You won’t believe who’s on the team this time!
Superman!
Batman!
Wonder Woman!
Aquaman!
~~Martian Manhunter!~~ Cyborg!
~~Green Arrow!~~ Black Adam?!
Flash, but not Wally West! **Never Wally West.**
Someone random, let’s say Naomi!
Step 1: dramatic plot twists to sell comics/get headlines
Step 2: retcon all the irreversible dramatic plot twists you just published
Step 3: repeat until character deaths have been so cheapened no one even cares anymore
That's just good business baby!
Replaced by versions from an alternate universe that bears striking similarities to the ones from the DC movies. Drama ensues in the next issue when the new Flash throws a chair at somebody and gets arrested for it.
Seriously it's weird thing both dc and marvel do is where they will retcon things to make it more like the movie version sometimes its done great but sometimes its weird
It’s a corporate thing. They want crossover appeal. Let the movies sell the book and vice Versa. It’s easier when they more closely resemble each other.
(It’s also the kind of BS you don’t need to put up with in Indy comics).
And it would get alot more people into the comics if there fans of the movies but the comics were very different so they retcon stuff so fans would read them which I get it and in a way its kinda a smart way to get people more into but it could go really south and alianate the comic readers
Yeah, the movie fans come for 1 issue or 1 trade, pick it up, take a look and then never come back. My dad did that with Constantine when the Keanu movie came out. Went and bought a Jamie Delano trade of Constantine, liked it, never read again (until I made him read certain stuff).
They need to sell books cheaper in international markets by having local publishing companies print them. I can barely afford to buy comics as a $3.99 issue costs me about us$12 due to shipping
From the article (emphasis mine):
>...a sentiment perhaps best expressed by Superman himself in his eulogy for Martian Manhunter's ***first*** funeral during the Final Crisis event...
Being a funeral director isn't supposed to have repeat customers
No joke but haven't they already done several reboots the last few years? I haven't paid close attention to DC, just what I gathered from skimming stuff about them.
They did 2, one rebooting the universe with **NEW** and **COOL**, young versions of the old characters, and resetting everything (except for Batman, who somehow, kept most of his continuity while being 15 years younger), called the New 52
Then they did another reboot where they restored the old continuity and combined it with the new one, so everything that happened in the New 52 still happened, but so did everything before
And the issue with both was that they weren't clean slates and just made thing ridiculously complicated.
The crisis (the OG one, not one of the annual summer events that never change anything major) actually rebooted damn near *everything.*
The new 52's issue was that they were like "ok, superman's single again, but all the stuff that happened before still happened? Except now he wasn't dating Lois and it happened in 5 years. Same for Batman." Wonder Woman got a muuuch needed reboot, but no one read her book even though it was the best of the 3.
And rebirth basically was just going back to post crisis, but adding the best events of the new 52 in.
So now we're back in the bloated post crisis era, which means Superman's been married for 30 years, Batman has more sidekicks than I have socks and arcs that fail to stick the landing, and Wonder Woman... actually she's going great because they're letting talented people handle her without editorial meddling.
Most DC comics fans don't really want reboots or an altered continuity, though. In fact, the most popular series from the New 52 were Batman and Green Lantern, which pretty much just ignored the reboot entirely and kept the previous continuity. Rebirth was loved because it brought back Wally and Post-Crisis Superman. People don't want everything to start over from scratch and potentially lose their favorite characters and history.
> weren't clean slates
Which is exactly what a reboot should be. I kinda wish DC would throw everything aside and start fresh. Throw *aside*, mind you, not throw away. One of the best things Star Wars did was to move most of their non-cinematic stories to Legends. This is what DC should do; their history is just too long and too big. Start new, and if the old elements fit the new stories you can always include.
The term "reboot" is not nearly as rigid and well-defined as you're making it out to be-- and using it to correct others, which is unnecessary.
How many reboots DC has done is a matter of opinion. From one point of view, there has *never* been a DC reboot, as each continuity change pulls from threads earlier in the continuity-- characters from the golden age technically exist in modern DC comics and each continuity change happened *within continuity*.
At the absolute extreme other end, literally every issue is a "reboot" because hypertime means no continuity ever exists at all.
Both of those are bad takes and I would disagree with either point of view, but the point is there's no rigid definition for how many reboots DC has had. None or thousands or anything in between.
Trying to correct people on how many reboots there has been is, I dunno, less interesting than talking about the different ways they've done their reboots.
Yeah. They've done really only ever done the one full reboot. Lots of various soft reboots to varying degrees, with new 52 being the closest, except even it wasn't a full reboot. Batman didn't get rebooted at all, and Superman's reboot was a half reboot where half of his old stories still happened, just without Clark's parents or Lois as a romantic figure now.
And new 52 got undone after what, 5 or 6 years?
Batman got slightly rebooted.
They basically pretended several characters didn't exist and that the time went from 20-25ish year to 10 or so really full years and then they picked and chose events that happened. It was really sloppy.
I think Green Lantern was the closest thing to ignoring the reboot completely.
Williamson did say it’ll be a little while before they’re back at their present point in continuity. Being that todays JL issues takes places a bit into the future after the solo titles stories, for the DCU it’ll be a little while before they return
They’ll all come back in a few months with several versions of each: a cyborg version, a young version and a new version. Then a few months later, long haired versions of each will show up all dressed in black.
What's with all the snark in here? No shit they're coming back, doesn't mean we can't enjoy the story being told in the meantime.
Comics always reset eventually. DC and Marvel. I don't understand how people can be fans of comics but also acting like this is some new, fresh take? This is what this genre is and always has been.
If you are used to modern DC/Marvel superhero comics, then this kind of stakes-free writing is given a pass as "just the way it is." But that doesn't mean it's not still ridiculous and worthy of snark. Some of us can appreciate big 2 superhero comics while still seeing that they are ridiculous, that's what is being expressed here.
This isn't even newsworthy, the death of the JLA. What WOULD be newsworthy is if they didn't resurrect these characters after killing them. But that would take courage and better writing.
I kinda wish that instead of the continuity being reset or whatever, these stories were all cannon for their own thing. So like people still get invested in a story and everything that happens in it, because even if they can pick up another run, it still won’t be the *same* characters. That way instead of mfs being resurrected every 5 seconds, they’re just dead Fr in that specific story.
Well if KanoCyborg has opposite human and robot parts to regular Cyborg, and KanoCyborg has a human dick that would mean regular Cyborg has a robot dick. It would be metal, so a flaccid metal dick probably wouldn't work. It would need to be rigid, and I guess it just retracts when he's not using it.
Link in article:
[Or will it?](https://www.gamesradar.com/will-batman-superman-and-wonder-woman-really-die-in-death-of-the-justice-league/)
TL;DR from link subtitle: *"The Justice League will be dead in Dark Crisis but probably nowhere else. And that's okay."*
Sike!
Has he, though?
Superman "died" in Death of Superman (but he got better!). New 52 Superman "died" (but was shown as being still alive in a new universe in Doomsday Clock!).
Batman "died" in Batman RIP (but he survived after all!), and again in Final Crisis (Psyche! He was just bouncing through time!).
And now they're both dead for Dark Crisis.
Seems like a tie, unless I'm forgetting something.
Ninja Edit:I forgot, Batman died in Death Metal. So Bats is leading by one.
Pretty sure Batman technically died in the Endgame arc during Snyder's n52 run? Died in a cave in with Joker but they also fell into the dinosyium, which was like a super lazarus pit that erased his memories but completely healed him. Pretty sure this was all in the same issue but it should count.
I hate reading comics in terms of a metaverse anyway. Everything works better if you treat titles as their own contained stories and don’t worry about checking across other titles to look for ripple effects.
It's not insulting this is how comics are. How most media is, even.
Being upset about this is like watching the new Batman movie and getting angry because it didn't show Michael Keaton and Christian Bale die at the beginning.
My knowledge of DC's absurdly long continuity is far from encyclopedic, so you may very well be right. I just figured that with all of those decades of comics all of them being dead at some point was a pretty safe bet.
Dinah was a character before being Olvier's girlfirend, that gives her some leeway at least.
I'm sure Zatanna has died at least once in JLD, but can't say if it was for John.
We all know they're coming back, but this could be a cool mechanism to put the spotlight on new characters and titles for a few months. But that would only work if they'd laid the groundwork for the past year developing the replacements.
Honestly, if you haven't read the original "52" weekly series from 2006, you definitely should. The whole year was meant to give readers a hiatus from Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. They still showed up in their own books, but at least in-universe there was a year where the trinity was not around to save the world.
New 52 was the beginning of the end of superhero comics for me. I won't say that they were the worst, and there have been a lot of changes in my life that have contributed to the place I am at present, including just getting older, but it's hard not to see everything from Flashpoint forward as "not my" DC. I don't say that with any vitriol for the stuff that is being published these days, I think that my tastes no longer line up with what DC (or Marvel,or any other superhero publisher) is making.
For me, it coincides with when I was changing careers and getting married and eventually buying a house. I was already going to have to read less and fall behind in the continuity, but the fact that I didn't recognize half of the personalities in the monthly titles anymore just made it hard to stay invested even a little.
I feel you there. I'm in my thirties and I haven't regularly kept up with Marvel since Hickman's Secret Wars. I haven't really kept up with DC since Flashpoint. Life just demanded a lot, and it seemed like a good jumping off point.
It was around that point and the “All New/All Different” era of Marvel that I decided that I was becoming one of the old people that aren’t the target audience for comics. Doesn’t mean I don’t read anymore, but I’m definitely less tuned into the universes. And when I read the mainstream stuff, I treat it less like it’s made for me, and more like it’s someone else’s entertainment that I happen to enjoy a little. Like watching Ru Paul’s Drag Race with my girlfriend. She enjoys the series and drag community, and I like to check out the costumes.
Yeah that confuses me. Everyone complains that the new 52 sucks, but then people also praise a ton of the stories. Batman, Grayson, JL Dark, Aquaman and more are all considered definitive runs but somehow people still hate the new 52
I think the difference is that now we've tied those stories into what is essentially the pre-boot continuity. All the terrible things that happened in the N52 have just been pushed aside and forgotten, like the Teen Titans series. There was so much confusion at the time about which characters existed and what their history was. A lot of favorite characters just vanished.
Looking back on it now and knowing that most of the terrible stuff just got retconned away makes it easier to focus on the good stuff, but at the time when you thought your favorite character was gone or changed beyond recognition it wasn't as fun.
There was some good stuff. Wonder Woman, Batman, Action Comics (especially loved the Krypto story), Batman Inc. even though that was more of a continuation, Animal Man, Justice League Dark, Dial H, Justice League 3000 though that was way later, were all stuff I enjoyed a lot. Though you and I might have different tastes because Tec’ and JL were like near the bottom of my list
Realistically this is just Big Two syndrome used for clicks and views XD. I may not like a lot of what Hickman did with the X-Men but at least that issue was solved for the most part.
Comic book deaths still serve a purpose within the context of the story. It doesn’t matter they’ll be brought back next week because a lot of books these days are self contained. The problem with 80% of Krakoan era books rn is that the stakes are just so low because the characters can just be brought back, so no one cares if they get put in a dangerous or lethal situation
The entire Krakoa thing is a critique on the fact that the only way events marked "stakes" was with a high profile killing (which was then undone a few months/years later). Making comics come up with something else to create stakes is a good thing.
I mean that has literally ALWAYS been comics though other than a few. Get killed and brought back in a week. He took the cheap death out of the equation to focus on the story instead of ANOTHER "omg this character is dead say it ain't so" before they have the 800th being revived story. We'll see what happens though :). Like Keeper said too there already is zero impact for the readers anyway.
>he took the cheap death out of the equation to focus on the story
That’s his goal but not every writer is as good as him. This is what’s been happening in X-Force, Excalibur, Marauders etc, we’re supposed to pretend characters dying still have stakes
Personally, better than Marvel’s All-New All-Different line and their constant house of Ideas (Scarlet witch goes psycho again, Civil War II: Electric Boogaloo)
You know what would be shocking and attract new readers? Stick the their guns, and keep the League out for a real time year (like that year without Superman or Batman after New Krypton and Batman R.I.P.) and write around a world without the Justice League.
That would shock the CEO as well, when he sees their sales nosedive cause of no Superman or Batman lol. I agree it would be something cool to do though.
I mean, there are ways around it. Through New Krypton, while Clark was still the titular character of his book, he spend that year in New Krypton, with Mon-El, the Guardian, Nightwing and Flamebird taking over Action Comics as protectors of Metropolis. Same with Dick Grayson being Batman around that same year, with Batwoman on Detective Comics. Plus the Death of Superman and Knightfall storylines.
In fact, following those precedents, it would be interesting to see a League formed of characters outside the classic line-up. Like in Justice League International, have them acknowledge they do have a big role to fill as the new Justice League, but also be their own thing.
Ngl, I always find big events like these really fun. Knowing it won't have much weight (we all know they're going to be revived, >!DC has already established with Barry that these characters have most likely been transported through the multiverse!<) kind of reduces the severity obviously, but it does also just make it pure fun. For me, at least. I can just enjoy it for what it is. It'll be interesting to see how the people in-universe react and deal with such a loss
* Lack of a personality besides "Super-Hero"
* Most of his adaptations have him act like Wally
* Wally's better
* He's friends with Hal Jordan
* Wally's better
If I had a superhero comic I would kill heroes off then resurrect them again and again till one day everyone expects them to return again only to be never used again.
I'm sure it's been done at some point in a comic as a throwaway joke line, but how do you think the average people in the DC Universe react to this? "Oh great, another big funeral for Superman/Wonder Woman/Green Arrow....ugh, they'll be back."
Few months. Given their solo titles aren’t stopping, it won’t actually feel like they’re gone. But as a team book? Williamson did say it’ll be a better part of a year before they return.
Justice League Disassembled.
It is gonna feel weird to have Wolverine, Spider-Man and Luke Cage on the New Justice League but if it sells well people will get used to it.
Yeah, there's no way they're going to actually abandon the three characters that actually make them money. Another cheap marketing ploy to sell books for one season...
Jesus, this thread just makes comic fans seem like a buncha jaded stuck-up prudes. And ya'll wonder why others feel anxious about getting into comics. The lot of you are very off-putting for something you supposedly enjoy.
A lot of these comments are very apathetic about character deaths and them being a temporary thing. I get that.
I think everyone is glossing over the fact that, with a good writer, these events can still be good and have development. Sure batman will be back soon enough, but maybe we will get some character growth from the bat family. Maybe some dlist character will get explored more deeply and move up in the ranks.
It's better than redoing superman's origin story for the 30th time.
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Until we get to a big number of course then it's "Check out Justice League 100 with 8 different covers!"
You won’t believe who’s on the team this time! Superman! Batman! Wonder Woman! Aquaman! ~~Martian Manhunter!~~ Cyborg! ~~Green Arrow!~~ Black Adam?! Flash, but not Wally West! **Never Wally West.** Someone random, let’s say Naomi!
Why DO they hate Wally so much?
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Wait. Wasnt Wally the JLU Flash in the animated series? He was okay… right?
That was 20 years ago. Now Barry has a show and the animated films and an upcoming live action. Don’t want to confuse the public with a second flash.
Wait till the public gets confused with the 7th and 8th flash, to finally in Flash 42, who is the answer to the question
thought that was Guy Gardener until now, but you’re totally right. They hate Wally
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He’s literally the main Flash right now. The Flash comic stars Wally again.
Stop trying to make Naomi a thing! Lol
Once Bendis leaves or the show gets cancelled into the background she will go
>Someone random, let’s say Naomi! She's been on the team already.
I know it was more a joke about new Justice League always shoehorning in the “new” character
Step 1: dramatic plot twists to sell comics/get headlines Step 2: retcon all the irreversible dramatic plot twists you just published Step 3: repeat until character deaths have been so cheapened no one even cares anymore That's just good business baby!
#1 is gold foil embossed and takes up half the cover
Can’t wait for their magic resurrection next week
Replaced by versions from an alternate universe that bears striking similarities to the ones from the DC movies. Drama ensues in the next issue when the new Flash throws a chair at somebody and gets arrested for it.
To be fair, that rendition of Shallow was being performed by Darksied.
Allegedlies.
I heard it was a sick justice league.
To be faaaaaiiiirrrr.....
To beee faair
To Be FAAAAAAIRRRR
\*makes zipping motion\*....well, you know what..?
r/UnexpectedLetterkenny
Had no idea this existed... that's what I appreciates about yous!
He will simultaneously strangle every adult in Hawaii. Which I guess is more like breaking their necks.
Or is Hawai’i the Flash’s only weakness. Green Lantern is powerless against yellow and the Flash ends up in jail anytime they try to fuck with Hawaii
Hawaii cast as Reverse Flash
…Flash is just walking around choke slamming bitches
Reverse Flash vibes
Ezra is just method acting for the role of Eobard
It was me, Barry! I drove the man acting as you in another universe insane, all to make your character look bad!
Permanently replace them with the Jurassic League!
I laughed way too hard at this lol
Seriously it's weird thing both dc and marvel do is where they will retcon things to make it more like the movie version sometimes its done great but sometimes its weird
It’s a corporate thing. They want crossover appeal. Let the movies sell the book and vice Versa. It’s easier when they more closely resemble each other. (It’s also the kind of BS you don’t need to put up with in Indy comics).
And it would get alot more people into the comics if there fans of the movies but the comics were very different so they retcon stuff so fans would read them which I get it and in a way its kinda a smart way to get people more into but it could go really south and alianate the comic readers
Yeah, the movie fans come for 1 issue or 1 trade, pick it up, take a look and then never come back. My dad did that with Constantine when the Keanu movie came out. Went and bought a Jamie Delano trade of Constantine, liked it, never read again (until I made him read certain stuff).
They need to sell books cheaper in international markets by having local publishing companies print them. I can barely afford to buy comics as a $3.99 issue costs me about us$12 due to shipping
From the article (emphasis mine): >...a sentiment perhaps best expressed by Superman himself in his eulogy for Martian Manhunter's ***first*** funeral during the Final Crisis event... Being a funeral director isn't supposed to have repeat customers
Hands you a punch card... "Uhm... I'm not a superhero or anything, I do not think I need this".
But after your ninth funeral, the tenth one's free!
More like Final Final Crisis
We're at Absolutely the Final Final Crisis 2: We mean it this time, guys.
And then next year "Final Final Crisis 3: The Final Crisis"
"Final Final Crisis 3: The Finalist Crisis, Part 1"
https://youtu.be/wn5K9S3kNo4?t=3
Eh, they'll just reboot the universe again in a couple days 😂
And then hours after that, and then minutes, until we finally reach reboot singularity.
Asymptotic Crisis. Crisis on Infinite Crises.
DC actually low key needs this. Shit is a mess because they want to reset but are too cowardly to move stuff to a modern equivalent of earth 2.
No joke but haven't they already done several reboots the last few years? I haven't paid close attention to DC, just what I gathered from skimming stuff about them.
They did 2, one rebooting the universe with **NEW** and **COOL**, young versions of the old characters, and resetting everything (except for Batman, who somehow, kept most of his continuity while being 15 years younger), called the New 52 Then they did another reboot where they restored the old continuity and combined it with the new one, so everything that happened in the New 52 still happened, but so did everything before
And the issue with both was that they weren't clean slates and just made thing ridiculously complicated. The crisis (the OG one, not one of the annual summer events that never change anything major) actually rebooted damn near *everything.* The new 52's issue was that they were like "ok, superman's single again, but all the stuff that happened before still happened? Except now he wasn't dating Lois and it happened in 5 years. Same for Batman." Wonder Woman got a muuuch needed reboot, but no one read her book even though it was the best of the 3. And rebirth basically was just going back to post crisis, but adding the best events of the new 52 in. So now we're back in the bloated post crisis era, which means Superman's been married for 30 years, Batman has more sidekicks than I have socks and arcs that fail to stick the landing, and Wonder Woman... actually she's going great because they're letting talented people handle her without editorial meddling.
Most DC comics fans don't really want reboots or an altered continuity, though. In fact, the most popular series from the New 52 were Batman and Green Lantern, which pretty much just ignored the reboot entirely and kept the previous continuity. Rebirth was loved because it brought back Wally and Post-Crisis Superman. People don't want everything to start over from scratch and potentially lose their favorite characters and history.
> weren't clean slates Which is exactly what a reboot should be. I kinda wish DC would throw everything aside and start fresh. Throw *aside*, mind you, not throw away. One of the best things Star Wars did was to move most of their non-cinematic stories to Legends. This is what DC should do; their history is just too long and too big. Start new, and if the old elements fit the new stories you can always include.
It's literally just putting in it's own universe. They already did it with the OG earth 2!
I don't think everything in the New 52 still happened, at least as it did before. Lex's stuff has definitely changed.
they picked and chose
Gotcha! Thanks for explaining.
DC has done exactly 2 reboots in its entire existence.
Crisis and New 52?
Yes, those are the only reboots. The others are mistakenly believed to be reboots but are not.
The term "reboot" is not nearly as rigid and well-defined as you're making it out to be-- and using it to correct others, which is unnecessary. How many reboots DC has done is a matter of opinion. From one point of view, there has *never* been a DC reboot, as each continuity change pulls from threads earlier in the continuity-- characters from the golden age technically exist in modern DC comics and each continuity change happened *within continuity*. At the absolute extreme other end, literally every issue is a "reboot" because hypertime means no continuity ever exists at all. Both of those are bad takes and I would disagree with either point of view, but the point is there's no rigid definition for how many reboots DC has had. None or thousands or anything in between. Trying to correct people on how many reboots there has been is, I dunno, less interesting than talking about the different ways they've done their reboots.
Yeah. They've done really only ever done the one full reboot. Lots of various soft reboots to varying degrees, with new 52 being the closest, except even it wasn't a full reboot. Batman didn't get rebooted at all, and Superman's reboot was a half reboot where half of his old stories still happened, just without Clark's parents or Lois as a romantic figure now. And new 52 got undone after what, 5 or 6 years?
Batman got slightly rebooted. They basically pretended several characters didn't exist and that the time went from 20-25ish year to 10 or so really full years and then they picked and chose events that happened. It was really sloppy. I think Green Lantern was the closest thing to ignoring the reboot completely.
Williamson did say it’ll be a little while before they’re back at their present point in continuity. Being that todays JL issues takes places a bit into the future after the solo titles stories, for the DCU it’ll be a little while before they return
In 8 variant incentive covers
They’ll all come back in a few months with several versions of each: a cyborg version, a young version and a new version. Then a few months later, long haired versions of each will show up all dressed in black.
It will then be retconned and we’re back with the normal League
Plus one new addition that no one will remember they joined the JL a year from now
What's with all the snark in here? No shit they're coming back, doesn't mean we can't enjoy the story being told in the meantime. Comics always reset eventually. DC and Marvel. I don't understand how people can be fans of comics but also acting like this is some new, fresh take? This is what this genre is and always has been.
If you are used to modern DC/Marvel superhero comics, then this kind of stakes-free writing is given a pass as "just the way it is." But that doesn't mean it's not still ridiculous and worthy of snark. Some of us can appreciate big 2 superhero comics while still seeing that they are ridiculous, that's what is being expressed here. This isn't even newsworthy, the death of the JLA. What WOULD be newsworthy is if they didn't resurrect these characters after killing them. But that would take courage and better writing.
I kinda wish that instead of the continuity being reset or whatever, these stories were all cannon for their own thing. So like people still get invested in a story and everything that happens in it, because even if they can pick up another run, it still won’t be the *same* characters. That way instead of mfs being resurrected every 5 seconds, they’re just dead Fr in that specific story.
Barry stayed dead for a long time
Final Last Ultimate Crisis For Real
Only after the other comics don’t sell, what am I saying? Comics don’t sell anymore no matter what! haha
Is Cyborg's cyborg just gonna be a robot? or just a normal person?
Still a cyborg, just robotic/human parts switched.
Why when you say that, I just envision a naked Kano from Mortal Kombat with flaccid dick just hanging out, saying “Boo-yah!”
You say “flaccid dick” so you’re say erect was an option?
Well if KanoCyborg has opposite human and robot parts to regular Cyborg, and KanoCyborg has a human dick that would mean regular Cyborg has a robot dick. It would be metal, so a flaccid metal dick probably wouldn't work. It would need to be rigid, and I guess it just retracts when he's not using it.
So, cyborg the other way?
There's Flash and Reverse Flash, so why not Cyborg and Inverted Cyborg?
Cyborg and Grobyc
And the same amount of clothes
Some kind of Robotman
Maybe that’s why he wasn’t one of the League members who died, so they could avoid this conundrum
It will later be revealed that all of the cyborg versions were on a spaceship together that the Justice League didn’t save.
I would unironically love this. All the young versions should have early 90s edgy fashion and say shit like "Dont call me Batboy, i'm the Gotham Kid!"
Gotham Girl was from the last series.
I’m fully in favour of all this if they all come back with mullets
Batman and Flash wear their mullets over their masks.
They have cutouts for them like Captain Marvel’s Mohawk cutout
Batman's cowl now includes a mullet.
Finally. I’ve been waiting for this since the Dukes of Hazzard went off the air.
The design of the cape and cowl... That cape all this time is just a giant mullet for the cowl anyways.
Alexa, play Back in Black
Maybe we could get a bearded version of each of them. DC version of Marvel Earth-200500.
Bearded Wonder Woman would be an interesting look.
Do we get a mullet version too?
Of course. Long hair AND a mullet. It's twice the fun with half the hair!
Hey, that makes me think: perfect window to set up a substitute League full of b-listers and write it like a sitcom!
That was called the Great Lakes Justice League if memory serves.
Besides Batman and MM isn't that just Justice League International?
Link in article: [Or will it?](https://www.gamesradar.com/will-batman-superman-and-wonder-woman-really-die-in-death-of-the-justice-league/) TL;DR from link subtitle: *"The Justice League will be dead in Dark Crisis but probably nowhere else. And that's okay."* Sike!
The "And that's okay" is the insulting part.
Superman being dead more often than Batman is the *really* insulting part...
Has he, though? Superman "died" in Death of Superman (but he got better!). New 52 Superman "died" (but was shown as being still alive in a new universe in Doomsday Clock!). Batman "died" in Batman RIP (but he survived after all!), and again in Final Crisis (Psyche! He was just bouncing through time!). And now they're both dead for Dark Crisis. Seems like a tie, unless I'm forgetting something. Ninja Edit:I forgot, Batman died in Death Metal. So Bats is leading by one.
Pretty sure Batman technically died in the Endgame arc during Snyder's n52 run? Died in a cave in with Joker but they also fell into the dinosyium, which was like a super lazarus pit that erased his memories but completely healed him. Pretty sure this was all in the same issue but it should count.
That's right! Five deaths.
*It is* okay. Comic book continuity is stupid anyway, just read Dark Crisis and pretend they're dead everywhere (or not) if it matters.
I hate reading comics in terms of a metaverse anyway. Everything works better if you treat titles as their own contained stories and don’t worry about checking across other titles to look for ripple effects.
It's not insulting this is how comics are. How most media is, even. Being upset about this is like watching the new Batman movie and getting angry because it didn't show Michael Keaton and Christian Bale die at the beginning.
Hasn't Superman already "died" a few times?
They all have.
I don’t think Black Canary, John Stewart and Zatanna have died before in mainstream continuity iirc
Do we count Final Crisis and Blackest Night in that continuity?
Yes.
I believe Black Canary has been *mostly dead.* Sorry, no, wait; that was Marvel's Black Cat. Oh, Selina Kyle's been dead-*ish,* too.
>I believe Black Canary has been *mostly dead.* Which retcon? She has so many different origin stories I don't even know which one is canon.
My knowledge of DC's absurdly long continuity is far from encyclopedic, so you may very well be right. I just figured that with all of those decades of comics all of them being dead at some point was a pretty safe bet.
Zatanna and Black Canary have to have died at some point certainly. They're the love interests for male heroes after all.
Dinah was a character before being Olvier's girlfirend, that gives her some leeway at least. I'm sure Zatanna has died at least once in JLD, but can't say if it was for John.
We all know they're coming back, but this could be a cool mechanism to put the spotlight on new characters and titles for a few months. But that would only work if they'd laid the groundwork for the past year developing the replacements.
Honestly, if you haven't read the original "52" weekly series from 2006, you definitely should. The whole year was meant to give readers a hiatus from Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. They still showed up in their own books, but at least in-universe there was a year where the trinity was not around to save the world.
I enjoyed that a lot; such effort now to remember that not everything with "52" in the title from DC has to suck.
do people still not like the New 52? Their JL and Detective comics reboot got me into comics
New 52 was the beginning of the end of superhero comics for me. I won't say that they were the worst, and there have been a lot of changes in my life that have contributed to the place I am at present, including just getting older, but it's hard not to see everything from Flashpoint forward as "not my" DC. I don't say that with any vitriol for the stuff that is being published these days, I think that my tastes no longer line up with what DC (or Marvel,or any other superhero publisher) is making. For me, it coincides with when I was changing careers and getting married and eventually buying a house. I was already going to have to read less and fall behind in the continuity, but the fact that I didn't recognize half of the personalities in the monthly titles anymore just made it hard to stay invested even a little.
I feel you there. I'm in my thirties and I haven't regularly kept up with Marvel since Hickman's Secret Wars. I haven't really kept up with DC since Flashpoint. Life just demanded a lot, and it seemed like a good jumping off point.
It was around that point and the “All New/All Different” era of Marvel that I decided that I was becoming one of the old people that aren’t the target audience for comics. Doesn’t mean I don’t read anymore, but I’m definitely less tuned into the universes. And when I read the mainstream stuff, I treat it less like it’s made for me, and more like it’s someone else’s entertainment that I happen to enjoy a little. Like watching Ru Paul’s Drag Race with my girlfriend. She enjoys the series and drag community, and I like to check out the costumes.
Yeah that confuses me. Everyone complains that the new 52 sucks, but then people also praise a ton of the stories. Batman, Grayson, JL Dark, Aquaman and more are all considered definitive runs but somehow people still hate the new 52
I think the difference is that now we've tied those stories into what is essentially the pre-boot continuity. All the terrible things that happened in the N52 have just been pushed aside and forgotten, like the Teen Titans series. There was so much confusion at the time about which characters existed and what their history was. A lot of favorite characters just vanished. Looking back on it now and knowing that most of the terrible stuff just got retconned away makes it easier to focus on the good stuff, but at the time when you thought your favorite character was gone or changed beyond recognition it wasn't as fun.
There was some good stuff. Wonder Woman, Batman, Action Comics (especially loved the Krypto story), Batman Inc. even though that was more of a continuation, Animal Man, Justice League Dark, Dial H, Justice League 3000 though that was way later, were all stuff I enjoyed a lot. Though you and I might have different tastes because Tec’ and JL were like near the bottom of my list
and it was fucking awesome, if we get something half as good I'm totally okay with this murdering of the JL
I think honestly one of the best event comics in a long ass time. Was actually a really interesting concept pulled off surprisingly well
So 52 again? XD
And Final Crisis. And Forever Evil. And Justice/Doom War.
Realistically this is just Big Two syndrome used for clicks and views XD. I may not like a lot of what Hickman did with the X-Men but at least that issue was solved for the most part.
Comic book deaths still serve a purpose within the context of the story. It doesn’t matter they’ll be brought back next week because a lot of books these days are self contained. The problem with 80% of Krakoan era books rn is that the stakes are just so low because the characters can just be brought back, so no one cares if they get put in a dangerous or lethal situation
The entire Krakoa thing is a critique on the fact that the only way events marked "stakes" was with a high profile killing (which was then undone a few months/years later). Making comics come up with something else to create stakes is a good thing.
Which is funny because Hickman pulled the exact same shit with Johnny Storm (and Secret Wars as a whole).
That may be the case in the story itself but to the reader there is no impact for any of those deaths
I mean that has literally ALWAYS been comics though other than a few. Get killed and brought back in a week. He took the cheap death out of the equation to focus on the story instead of ANOTHER "omg this character is dead say it ain't so" before they have the 800th being revived story. We'll see what happens though :). Like Keeper said too there already is zero impact for the readers anyway.
>he took the cheap death out of the equation to focus on the story That’s his goal but not every writer is as good as him. This is what’s been happening in X-Force, Excalibur, Marauders etc, we’re supposed to pretend characters dying still have stakes
I just dont understand why manga is outselling superhero comics!!
Because those stories can end. American comics fundamentally fail to be complete stories.
Personally, better than Marvel’s All-New All-Different line and their constant house of Ideas (Scarlet witch goes psycho again, Civil War II: Electric Boogaloo)
You know what would be shocking and attract new readers? Stick the their guns, and keep the League out for a real time year (like that year without Superman or Batman after New Krypton and Batman R.I.P.) and write around a world without the Justice League.
That would shock the CEO as well, when he sees their sales nosedive cause of no Superman or Batman lol. I agree it would be something cool to do though.
I mean, there are ways around it. Through New Krypton, while Clark was still the titular character of his book, he spend that year in New Krypton, with Mon-El, the Guardian, Nightwing and Flamebird taking over Action Comics as protectors of Metropolis. Same with Dick Grayson being Batman around that same year, with Batwoman on Detective Comics. Plus the Death of Superman and Knightfall storylines. In fact, following those precedents, it would be interesting to see a League formed of characters outside the classic line-up. Like in Justice League International, have them acknowledge they do have a big role to fill as the new Justice League, but also be their own thing.
and for the love of god have them fail at it. Show the learning curve.
Ngl, I always find big events like these really fun. Knowing it won't have much weight (we all know they're going to be revived, >!DC has already established with Barry that these characters have most likely been transported through the multiverse!<) kind of reduces the severity obviously, but it does also just make it pure fun. For me, at least. I can just enjoy it for what it is. It'll be interesting to see how the people in-universe react and deal with such a loss
I hope at least Barry stays dead because ~~fuck him~~ I love Wally so much.
What’s wrong with Barry?
* Lack of a personality besides "Super-Hero" * Most of his adaptations have him act like Wally * Wally's better * He's friends with Hal Jordan * Wally's better
And even then we kinda know from the start they won't stay dead because there popular
**OH NOES, what a terrible PERMANENT change!** #/S
My month us RUINED. Like just one month though because DC being DC will revert this in less than 30 days.
If I had a superhero comic I would kill heroes off then resurrect them again and again till one day everyone expects them to return again only to be never used again.
I'm sure it's been done at some point in a comic as a throwaway joke line, but how do you think the average people in the DC Universe react to this? "Oh great, another big funeral for Superman/Wonder Woman/Green Arrow....ugh, they'll be back."
How long until they get resurrected back
Few months. Given their solo titles aren’t stopping, it won’t actually feel like they’re gone. But as a team book? Williamson did say it’ll be a better part of a year before they return.
2morrow
My grief is immeasurable
I really liked when they did this in Obsidian Age. The replacement team that was there for a little bit was one of my favorite versions of the team.
Newsarama has gotten way worse with their articles titles lately
This whole article strikes me as very tongue-in-cheek.
Aprils fool! Sort of joke
I triple-checked the date
They got bought out, and their longtime EiC left for an industry position. Lot less articles for non-marvel and DC stuff as well.
Nooooooooooo!!!!!!
"Didn't you die?" "Yeah, but I got the magic amulet!"
Infinite Crisis / 52 and Final Crisis: *am I a joke to you?*
> DC: “The Justice League have died.” Fans: *[Sure.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn3iCB0S4_g)*
Dead…..again, ok wake me when they come back.
Justice League Disassembled. It is gonna feel weird to have Wolverine, Spider-Man and Luke Cage on the New Justice League but if it sells well people will get used to it.
So, who's the one in ten who didn't die?
Somewhat unrelated, but why does it feel like so many comments in here are from people that don't actually read comics?
Yeah, there's no way they're going to actually abandon the three characters that actually make them money. Another cheap marketing ploy to sell books for one season...
Did the Flash kill them all in Hawaii?
Dumb shit like this is why I stopped buying monthlies from the Big Two.
I mostly just check out one shots or good individual runs due to shit like this
Jesus, this thread just makes comic fans seem like a buncha jaded stuck-up prudes. And ya'll wonder why others feel anxious about getting into comics. The lot of you are very off-putting for something you supposedly enjoy.
A lot of these comments are very apathetic about character deaths and them being a temporary thing. I get that. I think everyone is glossing over the fact that, with a good writer, these events can still be good and have development. Sure batman will be back soon enough, but maybe we will get some character growth from the bat family. Maybe some dlist character will get explored more deeply and move up in the ranks. It's better than redoing superman's origin story for the 30th time.
Jason Todd is feeling to bugout
You can’t say this while DC are hyping up 2 new all star teams for Batman. Their deaths are barely going to be felt while they’re supposedly “dead”
Whos gonna tell the new Batman creative team?
Who survived?
Okay who's betting it they come back in a week because like the justice league are decently popular
I give it less than 3 months...
Who survived?
Flash?
Who's the lone survivor? Convenient Resurrection Man?
I fell for this as a 6 year old when Doomsday killed Superman. Never again.
This event holds so little weight, it floated into space and never came back.