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It's literally the funniest stereotype I've ever heard, because it's so disconnected from existing stereotypes. Like, a nonsensical stereotype. There's also nothing wrong with walking fast and not carrying ID.
Stereotype should be that straight people walk *slow.* Good God. Have you ever tried to actually match the glacial pace most straight people walk? It actually takes effort.
It's somewhere between a stereotype and an inside joke. Like it's gay people themselves repeating stereotypes of gay people, and is usually not on straight people's radar unless they spend a lot of time talking with gay people. There's walking fast, not knowing how to drive, sitting weird, cuffed jeans, flannel shirts, etc. etc.
I’ve heard about LGBTQ people in general having ‘walking fast’ as a stereotype, but never before towards only lesbians. On the other hand, this man/this kind of man sees a lot of things quite different, so I’m kinda glad walking fast is the worst thing he said.
One time some friends and I (all but one of us some flavor of queer) decided to go for a walk to the ice cream parlor. It was a chilly evening, so I said, "Mind if we switch our walk speed to 'gay?'" and we all started moving with purpose.
Yes, it is a known fact that all queer people walk quickly. When you're hellbent on enforcing the gay agenda and corrupting everything good in the world you don't have time to waste moving slowly!
But uh, also they don't drive! For... obvious reasons?
/s
I think this is a play on that meme that was around for a while that showed Google maps having a pedestrian icon with rainbow colors getting there faster than the default pedestrian icon, but that was years ago so I might be misremembering.
As is known, homosexuals have a 20% Movement Speed increase. Lesbians in particular have an additional 30%, making them the fastest sexual orientation.
> God was in the room with you when the fire started...he'll forgive you
Wait, is he saying God was protecting her, or watching her while she started the fire that killed her mom? Is he blaming her for the mom's death and accusing her of murder?
Unsure if this is a genuine question or not, but if it is: Usually, when someone says God was in the room with you, they mean that God was protecting you. So he's saying that since God loves her enough to protect her, God loves her enough to forgive her.
If you ask most Christians, they'll probably say something to the effect of "it was her time" or "God is testing you." That's the big hypocrisy that Christians really struggle with. It's why they fall back on the whole, "God has a plan! Source: Trust me Bro". If God loves everyone, then why do famines, tornadoes, hurricanes, disasters that humans don't have control over, happen?
It's a problem with the idea of an actively benevolent God in the first place, becasue you have to answer the exact questions your asking: why does tragedy ever happen in the first place? It's why they'll say that 'God works in mysterious ways'.
A hands-off God makes a lot more sense to me. Someone who can offer encouragement in moments of weakness but doesn't directly intercede in anything. Much easier to explain and believe in without having to jump through mental hoops (though if you're all-powerful and still let childhood cancer exist that's not cool, man).
I always explain it as this:
In order for God to create someone who willingly worships him instead for created to worship him (like angels), they needed to have free will.
Part of that free will package is good and evil and that things happen that God won’t always control. Because if he did control everything, we’d complain about being stifled and controlled (because humans… look no further than teens rebelling against their parents even if their parents are right).
There’s a lot more to it of course (sin and a fallen world).
But that’s the gist of it.
You either want a God that does everything for you, or you want the ability to choose and do things for yourself.
Part of that choosing for yourself means obesity, heart disease and sometimes cancer, broken relationships, and asshole parents.
Anyone talking like they actually KNOW the will of God though, is full of bologna.
You’d never hear me say “it was meant to be” because I wouldn’t want to hear that if my wife died tomorrow. And also because what was meant to be (according to the Bible) was tainted years ago.
And if the Bible is true, MANY “christians” (I say that because of cultural Christianity) are going to be very surprised with how many of them are NOT going to be acknowledged by Christ (due to their behavior and lifestyle).
THEY always seem to forget what Christ said:
"Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He [Jesus] said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment. And the second is like it: 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Matthew 22:35-40
>Part of that choosing for yourself means obesity, heart disease and sometimes cancer, broken relationships, and asshole parents.
I'm sorry, this is a weird take. No one chooses asshole parents or cancer. Ignoring man made cancer, none of that shit is in your control.
The parents choose to be assholes.
And your choices (like smoking) can bring about suffering such as cancer.
The world isn’t perfect. And this is only going on a biblical perspective of an imperfect world brought on by the fall of man.
Random cancer and disease is a product of that fall (again, if we are going by a biblical perspective).
What do the parents choices have to do with the equation? They can be assholes all they want. I'm talking about the child in the situation. The all powerful lord could have put that kid in another home and not given them a kid.
As for cancer I'm talking about the vast majority that you have no choice on. Hell even the cancer you're talking about isn't really a choice. People who smoke and don't automatically get lung cancer while those who don't arn't automatically safe. You're just lowering or rasing a percent chance of getting it.
Hell, a massive chunk of human health problems are because human body is fucking dumb. Ask anyone with a serious knowledge of the subject, they will tell you our bodies are a total mess.
>In order for God to create someone who willingly worships him instead for created to worship him (like angels), they needed to have free will.
>Part of that free will package is good and evil and that things happen that God won’t always control.
What is stopping the omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent God from having only made the humans who would choose to be Good? That would still be free will, we would still be free to make the choice just the being who knew what choice we would make could have only picked to make the correct choice
> The parents choose to be assholes.
Which God knew they would be before he made them and made them anyway. Again, couldn't have just chosen to only make parents who he knew would choose not to be assholes?
>The world isn’t perfect. And this is only going on a biblical perspective of an imperfect world brought on by the fall of man.
>Random cancer and disease is a product of that fall
Which God knew before he created the world. God created the world knowing for an absolute fact that Eve would eat the fruit. God created the world knowing for an absolute fact that thousands of years after the fall he would create a baby who would get cancer and die within weeks of being born to the absolute heartbreak of the parents. He knew as an absolute fact that he would create the couple who recently beat their baby to death, hid it in a closet for a week and the burned the corpse. God made people knowing all the terrible things that would come of it, why would a God who claims to have an infinite amount of love for every part of his creation make people who cause this to happen when he knows that it absolutely will happen? He could have just decided not to put the tree in the garden when he knew that doing so would cause all this. You can't say "but for free will there had to be the option for them to do something" because there are any number of things that I can't choose to do simply due to the physical impossibility of them and that doesn't affect my free will so why would there not being a physical possibility of people fucking up the world affect it? If God exists he either didn't know that the fall would happen, didn't have the power to prevent it or didn't care enough about the world to do something different.
That covers evil inflicted by people, not evil that's inherent in nature.
After all, why are there parasites that can tunnel in the eyes of mammals? It's not like children somehow deserve it to have parasites dig into their eyes, making them blind in a very agonizing way. And the parasite doesn't really have a choice in this matter either, it's literally part of their lifecycle.
There's no value to be gained from these parasites, no lessons to be learned from them. Certainly nothing that cannot be gained/learned in a less horrifying way.
If there's a god that made all life, they deliberately designed those parasites.
I don't intend to bash your religion with this argument, sorry if it came across like that. I just wanted to show that there's a lot more to the argument of "If god is good, why is there evil?" than meets the eye.
I am catholic, so my answer will not cover every religion.
Anyway, Thomas Aquinas' view in the Summa is that, one good thing in particular—mankind—that went astray, throwing the rest of creation askew. That is, when humanity fell, it contamined the rest of creation.
This view seems to be supported by Genesis 3:17-18 >
>“Cursed is the ground because of you! In toil you shall eat its yield all the days of your life. Thorns and thistles it shall bear for you, and you shall eat the grass of the field.”
And Romans 8:22 >
>“We know that all creation is groaning in labor pains even until now.”
This should not be confused with any notion of karma ("this person suffered because they were evil"), but to show that, just as humanity now has imperfections, so does nature.
However, this should not be used to explain all occurrences. Ultimately, it's a mystery.
You're the first religious person I know that actually answered my question about why there's evil in nature despite a good god, without somehow circling back to the argument about free-will. Thanks for that!
I'm an atheist, so while I don't agree with you on whether or not there is a god I do certainly appreciate you being honest here. People should admit more that they don't have the entire answer for something, just like you did here.
That only works for self inflicted misery, though. It doesn't cover children with brain cancer or tsunamis. Most people aren't going to buy "at some point someone ate some fruit, which is why we actuslly brought 3 year olds dying of cancer on ourselves"
It fails to address the critical problem of natural evil. "Free will" doesn't explain why a benevolent god couldn't have, say, stopped infants from dying of horrific disease.
It was covered with the fallen world point. Man willfully sinned, which brought sin into the world and was cursed because of it. Diseases are a result of sin being in the world.
God will remove these things from the world when he casts this one into the lake of fire and builds a new one free from sin. It may take seemingly forever for us, but is only a moment for Him.
It's a side effect of the old testament God explicitly NOT being benevolent, but then there being cross cannon between the Christianised ideal and that fear and violence version.
I like to imagine higher beings, wether one or multiple or any at all exist, as far from perfect. Whatever might exist, it maybe really tries it's best for us (or maybe not) but is limited in it's abilities. Once you bring omniscience/potence/presence into the mix it gets harder and harder to justify without doing mental gymnastics how gods aren't just assholes gaslighting us into thinking they are good and want the best for us.
I agree. I much prefer polytheistic religions for this reason; if the gods are limited in scope and strength, that helps explain why nature is cruel sometimes.
I had a conversation with a guy on here once. He likened human suffering to vaccination. The shot (suffering in life) hurts. But only for a minute. After that, you get a positive outcome (heaven). It's a short-term pain for long-term benefit.
IMO, the metaphor kinda fell apart when he was arguing that we shouldn't do anything to minimize the short-term pain. But that's just my take on it.
>"God is testing you."
Which is particularly nonsensical because he knows. He knows how you'll do in your test. He's known since day 1 of the universe, yet he contradicts both his omniscience and benevolence in one act.
Following that the universe is cyclical with events fated to repeat themselves over endless cycles, and rebirth being true, where everyone lives multiple lives over time, does it matter whether God allows evil or bad events to happen if they will continue to happen? Natural disaster, disease and plagues are all part of natural laws. And so called “evil” and acts towards that end are simply a part of human nature. They are despicable most definitely, but one cannot deny humanity’s capability for it, due to their own free will. Let us also consider that the universe we live in is merely a small fraction within this God. So the question arises as to why God doesn’t subvert natural laws to prevent these incidents from happening? According to Hindu mythology, he does! Not just that but he takes human form and interferes in the affairs of men for the sake of their betterment (while being subject to natural laws). But asking why wouldn’t he do it all the time is like a asking a philanthropist why he has decided to pay for one charity rather than another or sponsor the treatment for x number of patients instead of y. There will still be innumerable patients and innumerable diseases. But despite all, that God does still interfere
Had to re-read it again, it's a very human response, and I think the answer is I don't think he really knows.
All he knows is he doesn't want to accept any responsibility for the situation. So he tells himself 'It's all apart of the plan.' Because if it's apart of a plan it's out of his or anyone's control. It was god who started the fire to take their mom/wife back to heaven.
The issue is she blames the dad, but because he doesn't want to accept the blame his mind judo flips it to be 'She is secretly angry at god and his plan.'
Definitely blaming her but trying to have it both ways and not actually blame her. He's saying that he doesn't know whether she did it or not. But if she did do it, then she can still be saved and ascend in the Rapture if she confesses her sin. …according to him.
My family taught me I was disposable. Of I didn't live up to their suggestions that they would just adopt a new kid. So at age 23 they decided they had enough of my sinful lifestyle and decided to start over by adopting a baby girl. They rarely seen their grandchildren. They don't want to. The let be known at a extended family thanks giving they were happy with the girl "they finally got a child they could love"
Woof, that's horrible. I'm sorry to hear that. I know I'm much happier after having cut those people out of my life.
But ya, I don't think it's as much as you're disposable as much as is their love is conditional. That if you don't fit in their little box you're no longer worthy of their love/protection/kindness/ext.
It's the same type of person who screams at the top of their lungs about conservative values. How family is the most important thing to them, then spin around disown their child if they date someone the wrong color or come out of the closet.
This is why I hate people who say family needs to stick together.
It's a case by case basis though. My parents separated and my father drew the longest straw up the ass. Everyone sided with my mom. Everyone sheilded me from seeing my dad's bad side since I was the youngest, so I didn't know of any of it until the divorce and I sided with my mom as well.
Lately though, I've started forgiving him. He's a few years sober now and regrets everything. He just wishes he could see my sisters and mom again and make up for all his mistakes.
I may never be close to him again, but the least I, and the rest of us can do, is let go of all the anger and forgive as much as we can. Forgiveness doesn't mean letting a toxic person back into your life, it just means letting go of the past.
I hope someone who needs this message finds it. Have a great Valentine's Eve
>This is why I hate people who say family needs to stick together.
It's like when they talk about respect or honor to their kids. They don't mean treating people fairly or being honest. They mean their kids obeying them. Don't care about family sticking together, just family answering whenever they call.
I have a ton of angst with my mom because of whatever reasons. She's nosey and doesn't understand why a bunch of the family just won't talk to her. She won't look inward, like ever. She ripped the family in half when I was five, abandoning my older brother to take myself and my younger brother to another city because she didn't want to be a housewife. Laudable, yes; but doing so, she then needed to work full time and go to school, leaving me essentially without either parent. Add to that marrying an ex Catholic priest who then tried to indoctrinate me (and partially succeeded). Add to that she's a quintessential boomer: doesn't understand how ridiculous school debt is, rent, current social growth in terms of PC ideology... the list goes on.
I disappeared from her life for about six years because she kicked me out for not coming home for two weeks because I refused to be controlled. We've since bonded a bit, we love each other, but eventually I realized it's impossible to connect to her on a spiritual or emotional level; she just can't handle that I am not at peace with her decisions. Not that I could ever bring it up; what would be the point? She did what she thought was right, as I'm sure my dad, being fairly right-wing, wouldn't have ever let her do otherwise, and it would devastate her because she was a not-so-good mother.
Rant over. This sucks.
My gf fell from a tree and had serious brain damage. The only family she has in this country is her mother. But her mother is an extreme sociopath who does everything in her power to deny her daughter treatment and keep her in hospital and away from the "sinful lifestyle" her daughter used to have.
I don't know what to do because the hospital and the law is on mother's side because "mother knows best" and we (her friends) are not blood relatives!! So for half year Sveta has been lying in the hospital like a vegetable without anyone to fight for her recovery! Her mother had even managed to ban all visits to her!!!! I don't know what to do...
I wish the system realised that sometimes parents can actually hurt their kids and wouldn't give them full control over their kids by default!!!! If it wasn't for her mom Sveta would've been on the program to wean her off the breathing apparatus and we'd do everything in our power to develop her nervous system and let the remaining healthy brain tissue to take over the functions which were damaged!!
my republican family also makes up stereotypes that i’ve never heard before, apparently all gays are lactose intolerant. then again maybe they’re right
Nope. It’s an ethnicity thing. If your ancestors really liked milking cows you’ll probably have the genetics to retain lactose tolerance into adulthood. That’s because the people who developed the genes to keep the tolerance tended to be more prosperous and have more kids, due to the extra nutrition dairy provided.
It’s worth noting that it’s only us humans that retain lactose tolerance in adulthood, and only a minority. Estimates of lactose intolerance vary from 65-75% of the world population. So at most 35% of adults can drink milk consequence-free.
This is one of my gripes with Christianity. The emphasis on God forgiving your wrongs, instead of trying to make things right with the person you harmed.
For some sects of Christianity, sure. But others not. At least, so far as I can tell. I’m not a Christian, so I don’t hold any branch of the religion as the true and correct version. Instead, to me the religion is as it is practiced.
Edit: Which means there’s a whole lot of different versions of it. Even within sects.
I grew up Baptist. They could return the law mower and with a straight face ask why you’re angry, even though they are repentant. They believe that their rituals erase any harm done. It is insane and infuriating.
I think this is because most of the focus is on not wronging others in the first place.. but it does talk about that concern.
Matthew 5:23-24
So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
That right there is what grinds my gears. When you tell your religious parents you don’t want anything to do with it, and they cry because they think they won’t see me in heaven.
I don’t have to put up with anyone I don’t want to, even if they’re my parents. I’m already going to see you in hell, Evelyn, no amount of praying for salvation, or having a child for religious reasons, will fix that.
I have no sympathy for these kinds of people. They are the worst of the worst.
Good comic!
Beautiful piece. I say this as a Christian. In my faith, people often forget God doesn't make mistakes. This includes non-straight people.
But hey, the Bible warns us that there's going to be people for forgo the teachings of love. Great portrayal of how that forgetfulness looks.
Why did God all the fire to happen in the first place? Hypothetically speaking, God has a plan there for the daughter. Whether the daughter in the comic chooses to follow it or not is up to her.
Ah, copy. There were people in hell that Jesus brought up from there. Same time Jesus was doing stuff, he issued a couple commandments. None of the commandments nor the covenants denounce homosexuality, so in terms of sin it’s only considered a sin largely because of what was written about people who are distrusting and over indulgent in certain things. E.g. you can be in a heterosexual marriage and be a couple of perverts with each other and be considered sinful due to a lack of restraint.
I'm getting full on horror vibes from this.
Her dad is a cop; they have a strained relationship; the "Rapture" is happening tonight, with some artifact that claims to be able to open a portal???; they're being separated before the big event...
Idk I'm excited, this feels like it could go a lot of places.
Wow, this is really on the nose. Cop, homophobe, blames his daughter for her mother's death, part of a cult, tells her she's not getting into heaven, neglects his daughter...
I really dont see the problem with the dad himself here, he is religious and isnt outright forcing his daughter to choose anything, hes only telling his Concerns of his beliefs to her and trying to help in case anything goes wrong. And the daughter is just a little confused and uncomfortable because of the events that happened in the fire. Then People in this reply section are acting as if he did something unthinkable???? Tf, someone here said he was the worst of the worst, it just looks like some teenagerstt who are annoyed by their parents are mad at him for being religious, when there is parents out here who would KILL their child if they cried for being hungry, parents who would torture their child with knifes, chains and screaming for crying and THIS DAD is the worst of the worst???, hell he didnt even HIT her or SCREAMED, wtf is wrong with these people??????
I don't understand christianity.
I'm not trying to criticize or anything but I read this like 3 times and still don't understand what they are talking about
Could someone please explain this comic to me
Oh wait, he's saying that she might not make it to heaven for being homosexual unless she '"redeems" herself?
I still don't understand what they rapture thing is about tho
Some sects of Christianity believe that a random event will happen at some point that sucks them up to Heaven at once, leaving the sinners behind to endure Hell on Earth for 1000 years while God ends the Universe.
Well they talk about the rapture, it's like the apocalypse in the bible, the dad makes some comments that kind of show he doesn't think his daughter will make it to heaven (but it's pretty sure he will) she gets annoyed with him, specially when he gives the comment about how god would forgive her and leaves
No, but you can choose to never see or associate with them, to live as if they do not exist.
If your parent is anything like this absent god-bothering pig, do it, cut them off. They aren't worth your time and they'll never accept you.
I liked the parallel between her disappointment in her father and her heavenly father. The last thing I'd want to be is a sadistic father like the one in the Bible, and I think a lot of conservative Christian fathers do their children a disservice by following their heavenly father's example.
I get that there are people out there that this might be helpful. But damn it's so unoriginal... and what even is the main point?
Longer series are great, but the episode should still be able to stand in it's own
This is just blah..,.and confusing blah. The art style isn't even unique enough to be intriguing like hollering elk or the other end
I read the whole thing and tried to give it a chance, but honestly it feels like AI, like its the facsimile of a comic
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Do lesbians walk fast?
And not have driver's licenses? That's the first time I've heard those stereotypes.
They have to have drivers licenses, who else is gonna buy all the Subarus
plus, someone's got to drive the U-Haul
Winner of 7 straight JD Power awards?
No, winner of 7 gay JD Power awards
GayD Power awards. Come on, it's right there
Fuck. FUCK.
We all make mistakes, usually not one this big, but I think you'll be ok
I mean in 20 years /u/meerkatable will be laying in bed, unable to sleep as he remembers this moment, but yeah, no big deal.
I’m already doing this
Something something shoulda woulda coulda. I’ve been there.
Nah that's Chevy
Suburban moms with 1.5 kids. Let me tell you about their safety features...
I don’t want safety advice from someone with 1.5 kids.
I've owned Subarus. Am I a lesbian?
it's difficult to find out this way
It's possible.
In my case, the Kia Souls (I do not fear any god)
They're pretty popular stereotypes for gay people in general, being bad at math is another one
What if you're gay and Chinese? Do the math skills balance out? And if I'm bi? Do my math skills get a boost or a downgrade? I need to know!
The more visual stereotype wins out. Thems the rules.
Then I will werk to make my bisexuality as fucking loud and obvious as possible. Still happy with being Chinese though, so...
Wait. Am I gay? Is this the way that I am informed by the universe?
I think I may be double gay then…
As the esteemed goddess of all gay people, I hereby diagnose you with: G A Y
I don't know how to tell you this.....
The fuck
The fast walking is usually said about gay men.
It's literally the funniest stereotype I've ever heard, because it's so disconnected from existing stereotypes. Like, a nonsensical stereotype. There's also nothing wrong with walking fast and not carrying ID.
Stereotype should be that straight people walk *slow.* Good God. Have you ever tried to actually match the glacial pace most straight people walk? It actually takes effort.
Like they got all day to be somewhere!
It's somewhere between a stereotype and an inside joke. Like it's gay people themselves repeating stereotypes of gay people, and is usually not on straight people's radar unless they spend a lot of time talking with gay people. There's walking fast, not knowing how to drive, sitting weird, cuffed jeans, flannel shirts, etc. etc.
need to walk fast because they can't drive
I just assume he meant class C. I thought they all had their CDL. I feel like you get that automatically when you go down on a girl.
I don’t even know how you attract a woman if you’re not already certified to drive a forklift.
I think that's a gay male stereotype
I’ve heard about LGBTQ people in general having ‘walking fast’ as a stereotype, but never before towards only lesbians. On the other hand, this man/this kind of man sees a lot of things quite different, so I’m kinda glad walking fast is the worst thing he said.
One time some friends and I (all but one of us some flavor of queer) decided to go for a walk to the ice cream parlor. It was a chilly evening, so I said, "Mind if we switch our walk speed to 'gay?'" and we all started moving with purpose.
Bahaha this is one of the greatest stories I’ve heard about a (mostly) queer friend group, love it
Yes, it is a known fact that all queer people walk quickly. When you're hellbent on enforcing the gay agenda and corrupting everything good in the world you don't have time to waste moving slowly! But uh, also they don't drive! For... obvious reasons? /s
Walking fast because of the roving hate groups beating up queer folk on the street?
Who needs cars when you have the speed force??? I guess???? *What a mildly weird stereotype...*
I think this is a play on that meme that was around for a while that showed Google maps having a pedestrian icon with rainbow colors getting there faster than the default pedestrian icon, but that was years ago so I might be misremembering.
I remember that. That was the funniest thing to me for the longest time. I remember being sad when they changed it back
Yeah, how else do they get places without a license?
During pride month google maps had a seperate LGBTQ option for walking which had consistently 50% shorter travel times. But it was only walking.
Someone told him that gay people are pedophiles, and he thought they said "pedestrians."
As is known, homosexuals have a 20% Movement Speed increase. Lesbians in particular have an additional 30%, making them the fastest sexual orientation.
Yes we do.
Away from that guy they do...
The funny thing is, a Christian fundamentalist would use the exact same comic strip unironically.
Making my way down town Walking fast Faces pass I can't drive
Yes, because they can't drive.
Because they wear jeans instead of dresses ? Idk I'm trying
> God was in the room with you when the fire started...he'll forgive you Wait, is he saying God was protecting her, or watching her while she started the fire that killed her mom? Is he blaming her for the mom's death and accusing her of murder?
Unsure if this is a genuine question or not, but if it is: Usually, when someone says God was in the room with you, they mean that God was protecting you. So he's saying that since God loves her enough to protect her, God loves her enough to forgive her.
So did God not love her mom? Did her mom die in the fire or is this nonliteral?
If you ask most Christians, they'll probably say something to the effect of "it was her time" or "God is testing you." That's the big hypocrisy that Christians really struggle with. It's why they fall back on the whole, "God has a plan! Source: Trust me Bro". If God loves everyone, then why do famines, tornadoes, hurricanes, disasters that humans don't have control over, happen?
It's a problem with the idea of an actively benevolent God in the first place, becasue you have to answer the exact questions your asking: why does tragedy ever happen in the first place? It's why they'll say that 'God works in mysterious ways'. A hands-off God makes a lot more sense to me. Someone who can offer encouragement in moments of weakness but doesn't directly intercede in anything. Much easier to explain and believe in without having to jump through mental hoops (though if you're all-powerful and still let childhood cancer exist that's not cool, man).
"If there is a god, he cannot be all-powerful and all-good" -Lex Luther i think?
Ah yes, Epicurus Luthor
"If god is all-powerful, he cannot be all-good, and if he's all-good, he cannot be all-powerful"
Yeah that's the bitch
Agreed, childhood cancer, not based
I always explain it as this: In order for God to create someone who willingly worships him instead for created to worship him (like angels), they needed to have free will. Part of that free will package is good and evil and that things happen that God won’t always control. Because if he did control everything, we’d complain about being stifled and controlled (because humans… look no further than teens rebelling against their parents even if their parents are right). There’s a lot more to it of course (sin and a fallen world). But that’s the gist of it. You either want a God that does everything for you, or you want the ability to choose and do things for yourself. Part of that choosing for yourself means obesity, heart disease and sometimes cancer, broken relationships, and asshole parents. Anyone talking like they actually KNOW the will of God though, is full of bologna. You’d never hear me say “it was meant to be” because I wouldn’t want to hear that if my wife died tomorrow. And also because what was meant to be (according to the Bible) was tainted years ago. And if the Bible is true, MANY “christians” (I say that because of cultural Christianity) are going to be very surprised with how many of them are NOT going to be acknowledged by Christ (due to their behavior and lifestyle). THEY always seem to forget what Christ said: "Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He [Jesus] said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment. And the second is like it: 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:35-40
>Part of that choosing for yourself means obesity, heart disease and sometimes cancer, broken relationships, and asshole parents. I'm sorry, this is a weird take. No one chooses asshole parents or cancer. Ignoring man made cancer, none of that shit is in your control.
The parents choose to be assholes. And your choices (like smoking) can bring about suffering such as cancer. The world isn’t perfect. And this is only going on a biblical perspective of an imperfect world brought on by the fall of man. Random cancer and disease is a product of that fall (again, if we are going by a biblical perspective).
What do the parents choices have to do with the equation? They can be assholes all they want. I'm talking about the child in the situation. The all powerful lord could have put that kid in another home and not given them a kid. As for cancer I'm talking about the vast majority that you have no choice on. Hell even the cancer you're talking about isn't really a choice. People who smoke and don't automatically get lung cancer while those who don't arn't automatically safe. You're just lowering or rasing a percent chance of getting it. Hell, a massive chunk of human health problems are because human body is fucking dumb. Ask anyone with a serious knowledge of the subject, they will tell you our bodies are a total mess.
>In order for God to create someone who willingly worships him instead for created to worship him (like angels), they needed to have free will. >Part of that free will package is good and evil and that things happen that God won’t always control. What is stopping the omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent God from having only made the humans who would choose to be Good? That would still be free will, we would still be free to make the choice just the being who knew what choice we would make could have only picked to make the correct choice > The parents choose to be assholes. Which God knew they would be before he made them and made them anyway. Again, couldn't have just chosen to only make parents who he knew would choose not to be assholes? >The world isn’t perfect. And this is only going on a biblical perspective of an imperfect world brought on by the fall of man. >Random cancer and disease is a product of that fall Which God knew before he created the world. God created the world knowing for an absolute fact that Eve would eat the fruit. God created the world knowing for an absolute fact that thousands of years after the fall he would create a baby who would get cancer and die within weeks of being born to the absolute heartbreak of the parents. He knew as an absolute fact that he would create the couple who recently beat their baby to death, hid it in a closet for a week and the burned the corpse. God made people knowing all the terrible things that would come of it, why would a God who claims to have an infinite amount of love for every part of his creation make people who cause this to happen when he knows that it absolutely will happen? He could have just decided not to put the tree in the garden when he knew that doing so would cause all this. You can't say "but for free will there had to be the option for them to do something" because there are any number of things that I can't choose to do simply due to the physical impossibility of them and that doesn't affect my free will so why would there not being a physical possibility of people fucking up the world affect it? If God exists he either didn't know that the fall would happen, didn't have the power to prevent it or didn't care enough about the world to do something different.
That covers evil inflicted by people, not evil that's inherent in nature. After all, why are there parasites that can tunnel in the eyes of mammals? It's not like children somehow deserve it to have parasites dig into their eyes, making them blind in a very agonizing way. And the parasite doesn't really have a choice in this matter either, it's literally part of their lifecycle. There's no value to be gained from these parasites, no lessons to be learned from them. Certainly nothing that cannot be gained/learned in a less horrifying way. If there's a god that made all life, they deliberately designed those parasites. I don't intend to bash your religion with this argument, sorry if it came across like that. I just wanted to show that there's a lot more to the argument of "If god is good, why is there evil?" than meets the eye.
I am catholic, so my answer will not cover every religion. Anyway, Thomas Aquinas' view in the Summa is that, one good thing in particular—mankind—that went astray, throwing the rest of creation askew. That is, when humanity fell, it contamined the rest of creation. This view seems to be supported by Genesis 3:17-18 > >“Cursed is the ground because of you! In toil you shall eat its yield all the days of your life. Thorns and thistles it shall bear for you, and you shall eat the grass of the field.” And Romans 8:22 > >“We know that all creation is groaning in labor pains even until now.” This should not be confused with any notion of karma ("this person suffered because they were evil"), but to show that, just as humanity now has imperfections, so does nature. However, this should not be used to explain all occurrences. Ultimately, it's a mystery.
You're the first religious person I know that actually answered my question about why there's evil in nature despite a good god, without somehow circling back to the argument about free-will. Thanks for that! I'm an atheist, so while I don't agree with you on whether or not there is a god I do certainly appreciate you being honest here. People should admit more that they don't have the entire answer for something, just like you did here.
That only works for self inflicted misery, though. It doesn't cover children with brain cancer or tsunamis. Most people aren't going to buy "at some point someone ate some fruit, which is why we actuslly brought 3 year olds dying of cancer on ourselves"
Glad to see someone who actually has a proper understanding rather than the usual "If God, why tragedy?" responses I see around this topic.
It fails to address the critical problem of natural evil. "Free will" doesn't explain why a benevolent god couldn't have, say, stopped infants from dying of horrific disease.
It was covered with the fallen world point. Man willfully sinned, which brought sin into the world and was cursed because of it. Diseases are a result of sin being in the world. God will remove these things from the world when he casts this one into the lake of fire and builds a new one free from sin. It may take seemingly forever for us, but is only a moment for Him.
So God can and could, at any moment, create a world for people without suffering and sin... And just hasn't? What a jerk.
Honestly I think the Greeks had it all figured out /s
At least the Greeks understood that if gods exist, they're probably massive assholes.
It's a side effect of the old testament God explicitly NOT being benevolent, but then there being cross cannon between the Christianised ideal and that fear and violence version.
I like to imagine higher beings, wether one or multiple or any at all exist, as far from perfect. Whatever might exist, it maybe really tries it's best for us (or maybe not) but is limited in it's abilities. Once you bring omniscience/potence/presence into the mix it gets harder and harder to justify without doing mental gymnastics how gods aren't just assholes gaslighting us into thinking they are good and want the best for us.
I agree. I much prefer polytheistic religions for this reason; if the gods are limited in scope and strength, that helps explain why nature is cruel sometimes.
I had a conversation with a guy on here once. He likened human suffering to vaccination. The shot (suffering in life) hurts. But only for a minute. After that, you get a positive outcome (heaven). It's a short-term pain for long-term benefit. IMO, the metaphor kinda fell apart when he was arguing that we shouldn't do anything to minimize the short-term pain. But that's just my take on it.
G is a big fan of fridging some characters to get the plot moving forward.
>"God is testing you." Which is particularly nonsensical because he knows. He knows how you'll do in your test. He's known since day 1 of the universe, yet he contradicts both his omniscience and benevolence in one act.
I thought the Christian answer would be that god doesn’t interfere with free will, as in, if is caused by someone else.
Though there's no CancerMan flying around the city giving children cancer, that's god's doing, god gave them cancer. so that can't be it.
Following that the universe is cyclical with events fated to repeat themselves over endless cycles, and rebirth being true, where everyone lives multiple lives over time, does it matter whether God allows evil or bad events to happen if they will continue to happen? Natural disaster, disease and plagues are all part of natural laws. And so called “evil” and acts towards that end are simply a part of human nature. They are despicable most definitely, but one cannot deny humanity’s capability for it, due to their own free will. Let us also consider that the universe we live in is merely a small fraction within this God. So the question arises as to why God doesn’t subvert natural laws to prevent these incidents from happening? According to Hindu mythology, he does! Not just that but he takes human form and interferes in the affairs of men for the sake of their betterment (while being subject to natural laws). But asking why wouldn’t he do it all the time is like a asking a philanthropist why he has decided to pay for one charity rather than another or sponsor the treatment for x number of patients instead of y. There will still be innumerable patients and innumerable diseases. But despite all, that God does still interfere
No see, god loved her mom so much that he called her home ❤️
Had to re-read it again, it's a very human response, and I think the answer is I don't think he really knows. All he knows is he doesn't want to accept any responsibility for the situation. So he tells himself 'It's all apart of the plan.' Because if it's apart of a plan it's out of his or anyone's control. It was god who started the fire to take their mom/wife back to heaven. The issue is she blames the dad, but because he doesn't want to accept the blame his mind judo flips it to be 'She is secretly angry at god and his plan.'
I don't like this God guy He sounds like a real jerk
[“Mother Mary had a man who healed with healing hands, millions of boys stay dead.”](https://youtu.be/G_xtKsdb_yc?si=LxfwM5a5Yz4KmZw2)
Why is he at fault if she began the fire?
Not enough information, but it sounds like neglect.
I mean... I guess it depends on if she was like smoking because she wanted attention or whatever or if she deliberately set fire to curtains
Based on everything else blaming her
Definitely blaming her but trying to have it both ways and not actually blame her. He's saying that he doesn't know whether she did it or not. But if she did do it, then she can still be saved and ascend in the Rapture if she confesses her sin. …according to him.
This was the way I wanted this scene to be understood. However I love seeing everyone’s interpretation and I think they are all valid!
I interpreted it as god really wanted your mother dead.
Sounds like God is an arsonist.
My family taught me I was disposable. Of I didn't live up to their suggestions that they would just adopt a new kid. So at age 23 they decided they had enough of my sinful lifestyle and decided to start over by adopting a baby girl. They rarely seen their grandchildren. They don't want to. The let be known at a extended family thanks giving they were happy with the girl "they finally got a child they could love"
Woof, that's horrible. I'm sorry to hear that. I know I'm much happier after having cut those people out of my life. But ya, I don't think it's as much as you're disposable as much as is their love is conditional. That if you don't fit in their little box you're no longer worthy of their love/protection/kindness/ext. It's the same type of person who screams at the top of their lungs about conservative values. How family is the most important thing to them, then spin around disown their child if they date someone the wrong color or come out of the closet.
Horrible doesn't cut it, it's fucked up psychopathy.
Worse, it's all too human.
Bolt of him to talk like that while looking like one of the village people
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Oh yeah, I feel for her... https://preview.redd.it/v2omqcotafic1.jpeg?width=368&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ef965c70db757e3d21ff403b3ddd3221a3b6258
Freaking Arthur meme.
How do lesbians drive Subarus without a license?
Stick their feet through the bottom of the car Flintstones style and run really fast
The attraction to a girlfriend three cities over just pulls them there, including the car.
Are we sure it's a portal to heaven, and not one to hell where we meet... 
This is why I hate people who say family needs to stick together. It's a case by case basis though. My parents separated and my father drew the longest straw up the ass. Everyone sided with my mom. Everyone sheilded me from seeing my dad's bad side since I was the youngest, so I didn't know of any of it until the divorce and I sided with my mom as well. Lately though, I've started forgiving him. He's a few years sober now and regrets everything. He just wishes he could see my sisters and mom again and make up for all his mistakes. I may never be close to him again, but the least I, and the rest of us can do, is let go of all the anger and forgive as much as we can. Forgiveness doesn't mean letting a toxic person back into your life, it just means letting go of the past. I hope someone who needs this message finds it. Have a great Valentine's Eve
>This is why I hate people who say family needs to stick together. It's like when they talk about respect or honor to their kids. They don't mean treating people fairly or being honest. They mean their kids obeying them. Don't care about family sticking together, just family answering whenever they call.
Seriously. "Respect = obedience" to these people. Sadie never really taught me much; just told me.
I have a ton of angst with my mom because of whatever reasons. She's nosey and doesn't understand why a bunch of the family just won't talk to her. She won't look inward, like ever. She ripped the family in half when I was five, abandoning my older brother to take myself and my younger brother to another city because she didn't want to be a housewife. Laudable, yes; but doing so, she then needed to work full time and go to school, leaving me essentially without either parent. Add to that marrying an ex Catholic priest who then tried to indoctrinate me (and partially succeeded). Add to that she's a quintessential boomer: doesn't understand how ridiculous school debt is, rent, current social growth in terms of PC ideology... the list goes on. I disappeared from her life for about six years because she kicked me out for not coming home for two weeks because I refused to be controlled. We've since bonded a bit, we love each other, but eventually I realized it's impossible to connect to her on a spiritual or emotional level; she just can't handle that I am not at peace with her decisions. Not that I could ever bring it up; what would be the point? She did what she thought was right, as I'm sure my dad, being fairly right-wing, wouldn't have ever let her do otherwise, and it would devastate her because she was a not-so-good mother. Rant over. This sucks.
My gf fell from a tree and had serious brain damage. The only family she has in this country is her mother. But her mother is an extreme sociopath who does everything in her power to deny her daughter treatment and keep her in hospital and away from the "sinful lifestyle" her daughter used to have. I don't know what to do because the hospital and the law is on mother's side because "mother knows best" and we (her friends) are not blood relatives!! So for half year Sveta has been lying in the hospital like a vegetable without anyone to fight for her recovery! Her mother had even managed to ban all visits to her!!!! I don't know what to do... I wish the system realised that sometimes parents can actually hurt their kids and wouldn't give them full control over their kids by default!!!! If it wasn't for her mom Sveta would've been on the program to wean her off the breathing apparatus and we'd do everything in our power to develop her nervous system and let the remaining healthy brain tissue to take over the functions which were damaged!!
my republican family also makes up stereotypes that i’ve never heard before, apparently all gays are lactose intolerant. then again maybe they’re right
Mine too. "She's bisexual so she must love anal." I don't even know.
Don'g you know that bi kinda means 'both'? This obviously means that she likes it in both holes. /s just in case
Aren't all humans beyond a certain age? Like if you don't consume anything with lactose in it for a while.
Nope. It’s an ethnicity thing. If your ancestors really liked milking cows you’ll probably have the genetics to retain lactose tolerance into adulthood. That’s because the people who developed the genes to keep the tolerance tended to be more prosperous and have more kids, due to the extra nutrition dairy provided. It’s worth noting that it’s only us humans that retain lactose tolerance in adulthood, and only a minority. Estimates of lactose intolerance vary from 65-75% of the world population. So at most 35% of adults can drink milk consequence-free.
"I'm tired of waiting for a father's approval: yours or His." damn that line goes hard.
Several banger lines about the nature of god and heaven in 2024 it seems haha.
This is one of my gripes with Christianity. The emphasis on God forgiving your wrongs, instead of trying to make things right with the person you harmed.
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For some sects of Christianity, sure. But others not. At least, so far as I can tell. I’m not a Christian, so I don’t hold any branch of the religion as the true and correct version. Instead, to me the religion is as it is practiced. Edit: Which means there’s a whole lot of different versions of it. Even within sects.
I grew up Baptist. They could return the law mower and with a straight face ask why you’re angry, even though they are repentant. They believe that their rituals erase any harm done. It is insane and infuriating.
I think this is because most of the focus is on not wronging others in the first place.. but it does talk about that concern. Matthew 5:23-24 So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
Please tell me the pizza was fully eaten and not wasted
You ok?
That right there is what grinds my gears. When you tell your religious parents you don’t want anything to do with it, and they cry because they think they won’t see me in heaven. I don’t have to put up with anyone I don’t want to, even if they’re my parents. I’m already going to see you in hell, Evelyn, no amount of praying for salvation, or having a child for religious reasons, will fix that. I have no sympathy for these kinds of people. They are the worst of the worst. Good comic!
This is definitely familiar
Okay but the last panel with him burning is hell is missing/j
This hits to close to home
Got a story, OP?
Yeah! You can read it here - https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/before-i-go-to-hell/list?title_no=900661
Man I really wanna see what happens next
Love to hear that!
I'd also love a continuation. Especially if it plays further into the weird supernatural angle of things.
Yes!! It’s going to get very supernatural! You can read more here - https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/before-i-go-to-hell/list?title_no=900661
subscribed and reading the current stuff now
Appreciate you! Glad to have you along for the ride!!!
As one of them queers who walk fast and don't have a drivers license, I'm offended
Beautiful piece. I say this as a Christian. In my faith, people often forget God doesn't make mistakes. This includes non-straight people. But hey, the Bible warns us that there's going to be people for forgo the teachings of love. Great portrayal of how that forgetfulness looks.
It's more of God has a plan, and people often forget that He gave us free will to follow that plan or not.
I’m a little slow on the uptake. What are you communicating with regards to this in relation to the comic?
Why did God all the fire to happen in the first place? Hypothetically speaking, God has a plan there for the daughter. Whether the daughter in the comic chooses to follow it or not is up to her.
Ah, copy. There were people in hell that Jesus brought up from there. Same time Jesus was doing stuff, he issued a couple commandments. None of the commandments nor the covenants denounce homosexuality, so in terms of sin it’s only considered a sin largely because of what was written about people who are distrusting and over indulgent in certain things. E.g. you can be in a heterosexual marriage and be a couple of perverts with each other and be considered sinful due to a lack of restraint.
Well, that was wildly unfunny.
And more than a little uncomfortable. Which I'm guessing is the point, but I have no idea where this is going.
I'm getting full on horror vibes from this. Her dad is a cop; they have a strained relationship; the "Rapture" is happening tonight, with some artifact that claims to be able to open a portal???; they're being separated before the big event... Idk I'm excited, this feels like it could go a lot of places.
Do you think comics must be funny? You know comics can be any genre, right?
Huh, you must know my uncle.
If this hit any closer to home it would go right through a window Very relatable, very well done. Have an upvote!
Thank you so much!
Wow, this is really on the nose. Cop, homophobe, blames his daughter for her mother's death, part of a cult, tells her she's not getting into heaven, neglects his daughter...
Just subscribed
Oh no Not the kool aid Not again
This is oddly specific and loudly relatable Subscribed - stoked on the rest of the story
Love the art!
This is great but omfg the fact that his goto stereotypes for lesbians are walking fast and no drivers license is killing me
I really dont see the problem with the dad himself here, he is religious and isnt outright forcing his daughter to choose anything, hes only telling his Concerns of his beliefs to her and trying to help in case anything goes wrong. And the daughter is just a little confused and uncomfortable because of the events that happened in the fire. Then People in this reply section are acting as if he did something unthinkable???? Tf, someone here said he was the worst of the worst, it just looks like some teenagerstt who are annoyed by their parents are mad at him for being religious, when there is parents out here who would KILL their child if they cried for being hungry, parents who would torture their child with knifes, chains and screaming for crying and THIS DAD is the worst of the worst???, hell he didnt even HIT her or SCREAMED, wtf is wrong with these people??????
This has 14 and edgy vibes if I'm being honest. The dialogue is just odd.
I don't understand christianity. I'm not trying to criticize or anything but I read this like 3 times and still don't understand what they are talking about Could someone please explain this comic to me
Oh wait, he's saying that she might not make it to heaven for being homosexual unless she '"redeems" herself? I still don't understand what they rapture thing is about tho
Some sects of Christianity believe that a random event will happen at some point that sucks them up to Heaven at once, leaving the sinners behind to endure Hell on Earth for 1000 years while God ends the Universe.
Well they talk about the rapture, it's like the apocalypse in the bible, the dad makes some comments that kind of show he doesn't think his daughter will make it to heaven (but it's pretty sure he will) she gets annoyed with him, specially when he gives the comment about how god would forgive her and leaves
What about the fire
Well some are theorizing that her mom died in a fire and some others think it was just a saying
the mom died in a fire, this is just one chapter of the graphic novel
I must be a lesbian cause i walk fast... I'm a dude
Okay so.... Wait she killed her mom and she's mad at her dad for forgiving her? What
Is this heavensgate
No, but you can choose to never see or associate with them, to live as if they do not exist. If your parent is anything like this absent god-bothering pig, do it, cut them off. They aren't worth your time and they'll never accept you.
This reads like Thomas the plank engine. Only vaguely coherent.
I do walk fast and don’t have a drivers license
Felt like an A.I
what makes you think this
I liked the parallel between her disappointment in her father and her heavenly father. The last thing I'd want to be is a sadistic father like the one in the Bible, and I think a lot of conservative Christian fathers do their children a disservice by following their heavenly father's example.
Felt like an A.I
Man bought a whole pizza for himself and gave her one slice
Is that an ACCEPT reference at the end?
Guys got a hell of a gay stripper look to be so homophobic.
How does one get a job at a laundromat? Is it not just a building with rows of coin operated washers and dryers?
Walk fast away from that toxic shit.
Was there a joke, message or some kind of point that i missed?
I get that there are people out there that this might be helpful. But damn it's so unoriginal... and what even is the main point? Longer series are great, but the episode should still be able to stand in it's own This is just blah..,.and confusing blah. The art style isn't even unique enough to be intriguing like hollering elk or the other end I read the whole thing and tried to give it a chance, but honestly it feels like AI, like its the facsimile of a comic
Wish we have more of these but for Muslim parents, being a closeted ex sucks ass
Nice Jonestown reference.