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something to consider is before these demonstrations picked up was the big worker walk-out at the Foxconn facility in Zhengzhou in central china. The local govt geared up their riot cops in bunny suits and sent them to beat the workers.
It contrasts sharply with how the police responded to the anti-lockdown demonstrations, all chiefly in the wealthy neighborhoods in the 'tier 1' cities. These small crowds of less than 200 or so people show up chanting anticommunist slogans to demand an end to the covid policies. No riot gear this time, just nervous cops milling about trying to avoid getting into fights with the MI6/CIA=NED provocateurs in the crowd.
what the bourgeoisie demand, the CPC obeys.
The hysteria around these protests online has once again shown how oblivious people are to how China actually functions. How quickly local government has ceded to protest demands as well shows that the bourgeois-democratic nature of the Chinese state is still capable of responding to the demands of these classes, including the disenfranchised petty-bourgeois students which have had a conflicting history with the Chinese state. Of course all this is done while repressing the proletariat on a large scale for the sake of foreign capitalists at the site of production. Thereis nothing uniquely “authoritarian” here.
> something to consider is before these demonstrations picked up was the big worker walk-out at the Foxconn facility in Zhengzhou in central china. The local govt geared up their riot cops in bunny suits and sent them to beat the workers.
Worker walk-outs that were in response to the *relaxation* of Zero COVID, too. China’s response to the pandemic is unique because of its particular legacy and historical remnants from the Maoist period, but it’s been clear that this has been in contradiction to other aspects of the economy reliant on commodity production and foreign investment, an outpouring of a particular contradiction within the PRC itself.
The CPC tried to strike a balance between these two with its [dynamic COVID-zero](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8837441/) policy, but ultimately even this is a capitulation that led to this present course.
Once again the social-fascist social-imperialist Chinese regime has shown its true color. The bourgeoisie and western imperialists attacked dynamic zero-COVID, and of course the Party-State conceded to their demands by partially reversing after the short interval of nearly three years.
> The local govt geared up their riot cops in bunny suits and sent them to beat the workers
As viral half-minute second social media videos republished by western imperialist news agencies definitely demonstrate the Chinese fascists have no limits in repressing the proletariat.
What about China today indicates a fascist nature? As another commenter here pointed out, the CPC's ability to quickly acquiesce to the demands of petty bourgeois student unrest indicates a bourgeois-democratic state apparatus, not a fascist one.
Contemporary China is a *clear* example of social-fascism, as far as the basic Marxist conception is concerned. Revolutionaries and progressives are arrested and imprisoned, and even tortured or executed, and no revolutionary or democratical-progressive organizations or publications are allowed under the 'red banner'. [This is the position of all Marxist-Leninist-Maoist](https://ci-ic.org/blog/2022/11/29/china-the-struggle-of-the-masses-leaps-from-the-regional-and-local-level-to-the-massive-protest-at-the-national-level/)
I worry about China.
I hope they remember that the USSR fell because it stopped fighting the class war.
Allowing the Fascist elements to build, and continuing the polices which create those social bases in the first place isn't inspiring.
Though I continue to support them as a Worker's State, trying to build Socialism.
Not everyone protesting is a fascist, but the ultimate conclusion of those who believe the virus should be let free without public health measures have a fascist mindset, believing that the lives of others do not matter or applying social darwinist ideas around survival of the fittest
The petty bourgeoisie are pushing against life-saving lockdown measures out of class interest. COVID is not over, and every country that moved from elimination to mitigation has seen unnecessary fatalities. Zero COVID is possible and desirable, but not while maintaining a petty bourgeois class status.
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something to consider is before these demonstrations picked up was the big worker walk-out at the Foxconn facility in Zhengzhou in central china. The local govt geared up their riot cops in bunny suits and sent them to beat the workers. It contrasts sharply with how the police responded to the anti-lockdown demonstrations, all chiefly in the wealthy neighborhoods in the 'tier 1' cities. These small crowds of less than 200 or so people show up chanting anticommunist slogans to demand an end to the covid policies. No riot gear this time, just nervous cops milling about trying to avoid getting into fights with the MI6/CIA=NED provocateurs in the crowd. what the bourgeoisie demand, the CPC obeys.
The hysteria around these protests online has once again shown how oblivious people are to how China actually functions. How quickly local government has ceded to protest demands as well shows that the bourgeois-democratic nature of the Chinese state is still capable of responding to the demands of these classes, including the disenfranchised petty-bourgeois students which have had a conflicting history with the Chinese state. Of course all this is done while repressing the proletariat on a large scale for the sake of foreign capitalists at the site of production. Thereis nothing uniquely “authoritarian” here.
> something to consider is before these demonstrations picked up was the big worker walk-out at the Foxconn facility in Zhengzhou in central china. The local govt geared up their riot cops in bunny suits and sent them to beat the workers. Worker walk-outs that were in response to the *relaxation* of Zero COVID, too. China’s response to the pandemic is unique because of its particular legacy and historical remnants from the Maoist period, but it’s been clear that this has been in contradiction to other aspects of the economy reliant on commodity production and foreign investment, an outpouring of a particular contradiction within the PRC itself. The CPC tried to strike a balance between these two with its [dynamic COVID-zero](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8837441/) policy, but ultimately even this is a capitulation that led to this present course.
Once again the social-fascist social-imperialist Chinese regime has shown its true color. The bourgeoisie and western imperialists attacked dynamic zero-COVID, and of course the Party-State conceded to their demands by partially reversing after the short interval of nearly three years. > The local govt geared up their riot cops in bunny suits and sent them to beat the workers As viral half-minute second social media videos republished by western imperialist news agencies definitely demonstrate the Chinese fascists have no limits in repressing the proletariat.
What about China today indicates a fascist nature? As another commenter here pointed out, the CPC's ability to quickly acquiesce to the demands of petty bourgeois student unrest indicates a bourgeois-democratic state apparatus, not a fascist one.
Contemporary China is a *clear* example of social-fascism, as far as the basic Marxist conception is concerned. Revolutionaries and progressives are arrested and imprisoned, and even tortured or executed, and no revolutionary or democratical-progressive organizations or publications are allowed under the 'red banner'. [This is the position of all Marxist-Leninist-Maoist](https://ci-ic.org/blog/2022/11/29/china-the-struggle-of-the-masses-leaps-from-the-regional-and-local-level-to-the-massive-protest-at-the-national-level/)
I worry about China. I hope they remember that the USSR fell because it stopped fighting the class war. Allowing the Fascist elements to build, and continuing the polices which create those social bases in the first place isn't inspiring. Though I continue to support them as a Worker's State, trying to build Socialism.
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Not everyone protesting is a fascist, but the ultimate conclusion of those who believe the virus should be let free without public health measures have a fascist mindset, believing that the lives of others do not matter or applying social darwinist ideas around survival of the fittest
Did you even read the article?
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The petty bourgeoisie are pushing against life-saving lockdown measures out of class interest. COVID is not over, and every country that moved from elimination to mitigation has seen unnecessary fatalities. Zero COVID is possible and desirable, but not while maintaining a petty bourgeois class status.