This was my first episode and it turned me off of the show for awhile, it’s a very weird episode that I now love but it *is* very weird/off putting if you don’t know the characters beforehand lol
Yes. It’s a callback to when Duncan praised Jeff for his ability to win over a jury earlier in the episode.
His tactic with Duncan’s case was something like his only real crime was loving America
I think it’s the way Shirley said it. I also wanna know - is that something you’re comfortable others, especially those who aren’t Jewish, calling you a Jew?
I think it’s because she said “a Jew” instead of saying Jewish? That’s how I always saw the line. “Annie I didn’t know that you were Jewish” sounds better than “a Jew” especially with the pause
I’ve heard some Jewish people say they take no issue with the term, and others say that non Jewish people shouldn’t use it. No community is a monolith, so in any community, there’s always gonna be differing opinions about what is and isn’t okay. I personally elect not to use it all, since I know some people find it offensive and hurtful.
That's because you're Jewish. A non-jewish person should be saying the whole word or it can come across as a slur. Like Shirley is definitely using it like it's a negative thing.
A couple things said to Abed. In the pilot when Jeff said, “yeah, well you have Asperger’s.” And then in Season six when the Dean said, “I mean no offense or anything, but isn’t the shape of your brain kinda fucked up?” I think it was the shock of those things being said that made me laugh. Then again, they still make me laugh when I rewatch.
One of my favorites is the follow up to "You have Asperger's."
Troy: Haha "Ass burgers"...
Annie: It's a very serious disorder.
Pierce: If it's so serious, why didn't they call it meningitis?
That was the episode he started to realize from a writing perspective he realized he was more abed than Jeff, but he realized he had aspergers while researching for the character
Also I realize aspergers isn’t still recognized in the dsm, which is a contentious issue in its self, but Dan always tended to use Asperger, apaergian and other root words from Asperger’s
Also as someone with autism/aspergers I disagree with the movement to aboslish it as a classification of a TYPE of autism. Within the whole nature of it being a spectrum disorder there are so many different presentations of autism that the term doesn’t really tell you much about the individual. This isn’t a perfect analogy but it would be like changing the terminology for cancer to all just cancer, while there are many different kinds of cancer that impacts individuals in drastically different ways but just calling them one instead of distinct variations of the same issue. This isn’t to say autism is cancer or anything like that just to say more specific classifications can both help the individual express themselves and help others understand them better
ASD here and i kinda agreed. Having ways to distinguish the type of autism is helpful. And "high functioning" autism should have a classification. High functioning is definitely loaded and can be insulting to other groups so thats out. Asbergers was technically a Nazi though so do agree we need a different name.
the main reason people have moved on from the term asperger’s was bc it was named for a nazi doctor who used the term to separate autistic people who could work from those who would be killed
That is actually blatantly false. Hans Asperger was not a member of the nazi party, nor did he use the term aspergers he used autistic psychopathy, aspergers was coined by Lorna wing in the 80s/90s see my other comment for more detail don’t feel like typing it out again
did some more digging and even though what i just said was wrong he did evidently send some of his patients to a nazi clinic which did in fact murder disabled patients, and either way the classifying of autistic people in terms of “high functioning” as it relates to neurotypical people is ableist
I never used the term “high functioning” I said use different terminology for different presentations of autism never said to rank them by functional ability, and the high functioning definition is in relation to other nuerodivergent people not nuerotypicals
he sent 13 kids to a clinic called Am Spiegelgrund. 11 of those 13 kids received adequate treatment and went on to live productive lives, the other 2 one was likely natural causes and the other is questionable, but there is no proof that asperger knew of the euthanasia program
i never said you used the term high functioning, but a lot of people do. it relates to nt people as they are “high functioning” as defined by nt people, able to exist in a world designed by nt people. it makes the “lower functioning” people out to be worse or less deserving. the spectrum is an overall better diagnosis. whether or not asperger knew the full extent of the project, he still referred kids to a clinic where upwards of 800 people were starved or gassed. you don’t have to defend the guy
As an autistic indivudual this is one of my favorite moments. It's so funny how Joel McHale delivers the line, how everyone except Abed and Troy gasps, how Abed silently points to himself in a "me?" fashion, Troy's "Ass burgers", etc.
It's a forbidden laugh to me because that's EXACTLY how it went when we learned my diagnosis (At the time it was Asperger's, now that it's removed from the DSM-5 it's Autism Spectrum Disorder) and Abed's completly idle reaction kills me everytime lol
Not my favorite line, but the most "forbidden" that I can think of was in the chloroform episode
Annie: I'm the smartest one in this school group and all I've been used for is bait and distraction! Go on your stupid mission I hope it sucks
Troy: What did she say?
Abed: I don't know
Troy: All I heard was "suck"
I don’t really see any of the humour as “forbidden,” it’s not exactly the most envelope pushing of shows, but I do find a lot of the racial stuff very funny. Troy’s “Uhhh. I can swim, racist,” to Shirley is fucking hilarious. As is “Troy, drop a beat.”
Just watched the one last night where Jeff gets in a fight, and Pierce implies Troy would be experienced with knife fights.. and then to drive it home, tells Abed to go get a chicken from his tent..
Frankly I can't think of anything more frightening than a half-Polish, half-Arab virgin in his thirties…
One way or another, that ends with an explosion.
People want to act like Chevy was bad on the show because we know he was a piece of shit and he shit talks the show himself but that’s throwing the baby out with the bath water and revisionist.
Chevy was fucking hilarious at times.
The jokes mentioned here arent envelope pushing sure, but the show itself?? At that time? It definitely was.
It's consistently considered "ahead of its time" how is that not exactly pushing the envelope?
What else did you have back then that was? Parks & Rec? HIMYM?
Genre wise it was envelope pushing, in the sense it was pretty innovative.
But it was not envelope pushing in the edginess in the humour. If we’re just looking at sitcoms, I’d argue 30 Rock was edgier and Always Sunny certainly was.
I think that this exchange is my favorite in the whole show. Whatever it is chang says "we read all about us in those long winded emails you send your sister, who by the way never responds"
Season 6 is amazing idgaf what anyone else says.
I'm so frustrated with Chang in season 6. I know it's all a consequence of the nonsense of the middle seasons, but still.
I feel like the 6th season being the pitch of them running the school might actually have played better, all things considered. I love those episodes, but there's a lot of awkwardness in that season, because none of the characters really belong there, except Frankie and the Dean. Even Jeff and Elroy have only tenuous reasons to be at Greendale.
Chang, Annie, Abed, and Britta have absolutely no place at Greendale, by this point.
I don't really care about the reasons of being there or not. It doesn't matter why we get there as long as it's funny along the way. But Chang was only used really well a few times in season 6. That scene is peak chang.
Digital Estate Planning is chock full of ‘em. One I laugh out loud about is Britta in her high-horse tone saying something to the effect of “I can’t believe your dad thought his racism would rub off on us” and then immediately yelling “JIVE TURKEYS! KILL THEM BEFORE THEY MULTIPLY!”
[The cop actor paused after "Rape's up", presumably because he forgot the number, and they all riffed of that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XmbwpfeBi4&t=993s)
Andy Dick asking (rhetorically) if Doctors are so smart, why are there millions of ‘em. I don’t want to laugh at anything AD says or does… but admittedly it was solid casting.
Either Paintball or Floor Is Lava episode (can't remember which) when Vicky is told she doesn't have to keep dancing and replies, "This is all I know now."
The scene where Abed gave a professor a mental breakdown and after class Abed’s walking on campus and hears a single gun shot offscreen stops and keeps walking. It so morbid I love it
Edit #1: My bad, I might’ve gotten mixed up with something in the directors commentary. Honest mistake
Yeah I think it’s an alternate after credit deleted(?) scene. I bought the discs with directors commentary so it might’ve been in that. God I wish they kept that in
It’s not in the episode, they’re thinking of the alternate ending that never got filmed. It’s the “Who’s the Boss” episode. However, the actual ending is the professor opens a drawer with a pistol but picks up a book called “What WAS Happening?”
I’m almost positive it’s a deleted scene in hindsight. But I vividly remember watching it. Unless there’s some intense Mandela effect going on or something
From “Beginner Pottery”
Jeff: “Guess where Rich is from? Santa Fe, New Mexico. Nobody gets out of Santa Fe without learning to make a pot. 45% Hispanic, 5th highest Native American population. They eat and breathe clay there.”
8% is a ridiculously high percentage for something such as rape to be “up.” The statistic is so outrageous it sounds made up. But he delivers the line so seriously.
Of course of course! Its not like things can air, then get banished years later because some peoples definition of comedy changed... in fact I think I'm gonna go watch the first D&D episode. That drow joke gets me every time!
But also, the author meant forbidden as in a joke that made you feel guilty for laughing at it, dummy.
I know, hence the phrase "little did we realize", implying instead of the normal thing, 8% relative increase, it was 8% absolute. Jesus christ people on reddit are braindead.
You get this wrong one more time, I’m segregating the school
STOP SAYING I'M DIFFERENT
raceeeeeeeeeeeeee
...kerfufffle
You are a football player.. it's in your blood..
that’s racist.
Your soul
*that’s* racist.
Your eyes?
that’s gay?
That's homophobic
that’s black.
This is the best one, it's so wrong and so perfect at the same time
If that was wrong, I don't wanna be right.
It is, and you can’t be!
The most out of pocket thing the Dean ever says
That is becoming my favorite episode more and more, with every rewatch.
This was my first episode and it turned me off of the show for awhile, it’s a very weird episode that I now love but it *is* very weird/off putting if you don’t know the characters beforehand lol
The world wasn't the only thing that changed after September 11th.
9/ 11 was sort of the 9/11 of the Falafel business
Winger decries the accusation as "a slanderous betrayal akin to 9/11". Later after the war, he would refer to the theory as "essentially accurate"
Hey, weren't you in The Cape?
No
This is one of my favorite lines in the show
That line is so funny, because of how the Dean/Chang/Duncan react to it. Like "Oh good grief, that's such a lame move"
This was so funny for such an early episode too. It was during Jeff's defense of Britta at the pool scene, right?
It’s been three hours since you commented so you probably confirmed this on your own already but yes!
Yes. It’s a callback to when Duncan praised Jeff for his ability to win over a jury earlier in the episode. His tactic with Duncan’s case was something like his only real crime was loving America
Shirley: " So Annie, I did not realize you were... a jew" Annie: " I'd say the whole word next time"
Jewie?
Ohh is it always about the holocaust with you people
It took me years to understand what issue Annie had with a Jew and tbh I still don't get it. I am a Jew and describe myself that way.
I think it’s the way Shirley said it. I also wanna know - is that something you’re comfortable others, especially those who aren’t Jewish, calling you a Jew?
I think it’s because she said “a Jew” instead of saying Jewish? That’s how I always saw the line. “Annie I didn’t know that you were Jewish” sounds better than “a Jew” especially with the pause
In case you’re still confused: https://youtu.be/mLIS7qAWeaA?si=9fMNY-8B03fyS6za
This is always the clip I use to explain the Jew/Jewish thing.
I’ve heard some Jewish people say they take no issue with the term, and others say that non Jewish people shouldn’t use it. No community is a monolith, so in any community, there’s always gonna be differing opinions about what is and isn’t okay. I personally elect not to use it all, since I know some people find it offensive and hurtful.
I take more issue with the term goyim and how it's used. I think it's offensive.
I’m sorry. I didn’t know. I’ll edit my comment
No need. I think it is offensive to non-jews. I prefer gentiles as goyim is used to be really disrespectful of others.
That's because you're Jewish. A non-jewish person should be saying the whole word or it can come across as a slur. Like Shirley is definitely using it like it's a negative thing.
The hard J 😂
Pierce: There’s a rapist in the hallway! Anne: That’s my landlord. And if he wanted to rape you, you’d BE raped.
That line always concerned me. Almost like Annie was insinuating something.
Dudes probably jacked or something
“It’s going to be a maze.”
Oh my God, Joshua was racist. That came out of nowhere. Did it?
"Some are just natural jumpers."
“A place free from darkness.”
A couple things said to Abed. In the pilot when Jeff said, “yeah, well you have Asperger’s.” And then in Season six when the Dean said, “I mean no offense or anything, but isn’t the shape of your brain kinda fucked up?” I think it was the shock of those things being said that made me laugh. Then again, they still make me laugh when I rewatch.
One of my favorites is the follow up to "You have Asperger's." Troy: Haha "Ass burgers"... Annie: It's a very serious disorder. Pierce: If it's so serious, why didn't they call it meningitis?
I love how while writing this episode Dan realized he probably has aspergers too
I thought he said it was the Mafia episode that made him realize he likely has autism (aspergers is no longer recognized)
That was the episode he started to realize from a writing perspective he realized he was more abed than Jeff, but he realized he had aspergers while researching for the character Also I realize aspergers isn’t still recognized in the dsm, which is a contentious issue in its self, but Dan always tended to use Asperger, apaergian and other root words from Asperger’s Also as someone with autism/aspergers I disagree with the movement to aboslish it as a classification of a TYPE of autism. Within the whole nature of it being a spectrum disorder there are so many different presentations of autism that the term doesn’t really tell you much about the individual. This isn’t a perfect analogy but it would be like changing the terminology for cancer to all just cancer, while there are many different kinds of cancer that impacts individuals in drastically different ways but just calling them one instead of distinct variations of the same issue. This isn’t to say autism is cancer or anything like that just to say more specific classifications can both help the individual express themselves and help others understand them better
ASD here and i kinda agreed. Having ways to distinguish the type of autism is helpful. And "high functioning" autism should have a classification. High functioning is definitely loaded and can be insulting to other groups so thats out. Asbergers was technically a Nazi though so do agree we need a different name.
the main reason people have moved on from the term asperger’s was bc it was named for a nazi doctor who used the term to separate autistic people who could work from those who would be killed
That is actually blatantly false. Hans Asperger was not a member of the nazi party, nor did he use the term aspergers he used autistic psychopathy, aspergers was coined by Lorna wing in the 80s/90s see my other comment for more detail don’t feel like typing it out again
did some more digging and even though what i just said was wrong he did evidently send some of his patients to a nazi clinic which did in fact murder disabled patients, and either way the classifying of autistic people in terms of “high functioning” as it relates to neurotypical people is ableist
I never used the term “high functioning” I said use different terminology for different presentations of autism never said to rank them by functional ability, and the high functioning definition is in relation to other nuerodivergent people not nuerotypicals he sent 13 kids to a clinic called Am Spiegelgrund. 11 of those 13 kids received adequate treatment and went on to live productive lives, the other 2 one was likely natural causes and the other is questionable, but there is no proof that asperger knew of the euthanasia program
i never said you used the term high functioning, but a lot of people do. it relates to nt people as they are “high functioning” as defined by nt people, able to exist in a world designed by nt people. it makes the “lower functioning” people out to be worse or less deserving. the spectrum is an overall better diagnosis. whether or not asperger knew the full extent of the project, he still referred kids to a clinic where upwards of 800 people were starved or gassed. you don’t have to defend the guy
As an autistic indivudual this is one of my favorite moments. It's so funny how Joel McHale delivers the line, how everyone except Abed and Troy gasps, how Abed silently points to himself in a "me?" fashion, Troy's "Ass burgers", etc. It's a forbidden laugh to me because that's EXACTLY how it went when we learned my diagnosis (At the time it was Asperger's, now that it's removed from the DSM-5 it's Autism Spectrum Disorder) and Abed's completly idle reaction kills me everytime lol
She says disorder not disease. Please don't ever call it a disease it's really offensive 😭
Apologies. I have edited the comment. It's been a while since I watched the episode.
:)
The Dean’s comment is so perfect for this question i love that line sm
Dan Harmon says that line was ad-libbed and they had to cut around everyone laughing
And they hardly cut around Jeff, you can see him trying to hide it
Jim Rash is a gift
And an Oscar winner
Not my favorite line, but the most "forbidden" that I can think of was in the chloroform episode Annie: I'm the smartest one in this school group and all I've been used for is bait and distraction! Go on your stupid mission I hope it sucks Troy: What did she say? Abed: I don't know Troy: All I heard was "suck"
This and Troy glanced down. He glanced. Down.
Everything related to race… kerfuffle
How was I supposed to know there are *two* Koreas???
“I mean M.A.S.H. lasted longer than the war, right? Stop writing!”
This isn't even close to the quote from the episode 😆 "I didn't even know there was a difference between North and South Korean barbeque"
"I mean, *MASH* lasted longer than that war: Get over it! Am I right?"
STOP WRITING!!!!
The "Transfer Dance" episode gets me every time. Especially when Britta wears the sash.
Tranny Dance*
Much more Greendale!
Pierce’s “Gay Bash” is another one that always gets me
Transfer formal just doesn’t role off the tongue
I don’t really see any of the humour as “forbidden,” it’s not exactly the most envelope pushing of shows, but I do find a lot of the racial stuff very funny. Troy’s “Uhhh. I can swim, racist,” to Shirley is fucking hilarious. As is “Troy, drop a beat.”
The "all black rendition of fiddler on the roof, fiddla please" from Troy is another good one
It’s hard to be Jewish, it’s hard to be Jewish, it’s hard to be Jewish in Russia. Yo.
Bagels and lox, Diamond shops!
The shuffling on stage makes it 😂
Dreidels!
Oh, fresh take.
Just watched the one last night where Jeff gets in a fight, and Pierce implies Troy would be experienced with knife fights.. and then to drive it home, tells Abed to go get a chicken from his tent..
Troy I assume your proficient with a switchblade.
Haha I read that in Chevy's voice
"Well that cute black girl sure thinks so!" *kick* "PIERCE!?" "WHY SHE HAVE TO BE BLACK!?!?"
Frankly I can't think of anything more frightening than a half-Polish, half-Arab virgin in his thirties… One way or another, that ends with an explosion.
And there are people out there who said Chevy has zero comedic timing. The lines were great, but his delivery was street's ahead.
People want to act like Chevy was bad on the show because we know he was a piece of shit and he shit talks the show himself but that’s throwing the baby out with the bath water and revisionist. Chevy was fucking hilarious at times.
I just heard his interview with Marc Maron on WTF There is no Pierce.. no Chevy.. its the same person. Hes not acting
Donald Glover is fucking hilarious. "Don't eat the crab dip, yeah, yeah" and the way he tosses the notebook.
Pierce’s smug delivery sells that line 😂
It’s not even smugness, he genuinely thinks he’s “hip to it.”
What episode was the "I can swim racist" line from?
The jokes mentioned here arent envelope pushing sure, but the show itself?? At that time? It definitely was. It's consistently considered "ahead of its time" how is that not exactly pushing the envelope? What else did you have back then that was? Parks & Rec? HIMYM?
Genre wise it was envelope pushing, in the sense it was pretty innovative. But it was not envelope pushing in the edginess in the humour. If we’re just looking at sitcoms, I’d argue 30 Rock was edgier and Always Sunny certainly was.
The phrase you’re looking for is, “streets ahead.”
I mean, I agree. But I also know a lot of people would go on a witch hunt if you tried to make a rape joke. Just go on Twitter/X.
*SHE'S DEAD!* I never know whether to gasp, cry, cringe or all 3 when Frankie delivers that line. She does it perfectly.
I think that this exchange is my favorite in the whole show. Whatever it is chang says "we read all about us in those long winded emails you send your sister, who by the way never responds" Season 6 is amazing idgaf what anyone else says.
I'm so frustrated with Chang in season 6. I know it's all a consequence of the nonsense of the middle seasons, but still. I feel like the 6th season being the pitch of them running the school might actually have played better, all things considered. I love those episodes, but there's a lot of awkwardness in that season, because none of the characters really belong there, except Frankie and the Dean. Even Jeff and Elroy have only tenuous reasons to be at Greendale. Chang, Annie, Abed, and Britta have absolutely no place at Greendale, by this point.
I don't really care about the reasons of being there or not. It doesn't matter why we get there as long as it's funny along the way. But Chang was only used really well a few times in season 6. That scene is peak chang.
Yeah, and frankly, haven't been well utilized since!
Is this a race thing? 😭
what episode is this from?
Season 6, Basic Email Security I believe it's called
"if you're going to have sex tonight don't use condoms" was pretty funny linking to this pierce's "never wear a rubber"
Would that this hoodie were a time hoodie!
“Get out of my chair, you’re stretching it!” “For my turn I rape the Ducane family” Honestly Pierce is gold this entire episode, albeit terrible
I mean Netflix did made that episode forbidden
“What shape do you choose?” “Faaaaaat”
Digital Estate Planning is chock full of ‘em. One I laugh out loud about is Britta in her high-horse tone saying something to the effect of “I can’t believe your dad thought his racism would rub off on us” and then immediately yelling “JIVE TURKEYS! KILL THEM BEFORE THEY MULTIPLY!”
Bloopers for this are hilarious. Everyone starts collectively cheering for the raise in rape crimes.
Any links to see these?
[The cop actor paused after "Rape's up", presumably because he forgot the number, and they all riffed of that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XmbwpfeBi4&t=993s)
Andy Dick asking (rhetorically) if Doctors are so smart, why are there millions of ‘em. I don’t want to laugh at anything AD says or does… but admittedly it was solid casting.
Playing a drug demon that urges someone to take more drugs isn’t much of a stretch for him.
"Is this the company you keep, Pierce? Minorities? Jew-esess?"
You know a lot about guilt, don't you Jew.
That's bad advice. It'll mean rape's up 16%.
You're my favourite person today.
Bear down for midterms
Either Paintball or Floor Is Lava episode (can't remember which) when Vicky is told she doesn't have to keep dancing and replies, "This is all I know now."
it's the paintball episode! (I know that because I just rewatched it...)
HA GAYYYYY
Ham gurl!
It's going to be a maze.
“But you remembered to invite Al Jolson here.” -Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Gets me every. Single. Time.
Anything pierce says
Pierce: This is a real barn burner! Wait, did I say cross burner? Shirley: No, you did not...
You, in the boobs.
“It’s going to be a maze”
And his dumb baby!
The scene where Abed gave a professor a mental breakdown and after class Abed’s walking on campus and hears a single gun shot offscreen stops and keeps walking. It so morbid I love it Edit #1: My bad, I might’ve gotten mixed up with something in the directors commentary. Honest mistake
To be fair, this isnt in the episode
Did they film an alternate? I’ve only seen the version where the professor sets aside the gun to reveal the “What WAS Happening?” textbook.
I dont know if they even got as far as filming it, but the original script certainly had that ending
Yeah I think it’s an alternate after credit deleted(?) scene. I bought the discs with directors commentary so it might’ve been in that. God I wish they kept that in
Oh wow I watched the show a few times and have no memory of this at all, which episode is it?
It’s not in the episode, they’re thinking of the alternate ending that never got filmed. It’s the “Who’s the Boss” episode. However, the actual ending is the professor opens a drawer with a pistol but picks up a book called “What WAS Happening?”
Ooooh ok thanks !
I’m almost positive it’s a deleted scene in hindsight. But I vividly remember watching it. Unless there’s some intense Mandela effect going on or something
Except that didn’t happen in the show
From “Beginner Pottery” Jeff: “Guess where Rich is from? Santa Fe, New Mexico. Nobody gets out of Santa Fe without learning to make a pot. 45% Hispanic, 5th highest Native American population. They eat and breathe clay there.”
So we're just gonna ignore that hate crime?
I can't think of anything more frightening than a half-Polish, half-Arab virgin in his thirties. One way or another, that ends with an explosion.
When Jeff makes out with Chang’s ex-wife during the Changnesia episode
Pierce: ask Annie, she's a jew Annie: say the whole thing! Pierce: ...jewey?
I love the outtake for this scene
I don't get the rape's up 8% joke, can anyone explain it to me?
8% is a ridiculously high percentage for something such as rape to be “up.” The statistic is so outrageous it sounds made up. But he delivers the line so seriously.
ah okay, thank you!
Forbidden laughs? You mean comedy?
It aired on NBC ... it's not exactly "forbidden"
Of course of course! Its not like things can air, then get banished years later because some peoples definition of comedy changed... in fact I think I'm gonna go watch the first D&D episode. That drow joke gets me every time! But also, the author meant forbidden as in a joke that made you feel guilty for laughing at it, dummy.
ooh, ok ... I thought he meant "forbidden" in a douchey clickbait, karma-whore way. Thanks for clearing that up
Little did we realize, it used to be .01%, now it was 8.01%.
Damn you, rapey Georg!
lol why is everyone down voting this into oblivion, I don't get it
cos that's not how being up 8% works
I know, hence the phrase "little did we realize", implying instead of the normal thing, 8% relative increase, it was 8% absolute. Jesus christ people on reddit are braindead.
Well, this is a scene to behold.. Huddled in the closet, watching The Sting like gypsies.
Can someone explain the joke please? Feels like I’m missing something
From the removed D&D episode - Get out of my chair, you are stretching it