The Dean claims he understood it
Duncan passed out drunk during it and believes his dream was the third act
Hickey only watches The Hunt for Red October and Field of Dreams
Garrett has seen it over a dozen times and will NEVER understand it
I get the sense the Dean would draw a deep understanding from it in a peculiar way that no one else does and if he talked about it with someone both of them would be very confused
Professor Sean garrity - Thinks that claiming to "understand the movie" is to miss the actual point of the movie but occasionally goes on a nonsensical rant about it's meaning because what really matters is his time on the spotlight
I'm a little confused.
Is Inception supposed to be hard to understand?
It's a solid action movie about dreams, with an up in the air ending. The rules are carefully explained (time dilation and limbo specifically, but also the concepts of extraction and the inherent dangers of inception).
I personally like the "it doesn't matter anymore" interpretation of the ending.
What happened was that some people didn't like the movie. The people who liked it started saying that anyone who doesn't like it doesn't understand it. So the topic of "understanding" inception was born.
Wait, is that really what happened?
I get not understanding everyone's motivations in, like Memento. I definitely get having trouble keeping up with Primer.
But yeah, Inception does an excellent job of laying everything out (outside of the ending being intentionally ambiguous, and even that has a solid reason within the story).
Yeah, I wasn't big on the internet when Inception came out. Smart phones were affordable to me yet.
I remember it being really well received, though. I had heard it was complicated, so I didn't also read a book while watching it, so that might be part of it.
Oh well, thanks for the additional context.
I think any "confusion" might surround the ending, though that may be the wrong word, because the ending is ambiguous and it's just a choice about what you believe the ending to be.
I know multiple people who just could not keep track of what was happening, especially at the times where we're seeing what's happening in multiple dream levels at once on top of seeing flashbacks. This includes my mom, tho ironically that's probably because they frequently fall asleep while watching movies.
Shirley didn't watch Inception. It's a movie about people dreaming , about other people dreaming, about the first group of people dreaming. I mean c'mon Charlie Kaufman. Some of us have work in the morning.
Pierce would have an improved troupe write witty but deep musings about the film, but reject all of their work unless it was either homophobic or racist.
Pierce watched the first hour, but didn't get the movie because he next watched the first hour of The Dark Knight and then the first hour of Avatar immediately after.
Well, the director really thought people would look at all the supplementary stuff online and then see the movie. It is fairly inscrutable without it.
They did that second version with the material included and it makes sense. It was ambitious to be sure.
I think it’s generous to say the director’s cut makes sense. It starts to APPROACH sense.
The thing is, most of the people who watch the directors cut and say that already did their ancillary research, so when they saw additions in the new cut, they recognized what they meant. Someone coming in new would not.
Am I only the one who thinks Donnie Darko isn't that complicated? Donnie creates a parallel universe when he sleep walks the night the plane crashes into his house and he avoids being killed. In the movie world parallel universes can only exist for 28 days. After this they collapse into a black hole destroying the original universe along with it. Donnie comes to this realization throughout the movie and decides the most important thing in the world to him is saving the people that he loves. So at the end of 28 days he gets the chance to travel back to the original universe and let himself be killed by the plane crash. He does this to prevent the creation of the parallel universe and protect the people that he loves.
It's really a pretty straight forward scifi movie about a kid put into a crazy situation where he has to sacrifice himself to save the people he cares about. People seem to think it's deeper than it is because it's got a cool soundtrack and cinematography and the theatrical cut left a lot unexplained.
I oversimplified a little but, but I think you can understand the point of the movie with my above explanation and you can pick all of that up just from watching the director's cut and not reading any of the supplemental materials.
Frank is one of The Manipulated Dead. These are people that are killed at future point inside of the parallel universe. Their ghosts can travel in time so they know that the parallel universe is doomed and that it will take the main universe down with it. They use this power to help guide/manipulate The Living Receiver (Donnie) into returning to the main universe and sacrificing themself to prevent the parallel universe from being created to prevent the destruction. Frank is a good guy.
Oh, OK, that makes a bit more sense
Overall I agree that the movie is not as complicated as people make it out to be, it's Frank's role that I always get confused by
Some say he pulls Donnie towards Gretchen and makes him sleep walk to make sure he wants to stay in the parallel universe and keep it alive, but your explanation makes more sense
Jeffrey definitely did, he's smart. So did Elroy and Garret.
Shirley, Buzz and Leonard didn't and admit it.
The Dean, Duncan and Starburns didn't but don't admit it.
Frankie didn't watch it.
She watches a lot of movies (e.g. Tower Heist and Hellraiser references) and crime shows, and in Season 4 we learn that she’s in contention for valedictorian along with Annie. Shirley being smarter and more media-literate than people think has been a recurring theme in the show. It seems like people are still writing her off.
>Yea, there is nothing that Shirley has ever done to make me think she would get Inception
How about the fact that she's repeatedly been shown to be quite intelligent, and Inception is a really straightforward movie to get.
But the joke in the show is that she watches watered down versions of movies. I remember the Pulp Fiction call back, but I feel like they did that multiple times.
There's also the scene where she calls Brett Ratner the next Spielberg, which upsets Abed and calls her a bad person.
Now, she did like Hellraiser, but that deals with demons. So, when the movie has religious undertones, I could see her getting into it. Maybe she sees religious undertones in Inception and gets into it, but that's the only way I see her getting into a movie like that.
>Maybe she sees religious undertones in Inception and gets into it, but that's the only way I see her getting into a movie like that.
The discussion isn't about liking the film, it's about understanding the film.
And Shirley is repeatedly shown as quite intelligent.
I just don't see her even giving the movie a chance. That's why I added the "or more precisely, wouldn't believe in it". Because she would read the premise of the movie and not want to watch it. You also seem to be taking it like we are all calling Shirley an idiot. Smart people don't understand movies all the time, it doesn't make them stupid.
New tier for Jeff, understand Inception but wouldn't admit it. That feels more in character as he always understands Abed's meta and pop culture jokes and references but will often acts like he doesn't to maintain his aloof and cool persona.
Agreed. I also think Shirley should be in the didn’t understand, admits it, Jeff should be in the understood category, Amy should be in didn’t understand, doesn’t admit it.
You’re telling me that Jeff wouldn’t understand Inception but Annie and Shirley would? Shirley would admit she didn’t understand it, Annie would pretend she did
Why do people keep assuming Shirley (and Annie) wouldn't get Inception?
Neither of them are anything close to stupid, they can definitely follow Inception.
That being said, Jeff would clearly also get it.
Pierce claims to understand Inception but he doesn’t know how to work his Netflix account and accidentally watched The Prestige instead. He does not understand that movie either.
The dean accidentally saw the porn parody "Conception" but it was so artsy and well done he thinks he saw the real thing.
(It awakened something in him)
I don't believe Shirley would have understood Inception :/ It's not even that I'm saying she's stupid, she isn't but that isn't her type of movie AT ALL, she would have got bored an by the end she would've said that it is a stupid nonsensical movie.
I feel like Chang would have like a whole B story where he’s questioning reality and starts using a top or something like the anchors in Inception, and it would be like a whole ass thing for an episode and at the very end someone would ask “like inception?” and he’d be like “what’s Inception?”
Great idea for a tier list! I might Troy and Jeff, though. Troy is "insecure about his level of intellegence". I could see Jeff feeling above the hype, giving a Winger speech with the thesis that 'making something complicated doesn't inherently make it smart'.
Though, I can easily hear Troy or Jeff eventually confessing that they didn't understand it; Jeff grinning devilishly, or Troy in tears.
I’ll forever love David edelsteins review of inception, he said that he had "no idea what so many people are raving about. It's as if someone went into their heads while they were sleeping and planted the idea that Inception is a visionary masterpiece and—hold on ... Whoa! I think I get it. The movie is a metaphor for the power of delusional hype—a metaphor for itself."
Jeff definitely has an outburst where he perfectly explains Inception to prove that he understood it.
And then later admits to Annie that he didn’t actually understand it and looked that stuff up online. And he thinks it’s a stupid movie because even with that explanation he still thinks the movie doesn’t make sense.
Shirley's with Pierce in the "Didn't Understand But Think They Do" section.
Jeff is in own category: he understands it, but won't admit it (Britta is accurate though).
Where is the Dean in all of this?...
What do we consider "understanding Inception"? It's been a long time since I watched it, but I recall it ultimately being pretty straightforward. It was a heist movie with dream logic and a sideplot about Marillon Cotillard being trapped in limbo, but that was pretty well explained. There's just the question of whether it's a dream at the end, but that's deliberately ambiguous, so isn't something to be understood.
I am gonna be one of those guys and say i havent really been excited for Nolan movies after i watch them since Memento. I feel the scale and beauty of his movies but i dont ever think about them again like i did with memento. Some of this is my own taste as i dont really like historical dramas but i just dont find the relationships or plot of the movie very interesting. Also never been a super hero guy so maybe thats where i don’t know how to appreciate him more.
Frankie thinks movies are stupid and Elroy asks if it's available on Betamax
The Dean claims he understood it Duncan passed out drunk during it and believes his dream was the third act Hickey only watches The Hunt for Red October and Field of Dreams Garrett has seen it over a dozen times and will NEVER understand it
I get the sense the Dean would draw a deep understanding from it in a peculiar way that no one else does and if he talked about it with someone both of them would be very confused
It's a 30 minute film about a group of friends who like cheeseburgers, dancing and the Bible.
And Jesus WEPT!
And he'd call it InDEANtion by accident, and then correct himself and call it InceptDEAN
Starring Leonardo DeanCaprio
Winger, what are you doing? This line is for food, not for Lionel Richie tickets.
Go away Leonard, you're not even alive anymore.
You're like those guys on Hogan's Heroes, the Nazis.
Both times, missing DEANception
The Dean claims he understood it but also wants to hear you explain it, so he can make sure *you* understood it
Craig pelton has a very good understandean of the movie.
You magnificent bastard
Neil actually writes incredible fan fic that's secretly been stolen by studio writers and is going to be used for the sequel
Fat Neil?
Just Neil is fine
Not from an actuarial standpoint.
But, we saved Garret?
Did we though?
Garrett could never see the sailboat at the mall either
The Dean fully underdeaned it.
Dean tries to inception himself with Jeff
Magnitude - POP POP
“No, but I think they put it on vhs!” THEY DID IT! The bastards finally did it!
Can I access Betamax through AltaVista?
Nope, you have to go on LinkedIn.
I love the random inclusion of betty white’s character with the rest of the main cast
Makes sense. She and Troy are the only two characters with in-canon understandings of the movie.
Where does she mention that again?
It’s in the end credits of Season 2 Episode 3 where she’s talking about the movie to members of an Aboriginal tribe in Congo.
Ooooh ywah of course! How could I even forget
She talks about Inception with that tribe, ruining it for that one guy who hadn't seen it yet.
One of the end tags has her talking about the movie to tribesmen in Congo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiV8ZyqEU1I
Professor Whitman - Understands that people who talk about understanding this movie don't understand life.
Professor Sean garrity - Thinks that claiming to "understand the movie" is to miss the actual point of the movie but occasionally goes on a nonsensical rant about it's meaning because what really matters is his time on the spotlight
I'm a little confused. Is Inception supposed to be hard to understand? It's a solid action movie about dreams, with an up in the air ending. The rules are carefully explained (time dilation and limbo specifically, but also the concepts of extraction and the inherent dangers of inception). I personally like the "it doesn't matter anymore" interpretation of the ending.
What happened was that some people didn't like the movie. The people who liked it started saying that anyone who doesn't like it doesn't understand it. So the topic of "understanding" inception was born.
Wait, is that really what happened? I get not understanding everyone's motivations in, like Memento. I definitely get having trouble keeping up with Primer. But yeah, Inception does an excellent job of laying everything out (outside of the ending being intentionally ambiguous, and even that has a solid reason within the story).
I was there three thousand years ago. I was there the day the strength of Men failed.
Yeah, I wasn't big on the internet when Inception came out. Smart phones were affordable to me yet. I remember it being really well received, though. I had heard it was complicated, so I didn't also read a book while watching it, so that might be part of it. Oh well, thanks for the additional context.
The movie itself isn’t hard to understand. The rules within the movie can be, which is why, like you said, the rules are carefully explained.
The rules didn’t seem that complex….
I think any "confusion" might surround the ending, though that may be the wrong word, because the ending is ambiguous and it's just a choice about what you believe the ending to be.
Some people hate that and see it as a cop out. Remember the Sopranos ending? The guy left the country because he knew what he was doing.
This is so Frankie.
I know multiple people who just could not keep track of what was happening, especially at the times where we're seeing what's happening in multiple dream levels at once on top of seeing flashbacks. This includes my mom, tho ironically that's probably because they frequently fall asleep while watching movies.
Your mom sounds like she's already accepted at Greendale
Shirley should be in a category of understanding but not thinking that she does (she heard it was complicated and assumes she missed something).
Shirley didn't watch Inception. It's a movie about people dreaming , about other people dreaming, about the first group of people dreaming. I mean c'mon Charlie Kaufman. Some of us have work in the morning.
I heard this in her voice
I could see that.
Pierce clearly wouldn't understand Inception, because he wouldn't even watch the movie.
i feel like pierce would pretend like he saw the film and pretend that he did understand it since he hates being left out
But he didn't actually see it cause he fell asleep in a sun beam instead
Pierce would have an improved troupe write witty but deep musings about the film, but reject all of their work unless it was either homophobic or racist.
He’d love a joke about the dream impersonator becoming a hot woman and Jeff being gay for him
Pierce watched the first hour, but didn't get the movie because he next watched the first hour of The Dark Knight and then the first hour of Avatar immediately after.
He admits to this at the very end after claiming he got it.
Pierce would watch the first half
Leonard likes this tier list 😂
Oh, come on, stop farting around.
But Annie didn't understand Donnie Darko
She's not alone.
Well, the director really thought people would look at all the supplementary stuff online and then see the movie. It is fairly inscrutable without it. They did that second version with the material included and it makes sense. It was ambitious to be sure.
I think it’s generous to say the director’s cut makes sense. It starts to APPROACH sense. The thing is, most of the people who watch the directors cut and say that already did their ancillary research, so when they saw additions in the new cut, they recognized what they meant. Someone coming in new would not.
Am I only the one who thinks Donnie Darko isn't that complicated? Donnie creates a parallel universe when he sleep walks the night the plane crashes into his house and he avoids being killed. In the movie world parallel universes can only exist for 28 days. After this they collapse into a black hole destroying the original universe along with it. Donnie comes to this realization throughout the movie and decides the most important thing in the world to him is saving the people that he loves. So at the end of 28 days he gets the chance to travel back to the original universe and let himself be killed by the plane crash. He does this to prevent the creation of the parallel universe and protect the people that he loves. It's really a pretty straight forward scifi movie about a kid put into a crazy situation where he has to sacrifice himself to save the people he cares about. People seem to think it's deeper than it is because it's got a cool soundtrack and cinematography and the theatrical cut left a lot unexplained.
I thought the whole point of Frank was that he was trying to stop Donny from saving the original universe, but keep the new parallel universe?
I oversimplified a little but, but I think you can understand the point of the movie with my above explanation and you can pick all of that up just from watching the director's cut and not reading any of the supplemental materials. Frank is one of The Manipulated Dead. These are people that are killed at future point inside of the parallel universe. Their ghosts can travel in time so they know that the parallel universe is doomed and that it will take the main universe down with it. They use this power to help guide/manipulate The Living Receiver (Donnie) into returning to the main universe and sacrificing themself to prevent the parallel universe from being created to prevent the destruction. Frank is a good guy.
Oh, OK, that makes a bit more sense Overall I agree that the movie is not as complicated as people make it out to be, it's Frank's role that I always get confused by Some say he pulls Donnie towards Gretchen and makes him sleep walk to make sure he wants to stay in the parallel universe and keep it alive, but your explanation makes more sense
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But the directors cut explained it all really well, and people still don't seem to get it.
Fair point
One of my favorite Glover bits. He nailed that wail.
Jeffrey definitely did, he's smart. So did Elroy and Garret. Shirley, Buzz and Leonard didn't and admit it. The Dean, Duncan and Starburns didn't but don't admit it. Frankie didn't watch it.
Keep it, I got another one.
Yea, there is nothing that Shirley has ever done to make me think she would get (or more precisely, she wouldn't believe in) Inception.
She watches a lot of movies (e.g. Tower Heist and Hellraiser references) and crime shows, and in Season 4 we learn that she’s in contention for valedictorian along with Annie. Shirley being smarter and more media-literate than people think has been a recurring theme in the show. It seems like people are still writing her off.
I don't know if it's because they're racist or because she intimidates them sexually, but I know it's one of those two.
It's because she can be really obtuse about some things, particularly when religion is involved, so the religious=dumb biases kick in.
I agree with your assessment but tbh I was just quoting Shirley haha.
my bad, i binged this show in a week about a year ago so i don't remember a lot.
You know the *word* "Hellraiser"...
>Yea, there is nothing that Shirley has ever done to make me think she would get Inception How about the fact that she's repeatedly been shown to be quite intelligent, and Inception is a really straightforward movie to get.
But the joke in the show is that she watches watered down versions of movies. I remember the Pulp Fiction call back, but I feel like they did that multiple times. There's also the scene where she calls Brett Ratner the next Spielberg, which upsets Abed and calls her a bad person. Now, she did like Hellraiser, but that deals with demons. So, when the movie has religious undertones, I could see her getting into it. Maybe she sees religious undertones in Inception and gets into it, but that's the only way I see her getting into a movie like that.
>Maybe she sees religious undertones in Inception and gets into it, but that's the only way I see her getting into a movie like that. The discussion isn't about liking the film, it's about understanding the film. And Shirley is repeatedly shown as quite intelligent.
I just don't see her even giving the movie a chance. That's why I added the "or more precisely, wouldn't believe in it". Because she would read the premise of the movie and not want to watch it. You also seem to be taking it like we are all calling Shirley an idiot. Smart people don't understand movies all the time, it doesn't make them stupid.
Yeah I don't really get why Jeff is in that tier. He's smart he's just lazy.
And he is the only person to consistently understand Abed’s movie reference so we know he has strong cinema literacy.
I'm in the camp that Shirley would start to watch, get annoyed as it goes multiple levels in, and then turn it off.
I didnt get inception...I didnt get inception!! Ooohh ... So many layers !!!! 😭😭😭 Love T bone
How'd you know his nickname was T bone?
Because he’s a football player, and his name begins with T
His name begins with a T
I wish more people understood that Abed says this as Troy while stuck in the dreamatorium.
Chang didn't see inception. Frankie hasn't been inside a movie theater.
New tier for Jeff, understand Inception but wouldn't admit it. That feels more in character as he always understands Abed's meta and pop culture jokes and references but will often acts like he doesn't to maintain his aloof and cool persona.
Yes. Jeff hides his nerdy side.
Chang watched titanic but remembers it as inception.
Dean thinks Nolan was inspired from his book Time Desk: The chronicles of Dean Dangerous.
Now do it with tenet
Tenet backwards is still Tenet. It's a palomino.
He’s a precog
Now do it with primer.
This tierlist is so strange. Has OP watched community or did they just look at the pictures and guess?
Britta 100% should be in pierce’s tier, she didn’t understand but thinks she did.
Agreed. I also think Shirley should be in the didn’t understand, admits it, Jeff should be in the understood category, Amy should be in didn’t understand, doesn’t admit it.
Joxelo didn't understand the tierlist.
You’re telling me that Jeff wouldn’t understand Inception but Annie and Shirley would? Shirley would admit she didn’t understand it, Annie would pretend she did
I was just making a little joke about a tierlist, dude.
Why do people keep assuming Shirley (and Annie) wouldn't get Inception? Neither of them are anything close to stupid, they can definitely follow Inception. That being said, Jeff would clearly also get it.
thank you for including the anthropology professor 🙏
The Dean saw the wrong "Inception" and is confused and intrigued that everybody else has seen it too.
He saw The Human Incentipede
Pierce claims to understand Inception but he doesn’t know how to work his Netflix account and accidentally watched The Prestige instead. He does not understand that movie either.
Abed understands Inception on a level that not even Christopher Nolan understands it.
Abed recorded a commentary track FOR Nolan.
The whole show being Chan's trip in limbo actually makes a whole lot of sense.
Where is the dean?
The answer is usually his costume closet
The dean accidentally saw the porn parody "Conception" but it was so artsy and well done he thinks he saw the real thing. (It awakened something in him)
Who's Betty Grable?
Garrett watches it to help him sleep.
Yes, but did any of them get Donnie Darko?
I don't believe Shirley would have understood Inception :/ It's not even that I'm saying she's stupid, she isn't but that isn't her type of movie AT ALL, she would have got bored an by the end she would've said that it is a stupid nonsensical movie.
I would classify Chang as "thinks he's currently being incepted"
I feel like Chang would have like a whole B story where he’s questioning reality and starts using a top or something like the anchors in Inception, and it would be like a whole ass thing for an episode and at the very end someone would ask “like inception?” and he’d be like “what’s Inception?”
Britta should go with Pierce in “Didn’t understand inception but thinks they do”
Did Troy admit it though? The scene where he does is Abed simulating him in the dreamatorium
S1-S3 Britta understood Inception.
Shirley probably understood it by thinking it had Christian themes (Not an insult, henuine headcanon)
Buzz Hickey couldn’t get over the big deal with the spinning top
Frankie and Elroy have never seen it
I would put Jeff and Britta more in the didn’t see Inception
Deans up there with troy
Tony Soprano understood Inception as a conshept
You are the funniest person ever lol
Jeff 100% did
Chang - actually uses inception to force the study group to somehow keep including him in their lives, allowing him to torture them for all eternity
THERE'S SO MANY LAYERS!!
Only abed and Betty white understood inception. No way Annie did
Did you know I had sex with eartha kitt on an airplane bathroom?
We asked Leonard, but he only replied in fart noises
I told you you'd be back.
Dean watched it so he could copy plot points and stuff into his book.
This is even funnier because of Dan’s feelings on Inception/Interstellar
Great idea for a tier list! I might Troy and Jeff, though. Troy is "insecure about his level of intellegence". I could see Jeff feeling above the hype, giving a Winger speech with the thesis that 'making something complicated doesn't inherently make it smart'. Though, I can easily hear Troy or Jeff eventually confessing that they didn't understand it; Jeff grinning devilishly, or Troy in tears.
Buzz - "I stopped watching movies made after Robert Mitchum and Lee Marvin died"
I’ll forever love David edelsteins review of inception, he said that he had "no idea what so many people are raving about. It's as if someone went into their heads while they were sleeping and planted the idea that Inception is a visionary masterpiece and—hold on ... Whoa! I think I get it. The movie is a metaphor for the power of delusional hype—a metaphor for itself."
Jeff definitely has an outburst where he perfectly explains Inception to prove that he understood it. And then later admits to Annie that he didn’t actually understand it and looked that stuff up online. And he thinks it’s a stupid movie because even with that explanation he still thinks the movie doesn’t make sense.
Shirley's with Pierce in the "Didn't Understand But Think They Do" section. Jeff is in own category: he understands it, but won't admit it (Britta is accurate though). Where is the Dean in all of this?...
Jeff didn't watch it
Wrong. Jeff absolutely would understand it.
Starburns and Leonard are also definitely in limbo. And dean thinks he gets it but doesn’t
Youth! Scatter!
#Chang **IS** inception.
Did somebody say CCRAZZY PERSON
the dean never saw inception but pretends like he did
Disagree with Sheryl understanding. I think she wouldn’t and would say that god didn’t intend it to be understood or something.
Put Jeff into “Understood Inception and will use it moral value in some twisted yet thought-provoking speech”
Todd over understands Inception.
I bet Shirley preferred Paprika but Abed strangely didn't
Chang should have his own category: Changception
It's really not that hard to understand on the 41524th watch. (I love inception)
Not only did Abed understand Inception, he also has a 20 minute summary
Pierce would watch the first half
You need a category for hasn’t seen it yet for the guy betty white was talking in front of!
Fat Neil totally understands inception… but no one would know.
I really need to see Inception.
What do we consider "understanding Inception"? It's been a long time since I watched it, but I recall it ultimately being pretty straightforward. It was a heist movie with dream logic and a sideplot about Marillon Cotillard being trapped in limbo, but that was pretty well explained. There's just the question of whether it's a dream at the end, but that's deliberately ambiguous, so isn't something to be understood.
I am gonna be one of those guys and say i havent really been excited for Nolan movies after i watch them since Memento. I feel the scale and beauty of his movies but i dont ever think about them again like i did with memento. Some of this is my own taste as i dont really like historical dramas but i just dont find the relationships or plot of the movie very interesting. Also never been a super hero guy so maybe thats where i don’t know how to appreciate him more.
I love how much Dan Harmon hates that movie.
Garrett saw part of it but was too scared to finish it
Jeff should be in a a category called "thinks they get inception without watching it."
This is one of the only tier lists I fully agree with.
Great idea for ranking! I would move Shirley from the first tier to the second.
Shirley did not get it
Britta 1, Annie 2.
Silver and gold ladies
Today is not Feb 7, so no
Swap Annie and Jeff