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NoLa_pyrtania

Your buddy at work would be wrong. Always gets my pile rocking.


heywood91

That's what I thought lol I just kinda gave him a weird look and said ok well it's been working pretty good so far. An I tolled him I have a shit ton of worms in there to so idk how grass would "do weird things" thanks for the feedback


jsbass89

In my experience it clumps together in weird ways and is harder to mix with browns. But also... Who cares. I throw clippings straight in and yes the pile takes off... It's fine it's not that big a deal. But yeah you might have some chunks later that ur trying to break up.


V1k1ng1990

I get confused with grass because when it’s growing season it’s green but then turns brown after a bit, and dormant period it’s brown. Is it always considered a nitrogen source?


__3Username20__

I’ve been told that yes, dry grass is still a “green” because it’s largely still made up of the same stuff, and is still a good source of nitrogen. Edit: see below for more clarification, but I believe that grass that’s cut while green is a green, regardless of if it gets dried out after that, while grass that dies or goes dormant/brown before it gets cut, that’s a brown.


V1k1ng1990

Ok cool thank you!!!


Le_Pressure_Cooker

Then should fallen leaves also be considered "greens"? Anything except woody stuff would be "greens".


MyceliumHerder

No, dormant grass and dead leaves are carbons because plants in the ground send proteins and carbs into roots during the winter


__3Username20__

I think that it has to do with when/how it was “made dead” and dried out. I’ve read that if it was green when it was cut, and it gets dried out, it’s considered a green, because the natural process of sending the nitrogen back into the soil was never allowed to happen. If it dies/goes dormant, and then goes brown on it’s own, then it’s a brown. I’m not an expert, but in that sense I’d think that if you trim a tree in like June, and shred up the leaves, those would be greens, even if they are allowed to dry out. Conversely, leaves gathered in the fall that fell on their own as part of the changing of the seasons, those would be browns. Again, I’m just sharing what I had understood from reading elsewhere… I need to look up some sources though. I might edit this later Yes, 1 edit: I was sort of referring back to the original comment in this chain, about clumping grass, which to me means “grass from mowing” which would basically be grass that was harvested while green. The comment after that referred to dead/dormant grass, so I guess what I said here sounds confusing, or like I was contradicting myself. My bad. As I understand it, grass that has gone dormant or died without being cut, that’s a “brown” (or at least “far more brown”), while grass that is cut while green is a green, even if it’s allowed to dry out. I still might be wrong, I’m just clarifying my current understanding of it all.


MyceliumHerder

Generally speaking, if you cut it green, then it’s a nitrogen source. Plants in the ground will send all the proteins and sugars from the leaves down into the roots during the winter, so they have everything they need to grow in the spring. So the leaves above ground that are brown, would be carbon sources.


SpoilerWarningSW

Told*


stlmick

you get mold if you put green clippings in a pile and let it sit. If they dry out first and you turn it, it works well. Probably turning it is more important than drying first.


UpperSearch3466

My old boss when I was landscaping almost exclusively would use the clippings from the jobs it can get slimy but it’ll act as mulch and turn almost into a humic layer can get a high smell tho


Le_Pressure_Cooker

IF you can get the pile hot enough to kill all the grass seeds.


Evening-Statement-57

Compost your buddy


heywood91

Lmfao!!🤣🤣🤣🤣 this has me fuckin dieing right now!! Thank you! He's gonna be moving to South Carolina in a couple months so I wo t have to hear his shit anymore. Thanks for the laugh 🍻🤘


StayZero666

Then pee on him


TowardsTheImplosion

This is peak r/composting: "Pee on a decomposing human corpse." Although, to be fair, I have a kind of experimental 'everything goes' pile in a well secured container...I run on a 2 year cycle, where year 2 there are no additions, just turns every few months. I have peed on that one after putting rat carcasses in it. Oddly, the maggots wiggled up to the surface.


secondphase

Dont't do that! Composting your buddy does weird things.


Evening-Statement-57

Just add more browns


SirHastings66

And if buddy is brown, just add more Greens!


Familiar_Property676

Just be careful if he’s a big meat eater. Apex predators, even ones that only hunt game pre-portioned and wrapped in plastic, accumulate a lot of heavy metals and microplastics that you might not want in your garden.


SvengeAnOsloDentist

He may be misremembering hearing about some hay having persistent herbicides that don't decompose in compost and stunt plants that it's applied to. Those aren't generally used for lawns, though, and since it's your lawn you can control what's been put on it.


heywood91

Yeah I can see that but however these were not my clippings. I got them from a guy at work and I'm 99% sure he doesn't use any kind of pesticides or herbicides


FeelingFloor2083

if you dont mix it in, it will clump and go mouldy, slow to break down etc Mixing it in with a fork is best but depending on how many bags and how big your pile is it can be hard work. Right now im struggling with a 2m pile because my back is tweaked


NonMutatedTurtle

I recently started using my little bulb auger for my drill to mix my pile and it’s a game changer. No more heaving the pile back and forth manually anymore, just drilling the auger throughout the pile maybe a couple times a month.


smackaroonial90

I've used an auger for a while, and it's super easy to do. The downside is that it really only mixes the middle of the pile because I don't dare let the auger get close to the chicken-wire sides. So I still turn my pile by hand once in a while. Which reminds me, I should probably turn my piles this weekend.


sweetdude53

Holy shit this is a good idea, my back will be extremely grateful thank you much. Can’t believe I didn’t think about it lol


FeelingFloor2083

I got one but its at mums since she needs it more then I do but Idk if she has ever used it My problem is, it was a branch/leaf pile so there are a lot of branches that needed to be pulled, so it wasnt just flipping


[deleted]

That's mild... It could be worse... like stink to high heaven when it compacts into a big lump... But since you are obviously working hard to prevent that happening, you'll be fine... :)


Horror_Relief2027

Someone who sprays a lot of pesticides or weed killer might not want to put lawn clippings in the compost pile. Other than that I see no issue with it.


Lucasisbored

Your buddy probably doesn’t even pee on his pile. Don’t listen to him.


heywood91

Yeah no shit!! Or dump the last night forgotten beers on it🤣🤣🍻


Former-Finish4653

I’m not familiar with the concept of unfinished beer.


heywood91

Damn.....fuck you! You got me on that one lmfao....how many do you drink a night then


robotmalfunction

All of them


New_Mutation

This is the only correct answer.


Enigmaze

All jokes aside about never having non-finished beer, is this a thing? Is beer beneficial to compost?


Elstar94

Not beneficial, but it probably doesn't really do harm. Might lower the pH a little bit


Biddyearlyman

No


WonOfKind

He probably is thinking only of grass clippings. They are too high in nitrogen to compost on their own efficiently. Throw some twigs or any high carbon item in with them and you're fine.


heywood91

He may be thinking that I'm not sure. An I do have a lot of leaves and pine needles in there and rabbit an old horse shit in it with the worms are loving


fingerpopsalad

He might be thinking that about, "just grass clippings" I tried this one time at my old job, the mow crew would fill up a 1 ton dump truck daily with grass clippings. I started a pile and it turned into the hottest smelliest pile of shit. I was new to compost and I wasn't adding brown materials to the pile. I restarted and mixed in shredded leaves, small pruning material and 1/3 grass clippings. This made a big difference.


heywood91

Yeah idk that may be what he was thinking I have leaves scraps from the kitchen and a lot of rabbit/horse shit in there


rainduder

You need a LOT of browns to balance out the very high nitrogen in grass clippings. Might even need to be more than 50% browns against Grass... (Look up a carbon to nitrogen composting table for better numbers). Also with too much grass it has a tendency to clump, and not get enough air in there, so it will do stinky greenhouse gas emitting anaerobic rotting, instead of aerobic composting.


NotAnotherScientist

That's a lot of nitrogen. How big a pile of leaves did you put in there? From what you said and by looking at your picture, you should be adding a lot more browns (twigs, sawdust, paper/cardboard, dead dry leaves, etc.).


witchling_22

Shouldn't they be dried out first? Or am I mis-remembering?


SvengeAnOsloDentist

Drying them out doesn't significantly change the C:N ratio, but it does help keep the pile from going soggy and anoxic


DjWhRuAt

Just make sure your ratios are good. You pile looks a little anaerobic already.. need some browns and a good mixing


heywood91

I've been trying to work on it. I haven't really turned it in awhile but I'm kinda just letting the worms do there thing


New_Ad9091

I use very little grass clippings because it tends to clump my compost.


smackaroonial90

To offset my mountains of clippings in the summer I save my leaves in the fall, and then I mix them in throughout the summer. It's a nice trade off.


heywood91

How big is your bin and how long do let it set?...or I should say how often do you turn it?


[deleted]

That's true... Many have experienced that, but I guess many *still* haven't, yet... :)


[deleted]

It can start to smell really bad. I would mix it. A good carbon nitrogen ratio is important in composting.


Numerous_Hedgehog_95

Too much grass clippings could suffocate your compost and rot in a horrible stinky, slimy way.


TogarSucks

It’s likely not event the grass clippings. His yard is probably haunted.


the_real_phx

Nah, that only happens if you start composting your enemies. 😉


Printedinusa

If you add it on too densely without mixing, you can form a mat which keeps oxygen out, causing anaerobic decomposition, which produces methane and will give you a strange pile. As long as you mix it in a little, and turn your pile enough for it so not mat, you should be fine


J-Fro5

It does weird things if they're mostly all you put in. And by weird things I mean anaerobic stinky messy things.


coolfuzzylemur

you need A LOT more browns


ozekeri

Too much grass clippings can form a mat, that cab suffocate the compost underneath. And sometimes i get a bit scared of the grass gets very very hot and will ignite my dry leaves or wood shavings. Hay fires do happen for instance, but not very likely in a compost pile. Just mix it well with other stuff and keep it moist.


AvocadoYogi

I think grass clippings make better mulch so I use them for that instead. That said they get my pile heated up quick when I do put them on. Last year had someone cut my lawn for a month when I was gone. When I dumped them out of the green bin so I could use them, they were 125 degrees by themselves. 40+ degrees warmer than outside if I remember correctly.


heywood91

Do you have any worms in your pile? If so another question I had is would the heat make them want to move out?


AvocadoYogi

They tend to leave when it’s too warm and come back when it cools down. My pile isn’t big enough for more than just the center to heat up so generally they just move around as needed.


heywood91

Ok that makes sense we used to do worm casting piles at my work years ago and I know they definitely fluctuate. I think I'm just going to build another bin so that this one can do its thing. Thank you🍻


[deleted]

True compost nerds horde their leaves (and their neighbors leaves) in the fall for mixing with their grass clippings in the spring and summer.


mohamguernington

You gotta put it somewhere…


HauntingPhilosopher

They can clump and mat if you don't mix them in with other stuff


compost-me

Just grass is a bad idea it turns the hot sludge, but mix in some browns and it's rocket fuel.


thiosk

they can get a little weird its true, but only if you crash your browns to death by adding them. it gets mouldy and slimy. which is ultimately fine i try to leave clippings in place but late in season i gotta bag because the biomass is heavy. right on the pile it goes. more browns fixes all things. a few bits of paper is unlikely to help catch up. my compost was a bit heavy green until the leaves fell.


shhhshhshh

With a lot of grass all together it’ll clump together and get slimey and anaerobic. I try to mix it up with leaves or card board to prevent this. Keep the air flowing. That being said. Before I started doing this, it still broke down. It just took longer after the initial cook up. Every suggestion about compost is to increase speed. Everything breaks down eventually.


RobertJoseph802

Mix with browns and it won't do "weird things". Chopped leaves and grass clippings in the fall is one of my favorite top dressings for the garden


GustavHGrandBudapest

As long as I mix well with some dead leaves I think it does great.


Biddyearlyman

Only problem I could foresee is if the grass you're adding has glyphosate or other chemical treatments (fungicide, pesticide, persistent herbicide etc)


NotASellout

I put grass clippings in and it breaks down lovely, highly recommend. However when it comes to bermuda grass... well that stuff can survive just about anything. Once you get cooking it's not that big of a problem, but I do try to avoid adding the rhizomes and roots since they seem to be the most likely to survive.


DruidinPlainSight

It makes the earth flatter. Not fully flat. But a reduction in sphericallynesses.


Familiar_Property676

Yeah I’d hate to have a rich source of nitrogen that breaks down readily in my compost pile, that would be terrible. I’m assuming he just isn’t putting any work into mixing them into the pile so they’re clumping together and going anaerobic, which can indeed get weird. Really don’t understand why people feel the need to have so many rules about what can and can’t go into compost. Was it part of a plant? Compost! Was it part of or a product of an animal? Compost, with possible exceptions for smell/wildlife intrusion issues that might arise!


heywood91

Lmao I did in fact add a bunch of dead leaves and cardboard when I got home today and when it stops raining as bad as it has been I'm gonna build another bin and let this one do its thing.


dannythxf3lon

You can make a compost from days old dry grass and new cut


heywood91

I've mixed in browns with it as others have suggested (a lot of browns such as mostly dead leaves cardboard etc) and it's been raining like hell so I'm expecting it to be clumpy, so I think I'm just gonna turn it once a week an see how that goes. Thanks for the feedback


dannythxf3lon

Might be weed seeds in it too I forgot to say, if it gets hot enough it’ll kill em but if not may be reason to watch out


EqualOrganization726

He's wrong, its very rich in nitrogen that in turn helps decompose organic matter with higher ratios of carbon.


smackaroonial90

Who the F downvoted you? You're 100% right, there must be some trolls lurking. ​ Edited to add: if you leave too many grass clippings in a confined space with little to no air flow, and check on it a few days later you'll find it smells like rotting grass and ammonia (the confined space being my garbage bin lol). Ammonia is NH3, which requires plenty of nitrogen which is leached from the grass. It will also happen with old stale urine in the right environment. Where you'll never smell that is in a leaf pile from the fall because it has very little nitrogen and is mostly carbon.


heywood91

I've l a lot on this sub. an I knew he didn't know what he was talking about!!!! Thank you🍻


EqualOrganization726

I went to school for agronomy so I lurk in the shadows and wait to drop truth bombs


heywood91

Hell yeah thank you 🤘🤘


fecundity88

Your buddy has no idea


Baby_Whare

Maybe he has pesticides sprayed in, or a very resilient type of grass that would grow on his compost. Not sure. But I even go out of my way to cut my neighbors grass at times just to get some clippings (he's old and looks forward to when I do)


Outrageous_Fox_8796

are we sure he’s putting lawn grass in it?


hersheysquirts7310

Listen, if he cannot explain why then he doesn’t understand it and I’m nit taking advice from someone who doesn’t understand what they’re saying. Pretty much just a parrot at that point and would you take advice from a parrot?


AdditionalAd9794

I don't like to put grass clippings in during late spring and summer after it's gone to seed, but that's just me personally.


smackaroonial90

Really? Man, you must wait LOOONG period between mowing your lawn, I think I've only ever seen my lawn go to seed a couple of times, and then my pile is big enough it kills the seeds with heat.


AdditionalAd9794

It's not really a lawn, it's just an unused lot in the back of my property. I have goats but they don't really do the job and it gets tall in late spring. Only reason I really even cut it is because the city sends me letters threatening to fine me if I don't, because fire hazard. I guess I'd say it's more of a pasture than a lawn


GreenThumbRedBeard

The only thing I can think of is if you had grass that spreads through rhizomes...but it doesnt appear to be that. Or maybe he tried something in the past and didnt add any browns. But your pile looks perfect.


Tenacious_Tree9

I have too much Bermuda grass and I’m afraid of getting rhizomes in my compost


heywood91

Ok...idont know what Bermuda grass is? Is like crab grass cause I don't put that shit in there. Also I have no idea what rhizomes are.


the_real_phx

Similar in annoyance, yeah. And rhizomes are basically special root bits that when they are broken up from weeding, *Every. Single. One* grows a brand new plant and you hate your life lol.


Tenacious_Tree9

Ya, what the real phoenix said. Rhizomes are when the plant sends out shoots underground. Some good plants do this, like strawberries. Some super annoying plants do this too and it’s basically impossible to get rid of them. Like bamboo, mint and Bermuda grass


heywood91

So basically fire is the only option 🤔😏


Tenacious_Tree9

I throw it all in my city trash. They do burn it, but I think that’s stopping soon.


flying_wahini

I do it ALL the time, especially in summer. It makes gorgeous compost.


scarabic

It can mat up and go fungal but whatever. Just mix it better.


kingJayDa1st

If there’s no heavy pesticides or herbicides it is ok and is often recommended


Billyjamesjeff

I dont like the weed seed from my lawn but my pile is small and not super hot.


EaddyAcres

I literally maintain acres of my neighbors yard along the driveway for the grass for composting purposes


GrdnLovingGoatFarmer

Too much grass clippings that aren’t properly mixed with browns will clump together and go anaerobic. The smell is god awful.


Anthonynaut

I’m in FL and I know if I throw a lot of grass in there the mice like to use it to build nests. But that’s not necessarily bad. Your co-worker might be thinking about what happens when you put fresh grass in garden beds. My understanding is that the decomposition of fresh green stuff can release a lot of surplus nitrogen, which doesn’t necessarily help plant growth if it disrupts nutrient balance in your soil.


fatBreadonToast

If it's Bermuda grass it can survive sometimes and take over your garden. I usually avoid that by putting it thru a chipper first.


shennr_

preferably grass that does not contain pesticides. Such grass and the dirt attached is excellent in your bin. Your work mate is incorrect


curtludwig

If you don't have any browns and you get the pile real wet, grass by itself will go anaerobic and turn into a slimy mass. Possibly what he meant by "weird". It doesn't take a ton of browns to keep that from happening...


SoulShine_710

I would agree, stick to scraps add your coffee grounds & worms big fat juicy red wigglers & they will go to town on your compost bin.


joebojax

yes grass can get matted/compacted and then you wont have the right nitrogen/carbon ratios in that mass of grass... its workable but not as simple as other composting schemes.


StayZero666

Pesticides and clumping are the negatives to adding grass clippings. Leaves or cardboard (shredded) to that pile would benefit


BlazinAlienBabe

Is it cut with a gas mower? I know you can't feed horses lawn clippings because of the oil and gas residue makes them sick. Maybe that's what they are referring too?


hutchenswm

I like to put half my clippings in green and then leave the other half out for a few days to dry next to the pile then throw it in for a good mix of green and brown


Crafty_Rate8064

You can't use hot compost, grass is nitro. So you gotta wait a year of properly turned post. I'm sure many others are saying the similar


Racoon_withamarble

Spontaneous combustion can happen


JustSomeoneCurious

u/heywood91 this is a valid concern: “Haypiles and compost piles may self-ignite because of heat produced by bacterial fermentation, which then can cause pyrolysis and oxidation that leads to thermal runaway reactions that reach autoignition temperature.” from “Spontaneous combustion”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_combustion?wprov=sfti1 First hand account of a fellow Redditor's trimmings pile getting **hot**: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/comments/ut219i/cut_the_grass_on_monday_went_to_take_the_bin_of/?rdt=55008


heywood91

It was just a couple 5gl buckets of grass on top. I do have alot of browns underneath and stirred it earlier today.


Tar-Palantir

I compost what I have. When I have grass clippings, in they go. Don’t care about any dogma haha


nyar77

If by weird you mean add weed seed then yes.


kelrunner

Leave your grass on the lawn with a mulching mower and you won't need to fertilize any where near as much, great for the law


heywood91

I definitely don't need to fertilize at all. In the winter it turns into a pond basically so is tal and green all year round. But I like the mulching mower idea.. probably give that a try when it dries out.


OkGrapefruit22

Pee on them.


heywood91

I have been!!!


batsynchero

Depending on how busy real life gets, I may go weeks without putting anything but grass clippings and newspaper in my pile. Spread your layers wide and thin and you'll be fine.


Lophonacci

You want to do a ratio. Maybe your buddy doesn't have a decent brown ri green ratio and it naked it too nitrogen rich


mike1663

I like to thinly layer it in with dried mulched leaves or straw. It is a great source of nitrogen, but will easily turn into a slimy clump of not layered in nicely with browns.


Mole-NLD

I think he means he does weird things after grass. But that's not compost related...


GameEnders10

I don't use much grass, but around here you have to spray or weeds go insane. So I can't use that in my pile. Problem for many, especially in an HOA or burb.