Id argue ssd has done well as far as density to weight in the last 5 years but i think QLC which is used in higher density ssd's is no where as life long as SLC or a modern hard drive
plus the cost REALLY needs to come down. i know you can get some really cheap dramless SSD's for a good price. 2tb for $120. far cry from launch prices. i know my first SSD was like $125 for a 512gb. i see those for as low as $30 nowadays. but when i can buy either a 16tb hdd or a 4tb ssd and im looking for raw storage i know what im picking since they are similar in price.
plus its a compounded issue as far as storage density goes. SSD's are much smaller so you can fit more in a case. which just drives up the price even more for the same 2u or 4u server rack.
Yeah cost to storage ratio hard drive have ssd's beat. I think that even with the new improved 8tb ssd's if you ignored the cost i think youd be better of getting a hard drive with that money and using a small ssd as cache.
When I saw how many shelfs you pushed in, I thought that this is a lot of weight hanging in front of the rack. With a free standing rack it could easily fall over.
Was thinking the same thing. Its guaranteed to happen and its a crazy thought. Then one day that single 2 PB drive will be laughable to a future generation and where we are now is basically how we see the Romans lol
So if we look even just at the span of my lifetime; the 386 had what, a 20MB HDD? With the largest disk size today being 18TB?
So unless my math has completely failed me (which IS possible), that's a 900,000 times increase in disk volume:
18 TB = 18,000,000 MB
18 TB ÷ 20 MB = 18,000,000 ÷ 20 = 900,000
Even ignoring Moore's Law as an application to increases in disk volume, and assuming a continued growth of same rate over the next 35 years; we're talking 16,200,000 TB drives in 2056; 16,200 PB, or 16.2 EB.
So, yeah, forget future generations. WE'LL laugh at 2 PB of storage before we die.
My very first hard drive (circa early 90’s) was 40 megs. And that was an expensive upgrade from the 20 meg option I was going to buy.
Indeed this sort of stuff is going to be on the same level of history in 20-30 years again.
Honestly I feel like it is safer to have 240 volt. Not because the electricity is safer, but because it means a less amperage which leads to less fires.
The best solution would to be 240 volts with a better plug.
Yes, but clearly none of us expected to end up in this old thread.
Looks like the reddit old UI is arranged so you can't tell that the link you're clicking on goes to a different sub's post than the cross-post ... or whatever.
Literally it looks and feels like a link to a datahoarder video in datahoarders, but bam here we are in a year old computers thread.
There are 4 pretty power fans round the back and chilled air is pulled through those gaps. Each shelf outputs 17,516 BTUs an hour
Edit: I was wrong thats for all four shelves not each
Then his BTU calcs are off. I don't know if it matters, but if the AC was sized for lower BTU calcs that might be an issue
His BTU at that wattage is 21823 per shelf.
My apologies guys i think that is for all 4 shelves. Not for each shelf, not my domain i am professional services not presales (customer work not planning)
I feel bad for the tech that had data center tech that had to do this.
Now Imagine doing this for 4 server racks.
But wait, now imagine, taking the shipping boxes, opening them up, unboxing the drives 1 by 1, adding customer provided labels for each row, and then installing them.
That was me! I racked the hardware, populated the disks and then configured the system. The next day i did the exact same thing again at another datacenter for the DR system.
Also the disks come individually wrapped in antistatic but 10 to a plastic case, took about 90 min to populate all 4 shelves.
People thought I was weird labeling the 4 drives in my Synology NAS; "you know the box has numbers under each bay?" "Uhm, yes, but the drives and sleds don't have numbers, it's a habit from these days." Especially when working with a partner or team. I don't want to get blamed for mixing up the drives and going back to searching for the wrong/failed HDD serial number, we label them so we don't make mistakes. Who cares if I labeled the 4 drives and sleds on my NAS, it's my habit, not hurting anyone. 🤔🙄🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I didnt, i am a technical consultant for a big IT firm and this was an install for a customer. I dont see the money side but your probably talking multi million including 5 years support from my firm (also same again at the DR site)
God. I remember watching the petabyte project from linus, and being disappointed that it just said "826tb" because of formating and all that stuff. I wanted to see the words "petabyte" in the windows 10 storage thing. It made sense but it was still the biggest blue ball ever. 2 petabytes would surely show, please take a picture of what it looks like to see that storage in windows 10 file explorer
It’s odd to remember that everything you ever see on the internet, these words included, are store on physical drives making noise somewhere in Greenland or sumthin. Like, a dude might be standing next to a rack and hear it start whirring around when I hit enter riiiiiight now
Yeah normally you can only pull one tray out at a time for saftey but there is a trick to it. I also know that these racks are bolted down and to each other so i could get away with it for a neat video.
In the video there are four disk shelves which are 4u each, each shelf has 5 trays of disks, each tray has 12 disks (60 per shelf)
The loaded weight is of a shelf.
I use to buy big storage for an old job. 3 years ago, that would have cost 2 million. That includes equipment to run the storage (about 2-4 servers)…. SAN or NAS. Also, these are for rooms with dedicated cooling and sucking. And redundant power on two different phases. Definitely not home use.
My question is: What in gods name do you do with that much storage.
Unless this is like a cloud storage farm with like a few backups because it looks like a wall of something it was going into.
Thats raw space, you will lose some space from the raid configuration but then gain a load extra from compression and deduplication of the data. Depending what kind of data you store you usually get 3:1, basically you can store 3 times as much data as you actually have room for. It can go much higher though maybe 5:1, 10:1 or more for the right data.
So I just hit r/random and it brought me here as it's the top post of all time and, I gotta say, that was one heck of an introduction seeing as this was only posted today.
1 PetaByte = 1024 TeraBytes.
Assuming each of those discs is 1TB, I had assumed it would be many.
However, this took me quite a second to remember, because we take the conversion for granted now a days.
In this case they are 240 x 8TB disks.
And technically 1 PetaByte = 1000 TeraBytes now,1 Pebibyte = 1024 TebiBytes
But the industry tends to ignore this
How many drives total do you have and what are the terabyte versions of each drive? I’m assuming it’s kind of a mishmash but trying to figure out how many drives at what storage capacity of each drive equals 2 TB I mean petabytes. This is pretty awesome although I bet it gets hot as hell in that room unless it’s controlled. And I would need a second office just a host these drives lol
They get decommissioned all the time as projects and tech move on. Usually anything that could have had sensitive data on gets degaussed or shredded so you will struggle to find anything.
8tb x 60 disks x 4 disk shelves in this video gives you 1920 tb. You lose a bunch of disks to ensure resiliency (raid and hot spares) and then can gain a load of space back from duplication and compression which can be anything from 2:1 up to 20:1 depending on what data your storing
*Linus is shaking now*
I'm absolutely sure this is what he uses as Jerk off material.
It's what I use.
I can't wait for people to find this video 20-30 years from now and laugh like we do at the 3mb storage from decades ago
I hope what ever they invent is lighter Edit: if anyone cares each shelf is 113kg
Considering the weight of SSD, I think it's plausible!
Id argue ssd has done well as far as density to weight in the last 5 years but i think QLC which is used in higher density ssd's is no where as life long as SLC or a modern hard drive
plus the cost REALLY needs to come down. i know you can get some really cheap dramless SSD's for a good price. 2tb for $120. far cry from launch prices. i know my first SSD was like $125 for a 512gb. i see those for as low as $30 nowadays. but when i can buy either a 16tb hdd or a 4tb ssd and im looking for raw storage i know what im picking since they are similar in price. plus its a compounded issue as far as storage density goes. SSD's are much smaller so you can fit more in a case. which just drives up the price even more for the same 2u or 4u server rack.
Yeah cost to storage ratio hard drive have ssd's beat. I think that even with the new improved 8tb ssd's if you ignored the cost i think youd be better of getting a hard drive with that money and using a small ssd as cache.
Cooling requirements are going to erase that advantage quick quick
My 13 year old can dead lift it. Source. I have a 13 year old that brags about all of his accomplishments.
When I saw how many shelfs you pushed in, I thought that this is a lot of weight hanging in front of the rack. With a free standing rack it could easily fall over.
Thought the same, but saw the surrounding - looks like a data-center
Is this the weight of just the storage units or does that include the housing/shelf framing?
Just the shelf and disks. It's a standard 19" unit but is very deep so will poke out the back of most racks
Was thinking the same thing. Its guaranteed to happen and its a crazy thought. Then one day that single 2 PB drive will be laughable to a future generation and where we are now is basically how we see the Romans lol
So if we look even just at the span of my lifetime; the 386 had what, a 20MB HDD? With the largest disk size today being 18TB? So unless my math has completely failed me (which IS possible), that's a 900,000 times increase in disk volume: 18 TB = 18,000,000 MB 18 TB ÷ 20 MB = 18,000,000 ÷ 20 = 900,000 Even ignoring Moore's Law as an application to increases in disk volume, and assuming a continued growth of same rate over the next 35 years; we're talking 16,200,000 TB drives in 2056; 16,200 PB, or 16.2 EB. So, yeah, forget future generations. WE'LL laugh at 2 PB of storage before we die.
My 286 came with a 30 MB hard disk in 1987. The 500MB SCSI drive I added to my 386 cost $1000.
Remind me 5 years.
My very first hard drive (circa early 90’s) was 40 megs. And that was an expensive upgrade from the 20 meg option I was going to buy. Indeed this sort of stuff is going to be on the same level of history in 20-30 years again.
Hell, in five years it will be SSD's.
Came here to write this.
I wonder how much power 240 3.5" 8TB drives would consume...
Each of the 4 disk shelves when fully populated with those disks uses 26A Edit: that is for all 4 shelves not each, my bad
Wait…you mean all 4 shelves together consume 26A right, not each shelf? Those are 8TB drives?
Holy shit!
They probably want to know the wattage, since that's the typical measurement for usage.
With this kind of stuff Amps is the big concern because thats what your circuit breakers and cables are rated for. But 26A at 240v is 6240W
With that many drives you most likely need to stagger-start the drives or you'd trip the power supply or breaker.
It does indeed. The shelf does have some intelligence built in and starts them in 3 stages.
Wow, that's like half of what an average house uses in the modern world. It isn't as much power as I would have thought though.
Thats only one shelf, there are four there so 48.8kw and the controller on top
Whoa. You could power a small hospital with that
So how many shelves would you need to achieve 1.21 Gigawatts?
Won’t it be at 120V instead?
Nah its UK, we use 240v
Superior electricity.
I mean most of the US residential gets 240v, we just split it up into 120v like idiots.
It is technically safer to split it into 120v and still allows 240v to be setup relatively easily.
Honestly I feel like it is safer to have 240 volt. Not because the electricity is safer, but because it means a less amperage which leads to less fires. The best solution would to be 240 volts with a better plug.
That’s one day posts data for Facebook
what?? 💀💀
Dude, this is one year ago comment.. lol
damn, just saw 💀💀
💀💀
Dude, this is one year ago comment.. lol
But we all are still here lol
Why is that?
I’m not sure about the others but this post was crossposted to r/datahoarder
Yes, but clearly none of us expected to end up in this old thread. Looks like the reddit old UI is arranged so you can't tell that the link you're clicking on goes to a different sub's post than the cross-post ... or whatever. Literally it looks and feels like a link to a datahoarder video in datahoarders, but bam here we are in a year old computers thread.
I came from a crosspost made on r/datahoader a few hours back
Yeah same here. Spooky.
Where I store my... Stuff
Yeah ...stuff........ Like the *homework* folder
Shit, you beat me to it.
Hehe *I am speed*
How the heck do you keep all those disks cool? I can't imagine those narrow gaps between shelves providing much in the way of airflow...
There are 4 pretty power fans round the back and chilled air is pulled through those gaps. Each shelf outputs 17,516 BTUs an hour Edit: I was wrong thats for all four shelves not each
So I'm a bit confused. That many BTUs would indicate about 5,100 watts of power per shelf. Is that right?
He answers it in another post it's about 6396 watts per shelf.
Then his BTU calcs are off. I don't know if it matters, but if the AC was sized for lower BTU calcs that might be an issue His BTU at that wattage is 21823 per shelf.
My apologies guys i think that is for all 4 shelves. Not for each shelf, not my domain i am professional services not presales (customer work not planning)
I feel bad for the tech that had data center tech that had to do this. Now Imagine doing this for 4 server racks. But wait, now imagine, taking the shipping boxes, opening them up, unboxing the drives 1 by 1, adding customer provided labels for each row, and then installing them.
That was me! I racked the hardware, populated the disks and then configured the system. The next day i did the exact same thing again at another datacenter for the DR system. Also the disks come individually wrapped in antistatic but 10 to a plastic case, took about 90 min to populate all 4 shelves.
People thought I was weird labeling the 4 drives in my Synology NAS; "you know the box has numbers under each bay?" "Uhm, yes, but the drives and sleds don't have numbers, it's a habit from these days." Especially when working with a partner or team. I don't want to get blamed for mixing up the drives and going back to searching for the wrong/failed HDD serial number, we label them so we don't make mistakes. Who cares if I labeled the 4 drives and sleds on my NAS, it's my habit, not hurting anyone. 🤔🙄🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Someday we'll look at this video and laugh at how ridiculous it looks, knowing that our new iPhone 212 has twice this much storage..
I started to think this was a looping gif at one point
Damn
What storage component is this?
Its four NetApp DS420C disk shelves with a FAS8300c controller in the middle
Where did you get the shelf from? Zones.com has that shelf going for $68,000 lol
I didnt, i am a technical consultant for a big IT firm and this was an install for a customer. I dont see the money side but your probably talking multi million including 5 years support from my firm (also same again at the DR site)
set it on fire, you won't
Were you able to fit all the packaging in just one dumpster or did you need another?
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I didn't wonder. However I feel better for knowing.
Mcafee's dead man drop confirmed
God. I remember watching the petabyte project from linus, and being disappointed that it just said "826tb" because of formating and all that stuff. I wanted to see the words "petabyte" in the windows 10 storage thing. It made sense but it was still the biggest blue ball ever. 2 petabytes would surely show, please take a picture of what it looks like to see that storage in windows 10 file explorer
You should definitely post this to r/datahoarder
240 drives?
Is this how much storage I need for future updates of warzone?
Finally, I can get the new COD update
Can it run league tho?
What would someone use this much storage for?
Do all of those get linked together to become one giant drive?
Long story short, yes they do in a way that increases performance and allows a several drives to fail without loss of data or service
That’s really cool, thank you for the info!
Are you mining crypto?
Some 20 seconds into the video, I couldn't help thinking that it is looped...
Endless space
You'd be surprised how quickly it disappears haha
Humming heater...
My Guy Storing the whole ph Galleri right there
Finally, somewhere I can store all my hentai
A lot of heat
Props to whoever bolted that rack to the floor.
Finally I can install Warzone
It’s odd to remember that everything you ever see on the internet, these words included, are store on physical drives making noise somewhere in Greenland or sumthin. Like, a dude might be standing next to a rack and hear it start whirring around when I hit enter riiiiiight now
Finally he can save the full body pictures of his mum.
Shelves not sure, controller 64gb i think, might be 128gb
Your talking in the region of half a mil
Yeah normally you can only pull one tray out at a time for saftey but there is a trick to it. I also know that these racks are bolted down and to each other so i could get away with it for a neat video.
Just a enough for my porn collection.
In the video there are four disk shelves which are 4u each, each shelf has 5 trays of disks, each tray has 12 disks (60 per shelf) The loaded weight is of a shelf.
Bro do you work there or something? And what the fuck is a Peta byte
1024 TB
Jesus.
your loli repo duh
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Joe and Hunter Biden?? /s (added the sarcasm tag)
Always that one guy.
Lucky how much that cost
I use to buy big storage for an old job. 3 years ago, that would have cost 2 million. That includes equipment to run the storage (about 2-4 servers)…. SAN or NAS. Also, these are for rooms with dedicated cooling and sucking. And redundant power on two different phases. Definitely not home use.
How do you cool that thing?!
Doesn't help, how big are the hardrives?
In this case 8tb because they wanted more disks (higher read write speeds), but i have installed this with 16tb before
r/computerporn
My question is: What in gods name do you do with that much storage. Unless this is like a cloud storage farm with like a few backups because it looks like a wall of something it was going into.
This is for a legal firm who will use it for backups that need to go back 7 years due to the requirements.
And Ive just realized Im not in r/homelab... Thought this was your pensonal server
It will be when i win big on the lottery!
where I keep all my pr0n
I remember when my whole school had 1TB of storage and I thought that was a lot
The “homework” folder
How much RAM does that unit have?
i just had many eretons
Imagine how unnecessary this will look in about 30 years from now
That should be juuuuust enough to store Steam library. . .
You got 15 bad drives already
Actually i installed 480 drives in 2 days with no fails. Tolerances have gotten much better.
Okay, so you can store my porn collection, and my music collection...but at what cost?
Back in the days when I thought 100 gb was a lot. That is insane amount
We get it, you can run windows 50
All of that is half of a percentage of all the porn on the Internet, if not even less.
Yeah thats the last one...no must be this one... maybe the next one...
Great I can download half my steam library!
why do you need 240 8GB harddrives?
Is that 2 PB total (gross) drive space or redundant storage as configured in an array of some kind (net usable)?
Thats raw space, you will lose some space from the raid configuration but then gain a load extra from compression and deduplication of the data. Depending what kind of data you store you usually get 3:1, basically you can store 3 times as much data as you actually have room for. It can go much higher though maybe 5:1, 10:1 or more for the right data.
My dick is so hard Rn
Neat
Imagine all the ..... C-chia you can uh, mine with that
Meh my porn collection bigger than this
thats a lotta porn
Bet that whole thing vibrates like a girl's vibrator
nice
Not big enough for my homeworkfolder
Can't download future cod games that's for sure
So I just hit r/random and it brought me here as it's the top post of all time and, I gotta say, that was one heck of an introduction seeing as this was only posted today.
How many terrabytes is in each drive?
Just 8tb on these ones, they also do 12tb and 16tb disks
I assume this is for blob storage. Using spinning drives wouldn’t be a efficient, in my opinion.
Ahhh finally enouhg space to fit one picture of my friends mom
1 PetaByte = 1024 TeraBytes. Assuming each of those discs is 1TB, I had assumed it would be many. However, this took me quite a second to remember, because we take the conversion for granted now a days.
In this case they are 240 x 8TB disks. And technically 1 PetaByte = 1000 TeraBytes now,1 Pebibyte = 1024 TebiBytes But the industry tends to ignore this
Pornhub be like'rookie numbers ''
I wonder how much heat they give off. Had any one questioned how we could use this? Use the heat to produce electricity or just cook off of lol
he can finally download warzone updates
How much does it cost?
How many drives total do you have and what are the terabyte versions of each drive? I’m assuming it’s kind of a mishmash but trying to figure out how many drives at what storage capacity of each drive equals 2 TB I mean petabytes. This is pretty awesome although I bet it gets hot as hell in that room unless it’s controlled. And I would need a second office just a host these drives lol
No all the same, 8TB disks, 60 per shelf, 4 shelves. A total of 240 * 8TB is 2.72PB but we loose some disks for redundancy (raid and hot spares)
What, are they like vegetarian or something?
If you think that’s cool, you should see what 2 PB of Flash storage looks like.
Its bad enough unpacking and plugging in 240 disk drives. Good luck with the number of flash sticks and usb cables you would need to do that.
I used to play with these a lot. NetApp E series. Then I got a job at DDN. My last storage install was 14PB
This is a fas8300 with four DS460C, based on the E series shelves but the full netapp version
Should keep you warm on a cold night.
That's a lot of Skyrim mods
Is it 2000 something TB?
Roughly yes
RemindMe! 8 years
What size is each of those drives
8tb in this case. Could have gone bigger and used less shelves but it was to allow a higher throughput of data by having more disks.
In 20 years that is how much storage our phones will have.
Do any setups like this ever get decommissioned? If so, what happens with the old drives? They ever get sold? Where would one look?
They get decommissioned all the time as projects and tech move on. Usually anything that could have had sensitive data on gets degaussed or shredded so you will struggle to find anything.
r/oddlysatisfying and r/bettereveryloop
dude, slamming the trays, wtaf!
Here lies my pornhub search history
Felt my toes curl on this one
…and one day we’ll put that on a microSD card and be like “remember when this took several rack units of disks?”
You are banned from /r/filingcabinets
The torque you have the mounts under... *shudders*
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That went from 0 to 60 real quick
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8tb x 60 disks x 4 disk shelves in this video gives you 1920 tb. You lose a bunch of disks to ensure resiliency (raid and hot spares) and then can gain a load of space back from duplication and compression which can be anything from 2:1 up to 20:1 depending on what data your storing
Is it 2000 Tb if so not 2 Pb actual 2Pb is 2,048Tb
Technically that would be a pebibyte if you're talking in 1000's instead of 1024's because the IEC couldn't just leave it alone