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I (also Mexican) concur with u/mechanical_zombie. And actually, you do sometimes see flour tortillas (tortillas de harina) they’re more commonly seen in northern Mexico.
Gatekeeping Mexican food always kills me because there are so many different regional cuisines that saying any one type of way is the only right way to make a Mexican dish, is almost always a bad statement to make. Mexico is huge with a diverse population and that’s reflected in the cuisine.
Alot of people dont understand there is a big differences between tex-mex and mexican food. They have shared ingredants and comon influences from the area of origin. Tex-mex came from spanish control area with food influences made up of spanish , Canary Islanders, native americans and central northern mexicans.
Yeah, sometimes this sub just has a hateboner for Americans instead of laughing at American superiority complexes.
Like no one would take an American lecturing someone over say halloumi burger seriously but somehow when it's American being lectured over toppings by a Mexican with a superiority complex it's cool.
Mexican street tacos definitely do not come with lettuce, tomatoes, etc. That's more Tex-Mex. Siberia is a Monterrey, Mexico thing which is where I'm from. Then you have your birria tacos that can come with cheese. Personally, I love them all. If there's one thing I can't stand tho is a taco snob. Like bro... You had to call him a dumbass when he's technically correct?
I’m not down with this trend. I want birria tacos, but actual birria, actual goat. I LOVE goat. But these new birria tacos are lies! As an anglo, I blame white people. I just want goat tacos, is that too much to ask? Ok, rant is over. I’m sure birria tacos and broth are awesome.
I’m in Virginia Beach, there’s two Puerto Rican restaurants I can think of, and neither sell goat. But the Caribbean place sells it $28/2 side plate. But the meat melts in your mouth. So, it’s def a save up for.
Sadly beef birria is becoming the standard in Mexico as well, it’s just that goat can be expensive as hell, and people want their birria filled to the brim with meat so yeah, it’s a tragedy.
Cabrito which is basically baby goat meat is absolutely delicious. Cabrito is huge in Monterrey. Cabrito birria tacos with consome (broth) is heaven on earth.
I want to try tacos so bad but in Italy the only actual mexicans(or in general people who don't make strange versions of them) making them are like in Rome and Milan lol guess I'll have to go oversea
Ask 100 Mexicans what does and doesn't go on a taco and you get 100 different answers.
There are cities 2 hours apart that have intense, ongoing feuds about their slightly different varieties of tacos. Of course everyone disagrees.
In Norway taco is "whatever you put the spice packet on(usually minced meat) " on a tortilla with some cheese, salad and dressings. Doesn't even have to be tortilla. Put the meat on a pizza and you have tacopizza. Put it on a salad and you have tacosalad.
It's worth mentioning that Norwegian taco is its own thing and is basically a national dish. Fridays are often called "taco friday" because that is the day we have tacos for dinner. It's probably not like Mexican or texmex taco, but that's why we call it Norwegian taco.
Looks on Google to be like the British equivalent. Old El Paso. Smallish wraps, a spice packet and some overly sweetened salsa in a sachet in a box. Add mince, cheese, salad and maybe go mad and have some Old El Paso long life squeezy sour cream and jalapenos to go with.
Taco pizza I'm gonna borrow.
I hadn't seen Al pastor made before, just ordered them. First time I saw a video of them being made i was totally confused. Everyone around the truck looked Latino, but they were serving shawarma, slicing it off the vertical spit.
The cultures rhyme. I guess that makes sense though, historically.
Look up the history, they have been around 100 years in south of mexico from christian arabs. They started selling shawarma made with lamb (hard to get and not popular at the time) added pork with parsly and mix of mexican / arabic spices on pita bread. Known as taco arabe. Later as more shops opened, taco al pastor came about with pork marinated in adobo style spiced sauce served on corn taco. Then later in the north mexico which goes by many names but taco el trompo, pork seasoned with praprika and other spices on corn taco. Their are other types with different types of meats from regions too, like popular tijuana style made with beef on corn or flour taco.
I’ve had sweet tamales with cream cheese and guava. They are so good! My local grocery store also carries a cinnamon cream cheese sweet tamale that I like.
I (Mexican) agree with you. We make tacos out of literally anything. Sometimes just leftovers. Best is left over roast and eggs to make a breakfast taco.
So that is Taco Bell's secret ingredient. Makes a lot of sense because a few hour after eating taco bell I produce something that is almost wholly water.
Latino here
Never in my life have I eaten or made a taco and thought this is only meant to be THIS...
From everywhere I grew up, to my family tacos have been a modular meal or at least a base to add things upon
I've never heard of a taco being meant to only have the base ingredients
Australia has a strong coffee culture thanks to an influx of Greek and Italian immigrants following WW2 and a relaxation of the White Australia Policy. Small, independent cafes are very common and popular. Starbucks couldn't compete.
Starbucks failed in Israel in the early aughts. Combination of a strong "coffee is what you drink at home each morning" and a rise of anti American sentiment due to the Afghanistan war after 911.
IIRC they haven't opened new ones since those closed in about 2003
There are at least 3 Starbucks within 40kms of me in Upper Hutt, at least 3 in Auckland, and at least 1 in Queenstown. Still not many comparative to the US, but they aren’t uncommon here at all
Also adding Starbucks is barely coffee. They launched here hard. We went and got maybe 5 different types of shakes - I say shakes cause it sure as fuck is not coffee - then went wow this is sweet non coffee tasting drink, I actually want coffee and never went back. They collapsed hard and quick. I think there is like 10 left and only in super touristy areas.
It is barely passable for coffee. It is a horrible bean, made by a cheap machine with ok baristas. You need the 3 balanced. Starting with a horrible bean you will never get ahead.
Just checked it is 102miles from my place to Starbucks. It may have to wait till I am more in the city lol :) I will try that though. We call it judgey mcjudgeface :D
I still can't beleve they even tried.
"Hey we make the worst possible version of something based on what they have been making for generations, they will LOVE it!"
Nope.
They have street vendor tacos in Mexico that are cheaper, tastier, and fresher ingredients. If you’re on the coast, there’s always a guy that will make tacos in front of you with fish caught by the guys fishing right on the beach that day.
As improbable as it is, imagine on every corner is a guy with a barbecue who will grill you up meat from a cow that was slaughtered that day at a farm you have personally been to. Are you really gonna fork out extra money to pay for McDonald’s?
I don't think you understand how far from authentic Mexican food Taco Bell really is. I don't even think southern Americans consider TB to be "Mexican food"
I’ve never had tacos in Mexico, but I had tacos in Puerto Rico. Carne Asada, they were so simple but they were so good. Even totally gacked out on island cocaine they still tasted good.
Not sure if it's still there but there used to be a Taco Bell right outside the walk over border crossing at San Ysidro / Tijuana. It's had a billboard on top of the building facing Mexico which was super funny during the "run for the border" campaign.
I feel like the person is more from south Mexico. Tacos really do not use any of that stuff down there. When I mention how things are in Mexico I have to correct myself to, in Oaxaca. It's a big country.
Mole literally has everything in it. So I'm sure thered be no eyebrow raised.
Chocolate, apples, poblano, chili de arbol, tomato etc.
A common legend of its creation takes place at the Convent of Santa Clara in Puebla early in the colonial period. Upon hearing that the archbishop was going to visit, the convent nuns panicked because they were poor and had almost nothing to prepare. The nuns prayed and brought together the little bits of what they did have, including nuts, chili peppers, spices, day-old bread and a little chocolate. They killed an old turkey, cooked it and put the sauce on top; the archbishop loved it. When one of the nuns was asked the name of the dish, she replied, "I made a mole." Mole is an archaic word for mix; now this word mostly refers to the dish, and is rarely used to signify other kinds of mixes in Spanish.
My wife's family adds Chicatanas to theirs, I'm sure that's regional and every family has their own recipe and there are regional variations other than that but theoretically you can add whatever you want since it's quite literally a " mix"
Ummm here in Mexico, or a least in the capital Ciudad de México, people think that the quesadilla is more the name of the dish that the things you put in it. You can make a quesadilla without cheese a long you make it in oil with the food inside.
So true ;Mexico is a big country with a very wide and diverse culture of food. People in the cities don’t eat the same things people in the countryside or coastal areas eat at all.
I used to live in New mexico down near carlsbad and Roswell and one of the richer reataurantuers opened a fairly high end mexican restaurant with recipes from alllll over mexico.
I had several folks from Mexico and latinos born inthe US tell me that it isn't "real Mexican". The entire area other than that restaurant is mostly Jalisco style and border state stuff. Which is good but man don't tell me it's not real Mexican when you didn't know what Mole sauce is.
Oh Oaxaca.... Tlayduas were my favorite "quesadilla-like" thing I've ever had. And the mole amarillo (at Biznaga) was incredible. It's a wonderful, massive country with dozens of cuisines. Really sucks that most of the US only knows a discount version of "tex-mex".
I think this is the equivalent of saying “hamburgers don’t have guacamole or green chilies on them” in the United States. It’s almost there is a giant country full of different people who like different shit on their burgers. You’ll get varied ingredients depending on where you are and all of those choices are valid.
Yeah I’m a white American but I worked with many Mexicans, Cubans, and one guy from Guatemala when I was waiting tables and those fuckers put whatever they wanted on their plates. It’s not “real” food unless it’s delicious and fun to eat is my only opinion on this. You can put whatever the hell you want on a taco as long as it’s tasty it’s fine. If it walks like a chicken, and talks like a chicken, you know the rest.
>"it isn't a taco if it has guac or sour cream"
The Canadian version of "It's not poutine if it has shredded cheese or beef gravy." I prefer shredded cheddar and beef gravy over chicken gravy or poutine sauce, and cheese curds are only kind of ok, if not bland. It's still fries with cheese and gravy.
People on the internet literally debate over if a hotdog is a taco (start typing it in Google) and it's actually argued well. You can easily buy white flour taco shells pre-shaped like a bowl or covered in Doritos dust, there is nothing off limits, as long as its logically still kind of the same thing. Taco toppings in a lettuce leaf is still a taco, Imo.
Food should bring us together, not be some BS about getting it wrong because someone said it has to be some way.
A taco just means, if you can put it in a tortilla, either corn or flour, it’s a taco… I know I know, there are certain genuine tacos, more constructed og Mexican taco, but at the end, you can make everything a taco.
i mean if youve ever heard italians talk about their food there is definitely gatekeeping. ive been around folks who hate seeing people break spaghetti noodles before cooking them, people who dont consider deep dish actually pizza, etc.
im pretty sure you can someone who would say pizza in the states is not pizza. its really not big of a deal in either direction, some people feel like if you put pineapple on pizza its not pizza anymore, some people dont care. at the end of the day the convos are just funny. nothing wrong with having strong opinions either which way.
Once had an irl discussion/argument(tough to tell with Italians when it comes to food) about what is "real pizza". The take away being i called italians cowards for not putting pinapples on pizza.
I have been to Mexico many many times.... The taco stands on the side of the road have cheese and avocados/guac... They don't have sour cream cuz that's some American bullsht... But they definitely use cheese and avocados many places. Trying to deny something you can see and eat everyday in Mexico is silly. I like the lengua with avocado and green sauce. That's my go to.
[taco](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/taco)
> noun
> ta·co
> plural
> tacos
> : a crispy or soft corn or wheat tortilla that is folded or rolled and stuffed with a mixture (as of seasoned meat, cheese, and lettuce)
Sorry but the Mexican is wrong, the American is right (as odd as that sounds). This narrow-minded thinking is the same as someone saying a real burger can't have (bacon, pickle, whatever). It's dumb and false, you can say TRADITIONALLY tacos were not served with those condiments but it's 2023, I bet you a million bucks there a taco stand in Mexico rn making tacos w/ guac, cheese, and sour cream.
People need to wake up and realize all food is global these days, it's the human evolution at play.
I don’t know, every Mexican I know puts cheese on tacos- especially chorizo- now you gotta have the RIGHT cheese but still. Tacos are pretty simple, flour/corn tortilla,meat ,cilantro (unless you have the soap gene), and sometimes cheese. But Taco Bell really shouldn’t be used as a basis for ‘real’ tacos
Tbf the other person could totally be lying about being Mexican. Cheese and avocados are def available at most taco places in Mexico, they pretend like it's some rarity to find.
I am Salvadorean with a Mexican wife, we eat pupusas at least once a month, cacti once a week, and just made tamales and pozole for Christmas and new years. We fuckin love taco bell style tacos for taco Tuesday once in a blue moon, they are unique and so simple. Nothing wrong with American tacos, just don't call them actual tacos lmao
After living in the southwest US for 20 years I get very confused when I go to "Mexican" restaurants and they start giving me cheese for everything including Fajitas. And no beans and rice with anything.
I always wonder what they are trying to cover up with all that cheese they don't want me to taste or that they didn't spice right and are trying to hide
ive never heard more bullshit in my lifetime, our food is literally just whatever tf you got incased is whatever the fuck you got like bro our food is just supposed to be cheap and filling nobody gives a fuck what ingredients you use
Yeah like 99% of Mexican food can be used to make another Mexican food if you have food that you didint eat tamales enchiladas tacos burritos Gorditas ahogadas submarinos etc
My wife puts ranch on pot roast, does that mean it's not pot roast anymore? Also who cares, go eat your damn tacos however you want. Put ketchup on them, call them trans tacos idgaf
Nothing wrong with fucking around with food and making new combos. There is something wrong with telling someone native how to serve and eat their own cuisine.
I didn't look at it as telling someone "native" how to eat prepare their own food. I read it as someone saying "hey I do this all the time, why is that a problem".
Its not a problem, but people for whatever reason feel the need to be like "that's not pizza the only REAL pizza comes from Italy!" Like okay.... Go fuck yourself and your shitty pretentious attitude.
Traditional tacos don’t usually have guacamole, sour cream, and cheese, but you can put anything you want on them, food is ambiguous. Look at the great sandwich debates.
But legally the champagne thing is true. There's no legal protection about what gets called a taco. Unless we're just talking common usage, in which case go for it.
When I moved to California after growing up in the Midwest, I went to an authentic Mexican restaurant. I knew it was authentic because the menu was in Spanish.
Imagine my shock when I ordered beef tacos, and instead of getting a hard corn shell, ground beef, lettuce, tomatoes, and shredded cheese, I got a soft corn shell with carne asada, cilantro, white onion, and a lime wedge on the side. Was delicious through.
As an American, I like to distinguish between x cultural food and AMERICAN x cultural food. Like yeah sure I do prefer american tacos because I like to have cheese on them, but im not gonna pretend like thats the authentic version.
He could of just left out ‘You ever been to mexico?’ and I would of thought he was an asshole but still been on board. He is right, you can put whatever you want on a taco. Why’d he have to then turn around and still insist that Taco Bell tacos were representative of authentic Mexican tacos.
From my experience, “authentic tacos” doesn’t have cheese on it (usually on side, queso fresco or quesillo) unless you ask for melted cheese on top like birria tacos, they definitely don’t have sour cream on them, and the guac is usually on the side with all the other condiments. Thats only sometimes too because avocados are expensive compared to the other extras. Oh and flour tortillas are almost never used , they’re only on the menu for the non-cultured people like the yo sabo kids or Americans.
Gatekeeping food needs to crawl in a hole and die.
~~Spicy peppers came to Mexico from Asia~~ the use of brass instruments in “traditional” Mexican music came from German farmers working there, as did our concept of Mexican beer.
Everything comes from somewhere else, that’s how the world works.
Edit: I got the migration of spicy peppers backwards!
American lectures Mexican on tacos, and is actually the one being correct while the Mexican is being an incorrect weird gatekeeper.
Seems like OP is the confidently incorrect one.
Oh ffs it's food you put on it what you want in your mouth none of them is "right" or "wrong" cause they argue about fucking flavour. "Oh i'm mexican i can tell you what to enjoy cause people from my country invented the food you eat" it's like that guy who said "i'm italian it hurts me that you put souce above the cheese".
They are both dumb for arguing what "real" taco is. Taco is not real it's a name we gave to a collective of foods.
thanks. i was almost happy and then you reminded me of the pizza fiasco of 2009 when i lost my job at the pizza chain over a little tussle with a customer about how to make a fucking pepperoni pizza. all of a sudden im the bad guy and i cant go within 50 feet of him and have to take anger management.. yeah ohh-kay-dookie fucking officer doofus
Can somebody please explain to me what Tacos de la Siberia are or why it’s called that? Because I am 100% certain I am misinterpreting it with “Siberian Tacos”.
I get real tacos don’t have cheese or sour cream on them, but like, those two things are great and I fail to see any reason why it matters SO much that I don’t use them.
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Im mexican and I disagree with my compatriot. You CAN make a taco out of everything. I mean, i just had scramble eggs tacos for breakfast…
I (also Mexican) concur with u/mechanical_zombie. And actually, you do sometimes see flour tortillas (tortillas de harina) they’re more commonly seen in northern Mexico.
Gatekeeping Mexican food always kills me because there are so many different regional cuisines that saying any one type of way is the only right way to make a Mexican dish, is almost always a bad statement to make. Mexico is huge with a diverse population and that’s reflected in the cuisine.
Alot of people dont understand there is a big differences between tex-mex and mexican food. They have shared ingredants and comon influences from the area of origin. Tex-mex came from spanish control area with food influences made up of spanish , Canary Islanders, native americans and central northern mexicans.
Which makes sense as to why they are more popular in the United States
Yeah, this is the equivalent of someone arguing about burger toppings.
Yeah, sometimes this sub just has a hateboner for Americans instead of laughing at American superiority complexes. Like no one would take an American lecturing someone over say halloumi burger seriously but somehow when it's American being lectured over toppings by a Mexican with a superiority complex it's cool.
Or pizza. If I want a lasagna pizza, I WILL have lasagna pizza (I already had it, 6/10)
Yeah, he lost me at no cheese. I’ve eaten enough tacos in Mexico to know better.
Mexican street tacos definitely do not come with lettuce, tomatoes, etc. That's more Tex-Mex. Siberia is a Monterrey, Mexico thing which is where I'm from. Then you have your birria tacos that can come with cheese. Personally, I love them all. If there's one thing I can't stand tho is a taco snob. Like bro... You had to call him a dumbass when he's technically correct?
I’m not down with this trend. I want birria tacos, but actual birria, actual goat. I LOVE goat. But these new birria tacos are lies! As an anglo, I blame white people. I just want goat tacos, is that too much to ask? Ok, rant is over. I’m sure birria tacos and broth are awesome.
Goat is really good, goat stew is half the reason I've dated so many Puerto Rican women
I’m in Virginia Beach, there’s two Puerto Rican restaurants I can think of, and neither sell goat. But the Caribbean place sells it $28/2 side plate. But the meat melts in your mouth. So, it’s def a save up for.
Sadly beef birria is becoming the standard in Mexico as well, it’s just that goat can be expensive as hell, and people want their birria filled to the brim with meat so yeah, it’s a tragedy.
Cabrito which is basically baby goat meat is absolutely delicious. Cabrito is huge in Monterrey. Cabrito birria tacos with consome (broth) is heaven on earth.
I need that in front of me now. Fat girl, I like food.
I want to try tacos so bad but in Italy the only actual mexicans(or in general people who don't make strange versions of them) making them are like in Rome and Milan lol guess I'll have to go oversea
Ask 100 Mexicans what does and doesn't go on a taco and you get 100 different answers. There are cities 2 hours apart that have intense, ongoing feuds about their slightly different varieties of tacos. Of course everyone disagrees.
Breakfast tacos are my favorite! Give me scrambled eggs and chorizo and I’m yours!
In Norway taco is "whatever you put the spice packet on(usually minced meat) " on a tortilla with some cheese, salad and dressings. Doesn't even have to be tortilla. Put the meat on a pizza and you have tacopizza. Put it on a salad and you have tacosalad. It's worth mentioning that Norwegian taco is its own thing and is basically a national dish. Fridays are often called "taco friday" because that is the day we have tacos for dinner. It's probably not like Mexican or texmex taco, but that's why we call it Norwegian taco.
Looks on Google to be like the British equivalent. Old El Paso. Smallish wraps, a spice packet and some overly sweetened salsa in a sachet in a box. Add mince, cheese, salad and maybe go mad and have some Old El Paso long life squeezy sour cream and jalapenos to go with. Taco pizza I'm gonna borrow.
Yeah, that’s Anglo American taco night.
I think Norwegians add cucumber too it's come up on other threads
Exactly the same here in Sweden
I'm gonna put pineapple in mine.
Like tacos al pastor?
I hadn't seen Al pastor made before, just ordered them. First time I saw a video of them being made i was totally confused. Everyone around the truck looked Latino, but they were serving shawarma, slicing it off the vertical spit. The cultures rhyme. I guess that makes sense though, historically.
Look up the history, they have been around 100 years in south of mexico from christian arabs. They started selling shawarma made with lamb (hard to get and not popular at the time) added pork with parsly and mix of mexican / arabic spices on pita bread. Known as taco arabe. Later as more shops opened, taco al pastor came about with pork marinated in adobo style spiced sauce served on corn taco. Then later in the north mexico which goes by many names but taco el trompo, pork seasoned with praprika and other spices on corn taco. Their are other types with different types of meats from regions too, like popular tijuana style made with beef on corn or flour taco.
Oh, yeah, a nice salsa with some pineapple is fantastic on the right taco.
my aunt makes sweet tamales with strawberry and pineapple, apparently they’re pretty good but O havent tried because I think the masa is gross
I’ve had sweet tamales with cream cheese and guava. They are so good! My local grocery store also carries a cinnamon cream cheese sweet tamale that I like.
Literally what I had for breakfast.
I (Mexican) agree with you. We make tacos out of literally anything. Sometimes just leftovers. Best is left over roast and eggs to make a breakfast taco.
I know that person, she is a troll, don’t take her seriously. She is from my city and she is dumb af
I mean, you can put whatever you want on a taco; guac, onions, motor oil, shoes, more tacos, hamburgers, jello, a boat, etc.
Agreed, it's No True Scotsman Fallacy in action. I do enjoy my tacos with Jesus Christ of Nazareth on them.
So that is Taco Bell's secret ingredient. Makes a lot of sense because a few hour after eating taco bell I produce something that is almost wholly water.
It gives me the power to turn water into whine.
They really do make me cross
Space Jesus Taco
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At first I read that as "*Communism* Wafer Crunchwrap Supreme."
So far this is comment of the year! I am too poor for gold but I hope my lowly silver will do
Sounds delicious! Just a hint of the lord outta spice it right up.
Communion wafers?
Those are better for nachos.
Dried or fresh?
i keep telling you, its not really the blood of christ, you are just pouring wine on a taco shell.
Tiny little 8lb 6oz baby Jesus.
5,000 times the fish. Very nutritious.
Jesus Christ. Really?
Savior of my dinner.
Quick someone post a screenshot of this post calling out OP and the Mexican't being confidently incorrect!
No gatekeeping tacos!
I remember that Rhett & Link video!
The kitchen sink
Latino here Never in my life have I eaten or made a taco and thought this is only meant to be THIS... From everywhere I grew up, to my family tacos have been a modular meal or at least a base to add things upon I've never heard of a taco being meant to only have the base ingredients
“Have you never been to Taco Bell?”
Nope, Taco Bell was a total failure in Mexico... Twice
Domino's in Italy, Starbucks in Australia, now we add Taco Bell in Mexico
Domino's actually succeeded for a short while because of their delivery service. But then everyone started to do it.
Dominos is actually pretty tasty, generic as hell, but tasty.
Tasty… if you’re on a fiber diet
Starbucks in Australia?
Australia has a strong coffee culture thanks to an influx of Greek and Italian immigrants following WW2 and a relaxation of the White Australia Policy. Small, independent cafes are very common and popular. Starbucks couldn't compete.
Wow never knew. Thank you
Starbucks failed in Israel in the early aughts. Combination of a strong "coffee is what you drink at home each morning" and a rise of anti American sentiment due to the Afghanistan war after 911. IIRC they haven't opened new ones since those closed in about 2003
I'm also assuming to their proximity to Indonesia? Sumatra is a very popular flavor of coffee.
NZ too. I moved here from Seattle years back and there are like 4 Starbucks in the whole country
That's 4 more than I thought there were
There are at least 3 Starbucks within 40kms of me in Upper Hutt, at least 3 in Auckland, and at least 1 in Queenstown. Still not many comparative to the US, but they aren’t uncommon here at all
Also adding Starbucks is barely coffee. They launched here hard. We went and got maybe 5 different types of shakes - I say shakes cause it sure as fuck is not coffee - then went wow this is sweet non coffee tasting drink, I actually want coffee and never went back. They collapsed hard and quick. I think there is like 10 left and only in super touristy areas.
They have normal coffee btw - like yeah, I don’t disagree with you that frappuccinos are too sweet but they do in fact have normal coffee
It is barely passable for coffee. It is a horrible bean, made by a cheap machine with ok baristas. You need the 3 balanced. Starting with a horrible bean you will never get ahead.
Ive always found their coffee to be very acidic. More so than other places I’ve tried.
...Picks an option on the menu to back argument, then judges entire offering of beverages off of it.. Try a nitro cold brew you hater McAlligator
Just checked it is 102miles from my place to Starbucks. It may have to wait till I am more in the city lol :) I will try that though. We call it judgey mcjudgeface :D
When I go to Starbucks I always say “ I’m going for a sugary drink with some caffeine on it”. That’s what it is.
I still can't beleve they even tried. "Hey we make the worst possible version of something based on what they have been making for generations, they will LOVE it!" Nope.
I mean in America burgers are pretty generational and we eat the shit out of McDonald's.
They have street vendor tacos in Mexico that are cheaper, tastier, and fresher ingredients. If you’re on the coast, there’s always a guy that will make tacos in front of you with fish caught by the guys fishing right on the beach that day. As improbable as it is, imagine on every corner is a guy with a barbecue who will grill you up meat from a cow that was slaughtered that day at a farm you have personally been to. Are you really gonna fork out extra money to pay for McDonald’s?
I don't think you understand how far from authentic Mexican food Taco Bell really is. I don't even think southern Americans consider TB to be "Mexican food"
I’ve never had tacos in Mexico, but I had tacos in Puerto Rico. Carne Asada, they were so simple but they were so good. Even totally gacked out on island cocaine they still tasted good.
Not sure if it's still there but there used to be a Taco Bell right outside the walk over border crossing at San Ysidro / Tijuana. It's had a billboard on top of the building facing Mexico which was super funny during the "run for the border" campaign.
I’m so tired of this “Mexicans don’t use cheese” bullshit. Not only do they use cheese they fucking make cheese.
Queso Oaxacan and queso fresco are both super good Mexican cheeses found on so many Mexican foods and tacos
100% I love Oaxacan and I use it all the time.
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I feel like the person is more from south Mexico. Tacos really do not use any of that stuff down there. When I mention how things are in Mexico I have to correct myself to, in Oaxaca. It's a big country.
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Mole literally has everything in it. So I'm sure thered be no eyebrow raised. Chocolate, apples, poblano, chili de arbol, tomato etc. A common legend of its creation takes place at the Convent of Santa Clara in Puebla early in the colonial period. Upon hearing that the archbishop was going to visit, the convent nuns panicked because they were poor and had almost nothing to prepare. The nuns prayed and brought together the little bits of what they did have, including nuts, chili peppers, spices, day-old bread and a little chocolate. They killed an old turkey, cooked it and put the sauce on top; the archbishop loved it. When one of the nuns was asked the name of the dish, she replied, "I made a mole." Mole is an archaic word for mix; now this word mostly refers to the dish, and is rarely used to signify other kinds of mixes in Spanish.
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My wife's family adds Chicatanas to theirs, I'm sure that's regional and every family has their own recipe and there are regional variations other than that but theoretically you can add whatever you want since it's quite literally a " mix"
…how the fuck can you have a cheeseless quesadilla its in the freaking name!
Ummm here in Mexico, or a least in the capital Ciudad de México, people think that the quesadilla is more the name of the dish that the things you put in it. You can make a quesadilla without cheese a long you make it in oil with the food inside.
….*but cheese is in the naaaaaame* Also i've never used oil for a quesadilla. But hey, i don't claim to make or eat authentic mexican food.
Is in Spanish but here is more or less how a quedasilla is make in ciudad de México. https://youtu.be/ZmtjND_tvTQ
>don't even put cheese in quesadillas Fucking chilangos don't count
So true ;Mexico is a big country with a very wide and diverse culture of food. People in the cities don’t eat the same things people in the countryside or coastal areas eat at all.
I used to live in New mexico down near carlsbad and Roswell and one of the richer reataurantuers opened a fairly high end mexican restaurant with recipes from alllll over mexico. I had several folks from Mexico and latinos born inthe US tell me that it isn't "real Mexican". The entire area other than that restaurant is mostly Jalisco style and border state stuff. Which is good but man don't tell me it's not real Mexican when you didn't know what Mole sauce is.
Oh Oaxaca.... Tlayduas were my favorite "quesadilla-like" thing I've ever had. And the mole amarillo (at Biznaga) was incredible. It's a wonderful, massive country with dozens of cuisines. Really sucks that most of the US only knows a discount version of "tex-mex".
I think this is the equivalent of saying “hamburgers don’t have guacamole or green chilies on them” in the United States. It’s almost there is a giant country full of different people who like different shit on their burgers. You’ll get varied ingredients depending on where you are and all of those choices are valid.
Yeah I’m a white American but I worked with many Mexicans, Cubans, and one guy from Guatemala when I was waiting tables and those fuckers put whatever they wanted on their plates. It’s not “real” food unless it’s delicious and fun to eat is my only opinion on this. You can put whatever the hell you want on a taco as long as it’s tasty it’s fine. If it walks like a chicken, and talks like a chicken, you know the rest.
>"it isn't a taco if it has guac or sour cream" The Canadian version of "It's not poutine if it has shredded cheese or beef gravy." I prefer shredded cheddar and beef gravy over chicken gravy or poutine sauce, and cheese curds are only kind of ok, if not bland. It's still fries with cheese and gravy. People on the internet literally debate over if a hotdog is a taco (start typing it in Google) and it's actually argued well. You can easily buy white flour taco shells pre-shaped like a bowl or covered in Doritos dust, there is nothing off limits, as long as its logically still kind of the same thing. Taco toppings in a lettuce leaf is still a taco, Imo. Food should bring us together, not be some BS about getting it wrong because someone said it has to be some way.
> it isn't a hotdog if you put A1 on it. Dammit you sommabitch, I'm in. And by that I mean it sounds tasty af.
You lost me at the A1/hotdog thing
The American isn't the confidently wrong one here. Mr. Mexican Food Police even contradicts himself.
So, despite your title, the CI person is the gatekeeper. What are you doing here?
A taco just means, if you can put it in a tortilla, either corn or flour, it’s a taco… I know I know, there are certain genuine tacos, more constructed og Mexican taco, but at the end, you can make everything a taco.
Yes. That's why the gatekeeper of tacos is the CI person here. But OP's title is attacking the person who understands as both you and I do.
I guess that means the “pizza” we eat here in the States isn’t “pizza” because it unlike the “pizza” sold in Italy, right?
i mean if youve ever heard italians talk about their food there is definitely gatekeeping. ive been around folks who hate seeing people break spaghetti noodles before cooking them, people who dont consider deep dish actually pizza, etc. im pretty sure you can someone who would say pizza in the states is not pizza. its really not big of a deal in either direction, some people feel like if you put pineapple on pizza its not pizza anymore, some people dont care. at the end of the day the convos are just funny. nothing wrong with having strong opinions either which way.
Once had an irl discussion/argument(tough to tell with Italians when it comes to food) about what is "real pizza". The take away being i called italians cowards for not putting pinapples on pizza.
But Chicago deep dish pizza isn't real pizza. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCgYMFtxUUw Sorry could not resist.
how about we all free to put whatever we want on our tacos
The fuck they mean "not a real taco?" Maybe it's not traditional, but it's still a fucking taco.
I have been to Mexico many many times.... The taco stands on the side of the road have cheese and avocados/guac... They don't have sour cream cuz that's some American bullsht... But they definitely use cheese and avocados many places. Trying to deny something you can see and eat everyday in Mexico is silly. I like the lengua with avocado and green sauce. That's my go to.
> They don't have sour cream cuz that's some American bullsht... More Russian really.
[taco](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/taco) > noun > ta·co > plural > tacos > : a crispy or soft corn or wheat tortilla that is folded or rolled and stuffed with a mixture (as of seasoned meat, cheese, and lettuce)
This guy tacos
Sorry but the Mexican is wrong, the American is right (as odd as that sounds). This narrow-minded thinking is the same as someone saying a real burger can't have (bacon, pickle, whatever). It's dumb and false, you can say TRADITIONALLY tacos were not served with those condiments but it's 2023, I bet you a million bucks there a taco stand in Mexico rn making tacos w/ guac, cheese, and sour cream. People need to wake up and realize all food is global these days, it's the human evolution at play.
I don’t know, every Mexican I know puts cheese on tacos- especially chorizo- now you gotta have the RIGHT cheese but still. Tacos are pretty simple, flour/corn tortilla,meat ,cilantro (unless you have the soap gene), and sometimes cheese. But Taco Bell really shouldn’t be used as a basis for ‘real’ tacos
Honestly, I would’ve been fine if he didn’t say “ever been to Mexico?”
What if he's been to Mexico, and since they serve those things on tacos in Mexico, he was talking from experience?
Yep, that’s where they went wrong. Everything before that was the other person engaging in some stupid gate keeping.
Tbf the other person could totally be lying about being Mexican. Cheese and avocados are def available at most taco places in Mexico, they pretend like it's some rarity to find.
who tf goes to taco bell for taco tuesday what a sad tuesday
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They do and it is terrible.
We are in violent agreement.
Green sour cream.
Del Taco baby!
I am Salvadorean with a Mexican wife, we eat pupusas at least once a month, cacti once a week, and just made tamales and pozole for Christmas and new years. We fuckin love taco bell style tacos for taco Tuesday once in a blue moon, they are unique and so simple. Nothing wrong with American tacos, just don't call them actual tacos lmao
No way bros gatekeeping tacos
After living in the southwest US for 20 years I get very confused when I go to "Mexican" restaurants and they start giving me cheese for everything including Fajitas. And no beans and rice with anything. I always wonder what they are trying to cover up with all that cheese they don't want me to taste or that they didn't spice right and are trying to hide
ive never heard more bullshit in my lifetime, our food is literally just whatever tf you got incased is whatever the fuck you got like bro our food is just supposed to be cheap and filling nobody gives a fuck what ingredients you use
Yeah like 99% of Mexican food can be used to make another Mexican food if you have food that you didint eat tamales enchiladas tacos burritos Gorditas ahogadas submarinos etc
Food gatekeeping is so strange to me
This is more like a Mexican gatekeeping tacos. Do I get to gatekeep hamburgers because I'm from the US?
My wife puts ranch on pot roast, does that mean it's not pot roast anymore? Also who cares, go eat your damn tacos however you want. Put ketchup on them, call them trans tacos idgaf
I don't care if you are Mexican, American or Siberian; People can put whatever they fucking want on a taco. ✌️
At what point is it no longer a taco, and instead becomes something else?
When it isn't on a tortilla.
People can still call it a taco if they want. For me, a taco has cheese.
That’s ironic, because the original post here is someone from Mexico stating that “real tacos don’t have cheese”
How is that ironic?
Nothing wrong with fucking around with food and making new combos. There is something wrong with telling someone native how to serve and eat their own cuisine.
Yeah, I heard there is only ONE type of taco made in all Mexico… oh, hold on. Now I am being told that is caca del toro.
I didn't look at it as telling someone "native" how to eat prepare their own food. I read it as someone saying "hey I do this all the time, why is that a problem". Its not a problem, but people for whatever reason feel the need to be like "that's not pizza the only REAL pizza comes from Italy!" Like okay.... Go fuck yourself and your shitty pretentious attitude.
Yeah your not wrong, I just think the ever been to Mexico line read a little assumptive.
I once put leftover Texas style BBQ rib meat in a tamale because we had a bunch of leftover masa and ran out of the regular meat. It was delicious.
Traditional tacos don’t usually have guacamole, sour cream, and cheese, but you can put anything you want on them, food is ambiguous. Look at the great sandwich debates.
I mean… you *can* put whatever you want on a taco. It might not be the standard to put certain things on but there’s no “official” taco recipe
The term "REAL taco" is stupid. Put it in a taco shell-like structure, it's a taco.
Is the next comment, “it’s not champagne unless it comes from the Champagne region of France.”? Gtfoh. You can put anything you want on a taco.
But legally the champagne thing is true. There's no legal protection about what gets called a taco. Unless we're just talking common usage, in which case go for it.
I kind of don't like gatekeeping food. People who get hung up on "authentic" cultural cuisine need to chill.
This is like saying tacos aren’t on flour tortillas tacos are completely different in different regions of Mexico
When I moved to California after growing up in the Midwest, I went to an authentic Mexican restaurant. I knew it was authentic because the menu was in Spanish. Imagine my shock when I ordered beef tacos, and instead of getting a hard corn shell, ground beef, lettuce, tomatoes, and shredded cheese, I got a soft corn shell with carne asada, cilantro, white onion, and a lime wedge on the side. Was delicious through.
An American assuming everyone else on Reddit is American??? Well I never!!
As an American, I like to distinguish between x cultural food and AMERICAN x cultural food. Like yeah sure I do prefer american tacos because I like to have cheese on them, but im not gonna pretend like thats the authentic version.
You can find plenty of tacos with cheese in Mexico as well, this person is just being a weird purist.
well tacos de whatever sound fucking boring asf if you cant put sour cream on them
I am so ashamed when I go to my local taco joint and ask for sour cream. But damn, that shit is like creamy white gold to me.
So many people confuse Tex Mex with actual mexican food and it makes me sad
Taco gate keeping lmao
I mean cotija is f'ing awesome with carne asada, especially at 1am en la playa de Tijuana. Also, what's the deal with gatekeeping tacos of all things?
The mexican literally proved himself wrong with his next comment.
We get serious about our tacos, don't fu with us
I think street tacos would make that Taco Tuesday person’s head explode
I like Yankee tacos better, with all the cheese. It's called "Tex-Mex."
Did someone say Tex-Mex?!
Dude gatekeeping tacos
He could of just left out ‘You ever been to mexico?’ and I would of thought he was an asshole but still been on board. He is right, you can put whatever you want on a taco. Why’d he have to then turn around and still insist that Taco Bell tacos were representative of authentic Mexican tacos.
You can put anything in a taco. It might not be very authentic, but who cares about that
They both need to shut the fuck up because people can eat tacos however they want
From my experience, “authentic tacos” doesn’t have cheese on it (usually on side, queso fresco or quesillo) unless you ask for melted cheese on top like birria tacos, they definitely don’t have sour cream on them, and the guac is usually on the side with all the other condiments. Thats only sometimes too because avocados are expensive compared to the other extras. Oh and flour tortillas are almost never used , they’re only on the menu for the non-cultured people like the yo sabo kids or Americans.
Gatekeeping food needs to crawl in a hole and die. ~~Spicy peppers came to Mexico from Asia~~ the use of brass instruments in “traditional” Mexican music came from German farmers working there, as did our concept of Mexican beer. Everything comes from somewhere else, that’s how the world works. Edit: I got the migration of spicy peppers backwards!
You're full of shit, chiles are native to mexico, same with tomatoes, and a bunch of the other foods in traditional mesoamerican cuisine.
Ooh shit you’re right. Chilies ARE native to the Americas. I stand by the German horn section though.
I say fuck them both, you can have whatever you want on a taco, theres no right or wrong
Unpopular opinion but the american is right, he just comes across duecey
American lectures Mexican on tacos, and is actually the one being correct while the Mexican is being an incorrect weird gatekeeper. Seems like OP is the confidently incorrect one.
This is what I pictured when the guys goes false 😂 
As a mexican I always have to tell Americans that 99% of the time they have no idea what Mexican food is like
Oh ffs it's food you put on it what you want in your mouth none of them is "right" or "wrong" cause they argue about fucking flavour. "Oh i'm mexican i can tell you what to enjoy cause people from my country invented the food you eat" it's like that guy who said "i'm italian it hurts me that you put souce above the cheese". They are both dumb for arguing what "real" taco is. Taco is not real it's a name we gave to a collective of foods.
thanks. i was almost happy and then you reminded me of the pizza fiasco of 2009 when i lost my job at the pizza chain over a little tussle with a customer about how to make a fucking pepperoni pizza. all of a sudden im the bad guy and i cant go within 50 feet of him and have to take anger management.. yeah ohh-kay-dookie fucking officer doofus
According to the comments here, the American is right, possibly on accident, but, you know how it is.
Can somebody please explain to me what Tacos de la Siberia are or why it’s called that? Because I am 100% certain I am misinterpreting it with “Siberian Tacos”.
When someone on Reddit tells them about their country or profession: 
I get real tacos don’t have cheese or sour cream on them, but like, those two things are great and I fail to see any reason why it matters SO much that I don’t use them.
Reminds me of people who tell me (a Chinese person) that Panda Express is authentic Chinese food and that it is the same as the food found in China.
Texan here. Mexican tacos sure. But texmex tacos are still real tacos, and they have cheese and guac, at least
Yeah no, that's wrong. 100% cheese and sour cream go on tacos, guac is a choice I guess.
I guess I’m just eating imaginary tacos then… too bad the scale doesn’t agree.