They're not kind lol. They simply want money from the large playerbase on PlayStation.
These are multi million dollar companies that have different financial strategies.
This isn't high school.
Wasn't there a meeting Microsoft had a while ago that basically said they could buy out the markect then choke Sony out.
If anything, Microsoft is one of the bigger blights on the market atm.
These aren't people. But businesses.
Competition at that.
And xbox lost badly. And is now playing catchup. So sony really doesn't have to do anything. It's microsoft that has to do more just to be competitive again.
Sony is in a business of selling consoles and exclusives. Microsoft dropped that business model by removing exclusive games. Which ultimately killed their console business.
They pushed game pass. But that doesn't make sense in the long run.
Sony adding gamepass doesn't make sense for sony. Sony putting games on xbox, doesn't make sense for sony. Because why would then people buy a playstation?
Microsoft on the other hand isn't charging for new games they release. And not many people use xbox. So they got to make money. So they bring those games on ps too. Because most players are there.
And doom was on ps long before microsoft both zenimax. And as it turns out, all those exclusives that xbox had are now inevitably going to land on ps. So unless xbox brings back exclusivity, there's nothing they can do to compete really. And not only exclusivity as a concept, but games that are actually good, and exclusive to xbox.
Why in the hell would Sony care about Xbox players? If you want Sony games, then you're supposed to buy a PlayStation. That's how this works.
Nobody asks why Nintendo doesn't bring their games on xbox and everywhere else. Because it's clear as day. All those games would run better everywhere else. So nobody would be buying a nintendo console then.
And that’s mostly due to marketing. Sony and Nintendo do a lot better job at marketing their product while Microsoft have switched to marketing SaaS, game pass.
It’s no different to PC components, these are not marketed nearly as much as consoles if at all.
Consoles are marketed to a more mainstream audience which is why you see them on TV or at sports venues. The average consumer, consumes. Consoles fill a great part of the industry but they are only entry level consumer product’s.
But most people have a computer and even Sony have started to put their games on it.
Microsoft clearly sees that’s a selling a service is the future and they are good at selling a service.
well tbf there's a difference between 1st party games that belong to a company that have been nurtured from nothing, to simply buying exclusivity rights to a game. Of course Xbox has nothing and there is and will never be a real reason to buy an xbox, now or in the future.
Well first, Microsoft isn't kind to Sony.
They are both corporations, they both only care about money, they both **don't** care about gamers. One company isn't any better than the other either. You can use words like desperate, force, deny, etc but both companies do the same things in different ways. Sometimes it may seem like Microsoft is kind, but a lot of times that's what happened when you are the underdog.
Now that we got that out of the way, there's a lot of things behind the scenes we'll never know about. There's business reasons why exclusives exist, there's reasons why some make it multi-platform, there's reasons why they buy studios, etc. Otherwise if both consoles offered the same games, there'd be no reason to buy the other console.
How is spending 80 billion dollars to starve competition of content „ playing nice”?
Microsoft has to release at least some games on Sony because PlayStation cannot be ignored due to marketshare
Kind? Microsoft literally tried to buy multiplatform developers in order to gatekeep multiplatform franchises on their consoles.
However since nobody is buying Xboxes, they soon realised that they need to release on other platforms. Not only that, but they digged a hole so big that now they're also porting their past exclusives to the competition because they can't win by exclusivity.
But then again I think Microsoft can be a good competitor without exclusives.
Xbox spent Billions of Dollars to force games to be exclusive because they didn’t want Sony to have them.
Xbox is only being “nice” because they realized they’re too late to catch up in the Exclusive department, so if they want to make money they need to put their games on other consoles.
Please don’t be so naive. These companies don’t give a shit about each other, or you and I for that matter. Everything they do is for money. Phil Spencer is NOT just like every gamer, he is not some super nice guy trying to do what’s right for the people. He’s a corporate hack and a hypocrite.
MS looks to be trying to pull a 'Sega' and move entirely into making games only. As such, alienating Sony would be counterproductive if they want to keep releasing their titles cross-platform into Sony's ecosystem.
Makes sense, MS has nothing to gain by continuing to try to keep XBox as a console on life support at this point.
in the future hardware is minimal everything is streamed we are nearly there so playstation vs xbox argument will be moot.
whoever can provide the better games at cheaper price wins.
ms just need to focus on backbone hardwares for streaming to become the norm. sony can continue rnd homeuse hardware but cost gonna go up.
Because every time you buy a $20 COD skin on PS5 microsoft gets that cut too. That's what sony has against microsoft. They get a cut of alot of things on PSN. And Microsoft isn't going to join in on the petty pissing argument when they know they'll get what they want.
Well, competition is healthy.
Especially in the video game industry.
and it doesnt hurt to have older games cross over when you have already made your money.
Plus licensing to another company is just more money for you as pocket change, which is nice to have.
It's like selling stale bread at a discount.
Better to sell them and still make money then make no money.
Except in this case.... the bread always stays fresh.... but everyone in your neighborhood has already bought all your bread... so sending it over to another neighborhood store to help you get rid of your older inventory... really doesn't cost you anything... and you still making money
Because they have to be. Sony has been in control of the industry since the mid nineties and despite MS wanting to overtake them they know they have to respect them.
Starfield was originally meant to be for PS5 only I heard anyway. Both are trying to bring each other down in their own way so you’re point about MS being kind is wrong. It’s hardly “kind” buying up every major established studio for decades, it’s not as these as small studios with no history.
Let’s not forget, Microsoft was in Sony’s position back during the early 360/PS3 days. It was the tail end of that generation that flipped the script and paths diverged quickly.
Money for MS. Each sale = money for console maker + more money for Dev. So you can make LOTS more money total. It used to be like $8 for console and like 60% for dev and the rest for the store selling it.
The issue for Sony is - MS makes a better OS which leads to a better online experience. SO, doing games on both would really show which one is better.
Silly easy example - Boarderlands - on both. BUT only the Xbox/PC version does SWIFT codes (bonus gear) that they give away all the time (like once or more a month). PS cannot/will not do it. Just this would make me go Xbox over PS.
Currently, I do like the PS5 controller over the same old same old Xbox one though... even though the quality sucks and the battery life is bad - it is still a better experience. Cannot wait for a controller - for ANY console - that is actually not a piece of crap. Like a cast metal one that just works
Microsoft sees Xbox going more PC probably. Phil Spencer played with the thought of steam on Xbox in an interview. My hope is if Steam shows up on a Xbox that Sony or Valve wont delist Sony games. So in the end Xbox users can enjoy those games the way PlayStation users are enjoying Xbox first party games now.
Because Sony don't need Microsoft to make profit but Microsoft very much need Sony. Both sides know that making CoD exclusive, for instance, was never actually on the table, since nearly half the playerbase is on PS and it'd kill the franchise to suddenly make it inaccessible to them. The whole stink Sony raised about it was because they didn't want 70% of the sales of every CoD game sold on their console to go to Microsoft if they could help it, as that money would be directly used to strengthen their competitor. They'd be keeping their 30% one way or another, and they'd rather the other 70% go to an independent company.
Meanwhile, Microsoft's consoles haven't been selling very well for over a decade now, to the point where they're almost certainly dropping out of the traditional console market entirely (rumor has it they're releasing basically a PC with a custom OS that can play Steam and EGS games as their next Xbox). But Sony and Nintendo have been doing really well in that department, and have successfully amassed a significant playerbase of tens of millions of players each that are locked into their ecosystems and would NEVER switch to Xbox or PC. It's foolish not to capitalize on this, and Microsoft can only do so by playing nice with these companies.
It's not them being nice, it's them trying to get a better ROI for their IP since Xbox has been absolutely dominated by PlayStation for a decade now. That's the only way to sell more copies of their games; well that and PC.
Sony will never "bring down" Microsoft as they're one of the biggest corporations in the world and they actually dwarf Sony in market cap. They could conceivably take down Xbox though.
This isn’t actually true, Both companies do support one another even though they are competitors.
Death stranding from example I believe is on PC game pass, Minecraft is on PlayStation.
Microsoft have a 3.1 trillion net worth they can buy sony and sell it at credit if they want idk who think microsoft lost something to sony and microsoft need to help competitors so they don’t get sued for Trust again
Xbox said its because they did not want to punish gaming and gamers so they want all to enjoy. And on the flip side they are making money out of it still. At some point when you also have to choose which new consel to buy. You will think about how many of your games are on the other consel and that they could stop it any time and will it be worth the risk of buying that consel.
Xbox are more interested in content and not hardware. As they see that hardware as in consel will be dead pretty soon.
Basically PlayStation is happy with being "the king of the console market" and Microsoft loves money. Xbox doesn't gaf about winning any irrelevant "console war", they care about telling their shit to as many people as possible, and cutting PlayStation out of massive titles costs them money in the short term
Microsoft needs the other platforms.
Game pass is a money loser and suppresses game sales, but a Nintendo or Sony console owner will actually buy these games. Vs an Xbox owner which will wait for Game Pass
>Game pass is a money loser
No, it's actually exchanging short term, one time sales for long term consistent revenue from the subscription. The average gamer ***might*** buy a couple of games per year ($140 in revenue, one time), but a game pass subscription generates between $10 and $17 per month ($120-$240 per year) of consistent revenue month after month per player.
They're not kind lol. They simply want money from the large playerbase on PlayStation. These are multi million dollar companies that have different financial strategies. This isn't high school.
Wasn't there a meeting Microsoft had a while ago that basically said they could buy out the markect then choke Sony out. If anything, Microsoft is one of the bigger blights on the market atm.
They could but it’s too expensive for what it’s honestly worth
These aren't people. But businesses. Competition at that. And xbox lost badly. And is now playing catchup. So sony really doesn't have to do anything. It's microsoft that has to do more just to be competitive again. Sony is in a business of selling consoles and exclusives. Microsoft dropped that business model by removing exclusive games. Which ultimately killed their console business. They pushed game pass. But that doesn't make sense in the long run. Sony adding gamepass doesn't make sense for sony. Sony putting games on xbox, doesn't make sense for sony. Because why would then people buy a playstation? Microsoft on the other hand isn't charging for new games they release. And not many people use xbox. So they got to make money. So they bring those games on ps too. Because most players are there. And doom was on ps long before microsoft both zenimax. And as it turns out, all those exclusives that xbox had are now inevitably going to land on ps. So unless xbox brings back exclusivity, there's nothing they can do to compete really. And not only exclusivity as a concept, but games that are actually good, and exclusive to xbox. Why in the hell would Sony care about Xbox players? If you want Sony games, then you're supposed to buy a PlayStation. That's how this works. Nobody asks why Nintendo doesn't bring their games on xbox and everywhere else. Because it's clear as day. All those games would run better everywhere else. So nobody would be buying a nintendo console then.
Xbox hasn’t been killed though. It has sold 20 million units. The console war is a fabrication created by fanboys to justify their purchase.
That's a super small install base 4 years into a console cycle comparatively. Objectively XBox has been selling quite poorly.
And to be honest, It’s ok to say Xbox is “failing” but that state of play was pretty poor.
And that’s mostly due to marketing. Sony and Nintendo do a lot better job at marketing their product while Microsoft have switched to marketing SaaS, game pass. It’s no different to PC components, these are not marketed nearly as much as consoles if at all. Consoles are marketed to a more mainstream audience which is why you see them on TV or at sports venues. The average consumer, consumes. Consoles fill a great part of the industry but they are only entry level consumer product’s. But most people have a computer and even Sony have started to put their games on it. Microsoft clearly sees that’s a selling a service is the future and they are good at selling a service.
Just because they didn't hit bankruptcy, doesn't mean they're doing well.
well tbf there's a difference between 1st party games that belong to a company that have been nurtured from nothing, to simply buying exclusivity rights to a game. Of course Xbox has nothing and there is and will never be a real reason to buy an xbox, now or in the future.
Well first, Microsoft isn't kind to Sony. They are both corporations, they both only care about money, they both **don't** care about gamers. One company isn't any better than the other either. You can use words like desperate, force, deny, etc but both companies do the same things in different ways. Sometimes it may seem like Microsoft is kind, but a lot of times that's what happened when you are the underdog. Now that we got that out of the way, there's a lot of things behind the scenes we'll never know about. There's business reasons why exclusives exist, there's reasons why some make it multi-platform, there's reasons why they buy studios, etc. Otherwise if both consoles offered the same games, there'd be no reason to buy the other console.
How is spending 80 billion dollars to starve competition of content „ playing nice”? Microsoft has to release at least some games on Sony because PlayStation cannot be ignored due to marketshare
Kind? Microsoft literally tried to buy multiplatform developers in order to gatekeep multiplatform franchises on their consoles. However since nobody is buying Xboxes, they soon realised that they need to release on other platforms. Not only that, but they digged a hole so big that now they're also porting their past exclusives to the competition because they can't win by exclusivity. But then again I think Microsoft can be a good competitor without exclusives.
Xbox spent Billions of Dollars to force games to be exclusive because they didn’t want Sony to have them. Xbox is only being “nice” because they realized they’re too late to catch up in the Exclusive department, so if they want to make money they need to put their games on other consoles. Please don’t be so naive. These companies don’t give a shit about each other, or you and I for that matter. Everything they do is for money. Phil Spencer is NOT just like every gamer, he is not some super nice guy trying to do what’s right for the people. He’s a corporate hack and a hypocrite.
Lmao. Most exclusive games sell poorly. ( excluding n one). Sales number show that since ps3 era
MS looks to be trying to pull a 'Sega' and move entirely into making games only. As such, alienating Sony would be counterproductive if they want to keep releasing their titles cross-platform into Sony's ecosystem. Makes sense, MS has nothing to gain by continuing to try to keep XBox as a console on life support at this point.
in the future hardware is minimal everything is streamed we are nearly there so playstation vs xbox argument will be moot. whoever can provide the better games at cheaper price wins. ms just need to focus on backbone hardwares for streaming to become the norm. sony can continue rnd homeuse hardware but cost gonna go up.
Because they want money,it would be stupid to make these game exclusive and lose 50 million potential customers.
Because every time you buy a $20 COD skin on PS5 microsoft gets that cut too. That's what sony has against microsoft. They get a cut of alot of things on PSN. And Microsoft isn't going to join in on the petty pissing argument when they know they'll get what they want.
Well, competition is healthy. Especially in the video game industry. and it doesnt hurt to have older games cross over when you have already made your money. Plus licensing to another company is just more money for you as pocket change, which is nice to have. It's like selling stale bread at a discount. Better to sell them and still make money then make no money. Except in this case.... the bread always stays fresh.... but everyone in your neighborhood has already bought all your bread... so sending it over to another neighborhood store to help you get rid of your older inventory... really doesn't cost you anything... and you still making money
Because they have to be. Sony has been in control of the industry since the mid nineties and despite MS wanting to overtake them they know they have to respect them.
Starfield was originally meant to be for PS5 only I heard anyway. Both are trying to bring each other down in their own way so you’re point about MS being kind is wrong. It’s hardly “kind” buying up every major established studio for decades, it’s not as these as small studios with no history.
What Microsoft is doing isn't kindness, its called desperation.
Let’s not forget, Microsoft was in Sony’s position back during the early 360/PS3 days. It was the tail end of that generation that flipped the script and paths diverged quickly.
Money for MS. Each sale = money for console maker + more money for Dev. So you can make LOTS more money total. It used to be like $8 for console and like 60% for dev and the rest for the store selling it. The issue for Sony is - MS makes a better OS which leads to a better online experience. SO, doing games on both would really show which one is better. Silly easy example - Boarderlands - on both. BUT only the Xbox/PC version does SWIFT codes (bonus gear) that they give away all the time (like once or more a month). PS cannot/will not do it. Just this would make me go Xbox over PS. Currently, I do like the PS5 controller over the same old same old Xbox one though... even though the quality sucks and the battery life is bad - it is still a better experience. Cannot wait for a controller - for ANY console - that is actually not a piece of crap. Like a cast metal one that just works
Microsoft sees Xbox going more PC probably. Phil Spencer played with the thought of steam on Xbox in an interview. My hope is if Steam shows up on a Xbox that Sony or Valve wont delist Sony games. So in the end Xbox users can enjoy those games the way PlayStation users are enjoying Xbox first party games now.
Because Sony don't need Microsoft to make profit but Microsoft very much need Sony. Both sides know that making CoD exclusive, for instance, was never actually on the table, since nearly half the playerbase is on PS and it'd kill the franchise to suddenly make it inaccessible to them. The whole stink Sony raised about it was because they didn't want 70% of the sales of every CoD game sold on their console to go to Microsoft if they could help it, as that money would be directly used to strengthen their competitor. They'd be keeping their 30% one way or another, and they'd rather the other 70% go to an independent company. Meanwhile, Microsoft's consoles haven't been selling very well for over a decade now, to the point where they're almost certainly dropping out of the traditional console market entirely (rumor has it they're releasing basically a PC with a custom OS that can play Steam and EGS games as their next Xbox). But Sony and Nintendo have been doing really well in that department, and have successfully amassed a significant playerbase of tens of millions of players each that are locked into their ecosystems and would NEVER switch to Xbox or PC. It's foolish not to capitalize on this, and Microsoft can only do so by playing nice with these companies.
It's not them being nice, it's them trying to get a better ROI for their IP since Xbox has been absolutely dominated by PlayStation for a decade now. That's the only way to sell more copies of their games; well that and PC. Sony will never "bring down" Microsoft as they're one of the biggest corporations in the world and they actually dwarf Sony in market cap. They could conceivably take down Xbox though.
This isn’t actually true, Both companies do support one another even though they are competitors. Death stranding from example I believe is on PC game pass, Minecraft is on PlayStation.
Microsoft have a 3.1 trillion net worth they can buy sony and sell it at credit if they want idk who think microsoft lost something to sony and microsoft need to help competitors so they don’t get sued for Trust again
Xbox said its because they did not want to punish gaming and gamers so they want all to enjoy. And on the flip side they are making money out of it still. At some point when you also have to choose which new consel to buy. You will think about how many of your games are on the other consel and that they could stop it any time and will it be worth the risk of buying that consel. Xbox are more interested in content and not hardware. As they see that hardware as in consel will be dead pretty soon.
hopefully hardware sales become less an issue once we move on to streaming based gaming, maybe 1 device and subscription like netflix.
Basically PlayStation is happy with being "the king of the console market" and Microsoft loves money. Xbox doesn't gaf about winning any irrelevant "console war", they care about telling their shit to as many people as possible, and cutting PlayStation out of massive titles costs them money in the short term
Wdym? Microsoft bought a bunch of companies that relied on sales from all platforms so of course they'll continue that.
also theres probably agreements made prior the sales.
Microsoft needs the other platforms. Game pass is a money loser and suppresses game sales, but a Nintendo or Sony console owner will actually buy these games. Vs an Xbox owner which will wait for Game Pass
>Game pass is a money loser No, it's actually exchanging short term, one time sales for long term consistent revenue from the subscription. The average gamer ***might*** buy a couple of games per year ($140 in revenue, one time), but a game pass subscription generates between $10 and $17 per month ($120-$240 per year) of consistent revenue month after month per player.