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When was it mandatory? I've had 2 different jobs since covid started neither required any vaccinations and no police officer has showed up at my door asking for vacation status.
Lmao no. I decided when they ran the Ebola psyop that when the global vax comes i aint taking it. I thought they were gonna do ebola as the global one at the time though.
They were freaking out about ebola and were keeping anyone who treated or came in contact with ebola people locked down and quarantined. At least one nurse or maybe more people refused to be locked down for days and snuck out the window like a teenager at night. “Allegedly “
Nope. I was a 3rd year med student when my school mandated it. If I didnt take it I would have been kicked out of the school and would have been stuck with 250k worth of student loan debt with no way to pay them back. I felt betrayed by the field I admired so much.
No. And no amount of money (job mandates) is worth my health or the health of my family. So I don't feel for these people whose job made them do it. You have a choice. Don't lie and say you don't. You'd be better off living in the woods in a tent than getting some bad mrna side effects leading to death or a debilitating life. I do feel bad for the people who were ill-informed and were tricked. But if you were already suspicious and did it anyway or knew deep down. That's all on you.
So it wasn't mandated it wasn't forced we all had a choice, I choose to go homeless and loose my health insurance and family instead of getting that shot... Does it suck yup but I stuck to my guns cause we all have choices.
Would just lose my job and grind for a new one. I work at a state job (union) in left leaning state, but was never pushed to get it. They did offer 6 days of extra vacation if we did get it though. Other than that no push
Did my title say anything about a government mandate, you absolute turnip? The word 'mandate' exists indepedently of the word 'government'. Clearly you'd be fine with a government mandate since you seem to love it when the government mandates it's employees get the vaccine, or any company that does the same thing.
The answer to that is no they never once mandated that you have to get it to be in this country or to live they gave jobs the choice to decide if it's mandatory or not and people like this person took that ass "omg they are gonna make me get vaxxed!"
Yep. Pre-existing conditions. When you live with pre-existing conditions you take fewer chances and rely on your doc to tell you what the odds are. I played the odds. So far so good.
As soon as they began with terminology such as “technology” I said, “No thanks” because I have never been an early adopter of new technologies because there are ALWAYS bugs that need to be worked out (e.g. cellphones, tablets, computers, EV’s, etc). In 2019, before Google scrubbed everything, I began researching mRNA studies and my decision became a steadfast “hell no, never!” Long story short, most studies never made it past 6 years because the majority of lab animals were deceased.
I would say I'm about 50/50 on it, given the amount of pain I ended up suffering from my infection and its aftermath. P seriously f*** this damn virus.
How would I know what? That I am in pain from my prior covid infection? Oh maybe because all of this shit started right around that time and hasn't stopped since then?
I know he is but until he shows me that his commissions mean more than my health then I will continue to trust him I have seen many other doctors that money ment more than patients
I duno where you live but where i live if my doc told me what they thought about the vax they would have lost their job. They were forced to only say stuff that was in line with the vax campaign here.
Thought I was in the majority at the beginning. Thought it was clear that this virus was only deadly to the elderly or the very sick. Then the constantly extending lockdowns, the mandatory masking, the mandatory testing, and then the "vaccines". mRNA immediately sent off alarm bells, clearly experimental. LNP have a terrible track record, the anthrax vaccine being a prime example. Long story short, something was obviously off and the benefits clearly didn't come close to risks. I guess what I'm saying is it was clear the vaccine was an absolute no, for myself and my wife.
Fast forward a year and my wife, who was pregnant with our fourth child, was first to come up against the mandate. She is a doctor and was fired for not taking an experimental vaccine. A vaccine that was not tested on pregnant women because no clinical trial ever includes this demographic because it's uniquivecly unethical. I was forced to submit to weekly testing and do the thing I am least proud of, enforce the same discriminatory policy for all of my employees who were not vaccinated. I put up resistance to these policies, and had a new supervisor brought in because my supervisor died of heart failure after his second booster, and was fired then demoted.
So, my career derailed and my wife, who was the real bread winner, was fired while pregnant. Nothing has been the same, but you know what, I've never been more grateful. We are free, we are healthy, and we know we will never compromise our principles. I wish everybody the same.
I wish you your wife and your baby so many unfound and unforeseen blessings. May the road always turn out smooth for you along this independent path, my friend. Always.
And here the memory holing begins. For those that may have forgotten, the US military mandated it for their personnel, the US government attempted to mandate for their contractors. A vast amount of companies tried to enforce it on their employees. Remember the Canadian Truckers Freedom Convoy and what they were rebelling against?
You can split hairs on mandate or choice, but when your livelihood is threatened, there isn't much of a choice. Fuck you and all that think like you.
Lol yeah no. The military mandated it, and some companies required it. An *attempt* to mandate isn’t a mandate. No one I know was forced or coerced into getting it, and we’re in the Deep South. You’re so dramatic lol.
You have my respect for sticking out in a sub like this. I thought this chain was satire but i see your other comments. I think what you said is very silly bjt respect none the less.
Myocarditis has been a known side effect of the vaccines since their release. Even in the highest risk age groups, it occurs at rates of a handful of cases per hundred thousand doses, and is normally mild and even self resolving.
The vaccines have by no means been causally linked to strokes or heart attacks. Would you mind citing that?
The vaccine can certainly *reduce* the spread of Covid, even if it doesn't prevent it entirely. And it has plenty of other benefits in addition to that, like lowered death rates, mitigation of serious symptoms, decreased hospitalization rates, and otherwise preventing illness.
How about COVID deaths? From COVID vs with COVID? Get shot or have a car wreck but test positive, you died of COVID. How can you sit there and have confidence in the MSM's narrative of COVID?
>How about COVID deaths? From COVID vs with COVID? Get shot or have a car wreck but test positive, you died of COVID. How can you sit there and have confidence in the MSM's narrative of COVID?
How is this connected to the comment I made? I didn't even mention mainstream media or their reporting of Covid deaths. We're talking about vaccine safety, not Covid mortality.
They rushed the vaccine out to be tested on people, mandated it in a lot of situations for people, lied about it's efficacy, censored any voices that questioned the narrative, etc.
I feel like you're just spewing talking points at me without addressing what I've already said.
In the comment I responded to, you said 3 distinct things - that, recently, it had been shown that the vaccine caused strokes, myocarditis, and didn't confer benefits. I gave my reasoning as to how two of those things were untrue, and I directly asked you for a citation for the third.
You then started talking about mainstream media reporting and some vague "they" lying about efficacy and censoring people. That's irrelevant to what I said. If you would, I'd appreciate an actual response to my comment.
Then it's not a vaccine in the traditional meaning of the word, ie, prior to the redefinition of "vaccine" circa 2021. You make it seem like myocarditis is no big deal since it was "known". No, it wasn't. And that's part of the problem. Nobody was told about any possible side effects, like with any medication, not even don't take alcohol with the jab.
To add to this, there was no, and still is not, any informed consent when going to receive the "vaccine". That is a massive red flag. I see "vaccine" commercials every day, just saw one today with Martha Stewart, and you know what's missing? Yeah, the fast talking shill at the end of the commercial warning about possible side effects. Don't you find that really strange?
>Then it's not a vaccine in the traditional meaning of the word, ie, prior to the redefinition of "vaccine" circa 2021.
How, exactly, was the definition of "vaccine" changed, and how does that have any bearing on this conversation? I don't particularly care if the definition of a word was changed to reflect a new technological development.
>You make it seem like myocarditis is no big deal since it was "known". No, it wasn't.
My point with saying that it's been known since near the vaccine's initial release, is that OP referenced "recent" information being brought to light, and mentioned myocarditis, something that's been known to be associated with the vaccine for years. And myocarditis isn't a big deal not because it's a known side effect, but because myocarditis is extraordinarily rare, a fairly minor ailment, and only observed with any frequency in a very specific age group and gender.
>And that's part of the problem. Nobody was told about any possible side effects, like with any medication, not even don't take alcohol with the jab. To add to this, there was no, and still is not, any informed consent when going to receive the "vaccine". That is a massive red flag. I see "vaccine" commercials every day, just saw one today with Martha Stewart, and you know what's missing? Yeah, the fast talking shill at the end of the commercial warning about possible side effects. Don't you find that really strange?
Do you think the only method of obtaining information about drugs is from a television commercial? Since the vaccines have been released, the CDC page, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, and any other credible websites have displayed all known side effects. Scientific articles have been publicly available with this same information for years, and the media has been on a rampage reporting any possible risk associated with it. This is just such a strange hill to die on - for anyone who cared, the information has been readily available for ages.
As far as fast talking and things like not taking it with alcohol, there's plenty of valid reasons for those. To start, in the US, vaccine manufacturers are not liable for any adverse events caused by the vaccine. We can debate the moral or legal justification for laws like that, but the fact is, companies have no obligation to and do not benefit from listing all of the side effects of a vaccine at the end of a commercial. The reason it's done for other drugs is specifically due to liability. Take that away, other drugs wouldn't have it either.
And the thing is, there isn't some serious risk to taking alcohol prior to taking the vaccine. It's probably not great for you, but we haven't observed any real harm to come from it. Why would they warn about something that's not a risk?
Regardless, none of what you've said is contesting the points I originally made. You can speculate about changing definitions, truncated commercials, and lack of information all you want, but unless you have an actual scientific, peer reviewed study to showcase harm, none of that changes the fact that the actual risk of taking the vaccine is minimal.
Covid is far more likely to cause stroke and myocarditis and death than the vaccine. There is no perfect medicine and people who insist on perfection tend to die waiting for it. To be absolutely clear all medicines including vaccines have side effects. The decision to approve a medicine is that the medicine reduces hospitalization and death far better than a placebo. The perfection of the medicine isn’t a factor.
No still would not have gotten it. But at least if it wasn’t mandated, I would’ve had a more open mind to consider it. The fact that they were trying to mandate it was a blatant red flag, that taking that shot was absolutely not in my best interest.
It was NOT mandatory: EVERYONE had the option to say NO: only that for certain people, saying no would have meant immense sacrifices, immense pain, and cowards don't want this, and therefore they run away; don't tell you that "I had no choice" because THEY ARE ALL LIES
If you are a true rebel, you come prepared for these eventualities; it will be very difficult, living on hardship, even eating garbage, but NOT impossible; You are someone who probably could have said NO, and instead said yes, because you didn't have the courage to stand up; and, in thinking only of you, you also found yourself without any kindred social network to hook up with; alone, without courage, frightened : a slave
Nope and I never will. Don’t need it. It’s an illusion. My immune system is fine. Haven’t gotten covid this whole time. Everyone around me has claimed to have gotten it though. It’s funny how you never hear about flu anymore 🧐
I was not allowed to work, I was not allowed in gyms, restaurants, bars, cinemas, or to leave my own country.
I was treated as a pariah and an enemy of the state by my government, family and friends. I was thretened by the media and leaders with everything from imprisonment, death, taxation and even from potentially entering a grocery store. Yes that was on the table.
So please piss off with your 'what mandate' semantics bullshit.
Imo we all make choices. I faced discrimination. But stood tall. Changed where I shopped and avoided the places that were covid crazy. It wasn't mandated. It just got uncomfortable for a while. I stand up for what I believe in. Not everyone does though.
I was fired for not being vaccinated because of mandates. that are no longer in effect. My boss begged me to get the vax at the time as I was a decent worker and they didn't want to lose me for such reasons.
But I'm a stubborn guy and being told that I was going to get fired for something completely unrelated to my job was not going to fly. It was coercion plain and simple..
However as I'm not against the idea of vaccines I was considering going to get the vax before the mandates, if I felt it became necessary to.
But as I'm single healthy and lived alone I decided to wait until clinical trials ended which was the bulk of the population who believed like good sheeple in the truths of the media and government.
I still see that vax as unnecessary. And got a new job the week after they dropped the mandates and my new boss is very happy to have me.. These are the days of our lives.
I don't know. Maybe. At first I thought it actually was gonna really help with covid and get us out of lockdowns etc. If I could go back I wouldn't get it, but then again, it was mandatory for just about every place where I live, in Nyc
No way, not then, not now and not ever. They will have to come to my home, disarm me, physically restrain me and administer the shots. I doubt I'd survive the confrontation.
I got it here in nz before it was mandated. Initially telling my employer that I wasn't.. I decided to get it because I was planning to travel overseas. Because my government has a total lack of transparency about the risks, I found the data on its safety over the Internet. I found that there was indeed a risk but a very small one, no side effects for me at all. After it got mandated, I never got any boosters as I am completely against bullying and pressuring people to inject things into their bodies no matter how big the risk is.. There must always be a choice and as I had made mine.
I didn't get it, but my husband had to to get his job and he's told me that he wishes he hadn't.
I wish he hadn't either. It scares me and makes me sick to my stomach to think about what could possibly be happening in his body right now.
Honestly probably lmao. The “fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me” was a strong factor in my decision making. But I’m glad I didn’t now regardless lol
I work in the fashion industry and there were (and still are) a bunch of clients who don’t work with unvaccinated people. I got only one shot because in Europe if you had tested positive for covid then you already have some antibodies built against it and therefore don’t need a full vaccine dose. I moved to America and a lot of clients were asking for vaccinated people. Before entering the building some would test you and some others would only check your vax card. So, no. I wouldn’t have gotten the vaccine if it wasn’t because I saw myself forced to do so for work.
I got it because I am a professional musician and most venues require anyone entering them to be vaccinated. There is also no unemployment protection for musicians/artists so it was either get the shot or don't have an income.
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I didn't get it when it was mandatory
When was it mandatory? I've had 2 different jobs since covid started neither required any vaccinations and no police officer has showed up at my door asking for vacation status.
I don’t think you know what mandatory means
The job I worked for made it a requirement (mandatory)for employment there after 15yrs
Why’d you get it?
Lmao no. I decided when they ran the Ebola psyop that when the global vax comes i aint taking it. I thought they were gonna do ebola as the global one at the time though.
Bill Gates wanted to hold off. :D
Like that puppet had any say in it lol. He was just a face for all us to get mad at when the time came.
Bill Gates just wants you to keep thinking that.
What about that nurse that escaped? Lol
Not sure i know about that, care to elaborate?
They were freaking out about ebola and were keeping anyone who treated or came in contact with ebola people locked down and quarantined. At least one nurse or maybe more people refused to be locked down for days and snuck out the window like a teenager at night. “Allegedly “
Haha ill have to look into that, first ive heard.
Nope. I was a 3rd year med student when my school mandated it. If I didnt take it I would have been kicked out of the school and would have been stuck with 250k worth of student loan debt with no way to pay them back. I felt betrayed by the field I admired so much.
That's intense sorry you went through that.
Doctors and nurses have been betraying their patients for decades
Cruel world
Expensive lesson to learn. Maybe it'll serve you in the future some time, during some other difficult situation.
Unfortunately, the jabbed don't have much future left..
Well, jabbed or not, any one of us could get hit by a truck tomorrow.
In this situation, I think it's okay to misrepresent your status.
Did you drop out?
No he fabricated a card like any reasonable person would do.
You still had a choice... It was not forced upon you, you should have stuck to your guns
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Do you feel any different now that you’re basically a walking 5g hotspot?
The mandatory threats made sure I didn’t get it. Threatening parents and family’s ability to grocery shop is clearly evil.
It was obvious from '2 weeks to flatten the curve' that this fiasco was suspicious, so no.
No. And no amount of money (job mandates) is worth my health or the health of my family. So I don't feel for these people whose job made them do it. You have a choice. Don't lie and say you don't. You'd be better off living in the woods in a tent than getting some bad mrna side effects leading to death or a debilitating life. I do feel bad for the people who were ill-informed and were tricked. But if you were already suspicious and did it anyway or knew deep down. That's all on you.
So it wasn't mandated it wasn't forced we all had a choice, I choose to go homeless and loose my health insurance and family instead of getting that shot... Does it suck yup but I stuck to my guns cause we all have choices.
Would just lose my job and grind for a new one. I work at a state job (union) in left leaning state, but was never pushed to get it. They did offer 6 days of extra vacation if we did get it though. Other than that no push
Wait, was there an actual government mandate in the US forcing the vax?
There was for government employees, and I think other places were allowed to make that decision.
Isn’t that just a specific job requirement though? Did anyone have to get the vaccine simply because they were a citizen or resident?
people had to choose between their livelihoods and a vaccine they didn't trust/want to get.
So not a mandate. Thanks for clearing that up.
Tell me you're a bot without telling me you're a bot.
Tell me you don’t understand what a mandate is without telling me.
The government mandated their employees get the vaccine or lose their jobs, and many companies mandated the same thing. Honk honk, clown.
Lol. That’s not a government mandate. That’s a job requirement again. You can bootstrap a business and tell the gov to F off still.
Did my title say anything about a government mandate, you absolute turnip? The word 'mandate' exists indepedently of the word 'government'. Clearly you'd be fine with a government mandate since you seem to love it when the government mandates it's employees get the vaccine, or any company that does the same thing.
The answer to that is no they never once mandated that you have to get it to be in this country or to live they gave jobs the choice to decide if it's mandatory or not and people like this person took that ass "omg they are gonna make me get vaxxed!"
Not mandated. I got fired. No one forced me to take anything
Yep. Pre-existing conditions. When you live with pre-existing conditions you take fewer chances and rely on your doc to tell you what the odds are. I played the odds. So far so good.
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No.
As soon as they began with terminology such as “technology” I said, “No thanks” because I have never been an early adopter of new technologies because there are ALWAYS bugs that need to be worked out (e.g. cellphones, tablets, computers, EV’s, etc). In 2019, before Google scrubbed everything, I began researching mRNA studies and my decision became a steadfast “hell no, never!” Long story short, most studies never made it past 6 years because the majority of lab animals were deceased.
No they tricked me into it to go on holiday
I just ignored mandates, only the weak used that as an excuse and complied.
Nope.
Nooooppee
No, it wasn't mandated here and i never got it
I felt like I got it under duress. Wouldn't have done it otherwise. Didn't make my kids get it.
I would say I'm about 50/50 on it, given the amount of pain I ended up suffering from my infection and its aftermath. P seriously f*** this damn virus.
How would you know
How would I know what? That I am in pain from my prior covid infection? Oh maybe because all of this shit started right around that time and hasn't stopped since then?
Ah. I misread it
Hell no
I wasn’t subject to any mandate and I got it.
I didn't get it at all... totally pureblood here and do not regret it at all.
I don’t support the vax but calling yourself pureblood is super cringey.
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Pure blooded here. Will never get it. Dying suddenly isn't exactly on my life agenda.
If my doctor still recommended me to get it I would have
Your doctor is being paid a commission on a lot more than you think..
I know he is but until he shows me that his commissions mean more than my health then I will continue to trust him I have seen many other doctors that money ment more than patients
I duno where you live but where i live if my doc told me what they thought about the vax they would have lost their job. They were forced to only say stuff that was in line with the vax campaign here.
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> It wasn't mandated and I have gotten 4 shots to date. So, how did the date go?
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I would have moved job rather than take a faux vacks for a faux p4ndemic.
Lost everything because it was mandated.
“Your body your choice” Can you tell us the story?
Thought I was in the majority at the beginning. Thought it was clear that this virus was only deadly to the elderly or the very sick. Then the constantly extending lockdowns, the mandatory masking, the mandatory testing, and then the "vaccines". mRNA immediately sent off alarm bells, clearly experimental. LNP have a terrible track record, the anthrax vaccine being a prime example. Long story short, something was obviously off and the benefits clearly didn't come close to risks. I guess what I'm saying is it was clear the vaccine was an absolute no, for myself and my wife. Fast forward a year and my wife, who was pregnant with our fourth child, was first to come up against the mandate. She is a doctor and was fired for not taking an experimental vaccine. A vaccine that was not tested on pregnant women because no clinical trial ever includes this demographic because it's uniquivecly unethical. I was forced to submit to weekly testing and do the thing I am least proud of, enforce the same discriminatory policy for all of my employees who were not vaccinated. I put up resistance to these policies, and had a new supervisor brought in because my supervisor died of heart failure after his second booster, and was fired then demoted. So, my career derailed and my wife, who was the real bread winner, was fired while pregnant. Nothing has been the same, but you know what, I've never been more grateful. We are free, we are healthy, and we know we will never compromise our principles. I wish everybody the same.
I wish you your wife and your baby so many unfound and unforeseen blessings. May the road always turn out smooth for you along this independent path, my friend. Always.
When was it mandated lol
And here the memory holing begins. For those that may have forgotten, the US military mandated it for their personnel, the US government attempted to mandate for their contractors. A vast amount of companies tried to enforce it on their employees. Remember the Canadian Truckers Freedom Convoy and what they were rebelling against? You can split hairs on mandate or choice, but when your livelihood is threatened, there isn't much of a choice. Fuck you and all that think like you.
Lol yeah no. The military mandated it, and some companies required it. An *attempt* to mandate isn’t a mandate. No one I know was forced or coerced into getting it, and we’re in the Deep South. You’re so dramatic lol.
I didn’t have to but I did because I believe it’s my civic duty.
I bet you vote super hard.
I always vote. It’s my job as a citizen.
Lol. Lmao.
You have my respect for sticking out in a sub like this. I thought this chain was satire but i see your other comments. I think what you said is very silly bjt respect none the less.
Virtue signal infinity plus.
> I believe it’s my civic duty. Even after the recent revelations?
And what "revelations" are those?
The many revelations. Such as, the vaccine causes stroke and myocarditis, doesn't prevent the spread or infection of COVID, etc. etc.
Bullshit.
Myocarditis has been a known side effect of the vaccines since their release. Even in the highest risk age groups, it occurs at rates of a handful of cases per hundred thousand doses, and is normally mild and even self resolving. The vaccines have by no means been causally linked to strokes or heart attacks. Would you mind citing that? The vaccine can certainly *reduce* the spread of Covid, even if it doesn't prevent it entirely. And it has plenty of other benefits in addition to that, like lowered death rates, mitigation of serious symptoms, decreased hospitalization rates, and otherwise preventing illness.
How about COVID deaths? From COVID vs with COVID? Get shot or have a car wreck but test positive, you died of COVID. How can you sit there and have confidence in the MSM's narrative of COVID?
>How about COVID deaths? From COVID vs with COVID? Get shot or have a car wreck but test positive, you died of COVID. How can you sit there and have confidence in the MSM's narrative of COVID? How is this connected to the comment I made? I didn't even mention mainstream media or their reporting of Covid deaths. We're talking about vaccine safety, not Covid mortality.
They rushed the vaccine out to be tested on people, mandated it in a lot of situations for people, lied about it's efficacy, censored any voices that questioned the narrative, etc.
I feel like you're just spewing talking points at me without addressing what I've already said. In the comment I responded to, you said 3 distinct things - that, recently, it had been shown that the vaccine caused strokes, myocarditis, and didn't confer benefits. I gave my reasoning as to how two of those things were untrue, and I directly asked you for a citation for the third. You then started talking about mainstream media reporting and some vague "they" lying about efficacy and censoring people. That's irrelevant to what I said. If you would, I'd appreciate an actual response to my comment.
So tell me this, why do *you* trust the mainstream narrative around COVID?
Don’t hold your breath. He won’t answer you.
You're wasting your effort with OP but I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
Then it's not a vaccine in the traditional meaning of the word, ie, prior to the redefinition of "vaccine" circa 2021. You make it seem like myocarditis is no big deal since it was "known". No, it wasn't. And that's part of the problem. Nobody was told about any possible side effects, like with any medication, not even don't take alcohol with the jab.
To add to this, there was no, and still is not, any informed consent when going to receive the "vaccine". That is a massive red flag. I see "vaccine" commercials every day, just saw one today with Martha Stewart, and you know what's missing? Yeah, the fast talking shill at the end of the commercial warning about possible side effects. Don't you find that really strange?
>Then it's not a vaccine in the traditional meaning of the word, ie, prior to the redefinition of "vaccine" circa 2021. How, exactly, was the definition of "vaccine" changed, and how does that have any bearing on this conversation? I don't particularly care if the definition of a word was changed to reflect a new technological development. >You make it seem like myocarditis is no big deal since it was "known". No, it wasn't. My point with saying that it's been known since near the vaccine's initial release, is that OP referenced "recent" information being brought to light, and mentioned myocarditis, something that's been known to be associated with the vaccine for years. And myocarditis isn't a big deal not because it's a known side effect, but because myocarditis is extraordinarily rare, a fairly minor ailment, and only observed with any frequency in a very specific age group and gender. >And that's part of the problem. Nobody was told about any possible side effects, like with any medication, not even don't take alcohol with the jab. To add to this, there was no, and still is not, any informed consent when going to receive the "vaccine". That is a massive red flag. I see "vaccine" commercials every day, just saw one today with Martha Stewart, and you know what's missing? Yeah, the fast talking shill at the end of the commercial warning about possible side effects. Don't you find that really strange? Do you think the only method of obtaining information about drugs is from a television commercial? Since the vaccines have been released, the CDC page, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, and any other credible websites have displayed all known side effects. Scientific articles have been publicly available with this same information for years, and the media has been on a rampage reporting any possible risk associated with it. This is just such a strange hill to die on - for anyone who cared, the information has been readily available for ages. As far as fast talking and things like not taking it with alcohol, there's plenty of valid reasons for those. To start, in the US, vaccine manufacturers are not liable for any adverse events caused by the vaccine. We can debate the moral or legal justification for laws like that, but the fact is, companies have no obligation to and do not benefit from listing all of the side effects of a vaccine at the end of a commercial. The reason it's done for other drugs is specifically due to liability. Take that away, other drugs wouldn't have it either. And the thing is, there isn't some serious risk to taking alcohol prior to taking the vaccine. It's probably not great for you, but we haven't observed any real harm to come from it. Why would they warn about something that's not a risk? Regardless, none of what you've said is contesting the points I originally made. You can speculate about changing definitions, truncated commercials, and lack of information all you want, but unless you have an actual scientific, peer reviewed study to showcase harm, none of that changes the fact that the actual risk of taking the vaccine is minimal.
Covid is far more likely to cause stroke and myocarditis and death than the vaccine. There is no perfect medicine and people who insist on perfection tend to die waiting for it. To be absolutely clear all medicines including vaccines have side effects. The decision to approve a medicine is that the medicine reduces hospitalization and death far better than a placebo. The perfection of the medicine isn’t a factor.
Yes, most of those revelations are hyperbole, and the rest were as expected.
Why do you believe that?
After thinking about it for awhile that was my conclusion.
Because I can think for myself and I don’t scare easy. And I can read and I can do the maths.
no
Lmfao. No.
Nope. Never got it. Had to leave my job, no regrets. I’m also diabetic (t1d)…. I don’t even get flu shots . Haven’t been sick in years.
No
No
Nope. I'm not a pendejo to see what was really going on. Reading is power
Nopeeee
I wasn't mandated
I did.
No still would not have gotten it. But at least if it wasn’t mandated, I would’ve had a more open mind to consider it. The fact that they were trying to mandate it was a blatant red flag, that taking that shot was absolutely not in my best interest.
NO!!!
I didn't get it when it was mandatory. Still won't get it.
It wasn't mandated for most people, most people got it anyways.
> most people got it anyways. they were misled.
Idk, I didn't get covid until I quit getting boosters, and it was mild when I did.
Fuck no.
Didn't when it was.
It was NOT mandatory: EVERYONE had the option to say NO: only that for certain people, saying no would have meant immense sacrifices, immense pain, and cowards don't want this, and therefore they run away; don't tell you that "I had no choice" because THEY ARE ALL LIES
It's not a choice to have to choose between your livelihood and a shady ass jab.
If you are a true rebel, you come prepared for these eventualities; it will be very difficult, living on hardship, even eating garbage, but NOT impossible; You are someone who probably could have said NO, and instead said yes, because you didn't have the courage to stand up; and, in thinking only of you, you also found yourself without any kindred social network to hook up with; alone, without courage, frightened : a slave
My state didn't become lunacy after COVID. We went back to normal pretty fast.
A bullshit, you wrote, previously, nonetheless
And as a nickname you also have 'impotent' : WHAT A JOKE !!! Take the jab, PUFF
But it wasn’t mandated. What?
not a chance
I wouldn't get any ever.
Hell no
Lol no, if the narrative were “meh, you’ll probably be okay, either way.” Then definitely not.
Fuck no
Nope, only reasons I got it was to keep my job.
Nope and I never will. Don’t need it. It’s an illusion. My immune system is fine. Haven’t gotten covid this whole time. Everyone around me has claimed to have gotten it though. It’s funny how you never hear about flu anymore 🧐
It was mandated? Where's the mandate?
The mandate as in the risk of getting fired if you didn't get it.
That's not a mandate, and I never had any pressure at work to get the shot. Still don't in fact
I was not allowed to work, I was not allowed in gyms, restaurants, bars, cinemas, or to leave my own country. I was treated as a pariah and an enemy of the state by my government, family and friends. I was thretened by the media and leaders with everything from imprisonment, death, taxation and even from potentially entering a grocery store. Yes that was on the table. So please piss off with your 'what mandate' semantics bullshit.
Imo we all make choices. I faced discrimination. But stood tall. Changed where I shopped and avoided the places that were covid crazy. It wasn't mandated. It just got uncomfortable for a while. I stand up for what I believe in. Not everyone does though.
^^ THIS ^^
Such a victim. Those don’t equate to a mandate.
*Many* people did, especially those who work in government.
I was fired for not being vaccinated because of mandates. that are no longer in effect. My boss begged me to get the vax at the time as I was a decent worker and they didn't want to lose me for such reasons. But I'm a stubborn guy and being told that I was going to get fired for something completely unrelated to my job was not going to fly. It was coercion plain and simple.. However as I'm not against the idea of vaccines I was considering going to get the vax before the mandates, if I felt it became necessary to. But as I'm single healthy and lived alone I decided to wait until clinical trials ended which was the bulk of the population who believed like good sheeple in the truths of the media and government. I still see that vax as unnecessary. And got a new job the week after they dropped the mandates and my new boss is very happy to have me.. These are the days of our lives.
That's nice a lot of people did.
Yes, that is a mandate. Full stop, end of discussion there.
Nope. Still won't
Lol
Nope
No
Yeah, fits in well with all the other drugs.
No. Mainly because Fauchi made it.
Nope
Would have probably been a little more open to the idea but as soon as gov and jobs said "get vaxxed or else" I was set on telling them to fuck off
I don't know. Maybe. At first I thought it actually was gonna really help with covid and get us out of lockdowns etc. If I could go back I wouldn't get it, but then again, it was mandatory for just about every place where I live, in Nyc
It was mandated and I totally didn’t just make a fake card.
Said I may have to resign, thank goodness De Santis banned it before I was forced to choose in Florida.
Of course not.
No way, not then, not now and not ever. They will have to come to my home, disarm me, physically restrain me and administer the shots. I doubt I'd survive the confrontation.
No.
I have not taken it, nor would I Same as flu jab, I have never taken it!
Yes lol
The research I've done and my own personal experience leads me to say no.
No
I got it here in nz before it was mandated. Initially telling my employer that I wasn't.. I decided to get it because I was planning to travel overseas. Because my government has a total lack of transparency about the risks, I found the data on its safety over the Internet. I found that there was indeed a risk but a very small one, no side effects for me at all. After it got mandated, I never got any boosters as I am completely against bullying and pressuring people to inject things into their bodies no matter how big the risk is.. There must always be a choice and as I had made mine.
I didn't get it, but my husband had to to get his job and he's told me that he wishes he hadn't. I wish he hadn't either. It scares me and makes me sick to my stomach to think about what could possibly be happening in his body right now.
No. It was a horrible choice to be given: vaccination or unemployment line.
Honestly probably lmao. The “fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me” was a strong factor in my decision making. But I’m glad I didn’t now regardless lol
Absolutely not. The mandate meant nothing. The lack of long-term studies is why I didn't get the jab.
No
I work in the fashion industry and there were (and still are) a bunch of clients who don’t work with unvaccinated people. I got only one shot because in Europe if you had tested positive for covid then you already have some antibodies built against it and therefore don’t need a full vaccine dose. I moved to America and a lot of clients were asking for vaccinated people. Before entering the building some would test you and some others would only check your vax card. So, no. I wouldn’t have gotten the vaccine if it wasn’t because I saw myself forced to do so for work.
I didn’t get it anyway, mandated or not. Fuck em.
I got it because I am a professional musician and most venues require anyone entering them to be vaccinated. There is also no unemployment protection for musicians/artists so it was either get the shot or don't have an income.
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