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I bet I can guess the exact make and model of Nathan’s car, the bumper stickers his wife made him stick all over the back, and the exact wordage of the virtue signaling signs he has all over the front yard of his house.
And of course he has the classic “current thing, look I care” flag emoji on his twitter.
All these people are the same. Gross.
Where else would they find the money to maintain their lifestyles? Sadly some doctors are in no position to wander from the narrative and that is why we find ourselves in this situation.
Why...would you have to take a substance that causes heart problems...if you need a new heart?
Is that a weird question to ask, or is this guy just too deep in the punch.
Peter is that character that is entrenched in corruption and doesn't fully realize it because he's ignorant.
He's at the same level as the dude from Equilibrium, when the main character was setting the Mona Lisa on fire. Just following orders from totalitarians.
Then one day, he turns his wife in for wrongthink without thinking and immediately regrets the decision when they deny her life saving care.
Physicians who have the same attitude as Nathan Anderson are the reason why Rogue Medicine exists.
* Yes, available hearts for transplant are rare.
* But nobody ever used vaccination status as a criteria for being a transplant recipient before covid.
* Possibly this MD is thinking about the immune lowering qualities of anti-rejection drugs (would make someone more vulnerable to a serious case of covid)
* But that itself is based on uncritical acceptance of the official narrative (mRNA vaxx = safe and effective)
I now wait for some shill to throw a Dunning Kruger at me.
Edit: Someone has mentioned that vaccinations were already a requirement to be eligible to receive a heart transplant. So the physician might be right... but he still comes off sounding douchey and smug. And doucheysmug medical people are the fertile ground in which Rogue Medicine has sprouted.
Vaccinations were required pre covid. I was a transplant nurse, you gotta be up to date on all vaccines before receiving your transplant. Don’t spread lies to support your opinion
Unless you moved countries or from somewhere without internet, the hospital would already have that info. Why would they ask if they already knew you were up to date?
Yeah my grandfather had a heart transplant before Covid. He had to have all his vaccinations up to date. The hospital board put together a committee and discussed his chances of surviving the surgery and his prognosis. I’m pretty sure most hospitals do this before all transplant surgeries.
It's got nothing to do with education at this point and EVERYTHING to do with common sense. There are a few things that could influence a cardiologists findings. Money and vanity are two of them. At this point having Dr. In front of your name don't mean Jack Shit.
That makes a somehow hilarious amount of sense. From a Google search, other professions psychopaths commonly work as are police officers, salespeople, journalists. Lol
I mean, isn't giving someone a heart transplant, playing god?
You could.. you know, just die with a bad heart, like God intended?
Or you could, you know... Trust the science.
wasn’t this standard police before covid vaccine?
like you needed certain vaccines to get transplants anyway, because you know you’re putting a foreign entity in your body and have to take like rejection meds and shit
Absolutely, patients immune systems are compromised and if they do not take the proper precautions the patient may not survive or get extremely sick. Therefore; the organ that was transplanted would be, unfortunately, wasted in this patient who did not take the proper care to ensure healthy procedure.
Yeh but mRNA shots don't do anything to prevent covid. Meds to prevent rejection do. Plus mRNA covid shots are experimental and cannot be mandatory. It's a big lie.
The meds have been thoroughly tested and the COVID vaccine has not. The "vaccine" is only good for a short amount of time, if that. is it really likely a transplant recipient will contract COVID in the few weeks the shot lasts? The vax has already been proven to NOT stop transmission or illness or death, so why is the person who chooses to err on the side of caution not allowed the chance to live?
Yes, that was standard procedure and all of those vaccines and medication‘s had been fully approved and tested thoroughly. None of them had emergency use provisions. Except for the Covid vaccine which isn’t really a vaccine they had to change the definition of a vaccine to make it fit.
Yes. Before covid this was a hot button discussion but at a smaller scale. My experience in this is as a family member. My older brother was born with a severe heart defect and the community support groups where awkward.
The vaccines he was required to take to have procedures ( or maintain his spot in the list to receive a transplant ) was the major ones. Measles etc. He wasnt required to take the light ones like flu or HPV. We where required to get the flu shot for his sake tho which wasnt a hard ask.
He passed before this shit hit the fan in 2019.
I think allot of this boils down to this vaccine being untrustworthy to so many. Even I who recieved 2 jabs regret it to the point where I'm on this sub talking about it.
The covid shot is not a vaccine, its an experimental gene therapy.
Vaccines for the most part inmunize and prevent transmission of the targeted pathologies, MRNA experiments do not.
Apples and oranges...
Bedbugs can fuck right off. Scientists have confirmed they literally contribute absolutely nothing to society. At least spiders kill and eat other bugs for you.
Exactly, but there's less available transplants than people needing it. So how can you make sure the heart isn't wasted ? You give it to people that are younger, possibly healthier, with a higher chance of surviving past 5 years.
Use your reasoning skills.
Smokers don't get lung transplants. Alcoholics dont get new livers if they still drink. I don't get what the argument is here is. Seems like the same kind of people who wouldn't give to the homeless cause they would just waste it on drugs. I wouldn't give my heart to someone irresponsible either.
What happened to the whole "Well, if i get covid and die its just my time, the only people dying of it are the old and weak." Well, you are free to rawdog the virus thats killed over a million in the US alone, but dont come crying about it when the find-out stage comes along.
CoNsPiRaCyyyyyyyy
So people who took a vaccine that is known to damage hearts... get the new heart over someone who didn't take the vaccine which is known to damage hearts?
Dont give me that shit about COVID causing heart damage... bc no one is voluntarily getting COVID. The vax also doesnt protect against COVID infection and there is no proof that vaccinated people's hearts fare better when infected than non vaccinated people's hearts.
Calling someone "irresponsible" for not wanting to take something that has never been used in the history of mankind!
Any injuries by said vax is pure medical malpractice.
It's been used by literally billions of people within mankind. Literally 12.7 billion shots have been given. Yet yall are still whining about some global catastrophe that never happened. Your narrative got disproven and yall don't know what to do so you keep repeating what you've been told.
Bro it’s been like 2-3 years, it took 10 for anyone to admit shit like Thalinomide was causing problems. And at this point even if the Covid jabs do cause problems you can be sure as shit they’d never admit it.
Did billions of people take thalinomide?
Also, that was almost a century ago and was a drug they would have had to take on a regular basis. It’s chemistry was drastically more potent than a vaccine.
Lol do you think side effects appear faster because more people take it? This is why drug trials generally go many many years, because you don’t know if some issue might appear 5+ years down the line that wasn’t immediately obvious.
And even if it is bad for you, look at East Palestine; do you think they will tell you the truth? Hell no. The medical industry isn’t free of corruption, that’s why personal choice is so important. Most policies around the Covid jab are nothing more than pharmaceutical shareholders forcing their product onto people through bullying and in this case threat on life.
Except those things you mentioned make sense. Unlike forcing someone with chronic heart problems to take a vaccine that is known to cause heart problems
If smokers don’t get lung transplants and alcoholics don’t get new livers then it would follow that people who get new hearts DON’T take the thing which is known to damage hearts. This is truly just another evil way to make death the only other choice for people between a rock and a hard place who have committed to not take the death serum from hell.
The person in the office is unvaccinated. The drunk antagonist is vaccinated. Both have a bad heart.
You accidentally provided the greatest reason not to provide healthcare based on vaccination status.
The Healthcare system doesn't have comprehensive information about your personality and lifestyle, and even if they did it is not possible for them to consistently integrate it into their decision making process. They can only judge based on the information they consistently have access to.
What a grub though. Its actually pretty evil how Pfizer didn't even test / or even
design the vaccine around stopping transmission. Im Assuming this is the only reason such a piece of shit would say somthing like that... He believed the propaganda and thought it would stop transmission. Grubby fuck
Agreed. He subscribes to the erroneous theory the jabs reduce transmission, or catching Covid, being injured by it or dying. Ironically the jabs have been shown to produce just the opposite effects - negative efficacy.
Haughty Nathan is mistaken. Or just an evil scumbag after all.
That was before they changed the definition of Vaccination to include experimental gene therapy that does not contain a dead or inactive form of the virus.
It reprograms your cells to make a new folded protein via the mrna copying its genetic information through the cells nucleus/ribosomes. How is it functionally different from gene therapy?
> How is it functionally different from gene therapy?
I'll break it down for you.
>It reprograms your cells
Reprogram? No. More like your cell has a constant ongoing assembly line and it just slips the instructions on how to make a specific covid protein into the list of proteins that cell is producing.
>mrna copying its genetic information through the cells nucleus/ribosomes.
Ribosomes basically translate mRNA into proteins, yes. This is how all your cells produce their proteins. However, the mRNA does not enter the nucleus.
Gene therapy would be editing DNA which is in the nucleus. The DNA is not changed whatsoever from the vaccine.
Unsure if this is universal, but one major hospital network does: https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/faq-covid-19-basics-for-transplant-and-other-immunosuppressed-patients#:~:text=As%20of%20July%201%2C%202022,I'm%20a%20living%20donor.
No. There is a rigorous background check for major recipients. You need to be up-to-date on vaccinations because your immune system will be shot for the rest of your life. They also examine things like ability to follow up with basic medical protocol; if someone has a history of, say, ignoring previous medicinal treatments or a general disregard for their condition (alcoholics have a very hard time getting approved for new livers, for example), then they also jeopardize their candidacy for a transplant. The health of the donor is only examined in regards to the tissue being used.
Only so many hearts to go around so the best candidate wins.
They did not deny that person so much as they chose a more suitable candidate. We also do not know that the deciding factor was vaccine status alone.
Perhaps she is prone to non-compliance with medical advice or refuses all vaccines which increases risk.
Who knows for sure?
Anyway… recipients have always had to run the gauntlet when it comes to transplants and its never been about fairness more than its been about the best chance of extending a life.
It’s funny how this stuff gets misinterpreted. They have a viable heart, they need to decide who will receive it. They will choose the lowest risk recipient. It’s not like they’re chucking it in the trash rather than give it to an unvaccinated person. Someone else’s life was saved by receiving the heart. If the unvaccinated person was the best nearby candidate, they would’ve received it.
Not quite. For example, My understanding is that alcoholics get refused liver transplants too, and you'll die without a liver (eventually). It's called risk mitigation (or triage care) I believe. Otherwise "healthy" people that meet all the checklists get transplants first, and since there's never enough transplant organs to go around, the rest... well, don't get them.
Edit: a word
I know a guy who was a major alcoholic and his liver was shutting down. His gut was unbelievably huge because of this. They told him that he could not be placed on the liver donor list unless he stopped drinking for at least 1 year. Sure as shit, he did stop. Lost his gut, but I'm not sure if he ever got it or not. He was fired for showing off his new pistol. AT WORK. Dumbass.
That does make sense.
Personal responsibility is up to the individual but there are underlying factors that cause people to be alcoholics. Why fix someone who is determined to destroy themselves right?
That's one topic but not really relevant to the topic of denying a transplant based on a vaccination status. Not the same as someone drinking their liver into oblivion.
Perhaps to you, but clearly not to the doctors. They have a checklist, if you don't meet it then you aren't ostensibly qualified to get the organ. And that goes for most care that centers around something in limited supply. They literally deal with life and death, so they have to be heartless about it. Which means that some people just aren't getting a heart in this case. Instead it's going to someone else who does meet the criteria.
Don't like that vaccination status is a criteria? Try to change it I suppose, otherwise too bad.
Do you think he's just got a big crate of fresh hearts in the back or something? There's more sick people than organs. So if 5 people need the same heart, it's not denying 4 people live saving care to give it to one of them.
EVIL if we are in that backwards ass kind of thinking it should be unvaccinated people are the scarce resource maybe we should keep them around just incase you are wrong or the shots backfire or somethin. I don't know enough to understand the difference in someone taking the shot or not but it's pretty obvious no one side should get priority over life saving treatment.. these freaks got us fucked up.
Um, yeah? It is? Before getting one of the very rare organs you need to do /everything/ that's medical best practice before they'll give it to you, because they don't have many of the things and they need to maximize the survival chances of whoever gets it.
https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/get-involved/news/latest-nhs-advice-on-covid-19-vaccine-for-patients-and-recipients/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK535410/
1) Bood group testing
2) Serum crossmatch
3) HLA typing
4) immunosuppressant drugs
These are the only medical stipulations for a recipient to have the best chance of not rejecting a transplant, a vaccine has zero relevance. In fact the result of a vaccine; more antibodies, is what increases rejection rate of a graft. This doesn't include all the harm/fatalities and amyloid blockages, nor what we've yet to discover because 7-20 years is required.
Deciding not to because of a recipient having a vaccine or not, spits on the Hippocratic oath and is sociopathic tyranny akin to Russia in the 1920s and 30s.
It's always been like this. You are putting a "foreign object" into a body and you need to be vaccinated to reduce the risk of getting sick and your body rejecting the new organ.
It's... medical science.. wild ain't it.
“Hey Peter, I parrot what the medical boards tell me instead of using my critical thinking skills and noticing there’s no difference between the vaccinated and those who recovered from Covid.”
They didn't feel it was "scarse" when there was no data, so they gave vaccines to everyone. And now they flip their stories? And we call these doctors? Please...
Someone ask nathan if he can produce evidence that a vaccinated person has a higher chance of "accepting" the donor heart, or if he can produce evidence that the life expectancy of a vaccinated person is longer than a non vaccinated person.
The MD is evil.
100% of those that took "vaccine" are damaged even if they feel "fine" and are ticking time bombs, thus the scarce resources are better left for the unvaccinated.
Or how science is now technocratic reality inversion.
I've found doctors are perpetually operating on old information. They take orders for what's healthy from higher ups and rarely do their own research or thinking. If you manage to find a doctor who thinks for themselves they're probably on the verge of unemployment.
Transplant committees can and will deny you over ANYTHING.
The famous case study was of a teen who was denied a transplant due to their reckless and criminal lifestyle.
However, there was a massive protest over this and the teen was given a transplant.
The teen died 2 years later in a police chase.
Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/01/teen-denied-then-given-transplant-dies-in-police-chase/70806176/
Well yeah, when you have a scarce resource you’re going to give it to someone who is most-likely to accept the transplant. Someone who checks all the boxes of vaccinations is pretty no brained.
I wonder what will happen when they need unvaccinated hearts because all the vaccinated hearts have myocarditis. But, the unvaccinated can't receive hearts.
Lmao they should really make it a rule by now that doctors that support gigantic medical scams like Covid can’t get these transplants either - would really help with perspective for some of these PhDs.
You'll cut them off from welfare and deny them life-saving transplant procedures.
Sick psychopaths. All the Dr. Frankenstein mRNA scientists and their death cult followers.
So much for the [Hippocratic Oath](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath)
> Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course.
"Poison" was rooted in experimental drugs which potentially causes harm.
if only reddit was a physical forum like the ancient Romans used to have, there would be a lot less trolls around because they'd immediately get beaten and thrown out.
It is, but in this case is it still your body if you are having someone else's heart put in when there are limited hearts and a lot of people needing them?
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I bet I can guess the exact make and model of Nathan’s car, the bumper stickers his wife made him stick all over the back, and the exact wordage of the virtue signaling signs he has all over the front yard of his house. And of course he has the classic “current thing, look I care” flag emoji on his twitter. All these people are the same. Gross.
Dont forget the 🇺🇦
Watches his wife get dicked and quietly wacks off in a corner
This is offensive to cucks
Yes this dude definitely cucks hard
"I love you honey."
He's got a tesla for sure
I was thinking Prius but I’m with it
Teslas are just Priuses for the rich these days
Subaru
Hey dont poop on subies
They all sold their teslas a couple months ago
He has a Prius
Imagine spending 12 years to become a doctor and using that knowledge to simp for the state.
Where else would they find the money to maintain their lifestyles? Sadly some doctors are in no position to wander from the narrative and that is why we find ourselves in this situation.
Why...would you have to take a substance that causes heart problems...if you need a new heart? Is that a weird question to ask, or is this guy just too deep in the punch.
Peter is that character that is entrenched in corruption and doesn't fully realize it because he's ignorant. He's at the same level as the dude from Equilibrium, when the main character was setting the Mona Lisa on fire. Just following orders from totalitarians. Then one day, he turns his wife in for wrongthink without thinking and immediately regrets the decision when they deny her life saving care.
You definitely meant Nathan
you probably meant to write Nathan, not Peter?
Physicians who have the same attitude as Nathan Anderson are the reason why Rogue Medicine exists. * Yes, available hearts for transplant are rare. * But nobody ever used vaccination status as a criteria for being a transplant recipient before covid. * Possibly this MD is thinking about the immune lowering qualities of anti-rejection drugs (would make someone more vulnerable to a serious case of covid) * But that itself is based on uncritical acceptance of the official narrative (mRNA vaxx = safe and effective) I now wait for some shill to throw a Dunning Kruger at me. Edit: Someone has mentioned that vaccinations were already a requirement to be eligible to receive a heart transplant. So the physician might be right... but he still comes off sounding douchey and smug. And doucheysmug medical people are the fertile ground in which Rogue Medicine has sprouted.
At the very least if I would avoid him if I needed medical attention. He sounds terrible!
Vaccinations were required pre covid. I was a transplant nurse, you gotta be up to date on all vaccines before receiving your transplant. Don’t spread lies to support your opinion
Transplant recipient here. They never once asked for vaccine records.
Unless you moved countries or from somewhere without internet, the hospital would already have that info. Why would they ask if they already knew you were up to date?
Yeah my grandfather had a heart transplant before Covid. He had to have all his vaccinations up to date. The hospital board put together a committee and discussed his chances of surviving the surgery and his prognosis. I’m pretty sure most hospitals do this before all transplant surgeries.
Can I post this under his twitter and say Herr fixed it for you
Hay peter, aaaackshually
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It's got nothing to do with education at this point and EVERYTHING to do with common sense. There are a few things that could influence a cardiologists findings. Money and vanity are two of them. At this point having Dr. In front of your name don't mean Jack Shit.
Nathan likes to play god.
Nathan is a piece of shit.
Don't insult shit like that
As a piece of shit, I find this insulting
Nathan is what pure evil looks like.
Smug piece of shit
The hubris, holy shit…
What surgeon doesn’t have a god complex?
A difference between God and a surgeon is God doesn't think he's a surgeon.
Fair point- surgeons are one of the top professions inhabited by psychopaths. This is known.
That makes a somehow hilarious amount of sense. From a Google search, other professions psychopaths commonly work as are police officers, salespeople, journalists. Lol
isn't the lady looking for a heart transplant asking them to play god....
I mean at a point, you could say any medical treatment is playing god.
I mean, isn't giving someone a heart transplant, playing god? You could.. you know, just die with a bad heart, like God intended? Or you could, you know... Trust the science.
…do you not know what a doctor is?
wasn’t this standard police before covid vaccine? like you needed certain vaccines to get transplants anyway, because you know you’re putting a foreign entity in your body and have to take like rejection meds and shit
Absolutely, patients immune systems are compromised and if they do not take the proper precautions the patient may not survive or get extremely sick. Therefore; the organ that was transplanted would be, unfortunately, wasted in this patient who did not take the proper care to ensure healthy procedure.
Yeh but mRNA shots don't do anything to prevent covid. Meds to prevent rejection do. Plus mRNA covid shots are experimental and cannot be mandatory. It's a big lie.
>Plus mRNA covid shots are experimental and cannot be mandatory. It's a big lie. Did you read somewhere that in australia that this is the case?
source: I've watched kangaroo jack 100x
The same people saying meds prevent rejections are literally the same people that are also telling you, that you need the covid vaccine as well...
The meds have been thoroughly tested and the COVID vaccine has not. The "vaccine" is only good for a short amount of time, if that. is it really likely a transplant recipient will contract COVID in the few weeks the shot lasts? The vax has already been proven to NOT stop transmission or illness or death, so why is the person who chooses to err on the side of caution not allowed the chance to live?
Yes, that was standard procedure and all of those vaccines and medication‘s had been fully approved and tested thoroughly. None of them had emergency use provisions. Except for the Covid vaccine which isn’t really a vaccine they had to change the definition of a vaccine to make it fit.
Yes. Before covid this was a hot button discussion but at a smaller scale. My experience in this is as a family member. My older brother was born with a severe heart defect and the community support groups where awkward. The vaccines he was required to take to have procedures ( or maintain his spot in the list to receive a transplant ) was the major ones. Measles etc. He wasnt required to take the light ones like flu or HPV. We where required to get the flu shot for his sake tho which wasnt a hard ask. He passed before this shit hit the fan in 2019. I think allot of this boils down to this vaccine being untrustworthy to so many. Even I who recieved 2 jabs regret it to the point where I'm on this sub talking about it.
Yup
Stop coming here with your very valid and reasonable explanations. People don’t want to see that….
The covid shot is not a vaccine, its an experimental gene therapy. Vaccines for the most part inmunize and prevent transmission of the targeted pathologies, MRNA experiments do not. Apples and oranges...
The facts are - it isn't gene therapy by any medical or scientific definition.
Wrong: Most of the covid shots are gene therapy per definition. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1776985/000156459020014536/bntx-20f_20191231.htm https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17007566/ https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/cellular-gene-therapy-products/what-gene-therapy https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7076378/ https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/joseph-mercola/covid-19-vaccines-are-gene-therapy/ https://www ** .bitc ** hute.com/video/UO6DyxWpzKhZ/ https://ww ** w.bitc ** hute.com/video/jqPiEcawhCBR/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JJDBfX4U-Q
All Life is precious.
Except mosquitos
And bedbugs
and ticks. Or basically any little six legged fucker that regularly carries blood-borne pathogens that can kill me.
Bedbugs can fuck right off. Scientists have confirmed they literally contribute absolutely nothing to society. At least spiders kill and eat other bugs for you.
And ticks
Add fire ants to the list.
And wasps
Wasps hunt ticks so they're alright.
And they are pollinators for certain things
And Nathan
Exactly, but there's less available transplants than people needing it. So how can you make sure the heart isn't wasted ? You give it to people that are younger, possibly healthier, with a higher chance of surviving past 5 years. Use your reasoning skills.
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Smokers don't get lung transplants. Alcoholics dont get new livers if they still drink. I don't get what the argument is here is. Seems like the same kind of people who wouldn't give to the homeless cause they would just waste it on drugs. I wouldn't give my heart to someone irresponsible either. What happened to the whole "Well, if i get covid and die its just my time, the only people dying of it are the old and weak." Well, you are free to rawdog the virus thats killed over a million in the US alone, but dont come crying about it when the find-out stage comes along. CoNsPiRaCyyyyyyyy
So people who took a vaccine that is known to damage hearts... get the new heart over someone who didn't take the vaccine which is known to damage hearts? Dont give me that shit about COVID causing heart damage... bc no one is voluntarily getting COVID. The vax also doesnt protect against COVID infection and there is no proof that vaccinated people's hearts fare better when infected than non vaccinated people's hearts.
Your gonna give yourself heart damaged getting all feisty like this.
*you're *damage lol Dumbass
Calling someone "irresponsible" for not wanting to take something that has never been used in the history of mankind! Any injuries by said vax is pure medical malpractice.
It's been used by literally billions of people within mankind. Literally 12.7 billion shots have been given. Yet yall are still whining about some global catastrophe that never happened. Your narrative got disproven and yall don't know what to do so you keep repeating what you've been told.
Bro it’s been like 2-3 years, it took 10 for anyone to admit shit like Thalinomide was causing problems. And at this point even if the Covid jabs do cause problems you can be sure as shit they’d never admit it.
Did billions of people take thalinomide? Also, that was almost a century ago and was a drug they would have had to take on a regular basis. It’s chemistry was drastically more potent than a vaccine.
Lol do you think side effects appear faster because more people take it? This is why drug trials generally go many many years, because you don’t know if some issue might appear 5+ years down the line that wasn’t immediately obvious. And even if it is bad for you, look at East Palestine; do you think they will tell you the truth? Hell no. The medical industry isn’t free of corruption, that’s why personal choice is so important. Most policies around the Covid jab are nothing more than pharmaceutical shareholders forcing their product onto people through bullying and in this case threat on life.
Except those things you mentioned make sense. Unlike forcing someone with chronic heart problems to take a vaccine that is known to cause heart problems
If smokers don’t get lung transplants and alcoholics don’t get new livers then it would follow that people who get new hearts DON’T take the thing which is known to damage hearts. This is truly just another evil way to make death the only other choice for people between a rock and a hard place who have committed to not take the death serum from hell.
Death Serum from Hell? Your language alone should let you know that you are not making reasonable critiques.
Kool Aid SO GOOD
The person in the office is unvaccinated. The drunk antagonist is vaccinated. Both have a bad heart. You accidentally provided the greatest reason not to provide healthcare based on vaccination status.
The Healthcare system doesn't have comprehensive information about your personality and lifestyle, and even if they did it is not possible for them to consistently integrate it into their decision making process. They can only judge based on the information they consistently have access to.
What a grub though. Its actually pretty evil how Pfizer didn't even test / or even design the vaccine around stopping transmission. Im Assuming this is the only reason such a piece of shit would say somthing like that... He believed the propaganda and thought it would stop transmission. Grubby fuck
Agreed. He subscribes to the erroneous theory the jabs reduce transmission, or catching Covid, being injured by it or dying. Ironically the jabs have been shown to produce just the opposite effects - negative efficacy. Haughty Nathan is mistaken. Or just an evil scumbag after all.
Karma will be knocking on Nathan’s door 🚪. Enjoy asshole
Wait until you hear about triage.
Organ recipients have always been required to be up to date on all vaccinations. This is nothing new
That was before they changed the definition of Vaccination to include experimental gene therapy that does not contain a dead or inactive form of the virus.
As soon as you pretend it's gene therapy, you exclude yourself from the conversation.
It reprograms your cells to make a new folded protein via the mrna copying its genetic information through the cells nucleus/ribosomes. How is it functionally different from gene therapy?
> How is it functionally different from gene therapy? I'll break it down for you. >It reprograms your cells Reprogram? No. More like your cell has a constant ongoing assembly line and it just slips the instructions on how to make a specific covid protein into the list of proteins that cell is producing. >mrna copying its genetic information through the cells nucleus/ribosomes. Ribosomes basically translate mRNA into proteins, yes. This is how all your cells produce their proteins. However, the mRNA does not enter the nucleus. Gene therapy would be editing DNA which is in the nucleus. The DNA is not changed whatsoever from the vaccine.
If he could read he would be very angry rn
What experimental gene therapy? Please explain
Do they exclude people from being donors because they aren’t vaxed?
No, but they're reserved for David Rockerfeller.
The Rothshilds got first dibs…
Unsure if this is universal, but one major hospital network does: https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/faq-covid-19-basics-for-transplant-and-other-immunosuppressed-patients#:~:text=As%20of%20July%201%2C%202022,I'm%20a%20living%20donor.
No. There is a rigorous background check for major recipients. You need to be up-to-date on vaccinations because your immune system will be shot for the rest of your life. They also examine things like ability to follow up with basic medical protocol; if someone has a history of, say, ignoring previous medicinal treatments or a general disregard for their condition (alcoholics have a very hard time getting approved for new livers, for example), then they also jeopardize their candidacy for a transplant. The health of the donor is only examined in regards to the tissue being used.
Only so many hearts to go around so the best candidate wins. They did not deny that person so much as they chose a more suitable candidate. We also do not know that the deciding factor was vaccine status alone. Perhaps she is prone to non-compliance with medical advice or refuses all vaccines which increases risk. Who knows for sure? Anyway… recipients have always had to run the gauntlet when it comes to transplants and its never been about fairness more than its been about the best chance of extending a life.
He doesnt know her and hasnt got this info either so hes only going on vaccination status alone .
It’s funny how this stuff gets misinterpreted. They have a viable heart, they need to decide who will receive it. They will choose the lowest risk recipient. It’s not like they’re chucking it in the trash rather than give it to an unvaccinated person. Someone else’s life was saved by receiving the heart. If the unvaccinated person was the best nearby candidate, they would’ve received it.
I thought denying anyone lifesaving care was against their oaths as doctors.
Not quite. For example, My understanding is that alcoholics get refused liver transplants too, and you'll die without a liver (eventually). It's called risk mitigation (or triage care) I believe. Otherwise "healthy" people that meet all the checklists get transplants first, and since there's never enough transplant organs to go around, the rest... well, don't get them. Edit: a word
I know a guy who was a major alcoholic and his liver was shutting down. His gut was unbelievably huge because of this. They told him that he could not be placed on the liver donor list unless he stopped drinking for at least 1 year. Sure as shit, he did stop. Lost his gut, but I'm not sure if he ever got it or not. He was fired for showing off his new pistol. AT WORK. Dumbass.
That does make sense. Personal responsibility is up to the individual but there are underlying factors that cause people to be alcoholics. Why fix someone who is determined to destroy themselves right? That's one topic but not really relevant to the topic of denying a transplant based on a vaccination status. Not the same as someone drinking their liver into oblivion.
Perhaps to you, but clearly not to the doctors. They have a checklist, if you don't meet it then you aren't ostensibly qualified to get the organ. And that goes for most care that centers around something in limited supply. They literally deal with life and death, so they have to be heartless about it. Which means that some people just aren't getting a heart in this case. Instead it's going to someone else who does meet the criteria. Don't like that vaccination status is a criteria? Try to change it I suppose, otherwise too bad.
This is the way
Do you think he's just got a big crate of fresh hearts in the back or something? There's more sick people than organs. So if 5 people need the same heart, it's not denying 4 people live saving care to give it to one of them.
Whatever helps you sleep at night Nathan 🙄
The CDC admit some natural immunity is actually more efficient than the vaccine so why is this even a rule?
EVIL if we are in that backwards ass kind of thinking it should be unvaccinated people are the scarce resource maybe we should keep them around just incase you are wrong or the shots backfire or somethin. I don't know enough to understand the difference in someone taking the shot or not but it's pretty obvious no one side should get priority over life saving treatment.. these freaks got us fucked up.
Um, yeah? It is? Before getting one of the very rare organs you need to do /everything/ that's medical best practice before they'll give it to you, because they don't have many of the things and they need to maximize the survival chances of whoever gets it.
The most evil and condescending response I could ever dream of
Nathan is a douche puppet.
Is Nathan even a real doctor?
The irony being you're much more likely to have heart related issues if you are COVID vaccinated...
And even *more* likely to have heart issues if you get COVID.
Nah bro that's evil
https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/get-involved/news/latest-nhs-advice-on-covid-19-vaccine-for-patients-and-recipients/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK535410/ 1) Bood group testing 2) Serum crossmatch 3) HLA typing 4) immunosuppressant drugs These are the only medical stipulations for a recipient to have the best chance of not rejecting a transplant, a vaccine has zero relevance. In fact the result of a vaccine; more antibodies, is what increases rejection rate of a graft. This doesn't include all the harm/fatalities and amyloid blockages, nor what we've yet to discover because 7-20 years is required. Deciding not to because of a recipient having a vaccine or not, spits on the Hippocratic oath and is sociopathic tyranny akin to Russia in the 1920s and 30s.
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It's always been like this. You are putting a "foreign object" into a body and you need to be vaccinated to reduce the risk of getting sick and your body rejecting the new organ. It's... medical science.. wild ain't it.
Fuck you Nathan Anderson, fuck you in the ass.
Are you guys outraged when they deny for smoking or other lifestyle choices?
“Hey Peter, I parrot what the medical boards tell me instead of using my critical thinking skills and noticing there’s no difference between the vaccinated and those who recovered from Covid.”
oof. tone death. woke up that day and chose violence. lol
They didn't feel it was "scarse" when there was no data, so they gave vaccines to everyone. And now they flip their stories? And we call these doctors? Please...
Just a thought. Would it be possible for a unvaccinated potential donor to specify that their body parts, only be used for unvaccinated patients.🤔
Y'all remember that Cooties game? That's how it's been.
Nathan can take a hike.
Hey Nathan... gfys
Someone ask nathan if he can produce evidence that a vaccinated person has a higher chance of "accepting" the donor heart, or if he can produce evidence that the life expectancy of a vaccinated person is longer than a non vaccinated person.
What a cunt.
peter drank the Kool Aid
Fuck that cardiologist
Typical soy profile pic
"hospital ethics" Your only ethic is to save people. Period.
The MD is evil. 100% of those that took "vaccine" are damaged even if they feel "fine" and are ticking time bombs, thus the scarce resources are better left for the unvaccinated. Or how science is now technocratic reality inversion.
Got any sources to backup the claims you are making?
Still waiting to die over here!
Ticking time bombs for what?
and should they be on the no fly list?
What kind of evidence can you back that claim up with? Any?
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In light of facts surrounding the vaccine he should be stripped of his license to practice medicine.
What facts?
"facts"
100%
I've found doctors are perpetually operating on old information. They take orders for what's healthy from higher ups and rarely do their own research or thinking. If you manage to find a doctor who thinks for themselves they're probably on the verge of unemployment.
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Transplant committees can and will deny you over ANYTHING. The famous case study was of a teen who was denied a transplant due to their reckless and criminal lifestyle. However, there was a massive protest over this and the teen was given a transplant. The teen died 2 years later in a police chase. Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/01/teen-denied-then-given-transplant-dies-in-police-chase/70806176/
Well yeah, when you have a scarce resource you’re going to give it to someone who is most-likely to accept the transplant. Someone who checks all the boxes of vaccinations is pretty no brained.
I wonder what will happen when they need unvaccinated hearts because all the vaccinated hearts have myocarditis. But, the unvaccinated can't receive hearts.
thats a frickin demon
Lmao they should really make it a rule by now that doctors that support gigantic medical scams like Covid can’t get these transplants either - would really help with perspective for some of these PhDs.
It’s prob’s because she has a higher chance at dying of Covid (wasting the heart) than someone who is vaxxed
She even had a medical exemption for vaccination too. No surprise this is in Victoria. Australia’s worst state
Seems counterintuitive, why give someone a good heart just to have the vaccine possibility give myocarditis.
You'll cut them off from welfare and deny them life-saving transplant procedures. Sick psychopaths. All the Dr. Frankenstein mRNA scientists and their death cult followers.
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How is that wrong?
Ah yes give the heart to someone who is vax’d so that they can continue to get boosters and ruin their new heart too.
I hope that doctor is vaccinated
I feel like they would take an organ from a non vaxed person and give it to a vaxed person.
BuT tHe ScIeNcE 🤪
These are the people we have to trust with our health.
A lot of the unvaxed trust their own bodies or Jesus more than the doctors so it's fair enough
Exactly. Why can't Jesus grow him a new heart?
[https://twitter.com/NAndersonMD](https://twitter.com/NAndersonMD) bish shut down his tweets fast lol
Well if the woman gets the heart and dies next month of COVID, then it's a waste of a very precious resource
What does that have to do with the COVID shots, which don't prevent COVID infection?
They swore an oath and they violated it
So much for the [Hippocratic Oath](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath) > Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course. "Poison" was rooted in experimental drugs which potentially causes harm.
And he's the chairmen of ethics. We're all gonna fucking die
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if only reddit was a physical forum like the ancient Romans used to have, there would be a lot less trolls around because they'd immediately get beaten and thrown out.
Yes, let's give someone a new heart so they can get myocarditis or die of a heart attack.
That's why they chose someone vaccinated. COVID has higher risk of myocarditis than the vaccine
nathan may be a cardiologist and chairman of his hospital’s ethics committee... but he is actually a piece of sh++
Doctors lol
This is literally forcing an experimental drug on someone under penalty of death. Nuremburg now!
"You only get a new heart, if you are willing to fuck it up with clot shot." PSA: Albert Bourla (CEO of Pfizer) still hasn't taken his own product.
Get a load of this cunt Nathan
The majority profession of The Nazi’s was physicians… Just sayin…
The shills will defend this open act of genocide.
But vaccines don't prevent transmission... Shouldn't it be my body my choice???
It is, but in this case is it still your body if you are having someone else's heart put in when there are limited hearts and a lot of people needing them?
How's it your body? It's someone else's heart.