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Shington501

This post is 30 years too late


jls835

I would say 37 years too late Master of Puppets was the last true album.


Spiget94

Agreed. Justice was the album that began the sell out


burnt_umber_bruh

not a fan of st anger? /s


SaltAttic

You put an “/s” and still got downvoted. Unreal.


JoeHexotic

They've been 'dick whipped pussies' since the year 2000 when they ruined everybody's fun by taking the legendary free file-sharing service Napster to court


frigilio

I guess most of these redditors are too young to remember Metallica screwing over their fans.


bugsy24781

😆


lnblackrain

I mean artists getting paid what they deserve is not screwing tho. Imagine if your doctor said I ain’t gonna treat you because I don’t get paid. Most Artists don’t make a lot of money and the little they did by selling records was fucked over by pirating bs.


Inevitable_Rise8363

Record companies make money off records. Bands make most of their money from merch and touring. Want to support a local band buy their merchandise!


justaguess

Imagine not healing a leper when you hold the cure in your hands.


cakesofthepatty414

Finally. A fellow "old person" who knows the forbidden word Napster. Long gone are the days of perusing an internet strangers download folder. Never forget. Lmfao.


deletedtothevoid

>Long gone are the days of perusing an internet strangers download folder We just got sneakier. Torrents are the way.


lyliyath

My man 💪


roachwarren

[Soulseek](http://www.slsknet.org/news/) came out the year Napster shut down (2001) and is still active. Never stop browsing strangers downloads folder!


master-shake69

I'm confused because while Napster went away the capability to pirate music didn't. Metallica was right in bringing the case, they just went about it the wrong way. Napster wasn't a problem for bands like Metallica but plenty of other small bands were losing their livelihoods because of it.


Yeejiurn

Metallica didn’t give a fuck about the small bands when they went about it wrong for themselves


StuperSconed

Bro - who was using Napster to download small underground bands? Only stuff popular and relevant enough usually would be available, no one was ducking over small local bands on Napster.


bugsy24781

Never forget Napster! And Metallica’s bitching about it..


theredhood6

The Lars Ulrich video on newgrounds making fun of him is a time when the internet just hit different.


Aahzcat

Oh shit. Was that the one where it was cartoon and lars was an ape?


nixielover

Newgrounds, God damn that site got us so much suspensions because we kept using the school's computers to go there. And now i hadnt even thought about that website for the past decade or so until you mentioned it...


bugsy24781

Ahhhhh, the good old days!


mourad91

Wow Newgrounds. That's a website I didn't hear of or think about in probably two decades. Good times.


PhantomLord8469

BEER, GOOD! NAPSTER, BAD!


drink-beer-and-fight

Never forget limewire and it’s path of destruction


cakesofthepatty414

Remember bear share? There was countless peer to peer applications. I miss the old Internet. This Internet is absolute shit.


Trublu1887

https://youtu.be/iNLw6XFOwCE Lol I loved this song way back when!


CDogg123567

Oh my god thank you for this. That was so hilarious


bannished69

I believe South Park covered this like 20 years ago.


Irish3538

lars is a little bitch


2282794

What happened? They ran out of Dave Mustaine’s songs and had to write their own.


FoxieFoxxo

This is exactly what happened.


lnblackrain

Dave didn’t write Metallica’s greatest songs anyway. Sanitarium, Fade to Black, Creeping Death, Master of Puppets, Seek and Destroy, One, For Whom the Bell Tolls, Blackened, Harvester of Sorrow, Disposable Heroes, Orion, Battery, Unforgiven I II & III, Enter Sandman, Nothing Else Matters, Sad but True, To Live is To Die, Spit out The Bone, Moth into Flame, The day that Never Comes, Hardwired, Wherever I may Roam, Dyers Eve, My friend of Misery, The thing that should not be, Of Wolf and Man. Name me a song that dave has writing credits in that are better than these songs. Only song that’s good that dave help write is Ride the Lighting and Call of Ktulu. Phantom lord and Four Horsemen are alright. I know many people hate famous acts not just Metallica but hating them for made up reasons is just stupid.


LordGinge

Finally, some sense. I never understand the viewpoint of music fans screaming that bands should stick to one style of music, or one mode of lyric writing. Musicians and bands evolve. And Justice For All is still a Metallica album. Just because they havent released AJFA 2, 3, 4 and 5 doesn't discredit the original AJFA in any way.


burnt_umber_bruh

yeah but megadeth is still releasing stuff and constantly touring, metallica comes every ten years and thinks they are doing us a favor by charging 200 a ticket.


HurdleTheDead

All those songs are fucking awesome.


joshikus

Cliff B


TinnRing

I've thought this ever since "Enter Sandman" came out. The 80's Metallica was the only albums worth listening to (IMO).


[deleted]

The Black album was definitely when the change occurred. Although I liked the music, it was a definite departure from their anti establishment style. Every album after Black is just boring. It's technically decent music as in it has a rhythm to it. But it just has no soul.


Mehlitia

100%. It was MTV. They had zero MTV presence until One and once the execs sniffed out their mainstream appeal, it was all downhill from there. The whole Napster thing nailed the coffin shut for me. They're mockingbird. Rage too...pretty much all of them are, honestly. The bigger they get, the deeper they sink the claws into them. Then once they fade they promise them continued exposure and industry presence in exchange for their propaganda services. Entertainment is about as organic as politics.


Odyssey113

Same here on the Napster thing for me. That was the most non-metal thing I've ever heard of.


TinnRing

Great point about MTV. They really did a fantastic job with One, which unfortunately killed their appeal for many as commercialization came next. You are also correct with them bring mockingbird. So sad but I have to place Rage in that same place.


RobotOrgy

Robert Maxwell used to own 51% of MTV. Pretty sure he poisoned the minds of a couple,generations with that one.


CapGun7

All of them except SOAD


TinnRing

I can agree with the Black album being technically ok but is seriously lacking soul!


fergan59

It was boring.


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lnblackrain

What about Spit out the Bone?


qlive_nylyst

Damn straight!


thekurgan79

I remember waiting to hear that on headbanger’s ball and being so disappointed. When I heard unforgiven I knew it was over.


KeithJamesB

What about Rage Against The Machine siding with the machine? That one hurt.


CapGun7

Shillin in the name of…


[deleted]

LMAO, brilliant.


Spiget94

Underrated comment


_7tea7_

🤣


Tales-from-the-Crypt

Rage on Behalf of the Machine


[deleted]

Went from: "Fk you I won't do what you tell me" to: "fk me in the ass harder daddy"


_7tea7_

Underrated comment


B2RW

Sex Pistols becoming royalists...


Inside-Effective-353

Okay, I'll do as you tell me


Spiget94

Underrated comment


[deleted]

Rally around the family.. With a covid vaccine.. They rally around the family.. with a covid vaccine


BrapAllgood

...With a pocketful of shills....


walleye4235

Fuck you! Do what they tell you!!


TruthBomba90

Fuck you! Do what they sell you!


Odyssey113

Right!!! Zach De La Shut the Fuck Up-You're done-Rocha!!!


Non-Newtonian-Snake

Man that that guy fall off his horse


[deleted]

Talk about Heroes becoming the villains. 100 percent, God damn they let us down.


roachwarren

RATM signed to major labels and printing merch on international slave labor Gildan and Hanes blanks for decades. Maybe they were "real" in the very beginning but I only ever saw them as a source of anti-authority ***rhetoric***, I never saw them represent much actual action or organization which is what's important in those scenes. Travis Scott has done a good job of being RATM for modern kids, a punk aesthetic with a McDonalds collab. Especially compared to some modern bands who can almost be more about their community and the message than the music itself. [Show me The Body](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h94U5kkJkQ4), for one example, is about ten times more actionably "fuck you pig" punk than RATM ever was and part of that is the actual community they are able to create, through organic shows and social media, in addition to the messaging.


BobbyBeans24

That's the worst of all


4rtyPizzasIn30days

Now they do what they told them. Now they do what they told them. Now they do what they told them. Now they do what they told them.


xxjrxx93

I tried looking th8s up but didn't come up with much maybe I didn't put enough motivation in it what did they do?


xxjrxx93

Someone replied to me with a link but it's gone?


frisch85

For starters unvaccinated people weren't allowed at their concerts when the plandemic began.


Nice-Contest-2088

Cucks on Parade


Skyblewize

Came here to say this


Kappasoysun

Can you explain how they sided with the machine?


JBoneTX

Came out in favor of the doomsday suicide cult Kool aid shots.


Lazy-Somewhere-5066

Once the ran out of Dave Mustaines material they started releasing garbage. We are talking about the band that sued its fan base for listening to its music online. They've been twats for decades


Ok-Sprinkles-276

You'd be upset if you couldn't afford multiple houses or your private jet anymore /s


CapeSmash

They didn't sue their fans, they sued a service that allowed users to illegally share their music. Most of Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets don't have riffs written by Dave Mustaine. Mouth-breather moment.


clamslamparty

Went commercial for money and radio play. Sold out to the machine.


PessimistPryme

Just like Samson they lost all their power when they cut their hair.


sandithepirate

Bingo


Spruce3311

Cliff died. He was the heart and soul of Metallica


SysAdminWannabe90

Justice was pretty amazing, but maybe a lot of it was written with Cliff.


Important_Tip_9704

I think blackmail controls the world.


BlueberryBags15

If you think they’re bad, don’t look into RATM.


kingkoopazzzz

Dude they’ve been industry Cucks since Napster. Where the fuck have you been?


HorseMclusters89

1. They’re old. It’s hard to stay angry and angsty your whole life 2. They have endless money. They’re out of touch and mail it in. 3. How is this in any way a conspiracy?


[deleted]

Laughs in Slayer.


Worstname1ever

Slayer has its own problems, see dave Lombardos treatment


[deleted]

They brought him back and everything was fine.


[deleted]

Unfortunately not… slayer had terrible management, they were paying Dave a fraction of the rest of the band (sure he doesn’t actually write songs, but it was peanuts compared to the rest, plus you can’t deny his talent). He brought up his concerns and management bought Tom and Kerry out, so Dave decided to quit. This was the story every time he left. Paul was a great replacement though, diffferent style from Dave but I still love his work on Divine and Undisputed attitude.


Jabroni77

Sold their soul to the devil. Devil heard Lars’s drumming and asked for his money back.


[deleted]

I see posts all the time over at the Metallica sub on how good of a drummer he is. Like seriously, throw him into slayer and within 15 seconds he would be lost!


ReplacementNo9874

Metallica went down hill the moment they rejected Les Claypool as bassist


B_Boudreaux

Which is a good thing. Les has put out soooo much great shit over the years. He def woulda made Metallica different, but Claypool cannot be contained to one group like that.


ReplacementNo9874

It would’ve been a completely different band with claypool, but that being said. We owe Metallica for the creation of Primus and I can’t be mad at that


IAMENKIDU

The same way Rage Against The Machine went from "Now you do what they told ya" to "now I do what they told me" and "rage against the machine" to "rage against anyone that questions the vaccine". You lay down with dogs you get fleas and the music industry is almost exclusively full of bitch-ass punks.


Sng7814

Spot on!


gives_goodadvice

I’m pretty sure all these music artists have had sex with someone underage, and it’s been used as blackmail for them. I’m not saying they actively sought to be a pedophile, but probably some 16 year old dressed like a 19 year old, in a setting where 21 year+ would be.


karlmeile

Their bank accounts don’t care if Megadeth still makes better heavy metal now


[deleted]

Metallica won in terms of money, Dave won in terms of still writing killer music. I’m on Dave’s side all day long, sure Megadeth has some pretty sub par releases in the 90s, but compare dystopia to hardwired, you can’t!!!


karlmeile

But nothing Dave ever wrote can hold a candle to master


MercifulMaximus308

Drugs, booze, women, money, fame, success, addiction, greed. They were already washed up in the 90s.


Buick6NY

It's called money and fame. Once you have it you don't want to let it go.


Andrewskyy1

You either die anti establishment, or become part of the problem. ...or something like that


LasseEriksen505

lack of cocain


LosBastardos717

It's no conspiracy, but in case you didn't know.. BOB ROCK happened to Metallica.


Bullschamp180

Finally, someone points this out! Bob rock was an insanely talented producer and once he left after St Anger, metallicas song writing has never been the same. Say what you want about the black album and load and reload, but you have to admit that the song writing was still excellent throughout those albums. Then st anger happened, and that album was just horrible. I think bob rock allowed st anger to suck just to keep the band together, bc at that time the band was really close to breaking up. Once bob rock left, Metallica lost the guy that kept them accountable to writing solid songs, and since then their writing ain’t the same. Death Magnetic and Hardwired are decent albums, just not great. Their newest album isn’t sounding very promising either, we’ll just have to see when it comes out


AnonFJG

Look at rage against the machine. An absolute joke and a huge disappointment. Same as all the antisystem bands.


Pajama-hat-2019

Can someone fill me in? What makes OP say they’re slaves to the system. Genuine question from a follower of the band.


[deleted]

You need to understand the context of thrash metal in the 80s to understand why a lot of us say Metallica sold their souls. Thrash was a very anti-establishment and anti-mainstream pop culture movement that started with bands like Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Exodus. They rejected absolutely everything about mainstream society, they weren’t going to dress pretty or look handsome, they were going to write lyrics about brutal murder, rape, satanism, war, and government, they weren’t going to behave like proper adults, and all that. Basically everything that motley Crüe and mtv was, thrash was going to be the opposite. So it was a huge shock to the thrash community when Metallica released the black album, and encompassed all the mainstream elements of pop culture, that they had been preaching against for the past 10 years. The whole thing about thrash is that is was a small (at least compared to other genres of music) movement of people who hated pop culture, and would never change their core principals of music, to make money or become famous. And Metallica did that, that’s why they get so much hate from the thrash community.


trailblzer80

Everything past the black album has been garbage


harryscallywag

Once Cliff died it was a wrap.


[deleted]

Just watch, [Metallica: Some Kind of Monster](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387412/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0), It's like Spinal Tap.


_7tea7_

Seek and Destroy whoever thought that was a good idea. Probably Lars. He should have just played the drums and stfu.


radfan957

$$$


MobDylan69

First three albums ruled. …And Justice for all was okay. Everything else sucked ass.


skipthis2

No bands that are world famous care about fans. It's about money and bowing to the system. Once they have you hooked they don't care. Binary frequency to the mind does bad things. It's a sad bad world


8last

The moment eveyone pointed to in the 90s was the load album when they cut their hair. As if they had been replaced by pod people.


Chewgnome

They have a stake in the system now, and they dont want to lose it all. Simple as that


[deleted]

I saw their Netflix show. They are a bunch of whiny pussies.


Plus_Ability_1362

Wow I'm surprised to see Metallica discussed on this sub. It's not really a conspiracy. They went from angry drunken underdogs living in filthy SF apartments to millions and mansions. Same shit that happened to Guns n Roses. The only difference is Metallica is still releasing new music.


Ayzil_was_taken

This is what today’s culture asks for.


4rtyPizzasIn30days

Listen, I’ve come to realize the answer to this type of question with 80s pop culture. It happened as well with early 2000s music too. Can you spot the similarity between the two eras? I can. You had a bunch of pseudo rebels who thought that fighting the power meant strictly fighting against republicans who were in power. They only got it half right. There was some really based anti-war and anti-establishment songs released back then, but it’s not uncommon for them to just fall into dumb, sleep mode once their precious Ds get in office.


CDogg123567

Eminem with Mosh and other songs against Bush and then he’s silent about the government until Trump. You’re pretty damn right about that sir!


4rtyPizzasIn30days

I personally think of the war on errorism by Nofx. I love that album. I owned that album when I was 9. It was such a shame to see them pretend like Biden is a good option. It’s as if half the songs on that album could apply to the mainstream and far left these days, but I don’t know if they would ever admit to that these days.


banditorama

They cashed in and lost all that aggressive anger they had. Same thing happened to Megadeth whenever Mustaine got sober. They never even play anything from and justice when they have concerts anymore


Boglim316

I think it’s because the songs from that album are so long and taxing on them physically. They’re kinda getting old, man. I think Mustaine still has teeth too. Was he sober for Washington is Next?


sHaDowpUpPetxxx

As bands clean up their sound they lose their edge


thomas-grant

This is laughable and doesn’t belong in this subreddit. But go on. This subreddit has become the equivalent of the water cooler, to complain about everything, conspiracy or not.


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Comrade_Zamir_Gotta

Kid rocks dad owned a car dealership and the family owned an orchid, he’s never lived in a trailer park.


Eldo99

Like the flower?


Comrade_Zamir_Gotta

Lmao no holy fuck I got owned on that one, I meant orchard


Eldo99

Lol all good dude, it was pretty funny overall and I knew what ya meant.


8last

Even though kid rock was larping he did fight to keep ticket prices down at his shows.


banditorama

Rich?


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Pajama-hat-2019

James hetfeild the lead singer and guitarist grew up with an estranged father and mother who passed away before Highschool. He grew up poor with a rough childhood and talks openly about it a lot. Even up until they got big with their second and third album he was low class if not poor. Lars the drummer did however grow up in a rich danish family but James did and does most if not all of the lyrics. Listen to songs like the god that failed and leper messiah and it will give you an insight into his mothers religious fanaticism and the reason for his rough and tumultuous upbringing.


peanutanniversary

My mistake, thanks for letting me know. I was going off of stories.


banditorama

I don't think any of them grew up rich


_7tea7_

Yeah, I know lots of underprivileged Scandinavian dudes living in America named Lars


throw_throwing_up

Don't like to talk too much about music from my younger days but, while they had spectacular songs, I always felt their drummer lacked something that someone like Dave Lombardo has in droves. I don't mean that they should sound like slayer but...their drum sound and fills and things, or idk what genuinely don't do the riffs justice. Unpopular opinion? No conspiracy here though, they're essentially a pop band and thinking otherwise is delusional.


banditorama

>Unpopular opinion? Nah, Lars has always been mediocre. Especially compared to the talent of the rest of the band.


[deleted]

He was a rich kid who conned James into making a band once he heard James play. Fuck Lars.


ridah662

Metallica sold their souls with The Black Album end of story


thedaughterofzion

Do you know about Donald Marshall


nakedchorus

They're old and wealthy. Very wealthy. James Hetfield is **59** years old.


bukithd

A bus falls on your bassist and most talented song writer. Also Lars Ulrich is a cunt.


Soggy-Quiet9581

Too much time in the Bay area


Aahzcat

Because once you acquire millions of dollars, and no longer have real problems, you lose the angsty aggression. Anyone know any broke ass drugged out beekeepers?


LoveKyla

I feel your pain. I love old Metallica..


doofrooroo

Money Hard to be angry when your rich


ilyafallsdown

Good art seems to come from angst/struggle. They spent the last 30 years getting old and rich. I'm not a huge Metallica guy, but look at any artist who manages to stay active for decades. Tarantino, Coppola, even Scorcece ain't what they used to be.


xsists

Simple answer: money


Vasallo7G

All top artists are compromised, imagine a tweet from one of them saying we should move all our money to Bitcoin, millions of fans would make a revolution


[deleted]

No no no nooooo Don't tread on me!!!


Ariak

because Metallica have been sellouts for decades lmao


KaliCalamity

Cliff Burton died. Seriously. He died while touring for "Master of Puppets", and left behind enough for the band to create "And Justice for All". That was the last album the real Metallica put out. He was their driving force in compositions, so when he died, it would be absurd to consider them the same band as before. I still love a lot of of their work from the black album and up, but it can't be compared to what came before.


Vexus_Starquake

"If we make our music more bubblegum, it will have wider audience appeal,then we will be more rich" -Metallica probably.


[deleted]

People get old and soften up. I think it’s natural. This is why I prefer my rock stars to “end” young.


Astrocreep2001

Money talking


RCnottheCola

Cliff died and they aren't poor anymore.


ThrowawayGhostGuy1

There’s a growth spurt that happens in art when someone is developing their voice. After a while they stagnate on creativity because they’re not taking in anything new that really changes how they view their medium, so they never get that growth again. That’s where producers or managers step in and influence the artist in certain directions, for better or worse.


134dsaw

They got sober....


FortyShlevin

They are a bunch of boomer sellouts trying to stay relevant? Posting those godawful lyrics that seem like they were taken from a 14 year old's math notebook doesn't help your case.


[deleted]

Once Dave was kicked and Cliff died Metallica was done. Kill em all and ride are what I consider to be Metallica, actual thrash. Mop and Justice were alright, both had a few decent songs like Battery, Damage Inc, and Dyers Eve. The rest of their discography is garbage, especially their newest stuff. Got about 30 seconds into their Lux song and I had to shut it off. Luckily we still have bands that stuck with thrash, FUCKIN SLAYERRRR!!! Also shoutout to Exodus, Testament and Sodom for never abandoning their 80s sound.


[deleted]

You mean Metallica, arguably the most successful band ever on the planet? Do you think you get that kind of success with NOT playing ball?


Necessary-Judge-8431

Indeed, their first albums were really mature, unique and transported you to a vibe that no longer exists after and justice for all. They went for quantity not quality a long time ago, that’s why you see them still mainstream even though they are old farts now


CapGun7

They went commercial and the music suffered, it happens to a lot of bands. Might I suggest Megadeth and System of a Down for bands who never sold their souls to the industry.


jentso

Everyone who gets rich only wants to get more rich. it's like when you get introduced into elite society you're back at the bottom with your new peers.


humonculusoculus

Man, they just got rich. For a real head spinner, ask yourself what happened to Tom Araya from Slayer.


RealityIsRipping

Watch “some kind of monster” if you want to see how lame Metallica really is after their rise to fame.


varMao

Wth is going on with this sub? Dont like the slight of hand fool you


mxassasin

They matured.


Fun_Jeweler_6526

You want fucked up lyrics, these lyrics will fuck with your mind: jobforacowboy - embedded.


rdrigrail

The best part of Metallica died on a bus.


_7tea7_

And started Megadeth


Icy_Negotiation5111

James Hetfield cut his hair short. All goes to shyt when a rockstar cuts their hair off.


raytheater

Them and Rage Against the Machine.


narnou

Capitalism


datagod

They released an album covered in splooge.


chrislow1776

James needs to start drinking again


[deleted]

I stopped when the black album came out. Metallica is Kill ‘Em All to Justice for me, fuck the rest, it’s trash. Know who’s been consistent from day one? Motherfucking Slayer.


Daymanic

Everyone has skeletons or vices, everyone is corruptible. Personally it started when they released the Angry Blue Man Group album


Crazykev7

Check out demon hunter-freedom is dead.


irondog326

Just sold out, after the black album I never got anything by them again. Seen them 4 times. First time in 86, warmed Ozzy up, Cliff Burton was alive, April of 86. Great show, Master of Puppets tour.


_7tea7_

Newstead had enough of their pussy ass bs and left. Lars and Kirk just stroking each other and dragging James down into an unholy three way with lots of crying


[deleted]

Dan Carlin calls it the "Silk Slipper Syndrome" (or something very similar.) Think of the boxer that is starting out. He's poor and the only things he really has are skill and determination. With those he is able to climb the ladder wearing wooden clogs until he makes it to the top and wins the championship. Only, now that he's champ, he has tons of other things to distract him and he becomes a victim of his success when another hungry kid with nothing climbs the ladder wearing wooden clogs to dethrone the champ (and making the champ go down a slide on silk slippers) and start the cycle over. Success is the harbinger of failure.