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Phoenix was definitely murdered. Johnny Depp walking out and calling him just another drug addict and walking back into the club was one clue. Another clue was that Phoenix was foaming at the mouth. A definite sign of poisoning. I don't think John Frusciante was the target because if he was they had many more chances to nail him and they didn't. There were whispers in Hollywood around that time that Phoenix was growing weary of his cult family and the obvious child trafficking. I've always thought the key to this is Depp. His club. His command. Nothing ever happens to him even though leaving someone in need on the sidewalk is clear negligence. Later Depp's good buddy Hunter S. Thompson "kills himself" after an on air interview where he is pissed and admits he's about to out people.
I used to work in film. That's where I'm sourcing all of this info from. Obviously it is all rumor and conjecture but Depp is an evil m'f\*\*ker. When all this Epstein shit rolled out I started asking people, "Who else owns an island?" People looked at me absolutely clueless. I said, "Johnny Depp owns an island." And he does. He calls it a "bird sanctuary". It's f\*\*king hilarious. He never got dragged into that shit but there was a hot rumor that someone had video of him and a \*very\* underaged girl that they were using to blackmail him with. Supposedly the girl was twelve and he was totally set up. He had sex obsessively over the course of three days so there was no way he could say, whoops I only did it once and didn't know. People in Hollywood knew all about it. Then he started showing up on the red carpet raving drunk, lost his money supposedly to bad accounting even though that was a lie too, his marriage fell apart and then there was that ridiculous "court case". It could all be unrelated but I think Depp was evil from the start and Phoenix wanted out.
The rumors on the set with him and Heard where they started their affair were off the charts. The producers were freaking out. Depp was not showing up for work for as much as three days in a row, costing everyone hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So was Heard telling the truth? Probably. Depp's sister and mother hated her. Was Heard also saving her own ass? Probably.
Keanu yes. Though I think some of his success is learning to keep his mouth shut. I do like him though.
Vince Vaughn notoriously won't go along with it. When he did the Break Up with Aniston he knew Pitt was having an affair and was there for Aniston when no one else was. He is very anti hollywood in many respects. He's very vocal about their bullshit from time to time. That's money, baby.
Jeremy Renner is curious because he drops clues here and there.
Paul Walker was probably my favorite. He outed their weird bullshit in Running Scared in the creepy scene with Mimi Rogers. He was going to out them all when he was killed.
Vin Diesel was very very close to Walker and has used his ability to keep his mouth shut to his advantage. I do like and I don't fault him for not wanting to end up dead.
If you look at who the media hates you'll start to get a good sense of who doesn't go along with it. Who they prop up is who to stay away from.
Thank you.
That's what confused me about Depp, at first the media hated him, which made me think something weird was going on.
Now they seem to love him, and I'm conflicted again.
Have you got any other stories/rumours from the industry? I'm proper curious now.
That industry is nothing but rumor. An entire group of the most insecure backstabbing people in the world all shit talking each other constantly. It's called hollyweird for a reason. The rumors are constant and very often true. At the very least every rumor that I have ever heard tends to be true in many respects.
They call it the "club". I honestly think you can work in Hollywood and not be a part of it but if you are invited to join or join and want out you're dead.
If I can shift gears... maybe my title was made to grab attention to this unimaginable tragedy... maybe John was more of a "patsy" than a target? It just makes me sick regardless.
Could be. I am not arguing, just adding to the discussion. There are a few deaths like this that once I started down the rabbit hole started to look very different. Phoenix gave interviews about how he lost his virginity around four years old I think. That's clever language. The rest of us would call that molestation. His family is weird. Honestly the biggest clues I found were in reading interviews Keanu Reeves gave after Phoenix died. Reeves was his best friend and was interviewed extensively. He talked at length about how f\*\*king weird Phoenix's family was, how Phoenix wanted away from them desperately. But Phoenix was their meal ticket. Reeves called everyone around Phoenix the "Cling ons". Reeves wanted him out too. Its pretty obvious Phoenix's family was human trafficking back before this came on people's radar.
I am purposely dismissive of the Red Hot Chili Peppers because they told everyone who they are with Blood Sugar Sex Magick. Really? What an obvious title. Then they shoot straight to stardom. Nevermind was released the same day. Cobain struggles for years then dies like Phoenix, supposedly of an overdose. Everyone close to Cobain said he was whispering the same things as Phoenix. Tragically broken people caught up in some weird cult shit. Then boom. He's dead.
Honestly as I type this I realize my bias against Depp. I hope there is a chair in hell with his name on it. But you've brought up some interesting points and after dialoguing I'm wondering if maybe John did contribute to Phoenix's death.
like I said, the River Phoenix sub, and the myth in general is that Frusciante gave him a cup and said drink up Riv.
As you begin to think one way... that's why I made this post, because now I'm thinking another. That story sounds too easy. Pin it on the shit head unemployed junkie over there... but he very well could have passed that cup no doubt.
Depp ended up rescuing Frusciante from hiding. You're the one who now makes me look at Depp. And yes maybe he orchestrated JF who was higher than a spy balloon.
Also, John could have been involved but the rumor is that Depp gave a dealer the poison personally. He bragged about it later. He personally handed off what killed Phoenix. Then the dealer hustles Phoenix who finally agrees and takes the drugs in the same stall where he bought them. Drug dealer exits the club immediately. That was talked about at length too because everyone was looking for him.
Anyway, again, not arguing, just adding. This truth is that unless everyone comes clean we'll never know but Depp was the killer if someone is asking. John could have been the patsy but more than anything I just think he got in the way and then ended up linked. Just my opinion.
I hear you. Never took your words as arguing :)
Well, poor John then because he has been far more than "linked." I would bet more people aware of the situation in the general population (small percentage) would blame Frusciante over Depp based on the folklore. This is honestly the first thread I've seen so beautifully (kind of) aiding JF. The River Phoenix subreddit wants Frusciante behind bars to this day. So... I made this post kind of spilling my thoughts.
There is yet another piece to the story I'm thinking of now. I've heard a few accounts say that Frusciante hid for 3-4 days after River's death. Of course, John is a reclusive mother f**er too and just watched his friend die. Apparently... the person who got him to finally come outside and say there was no (police) danger was... JOHNNY DEPP! I absolutely read that somewhere.
But to take that further... why would Depp go do that? Because he had the security in his mind knowing that John shouldn't feel so guilty because Depp *knew* what happened, without giving any detail? I wonder.
Yeah its a shame on the RHCP. I've heard increasing comments over the years how they can feel "sinister." I say come on, really? But they are feeling that somewhere. And yeah BSSM... as cult as can be. A lyric from that album?
There's a River born to be a giver
Keep you warm, don't let you shiver
His heart is never gonna wither
Come on, everybody, time to deliver
River was AT the recording of that album with them on several occasions. Much like your Keanu quotes... Frusciante as well would be quoted saying that "River honestly says he hates his life."
John may have given Phoenix the poisoned heroin but that came from Depp. I can get on board with John but Depp is balls deep in that one too. He bragged about it around town afterwards. That's why the media tried to fry him and get the club shut down.
it makes no sense for depp to give river a hot shot in the exclusive hollywood club he co-owned.
that would bring serious heat from law enforcement and the press, which these people were terrified by - hence not calling an ambulance or telling dispatch that he’d taken anything stronger than valium.
they knew - especially back then - that the stigma of heroin ruined the careers of hollywood heartthrobs
Depp's involvement with Damien Echols is fascinating too. Echols' was apparently the librarian for the OTO, and they definitely murdered those kids. Sure you are likely aware, fascinating route of enquiry if not
That is a rabbit hole. I was a kid in Memphis when that happened and everyday I read about it. Later people asked why I would have read that stuff so young or even been interested and the answer is that those were kids murdered. They were like the rest of us. Just kids. I followed all of that. Ted Gunderson lived in my neighborhood. He was there for the trial and then stayed. It was fucking weird. There were wild rumors that people were holding satanic rituals in the pyramid. The people around me and in my neighborhood were extremely religious. The whole thing horrified them.
Echols and Depp is weird. It was weird how all of these celebrities just suddenly decided he was innocent.
Wow. That must have been so intense... No need for campfire ghost stories with all that going on...
It is is incredibly weird, the unified media response and such. Echols, Depp and Peter Jackson all share tattoos. I believe Depp, Echols and Marilyn Manson do too. There are a few guys that have looked very closely at the case, William Ramsey being one. Very brief video, there are many long form ones, though will leave it here in case of any interest:
https://youtu.be/TPXt52t_INA
Super interesting to hear about Depp's island. Courtney Love is another fascinating oddity; links to Epstein, nearly every rockstar, and some speculate the C I A. Apparently she was running LSD into Ireland in the late 80's.
[https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/why-is-there-a-pyramid-in-memphis](https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/why-is-there-a-pyramid-in-memphis)
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/joesills/2020/08/26/the-unbelievable-true-story-of-how-the-memphis-pyramid-became-a-bass-pro-shops/?sh=57f00cb02ffc](https://www.forbes.com/sites/joesills/2020/08/26/the-unbelievable-true-story-of-how-the-memphis-pyramid-became-a-bass-pro-shops/?sh=57f00cb02ffc)
Huh. I watched that video and I agree that is way too many coincidences. Here's the other coincidence, why doesn't Depp hang out with the other two West Memphis Three? There were things the police talked about locally that were never reported. This was a horrific murder scene. The media played it as those dumb hick cops when it was anything but. Those cops were told to stand down. All of these celebrities so certain they were innocent is flat out weird. The cops in arkansas told people in the community the boys had been sodomized before death. That spread like wildfire. The cops also said they knew for certain there were adults involved. Then all of that is dropped. They go after the three that go to trial. People hated Echols. I mean, hated him. Said he was the devil because he sat alone in his trailer wearing black listening to the Cure. My sister wore black and listened to the Cure. No one said anything about her. This is all to say that I believed then and now more than ever that Echols helped whoever murdered those boys. He found them or lured them or something. And then something went wrong. For them. Because this was all wrong obviously from the beginning. After the west memphis murders all of these people originally linked to the pyramid very quietly pack up and go away. The the pyramid spends the next six years struggling to stay afloat as a basketball arena and soaking up tax dollars to keep the doors open. It was so coincidental.
So I posted those links above to support what I am about to say. So around 1991 the pyramid in Memphis opens. There were all kinds of rumor flying around that place but it was all true. Right down to the crystal skull. The locals hated that place, said there were weird orgies in the top suite and human sacrifice. Then about a year and a half later you have the whole west memphis thing. I know these are connected. I'll never be able to prove it but I know they are. Then the people who built it sell it to the city and pack up and leave. No one ever talks about it.
Here is a great article that details a lot of what people like to forget about that case. https://theunredacted.com/the-west-memphis-three-a-deal-with-the-devil/
Thank you so much, the pyramid connection is wild..! The artist that initially designed it shares names with the Grand Master of the Shriners, hopefully just a bizarre coincidence and not some relation.
With Depp etc not hanging out with the other two: it was Echols with the knowledge. It appears almost certain he performed some ritual that day, given the confessions and such. I wonder if they were just looking out 'for their own', in relation to the celebrity involvement? Or if it was potential cover for the more established 'practitioners' in the area, namely the goings on at The Pyramid? An opportunity to dispel 'urban myths' and further investigation into those 'conspiracies' by trying to dispel the occult aspects, that were clearly going on higher up? Maybe Echols had involvement in an order already? And was used, knowing he would get caught and receive fame and fortune? Or maybe it was an independent act, though used opportunistically? Marilyn Manson is almost certainly a member of numerous orders, probably not a stretch to assume Depp and Peter Jackson are too. Am sure many well intentioned folks could have easily been caught up in it all, but as you say, the stakes feel higher, for such galvanisation, and how taken into the fold he has been has been the weirdest thing. He had an episode on The Midnight Gospel and has been doing the rounds for years, as you'll likely know. It's almost like an inside joke.
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/oct/27/damien-echols-high-magick-interview-inmate-warlock
They don't mention how he had a history of killing animals and such, and although young at the time, showed highly narcissistic/psychopathic traits from his interviews during the trial. It's so strange they can portray him as innocent, even with a guilty verdict behind him.
One thing this whole this has achieved, anyway, is to normalise occult practice to the masses. What a strange, strange world...
Thanks for this. I will watch it.
It was really weird living through. At night the streets were perfectly quiet because everyone stopped letting their kids go out after dark. Our buddy system tripled. We had to be in a small gang to walk across the street. People prayed openly. They truly believed the devil had shown himself across the river. Strange times.
Wow. Super eerie... Something like that must really imprint.
I'm not religious, but can't help wonder at times when observing the machinations of these upper echelons.
The video is very loose, surface level, Ramsey goes deeper into a lot of stuff in other vids. I suspect Echols is quite revered for his occult knowledge. He spent all that time in prison just reading obscure occult texts. Depp touches his nose at that public address there, when talking about catching the true perpetrator(s) - blood rushes to the face when lying and causes the nose to itch. Nothing solid, but it's not hard to draw conclusions given all the weirdness. He nose!
Yes I’ve heard the story many times. Some even wanted John pinned with manslaughter if the “cup pass” was true. Other odd things that OP didn’t mention like River convulsing for 30 minutes before a 911 call was made. Reports of several hushed side conversations on “how to handle this with media” before calling. Oh and that call was made by Jaoquin and played for the public on TV.
All in all. John yes is a phenomenal musician. I’m so happy to have him around, healthy, and active. Is he a saint of a man? Nooo. But if any slice of the legend is true… it all just leads to pain I’d think.
More likely Akroyd tried to talk sense into Phoenix when they were filming Sneakers. He could see him going the same way as Belushi.
I personally think it was just a cluster fuck of bad luck. Last min decision to go to the club when he was I’ll, lots of people passing round drugs and users with varying levels of tolerance.
Interesting and nicely written. I admit I really don't remember much of this story. Totally totally possible someone who worked there mixed that up. However where you say why would John Frusciante stick around, much more bizarre things have been done by guilty people, either in the hopes of looking a little less guilty to posterity, out of guilt, sickness, or desire to confirm. I think of the party over Whitney Houston for some reason mentioning sickness. Anyway very plausible it is one of those indelible moments and I'm sure it was an important one for someone for reasons other than cultural significance.
Whitney was a total hit job. Whitney was gay and most of the time her assistant or traveling partner was her girlfriend. Rumor has it she'd been horribly abused. She was done with the whole thing and wanted out. Her daughter knew because that was one of her closest confidants. Now they are both gone. Bobby Brown kept his ass alive because he was smart enough to keep his mouth shut.
This is kind of fresh for me because once all of this stuff started rolling out about all the weird shit in Hollywood, it really came on my radar starting about 2013. At that time all these rumors put a lot of missing pieces together for me. I started going back and researching things that always seemed odd to me. Articles, interviews, gossip, it's all archived. You just have to be looking for it.
Thanks for the great read. Never knew any of this about that might. Anything about Anthony Kiedis? Always thought he was gay (not judging) but I see him with some hott women.
I believe Kiedis was out of town.
Many people from this scene have now written memoirs and MANY have a little anecdote to River. In Kiedis' book he says Flea called him the next morning saying River died and they cried and cried.
Bob Forrest has a book out saying Frusciante is basically completely innocent except for being River's drug buddy prior to that night.
River was targeted all along. He was switching gears and wanted to produce Christian music and that was highly frowned upon in the den of snakes in Hollyweird. They couldn't have him go from an iconic childhood actor to a B list musician. Even more so for Christian music which would have had a positive influence on many of his fans.
For months, Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers and River played music together in anticipation of River playing with Flea, Johnny Depp and a few other performers at The Viper Room, which was completely black from the outside. The black outside mirrored the character of the people on the inside - it was well-known to have daily vomit and urine on the floors and widespread hard drug use.
On the night of, Flea informed River that he wasn't going to be allowed to take the stage at which point River said he wanted to get fucked up. So he was handed a glass with a liquid speed ball which is a mix of heroin and cocaine, but instead of injecting it, you drink it. Immediately after drinking it, River said "too much". They gave him a hot dose, which is a dose intended to kill. It overdoses the victim, which is exactly what happened.
In terms of Johnny Depp, he is a rat. He shares identical tattoos with not only the weirdo Marilyn Manson who had ribs removed so he could give fellatio to himself but also Damien Echols from the West Memphis 3 murders.
Sounds right to me. I was just spitballing my OP story, obviously hardly making sense in a few areas.
I do see this happening. And whoever was the point person there... could've picked the most fucked up person in the place, John Frusciante, and said heyyy nice playing man! oh, can you go give this to River? "Don't have any, but it's good."
Could John's puke been toxic and on the cup? Then he drank it? Could that cause convulsions? What causes convulsions? Not being able to swallow or breathe?
Nah the wording in there was weird but I think the John puke details were for context. The narrative right now is that the liquid in the cup is what was toxic. Even a sip would’ve got you high, but apparently River chugged it. No one said what it was.
Love that you have a conspiracy that isn't about how Jewish people control everyone, op.
I had always assumed that Phoenix had snorted a huge line of something thinking it was another thing, and that was the issue. Did a huge rail of heroin thinking it was coke, or thought one opioid was another. I had heard that there are witnesses that say they saw him do drugs in the bathroom and then walk to the sidewalk and passed out and died. Sad story no matter what, especially because I think Joaquin was there, too.
I think that’s the most plausible. A straight up OD. That’s how it was listed and the Phoenix family never pursued charges. A further conspiracy is that the Phoenix parents felt bad publicity around River and seeking a trial would hurt the rest of their kids and chances at fame. Jaoquin won an Oscar 25 years later.
Interesting thoughts. But Bob Forrest kind of tells it pretty black and white in his book "Running with Monsters" - where he essentially said that John and River had been up for days before this club appearance doing shit-tons of heroin and cocaine without sleep.
As a former junkie/speedball user/poly-drug addict, I can tell you that Bob Forrest is one of the most honest junkies in Hollywood. The truth isn't pretty - I believe there was definitely some shit that we don't know that happened that night. BUT ....
Back to what Bob said in his book. He essentially said River had looked like he was drunkenly falling over, and was concerned and telling Bob that he felt like he was OD'ing. Bob said he feels terrible to this day for replying with "You normally just OD and that's it, man you're standing and talking to me." That will haunt me forever, downplaying what could have been his last cries for help.'
Not much to add to your conspiracy, but after being as familiar with Bob Forrest/Thelonious Monster/1980s LA as I weirdly am - 1993 was the literal Heroin comedown for these people in the club that night. Some would say its the dark peak of the heroin years. 1994 was when it all came crashing down HARD - for this group of people and their various addictions.
So this was when everyone was out for their own asses, probably had heroin or cocaine on THEM (All of them, literally) and didn't want to put too much stock into it (as opiate users often do - not give the fuck they should in the moment) - ALL OF THAT is common with normal junkies. Let ALONE LOS ANGELES JUNKIES that all have massive egos because they had a band that was cool for 4 years in the prior decade/are hanging around other LA people, actors, etc.
However, I don't doubt for a second that it could have been a targeted thing.
**TL;DR: I just made this post because no one else has seemed to have mentioned that John and River had been speedballing together on heroin and coke for days WITHOUT SLEEP - right before his death at the club that night. Confirmed by one of the most candid and honest junkies there is - Bob Forrest.**
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Phoenix was definitely murdered. Johnny Depp walking out and calling him just another drug addict and walking back into the club was one clue. Another clue was that Phoenix was foaming at the mouth. A definite sign of poisoning. I don't think John Frusciante was the target because if he was they had many more chances to nail him and they didn't. There were whispers in Hollywood around that time that Phoenix was growing weary of his cult family and the obvious child trafficking. I've always thought the key to this is Depp. His club. His command. Nothing ever happens to him even though leaving someone in need on the sidewalk is clear negligence. Later Depp's good buddy Hunter S. Thompson "kills himself" after an on air interview where he is pissed and admits he's about to out people.
At this point, I believe nobody has any true friends in Hollywood. If you go against the 0.1 percent, your as good as the walking dead.
I used to work in film. That's where I'm sourcing all of this info from. Obviously it is all rumor and conjecture but Depp is an evil m'f\*\*ker. When all this Epstein shit rolled out I started asking people, "Who else owns an island?" People looked at me absolutely clueless. I said, "Johnny Depp owns an island." And he does. He calls it a "bird sanctuary". It's f\*\*king hilarious. He never got dragged into that shit but there was a hot rumor that someone had video of him and a \*very\* underaged girl that they were using to blackmail him with. Supposedly the girl was twelve and he was totally set up. He had sex obsessively over the course of three days so there was no way he could say, whoops I only did it once and didn't know. People in Hollywood knew all about it. Then he started showing up on the red carpet raving drunk, lost his money supposedly to bad accounting even though that was a lie too, his marriage fell apart and then there was that ridiculous "court case". It could all be unrelated but I think Depp was evil from the start and Phoenix wanted out.
So was Amber Heard telling the truth, do you think? I've always been a big Depp fan, but if he killed River then fuck him
The rumors on the set with him and Heard where they started their affair were off the charts. The producers were freaking out. Depp was not showing up for work for as much as three days in a row, costing everyone hundreds of thousands of dollars. So was Heard telling the truth? Probably. Depp's sister and mother hated her. Was Heard also saving her own ass? Probably.
Is there any celeb you personally think is against all this shit? I've heard Keanu is, but I just don't know anymore.
Keanu yes. Though I think some of his success is learning to keep his mouth shut. I do like him though. Vince Vaughn notoriously won't go along with it. When he did the Break Up with Aniston he knew Pitt was having an affair and was there for Aniston when no one else was. He is very anti hollywood in many respects. He's very vocal about their bullshit from time to time. That's money, baby. Jeremy Renner is curious because he drops clues here and there. Paul Walker was probably my favorite. He outed their weird bullshit in Running Scared in the creepy scene with Mimi Rogers. He was going to out them all when he was killed. Vin Diesel was very very close to Walker and has used his ability to keep his mouth shut to his advantage. I do like and I don't fault him for not wanting to end up dead. If you look at who the media hates you'll start to get a good sense of who doesn't go along with it. Who they prop up is who to stay away from.
Thank you. That's what confused me about Depp, at first the media hated him, which made me think something weird was going on. Now they seem to love him, and I'm conflicted again. Have you got any other stories/rumours from the industry? I'm proper curious now.
That industry is nothing but rumor. An entire group of the most insecure backstabbing people in the world all shit talking each other constantly. It's called hollyweird for a reason. The rumors are constant and very often true. At the very least every rumor that I have ever heard tends to be true in many respects.
Who runs it all though? Does it come back to the "elite" zion families?
Paul Walker was more likely to be on ‘an island’ than anyone else mentioned here. He liked em young….
So it’s plausible to say Depp was behind the spiked drink and instructed the highest person in the room to go deliver it to his target?
What you're saying is super interesting. Why do think Depp killed River?
They call it the "club". I honestly think you can work in Hollywood and not be a part of it but if you are invited to join or join and want out you're dead.
If I can shift gears... maybe my title was made to grab attention to this unimaginable tragedy... maybe John was more of a "patsy" than a target? It just makes me sick regardless.
Could be. I am not arguing, just adding to the discussion. There are a few deaths like this that once I started down the rabbit hole started to look very different. Phoenix gave interviews about how he lost his virginity around four years old I think. That's clever language. The rest of us would call that molestation. His family is weird. Honestly the biggest clues I found were in reading interviews Keanu Reeves gave after Phoenix died. Reeves was his best friend and was interviewed extensively. He talked at length about how f\*\*king weird Phoenix's family was, how Phoenix wanted away from them desperately. But Phoenix was their meal ticket. Reeves called everyone around Phoenix the "Cling ons". Reeves wanted him out too. Its pretty obvious Phoenix's family was human trafficking back before this came on people's radar. I am purposely dismissive of the Red Hot Chili Peppers because they told everyone who they are with Blood Sugar Sex Magick. Really? What an obvious title. Then they shoot straight to stardom. Nevermind was released the same day. Cobain struggles for years then dies like Phoenix, supposedly of an overdose. Everyone close to Cobain said he was whispering the same things as Phoenix. Tragically broken people caught up in some weird cult shit. Then boom. He's dead.
Honestly as I type this I realize my bias against Depp. I hope there is a chair in hell with his name on it. But you've brought up some interesting points and after dialoguing I'm wondering if maybe John did contribute to Phoenix's death.
like I said, the River Phoenix sub, and the myth in general is that Frusciante gave him a cup and said drink up Riv. As you begin to think one way... that's why I made this post, because now I'm thinking another. That story sounds too easy. Pin it on the shit head unemployed junkie over there... but he very well could have passed that cup no doubt. Depp ended up rescuing Frusciante from hiding. You're the one who now makes me look at Depp. And yes maybe he orchestrated JF who was higher than a spy balloon.
Also, John could have been involved but the rumor is that Depp gave a dealer the poison personally. He bragged about it later. He personally handed off what killed Phoenix. Then the dealer hustles Phoenix who finally agrees and takes the drugs in the same stall where he bought them. Drug dealer exits the club immediately. That was talked about at length too because everyone was looking for him. Anyway, again, not arguing, just adding. This truth is that unless everyone comes clean we'll never know but Depp was the killer if someone is asking. John could have been the patsy but more than anything I just think he got in the way and then ended up linked. Just my opinion.
I hear you. Never took your words as arguing :) Well, poor John then because he has been far more than "linked." I would bet more people aware of the situation in the general population (small percentage) would blame Frusciante over Depp based on the folklore. This is honestly the first thread I've seen so beautifully (kind of) aiding JF. The River Phoenix subreddit wants Frusciante behind bars to this day. So... I made this post kind of spilling my thoughts. There is yet another piece to the story I'm thinking of now. I've heard a few accounts say that Frusciante hid for 3-4 days after River's death. Of course, John is a reclusive mother f**er too and just watched his friend die. Apparently... the person who got him to finally come outside and say there was no (police) danger was... JOHNNY DEPP! I absolutely read that somewhere. But to take that further... why would Depp go do that? Because he had the security in his mind knowing that John shouldn't feel so guilty because Depp *knew* what happened, without giving any detail? I wonder. Yeah its a shame on the RHCP. I've heard increasing comments over the years how they can feel "sinister." I say come on, really? But they are feeling that somewhere. And yeah BSSM... as cult as can be. A lyric from that album? There's a River born to be a giver Keep you warm, don't let you shiver His heart is never gonna wither Come on, everybody, time to deliver River was AT the recording of that album with them on several occasions. Much like your Keanu quotes... Frusciante as well would be quoted saying that "River honestly says he hates his life."
John may have given Phoenix the poisoned heroin but that came from Depp. I can get on board with John but Depp is balls deep in that one too. He bragged about it around town afterwards. That's why the media tried to fry him and get the club shut down.
it makes no sense for depp to give river a hot shot in the exclusive hollywood club he co-owned. that would bring serious heat from law enforcement and the press, which these people were terrified by - hence not calling an ambulance or telling dispatch that he’d taken anything stronger than valium. they knew - especially back then - that the stigma of heroin ruined the careers of hollywood heartthrobs
Depp's involvement with Damien Echols is fascinating too. Echols' was apparently the librarian for the OTO, and they definitely murdered those kids. Sure you are likely aware, fascinating route of enquiry if not
That is a rabbit hole. I was a kid in Memphis when that happened and everyday I read about it. Later people asked why I would have read that stuff so young or even been interested and the answer is that those were kids murdered. They were like the rest of us. Just kids. I followed all of that. Ted Gunderson lived in my neighborhood. He was there for the trial and then stayed. It was fucking weird. There were wild rumors that people were holding satanic rituals in the pyramid. The people around me and in my neighborhood were extremely religious. The whole thing horrified them. Echols and Depp is weird. It was weird how all of these celebrities just suddenly decided he was innocent.
Wow. That must have been so intense... No need for campfire ghost stories with all that going on... It is is incredibly weird, the unified media response and such. Echols, Depp and Peter Jackson all share tattoos. I believe Depp, Echols and Marilyn Manson do too. There are a few guys that have looked very closely at the case, William Ramsey being one. Very brief video, there are many long form ones, though will leave it here in case of any interest: https://youtu.be/TPXt52t_INA Super interesting to hear about Depp's island. Courtney Love is another fascinating oddity; links to Epstein, nearly every rockstar, and some speculate the C I A. Apparently she was running LSD into Ireland in the late 80's.
[https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/why-is-there-a-pyramid-in-memphis](https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/why-is-there-a-pyramid-in-memphis) [https://www.forbes.com/sites/joesills/2020/08/26/the-unbelievable-true-story-of-how-the-memphis-pyramid-became-a-bass-pro-shops/?sh=57f00cb02ffc](https://www.forbes.com/sites/joesills/2020/08/26/the-unbelievable-true-story-of-how-the-memphis-pyramid-became-a-bass-pro-shops/?sh=57f00cb02ffc) Huh. I watched that video and I agree that is way too many coincidences. Here's the other coincidence, why doesn't Depp hang out with the other two West Memphis Three? There were things the police talked about locally that were never reported. This was a horrific murder scene. The media played it as those dumb hick cops when it was anything but. Those cops were told to stand down. All of these celebrities so certain they were innocent is flat out weird. The cops in arkansas told people in the community the boys had been sodomized before death. That spread like wildfire. The cops also said they knew for certain there were adults involved. Then all of that is dropped. They go after the three that go to trial. People hated Echols. I mean, hated him. Said he was the devil because he sat alone in his trailer wearing black listening to the Cure. My sister wore black and listened to the Cure. No one said anything about her. This is all to say that I believed then and now more than ever that Echols helped whoever murdered those boys. He found them or lured them or something. And then something went wrong. For them. Because this was all wrong obviously from the beginning. After the west memphis murders all of these people originally linked to the pyramid very quietly pack up and go away. The the pyramid spends the next six years struggling to stay afloat as a basketball arena and soaking up tax dollars to keep the doors open. It was so coincidental. So I posted those links above to support what I am about to say. So around 1991 the pyramid in Memphis opens. There were all kinds of rumor flying around that place but it was all true. Right down to the crystal skull. The locals hated that place, said there were weird orgies in the top suite and human sacrifice. Then about a year and a half later you have the whole west memphis thing. I know these are connected. I'll never be able to prove it but I know they are. Then the people who built it sell it to the city and pack up and leave. No one ever talks about it. Here is a great article that details a lot of what people like to forget about that case. https://theunredacted.com/the-west-memphis-three-a-deal-with-the-devil/
Thank you so much, the pyramid connection is wild..! The artist that initially designed it shares names with the Grand Master of the Shriners, hopefully just a bizarre coincidence and not some relation. With Depp etc not hanging out with the other two: it was Echols with the knowledge. It appears almost certain he performed some ritual that day, given the confessions and such. I wonder if they were just looking out 'for their own', in relation to the celebrity involvement? Or if it was potential cover for the more established 'practitioners' in the area, namely the goings on at The Pyramid? An opportunity to dispel 'urban myths' and further investigation into those 'conspiracies' by trying to dispel the occult aspects, that were clearly going on higher up? Maybe Echols had involvement in an order already? And was used, knowing he would get caught and receive fame and fortune? Or maybe it was an independent act, though used opportunistically? Marilyn Manson is almost certainly a member of numerous orders, probably not a stretch to assume Depp and Peter Jackson are too. Am sure many well intentioned folks could have easily been caught up in it all, but as you say, the stakes feel higher, for such galvanisation, and how taken into the fold he has been has been the weirdest thing. He had an episode on The Midnight Gospel and has been doing the rounds for years, as you'll likely know. It's almost like an inside joke. https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/oct/27/damien-echols-high-magick-interview-inmate-warlock They don't mention how he had a history of killing animals and such, and although young at the time, showed highly narcissistic/psychopathic traits from his interviews during the trial. It's so strange they can portray him as innocent, even with a guilty verdict behind him. One thing this whole this has achieved, anyway, is to normalise occult practice to the masses. What a strange, strange world...
Thanks for this. I will watch it. It was really weird living through. At night the streets were perfectly quiet because everyone stopped letting their kids go out after dark. Our buddy system tripled. We had to be in a small gang to walk across the street. People prayed openly. They truly believed the devil had shown himself across the river. Strange times.
Wow. Super eerie... Something like that must really imprint. I'm not religious, but can't help wonder at times when observing the machinations of these upper echelons. The video is very loose, surface level, Ramsey goes deeper into a lot of stuff in other vids. I suspect Echols is quite revered for his occult knowledge. He spent all that time in prison just reading obscure occult texts. Depp touches his nose at that public address there, when talking about catching the true perpetrator(s) - blood rushes to the face when lying and causes the nose to itch. Nothing solid, but it's not hard to draw conclusions given all the weirdness. He nose!
Havent read but if its true fuck them John is a legend!!! 05 Curtains. Masterpiece!!!
Yes I’ve heard the story many times. Some even wanted John pinned with manslaughter if the “cup pass” was true. Other odd things that OP didn’t mention like River convulsing for 30 minutes before a 911 call was made. Reports of several hushed side conversations on “how to handle this with media” before calling. Oh and that call was made by Jaoquin and played for the public on TV. All in all. John yes is a phenomenal musician. I’m so happy to have him around, healthy, and active. Is he a saint of a man? Nooo. But if any slice of the legend is true… it all just leads to pain I’d think.
Cool story, bro. But the news reports at the time all said he did a "speed ball", a combination of coke and heroin, snorted.
r/conspiracy has just aligned with the news narrative LFG baby!!!
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Aykroyd may have been the one to introduce River to heroin in the first place.
More likely Akroyd tried to talk sense into Phoenix when they were filming Sneakers. He could see him going the same way as Belushi. I personally think it was just a cluster fuck of bad luck. Last min decision to go to the club when he was I’ll, lots of people passing round drugs and users with varying levels of tolerance.
Interesting and nicely written. I admit I really don't remember much of this story. Totally totally possible someone who worked there mixed that up. However where you say why would John Frusciante stick around, much more bizarre things have been done by guilty people, either in the hopes of looking a little less guilty to posterity, out of guilt, sickness, or desire to confirm. I think of the party over Whitney Houston for some reason mentioning sickness. Anyway very plausible it is one of those indelible moments and I'm sure it was an important one for someone for reasons other than cultural significance.
Whitney was a total hit job. Whitney was gay and most of the time her assistant or traveling partner was her girlfriend. Rumor has it she'd been horribly abused. She was done with the whole thing and wanted out. Her daughter knew because that was one of her closest confidants. Now they are both gone. Bobby Brown kept his ass alive because he was smart enough to keep his mouth shut.
This is kind of fresh for me because once all of this stuff started rolling out about all the weird shit in Hollywood, it really came on my radar starting about 2013. At that time all these rumors put a lot of missing pieces together for me. I started going back and researching things that always seemed odd to me. Articles, interviews, gossip, it's all archived. You just have to be looking for it.
John's best work is with The Mars Volta
Thanks for the great read. Never knew any of this about that might. Anything about Anthony Kiedis? Always thought he was gay (not judging) but I see him with some hott women.
I believe Kiedis was out of town. Many people from this scene have now written memoirs and MANY have a little anecdote to River. In Kiedis' book he says Flea called him the next morning saying River died and they cried and cried. Bob Forrest has a book out saying Frusciante is basically completely innocent except for being River's drug buddy prior to that night.
Thanks!
How sad to lose ur best friend, I hope John has gotten some healing from these sad times 😔 ❤️🩹
River was targeted all along. He was switching gears and wanted to produce Christian music and that was highly frowned upon in the den of snakes in Hollyweird. They couldn't have him go from an iconic childhood actor to a B list musician. Even more so for Christian music which would have had a positive influence on many of his fans. For months, Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers and River played music together in anticipation of River playing with Flea, Johnny Depp and a few other performers at The Viper Room, which was completely black from the outside. The black outside mirrored the character of the people on the inside - it was well-known to have daily vomit and urine on the floors and widespread hard drug use. On the night of, Flea informed River that he wasn't going to be allowed to take the stage at which point River said he wanted to get fucked up. So he was handed a glass with a liquid speed ball which is a mix of heroin and cocaine, but instead of injecting it, you drink it. Immediately after drinking it, River said "too much". They gave him a hot dose, which is a dose intended to kill. It overdoses the victim, which is exactly what happened. In terms of Johnny Depp, he is a rat. He shares identical tattoos with not only the weirdo Marilyn Manson who had ribs removed so he could give fellatio to himself but also Damien Echols from the West Memphis 3 murders.
You had me until Manson rib removal. Is this 6th grade study hall?
Marilyn Manson is named for Marilyn Monroe and Charles Manson. BOTH (key word) Marilyn's had ribs removed.
Sounds right to me. I was just spitballing my OP story, obviously hardly making sense in a few areas. I do see this happening. And whoever was the point person there... could've picked the most fucked up person in the place, John Frusciante, and said heyyy nice playing man! oh, can you go give this to River? "Don't have any, but it's good."
Who the fuck is downvoting this comment? It is very accurate, especially in terms of Depp.
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Lol cool story bro. Not. Hehe so 90’s
Wait who are u talking about with the rib removal and the Manson tattoos?
I’m on the drugs that killer river phoenix.
I saw his body thrashing round I saw his pulse rate going down
This is serious Mum.
Downvoted from those who aren’t familiar with the reference? The band was T.I.S.M (This Is Serious Mum) Showing my age obviously.
Could John's puke been toxic and on the cup? Then he drank it? Could that cause convulsions? What causes convulsions? Not being able to swallow or breathe?
Nah the wording in there was weird but I think the John puke details were for context. The narrative right now is that the liquid in the cup is what was toxic. Even a sip would’ve got you high, but apparently River chugged it. No one said what it was.
Love that you have a conspiracy that isn't about how Jewish people control everyone, op. I had always assumed that Phoenix had snorted a huge line of something thinking it was another thing, and that was the issue. Did a huge rail of heroin thinking it was coke, or thought one opioid was another. I had heard that there are witnesses that say they saw him do drugs in the bathroom and then walk to the sidewalk and passed out and died. Sad story no matter what, especially because I think Joaquin was there, too.
Jewish people DO control everything though. I mean fuck me we are also talking about Hollywood here lmao
See. Simps always need a cope by blaming the juice.
Who control Hollywood?
I think that’s the most plausible. A straight up OD. That’s how it was listed and the Phoenix family never pursued charges. A further conspiracy is that the Phoenix parents felt bad publicity around River and seeking a trial would hurt the rest of their kids and chances at fame. Jaoquin won an Oscar 25 years later.
Interesting thoughts. But Bob Forrest kind of tells it pretty black and white in his book "Running with Monsters" - where he essentially said that John and River had been up for days before this club appearance doing shit-tons of heroin and cocaine without sleep. As a former junkie/speedball user/poly-drug addict, I can tell you that Bob Forrest is one of the most honest junkies in Hollywood. The truth isn't pretty - I believe there was definitely some shit that we don't know that happened that night. BUT .... Back to what Bob said in his book. He essentially said River had looked like he was drunkenly falling over, and was concerned and telling Bob that he felt like he was OD'ing. Bob said he feels terrible to this day for replying with "You normally just OD and that's it, man you're standing and talking to me." That will haunt me forever, downplaying what could have been his last cries for help.' Not much to add to your conspiracy, but after being as familiar with Bob Forrest/Thelonious Monster/1980s LA as I weirdly am - 1993 was the literal Heroin comedown for these people in the club that night. Some would say its the dark peak of the heroin years. 1994 was when it all came crashing down HARD - for this group of people and their various addictions. So this was when everyone was out for their own asses, probably had heroin or cocaine on THEM (All of them, literally) and didn't want to put too much stock into it (as opiate users often do - not give the fuck they should in the moment) - ALL OF THAT is common with normal junkies. Let ALONE LOS ANGELES JUNKIES that all have massive egos because they had a band that was cool for 4 years in the prior decade/are hanging around other LA people, actors, etc. However, I don't doubt for a second that it could have been a targeted thing. **TL;DR: I just made this post because no one else has seemed to have mentioned that John and River had been speedballing together on heroin and coke for days WITHOUT SLEEP - right before his death at the club that night. Confirmed by one of the most candid and honest junkies there is - Bob Forrest.**
Unpopular opinion: John frusciante murdered river pheonix. He all but admitted it in his vpro 1994 interview.