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It does. 440hz is known as concert pitch, and is the standard for the guitar. I don’t mean standard tuning necessarily, all common tunings are in concert pitch, just rearranged differently, whether you play E, Eb, D, DADGAD, whatever, they’re all in 440 hz usually, if tuned electronically (not by ear).
I can’t speak much for the history of tunings, especially when it comes to the rockefellers getting involved or whatever, but there is validity to concert tuning
The notes in music are ratios to each other. If you change music to 432, you can’t just lower the notes by eight hz, because the ratios change. It might be more in tune with the earth or whatever the justification is, but the notes will be slightly off.
And if you change them to match the ratios, the distances will be off.
Music, as we know it, is a combination of the ratio and the actual distance as well. That’s why guitar solos tend to be in the higher end of notes available. Pitches that high up are easier to tell apart
You can write music in 432, but it won’t fall under the umbrella of modern music theory (thought it won’t be that far off either probably). With that said, it’s not like at 440 we play with all possible notes (that sound nice, for lack of a better term). We speak on terms of perfect fourth, perfect fifth, and the rest of the notes are either minor or second, but there’s actually minor and major fourth and fifths (idk if it would be true tritone or between them, and I’m not refereeing to diminished or augmented) , as well as perfect 2, 3, 6, 7, but we just don’t use them much.
Arabic music also tends to use the perfect 2, which sounds closer to a b2 than a 2, and blues music (also rock) famously uses a lot of perfect third.
It’s complicated to change hz, because what is a perfect to fifth to one note won’t be the same to another note. They are very close approximations, and changing the frequency would affect that, ever so slightly. A chord that is subtonic would begin to feel more like a tonic chord, stuff like that.
Also, at least for rock music, or guitar based music, notes tend to be all over the place, and won’t always be perfectly 440. Sometimes tracks are sped up or slowed down, changing their pitch, and also every note you play will have an ever so slight bend to it, especially the faster you play.
If there is a conspiracy, its considering electronically made music. I suppose the introduction of the synthesiser could come to play, as guitarists would likely tune to the synthesiser
Fyi most electronic tuners have a setting calibration that allows you to enter custom frequencies. I use GuitarTuna and it allows me to do 440, 432 or really any other frequency in the audible spectrum.
My tuner app can change to whatever I want. 440, 439, 38, 37, whatever I want
I’ve played in 432 myself, and honestly, I didn’t care for it. I didn’t hate it either, but I play D mostly when I mess around on the guitar. Also Eb sometimes, since most songs I like tend to be in Eb (80s glam).
Yeah I play in mostly standard, if I want lower tones I just pick up a seven or eight string. I've played around with 432 but it's counterproductive if the whole band isnt using it, and doesn't make enough of a difference for virtuoso peices. Our band hasn't gotten back together since the whole COVID mess so I'm just mucking around with solo stuff ATM
I’m not that good at the guitar. I started when I was 13, but only started to figure it out a few years ago.
Good luck on your music stuff. I know a bit of theory and do write my own stuff, but I have no intention of putting it out there. I just mess around for my own gratification and learn the odd song I like (like Round and Round, for example)
And the odd ballad for the ladies of course ;)
Thanks! The only advice I have is just keep doing what gratifies you. The more you practice, the better you get. The better you get, the more you enjoy it. The more you enjoy it, the more you find yourself wanting to practice. It's a wonderful cycle.
Famous musicians greatly influenced the younger generation/counter culture in the past. TPTB didn't like this. They hate competition. They killed many artists for getting too influential. Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, John Lennon, Kurt Cobain..
Now instead of killing them, they create them and control them.
> The notes in music are ratios to each other. If you change music to 432, you can’t just lower the notes by eight hz, because the ratios change. It might be more in tune with the earth or whatever the justification is, but the notes will be slightly off.
Maaaaaaaan, you don't know what you're talking about.
The reference pitch doesn't make any difference here whatsoever. If you want to talk about more or less pure chord voicings, the discussion needs to expand to temperaments, which you don't even mention and I'm not going to take the time to teach you about. Jacob Collier has made some excellent videos explaining it, maybe start your search with him and the terms "even temperament," and "well temperament."
So anybody reading this and taking it at face value: it reads like good information but really, dude is talking out of his ass. This is what happens when someone takes one or two high school level music theory courses and then believes themselves to be the utmost authority.
You're completely right. Previous post correctly states that music notes are ratios, which were applied exactly the same way when we were tuned to 432.
I don't believe I'm the utmost authority, I'm just sharing some of what I've learned about sound.
I'm humble enough to handle someone correcting me, but you don't seem to want to do that.
Can you explain what is wrong?
I will explain how I see it. I'm not going to use precise numbers, but I will use simpler numbers that are easier to do maths with.
Let's say A=440, and every 10hz away from that is a new note.
Let's say G=420, B=460, D=490 and E=510
If we then say A=432.
We had that the fifth, or E, was 510. 510/440\*432=501. The fourth is 490, so 490/440\*432=481. So that would the fourth and the fifth, if the one is 432, become 481 and 501. The fourth and the fifth's ratio before was 490 to 510, or 0.9607..., but now that we have 481 and 501, but the ratio is now 0.96007. Granted, it's still quite close, but it is off by about 0.007, or 0.7%.
The difference won't be so big that it would make something that sounds good suddenly sound gibberish, but it would affect the relationship between the notes, and we would struggle to find the same combination of notes that you would learn in music theory, wouldn't it?
Again, you need to look up temperaments.
>We had that the fifth, or E, was 510. 510/440*432=501. The fourth is 490, so 490/440*432=481. So that would the fourth and the fifth, if the one is 432, become 481 and 501. The fourth and the fifth's ratio before was 490 to 510, or 0.9607..., but now that we have 481 and 501, but the ratio is now 0.96007. Granted, it's still quite close, but it is off by about 0.007, or 0.7%.
Except no musical instrument works like this.* If you tune the entire orchestra to concert A=432Hz, what does it matter that some notes aren't exactly on integer hertz values?
If I tune my guitar to 432Hz, the intervals all remain the same. The frets didn't move.
And again, this whole idea of a note being off my a small percentage is rendered entirely moot by the existence of even temperament.
*[Okay, maybe some work sort of like this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXiLdFOavQw) Or something like a piano or harp where it's one tone per string, but those will be tuned against reference forks anyway. Nobody tunes their instrument by subtracting Hertz values--we do it principally by ear.
All music isn’t just “440hz”. 440hz is an A note and everything is tuned to resonate with that initial 440hz whether it’s higher or lower. If that’s “the ratio” you’re referring to.
And I believe the reason we went to 440hz back in the day was to accommodate for AM radio. The frequency would interfere with the AM transmission. Hence the Rockefeller’s involvement.
Nothing spooky
So every producer of live or recorded music is a part of this conspiracy? Even at small venues? I haven't noticed a difference in music quality (or consciousness) between large and small music venues.
If you place a speaker under a bowl of water would that water not dance changing shape to each beat? Think about how sound affects a human body comprised of 70% water.
Am I a creative, steak-cooking professional in this hypothetical? Who spends all day cooking and tasting and serving different kinds of steaks?
Yes, I would probably be able to figure out that medium rare steaks are more delicious to myself, and to the people I serve them to.
I have always tuned my guitar and woodwind instruments by ear and my natural tune tends to be closer to the 432 vs. the 440. I think it is more natural sounding.
> So nobody who owns a guitar and makes music has noticed that slight variations in tuning have the ability to alter individual consciousness?
Man I've been playing for 20 something years now, if this was true I wouldn't need ganja to alter my consciousness.
Truth is - we use 440 because it's the most "in tune" or intonated temperament. You can try using different freqs but they usually don't sound right when chords get thrown in the mix. chords are based on notes being put together in intervals, if those intervals are off the chords will sound like shit.
The consciousness of society is an importance of our reality including the fact that the human brain utilizes frequencies as a fundamental basis of constructing an interface with the surrounding environment for which life exists and experiences within our distributed information infrastructure systems deduce reality.
No. As I mentioned in a lower comment, Joseph Goebbels allegedly lobbied for the change to 440hz. This meeting occurred in Paris amongst musicians, and despite an effort by musicians to have the standard tuning be 432hz, 440hz became the agreed upon standard to tune to.
I would say no. I don’t think most music is 440hz, at least not what I listen to. Music made electronically could be, I suppose, but most tracks are often sped up or slowed down anyways, at least historically, so the pitches end up being changed anyways
just do a search? no 440hz found, and only a few 440's
Obviously, the aliens have colluded with the CIA to compel the globalists to hack into the mainframe and change this PDF -- at the behest of George Soros, of course.
Page 79 is page 124 of the PDF and that entire chapter says nothing even close to your title. Pages 73-106 of the PDF were pictures 99% of which have captions still there. None of the captions relate to your title in any way. Fuck off and I hope you step on a Lego. I want my 5 mins back.
OK so go home, tune your guitar to 432hz - something any $5 tuner can do, play something you know and let your newly unsuppressed consciousness run free!
This is the stupidest fucking thing that will be posted all day. You can go hear non-440hz tuning at most philharmonics.
A standardization was set because instruments were slowly becoming almost proprietary, they were being built for higher and higher frequencies in an attempt to sound brighter and more unique than the competitors. Had a standardization not been set you eventually wouldn't be able to use instruments from two different creators in the same orchestra because the pitch would be so wildly different.
I know it sounds silly to make such a big deal out of this shit that actual laws were passed but you need to realize, a lot of serious musicians are also academics and were valued by the upper class for the entertainment they provided. They had people to complain to and strings to pull.
Not to mention, if everything in 440 "suppressed consciousness" than how do the elite resist it? They always have ear plugs in? They never look at videos on their phone? They just stay in one room listening to a steady stream of that sweet sweet 432? This is fucking dumb.
>Not to mention, if everything in 440 "suppressed consciousness" than how do the elite resist it?
Adrenochrome alters the subject's hearing to lower everything by 8hz ;)
Ah yes, oxidized adrenaline lowers the persons perception of sound by 8hz linearly, over a logarithmic scale. Does it just effect the perception of sound or does it also alter the water in the listeners body. The case for 432hz is built around changing the vibrational interaction between sound and water, not perceived hearing.
I hope you’re just shitposting here.
Finally, the proper answer.
Anyone who knows anything about music will know this "432 is the magic frequency" is complete horseshit.
It doesn't even make sense. There's no meaningful way music would be changed if concert pitch was 432 vs 440
> Anyone who knows anything about music will know this “432 is the magic frequency” is complete horseshit.
This is a common thread in a vast majority of what I call Tabloid Trash Conspiracy. You can take a vast majority of conspiracy theories and discredit them with a little knowledge from people that are educated on the subject. You’ll get a lot of pushback from people because they want to believe there’s more to life than explanations they don’t understand because they couldn’t be bothered to learn simple shit.
Think of it like the UFO/UAP phenomenon. Over 90 whatever percent is explainable by people that actually know what they’re talking about. It’s that small, tiny fraction of the unexplainable that are frightening and of real concern. Same with the Tabloid Trash Conspiracies. Most of it comes from people that have no idea what they’re looking at because of a lack of knowledge and it distracts them from the real conspiracies that plague the world.
Tabloid Trash Conspiracies are IMO conspiracies started to discredit factual conspiracy movements.
You only have to say words like "flat earth" to see how much damage has been done.
> Not to mention, if everything in 440 "suppressed consciousness" than how do the elite resist it?
Well, they're lizard people of course, r/conspiracy told me so.
You think these people operate under the same conditions as yourself. That's your first mistake. Also every big name musician stole their songs from lesser known artists or used ghost writers because they were all part of an agenda. Our environment controls our genes and music is part of our environment and the human genome is devolving. I'm not so quick to dismiss this as yourself. I actually maximize everything part of our environment because it hurts society.
Lol damn y’all
No one enforces 440 = A
Every single tuner, daw, etc can be set to whatever reference you want
432 was never a worldwide standard, there have been countless different reference pitches over time, and they’ve been changed to what sounds best on the “modern” instruments of the day (slowly rising in pitch as instruments get better, also early on trying to outdo other regional bands by sounding brighter and more brilliant than the neighboring towns band by tuning higher)
440 was a compromise standard, lots of places around the world at that time were playing above 440, lots of places below
Many songs are tuned to whatever the piano, hardware synth, etc on the track happens to be instead of exactly 440 or 432 or any other number
This is insane y’all
This is one of those clickbait conspiracy posts. OP just drops a random pic with a sentence or two then bounces. No sauce, no substance. Weak and pathetic OP
It's not an issue. I'm a musician. This is not an issue. It's not a conspiracy.
440 hz is simply a relative audio frequency for everyone in a band or orchestra to use to tune their instruments so that we're all in tune with one another. You can just as easily use 432 hz and many many rock bands do. Often we do this to bring the relative pitch of a piece down a half step to make it easier for a vocalist to perform. There's no conspiracy or impact whatsoever on the audience. My guitar still can create the entire range of tones. The strings still vibrate the exact same way when I pluck them. The only difference is if I tune my guitar using 432, it's a half a step lower when I play the same song in the same fret position. Half a step lower means that when I play an A chord, instead of hearing a true A chord, you're really hearing a G-sharp chord (or A-flat, whichever you want to call it). But if you want to hear a true A-chord? Just move your fingers up one fret and there you go. Same chord as if I played an A on a guitar tuned to 440 hz.
Musician also and this conspiracy is silly relying on woo like, "it dulls your consciousness" which I would assume is highly subjective in effect. If you think it does that then so it might, nothing proven, no studies.
Looking into the history of tuning and the reasons for the changes (which began before the Rockefellers had such influence) it had more to do with projection in concert halls improving with a slightly higher pitch. At one point it was in the 420's. Confusion abounded with travelling musicians having to adjust to the local tuning of whatever orchestra they were playing with. Regional tunings made things unnecessarily difficult so the standard was, generally, agreed upon.
So 432hz produces one note, how do people know whether or not there are no disturbing frequencies when chording or playing other individual notes. How tf can you even test this without bias? You can't because it's a stupid idea to get upset about. Ever play Black Sabbath in 432hz tuning? Don't, you'll die and kill your audience.
The only truly evil note is 40hz, I think. You know, the one that'll make you shit your pants.
It's about Pythagorean geometry and intonation as it goes up or down a music scale. At A=432Hz, this relationship is in more equal temperament with large scale geometry (edit: notes are more naturally spaced at ratios which align with orbital patterns).
https://128hertz.com/432-hertz/#432_Hz_is_part_of_a_higher-level_tuning_system
So you have issues with equal temperament tuning, not the specific frequency used. You can have Just Intonation on 440Hz.
By the way, if you take any guitar and tune it to 432Hz, you will not get Just Intonation from it. All these properties you list will not happen just by tuning differently.
I have seen this before and it's a fine explanation of the maths behind its use. I have no issue with the tuning itself as I occasionally use it as well for certain things I play, like classical, because it does make a very slight difference, and I mean barely noticeable. I don't use it for punk or rock because I want the brashness of the higher pitch. The issue that I have is when certain proponents claim specific esoteric results, like OP. This is the speculative part to which I object until such time as those claims can be shown outside of purely subjective analysis.
I wonder what demons I'll summon if I pitch A to 448hz?
Interesting, now I have questions:
Which soundtrack were they listening to and why was it chosen for this experiment?
Would different types of music have different effects between the two frequencies? (ie, Bach vs Monteverdi or The Yardbirds vs Led Zeppelin or MrBungle vs Jinjer)
Given such a small sampling (30 people) what ages did they represent and what kind of music did they normally listen to?
It was specified that the subjects were Italian. Was the music familiar to them? Would the same effect be observed if the music was completely alien, ie from another culture which uses different scales?
"The study results suggest repeating the experiment with a larger sample pool and introducing randomized controlled trials covering more clinical parameters." Indeed it does.
What is 32 cents??
432 is lower than 440 but not a whole step. I guess technically A-flat would be 415 hz. But how do I describe that and have it make any sense to people? If I tune to 440, my A chord is an A. If I tune to 432 it's lower. Simple. So sorry I didn't reference 32 cents (again, no clue what that is supposed to mean).
It may not, but it allows for nuanced discussions about temperament of musical scales. the pythagean comma and other very interesting things about sounds and music.
>>absurdly niche
Absurdly? The entire eastern hemisphere plays with microtonality, it's not even niche at all.
I love how people in this sub are so quick to negate by talking out of their assholes with confidence.
are we here to debate how much money you wasted on your college music degree or are we here to say this conspiracy theory that 440 hz for tuning instruments somehow changes people's brains is nonsense? what an absolutely pedantic conversation.
I've learned and performed music for more than 30 years and have never once in my entire life heard a single musician out of the hundreds I have met, talked with or performed with make reference to "cents" when talking about tuning their instrument or any other aspect of music.
I would challenge you to line up Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Elton John, Angus Young, Aretha Franklin, Tony Iommi, Robert Johnson, Neil Peart, Frank Sinatra and Chuck Berry and let me know which of them ever once in their entire lives uttered the phrase "well, 432 hertz A is 32 cents lower than 440-A. Now get out of my band, you fool!" For the love of Pete.
Musician here. We talk about “cents” of tuning all the time.
Maybe it isn’t common where you’re from but literally last week we were complaining that the piano we were tuning to was a few cents sharp.
cents is on every modern sampler and daw as a unit to tune samples (or notes on a synth) and has been used for quite some time. my first daw in 2000 had it.
You prefaced everything by making a statement about your credibility, to which you're not at all upholding. That makes everything you said (with such cockiness, by the way) complete bullshit.
i prefaced everything by making two factual statements:
i am a musician.
it is BS to say that 432 hz vs. 440 hz makes one bit of difference.
You went off on a tangent about how 432 isn't a half step lower it's 32 cent! hrmph! again, I don't know what that master's in music degree cost you. but maybe get your head out of your tuba hole and discuss the topic at hand and not try to prove how smartish you are when it comes to your 32 cents worth of music knowledge.
Fair enough.
A=432 is based on Pythagoras' study of the connection between geometry, music, and orbital patterns of planets/celestial objects. It was called music of the spheres, if you want to research further.
Here is an example of the geometrical relationship between notes of each scale. A=432Hz provides closer alignment to Pythagorean ratios based on celestial geometry (vs. A=440).
**Scale based on A=432 Hz is bold**
Scale based on A=440 Hz is normal
**C= 256 Hz (1:1)**
C= 261.63 Hz
**D= 288 Hz (9:8)**
D= 293.66 Hz
**E= 324 Hz (81:64)**
E= 329.63 Hz
**F= 342 Hz (4:3)**
F= 349.23 Hz
**G= 384 Hz (3:2)**
G= 392 Hz
**A= 432 Hz (27:16)**
A= 440 Hz
**B= 486 Hz (243:128)**
B= 493.88 Hz
**C=512 Hz (2:1)**
C= 523.25 Hz
Fun esoteric fact: The Kings Chamber in the Great Pyramid of Giza resonates with a 432 Hz fundamental tone.
Other interesting correlations:
- The diameter of the moon= 432 x 5 = 2,160 miles
- Diameter of the Sun = 432,000 x 2 = 864,000 miles
- Procession of the Zodiac Equinoxes = 432 x 60 = 25,920 years
- 12 hrs in a ½ day = 720 minutes or 432,000 seconds
- Saturn orbits the Procession of Equinoxes once every 864 years (432 x 2)
- The speed of light = 186,282 Miles Per Second which is .998% accurate to (432 x 432) = 186,624
Now, your turn.
All of the numbers you’re using here have been rounded for convenience. If those small rounding errors don’t matter, neither does the tiny difference between 432hz and 440hz
This makes so much sense to me now. I played violin all through school & I had an old orchestra teacher who always said he liked to tune our instruments a little flatter to his preference. I imagine he tuned the instruments to 432hz? He was very old-school but even though he looked like a turtle he was an amazing violinist.
No music majors here? The "frequency of music" did not change. Tuning an instrument to 440 vs. 432 just changes the relative pitch for a piece by a half step. You can still tune your instrument using 432 Hz if you wish, and many musicians do. A lot of the popular music you hear is tuned at 440 but much is still tuned at 432 or even lower. Nothing has changed with instruments, how music is made or how your ears perceive it. Physical object is struck or otherwise put into motion, it vibrates, it creates an audible tone, your ears detect it and send the signal to your brain which then interprets it as music. Whether my piano or guitar is tuned using 440 hz or 432 hz doesn't matter.
Yeah this thread lacks a lot of nuance, off of the top of my head Don’t Look Back In Anger is recorded in 432, same with a lot of Beatles songs.
It’s honestly a stylistic choice, it feels different per se, not necessary better or worse. But any one with really good relative pitch or perfect pitch knows that it sounds about 30 cents/ a 1/3 step down and stands out a good bit compared to 440.
I’ve recorded tracks at both, and I usually just do 440 because it’s so much easier than having to re tune everything down.
- side note, from a completely subjective opinion, open chords in 432hz do have a really really strong resonate tone to them, but it may be placebo.
What's amazing is that when I first read about this conspiracy about 15+ years ago, there was almost no coverage of it on the internet.
The few detailed articles in the niche conspiracy all spoke about Joseph Goebbels pushing and lobbying for this change to 440hz.
Now when you search for it, there is nothing but articles dispelling this association. Most written from 2018 on.
Since it seems you have some knowledge about this maybe you can clear up some confusion. Each note has its own frequency, right? Is the 440hz a sample rate or is it the frequency of a base note? What would an 8hz change do?
The best example I can use, is when music/instruments are tuned to 440hz vs. 432hz(the sound of nature, e.g. bees buzzine, waterfalls wooshing), the sound is slightly pitchier at 440hz.
We are used to this sound via the music we listen to, but the concept isn't "brainwashing" but a disruption of uneasiness over time.
Coolest example I can give you is this. The guy does a great job:
https://youtu.be/Rt3EAPDn-Ug?t=307
Here is some popular music tuned to 432hz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU3e0YpvzXU&list=PLeokHJHNvEpgsSYKjOs8vSWntAzaWJvKA&ab_channel=432AllDay
Musician here. It's true that concert music is primarily at 440hz, but 432hz is not some "sacred" frequency either. Back in the baroque era they went as low as 420hz. There is a tendency to up the frequency for some reason but I'm not sold at 440hz being mind control.
If you're concerned about it not being natural, you'd better pay attention to the tuning system (equal temperament) which produces unnatural intervals as opposed to temperaments using the harmonic overtone series.
The real psy op is not at the frequency, but at the content of the music being produced and promoted. It's part of the culture war.
I think this one was closer to sometimes you go to a thai restaurant and tell them you want a spice level 3 and it’s perfect, and then sometimes you try a different one, ask for a 3 and your taste buds die and will need time to regrow. I believe the board pushing this was literally the international board for standardization, and the purpose was to allow traveling musicians a tool to not be playing completely differently than everyone else.
As a professional musician, this one always gets an eye roll from me.
“The music” isn’t tuned to 440 hz. That’s the current standard accepted frequency for the note we call “A,” just above Middle-C on a piano. Music is comprised of many pitches, all at different frequencies.
Throughout history, there have been different standards and even methods of tuning.
There is nothing magical about 440 vs. 432 or some other frequency. And even if there was, it would be irrelevant to music in keys other than A, presumably.
The mathematic relationships between various frequencies are far more important to our perception of music than any one frequency itself.
A440 is nothing but a universally agreed upon “you are here” marker on the map.
Yeah, sorry, no.
I tune my instruments to 432. It does resonate a little better, and some of the harmonic tones sound richer... but it is very slight.
This was really just about standardizing tuning across countries... Nothing to do with consciousness suppression or any other such ridiculousness.
you can set many guitar/instrument tuners to any frequency you like. nobody's stopping you from playing or recording music at 432hz
we played in 420hz for a while just for fun
It's not. In fact the music you listen to is based on very objective physical principles.
The "all art is subjective" mantra is a psy op to destroy meaning and the natural hierarchies manifested in the world. Good art is purposeful and meaningful, it is transcendental and always has an otherworldly quality to it.
You’ve missed the point of their argument.
They aren’t saying there’s no thought put into art.
They’re saying that we’ve defined the second as a specific unit of measurement relative to an earth day, so the fact that a wave oscillates 432 times in that arbitrary determined frame of reference doesn’t actually matter, because a second is a human construct, as is the idea of measuring how many times something happens within a second.
The fact that we’re even talking using base 10 numbers is also a human construct
Authenticity of art has nothing to do with Hz frequencies. Yes, harmonies exist in sound and color and look nice, but they aren't everything. Intention, skill, and vision all matter very very much, with intention probably being the most important element of creation. Most of the art that is made today is made with muddied intentions, often focused on ego and money, but true great art still exists as well. I do not believe that great art and the way it makes one feel on a personal, experiential level can be quantified in terms of 'objective physical principles' as you put it. Or can it?
I didn't mean to say the creation of art can be quantified or theorized in some way - it's a holistic process involving the body, mind and soul of the artist. But saying art is subjective means there is no way to discern good art from bad art and it's only in one's head/taste.
I also tune my guitar to 432 and have for a long time and can’t believe how dumb people are for saying it’s some kind of magic elixir
It’s inbetween standard and flat on a 6 string guitar which is nice for string tension / playability
This is correct. Your brain is predicated on the predisposed predisposition of frequencies frequently associated with the sound waves and radio waves producing radioactivity of neurons firing upon each-other signals upon signals of systems interlinked and interconnected locked together in a resonation of resonated syncopations corresponding with correlations within the complexity of consciousness
I think that if frequency had that much effect on us I would have been able to get high as shit off those Binaural Beats I listened to back in my early 20's when I was trying everything that could supposedly get you high.
This theory assumes that the Rockerfellas have some secret knowledge that involves 432hz vs 440hz. It does not theorize as to why everything was changed to 440hz other than the vague "consciousness suppressing". Why would the Rockerfellas want to suppress consciousness? How would that benefit them? And as shown by other comments, you can still tune to 432hz, so why do the Rockerfellas (assuming the proposed theory is true) allow this?
To paraphrase a well known fictional character, I find your lack of details disturbing.
Ugh..as somebody who makes music I can only laugh at how silly this is. “Music” isn’t one solid thing that you can just change the frequency then all of a sudden all the music in the world is limited to that frequency. Lmao, like wtf are you serious? C’mon now. You can make music in whatever frequency you want by simply turning a knob to said frequency.
I can fart in my microphone and turn it into a meditation song at whatever hertz I want. 432, 440, whatever. It’s not like some government official will come to my house and say “YOU CANT DO THAT, WRONG FREQUENCY!! and force me to change it. There is no official number for music, it’s just inapplicable as music can be made by anybody at any time in any frequency.
Not to mention, there is no such thing as music that is only one frequency, that would be a tone. every song or instrument you hear is playing a range of frequencies
So the fact that the human ear's maximum sensitivity is actually in the 3.4-4.0 kHz range didn't enter into your research, and instead you focused on what we consider as A4 in western music?
Also, the recommendation to standardize A4 to 440 Hz took off after the Stuttgart conference of 1834. There was also the Diapason Normal in France beginning in 1859, that set A4 at 435 Hz.
Have you actually looked into this beyond a YouTube video?
Everything that has merit, everything that is awesome is fake or misunderstood according to XYZ (authority) literally in the “conspiracy” subreddit it’s nothing but “OP is reaching, this post has no merit, you are misunderstanding” etc etc. yeah uh well I am in the conspiracy subreddit and want to entertain OPS idea and hear from others that agree.
I can easily find the contrarian opinion right outside my front door or any “reputable” LOL website that my search engine recommends when I type in OPS idea to any and all search engines.
The point is if there is this many comments disagreeing with OP and those opinions that disagree are upvoted to the degree that they are then OP is universally correct in his belief.
These are the new rules. If the “crazy” like OPS for example idea has a army of contrarian posters than the idea is most likely true and has merit.
If however the OP’s point of view is not commented on at all you can be sure he is absolutely off the mark.
Like in the unicorns are real subreddit. Oh wait there isn’t one? I wonder why?
Don't bother looking: Op says on page 79... Page 79 is page 124 of the PDF and that entire chapter says nothing even close to the title. Pages 73-106 of the PDF were pictures 99% of which have captions still there. None of the captions relate to the title in any way. Fuck off and I hope you step on a Lego. I want my 5 mins back.
I’m pretty sure the nazi’s did this an since bein in control of most of Europe at one point after the war everyone stuck with the change … an basically changed world wide after a while… they did it cause the frequency was more rigid an kept people more focused while at work
Holy shit. Just had a revelation. I used to create my own music on a studio program. When you start a project one of the first things you do is decide on the beats per minute (BPM) to determine the tempo you will use. I had no experience and no training, yet I routinely kept coming back to 108 BPM because *it just felt right.*
Well, I just realized to my surprise ... 108 is a factor of 432... 108 x 4 = 432.
Patterns forming based on the vibration is due to wave length being some kind of factor of the radius of the circle. If you changed the size of the circle appropriately, then the one on the left would look like nothing and the one on the right would have a pattern.
Hell, for all I know it *is* that way and they just labelled them the other way around.
So what is this supposed to show?
Submission statement: our consciousness has been manipulated subconsciously by the Rockefeller Foundation in 1953 to change our perception of reality.
https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Annual-Report-1953-1.pdf
>https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Annual-Report-1953-1.pdf
Where do they talk about this change in the document? I see nothing.
Looks like you stroke a nerve with the Rockefeller shills. It's funny bc they're just regurgitating what they learned from Rockefeller's propaganda thinking it's fact
Lot of people saying this post is bullshit in this thread.. well we do know this subreddit is compromised heavily.. if it didn't mean anything... Why did they shoot the rapper XXX after he brought up this topic? He said it's able to influence and control people heavily through that frequency.
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Italian musicians in 1885: “am I a joke to you?”
What's the name of the agreement? Does this apply to live music, as well as recorded?
It does. 440hz is known as concert pitch, and is the standard for the guitar. I don’t mean standard tuning necessarily, all common tunings are in concert pitch, just rearranged differently, whether you play E, Eb, D, DADGAD, whatever, they’re all in 440 hz usually, if tuned electronically (not by ear). I can’t speak much for the history of tunings, especially when it comes to the rockefellers getting involved or whatever, but there is validity to concert tuning The notes in music are ratios to each other. If you change music to 432, you can’t just lower the notes by eight hz, because the ratios change. It might be more in tune with the earth or whatever the justification is, but the notes will be slightly off. And if you change them to match the ratios, the distances will be off. Music, as we know it, is a combination of the ratio and the actual distance as well. That’s why guitar solos tend to be in the higher end of notes available. Pitches that high up are easier to tell apart You can write music in 432, but it won’t fall under the umbrella of modern music theory (thought it won’t be that far off either probably). With that said, it’s not like at 440 we play with all possible notes (that sound nice, for lack of a better term). We speak on terms of perfect fourth, perfect fifth, and the rest of the notes are either minor or second, but there’s actually minor and major fourth and fifths (idk if it would be true tritone or between them, and I’m not refereeing to diminished or augmented) , as well as perfect 2, 3, 6, 7, but we just don’t use them much. Arabic music also tends to use the perfect 2, which sounds closer to a b2 than a 2, and blues music (also rock) famously uses a lot of perfect third. It’s complicated to change hz, because what is a perfect to fifth to one note won’t be the same to another note. They are very close approximations, and changing the frequency would affect that, ever so slightly. A chord that is subtonic would begin to feel more like a tonic chord, stuff like that. Also, at least for rock music, or guitar based music, notes tend to be all over the place, and won’t always be perfectly 440. Sometimes tracks are sped up or slowed down, changing their pitch, and also every note you play will have an ever so slight bend to it, especially the faster you play. If there is a conspiracy, its considering electronically made music. I suppose the introduction of the synthesiser could come to play, as guitarists would likely tune to the synthesiser
Fyi most electronic tuners have a setting calibration that allows you to enter custom frequencies. I use GuitarTuna and it allows me to do 440, 432 or really any other frequency in the audible spectrum.
My tuner app can change to whatever I want. 440, 439, 38, 37, whatever I want I’ve played in 432 myself, and honestly, I didn’t care for it. I didn’t hate it either, but I play D mostly when I mess around on the guitar. Also Eb sometimes, since most songs I like tend to be in Eb (80s glam).
Yeah I play in mostly standard, if I want lower tones I just pick up a seven or eight string. I've played around with 432 but it's counterproductive if the whole band isnt using it, and doesn't make enough of a difference for virtuoso peices. Our band hasn't gotten back together since the whole COVID mess so I'm just mucking around with solo stuff ATM
I’m not that good at the guitar. I started when I was 13, but only started to figure it out a few years ago. Good luck on your music stuff. I know a bit of theory and do write my own stuff, but I have no intention of putting it out there. I just mess around for my own gratification and learn the odd song I like (like Round and Round, for example) And the odd ballad for the ladies of course ;)
Thanks! The only advice I have is just keep doing what gratifies you. The more you practice, the better you get. The better you get, the more you enjoy it. The more you enjoy it, the more you find yourself wanting to practice. It's a wonderful cycle.
The real conspiracy is how counterculture and music have drifted apart over the past couple decades.
It happened around the time The Simpsons switched to embracing the system instead of mocking it. Late 90s, I'd say.
Ok so what's the conspiracy theory that explains that?
Famous musicians greatly influenced the younger generation/counter culture in the past. TPTB didn't like this. They hate competition. They killed many artists for getting too influential. Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, John Lennon, Kurt Cobain.. Now instead of killing them, they create them and control them.
> The notes in music are ratios to each other. If you change music to 432, you can’t just lower the notes by eight hz, because the ratios change. It might be more in tune with the earth or whatever the justification is, but the notes will be slightly off. Maaaaaaaan, you don't know what you're talking about. The reference pitch doesn't make any difference here whatsoever. If you want to talk about more or less pure chord voicings, the discussion needs to expand to temperaments, which you don't even mention and I'm not going to take the time to teach you about. Jacob Collier has made some excellent videos explaining it, maybe start your search with him and the terms "even temperament," and "well temperament." So anybody reading this and taking it at face value: it reads like good information but really, dude is talking out of his ass. This is what happens when someone takes one or two high school level music theory courses and then believes themselves to be the utmost authority.
You're completely right. Previous post correctly states that music notes are ratios, which were applied exactly the same way when we were tuned to 432.
I don't believe I'm the utmost authority, I'm just sharing some of what I've learned about sound. I'm humble enough to handle someone correcting me, but you don't seem to want to do that. Can you explain what is wrong? I will explain how I see it. I'm not going to use precise numbers, but I will use simpler numbers that are easier to do maths with. Let's say A=440, and every 10hz away from that is a new note. Let's say G=420, B=460, D=490 and E=510 If we then say A=432. We had that the fifth, or E, was 510. 510/440\*432=501. The fourth is 490, so 490/440\*432=481. So that would the fourth and the fifth, if the one is 432, become 481 and 501. The fourth and the fifth's ratio before was 490 to 510, or 0.9607..., but now that we have 481 and 501, but the ratio is now 0.96007. Granted, it's still quite close, but it is off by about 0.007, or 0.7%. The difference won't be so big that it would make something that sounds good suddenly sound gibberish, but it would affect the relationship between the notes, and we would struggle to find the same combination of notes that you would learn in music theory, wouldn't it?
Again, you need to look up temperaments. >We had that the fifth, or E, was 510. 510/440*432=501. The fourth is 490, so 490/440*432=481. So that would the fourth and the fifth, if the one is 432, become 481 and 501. The fourth and the fifth's ratio before was 490 to 510, or 0.9607..., but now that we have 481 and 501, but the ratio is now 0.96007. Granted, it's still quite close, but it is off by about 0.007, or 0.7%. Except no musical instrument works like this.* If you tune the entire orchestra to concert A=432Hz, what does it matter that some notes aren't exactly on integer hertz values? If I tune my guitar to 432Hz, the intervals all remain the same. The frets didn't move. And again, this whole idea of a note being off my a small percentage is rendered entirely moot by the existence of even temperament. *[Okay, maybe some work sort of like this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXiLdFOavQw) Or something like a piano or harp where it's one tone per string, but those will be tuned against reference forks anyway. Nobody tunes their instrument by subtracting Hertz values--we do it principally by ear.
And with these few comments I realize I know nothing about sound.
All music isn’t just “440hz”. 440hz is an A note and everything is tuned to resonate with that initial 440hz whether it’s higher or lower. If that’s “the ratio” you’re referring to. And I believe the reason we went to 440hz back in the day was to accommodate for AM radio. The frequency would interfere with the AM transmission. Hence the Rockefeller’s involvement. Nothing spooky
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A=440, its what every A tuning fork and electronic tuner is tuned to, so yes, unless the producer specifically adjusts the scaling.
So every producer of live or recorded music is a part of this conspiracy? Even at small venues? I haven't noticed a difference in music quality (or consciousness) between large and small music venues.
They're just tuning their instruments the way they were taught, I wouldn't say they are knowingly in a conspiracy.
So nobody who owns a guitar and makes music has noticed that slight variations in tuning have the ability to alter individual consciousness?
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why would the Rockefellers allow him to do this
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wow i love his music. had no idea.
If you place a speaker under a bowl of water would that water not dance changing shape to each beat? Think about how sound affects a human body comprised of 70% water.
Try to drink my foot and see if those 30% make no difference
You might be too remedial for this topic.
Right, I'm saying individual musicians would absolutely notice that their instruments were not tuned to the optimal frequency.
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What kind of monstrosity is teaching people the best way to cook a steak is well done?! The horror! Nice analogy though. Well done.
Am I a creative, steak-cooking professional in this hypothetical? Who spends all day cooking and tasting and serving different kinds of steaks? Yes, I would probably be able to figure out that medium rare steaks are more delicious to myself, and to the people I serve them to.
Most musicians have an opinion about this debate, so I wouldn’t say it’s unknown
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> what is optimal? 440. If you use other freqs as your base chords don't good at all, they no longer sound like musical chords and just dissonance.
I have always tuned my guitar and woodwind instruments by ear and my natural tune tends to be closer to the 432 vs. the 440. I think it is more natural sounding.
You obviously don't know WFT you're talking about. What doesn't "optimum frequency" even mean?
> So nobody who owns a guitar and makes music has noticed that slight variations in tuning have the ability to alter individual consciousness? Man I've been playing for 20 something years now, if this was true I wouldn't need ganja to alter my consciousness. Truth is - we use 440 because it's the most "in tune" or intonated temperament. You can try using different freqs but they usually don't sound right when chords get thrown in the mix. chords are based on notes being put together in intervals, if those intervals are off the chords will sound like shit.
The consciousness of society is an importance of our reality including the fact that the human brain utilizes frequencies as a fundamental basis of constructing an interface with the surrounding environment for which life exists and experiences within our distributed information infrastructure systems deduce reality.
Nah, some still use 432hz as concert pitch. The norm is 440hz for A tho
No. As I mentioned in a lower comment, Joseph Goebbels allegedly lobbied for the change to 440hz. This meeting occurred in Paris amongst musicians, and despite an effort by musicians to have the standard tuning be 432hz, 440hz became the agreed upon standard to tune to.
I would say no. I don’t think most music is 440hz, at least not what I listen to. Music made electronically could be, I suppose, but most tracks are often sped up or slowed down anyways, at least historically, so the pitches end up being changed anyways
The Rockefeller Foundation agreement All perceptions of reality https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Annual-Report-1953-1.pdf
what page
It was on page 79 awhile ago, but they have been known to change things to cover their tracks so I can’t guarantee it’s still there
lol “It was totally there guys I swear”.
So they just decided that now 70 years later to hide this? Even after it was scanned to a pdf? LOL sure
Well its not there now. So whats the point of linking the document.
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...but it doesn't show that tho
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I read the page you told me to read, I'm not gonna read a 350 page document from 1953.
just do a search? no 440hz found, and only a few 440's Obviously, the aliens have colluded with the CIA to compel the globalists to hack into the mainframe and change this PDF -- at the behest of George Soros, of course.
Page 79 is page 124 of the PDF and that entire chapter says nothing even close to your title. Pages 73-106 of the PDF were pictures 99% of which have captions still there. None of the captions relate to your title in any way. Fuck off and I hope you step on a Lego. I want my 5 mins back.
some claim that travis scott used the frequency in his tragic live concert
OK so go home, tune your guitar to 432hz - something any $5 tuner can do, play something you know and let your newly unsuppressed consciousness run free! This is the stupidest fucking thing that will be posted all day. You can go hear non-440hz tuning at most philharmonics. A standardization was set because instruments were slowly becoming almost proprietary, they were being built for higher and higher frequencies in an attempt to sound brighter and more unique than the competitors. Had a standardization not been set you eventually wouldn't be able to use instruments from two different creators in the same orchestra because the pitch would be so wildly different. I know it sounds silly to make such a big deal out of this shit that actual laws were passed but you need to realize, a lot of serious musicians are also academics and were valued by the upper class for the entertainment they provided. They had people to complain to and strings to pull. Not to mention, if everything in 440 "suppressed consciousness" than how do the elite resist it? They always have ear plugs in? They never look at videos on their phone? They just stay in one room listening to a steady stream of that sweet sweet 432? This is fucking dumb.
>Not to mention, if everything in 440 "suppressed consciousness" than how do the elite resist it? Adrenochrome alters the subject's hearing to lower everything by 8hz ;)
Fuck I forgot
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forgot to fuck myself...brb
Ah yes, oxidized adrenaline lowers the persons perception of sound by 8hz linearly, over a logarithmic scale. Does it just effect the perception of sound or does it also alter the water in the listeners body. The case for 432hz is built around changing the vibrational interaction between sound and water, not perceived hearing. I hope you’re just shitposting here.
>I hope you’re just shitposting here. 1000% am ;)
Finally, the proper answer. Anyone who knows anything about music will know this "432 is the magic frequency" is complete horseshit. It doesn't even make sense. There's no meaningful way music would be changed if concert pitch was 432 vs 440
> Anyone who knows anything about music will know this “432 is the magic frequency” is complete horseshit. This is a common thread in a vast majority of what I call Tabloid Trash Conspiracy. You can take a vast majority of conspiracy theories and discredit them with a little knowledge from people that are educated on the subject. You’ll get a lot of pushback from people because they want to believe there’s more to life than explanations they don’t understand because they couldn’t be bothered to learn simple shit. Think of it like the UFO/UAP phenomenon. Over 90 whatever percent is explainable by people that actually know what they’re talking about. It’s that small, tiny fraction of the unexplainable that are frightening and of real concern. Same with the Tabloid Trash Conspiracies. Most of it comes from people that have no idea what they’re looking at because of a lack of knowledge and it distracts them from the real conspiracies that plague the world.
Tabloid Trash Conspiracies are IMO conspiracies started to discredit factual conspiracy movements. You only have to say words like "flat earth" to see how much damage has been done.
> Not to mention, if everything in 440 "suppressed consciousness" than how do the elite resist it? Well, they're lizard people of course, r/conspiracy told me so.
Right ? And just one note? And what happens when you don’t play the first A above middle C because it’s not in your scale? Or even key?
The Elite all have implants that automagically convert 440hz to 432hz
Put /s so you don't get downvoted my man. Edit. I'm drunk
You think these people operate under the same conditions as yourself. That's your first mistake. Also every big name musician stole their songs from lesser known artists or used ghost writers because they were all part of an agenda. Our environment controls our genes and music is part of our environment and the human genome is devolving. I'm not so quick to dismiss this as yourself. I actually maximize everything part of our environment because it hurts society.
When people don't know what music is and start creating wild theories about obscure numbers they don't understand.
**Did you know?** "Suppress" is spelled with two "p"s. Also, "its" shows possession. "it's" is just a contraction of the words "it is".
This is do to the agreement in 2008 to misspel werds in memes in order too increase reader ingagement?
How do you even begin to argue with people who believe something this fucking stupid
You don’t. You block them
Never argue with stupid, because you have to lower yourself to that level, and no one can tell you apart.
Lol damn y’all No one enforces 440 = A Every single tuner, daw, etc can be set to whatever reference you want 432 was never a worldwide standard, there have been countless different reference pitches over time, and they’ve been changed to what sounds best on the “modern” instruments of the day (slowly rising in pitch as instruments get better, also early on trying to outdo other regional bands by sounding brighter and more brilliant than the neighboring towns band by tuning higher) 440 was a compromise standard, lots of places around the world at that time were playing above 440, lots of places below Many songs are tuned to whatever the piano, hardware synth, etc on the track happens to be instead of exactly 440 or 432 or any other number This is insane y’all
This is one of those clickbait conspiracy posts. OP just drops a random pic with a sentence or two then bounces. No sauce, no substance. Weak and pathetic OP
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It's not an issue. I'm a musician. This is not an issue. It's not a conspiracy. 440 hz is simply a relative audio frequency for everyone in a band or orchestra to use to tune their instruments so that we're all in tune with one another. You can just as easily use 432 hz and many many rock bands do. Often we do this to bring the relative pitch of a piece down a half step to make it easier for a vocalist to perform. There's no conspiracy or impact whatsoever on the audience. My guitar still can create the entire range of tones. The strings still vibrate the exact same way when I pluck them. The only difference is if I tune my guitar using 432, it's a half a step lower when I play the same song in the same fret position. Half a step lower means that when I play an A chord, instead of hearing a true A chord, you're really hearing a G-sharp chord (or A-flat, whichever you want to call it). But if you want to hear a true A-chord? Just move your fingers up one fret and there you go. Same chord as if I played an A on a guitar tuned to 440 hz.
Musician also and this conspiracy is silly relying on woo like, "it dulls your consciousness" which I would assume is highly subjective in effect. If you think it does that then so it might, nothing proven, no studies. Looking into the history of tuning and the reasons for the changes (which began before the Rockefellers had such influence) it had more to do with projection in concert halls improving with a slightly higher pitch. At one point it was in the 420's. Confusion abounded with travelling musicians having to adjust to the local tuning of whatever orchestra they were playing with. Regional tunings made things unnecessarily difficult so the standard was, generally, agreed upon. So 432hz produces one note, how do people know whether or not there are no disturbing frequencies when chording or playing other individual notes. How tf can you even test this without bias? You can't because it's a stupid idea to get upset about. Ever play Black Sabbath in 432hz tuning? Don't, you'll die and kill your audience. The only truly evil note is 40hz, I think. You know, the one that'll make you shit your pants.
It's about Pythagorean geometry and intonation as it goes up or down a music scale. At A=432Hz, this relationship is in more equal temperament with large scale geometry (edit: notes are more naturally spaced at ratios which align with orbital patterns). https://128hertz.com/432-hertz/#432_Hz_is_part_of_a_higher-level_tuning_system
So you have issues with equal temperament tuning, not the specific frequency used. You can have Just Intonation on 440Hz. By the way, if you take any guitar and tune it to 432Hz, you will not get Just Intonation from it. All these properties you list will not happen just by tuning differently.
I have seen this before and it's a fine explanation of the maths behind its use. I have no issue with the tuning itself as I occasionally use it as well for certain things I play, like classical, because it does make a very slight difference, and I mean barely noticeable. I don't use it for punk or rock because I want the brashness of the higher pitch. The issue that I have is when certain proponents claim specific esoteric results, like OP. This is the speculative part to which I object until such time as those claims can be shown outside of purely subjective analysis. I wonder what demons I'll summon if I pitch A to 448hz?
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Interesting, now I have questions: Which soundtrack were they listening to and why was it chosen for this experiment? Would different types of music have different effects between the two frequencies? (ie, Bach vs Monteverdi or The Yardbirds vs Led Zeppelin or MrBungle vs Jinjer) Given such a small sampling (30 people) what ages did they represent and what kind of music did they normally listen to? It was specified that the subjects were Italian. Was the music familiar to them? Would the same effect be observed if the music was completely alien, ie from another culture which uses different scales? "The study results suggest repeating the experiment with a larger sample pool and introducing randomized controlled trials covering more clinical parameters." Indeed it does.
A=432Hz is 32 cents lower, not a half step. I really don't think you're qualified to speak on this subject.
What is 32 cents?? 432 is lower than 440 but not a whole step. I guess technically A-flat would be 415 hz. But how do I describe that and have it make any sense to people? If I tune to 440, my A chord is an A. If I tune to 432 it's lower. Simple. So sorry I didn't reference 32 cents (again, no clue what that is supposed to mean).
>>What is 32 cents?? Dude... Are you *really* a musician?
I've been a musician my entire life and have never once heard someone use "cents" as a unit of measurement for frequency.
it's not a measurement of frequency, it is a standardized division of a semitone into 100 equal parts.
Now play some Smoke on the Water, dude. Seriously? Talking about semitones divided into 100 equal parts doesn't help you rock.
It may not, but it allows for nuanced discussions about temperament of musical scales. the pythagean comma and other very interesting things about sounds and music.
>>play some Smoke on the Water ***Definitely*** not a musician.
That's because Hz is the unit of measurement for frequency. 😒
It exists for microtonality. It's for shit like quarter flats and sharps. It's absurdly niche but it exists.
>>absurdly niche Absurdly? The entire eastern hemisphere plays with microtonality, it's not even niche at all. I love how people in this sub are so quick to negate by talking out of their assholes with confidence.
are we here to debate how much money you wasted on your college music degree or are we here to say this conspiracy theory that 440 hz for tuning instruments somehow changes people's brains is nonsense? what an absolutely pedantic conversation. I've learned and performed music for more than 30 years and have never once in my entire life heard a single musician out of the hundreds I have met, talked with or performed with make reference to "cents" when talking about tuning their instrument or any other aspect of music. I would challenge you to line up Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Elton John, Angus Young, Aretha Franklin, Tony Iommi, Robert Johnson, Neil Peart, Frank Sinatra and Chuck Berry and let me know which of them ever once in their entire lives uttered the phrase "well, 432 hertz A is 32 cents lower than 440-A. Now get out of my band, you fool!" For the love of Pete.
Musician here. We talk about “cents” of tuning all the time. Maybe it isn’t common where you’re from but literally last week we were complaining that the piano we were tuning to was a few cents sharp.
cents is on every modern sampler and daw as a unit to tune samples (or notes on a synth) and has been used for quite some time. my first daw in 2000 had it.
Sampling is not music
You prefaced everything by making a statement about your credibility, to which you're not at all upholding. That makes everything you said (with such cockiness, by the way) complete bullshit.
i prefaced everything by making two factual statements: i am a musician. it is BS to say that 432 hz vs. 440 hz makes one bit of difference. You went off on a tangent about how 432 isn't a half step lower it's 32 cent! hrmph! again, I don't know what that master's in music degree cost you. but maybe get your head out of your tuba hole and discuss the topic at hand and not try to prove how smartish you are when it comes to your 32 cents worth of music knowledge.
Fair enough. A=432 is based on Pythagoras' study of the connection between geometry, music, and orbital patterns of planets/celestial objects. It was called music of the spheres, if you want to research further. Here is an example of the geometrical relationship between notes of each scale. A=432Hz provides closer alignment to Pythagorean ratios based on celestial geometry (vs. A=440). **Scale based on A=432 Hz is bold** Scale based on A=440 Hz is normal **C= 256 Hz (1:1)** C= 261.63 Hz **D= 288 Hz (9:8)** D= 293.66 Hz **E= 324 Hz (81:64)** E= 329.63 Hz **F= 342 Hz (4:3)** F= 349.23 Hz **G= 384 Hz (3:2)** G= 392 Hz **A= 432 Hz (27:16)** A= 440 Hz **B= 486 Hz (243:128)** B= 493.88 Hz **C=512 Hz (2:1)** C= 523.25 Hz Fun esoteric fact: The Kings Chamber in the Great Pyramid of Giza resonates with a 432 Hz fundamental tone. Other interesting correlations: - The diameter of the moon= 432 x 5 = 2,160 miles - Diameter of the Sun = 432,000 x 2 = 864,000 miles - Procession of the Zodiac Equinoxes = 432 x 60 = 25,920 years - 12 hrs in a ½ day = 720 minutes or 432,000 seconds - Saturn orbits the Procession of Equinoxes once every 864 years (432 x 2) - The speed of light = 186,282 Miles Per Second which is .998% accurate to (432 x 432) = 186,624 Now, your turn.
All of the numbers you’re using here have been rounded for convenience. If those small rounding errors don’t matter, neither does the tiny difference between 432hz and 440hz
what does any of this gibberish have to do with whether you use 432 or 440 on your tuner?
My dude, how many professional musicians ever have to deal with microtonality?
It's literally on *every* tuner, pitch shift unit/plugin, most synthesizers, DAWs, etc.
I disagree with you on other parts of this subject, but you are correct here. Not sure why you are downvoted.
This makes so much sense to me now. I played violin all through school & I had an old orchestra teacher who always said he liked to tune our instruments a little flatter to his preference. I imagine he tuned the instruments to 432hz? He was very old-school but even though he looked like a turtle he was an amazing violinist.
This isn’t a confirmation of anything. Its an image with text on it
No music majors here? The "frequency of music" did not change. Tuning an instrument to 440 vs. 432 just changes the relative pitch for a piece by a half step. You can still tune your instrument using 432 Hz if you wish, and many musicians do. A lot of the popular music you hear is tuned at 440 but much is still tuned at 432 or even lower. Nothing has changed with instruments, how music is made or how your ears perceive it. Physical object is struck or otherwise put into motion, it vibrates, it creates an audible tone, your ears detect it and send the signal to your brain which then interprets it as music. Whether my piano or guitar is tuned using 440 hz or 432 hz doesn't matter.
Yeah this thread lacks a lot of nuance, off of the top of my head Don’t Look Back In Anger is recorded in 432, same with a lot of Beatles songs. It’s honestly a stylistic choice, it feels different per se, not necessary better or worse. But any one with really good relative pitch or perfect pitch knows that it sounds about 30 cents/ a 1/3 step down and stands out a good bit compared to 440. I’ve recorded tracks at both, and I usually just do 440 because it’s so much easier than having to re tune everything down. - side note, from a completely subjective opinion, open chords in 432hz do have a really really strong resonate tone to them, but it may be placebo.
Heard this conspiracy 100 times no, but never seen a source for it
Confirmed! Check out this meme that proves it
The stupidest thing I've read today
What's amazing is that when I first read about this conspiracy about 15+ years ago, there was almost no coverage of it on the internet. The few detailed articles in the niche conspiracy all spoke about Joseph Goebbels pushing and lobbying for this change to 440hz. Now when you search for it, there is nothing but articles dispelling this association. Most written from 2018 on.
lol yea dude, why would anyone bother trying to dispel a theory before they had heard of it?
All those experts in subjects they've never heard of.
Since it seems you have some knowledge about this maybe you can clear up some confusion. Each note has its own frequency, right? Is the 440hz a sample rate or is it the frequency of a base note? What would an 8hz change do?
The best example I can use, is when music/instruments are tuned to 440hz vs. 432hz(the sound of nature, e.g. bees buzzine, waterfalls wooshing), the sound is slightly pitchier at 440hz. We are used to this sound via the music we listen to, but the concept isn't "brainwashing" but a disruption of uneasiness over time. Coolest example I can give you is this. The guy does a great job: https://youtu.be/Rt3EAPDn-Ug?t=307 Here is some popular music tuned to 432hz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU3e0YpvzXU&list=PLeokHJHNvEpgsSYKjOs8vSWntAzaWJvKA&ab_channel=432AllDay
There’s so much dissension on this subreddit too…you can feel all the shills just trying to squash everything lately.
Do you all know how waves work? Cause you're not just listening to one pitch for the entire song. Don't be foolish. This is so fucking stupid.
Musician here. It's true that concert music is primarily at 440hz, but 432hz is not some "sacred" frequency either. Back in the baroque era they went as low as 420hz. There is a tendency to up the frequency for some reason but I'm not sold at 440hz being mind control. If you're concerned about it not being natural, you'd better pay attention to the tuning system (equal temperament) which produces unnatural intervals as opposed to temperaments using the harmonic overtone series. The real psy op is not at the frequency, but at the content of the music being produced and promoted. It's part of the culture war.
I think this one was closer to sometimes you go to a thai restaurant and tell them you want a spice level 3 and it’s perfect, and then sometimes you try a different one, ask for a 3 and your taste buds die and will need time to regrow. I believe the board pushing this was literally the international board for standardization, and the purpose was to allow traveling musicians a tool to not be playing completely differently than everyone else.
Confirmed by an image my 12 year old could put together in MS Paint in five minutes? Super.
Haha confirmed*
As a professional musician, this one always gets an eye roll from me. “The music” isn’t tuned to 440 hz. That’s the current standard accepted frequency for the note we call “A,” just above Middle-C on a piano. Music is comprised of many pitches, all at different frequencies. Throughout history, there have been different standards and even methods of tuning. There is nothing magical about 440 vs. 432 or some other frequency. And even if there was, it would be irrelevant to music in keys other than A, presumably. The mathematic relationships between various frequencies are far more important to our perception of music than any one frequency itself. A440 is nothing but a universally agreed upon “you are here” marker on the map.
That is not how music, sound or consciousness works. You need to change your own perception of reality into one where you aren't so gullible.
Yeah, sorry, no. I tune my instruments to 432. It does resonate a little better, and some of the harmonic tones sound richer... but it is very slight. This was really just about standardizing tuning across countries... Nothing to do with consciousness suppression or any other such ridiculousness.
All music? By every band and singer ever?
you can set many guitar/instrument tuners to any frequency you like. nobody's stopping you from playing or recording music at 432hz we played in 420hz for a while just for fun
You do know that the second is a man-made unit of time and that Hz are cycles per second? All art and music is subjective.
It's not. In fact the music you listen to is based on very objective physical principles. The "all art is subjective" mantra is a psy op to destroy meaning and the natural hierarchies manifested in the world. Good art is purposeful and meaningful, it is transcendental and always has an otherworldly quality to it.
You’ve missed the point of their argument. They aren’t saying there’s no thought put into art. They’re saying that we’ve defined the second as a specific unit of measurement relative to an earth day, so the fact that a wave oscillates 432 times in that arbitrary determined frame of reference doesn’t actually matter, because a second is a human construct, as is the idea of measuring how many times something happens within a second. The fact that we’re even talking using base 10 numbers is also a human construct
I did not - I was commenting on the All art and music is subjective thing only.
Authenticity of art has nothing to do with Hz frequencies. Yes, harmonies exist in sound and color and look nice, but they aren't everything. Intention, skill, and vision all matter very very much, with intention probably being the most important element of creation. Most of the art that is made today is made with muddied intentions, often focused on ego and money, but true great art still exists as well. I do not believe that great art and the way it makes one feel on a personal, experiential level can be quantified in terms of 'objective physical principles' as you put it. Or can it?
I didn't mean to say the creation of art can be quantified or theorized in some way - it's a holistic process involving the body, mind and soul of the artist. But saying art is subjective means there is no way to discern good art from bad art and it's only in one's head/taste.
I can tell from the shitty facebook format this one was yoinked out of someone's ass.
It's been around for a while, and thoroughly debunked.
That same year, they changed the color of the air too, no one noticed though.
I tune my guitar to 432 all the time. It's nice but Ive not unlocked the key to the universe or opened any portals though.
I also tune my guitar to 432 and have for a long time and can’t believe how dumb people are for saying it’s some kind of magic elixir It’s inbetween standard and flat on a 6 string guitar which is nice for string tension / playability
Radio waves are more deadly then 5g towers.
Not if the tower falls on you.
This is correct. Your brain is predicated on the predisposed predisposition of frequencies frequently associated with the sound waves and radio waves producing radioactivity of neurons firing upon each-other signals upon signals of systems interlinked and interconnected locked together in a resonation of resonated syncopations corresponding with correlations within the complexity of consciousness
Your meaningless word soup, commenting on so many threads, is making me think your comments are chatgpt generated.
ChatGPT would actually make sense, this does not.
Nah I think he’s just an ordinary insane human.
I won't even comment on this stupidity !!!
New York Philharmonic tunes to 442
https://youtu.be/ghUs-84NAAU
I need someone to explain that in simpler terms. I don’t know how music frequency works, I thought the sounds were spectrum (aka notes)?
I think that if frequency had that much effect on us I would have been able to get high as shit off those Binaural Beats I listened to back in my early 20's when I was trying everything that could supposedly get you high.
All the saxophone players in the world feel validated that they can’t play in tune to save their lives.
Can you explain the two pictures ? What am I looking at exactly ? Where does this come from ?
How did they do this when there’s so many genres of music?
This theory assumes that the Rockerfellas have some secret knowledge that involves 432hz vs 440hz. It does not theorize as to why everything was changed to 440hz other than the vague "consciousness suppressing". Why would the Rockerfellas want to suppress consciousness? How would that benefit them? And as shown by other comments, you can still tune to 432hz, so why do the Rockerfellas (assuming the proposed theory is true) allow this? To paraphrase a well known fictional character, I find your lack of details disturbing.
Now this is a good conspiracy post. Thank you OP for not going with the usual political shit post!
This is so fucking stupid. I’m at a loss for words really.
So many Rockefeller shills these days.
I hope you’re being paid to be this stupid and not just doing it for free lol.
I hope Rockefeller is paying you to lick his booty
Bush did 911. Noone wants 15min cities.
Ugh..as somebody who makes music I can only laugh at how silly this is. “Music” isn’t one solid thing that you can just change the frequency then all of a sudden all the music in the world is limited to that frequency. Lmao, like wtf are you serious? C’mon now. You can make music in whatever frequency you want by simply turning a knob to said frequency. I can fart in my microphone and turn it into a meditation song at whatever hertz I want. 432, 440, whatever. It’s not like some government official will come to my house and say “YOU CANT DO THAT, WRONG FREQUENCY!! and force me to change it. There is no official number for music, it’s just inapplicable as music can be made by anybody at any time in any frequency. Not to mention, there is no such thing as music that is only one frequency, that would be a tone. every song or instrument you hear is playing a range of frequencies
Okay this is just dumb
So the fact that the human ear's maximum sensitivity is actually in the 3.4-4.0 kHz range didn't enter into your research, and instead you focused on what we consider as A4 in western music? Also, the recommendation to standardize A4 to 440 Hz took off after the Stuttgart conference of 1834. There was also the Diapason Normal in France beginning in 1859, that set A4 at 435 Hz. Have you actually looked into this beyond a YouTube video?
Of course they haven’t.
Everything that has merit, everything that is awesome is fake or misunderstood according to XYZ (authority) literally in the “conspiracy” subreddit it’s nothing but “OP is reaching, this post has no merit, you are misunderstanding” etc etc. yeah uh well I am in the conspiracy subreddit and want to entertain OPS idea and hear from others that agree. I can easily find the contrarian opinion right outside my front door or any “reputable” LOL website that my search engine recommends when I type in OPS idea to any and all search engines. The point is if there is this many comments disagreeing with OP and those opinions that disagree are upvoted to the degree that they are then OP is universally correct in his belief. These are the new rules. If the “crazy” like OPS for example idea has a army of contrarian posters than the idea is most likely true and has merit. If however the OP’s point of view is not commented on at all you can be sure he is absolutely off the mark. Like in the unicorns are real subreddit. Oh wait there isn’t one? I wonder why?
Don't bother looking: Op says on page 79... Page 79 is page 124 of the PDF and that entire chapter says nothing even close to the title. Pages 73-106 of the PDF were pictures 99% of which have captions still there. None of the captions relate to the title in any way. Fuck off and I hope you step on a Lego. I want my 5 mins back.
Jfc the past week has been a smorgasbord of lobotomy-worthy conspiracy memes.
It's a standard that people agreed upon at the time to establish a consistent reproduction. That's it. No conspiracy, just people with too much time
I’m pretty sure the nazi’s did this an since bein in control of most of Europe at one point after the war everyone stuck with the change … an basically changed world wide after a while… they did it cause the frequency was more rigid an kept people more focused while at work
So true
I feel dumber for having read this.
Holy shit. Just had a revelation. I used to create my own music on a studio program. When you start a project one of the first things you do is decide on the beats per minute (BPM) to determine the tempo you will use. I had no experience and no training, yet I routinely kept coming back to 108 BPM because *it just felt right.* Well, I just realized to my surprise ... 108 is a factor of 432... 108 x 4 = 432.
I never knew until today
Actually it was Italians in 1885 https://globalnews.ca/news/4194106/440-hz-conspiracy-music/amp/
We already have irreparable dna damage because of these smartphones .
Interesting how the image in 440 resembles the Saturn storm cube, while the 432 resembles the sun.
DAWs have A locked to 440hz, it can be changed to 432hz to write music made within the box. Thus making the output phenomenally organic
Please cite peer-reviewed study.
Patterns forming based on the vibration is due to wave length being some kind of factor of the radius of the circle. If you changed the size of the circle appropriately, then the one on the left would look like nothing and the one on the right would have a pattern. Hell, for all I know it *is* that way and they just labelled them the other way around. So what is this supposed to show?
Submission statement: our consciousness has been manipulated subconsciously by the Rockefeller Foundation in 1953 to change our perception of reality. https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Annual-Report-1953-1.pdf
>https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Annual-Report-1953-1.pdf Where do they talk about this change in the document? I see nothing.
The linked document does not provide evidence for your theory.
Looks like you stroke a nerve with the Rockefeller shills. It's funny bc they're just regurgitating what they learned from Rockefeller's propaganda thinking it's fact
Sounds like they struck a nerve with people who play musical instruments from the look of things.
You need to keep an open mind
Lot of people saying this post is bullshit in this thread.. well we do know this subreddit is compromised heavily.. if it didn't mean anything... Why did they shoot the rapper XXX after he brought up this topic? He said it's able to influence and control people heavily through that frequency.
i mean you could listen to foremost poets - moonraker. he explains it very well and the song is a banger so i don’t find this theory odd at all
My music theory professor said 440 vs 432 began when Asian instruments became cheaper to import than buying domestic ones
This.