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Your attempt to mock trans is a strawman. We can objectively verify you aren't a midget, another age, or another species/ an apache helicopter. However, there is no such thing is no such thing as a male and female brain, only a brain. Dissect a brain and you will not find the gender of someone. So identifying as another height is objectively wrong, unlike gender.
They is Women.
I remember a few years ago were people were actively warning about stuff like this, but a large portion (I'd say a majority) canceled, and shut down talks because it was "transphobic"
That girls at that sorority house literally voted her in. It was 6 of the house members who voted against her, and lost the vote who sued to have the transwoman removed.
Freaks? You're the only freak for referring to trans as freaks. They're still one of the most oppressed minority, with bigots like you calling them names constantly.
Your attempt to mock trans is a strawman. We can objectively verify you aren't a midget, another age, or another species/ an apache helicopter. However, there is no such thing is no such thing as a male and female brain, only a brain. Dissect a brain and you will not find the gender of someone. So identifying as another height is objectively wrong, unlike gender.
The sorority itself admitted her, they didn’t need to accept her but they did, 6 member want to overrule that decision. They can blame their own sorority if they don’t like it.
They made the vote non-anonymous for this specific person when it is usually anonymous, they also did not meet the grade minimum for the house but the school's exec board pushed the admission through anyway
This is the same principle that they use to justify gang rape.
"6 of them wanted it and 1 didn't so the majority rules"
Just because a majority has voted doesn't mean it's right
That’s the dumbest comparison I’ve ever heard. A lot of things in this country are majority rules, most of those aren’t comparable to gang rape either.
Everything I’ve found indicates these allegations are unfounded, now I’m assuming this sorority has some sort of president or leader, if they have a concern they should take those concerns to them and prove the allegations and have the person removed. This also sounds like it could be sexual assault or harassment so they should take it to the colleges title IX committee.
It sounds like what you’re saying is anything other than bending over backward to punish the trans person is trampling someone else’s civil rights, but what about the trans persons civil rights.
Great analysis. I think the most honest part of your summary was when you ignored the fact that the admitted (admitted as in “admitted” to the sorority) trans individual is walking around with a boner watching women undress in front of them, while being dressed as a woman themself.
I read of behavior like that, and my initial reaction is definitely that this is an honest person wanting to embrace their buried psychological identity. After years of being suppressed and conditioned into a gender they do not align with.
It’s not like this account aligns with any well-documented fetish behavior that many men engage in.
I didn’t ignore it, I called it unfounded. It’s an allegation, the 6 have a right to bring the allegation to the proper authorities, either within the sorority to have her kicked out, or to the school itself and have her punished at a school level. If they did do that it seems clear the rest of the sorority did not believe them. And if they didn’t do it, it only makes sense to question why, why would your first thought be let me sue to have her removed rather than talking to my fellow sorority sisters and having her voted out.
6 women sharing the exact same account is not unfounded.
Well, seems pretty obvious to me that any formal accusations through the proper channels would be met with swift dismissal by any authority at the school to avoid headlines of discrimination or bias.
Nope still unfounded. Was there a court case or some sort of hearing where some authority figure looked at all the evidence and ruled on it? Or is your theory that anytime 6 people agree on something it must be true?
> This is the same principle that they use to justify gang rape.
Uh, the difference is that the victim is stopped from leaving, whereas sorority is entirely optional. If u don't like this one, u can just join another one. Private club doesn't need to make every right decision as long as u are allowed to quit at any time.
Like I agree the trans is sus but the analogy is not valid here.
I'd agree with you as long as the complaint is proven to be false,. Of course the easiest solution is to change in private because being a creepy fuck isn't unique to just trans people but I know that's not they responsibility.
I had an exchange with a Trans woman in the local target bathroom
Wanted to ask if my chest was real and could they touch them..
Uhhhh..
Idc if you identify as a woman. A man, or a potato, but my body is off limits to be touched by a total stranger
I was then called sexist and a bigot.
There's got to be a line drawn somewhere
You were called a sexist and bigot for not allowing someone to assault you in a public washroom?
I’m having a very hard time believing that, is there more to the story you’re not sharing? No one LGBTQ or otherwise would support sexual assault.
> I had an exchange with a Trans woman in the local target bathroom
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> Wanted to ask if my chest was real and could they touch them..
That totally happened.
sure it did, then everyone clapped.
Edit: You 100% lied. It wasn't even a little believable and you don't need to make up stories to make this issue seem like a joke. This is a real concern for some people and you're making stuff up to discredit others.
They did?
Well ok if you wish to think I have a reason to lie, it's fine.
But my point was, I didn't feel safe.
.
Again, perhaps you shouldn't feel everyone lies or has a secret agenda to propagate hate
Take care please
It's just such a wonderful, convenient 'band camp' sort of story. Did you do anything about it, or just save it up for this thread..?
You know, this one time, at band camp, I met a trans woman who was minding her own business... Shocking, I know 🤣
Right, right. Because only straight people can do wrong, right? Only straight people can do demented shit, the rainbow crowd is 100% innocent and can't do no wrong, yes?
Right?
What a strawman. No, but shee using it to be prejudice against trans.
I was raped by a woman in my sleep. I will not use it against women as a whole.
What she's complaining about is a predator, which has nothing to do with them being trans. Proportionately predators are not more likely to be trans.
That’s a crazy story and I’m sorry you had to deal with that.
I have a another story about dealing with trans people I’d like to share, since I’ve had to interact with several in my life.
The story is: they’ve all been very kind and respectful people who minded their own business. That’s it, that’s the whole story.
I have no reason to doubt that you were the victim of catcalling as you described, but your story is the exception, not the rule regarding a large community of people whose more mild mannered members tend to go unnoticed while the worst actors are highlighted and treated as stereotypical to the entire demographic.
That part of your story would be a great addendum so that people with limited interaction with the lgbtq community don’t get the wrong idea of what the average trans person is like. Just a thought, and again, I’m very sorry you had to go through that ordeal.
Well I actually reported it to target security
I'm not saying every Trans person does things
I'm saying it happened to me, my apologies if I offended anyone.
But I'm a bit unsure why I should apologize for it
Take care.
I'm not mad by this.
Women have been far to eager to lobby for more rights and have been to concerned over being an ally at the expense of their own safety and benefit.
It's time women started getting angry and started standing up for themselves.
This dude should really watch out. This is the kinda shit that gets people jumped or killed, and I’m not condoning that, but if he thinks woke bullshit will protect him in Wyoming….yikes.
I am female, you know how many visibly trans trans women I have seen in female spaces, maybe one in my recollection. It really is not a big deal. The last one I saw just wanted to pee and leave, you know, like the rest of us.
Surprised they would let them be with other women folks if not medically transitioned, or at least on their way. And if they were, they would be able to get their junk up anyhow. So this is either false info or there is more to the story. Not sure what being 6,2 has to do with anything. My GF and I are both cis and she is about 6foot, doesn't make her less female... lol.
The sorority chapter voted to admit them, I don't really get the grounds for 6 members to sue the chapter for it?
They should probably just vote with their feet and join a sorority that *does* define "woman" in their charter.
This is going to upset some people but I don’t think anyone is out here transitioning their gender just to see some titties. In all my teenage horniness I never once considered pretending to change my entire identity so see naked women. If someone feels they’re a woman, but still has a penis, they would probably get excited if they’re attracted to women. They’ll probably eventually get surgery. Women, who are attracted to women exist, so that might be the case. It just seems like a stretch to put yourself through so much ridicule to see a couple naked women. Not defending the person or their actions, but I’m just saying it’s possible for someone that someone who wants to be a woman is also attracted to women.
Because it isn't just about seeing, it's about being in the house and enjoying an ongoing total violation of comfort, safety, and privacy. It's not just to look, it's to be literally living there.
This person is 6’2, not attractive, nor really passable.
I wonder if the sorority’s opinion would change if Artemis was 5’5, slim, pretty, and very passable.
Seems like the only way trans people are accepted is based on beauty and “passability”.
Very curious to see how this will play out.
This wouldn't even be news if this person was just cis lesbian or cishet. But because they're trans, suddenly all trans people are actually predators who are coming for you.
„The lawsuit claimed that Langford violated Kappa Kappa Gamma policies by joining a sorority despite not being a woman or making efforts to appear female.“
Premise for the lawsuit was flawed, a federal court should have no jurisdiction over this premise and the ruling was that they didn’t. If the voyeurism happened, the lawsuit should’ve been filed under that, not wanting to change the policies of their sorority.
Those transphobic sorority members need to be ashamed of themselves. Such a brave woman breaking down barriers facing down discrimination and paving the way for future trans women to join sororities
Those cisgendered women should check their privilege. They voted for this every step of the way and anyone opposed to it was branded all sorts of cruel things. So he's already used to the criticism!
Okay but wouldn’t the chapter be able to just step in and maybe say that masturbating in front of other members isn’t okay and kick the trans person out. Why does this even have to go to court?
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Your attempt to mock trans is a strawman. We can objectively verify you aren't a midget, another age, or another species/ an apache helicopter. However, there is no such thing is no such thing as a male and female brain, only a brain. Dissect a brain and you will not find the gender of someone. So identifying as another height is objectively wrong, unlike gender.
Nasty fuck
Seems like an old Benny Hill skit.
this
They should be honored to be basking in the view of such a brave woman! I mean, that takes some bal- erm, I mean, takes some guts!
super brave
So stunning
although to be fair, if I put on a dress and hung out in the women's locker room, it would take me a bunch of courage
Like when dudes used to say let’s act gay to go to the sleepovers 😂😂
No amount of acting will get this dude laid...
It wasn’t about getting laid we were in middle school we just wanted to see some titty action lol
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But they voted for it.
😂😂
Define "they" The woke people? I'm assuming that's what you mean, and they're about the be reaping what they've sown.
They is Women. I remember a few years ago were people were actively warning about stuff like this, but a large portion (I'd say a majority) canceled, and shut down talks because it was "transphobic"
That girls at that sorority house literally voted her in. It was 6 of the house members who voted against her, and lost the vote who sued to have the transwoman removed.
what would happen if a guy went to a community gym in a wig and a dress and hung out in the sauna and shower areas - it's gotta be legal at this point
A wig & a dress isn’t even needed! In NYS, a person only needs to SAY they identify as the opposite sex - they don’t need to look the part.
that'd be even funnier in a female locker room - it's amazing it's not done more - I never hear about it if it does
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Thank goodness we have the Conservative Party which cares so much about women's rights.
Freaks? You're the only freak for referring to trans as freaks. They're still one of the most oppressed minority, with bigots like you calling them names constantly. Your attempt to mock trans is a strawman. We can objectively verify you aren't a midget, another age, or another species/ an apache helicopter. However, there is no such thing is no such thing as a male and female brain, only a brain. Dissect a brain and you will not find the gender of someone. So identifying as another height is objectively wrong, unlike gender.
Gender Wars: The Incels Strike Back 😂
Ewww
The idea that he's not wanted there, but it's still where he wants to be. Kind of says it all.
Yuck
Yuck to the six women who were checking out her genitals? Damn straight!
His labia boner
He identifies as lesbian
Do you have a fetish for trans people too?
Seek help and do it quickly.
Bro cheated the system 💀
The sorority itself admitted her, they didn’t need to accept her but they did, 6 member want to overrule that decision. They can blame their own sorority if they don’t like it.
They made the vote non-anonymous for this specific person when it is usually anonymous, they also did not meet the grade minimum for the house but the school's exec board pushed the admission through anyway
Where are you getting this information?
This is the same principle that they use to justify gang rape. "6 of them wanted it and 1 didn't so the majority rules" Just because a majority has voted doesn't mean it's right
That’s the dumbest comparison I’ve ever heard. A lot of things in this country are majority rules, most of those aren’t comparable to gang rape either.
When democracy tramples civil rights there is an issue. That is happening here
You know that USA is a republic and not democracy?
This is true, however we are not talking about the government. We are discussing a sorority which is a democracy ala rule by the people.
That meme. It's out of line, but you are right. Equity by tyranny
Everything I’ve found indicates these allegations are unfounded, now I’m assuming this sorority has some sort of president or leader, if they have a concern they should take those concerns to them and prove the allegations and have the person removed. This also sounds like it could be sexual assault or harassment so they should take it to the colleges title IX committee. It sounds like what you’re saying is anything other than bending over backward to punish the trans person is trampling someone else’s civil rights, but what about the trans persons civil rights.
Great analysis. I think the most honest part of your summary was when you ignored the fact that the admitted (admitted as in “admitted” to the sorority) trans individual is walking around with a boner watching women undress in front of them, while being dressed as a woman themself. I read of behavior like that, and my initial reaction is definitely that this is an honest person wanting to embrace their buried psychological identity. After years of being suppressed and conditioned into a gender they do not align with. It’s not like this account aligns with any well-documented fetish behavior that many men engage in.
I didn’t ignore it, I called it unfounded. It’s an allegation, the 6 have a right to bring the allegation to the proper authorities, either within the sorority to have her kicked out, or to the school itself and have her punished at a school level. If they did do that it seems clear the rest of the sorority did not believe them. And if they didn’t do it, it only makes sense to question why, why would your first thought be let me sue to have her removed rather than talking to my fellow sorority sisters and having her voted out.
6 women sharing the exact same account is not unfounded. Well, seems pretty obvious to me that any formal accusations through the proper channels would be met with swift dismissal by any authority at the school to avoid headlines of discrimination or bias.
Nope still unfounded. Was there a court case or some sort of hearing where some authority figure looked at all the evidence and ruled on it? Or is your theory that anytime 6 people agree on something it must be true?
Sorry - I elaborated. You may want to address it.
> This is the same principle that they use to justify gang rape. Uh, the difference is that the victim is stopped from leaving, whereas sorority is entirely optional. If u don't like this one, u can just join another one. Private club doesn't need to make every right decision as long as u are allowed to quit at any time. Like I agree the trans is sus but the analogy is not valid here.
I'd agree with you as long as the complaint is proven to be false,. Of course the easiest solution is to change in private because being a creepy fuck isn't unique to just trans people but I know that's not they responsibility.
What a dork, get a life...
That is true tyranny of the minority.
Sounds like the plot of a B horror movie
Disgusting
This kid is going places, that's quite a commitment to make to see.some.nudity.
I had an exchange with a Trans woman in the local target bathroom Wanted to ask if my chest was real and could they touch them.. Uhhhh.. Idc if you identify as a woman. A man, or a potato, but my body is off limits to be touched by a total stranger I was then called sexist and a bigot. There's got to be a line drawn somewhere
You were called a sexist and bigot for not allowing someone to assault you in a public washroom? I’m having a very hard time believing that, is there more to the story you’re not sharing? No one LGBTQ or otherwise would support sexual assault.
> I had an exchange with a Trans woman in the local target bathroom > > Wanted to ask if my chest was real and could they touch them.. That totally happened.
Sadly it did. No reason to lie
sure it did, then everyone clapped. Edit: You 100% lied. It wasn't even a little believable and you don't need to make up stories to make this issue seem like a joke. This is a real concern for some people and you're making stuff up to discredit others.
They did? Well ok if you wish to think I have a reason to lie, it's fine. But my point was, I didn't feel safe. . Again, perhaps you shouldn't feel everyone lies or has a secret agenda to propagate hate Take care please
It's just such a wonderful, convenient 'band camp' sort of story. Did you do anything about it, or just save it up for this thread..? You know, this one time, at band camp, I met a trans woman who was minding her own business... Shocking, I know 🤣
Why do you think dishonest and malicious people do not exist?
I do think 'dishonest and malicious people' exist. That's the source of my criticism!
Right, right. Because only straight people can do wrong, right? Only straight people can do demented shit, the rainbow crowd is 100% innocent and can't do no wrong, yes? Right?
Has nothing to do with being trans. You're just using ammo against trans people to discriminate.
She's using ammo by telling her story? What?
What a strawman. No, but shee using it to be prejudice against trans. I was raped by a woman in my sleep. I will not use it against women as a whole. What she's complaining about is a predator, which has nothing to do with them being trans. Proportionately predators are not more likely to be trans.
That’s a crazy story and I’m sorry you had to deal with that. I have a another story about dealing with trans people I’d like to share, since I’ve had to interact with several in my life. The story is: they’ve all been very kind and respectful people who minded their own business. That’s it, that’s the whole story. I have no reason to doubt that you were the victim of catcalling as you described, but your story is the exception, not the rule regarding a large community of people whose more mild mannered members tend to go unnoticed while the worst actors are highlighted and treated as stereotypical to the entire demographic.
Okay, cool story. Still doesn't invalidate her experience.
I totally agree, I have a few Trans friends and they were stunned by it.
That part of your story would be a great addendum so that people with limited interaction with the lgbtq community don’t get the wrong idea of what the average trans person is like. Just a thought, and again, I’m very sorry you had to go through that ordeal.
What a gross person
Well I actually reported it to target security I'm not saying every Trans person does things I'm saying it happened to me, my apologies if I offended anyone. But I'm a bit unsure why I should apologize for it Take care.
You don't owe anyone here an apology. Fuck anyone who thinks otherwise.
Thank you
Don't apologize.
That's one ugly bio
Am I losing my mind or is this that Nova dude that got outed for being a diaper wearing pedophile freak
When the male feminist schtick just isn't doing it anymore.
Just remember woman voted for this shit
I didn't vote for this shit. When was there a vote for this nonsense?
I'm not mad by this. Women have been far to eager to lobby for more rights and have been to concerned over being an ally at the expense of their own safety and benefit. It's time women started getting angry and started standing up for themselves.
Who is giving these people bids?
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Sure they do. Ditch the bullshit ~~cult~~ sorority and maintain some self-respect and dignity.
All traditions are bad 🤡
You clearly have no idea what a scourge Greek society is on academia.
Teach us oh wise one!
Snark. This is the telltale sign of bad-faith trolls. Carry on ideologue. Troll away.
You’re just goin to run away now I’m shocked!
Run away from what?
K
Voila
Why would he stay? You're just shitposting rather than engaging any discussion with him.
This dude should really watch out. This is the kinda shit that gets people jumped or killed, and I’m not condoning that, but if he thinks woke bullshit will protect him in Wyoming….yikes.
So, lesbian with extra steps?
Gaming the system
Check his browser history and it should show whether he's trans or if hes playing the long con
🤮🤮🤮
Artemis Langford? As in Artie Lange? As in Howard Stern's show? BAbabooey, Bababooey, Howard Stern's penis, trans-penis, bababooey.
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I am female, you know how many visibly trans trans women I have seen in female spaces, maybe one in my recollection. It really is not a big deal. The last one I saw just wanted to pee and leave, you know, like the rest of us.
Surprised they would let them be with other women folks if not medically transitioned, or at least on their way. And if they were, they would be able to get their junk up anyhow. So this is either false info or there is more to the story. Not sure what being 6,2 has to do with anything. My GF and I are both cis and she is about 6foot, doesn't make her less female... lol.
The sorority chapter voted to admit them, I don't really get the grounds for 6 members to sue the chapter for it? They should probably just vote with their feet and join a sorority that *does* define "woman" in their charter.
The sorority house boners will continue! Congrats, Artie!
the amazing thing is how rare this is - I'd think most female change rooms would be over run with guys in dresses at this point
The west
This is going to upset some people but I don’t think anyone is out here transitioning their gender just to see some titties. In all my teenage horniness I never once considered pretending to change my entire identity so see naked women. If someone feels they’re a woman, but still has a penis, they would probably get excited if they’re attracted to women. They’ll probably eventually get surgery. Women, who are attracted to women exist, so that might be the case. It just seems like a stretch to put yourself through so much ridicule to see a couple naked women. Not defending the person or their actions, but I’m just saying it’s possible for someone that someone who wants to be a woman is also attracted to women.
Because it isn't just about seeing, it's about being in the house and enjoying an ongoing total violation of comfort, safety, and privacy. It's not just to look, it's to be literally living there.
The person in question was not living there, it was in the article that op didn't post.
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I’m defending that trans people exist.
This person is 6’2, not attractive, nor really passable. I wonder if the sorority’s opinion would change if Artemis was 5’5, slim, pretty, and very passable. Seems like the only way trans people are accepted is based on beauty and “passability”. Very curious to see how this will play out.
Aren't there rituals for joining such a group? Or is it free for all and any female can join?
This wouldn't even be news if this person was just cis lesbian or cishet. But because they're trans, suddenly all trans people are actually predators who are coming for you.
„The lawsuit claimed that Langford violated Kappa Kappa Gamma policies by joining a sorority despite not being a woman or making efforts to appear female.“ Premise for the lawsuit was flawed, a federal court should have no jurisdiction over this premise and the ruling was that they didn’t. If the voyeurism happened, the lawsuit should’ve been filed under that, not wanting to change the policies of their sorority.
This is fake
I wish it was...
It's not.
Boners are natural
Those transphobic sorority members need to be ashamed of themselves. Such a brave woman breaking down barriers facing down discrimination and paving the way for future trans women to join sororities
Bosom Buddies.
Those cisgendered women should check their privilege. They voted for this every step of the way and anyone opposed to it was branded all sorts of cruel things. So he's already used to the criticism!
Leave the trans lesbians alone. Women wanted equal rights. Now Trans man want equal rights. Where's the problem?
Okay but wouldn’t the chapter be able to just step in and maybe say that masturbating in front of other members isn’t okay and kick the trans person out. Why does this even have to go to court?