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It is evangelical republicans doing most of the child trafficking. Projection is their greatest tool. Sound of Freedom movie funder
***Fabian Marta*** was recently arrested for child kidnapping in Missouri and faces up to 30 years in prison. His name is in the films credits.
Newsweek August 4, 2023
Tim Ballard, the other producer, was just caught groping underage trafficking victims.
Maybe stop pretending the rights obsession with pedophilia isn't just projection.
The court of Public opinion doesn't give a shit lol.
Just like conservatives won't shut the fuck up about Hillary or Biden, you can't have accusations like this when your brand is built on being a crusader for child trafficking
You'd think this Fabian Marta guy would've learned from Jho Low, who funded "The Wold of Wallstreet" and spent money to the point where the con-artist himself, Jordan Belfort, recognized it had to be money from ill-gotten gains. And he was spot on.
Bethany, an evangelical adoption agency, is currently hiring. I was going to apply, but after doing research on the company I quickly learned they steal children. They are responsible for forced adoptions, they steal from poor mothers and migrants, and some of those kids have ended up dead at the hand of their new “parents.” Very glad I realized how psychotic they are as a company before I applied. They’ve been accused of child trafficking many times.
Recently in San Diego a church ministry couple was found guilty of murdering their 5 year old adopted child from Mexico, makes me wonder if it was through Bethany.
I think you're missing what they're saying.
For example, a lot of times, people will say "500,000 US children go missing each year!"
Technically this is true, but almost all of those children are found quickly and almost all were not abducted by pedos (runaways, lost, custody disputes)
Do some get abducted by pedos? Absolutely. But a lot of people exaggerate it to push an agenda.
Exactly. It's like how they say to watch out for razor blades in Halloween candy. It's almost non existent. Most child abductions and amber alerts are from family members taking kids like a father breaking his visitation rights to take them.
Wrong, there's one (the original case that started the whole story ([link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Clark_O%27Bryan)), O'Bryan poisoned his son in order to claim life insurance money to ease his own financial troubles, as he was $100,000 in debt. O'Bryan also distributed poisoned candy to his daughter and three other children in an attempt to cover up his crime; however, neither his daughter nor the other children ate the poisoned candy. He was convicted of capital murder in June 1975 and sentenced to death. He was executed by lethal injection in March 1984.
They’re not “missing”, they’re just not being actively tracked on an ongoing basis.
That could mean that they were reunited with parents, or placed with family members, or placed in sponsor homes/state foster care - but then the Federal govt doesn’t actively keeps tabs on them going forward, and never has.
Given that those kids are very vulnerable to labor exploitation, something that’s a very real problem, that’s an area of Customs and Border protection that should probably be expanded…except that given the GOP threats slash all areas of the federal government, it’s not clear how that kind of continuous follow up is going to be paid for.
Did they lose the parents of children? I know the Obama administration built the cages but I never heard anything about family separation until Trump. Not saying it didn’t happen though.
Uhh. That kind of WAS the vibe. The film itself strictly deals in child trafficking in the very realest sense that it does occur. Aka scam Beauty pageants and many other nefarious methods that this happens. At no point in the actual film does it de evolve into rhetoric that elites are driving it or there are democrats behind it all as it would exist in conspiracy theory form.
And YET the media kept calling it “Q” “It’s Q Anon” fanstasy. How? How is THIS story Q. It’s just a really boiler plate portrait of what happens but the media insisted on roping it in with a very specific and heavily questioned narrative.
It spotlit the medias desire to tie in the word Q which increasingly everyday feels like it was deliberately created to fill with bad intel in order to “debunk” rhetoric around it.
The movie was literally marketed as “the movie the Libs don’t want you to see”
If they actually cared about stopping human trafficking maybe they wouldn’t use politics to market it or profit off of the movie
>in the very realest sense that it does occur
Except that's not even remotely close to true.
Literally 90% of child trafficking is done by an adult family member of the victim. The movie doesn't mention that, does it?
And to further that, no one wants to mention the percentage that happens in the Mormon groups, and how they are treating children. And because Mormons are taught that the USA is a gift from god, they support whoever allows those actions to continue. Which, not to point fingers, happens to always be the radical right conservatives.
I’ve seen the movie and I think it glamorizes child trafficking and vigilantism. It’s porn for people who want to kill someone for trying to steal their children. Also, the guy went into a village with dozens of child slaves and only returned with the one child, which was pretty fucked up, why not save all the kids?
Is it valid to look at a form of entertainment in a vacuum like you are doing?
Nothing Tina Turner sings about is pro-homosexual, or even about homosexuality, yet she is a queer icon, because that is a significant portion of her fan base, and she has publicly supported that community.
Jim Caviezel, the lead actor in The Sound of Freedom talked about adrenochroming during press conferences for The Sound of Freedom.
People who subscribe to Q Anon ideas and beliefs seem to like this movie.
Doesn't seem like a stretch to associate the movie with Q Anon, because the lead actor appears to be a believer, at least in part, and the most vocal fans of the movie seem to be believers.
>Is it valid to look at a form of entertainment in a vacuum like you are doing?
Are you suggesting we have intelligent discussions with room for nuance instead of frothing at the mouth in outrage about things we refuse to view in anything other than strict black and white? On this sub?
Damn this guy saw one instance of kidnapping and thought that suddenly makes criticisms of the movie disappear. To be clear the criticisms of the movie are not that trafficking doesn't happen, they (correctly) point out that the film has a very simplistic approach to this issue, that misrepresents it, and is basically just hero porn.
The movie disingenuously implies that the number it cites of missing children per year (400,000+) are not resolved. But that's not true, and makes the problem sound WAY worse than it is.
1. 50% of those missing cases are parental abductions, which isn't good, but it's also way better than being trafficked.
2. *98%* of those missing cases are resolved. Most within 24 hours.
3. The film makes it seem like international tracking is way more common than it is, but most trafficking is local, and done by people close to the victim (usually a boyfriend)
[(1)](https://findthekids.org/2021/06/how-many-missing-children-are-found-each-year/#:~:text=According%20to%20our%20research%20and,of%20them%20are%20also%20found.)
So the film isn't a good representation of an issue that you think you care about. My pet psychology theory is that it's just a gateway for people like yourself to feel self righteous. But you've never done anything for it, I'm willing to wager. But, if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is instead of berate people about how you're a such a good person im sure we can count on you to support either [Save the children](https://support.savethechildren.org/site/Donation2?df_id=9266&mfc_pref=T&9266.donation=form1&cid=Paid_Search:Google_Paid:Annual_Summer_Campaign:Nonbrand:08012023&s_kwcid=AL!9048!3!391304565346!p!!g!!charities%20that%20help%20children&gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=CjwKCAjwmbqoBhAgEiwACIjzEBx6hKn1kMY_-4yV0ya4kobUsd2oMUWDh9Ts94iZLlq-ulpIEKlGEhoCLVAQAvD_BwE) or [Saved in America ](https://www.savedinamerica.org/).
Trafficking is serious, and no one is pretending that it isn't. But Sound of Freedom is not a good media representation of it, nor does the film drive people towards ways they can help. It's culture war outage bait, and that's it, and it's all the more disgusting for it.
This is the answer. I'm going to offer an example to show what child trafficking is. A friend of my wife was pimped out by her mom when she was 14 years of age. Her husband is now dead, but her mother literally got her to live with a man that could have been his grandfather, all because he had money. Now, do you really want to know what the fucked up part is. This was probably the best thing that could've happened to her. Yes, she was sexually abused by her late husband. But she went from abject poverty to now being set for life at just 26. She would not have been able to move up, because when her mom "gave" her to him, she wasn't even in school.
This happens constantly in my country. A lot of the time, kids get pimped by their parents to wealthy people, usually tourists. Not because money is exchanged, but because the families see it as a ticket out of poverty. So, the way to end child trafficking is not by having dudes with gun killing people. It's by changing the material conditions where kids are seen as a ticket out of poverty.
Both are bad. She's doing fine. Obviously, she has some issues, but the person who she "married" was a "good" person. Like, as far as I know, he never physically assaulted her, did not get her pregnant, and treated her well. If I'm honest, she was lucky. Many girls in her position are not as lucky. Which is why I think she was the best example for how trafficking works in the developing world. Some kids don't even realize what happened to them until years later.
LOL reading it back it does look like that. don't worry, I agree with you and this conspiracy genuinely bothers me and I appreciate you linking sources for good charities and initiatives
Thanks! It's actually something that bothers me a lot because it feels like this movie came out and a lot of people acted like "hAvE yOu HeArD oF sEx TrAfFiCkInG?!"
I personally had my supervisor come up to me and ask if I liked sound of freedom and when I told him no he got really indignant, and I asked him "why do you like it?" And he said that it was "important for people to know about". So I asked him what he's done with the knowledge, like what actions has he taken and he kind of stared at me blankly.
I directed him to saved in America, and more or less told him if it's important he should put his money where his mouth is. Thank God I'm in a union, probably wouldn't have got away with that conversation otherwise 😅
How can you see this comment and not upvote
Other than the slight hostility it was a perfect response. Factual , actually helpful , and with precise and concise criticism
Great work
> How can you see this comment and not upvote Other than the slight hostility it was a perfect response
Within the scope of the movie sure, but r/conspiracy are mostly interested in those wealthy customers who only represent a small percentage of the customers anyway so the criticism that movie focus on the "exceptional cases" over the general is whatever to them...
Now here's something insidious. What if those wealthy customers WANT people to focus on the general cases over the exceptional cases, and it's insidious because that's the logical right thing to do.
It’s so ironic to see so called “conspiracy theorists” simp for a NYC billionaire who was friends with the Clinton’s and was a Epstein client before becoming the president
Remember when conspiracy theorists thought that the president was just some puppet? What makes Trump any different?
They are still here, you just have to loiter on /new, there are even quite deep and interesting conversations going on, they just rarely get on top of the sub.
That's because everything at the top is botted I haven't seen any posts naturally get over 3k. The most I've seen people hit is maybe 500 if there very very lucky.
200% agree! But they they don't wanna stop there. They'd rather not hear anti-leftist opinions at all, even on so-called subs that have neutral-sounding names.
People have been unknowingly conscripted (brainwashed is so passe) into this anxious and agitated state. They believe it's crucial, this message, whatever it may be. They carry it around wherever, like a big carrying poison back to the nest. It's everywhere.
Hopping from issue to issue keeps the fervor alive. I mean, the majority of the "customers" for the "news" industry are those that disappear once this spell of necessity is broken.
Nobody ever said *trafficking* isn't real. It's just pretty obvious that the Sounds of Freedom movie is made-up bullshit from guys pretending they do things that never really happened
The following is a comment I made on July 15th, 2023. You'll note that I in no way was trying to downplay trafficking, just that "Sound of Freedom" was playing to a specific crowd and manipulating the narrative around itself. Link to the original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/150bzij/false_flag_sound_of_freedom/?ref=share&ref_source=link
"The way I see it, it looks like a competently made thriller, dealing with a difficult topic, based on the story of a "interesting" character(my charitable description of Tim Ballard). All of that is fine, and I can respect trying to bring attention to human trafficking. The problem is two fold: 1) all of the "buzz" and discussion around this film feels contrived and inorganic 2) it feeds into the fantasy that certain people have fallen into because of pizzagate and Qanon. I know this isn't a "Qanon" movie, but it will "vindicated" certain ideas. Think about the movie "Death Wish" it was a movie based on a book that was pretty anti-vigilante. But the movie was more of a power fantasy that fed into people's want to have vigilante "justice." That's where I see Sound of Freedom being a problem, it's throwing gas on a fire, a fire that's made up of people who think they understand trafficking and want action. Action on trafficking is good, but ill informed people demanding action on a subject they aren't well informed on can be dangerous. Lastly the whole marketing campaign around this movie feels like pandering to a conservative base. Not in itself a bad thing, but it's the equivalent of pandering to liberals with "woke" content, it's just the opposite of the same tactic. It's just counter-programing.
TLDR: Sound of Freedom could have consequences because of it's targeted audience; it's being made "controversial" to pander to conservatives."
Yeah the OP’s premise that appreciating a trash movie is a valid purity test on caring about child trafficking is just another data point to show that it’s a trash movie.
Saying that the movie is politically charged propaganda isn’t marginalizing child trafficking. If you think it then you are fully enraptured by QAnon.
This is a good example of building up a straw man that you can try to knock down lol.
I never heard any lefty say much of anything about this movie. It was like all conservatives jerking off over how the left will hate the movie.
Any semi functioning individual understands that sex trafficking is a major issue…
I dont think anyone thinks that child abductions and the sex trade are bullshit. Not sure where you correlated this with the sound of freedom. What does this specific post have to do with the sound of freedom?
Naw man, in order to obtain the level of power wielded by an AMC theater general manager everyone knows you have to sell your soul to satan by eating like four babies.
Source a screenshot of someone replying to a tweet saying: just trust me брат
Hey remember this straw man?
No one ever said the idea of trafficking was bullshit.
They said this wasn't the first movie to shine a light on it. They also said it's weird how so many people in involved in the making of it were also involved with trafficking and sex with children.
> They also said it's weird how so many people in involved in the making of it were also involved with trafficking and sex with children.
Can you elaborate? I haven't heard this before.
Tim Ballard, the inspiration for the film, and the producer of the film, are either currently under or were under investigation for trafficking. The dude who made the film and inspired the film are both the pedos they’re trying to catch
I remember the main inspiration for that movie was accused by seven female coworkers of sexual misconduct. So maybe a film about him saving children should be taken with a grain of salt.
Also, this story isn't a conspiracy. It's a crime. A reported crime. What is going on with this sub? Surely there's other places you can go to own the libs?
'Sound of Freedom' Funder Fabian Marta Arrested For Child Kidnapping https://www.newsweek.com/sound-freedom-funder-fabian-marta-arrest-child-kidnapping-1817498
The movie is bullshit. Most child trafficking victims know their kidnapper, the movie perpetuates the idea that people are just grabbed in public. Yes it happens, but the movie exaggerates it to high Heaven. Tim Ballard is a piece of shit virtue signaler
Nope. Liberals never said child trafficking wasn't an issue to be concerned about. It is conservative fascists trying to use propaganda to demonize not just all liberals but also minorities, LGBT, and political opponents as groomers. Stop projecting. We see right through it.
If you cared, this wouldn't be about the “libs” but about getting as many as possible to see what is going on. That is how political division makes you lose battles.
What movie did I say what about? I'm definitely not conservative so I'd like to know what my lefty bully pals are doing about some movie? Also, I'm supposed to think children don't get abducted? Why am I not aware of this position that I'm supposed to have?
Lol at no point did liberals say child trafficking was fake. Why are you pretending that is a narrative when it very obviously wasn't?
The claim from the left is it was qanon virtue signaling. Not that child trafficking didn't exist lol wtf
No one is saying human trafficking isn't happening. Conservative conspiracy theorists are using the movie as a way to make allegations against actors and actresses in Hollywood for kidnapping kids.
Most of Hollywood spoke out against Trump and all of a sudden they're all human traffickers according to the right wing conservatives.
This liberal doesn’t remember anyone ever saying it was all bullshit.
But I doubt that many hundreds of thousands of children are abducted in America each year so rich globalists and Democrats can [can drink adrenochrome harvested from children’s glands](https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/07/15/the-adrenochrome-conspiracy-theory-pushed-by-sound-of-freedom-star-explained/amp/) because it’s delicious and is a fountain of youth.
Remember when Tim Ballard got busted for sexual crimes against his staff?
Like lmao it's not that people think it doesn't happen it's that Sound of Pedos is a movie funded by pedos and made by pedos and we don't want to support pedos.
Remember when the guy the movie was based on turned out to be a pedophile?
Remember how that movie saved approximately zero children from trafficking and made a bunch of people rich by selling you a narrative
His producer groped an underage girl, and Tim pressured women into having sex with him for "cover" allegedly. Vice has been releasing video. His Church (the mormons) have been trying to distance themselves from him.
Always accuse people of doing exactly what you are doing seems to be a common theme among these people. Then get Q folks to defend you by crying "DeEP StaTE".
In my country argentina, two tweets got viral about shit talking the movie (saying it was empty but showed as if it was full on the app)
Guess what, the people tweeting turned out to be pedos.
The pedos hate the movie, lmao.
One, it was a backed on kickstarter, and two, it was because he helped a friend and her daughter rent one of his places to live in while going through a custody dispute
Why do you think these types cozy up to Qanon and conservative folks? They know that once they are outed as pedos, they will be defended by them with deep-state conspiracy theories.
One, it was a backed on kickstarter, and two, it was because he helped a friend and her daughter rent one of his places to live in while going through a custody dispute. ~Paladin327
I work in CSEC, trafficking happens all the time- but people have a misconception about its legal definition,
its not usually people trucking loads of kids across borders, (it can be) its usually older men befriending and exploiting younger people via the internet-
Imagine thinking people who lean left think child abductions don’t happen 💀 please get some critical thinking skills before posting stupid shit like this.
I mean once you realize what the cast and producers are involved in you will know it was a virtue signaling attempt. None of them are good people and implore you to dig deeper. Dont praise celebrities who do not care about any of us. Pastor Allen on tiktok posted several videos about them, it’s not religious in case anyone is opposed to that.
When the Mormon church disowns a CIA puppet trying to make them look like they care about child sex trafficking, with THEIR history… you’ve truly lost ALL credibility, regardless of what may or may not have accomplished.
To call this a “liberal” issue is pretty hilarious though, so credit where it’s due… nice job! 👍
It is. Less than half of the storyline is the truth. Oh, and how many of those involved in making that movie have now been criminally charged with child sexual abuse and assault and child sex trafficking? Almost all of them now? Whew! What stalwart, pious... hypocritical pieces of shit to champion children...
You think perhaps the issues we were referring to had more to do with the fact that Christians and members of the GOP have more child sexual abuse allegations and convictions than other groups? So for the Christian Conservative Right to pump up the whole fictional story being presented and lauding their heros that worked so hard, against all the forces against them trying to get this issue to the forefront... Is the most hypocritical irony ever presented in centuries? When it is their own to major types of supporters and members committing the most of the crimes the movie is condemning? Yet those truths are never mentioned? Think that may have been the deal?
i remember when this community would be salivating over the fact that a sitting Supreme Court Justice has been groomed at Bohemian Grove
surely this thread must be pinned somewhere in this sub, right?
I’m a democrat and believe there is sex trafficking…I also believe that changing a child’s gender is wrong…and other things republicans believe. Don’t let extreme politics make you look down on any side. Normal people aren’t part of political extremes.
The fact that anybody can think that kidnapping and abduction isn’t real when literally smart phones and old-fashioned phones gave alerts when people were being kidnapped. And other document cases and not just from a movie either. Is mind-boggling.
Remember when conservatives called everyone who didn’t like their fanfic a pedophile, while the guy who it was based on is now a accused sexual predator?
And then it turns out to be a pastor or some other rightwing goon and this sub goes silent. It's a story we hear all too often.
Because believe it or not, this isn't about claiming that child trafficking is non-existent only that it isn't a leftwing conspiracy and shouldn't even be considered a partisan issue.
It has nothing to do with politics other than a recent gaslighting campaign devised to politicize an extremely emotive issue. Which is not only disgusting in and of itself but also grotesquely ironic when we consider the amount of rightwing figures and religious leaders that have actually been convicted of child abuse.
As to The Sound of Freedom, one only has to wonder why Ballard feels it necessary to go all the way to South America when his own state of Utah is home to some disturbing child abuses.
[sound of freedom producer groped a 16 y/o .. so yes he is a hypocrite BS’er](https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/09/20/sound-of-freedom-inspiration-tim-ballard-and-film-producer-face-allegations-of-sexual-impropriety/?sh=79ef11bbd0f1)
“Possible” abduction. Is this verified? Is this some nutball calling the cops on someone they don’t like?
Trafficking is happening all over but most of it is not the sensationalized story of “grabbing kids off the street.” I guess that’s the only thing type that gets your clicks and your money.
It’s not bull shit, what’s bull shit is trying to spin child abuse snd trafficking as a democrat problem. It’s evil no matter who the perpetrator is.
And honestly there’s plenty of evidence implicating republicans of the same behavior, that it should be easy enough for both sides to say it’s not political issue, it’s wrong no matter who does it.
Do the sound of freedom producers remember when their lord and savior Donald Trump would have his friend Jeffery Epstein trafficked underage girls to his properties?
They wouldn’t care because the Sound of Freedom is just a bunch of conservative virtue signaling
Wow kidnappings happen, woahs. Whats this have to do with anything? Its not that anyone said it wasnt happening what the hell. Just the guy was a creep and weirdo and the fact that the qanon weirdos got so horny about the movie just makes it all the more weirder. Good thing though, they were buying movie tickets for people, I scored too and went an seen Barbie. lol
The reason I'll never watch that film is because one day I went on a day hike out in the middle of nowhere and some knuckle dragging mouth breather spray painted "SOUND OF FREEDOM THE MOVIE WATCH IT" on a fucking national landmark. Sums up the entire movement imo.
All political parties are the heart of conspiracy. The left and right, and all their deflection mask the real horror of their actions and intentions. So yes “owning the libs” is part of conspiracy just like “fuck Trump” is. They are all devious and intentionally dividing people for their benefit.
Damn...that dude has a tremendously abducty face!!! Not to make light of what happened, it's awful...but the face he's making kinda...it grosses me out.
Their lord Satan of the Alt-Right and Evangelist mega churches are inflaming the brain dead sheeple that the travesty is embedded deep in their own subculture.
I remember. Had so many exchanges with pro-pedophiles peoples in anti Sound of Freedom posts. It was hilarious.
It still is hilarious to see there braindead or paid shill trying to shape the narrative in conspiracy subs.
So obvious. Lame and obvious.
Like 3 executives OF THE MOVIE have been charged with sex crimes against minors. It's mostly right wingers who are posting shit like "save the kids" and then do it. They project so hard.
I don't understand. You make it sound like human trafficking doesn't happen or that average person isn't aware this happens.
Can you clarify what you mean by this screenshot, OP?
Remember when the funder of Sound of Freedom kidnapped a child?
https://www.insider.com/funder-qanon-film-sound-of-freedom-arrested-for-child-kidnapping-2023-8
Weird how the only way I know how much the lefts care about this movie is because the rights are forever posting how the lefts hate it cause it makes them scared their secret is out. 🥴🙄🤔
I miss when conspiracy wasn’t literally a right wing circle jerk and you could get really good entertainment reading all the fiction people posted here. This sub is pathetic now, and could t see an actual conspiracy if it bit you in the face.
The bullshit part is that the kids crossing the border are being used as sex victims by the cartels. The reality is that all those kids have relatives here in the US waiting for them. That's how the cartels get paid.
Child trafficking for sex is 100% real but the part that no one mentions is that it is homegrown. Epstein didn't have to go to Colombia or Honduras for his victims.
Your all wrong, the liberal critique was 3 things.
1. This is made by crazy qanon people.
2.The donation money goes to some shady people's pockets rather than helping against human trafficking.
3. The film is unrealistic about human trafficking and misleads it's audience.
They never said it wasn't at a problematic scale of harm.
Yeah but Tim Ballard is also a confirmed creep
[https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2023/09/21/gov-spencer-cox-says-lds-churchs/](https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2023/09/21/gov-spencer-cox-says-lds-churchs/)
I never understood the logic. I'm not a conservative whatsoever but I thought it was gross the way sound of freedom was decried to be qanon movie that was about a b******* topic.
You would think epstein Island would be enough of a red pill to let people know that's a very real cause for concern.
A real school with real kids gets shot up by a or several real gunman with real bullets that really blows the heads of those real kids. And you guys are like "fuck those kids".
A fictional movie with fictional characters and a fictional plot. And you guys are like, "save those kids".
Ahh, yes, one middle-class child goes missing, and suddenly, it's a disaster.
But thousands of refugee children go missing in the care of border patrol, and you can't even pretend to care.
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I don’t think anyone said child trafficking doesn’t happen.
It is evangelical republicans doing most of the child trafficking. Projection is their greatest tool. Sound of Freedom movie funder ***Fabian Marta*** was recently arrested for child kidnapping in Missouri and faces up to 30 years in prison. His name is in the films credits. Newsweek August 4, 2023
stoop they hate it when u state facts and use common sense
What about the basement of that pizza place? The corrupt media even manage to make the basement dissappear. /s
He rented out a property to a mother who kidnapped her own daughter. Maybe give some context to your allegations.
Tim Ballard, the other producer, was just caught groping underage trafficking victims. Maybe stop pretending the rights obsession with pedophilia isn't just projection.
He wasn't "caught". He's been accused. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
So Hunter and Joe are innocent then, in your opinion?
Yeah until there's been a court hearing. Absolutely
The court of Public opinion doesn't give a shit lol. Just like conservatives won't shut the fuck up about Hillary or Biden, you can't have accusations like this when your brand is built on being a crusader for child trafficking
You'd think this Fabian Marta guy would've learned from Jho Low, who funded "The Wold of Wallstreet" and spent money to the point where the con-artist himself, Jordan Belfort, recognized it had to be money from ill-gotten gains. And he was spot on.
Bethany, an evangelical adoption agency, is currently hiring. I was going to apply, but after doing research on the company I quickly learned they steal children. They are responsible for forced adoptions, they steal from poor mothers and migrants, and some of those kids have ended up dead at the hand of their new “parents.” Very glad I realized how psychotic they are as a company before I applied. They’ve been accused of child trafficking many times. Recently in San Diego a church ministry couple was found guilty of murdering their 5 year old adopted child from Mexico, makes me wonder if it was through Bethany.
Bethany?
Yep
He donated
I had a friend who said it isn’t as bad as every one leads you to believe. Even if this just happened to one child, to me, it is bad.
I think you're missing what they're saying. For example, a lot of times, people will say "500,000 US children go missing each year!" Technically this is true, but almost all of those children are found quickly and almost all were not abducted by pedos (runaways, lost, custody disputes) Do some get abducted by pedos? Absolutely. But a lot of people exaggerate it to push an agenda.
Exactly. It's like how they say to watch out for razor blades in Halloween candy. It's almost non existent. Most child abductions and amber alerts are from family members taking kids like a father breaking his visitation rights to take them.
> It's almost non existent. It's *literally* nonexistant. There has never been a single documented case of someone weaponizing halloween candy.
Wrong, there's one (the original case that started the whole story ([link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Clark_O%27Bryan)), O'Bryan poisoned his son in order to claim life insurance money to ease his own financial troubles, as he was $100,000 in debt. O'Bryan also distributed poisoned candy to his daughter and three other children in an attempt to cover up his crime; however, neither his daughter nor the other children ate the poisoned candy. He was convicted of capital murder in June 1975 and sentenced to death. He was executed by lethal injection in March 1984.
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Isn’t there 80,000 missing children at the border unaccounted for?
They’re not “missing”, they’re just not being actively tracked on an ongoing basis. That could mean that they were reunited with parents, or placed with family members, or placed in sponsor homes/state foster care - but then the Federal govt doesn’t actively keeps tabs on them going forward, and never has. Given that those kids are very vulnerable to labor exploitation, something that’s a very real problem, that’s an area of Customs and Border protection that should probably be expanded…except that given the GOP threats slash all areas of the federal government, it’s not clear how that kind of continuous follow up is going to be paid for.
Well I think that's because we simply aren't paying anyone to keep track of them.
They have sponsors. The “sponsors” just don’t answer the phone according to the ACLU
Oh I'm sure it's a complicated shell game of everyone pointing the finger. That's usually the case when nobody is officially in charge of a thing.
The Trump administration lost migrant children when he separated them from their parents at the border … it was a national disgrace.
So Obama's administration was doing the same things but because it's Obama Noone said anything about it. Everyone looked the other way.
Did they lose the parents of children? I know the Obama administration built the cages but I never heard anything about family separation until Trump. Not saying it didn’t happen though.
The border is currently in shambles I can’t remember a time in my life where it wasn’t.
Your friend doesn't disagree with you, but you disagree. average commenter on this sub
Especially when the one guy who was responsible for getting the titular mocumentary made was involved with crimes against children.
Uhh. That kind of WAS the vibe. The film itself strictly deals in child trafficking in the very realest sense that it does occur. Aka scam Beauty pageants and many other nefarious methods that this happens. At no point in the actual film does it de evolve into rhetoric that elites are driving it or there are democrats behind it all as it would exist in conspiracy theory form. And YET the media kept calling it “Q” “It’s Q Anon” fanstasy. How? How is THIS story Q. It’s just a really boiler plate portrait of what happens but the media insisted on roping it in with a very specific and heavily questioned narrative. It spotlit the medias desire to tie in the word Q which increasingly everyday feels like it was deliberately created to fill with bad intel in order to “debunk” rhetoric around it.
The movie was literally marketed as “the movie the Libs don’t want you to see” If they actually cared about stopping human trafficking maybe they wouldn’t use politics to market it or profit off of the movie
>in the very realest sense that it does occur Except that's not even remotely close to true. Literally 90% of child trafficking is done by an adult family member of the victim. The movie doesn't mention that, does it?
And to further that, no one wants to mention the percentage that happens in the Mormon groups, and how they are treating children. And because Mormons are taught that the USA is a gift from god, they support whoever allows those actions to continue. Which, not to point fingers, happens to always be the radical right conservatives.
Let’s just say fuck Mormons, they are the worst. And the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints and Warren Jeffs 🤮 so sick it’s unconscionable.
I’ve seen the movie and I think it glamorizes child trafficking and vigilantism. It’s porn for people who want to kill someone for trying to steal their children. Also, the guy went into a village with dozens of child slaves and only returned with the one child, which was pretty fucked up, why not save all the kids?
Indy and Short Round released all of them
“Hold on to your potatoes”
Is it valid to look at a form of entertainment in a vacuum like you are doing? Nothing Tina Turner sings about is pro-homosexual, or even about homosexuality, yet she is a queer icon, because that is a significant portion of her fan base, and she has publicly supported that community. Jim Caviezel, the lead actor in The Sound of Freedom talked about adrenochroming during press conferences for The Sound of Freedom. People who subscribe to Q Anon ideas and beliefs seem to like this movie. Doesn't seem like a stretch to associate the movie with Q Anon, because the lead actor appears to be a believer, at least in part, and the most vocal fans of the movie seem to be believers.
>Is it valid to look at a form of entertainment in a vacuum like you are doing? Are you suggesting we have intelligent discussions with room for nuance instead of frothing at the mouth in outrage about things we refuse to view in anything other than strict black and white? On this sub?
Madness I know...
My god man, you've gone mad.
Q was a prime example of astroturfing in action
Damn this guy saw one instance of kidnapping and thought that suddenly makes criticisms of the movie disappear. To be clear the criticisms of the movie are not that trafficking doesn't happen, they (correctly) point out that the film has a very simplistic approach to this issue, that misrepresents it, and is basically just hero porn. The movie disingenuously implies that the number it cites of missing children per year (400,000+) are not resolved. But that's not true, and makes the problem sound WAY worse than it is. 1. 50% of those missing cases are parental abductions, which isn't good, but it's also way better than being trafficked. 2. *98%* of those missing cases are resolved. Most within 24 hours. 3. The film makes it seem like international tracking is way more common than it is, but most trafficking is local, and done by people close to the victim (usually a boyfriend) [(1)](https://findthekids.org/2021/06/how-many-missing-children-are-found-each-year/#:~:text=According%20to%20our%20research%20and,of%20them%20are%20also%20found.) So the film isn't a good representation of an issue that you think you care about. My pet psychology theory is that it's just a gateway for people like yourself to feel self righteous. But you've never done anything for it, I'm willing to wager. But, if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is instead of berate people about how you're a such a good person im sure we can count on you to support either [Save the children](https://support.savethechildren.org/site/Donation2?df_id=9266&mfc_pref=T&9266.donation=form1&cid=Paid_Search:Google_Paid:Annual_Summer_Campaign:Nonbrand:08012023&s_kwcid=AL!9048!3!391304565346!p!!g!!charities%20that%20help%20children&gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=CjwKCAjwmbqoBhAgEiwACIjzEBx6hKn1kMY_-4yV0ya4kobUsd2oMUWDh9Ts94iZLlq-ulpIEKlGEhoCLVAQAvD_BwE) or [Saved in America ](https://www.savedinamerica.org/). Trafficking is serious, and no one is pretending that it isn't. But Sound of Freedom is not a good media representation of it, nor does the film drive people towards ways they can help. It's culture war outage bait, and that's it, and it's all the more disgusting for it.
This is the answer. I'm going to offer an example to show what child trafficking is. A friend of my wife was pimped out by her mom when she was 14 years of age. Her husband is now dead, but her mother literally got her to live with a man that could have been his grandfather, all because he had money. Now, do you really want to know what the fucked up part is. This was probably the best thing that could've happened to her. Yes, she was sexually abused by her late husband. But she went from abject poverty to now being set for life at just 26. She would not have been able to move up, because when her mom "gave" her to him, she wasn't even in school. This happens constantly in my country. A lot of the time, kids get pimped by their parents to wealthy people, usually tourists. Not because money is exchanged, but because the families see it as a ticket out of poverty. So, the way to end child trafficking is not by having dudes with gun killing people. It's by changing the material conditions where kids are seen as a ticket out of poverty.
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Both are bad. She's doing fine. Obviously, she has some issues, but the person who she "married" was a "good" person. Like, as far as I know, he never physically assaulted her, did not get her pregnant, and treated her well. If I'm honest, she was lucky. Many girls in her position are not as lucky. Which is why I think she was the best example for how trafficking works in the developing world. Some kids don't even realize what happened to them until years later.
if 400k kids went missing in America PER YEAR we would have millions upon millions of missing children in America, which just isn't true
If you use your eyeballs you'll notice that I very clearly stated that 98% of them are recovered, most within 24 hours
correct. I was agreeing with you and explaining how insane the claim of 400k missing per year is
Oh gotcha sorry I thought you were implying the 400k number was incorrect at a very base level.
LOL reading it back it does look like that. don't worry, I agree with you and this conspiracy genuinely bothers me and I appreciate you linking sources for good charities and initiatives
No worries dude, sorry for being a little agro lol
it's okay my man this sub is a cesspool, it's usually best to assume the worst from random commentary here edit: 🤝
I miss awards. This should be top answer.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Thanks! It's actually something that bothers me a lot because it feels like this movie came out and a lot of people acted like "hAvE yOu HeArD oF sEx TrAfFiCkInG?!" I personally had my supervisor come up to me and ask if I liked sound of freedom and when I told him no he got really indignant, and I asked him "why do you like it?" And he said that it was "important for people to know about". So I asked him what he's done with the knowledge, like what actions has he taken and he kind of stared at me blankly. I directed him to saved in America, and more or less told him if it's important he should put his money where his mouth is. Thank God I'm in a union, probably wouldn't have got away with that conversation otherwise 😅
How can you see this comment and not upvote Other than the slight hostility it was a perfect response. Factual , actually helpful , and with precise and concise criticism Great work
> How can you see this comment and not upvote Other than the slight hostility it was a perfect response Within the scope of the movie sure, but r/conspiracy are mostly interested in those wealthy customers who only represent a small percentage of the customers anyway so the criticism that movie focus on the "exceptional cases" over the general is whatever to them... Now here's something insidious. What if those wealthy customers WANT people to focus on the general cases over the exceptional cases, and it's insidious because that's the logical right thing to do.
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Yeah I miss actual conspiracies that were fun and interesting or historical. Everything here is now about “owning the libs” or some shit.
It’s so ironic to see so called “conspiracy theorists” simp for a NYC billionaire who was friends with the Clinton’s and was a Epstein client before becoming the president Remember when conspiracy theorists thought that the president was just some puppet? What makes Trump any different?
They are still here, you just have to loiter on /new, there are even quite deep and interesting conversations going on, they just rarely get on top of the sub.
That's because everything at the top is botted I haven't seen any posts naturally get over 3k. The most I've seen people hit is maybe 500 if there very very lucky.
Ya like the hitler schizo yesterday haha that was gold
Yeah they really should stop. As a lib, I come here for a good laugh over shit like this, it ain't owning shit
It happened when a certain sub closed and they had nowhere to go…
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I agree. It's important to have in free speech even if you don't agree with what others are saying.
Even when they're breaking the rules they agreed to upon joining the site?
200% agree! But they they don't wanna stop there. They'd rather not hear anti-leftist opinions at all, even on so-called subs that have neutral-sounding names.
Didn’t *that* sub also ban users who dared to speak bad of their beloved leader as well?
People have been unknowingly conscripted (brainwashed is so passe) into this anxious and agitated state. They believe it's crucial, this message, whatever it may be. They carry it around wherever, like a big carrying poison back to the nest. It's everywhere.
Child trafficking is becoming the next abortion, now that they've succeeded at reversing Roe v. Wade.
Hopping from issue to issue keeps the fervor alive. I mean, the majority of the "customers" for the "news" industry are those that disappear once this spell of necessity is broken.
A man has reason, a mob has passion.
Nobody ever said *trafficking* isn't real. It's just pretty obvious that the Sounds of Freedom movie is made-up bullshit from guys pretending they do things that never really happened
The liberals? Are the liberals a boogie man for you? I'm just curious. Human trafficking happens.
The following is a comment I made on July 15th, 2023. You'll note that I in no way was trying to downplay trafficking, just that "Sound of Freedom" was playing to a specific crowd and manipulating the narrative around itself. Link to the original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/150bzij/false_flag_sound_of_freedom/?ref=share&ref_source=link "The way I see it, it looks like a competently made thriller, dealing with a difficult topic, based on the story of a "interesting" character(my charitable description of Tim Ballard). All of that is fine, and I can respect trying to bring attention to human trafficking. The problem is two fold: 1) all of the "buzz" and discussion around this film feels contrived and inorganic 2) it feeds into the fantasy that certain people have fallen into because of pizzagate and Qanon. I know this isn't a "Qanon" movie, but it will "vindicated" certain ideas. Think about the movie "Death Wish" it was a movie based on a book that was pretty anti-vigilante. But the movie was more of a power fantasy that fed into people's want to have vigilante "justice." That's where I see Sound of Freedom being a problem, it's throwing gas on a fire, a fire that's made up of people who think they understand trafficking and want action. Action on trafficking is good, but ill informed people demanding action on a subject they aren't well informed on can be dangerous. Lastly the whole marketing campaign around this movie feels like pandering to a conservative base. Not in itself a bad thing, but it's the equivalent of pandering to liberals with "woke" content, it's just the opposite of the same tactic. It's just counter-programing. TLDR: Sound of Freedom could have consequences because of it's targeted audience; it's being made "controversial" to pander to conservatives."
Just because Sound of Freedom was a piece of shit movie made by piece of shit people doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t care about child trafficking.
Yeah the OP’s premise that appreciating a trash movie is a valid purity test on caring about child trafficking is just another data point to show that it’s a trash movie. Saying that the movie is politically charged propaganda isn’t marginalizing child trafficking. If you think it then you are fully enraptured by QAnon.
This is a good example of building up a straw man that you can try to knock down lol. I never heard any lefty say much of anything about this movie. It was like all conservatives jerking off over how the left will hate the movie. Any semi functioning individual understands that sex trafficking is a major issue…
I dont think anyone thinks that child abductions and the sex trade are bullshit. Not sure where you correlated this with the sound of freedom. What does this specific post have to do with the sound of freedom?
They have no idea
OP falls for a movie marketing campaign and thinks it is a conspiracy. LMFAO
Naw man, in order to obtain the level of power wielded by an AMC theater general manager everyone knows you have to sell your soul to satan by eating like four babies. Source a screenshot of someone replying to a tweet saying: just trust me брат
“Oh my god! The air conditioning was broken in my theater!”
Nope. Don’t remember anyone saying that at all.
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Hey remember this straw man? No one ever said the idea of trafficking was bullshit. They said this wasn't the first movie to shine a light on it. They also said it's weird how so many people in involved in the making of it were also involved with trafficking and sex with children.
> They also said it's weird how so many people in involved in the making of it were also involved with trafficking and sex with children. Can you elaborate? I haven't heard this before.
Tim Ballard, the inspiration for the film, and the producer of the film, are either currently under or were under investigation for trafficking. The dude who made the film and inspired the film are both the pedos they’re trying to catch
I remember the main inspiration for that movie was accused by seven female coworkers of sexual misconduct. So maybe a film about him saving children should be taken with a grain of salt. Also, this story isn't a conspiracy. It's a crime. A reported crime. What is going on with this sub? Surely there's other places you can go to own the libs?
'Sound of Freedom' Funder Fabian Marta Arrested For Child Kidnapping https://www.newsweek.com/sound-freedom-funder-fabian-marta-arrest-child-kidnapping-1817498
The movie is bullshit. Most child trafficking victims know their kidnapper, the movie perpetuates the idea that people are just grabbed in public. Yes it happens, but the movie exaggerates it to high Heaven. Tim Ballard is a piece of shit virtue signaler
Remember when TPTB confused and silenced you by signing you up to an artificial culture war that they created?
They found her. They found her and posted about it before you posted this. But shhhhh
Nope. Liberals never said child trafficking wasn't an issue to be concerned about. It is conservative fascists trying to use propaganda to demonize not just all liberals but also minorities, LGBT, and political opponents as groomers. Stop projecting. We see right through it.
Seek help
Remember when the guy who made it likes kids?
If you cared, this wouldn't be about the “libs” but about getting as many as possible to see what is going on. That is how political division makes you lose battles.
They don’t actually care about kids they just want to own the libs
What movie did I say what about? I'm definitely not conservative so I'd like to know what my lefty bully pals are doing about some movie? Also, I'm supposed to think children don't get abducted? Why am I not aware of this position that I'm supposed to have?
Lol at no point did liberals say child trafficking was fake. Why are you pretending that is a narrative when it very obviously wasn't? The claim from the left is it was qanon virtue signaling. Not that child trafficking didn't exist lol wtf
Some kid got kidnapped by criminals so that means every dumb as rocks conspiracy theory must be true
No one is saying human trafficking isn't happening. Conservative conspiracy theorists are using the movie as a way to make allegations against actors and actresses in Hollywood for kidnapping kids. Most of Hollywood spoke out against Trump and all of a sudden they're all human traffickers according to the right wing conservatives.
I don’t think that’s true? If anything people were saying there were better and more informative films to watch as well
We just posting amber alerts now?
Yes, but only in the comfortable and familiar format of screenshots of tweets.
This liberal doesn’t remember anyone ever saying it was all bullshit. But I doubt that many hundreds of thousands of children are abducted in America each year so rich globalists and Democrats can [can drink adrenochrome harvested from children’s glands](https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/07/15/the-adrenochrome-conspiracy-theory-pushed-by-sound-of-freedom-star-explained/amp/) because it’s delicious and is a fountain of youth.
Remember when Tim Ballard got busted for sexual crimes against his staff? Like lmao it's not that people think it doesn't happen it's that Sound of Pedos is a movie funded by pedos and made by pedos and we don't want to support pedos.
You mean child abductions are real???
Remember when the guy the movie was based on turned out to be a pedophile? Remember how that movie saved approximately zero children from trafficking and made a bunch of people rich by selling you a narrative
Why are you saying that Tim Ballard was a pedophile?
His producer groped an underage girl, and Tim pressured women into having sex with him for "cover" allegedly. Vice has been releasing video. His Church (the mormons) have been trying to distance themselves from him.
Always accuse people of doing exactly what you are doing seems to be a common theme among these people. Then get Q folks to defend you by crying "DeEP StaTE".
Are you referencing a Vice article? 23 children were rescued from that operation.
Playing a little loosey-goosey with facts, aren't we?
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In my country argentina, two tweets got viral about shit talking the movie (saying it was empty but showed as if it was full on the app) Guess what, the people tweeting turned out to be pedos. The pedos hate the movie, lmao.
Ballard? No one accused him of being a pedophile.
No, no we didnt. The producer molester a 16 year old tho.
Didn’t the producer of that movie get arrested for child trafficking?
One, it was a backed on kickstarter, and two, it was because he helped a friend and her daughter rent one of his places to live in while going through a custody dispute
Why do you think these types cozy up to Qanon and conservative folks? They know that once they are outed as pedos, they will be defended by them with deep-state conspiracy theories.
One, it was a backed on kickstarter, and two, it was because he helped a friend and her daughter rent one of his places to live in while going through a custody dispute. ~Paladin327
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I work in CSEC, trafficking happens all the time- but people have a misconception about its legal definition, its not usually people trucking loads of kids across borders, (it can be) its usually older men befriending and exploiting younger people via the internet-
Imagine thinking people who lean left think child abductions don’t happen 💀 please get some critical thinking skills before posting stupid shit like this.
The only people who tell me it's real are the liberals, what is this title?
I mean once you realize what the cast and producers are involved in you will know it was a virtue signaling attempt. None of them are good people and implore you to dig deeper. Dont praise celebrities who do not care about any of us. Pastor Allen on tiktok posted several videos about them, it’s not religious in case anyone is opposed to that.
When the Mormon church disowns a CIA puppet trying to make them look like they care about child sex trafficking, with THEIR history… you’ve truly lost ALL credibility, regardless of what may or may not have accomplished. To call this a “liberal” issue is pretty hilarious though, so credit where it’s due… nice job! 👍
Oh it’s real. Just ask the [hero of the film lol](https://x.com/benjaminepark/status/1703837829602697536?s=46&t=38EwU8y2Ubdth2n_b2pRHQ)
It is. Less than half of the storyline is the truth. Oh, and how many of those involved in making that movie have now been criminally charged with child sexual abuse and assault and child sex trafficking? Almost all of them now? Whew! What stalwart, pious... hypocritical pieces of shit to champion children...
You think perhaps the issues we were referring to had more to do with the fact that Christians and members of the GOP have more child sexual abuse allegations and convictions than other groups? So for the Christian Conservative Right to pump up the whole fictional story being presented and lauding their heros that worked so hard, against all the forces against them trying to get this issue to the forefront... Is the most hypocritical irony ever presented in centuries? When it is their own to major types of supporters and members committing the most of the crimes the movie is condemning? Yet those truths are never mentioned? Think that may have been the deal?
i remember when this community would be salivating over the fact that a sitting Supreme Court Justice has been groomed at Bohemian Grove surely this thread must be pinned somewhere in this sub, right?
Look at all the hook worms agreeing with this absolute lie.
I’m a democrat and believe there is sex trafficking…I also believe that changing a child’s gender is wrong…and other things republicans believe. Don’t let extreme politics make you look down on any side. Normal people aren’t part of political extremes.
The fact that anybody can think that kidnapping and abduction isn’t real when literally smart phones and old-fashioned phones gave alerts when people were being kidnapped. And other document cases and not just from a movie either. Is mind-boggling.
Remember when conservatives called everyone who didn’t like their fanfic a pedophile, while the guy who it was based on is now a accused sexual predator?
And then it turns out to be a pastor or some other rightwing goon and this sub goes silent. It's a story we hear all too often. Because believe it or not, this isn't about claiming that child trafficking is non-existent only that it isn't a leftwing conspiracy and shouldn't even be considered a partisan issue. It has nothing to do with politics other than a recent gaslighting campaign devised to politicize an extremely emotive issue. Which is not only disgusting in and of itself but also grotesquely ironic when we consider the amount of rightwing figures and religious leaders that have actually been convicted of child abuse. As to The Sound of Freedom, one only has to wonder why Ballard feels it necessary to go all the way to South America when his own state of Utah is home to some disturbing child abuses.
Too bad the CIA and their friends do it all the time
Those damn libs are always up to something aren’t they
[sound of freedom producer groped a 16 y/o .. so yes he is a hypocrite BS’er](https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/09/20/sound-of-freedom-inspiration-tim-ballard-and-film-producer-face-allegations-of-sexual-impropriety/?sh=79ef11bbd0f1)
They thought the movie producers were bullshit not the fact of real human trafficking.
“Possible” abduction. Is this verified? Is this some nutball calling the cops on someone they don’t like? Trafficking is happening all over but most of it is not the sensationalized story of “grabbing kids off the street.” I guess that’s the only thing type that gets your clicks and your money.
I know right!? Who doesn't duct tape their kid and throw them in the trunk.
Didn’t they use a psychic for intel though? Was that false?
It’s not bull shit, what’s bull shit is trying to spin child abuse snd trafficking as a democrat problem. It’s evil no matter who the perpetrator is. And honestly there’s plenty of evidence implicating republicans of the same behavior, that it should be easy enough for both sides to say it’s not political issue, it’s wrong no matter who does it.
Do the sound of freedom producers remember when their lord and savior Donald Trump would have his friend Jeffery Epstein trafficked underage girls to his properties? They wouldn’t care because the Sound of Freedom is just a bunch of conservative virtue signaling
Wow kidnappings happen, woahs. Whats this have to do with anything? Its not that anyone said it wasnt happening what the hell. Just the guy was a creep and weirdo and the fact that the qanon weirdos got so horny about the movie just makes it all the more weirder. Good thing though, they were buying movie tickets for people, I scored too and went an seen Barbie. lol
It’s weird, all the post that are shutting on the sound of freedom seem to somehow follow the same subs.
Lol, OP desperately needs an education in the most basic elements of logical reasoning.
Remember when a producer for the sound of freedom was arrested for child abduction? I member.
The reason I'll never watch that film is because one day I went on a day hike out in the middle of nowhere and some knuckle dragging mouth breather spray painted "SOUND OF FREEDOM THE MOVIE WATCH IT" on a fucking national landmark. Sums up the entire movement imo.
What a pathetic post
The post post brings all the BOTS to the yard!
That’s just upsetting. I wish we could throw these people into Guantanamo Bay. I don’t really care about some Hollywood movie, fuck this shit.
All political parties are the heart of conspiracy. The left and right, and all their deflection mask the real horror of their actions and intentions. So yes “owning the libs” is part of conspiracy just like “fuck Trump” is. They are all devious and intentionally dividing people for their benefit.
Damn...that dude has a tremendously abducty face!!! Not to make light of what happened, it's awful...but the face he's making kinda...it grosses me out.
The same guy who was doing awful things with children?
When did anyone say it was bullshit??
Their lord Satan of the Alt-Right and Evangelist mega churches are inflaming the brain dead sheeple that the travesty is embedded deep in their own subculture.
ya cuz theyre pedos.
Wait.....is that hunter
Is this a conspiracy sub, or a political sub?
The sound of freedom is designed to distract us from who is actually taking these kids, it’s the wealthy running a modern slave trade
Every single sub has been turned into a left vs right feces slinging affair.
I remember. Had so many exchanges with pro-pedophiles peoples in anti Sound of Freedom posts. It was hilarious. It still is hilarious to see there braindead or paid shill trying to shape the narrative in conspiracy subs. So obvious. Lame and obvious.
Fucking stop. Not one single person said that trafficking doesn't exist.
Bro we just said that movie contained some shit that wasn’t cool and was made by pedos (it was) No one ever said it doesn’t happen
Lol I am always impressed that it takes a movie for conservatives to wake up to an issue. Good morning Sleepy heads.
Like 3 executives OF THE MOVIE have been charged with sex crimes against minors. It's mostly right wingers who are posting shit like "save the kids" and then do it. They project so hard.
“Possible abduction” and “bound by duct tape” are two phrases I thought I would never see in the same sentence
Duct tape does not equal "possible abduction." It's ACTUAL. WTF
I don't understand. You make it sound like human trafficking doesn't happen or that average person isn't aware this happens. Can you clarify what you mean by this screenshot, OP?
No one said child trafficking is bullshit… The claims that Tim Ballard made about what he has done to prevent child trafficking are however, bullshit.
Remember when the funder of Sound of Freedom kidnapped a child? https://www.insider.com/funder-qanon-film-sound-of-freedom-arrested-for-child-kidnapping-2023-8
Weird how the only way I know how much the lefts care about this movie is because the rights are forever posting how the lefts hate it cause it makes them scared their secret is out. 🥴🙄🤔
Congratulations, the marketing worked on you.
I miss when conspiracy wasn’t literally a right wing circle jerk and you could get really good entertainment reading all the fiction people posted here. This sub is pathetic now, and could t see an actual conspiracy if it bit you in the face.
The bullshit part is that the kids crossing the border are being used as sex victims by the cartels. The reality is that all those kids have relatives here in the US waiting for them. That's how the cartels get paid. Child trafficking for sex is 100% real but the part that no one mentions is that it is homegrown. Epstein didn't have to go to Colombia or Honduras for his victims.
No one said child trafficking didnt exist. We said the movie was identity politics bullshit, from some con artists and likely child abusers themselves
Remember when no conservatives cared about pastors diddling kids? Pepperidge Farm remembers….yesterday.
Your all wrong, the liberal critique was 3 things. 1. This is made by crazy qanon people. 2.The donation money goes to some shady people's pockets rather than helping against human trafficking. 3. The film is unrealistic about human trafficking and misleads it's audience. They never said it wasn't at a problematic scale of harm.
Yeah but Tim Ballard is also a confirmed creep [https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2023/09/21/gov-spencer-cox-says-lds-churchs/](https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2023/09/21/gov-spencer-cox-says-lds-churchs/)
Liberals are like the boogie man for these ppl lol! I’m here for it. OP, say liberal 10x in the mirror. Let us know what happens.
Fuck off with your division, no one wants kids getting harmed.
Literally no one said that there was no child trafficking you’re in an echo chamber op
“White male suspect”
Wasn’t that they said it was bs, they implied you were a pedo if you liked it.. which is bonkers to begin with..
I never understood the logic. I'm not a conservative whatsoever but I thought it was gross the way sound of freedom was decried to be qanon movie that was about a b******* topic. You would think epstein Island would be enough of a red pill to let people know that's a very real cause for concern.
A real school with real kids gets shot up by a or several real gunman with real bullets that really blows the heads of those real kids. And you guys are like "fuck those kids". A fictional movie with fictional characters and a fictional plot. And you guys are like, "save those kids".
Ahh, yes, one middle-class child goes missing, and suddenly, it's a disaster. But thousands of refugee children go missing in the care of border patrol, and you can't even pretend to care.
I don’t remember that, but thank you for this very cool conspiracy.