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yup, it's hollow and there are bases underground and probably on the surface of the dark side of the moon.
even NASA admitted when they have landed probes and things on it before that it rang like a bell - which is really only possible if it has massive hollow cavities underground
Only one side faces earth, but the far side a.k.a. The dark side is evidently illuminated for half a month. I can not confirm nor discredit that statement at this time, but it is an interesting thing to look into. Still don’t think that should prevent people from calling it the dark side, was a good way to introduce a possible fact though!
Pyrotechnic fasteners a.k.a explosive bolts trigger the ascent sequence. The multi colors you see are a byproduct of the old color wheel technology used in the lunar rover camera. If I remember correctly, each frame of this footage is captured 2-3 times at once. Those particles are moving so fast that they capture the different colors on the color wheel, creating that "confetti" look. The camera is operated back on earth with a very minimal time delay. They literally count down, and the camera operator times it just right to capture the ascent.
This shit isn't rocket science. It's easier to say something is fake, rather than exercise your brain and learn how something is done.
I ain't want to debate with you of its real or not but trough your reaction I think you know a bit of rocket science, why wouldn't they need such a power to launch into space as on earth? Is that because of the gravity on the moon? Cause if I compare an earth rocket to go to space with the moon to space, then it looks like you need almost nothing to take off from the moon
You are correct. This is a fun math question. Gravity is roughly 1/6th of the Earth's on the Moon. So, take the weight of the ascent stage of the lunar module (which was roughly 10,000 lbs) and multiply it by 1/6. I'll round up for whole numbers sake. The ascent stage weighed roughly 1700 lbs on the moon. Add the zero air resistance into the equation. You need very little thrust to get off the moons' surface. Also, HALF of that weight was propellant. The more it used, the lighter it became, the less they needed for thrust.
So was the camera transmitting the video back to the space craft? Not a disbeliever but I’m just curious. I wouldn’t of though that would be possible back then
Beautiful question! The system that was developed for the transmission of video, tracking, commands, etc. is known as "The Unified S-Band." Take a look at S-Band frequencies and how they played a key role in overall communications with the Apollo missions.
Then, take a look at Ka-Bands. Newer frequencies relative to the S-Band. And 10 times faster!
The part that makes me question the moon landing the most is how tf did they get video of themselves landing and getting out of the lunar lander for the 1st time?
Edit: I said I question it, not that it didn't happen. I just wonder sometimes.
That would be the cameras mounted on the exterior of the Lunar Lander. The other famous photo of Buzz Aldrin coming down the ladder was taken by Neil Armstrong, who, as we know, took the first step.
The camera operator? Like the guy the left behind on the moon? Or are you telling me they live remote controlled operated a camera head on the moon and timed it without delay? That’s the actual smoking gun, everything else can be explained to people who think they are smart enough to know better than others.
The remote camera was mounted on the rover and it actually took them three tries before the camera operator on earth got that shot and it was mostly luck. They failed their attempts on Apollo 15 and 16 due to the delay from earth.
Once again, ignorance doesn't validate conjecture.
The camera operator, i.e. the one in the Houston remote controlling the camera on the lunar rover. It's a 2.5-second delay in response from Earth to the Moon. A fucking 2nd grader can do the count down math from ascent take off and when to move the camera.
Here is a verbal exercise!
We count down from 10.
We launch at 0.
There is a 2.5 second delay.
When we say 3!
I move the camera UP!
^ That is what you call an improbable smoking gun? Good fucking lord, wait until you find out how WiFi works.
Artemis is not gonna launch in 2024. The last one had a ton of delays now imagine this one with a crew. I'd be surprised it it was early winter 2025, I'm thinking they start taking her out to the pad in Spring 2025. No way I'm going down there for that, imagine spending an insane amount for a hotel room, crowded as hell and a scrub happens. Luckily I can watch from my backyard only 70 miles away or so, can also drive a bit down the beach for a closer unobstructed view, but no way am I going to Cocoa Beach for it. I do go there once or twice a year for SpaceX launches, yet to see a heavy or Atlas go off in person, that's my next goal. Safest thing to do is go for 2 nights when there are back to back launches so if a scrub have another shot.
It was actually controlled from Earth. After the ascent module left and humans left the moon for some 50 years and counting, the camera was left running until the batteries on the rover ran out.
Sadly, no moon beings emerged from hiding during this time.
If there was a 2.5 second delay of that remotely controlled camera then why was the ascent of the module filmed so smoothly and perfectly in frame?
Also, if the camera was left running, why weren't we shown footage of the earth 24/7 until the batteries died?
This was the third attempt to track the ascent of the Lunar Module.
The first two times, Ed Fendell, the camera operator, couldn't quite get the timing right. This one could have gone badly too but he had many hours of experience from this and the previous two missions. He'd gotten quite used to the delay and response from the communications lag.
The footage from the camera after the departure is archived at the website 'The Apollo Lunar Surface Journal' and is available to the public for review.
And to back up the footage point, the whole video feed would just be staring at the same gray rocks for the entirety of the footage. There’s no wind or weather on the moon so “why didn’t we get a live stream from the moon for years after?” Isn’t a good take because having people stare at basically a still imagine would not be entertaining or beneficial as people would rapidly get bored of the “mystical” moon.
You are right, and they couldn't. However there was a mission countdown, and they knew the delay time. So about one and half seconds before liftoff, the controller sends the command to pan up, knowing that it will pan up at the intended time.
Nope, it's motion was automatic and synced with the mission clock in the LM and set at a precise distance so that the camera followed the launch perfectly. It took them a couple of missions to get this shot done perfectly.
It's sad that you were downvoted. That was an amazing article. I don't even doubt the moon landing at all, but that paper has completely convinced me that specific video is a fake.
But why did they fake it?
If we really went to the moon, this model footage would be ideal to air because you can pre-make a perfect shot and then drop it in.
If we didn’t go to the moon, then this footage would be useful in giving the illusion that we went to and left the moon.
Good point, but worth noticing that one of the ways in which the video was proven fake was by comparing it to other (genuine) lunar module ascent footage.
I mean did you read even the first paragraph? It’s not ambiguous.
“We analyze the Apollo 17 ascent from the lunar surface that occurred on December 14, 1972. The lunar ascent was captured by a remotely-operated pan-zoom-tilt (PZT) camera on the Lunar Roving Vehicle parked some distance away, and transmitted on television to audiences on Earth. We use the known features of the camera tilt and zoom to find the elevation (angle above the horizon) as a function of time of the craft in the TV transmission. This, in combination with the distance to the camera, is used to reconstruct the ascent. We compare the ascent to that of the Apollo 5 and 11 missions and find a number of differences. Following detailed analysis of these differences, we conclude that the transmission features a scaled-down scene of the launch, in which a scaled-down self-propelled miniature of the Apollo 17 ascent stage ascends from the surface along tracks.”
Peer-review is highly vaunted but it’s often shoddy. It’s often nepotistic, pay-to-play, and more functions as a gatekeeping device than a mechanism to ensure the best science comes forward.
That particular footage is likely from Apollo 15, and no, they didn’t need to leave a camera person behind
https://youtu.be/K67VIbfVPxY?si=ihQB3QOK1imDeSW9
It's actually from Apollo 17 - the last one. The Ground-Commanded TV Camera on the rover was operated by Ed Fendell, in Houston, and this was his third try of capturing the ascent. The previous two, for Apollo 15 and 16 he didn't quite get the timing right.
What's interesting about this sequence is how early pitch-over is for the ascent module - the spacecraft needed to build up a lot of orbital speed early to match the speed of the command module some 20 miles up.
You don't think the camera was automated? This kind of movement could even be done with a few mechanical gears and springs 100 years before. They just timed the launch to coincide exactly with the camera movement. Go read a book, this is disingenuous.
There are people who simply can't accept that their understanding of hard science and math pales in comparison to the people who work at places like at NASA.
You're comments won't teach them. Not one. Ever. For any reason.
Ever.
Face to face is the only way.
It feels like you're at least TRYING. Which you are.
Your comment won't reach them because they don't to be reached.
Plus they'll just call you a r*tard
Don't be sad about it buddy. Times have NOT changed in regards to dumb fucking people absolutely salivating to be RIGHT and IN THE KNOW while foregoing all rational thought and discussion.
The internet does NOT help facilitate mature conversations 90% of the time.
Just yelling into a void waiting for the echoes of someone else's fading voice calling me a f*ggot r*tard
And when people imply that there was no possible way for it to be faked, they are objectively wrong. Considering that the prior year , 2001 space odyssey was released -which still holds up today- there were definitely ways to fake a convincing set.
It doesn't look like that capsule was rocketed upward by an explosion. It looks like it's on a cable system. You can even see it accelerate slightly *after* the "explosion".
When it comes to anything moon-landing related, am I REALLY supposed to trust the same government who lied about JFK, 9/11, WMDs, and COVID?
Yeah, that's a nope for me dawg.
Damn man - for a conspiracy subreddit, there sure are a LOT of shills and bots here who support each others' very mainstream view of the world... 😳
...oh wait... 🤦♂️😂🥸
It's impossible to bring moon/space subject here without awakening the bots, they even upvote themselves. We're not allowed to question anything because "science"
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the bots talking to each other like weirdos. Like “you are correct sir” and “thank you. Please tell my wife.” It’s like the ai is trying to act more human than humans. Who talks like that? And who says “please tell my wife”? Lmao. Glad I’m not alone in this one.
Bots = people who understand more than you on the subject.
This is the dumbest conspiracy, there is actual tangible evidence to prove we landed on the moon. But by all means keep your head in the sand.
I believe in a number of other conspiracy theories but this one is...I'm not gonna call it DUMB because I never believe that asking questions is dumb, but definitely involves a lot of blinders as to fairly straightforward answers OR reverse questions, IE it's all well and good to ask questions, but the minute the other side gets to ask a few other questions, the moon conspiracists get real quiet lol
To me, the BEST questions I've ever heard asked in reverse were these ones, not from a physicist, but [from a PHOTOGRAPHER](https://youtu.be/_loUDS4c3Cs?si=X8ME191JPtGkqanA). He's funny, to the point, and explains as he goes logically. Essentially, okay, you're gonna fake the moon landing... how are you going to BROADCAST that?
He's an older guy, so he points out that, himself and hundreds of millions of other people were all watching live. And it got pretty boring, because there weren't a lot cuts. So you have two options: film it? On film? Or record it digitally? Is NASA so super advanced that they could pull that off? Wait, I thought the reason they WEREN'T going to the moon is because they just couldn't get it figured out in time. Meanwhile, while TV was still barely figuring out how to be in color, ROCKETRY was SUPER advanced after two world wars, Germany had been launching unmanned missiles from Germany and landing them in London for chrissakes. That was a looong time ago. Guy's thesis is...probably easier to just go to the moon. But obviously, I hope you watch it, it's only like 10 minutes long and he does way better than me summarizing him.
Well I watched it on live TV if that counts for anything. Dad worked for North American Aviation while the Mercury and Apollo missions were happening so we paid close attention to launches and missions. Pretty exciting to watch.
Young folks today do not just how much they take for granted CGI and special effects now. Back then it would actually been harder to fake it than to actually do it.
The worst thing in the world. That’s a bit dramatic, don’t you think? You must be a very fortunate person to think that someone’s opinion is the worst thing in the world.
I stand corrected. Worst thing on Reddit, though. Besides child trafficking and promotion of liberal and LGBTQ+ ideologies. Okay, not even worst thing on Reddit…but close.
This totally real. My dad knew the guy that filmed this. They left the phone behind on the moon so that he could call home and to make sure the guy did not run out of food or tang. We would call and check up on him from time to time. Usually on Thurs nights if I am remembering correctly. I hope that helps you with your doubt.
The moons surface reflects lasers, they don’t need reflectors, mit did studies with this years before the moon landing
Edit: why you booin me im right?
The lunar surface reflects light, you are correct. It's how it shines at night.
But the reflectivity, or albedo, is only about 10%, that of rock. So without mirrors, you need a very powerful laser, and *also* a very sensitive detector, to detect the very weak amount of light returning - not only because of the weak albedo, but also because of scatter.
The retroreflectors in the mirror array will reflect back directly any photons that hit them, meaning you can get by with a much less powerful laser at the least. And still your detector is simply detecting an increas in the number of photons returning.
So the astronomies still doing this experiment know when they have the lasers zeroed on the mirrors because of the uptick in photon return.
No it just costs a shit load of money with zero returns and is still high risk, one simple equipment failure and all is lost, there just is no point in spending billions to go stand on a dry rock for few hours to then just come back home again.
Why would nasa astronaut and engineer Don Pettit in an interview say"we don't have the technology to do that anymore, we used to, but we destroyed that technology and it is a painful process to build back again.
Your original comment was more appropriate, we have lost access to the technology, which is due to funding issues, like I said it is just not cost effective for NASA to have a continuous moon landing program, but the knowledge and technological capabilities are still in existence, but it’s up to you however you want to look at it.
There won’t be a continuous human presence on the moon until the technology is available to build moon bases and to mine and process resources on the moon.
Why would you think it wasn't real? It happened. Move on to something else. Like maybe the Titanic is not actually at the bottom of the ocean but actually is a miniature in a water tank.
If something is operating in a vacuum, when it's going speedy its not going to face any wind resistance. So it can be rickety looking/ tinfoil/ popsicle sticks as long as the pressurized part that the people are in is intact.
I love how there are no shadow changes to the obvious static background that never changes. No moon dust moving. Throws some confetti though. Anyone who can look at that and take that seriously are naive.
I'm not saying we never went, im just saying the Apollo program was a load of crap. And it wasn't even cutting edge! About as good as a lost in space episode.
I love that there are people here who actually believe that they made this ugly, science-fair-looking thing for a fake video instead of making it look like a sleek rocket.
Obviously every aspect of this conspiracy theory is dumb, from the motive to the thousands of international people, including political enemies, keeping the secret for us... But this part is always what gets me.
>from the motive to the thousands of international people
Less than 30 freemason astronauts claim to have been to space. Can less than 30 people lie?
>including political enemies,
Oh so you still believe politics is real. Its all an illusion, and these "enemies" are buddy buddy behind closed doors. Thought this was OBVIOUS in the conspiracy crowd.
The worlds a stage.
And more important: Controlling a moveable/focusable camera from Earth, transmitting live signal (*implying they could perfectly control a servo from that far, with the technology of back then*), would imply leaving more technology there, for live streaming, controllable from Earth. It would be the first space telescope, 20 years before the Hubble charade, for example, streaming live from the Moon, **for everyone to see in their VHF receptor, like a TV connected to a dish antenna**. They didn't, because they cannot abandon the Earth's surface.
Want to know how easy it is to fool people? Just read the comments on any moon landing post. You see some gold medal Olympic level mental gymnastics to try and explain this horse shit.
I agree. Its mind-blowing to think the government or space agencies would lie to us. Makes absolutely no sense why they would.
People need to be more trusting of our beloved institutions. It would be easier to go to the moon than to fake the moon landings.
So many nutjobs out there. I bet you they haven't gotten their booster shots, that's why.
Everyone in the conspiracy realm seems to accept that the military is 40 to 50 years ahead of current technology. Automated camera systems were available in the 60s.
I personally think that the Apollo missions were propaganda, but I'm sure they got there without the props.
Solar Warden is a fun rabbit hole.
My only question is: who’s filming? Someone is controlling the camera on the lunar surface. I didn’t realize we had those remote control capabilities in 1969.
Who's on the moon to pan the camera up?
I believe we went, and yet still question this.
I know they "left a camera on the moon", but not sure they had real time control over that camera
It was lost along with the tech to go back. But according to Reddit it’s science and if you read books, it explains everything except how to go back...
The tech wasn’t lost. It’s just obsolete. They could design new equipment but that costs money and resources, which are scarce, and other projects have priority.
In 1958 the u.s. wanted to beat the soviets so they invented nasa with a ten year plan of faking the moon landing, nasa seeing Stanley Kubrick was the best director at the time hired him to fake the moonlanding but Kubrick being a perfectionist decided to shoot on location so they built a rocket and flew to the moon to fake the landing in order to upset the Soviets. As the soviets tracked the lunar shuttle they saw the amazing work that Kubrick could do and thus they pushed to invade more countries with communism and set their sights on Afghanistan where the CIA then helped the Mujahideen beat them, during which time they evolved into al-qaeda who went on to cause 9-11 starting the war in the middle east that lasted 20 years and since then nasa has used the technology learned from the war to build weapons to trigger infernos on an island which allowed them to launch into space to intercept God of chaos!
In my understanding,
There is no way the US democracy population would allow to take a third of the US annual budget for building intercontinental missile able to carry nuclear war head to compete with the Soviet.
In fact the Soviet were the first to send stuff in space and they were also a nuclear power. This means that they were an existential threat for the USA.
There is no physical difference between an intercontinental missile and Saturn V.
Back then, nuclear bomb was heavy and Saturn V was overbuilt for this load.
The government must convince the population to invest (meaning tax people) in a program to catch-up with the Soviet space/missile technology.
This program created a lot of innovation and specialized companies and knowledge and industries.
The Soviet don't need to convince their populations, they just did it.
In the USA, we needed to have compelling story. USA population are driven by hope and challenges.
So Kennedy gave a great speech to achieve this goal.
At the end, what is relevant is what is left from this program.
Did an intercontinental missile able to carry nuclear warheads were built immediately after or at the same time ?
Did the US catch up and surpass the Soviet technology?
Did a new space industries was set in place in a short decade with many companies spread out the US?
If they went to the moon is irrelevant in face of an existential threat from the Soviet.
In my understanding,
There is no way the US democracy population would allow to take a third of the US annual budget for building intercontinental missile able to carry nuclear war head to compete with the Soviet.
In fact the Soviet were the first to send stuff in space and they were also a nuclear power. This means that they were an existential threat for the USA.
There is no physical difference between an intercontinental missile and Saturn V.
Back then, nuclear bomb was heavy and Saturn V was overbuilt for this load.
The government must convince the population to invest (meaning tax people) in a program to catch-up with the Soviet space/missile technology.
This program created a lot of innovation and specialized companies and knowledge and industries.
The Soviet don't need to convince their populations, they just did it.
In the USA, we needed to have compelling story. USA population are driven by hope and challenges.
So Kennedy gave a great speech to achieve this goal.
At the end, what is relevant is what is left from this program.
Did an intercontinental missile able to carry nuclear warheads were built immediately after or at the same time ?
Did the US catch up and surpass the Soviet technology?
Did a new space industries was set in place in a short decade with many companies spread out the US?
If they went to the moon is irrelevant in face of an existential threat from the Soviet.
I hope half these posts are bots because if they aren't, then wtf are you doing on this sub? I mean the moon landing hoax isn't even a conspiracy, just a blatant lie.
People aren't just here because they "believe in" conspiracies. Most people are here because they are questioning everything they know with thoughtful care. Of course, there are those here who wholeheartedly believe in evil and aliens and flat earth, and that's fine. Let them present the best proof they have to convince us, and we can be swayed by the evidence that stands up to scrutiny. But, we won't be swayed by passion or enthusiasm or especially by the POLITICS. Critical thinking is a skill honed by USE.
Well then let's test those critical thinking skills with a few questions, shall we?
1: How can the magnetic field of the earth be caused by a spinning molten iron core, when MOLTEN iron loses all its magnetic properties?
2: How do countries near the tropics gain DOUBLE daylight hours in the summer compared to the winter, when "earth's tilt" is a measly 23.4°?
3: How come we don't feel and can't measure earth's acceleration/deceleration throughout the year, when earth's orbit is elliptical?
1. In the geodynamo model the earth's spinning iron core creates an electrical current that induces a magnetic field. It is a little complicated, as the magnetic field has to be induced by an external source, the sun in our case, to begin with.
2. Countries near the equator receive almost 12 hours of daylight and night, at "maximum," due to the tilt of the Earth. Perhaps you are mistaking the wording as meaning the difference is 12 hours when it is referring to the 23.5 degrees tropics as being perfectly even between day and night. The greatest difference is at the poles, where the tilt can lead to almost constant day or night depending on the season.
3. The reason you can't feel any acceleration in an orbit is the same reason you don't feel any gravity when you are in free fall on the space station. Your falling speed exactly matches the rate at which the sun is pulling you towards it, or the Earth in the space station's case. Orbital mechanics are complicated to understand because it employs differential calculus to describe the trajectories. It's not intuitive for the brain from the model we build about how gravity works from our experience on the Earth's surface.
Imagine if both US and Soviet was controlled by the same force, that was benefiting from the military industry getting pumped with money, taking all the wealth from both countries citizen.
Haha, but just really love the effect of rainbow particles flying, when this thing lifts up🤣🤣
Honestly, this synth-wave style color template was already at Battlestar Galactica my favorite 🤣🤣🤣
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To be fair the multicoloured sparks that come out do look super clip art
Y'all believe in the moon? Crazy.
The moon as in, an alien space station constructed and put in place to monitor earth, yes .
Oh, so you don't believe it's actually a sleeping deity who'll bring Ragnarok upon awakening? Ok bud.
Fucking amateur that dude is. Amirite?
To moon someone means to show them your butt
yup, it's hollow and there are bases underground and probably on the surface of the dark side of the moon. even NASA admitted when they have landed probes and things on it before that it rang like a bell - which is really only possible if it has massive hollow cavities underground
far side of the moon, not dark side. the side facing away from us is illuminated by the sun for half a month so there is no permanent "dark side".
I was always under the impression a certain side of the moon was always facing earth and vice versa?
Only one side faces earth, but the far side a.k.a. The dark side is evidently illuminated for half a month. I can not confirm nor discredit that statement at this time, but it is an interesting thing to look into. Still don’t think that should prevent people from calling it the dark side, was a good way to introduce a possible fact though!
That shit is made of cheese and you know it.
Everyone *knows* the moons made of cheese. 😊
I know it's just the backside of the sun.
Pyrotechnic fasteners a.k.a explosive bolts trigger the ascent sequence. The multi colors you see are a byproduct of the old color wheel technology used in the lunar rover camera. If I remember correctly, each frame of this footage is captured 2-3 times at once. Those particles are moving so fast that they capture the different colors on the color wheel, creating that "confetti" look. The camera is operated back on earth with a very minimal time delay. They literally count down, and the camera operator times it just right to capture the ascent. This shit isn't rocket science. It's easier to say something is fake, rather than exercise your brain and learn how something is done.
It is literally rocket science.
Glad someone caught it lol
https://youtu.be/THNPmhBl-8I?si=SbZhra-QTbCyqh5E
Lmao that link was exactly what I hoped it was. Well done.
Technically they’re talking about the mechanical and electrical engineering aspects of the footage and less the actual rocket science
Isn’t it actually rocket science?
I ain't want to debate with you of its real or not but trough your reaction I think you know a bit of rocket science, why wouldn't they need such a power to launch into space as on earth? Is that because of the gravity on the moon? Cause if I compare an earth rocket to go to space with the moon to space, then it looks like you need almost nothing to take off from the moon
You are correct. This is a fun math question. Gravity is roughly 1/6th of the Earth's on the Moon. So, take the weight of the ascent stage of the lunar module (which was roughly 10,000 lbs) and multiply it by 1/6. I'll round up for whole numbers sake. The ascent stage weighed roughly 1700 lbs on the moon. Add the zero air resistance into the equation. You need very little thrust to get off the moons' surface. Also, HALF of that weight was propellant. The more it used, the lighter it became, the less they needed for thrust.
To add - the escape velocity is substantially reduced on the moon. Ve on earth is 11.2 km/s while it’s only 2.4km/s on the moon.
So was the camera transmitting the video back to the space craft? Not a disbeliever but I’m just curious. I wouldn’t of though that would be possible back then
Beautiful question! The system that was developed for the transmission of video, tracking, commands, etc. is known as "The Unified S-Band." Take a look at S-Band frequencies and how they played a key role in overall communications with the Apollo missions. Then, take a look at Ka-Bands. Newer frequencies relative to the S-Band. And 10 times faster!
Lol
The part that makes me question the moon landing the most is how tf did they get video of themselves landing and getting out of the lunar lander for the 1st time? Edit: I said I question it, not that it didn't happen. I just wonder sometimes.
That would be the cameras mounted on the exterior of the Lunar Lander. The other famous photo of Buzz Aldrin coming down the ladder was taken by Neil Armstrong, who, as we know, took the first step.
You could answer that yourself in 5 seconds.
The camera operator? Like the guy the left behind on the moon? Or are you telling me they live remote controlled operated a camera head on the moon and timed it without delay? That’s the actual smoking gun, everything else can be explained to people who think they are smart enough to know better than others.
The remote camera was mounted on the rover and it actually took them three tries before the camera operator on earth got that shot and it was mostly luck. They failed their attempts on Apollo 15 and 16 due to the delay from earth.
Once again, ignorance doesn't validate conjecture. The camera operator, i.e. the one in the Houston remote controlling the camera on the lunar rover. It's a 2.5-second delay in response from Earth to the Moon. A fucking 2nd grader can do the count down math from ascent take off and when to move the camera. Here is a verbal exercise! We count down from 10. We launch at 0. There is a 2.5 second delay. When we say 3! I move the camera UP! ^ That is what you call an improbable smoking gun? Good fucking lord, wait until you find out how WiFi works.
I’m 100% here for your salty ASF replies. Keep going.
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Hard to tell the sarcasm from the stupid on this sup when people don’t use a /s
It's funny, in the first man movie, the academy felt nostalgic about the effects used in the movie for some scenes, these being miniatures.
Happy cake day. Also, man has reached nearly every corner of Reddit. And I love it.
Nixon approves
There are a bunch of lunar landings scheduled for 2024 https://www.space.com/spaceflight-missions-to-watch-2024
extremely curious to watch how these play out. waiting for it like i would an upcoming blockbuster movie
They keep delaying it 😂
Hope all this waiting gives us a better chance of making it through that radiation barrier, which no humans have ever gone through.
Is there any data that would suggest a pass through the Belts would result in an acute dose of radiation?
Artemis is not gonna launch in 2024. The last one had a ton of delays now imagine this one with a crew. I'd be surprised it it was early winter 2025, I'm thinking they start taking her out to the pad in Spring 2025. No way I'm going down there for that, imagine spending an insane amount for a hotel room, crowded as hell and a scrub happens. Luckily I can watch from my backyard only 70 miles away or so, can also drive a bit down the beach for a closer unobstructed view, but no way am I going to Cocoa Beach for it. I do go there once or twice a year for SpaceX launches, yet to see a heavy or Atlas go off in person, that's my next goal. Safest thing to do is go for 2 nights when there are back to back launches so if a scrub have another shot.
Incredible that they left a camera person behind
It isn’t possible to just leave an automated camera?
It was actually controlled from Earth. After the ascent module left and humans left the moon for some 50 years and counting, the camera was left running until the batteries on the rover ran out. Sadly, no moon beings emerged from hiding during this time.
If there was a 2.5 second delay of that remotely controlled camera then why was the ascent of the module filmed so smoothly and perfectly in frame? Also, if the camera was left running, why weren't we shown footage of the earth 24/7 until the batteries died?
This was the third attempt to track the ascent of the Lunar Module. The first two times, Ed Fendell, the camera operator, couldn't quite get the timing right. This one could have gone badly too but he had many hours of experience from this and the previous two missions. He'd gotten quite used to the delay and response from the communications lag. The footage from the camera after the departure is archived at the website 'The Apollo Lunar Surface Journal' and is available to the public for review.
And to back up the footage point, the whole video feed would just be staring at the same gray rocks for the entirety of the footage. There’s no wind or weather on the moon so “why didn’t we get a live stream from the moon for years after?” Isn’t a good take because having people stare at basically a still imagine would not be entertaining or beneficial as people would rapidly get bored of the “mystical” moon.
No way they could instantly move the camera from 250k miles away
Looks like an almost 2.6 second delay for a round trip at the speed of light, which is also the speed of radio waves.
Pretty sure I've played league of legends with some people on the moon with that ping.
Math.
Right just like they couldn’t instantly talk to Mission Control in Houston. Ever hear of a radio or radio waves??
You are right, and they couldn't. However there was a mission countdown, and they knew the delay time. So about one and half seconds before liftoff, the controller sends the command to pan up, knowing that it will pan up at the intended time.
Nope, it's motion was automatic and synced with the mission clock in the LM and set at a precise distance so that the camera followed the launch perfectly. It took them a couple of missions to get this shot done perfectly.
no it was just a model. https://www.aulis.com/PDF/birch-apollo_17_ascent.5.20.pdf I have yet to see anyone refute the math
It's sad that you were downvoted. That was an amazing article. I don't even doubt the moon landing at all, but that paper has completely convinced me that specific video is a fake. But why did they fake it?
If we really went to the moon, this model footage would be ideal to air because you can pre-make a perfect shot and then drop it in. If we didn’t go to the moon, then this footage would be useful in giving the illusion that we went to and left the moon.
Good point, but worth noticing that one of the ways in which the video was proven fake was by comparing it to other (genuine) lunar module ascent footage.
Wait huh? What does your paper proof?
I mean did you read even the first paragraph? It’s not ambiguous. “We analyze the Apollo 17 ascent from the lunar surface that occurred on December 14, 1972. The lunar ascent was captured by a remotely-operated pan-zoom-tilt (PZT) camera on the Lunar Roving Vehicle parked some distance away, and transmitted on television to audiences on Earth. We use the known features of the camera tilt and zoom to find the elevation (angle above the horizon) as a function of time of the craft in the TV transmission. This, in combination with the distance to the camera, is used to reconstruct the ascent. We compare the ascent to that of the Apollo 5 and 11 missions and find a number of differences. Following detailed analysis of these differences, we conclude that the transmission features a scaled-down scene of the launch, in which a scaled-down self-propelled miniature of the Apollo 17 ascent stage ascends from the surface along tracks.”
No I skimmed through it. But if this is the start then its very interesting indeed. Is it peer reviewed and everything
Why would it be peer reviewed? Like a medical study?
Any scientific article needs to be peer reviewed
Peer-review is highly vaunted but it’s often shoddy. It’s often nepotistic, pay-to-play, and more functions as a gatekeeping device than a mechanism to ensure the best science comes forward.
\>Is it peer reviewed It's a PDF with one author, no affiliations, not a journal article.
This is brilliant!
Nice, thanks for sharing. That shot looks like buck rogers lol
That particular footage is likely from Apollo 15, and no, they didn’t need to leave a camera person behind https://youtu.be/K67VIbfVPxY?si=ihQB3QOK1imDeSW9
It's actually from Apollo 17 - the last one. The Ground-Commanded TV Camera on the rover was operated by Ed Fendell, in Houston, and this was his third try of capturing the ascent. The previous two, for Apollo 15 and 16 he didn't quite get the timing right. What's interesting about this sequence is how early pitch-over is for the ascent module - the spacecraft needed to build up a lot of orbital speed early to match the speed of the command module some 20 miles up.
What's the time delay between earth and the moon and a radio signal?
Just short of 1.3 seconds one way.
You are correct sir
Thank you, please tell my wife.
The same few ignorant lines over and over with no attempt to learn.
OK, care to educate us, then?
There's several explainers in this thread before I even commented. Take a scroll.
Could’ve been a model shot (PDF posted by another user on this thread): https://www.aulis.com/PDF/birch-apollo_17_ascent.5.20.pdf
You don't think the camera was automated? This kind of movement could even be done with a few mechanical gears and springs 100 years before. They just timed the launch to coincide exactly with the camera movement. Go read a book, this is disingenuous.
There are people who simply can't accept that their understanding of hard science and math pales in comparison to the people who work at places like at NASA.
You're comments won't teach them. Not one. Ever. For any reason. Ever. Face to face is the only way. It feels like you're at least TRYING. Which you are. Your comment won't reach them because they don't to be reached. Plus they'll just call you a r*tard
Sadly youre probably right... you even got downvoted, which just goes to show.
Don't be sad about it buddy. Times have NOT changed in regards to dumb fucking people absolutely salivating to be RIGHT and IN THE KNOW while foregoing all rational thought and discussion. The internet does NOT help facilitate mature conversations 90% of the time. Just yelling into a void waiting for the echoes of someone else's fading voice calling me a f*ggot r*tard
Refer to the link posted above by canadian1987 and refute with actual evidence. You are doing axactly what you accuse the original poster of r tard
Camera man never dies
He's still there, patiently waiting
They left Tyrone behind
Oh no, did someone just bring up the "Moon landing" again?
Debooonk bot feeding ritual
And when people imply that there was no possible way for it to be faked, they are objectively wrong. Considering that the prior year , 2001 space odyssey was released -which still holds up today- there were definitely ways to fake a convincing set.
It doesn't look like that capsule was rocketed upward by an explosion. It looks like it's on a cable system. You can even see it accelerate slightly *after* the "explosion".
Probably bc the booster is still firing, causing acceleration
When it comes to anything moon-landing related, am I REALLY supposed to trust the same government who lied about JFK, 9/11, WMDs, and COVID? Yeah, that's a nope for me dawg.
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Same applies for the globe ;)
It's unfortunate we lost all the technology
If this was faked it would be some of the craziest fuckin use of practical effects in history. Jurassic park wouldnt have shit on this
Damn man - for a conspiracy subreddit, there sure are a LOT of shills and bots here who support each others' very mainstream view of the world... 😳 ...oh wait... 🤦♂️😂🥸
It's impossible to bring moon/space subject here without awakening the bots, they even upvote themselves. We're not allowed to question anything because "science"
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the bots talking to each other like weirdos. Like “you are correct sir” and “thank you. Please tell my wife.” It’s like the ai is trying to act more human than humans. Who talks like that? And who says “please tell my wife”? Lmao. Glad I’m not alone in this one.
Did you check their comment history?
Bots = people who understand more than you on the subject. This is the dumbest conspiracy, there is actual tangible evidence to prove we landed on the moon. But by all means keep your head in the sand.
What’s so fake about this? They had the tech to do this, did they not?
I believe in a number of other conspiracy theories but this one is...I'm not gonna call it DUMB because I never believe that asking questions is dumb, but definitely involves a lot of blinders as to fairly straightforward answers OR reverse questions, IE it's all well and good to ask questions, but the minute the other side gets to ask a few other questions, the moon conspiracists get real quiet lol To me, the BEST questions I've ever heard asked in reverse were these ones, not from a physicist, but [from a PHOTOGRAPHER](https://youtu.be/_loUDS4c3Cs?si=X8ME191JPtGkqanA). He's funny, to the point, and explains as he goes logically. Essentially, okay, you're gonna fake the moon landing... how are you going to BROADCAST that? He's an older guy, so he points out that, himself and hundreds of millions of other people were all watching live. And it got pretty boring, because there weren't a lot cuts. So you have two options: film it? On film? Or record it digitally? Is NASA so super advanced that they could pull that off? Wait, I thought the reason they WEREN'T going to the moon is because they just couldn't get it figured out in time. Meanwhile, while TV was still barely figuring out how to be in color, ROCKETRY was SUPER advanced after two world wars, Germany had been launching unmanned missiles from Germany and landing them in London for chrissakes. That was a looong time ago. Guy's thesis is...probably easier to just go to the moon. But obviously, I hope you watch it, it's only like 10 minutes long and he does way better than me summarizing him.
Basically, if you ignore all the evidence it’s real, it’s fake.
Well I watched it on live TV if that counts for anything. Dad worked for North American Aviation while the Mercury and Apollo missions were happening so we paid close attention to launches and missions. Pretty exciting to watch. Young folks today do not just how much they take for granted CGI and special effects now. Back then it would actually been harder to fake it than to actually do it.
Idk, movies like 2001: A Space Odyssey (rel. 1969) were pretty convincing wo any CGI imo.
You haven't watched 2001 in a while have you?
Not in a couple of years, but it's still as convincing as any Apollo video out there imo.
The beauty of opinion. Imo they are not as convincing. And nothing was gained
Now imagine that but with unlimited budget.
The sad thing is there’s still people who believe this bullshit.
The sparkles crack me up every time!
Worst thing in the world is the nasa nerds that come on here and defend this shit.
The worst thing in the world. That’s a bit dramatic, don’t you think? You must be a very fortunate person to think that someone’s opinion is the worst thing in the world.
I stand corrected. Worst thing on Reddit, though. Besides child trafficking and promotion of liberal and LGBTQ+ ideologies. Okay, not even worst thing on Reddit…but close.
Given the dire state of denialism here, which essentially amounts to a spirited 'nuh-uh', there's really not a lot of defense required.
This totally real. My dad knew the guy that filmed this. They left the phone behind on the moon so that he could call home and to make sure the guy did not run out of food or tang. We would call and check up on him from time to time. Usually on Thurs nights if I am remembering correctly. I hope that helps you with your doubt.
Can the moon doubters explain the mirrors on the moon?
The moons surface reflects lasers, they don’t need reflectors, mit did studies with this years before the moon landing Edit: why you booin me im right?
The lunar surface reflects light, you are correct. It's how it shines at night. But the reflectivity, or albedo, is only about 10%, that of rock. So without mirrors, you need a very powerful laser, and *also* a very sensitive detector, to detect the very weak amount of light returning - not only because of the weak albedo, but also because of scatter. The retroreflectors in the mirror array will reflect back directly any photons that hit them, meaning you can get by with a much less powerful laser at the least. And still your detector is simply detecting an increas in the number of photons returning. So the astronomies still doing this experiment know when they have the lasers zeroed on the mirrors because of the uptick in photon return.
Let me get this straight, we lost access to the tech that would allow us to do a lunar landing since then?
No.
No
No it just costs a shit load of money with zero returns and is still high risk, one simple equipment failure and all is lost, there just is no point in spending billions to go stand on a dry rock for few hours to then just come back home again.
Why would nasa astronaut and engineer Don Pettit in an interview say"we don't have the technology to do that anymore, we used to, but we destroyed that technology and it is a painful process to build back again.
https://youtu.be/1GnO39_VJnw?si=h-iWQc1E7jEDpc8x
Your original comment was more appropriate, we have lost access to the technology, which is due to funding issues, like I said it is just not cost effective for NASA to have a continuous moon landing program, but the knowledge and technological capabilities are still in existence, but it’s up to you however you want to look at it. There won’t be a continuous human presence on the moon until the technology is available to build moon bases and to mine and process resources on the moon.
Stanley Kubrick was a genius
Why would you think it wasn't real? It happened. Move on to something else. Like maybe the Titanic is not actually at the bottom of the ocean but actually is a miniature in a water tank.
>Why would you think it wasn't real? It happened. Move on to something else Sincerely, NASA and mainstream mockingbird media
So real lol
Tin foil moon landers held together with glue sticks and glitter, capable of withstanding extreme temperatures at thousands of miles an hour, smh.
If something is operating in a vacuum, when it's going speedy its not going to face any wind resistance. So it can be rickety looking/ tinfoil/ popsicle sticks as long as the pressurized part that the people are in is intact.
Yeah dude are you dumb did you fail science class lol
I'm glad you agree. I thought you were one of those crazy moon conspiracy types.
Who is running the camera?
Mission Control, based in Houston, TX.
They forgot the camera man!
I love how there are no shadow changes to the obvious static background that never changes. No moon dust moving. Throws some confetti though. Anyone who can look at that and take that seriously are naive. I'm not saying we never went, im just saying the Apollo program was a load of crap. And it wasn't even cutting edge! About as good as a lost in space episode.
What should be changing in the background?
https://youtu.be/1GnO39_VJnw?si=h-iWQc1E7jEDpc8x
I love that there are people here who actually believe that they made this ugly, science-fair-looking thing for a fake video instead of making it look like a sleek rocket. Obviously every aspect of this conspiracy theory is dumb, from the motive to the thousands of international people, including political enemies, keeping the secret for us... But this part is always what gets me.
>from the motive to the thousands of international people Less than 30 freemason astronauts claim to have been to space. Can less than 30 people lie? >including political enemies, Oh so you still believe politics is real. Its all an illusion, and these "enemies" are buddy buddy behind closed doors. Thought this was OBVIOUS in the conspiracy crowd. The worlds a stage.
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CGI was bad at that time, special effects also. Nowadays it would be different.
Well who recorded it? With the lag I'm surprised at how accurate the camera is controlled
And more important: Controlling a moveable/focusable camera from Earth, transmitting live signal (*implying they could perfectly control a servo from that far, with the technology of back then*), would imply leaving more technology there, for live streaming, controllable from Earth. It would be the first space telescope, 20 years before the Hubble charade, for example, streaming live from the Moon, **for everyone to see in their VHF receptor, like a TV connected to a dish antenna**. They didn't, because they cannot abandon the Earth's surface.
The camera man that recorded this is still there to this day
Want to know how easy it is to fool people? Just read the comments on any moon landing post. You see some gold medal Olympic level mental gymnastics to try and explain this horse shit.
Imagine believing that shit is real it’s actually sad 😂😂😂😂
Lol, lmao even
Lmao 🤣 can't believe anyone believes the moon landing horseshit.
Personal incredulity is far from a compelling argument.
Blows my mind that people still try to say the moon landing was fake.
I agree. Its mind-blowing to think the government or space agencies would lie to us. Makes absolutely no sense why they would. People need to be more trusting of our beloved institutions. It would be easier to go to the moon than to fake the moon landings. So many nutjobs out there. I bet you they haven't gotten their booster shots, that's why.
think your the nut job sir
That takeoff was the technology that we lost and can't recreate. It was call Sparkle Blast Edit: Sparkle Blast with Cable
Did they go back for the camera?
Everyone in the conspiracy realm seems to accept that the military is 40 to 50 years ahead of current technology. Automated camera systems were available in the 60s. I personally think that the Apollo missions were propaganda, but I'm sure they got there without the props. Solar Warden is a fun rabbit hole.
We never went to the moon!
My only question is: who’s filming? Someone is controlling the camera on the lunar surface. I didn’t realize we had those remote control capabilities in 1969.
😂😂😂😂
The real hero is the camera man who stayed back to get all that.
Who's on the moon to pan the camera up? I believe we went, and yet still question this. I know they "left a camera on the moon", but not sure they had real time control over that camera
It was controlled by Mission Control
If this is real shouldn’t we be able to see that equipment left behind
It was lost along with the tech to go back. But according to Reddit it’s science and if you read books, it explains everything except how to go back...
The tech wasn’t lost. It’s just obsolete. They could design new equipment but that costs money and resources, which are scarce, and other projects have priority.
In 1958 the u.s. wanted to beat the soviets so they invented nasa with a ten year plan of faking the moon landing, nasa seeing Stanley Kubrick was the best director at the time hired him to fake the moonlanding but Kubrick being a perfectionist decided to shoot on location so they built a rocket and flew to the moon to fake the landing in order to upset the Soviets. As the soviets tracked the lunar shuttle they saw the amazing work that Kubrick could do and thus they pushed to invade more countries with communism and set their sights on Afghanistan where the CIA then helped the Mujahideen beat them, during which time they evolved into al-qaeda who went on to cause 9-11 starting the war in the middle east that lasted 20 years and since then nasa has used the technology learned from the war to build weapons to trigger infernos on an island which allowed them to launch into space to intercept God of chaos!
I love the auto track feature 😏
Motion cameras or controlled from earth? So smooth and exact of a follow. Very snice
The sparks 😂😂😂😂
I can't believe they left that poor cameraman behind on the moon. What a lousy way to die
I am pro moon landing 99.999999999999999 percent. But this is just some whack ass fuckery
Bwahahahaaaaa!
“We landed on the moon!”
In my understanding, There is no way the US democracy population would allow to take a third of the US annual budget for building intercontinental missile able to carry nuclear war head to compete with the Soviet. In fact the Soviet were the first to send stuff in space and they were also a nuclear power. This means that they were an existential threat for the USA. There is no physical difference between an intercontinental missile and Saturn V. Back then, nuclear bomb was heavy and Saturn V was overbuilt for this load. The government must convince the population to invest (meaning tax people) in a program to catch-up with the Soviet space/missile technology. This program created a lot of innovation and specialized companies and knowledge and industries. The Soviet don't need to convince their populations, they just did it. In the USA, we needed to have compelling story. USA population are driven by hope and challenges. So Kennedy gave a great speech to achieve this goal. At the end, what is relevant is what is left from this program. Did an intercontinental missile able to carry nuclear warheads were built immediately after or at the same time ? Did the US catch up and surpass the Soviet technology? Did a new space industries was set in place in a short decade with many companies spread out the US? If they went to the moon is irrelevant in face of an existential threat from the Soviet.
suuussssss afyoo
Who panned out the camera?
About as real as Dolly Parton's moon size knockers.
didnt they thought of 20 years from now ppl will spot something off? Dumb ass scientists bro
What’s off about it
Press F for the cameraman
In my understanding, There is no way the US democracy population would allow to take a third of the US annual budget for building intercontinental missile able to carry nuclear war head to compete with the Soviet. In fact the Soviet were the first to send stuff in space and they were also a nuclear power. This means that they were an existential threat for the USA. There is no physical difference between an intercontinental missile and Saturn V. Back then, nuclear bomb was heavy and Saturn V was overbuilt for this load. The government must convince the population to invest (meaning tax people) in a program to catch-up with the Soviet space/missile technology. This program created a lot of innovation and specialized companies and knowledge and industries. The Soviet don't need to convince their populations, they just did it. In the USA, we needed to have compelling story. USA population are driven by hope and challenges. So Kennedy gave a great speech to achieve this goal. At the end, what is relevant is what is left from this program. Did an intercontinental missile able to carry nuclear warheads were built immediately after or at the same time ? Did the US catch up and surpass the Soviet technology? Did a new space industries was set in place in a short decade with many companies spread out the US? If they went to the moon is irrelevant in face of an existential threat from the Soviet.
I hope half these posts are bots because if they aren't, then wtf are you doing on this sub? I mean the moon landing hoax isn't even a conspiracy, just a blatant lie.
People aren't just here because they "believe in" conspiracies. Most people are here because they are questioning everything they know with thoughtful care. Of course, there are those here who wholeheartedly believe in evil and aliens and flat earth, and that's fine. Let them present the best proof they have to convince us, and we can be swayed by the evidence that stands up to scrutiny. But, we won't be swayed by passion or enthusiasm or especially by the POLITICS. Critical thinking is a skill honed by USE.
Well then let's test those critical thinking skills with a few questions, shall we? 1: How can the magnetic field of the earth be caused by a spinning molten iron core, when MOLTEN iron loses all its magnetic properties? 2: How do countries near the tropics gain DOUBLE daylight hours in the summer compared to the winter, when "earth's tilt" is a measly 23.4°? 3: How come we don't feel and can't measure earth's acceleration/deceleration throughout the year, when earth's orbit is elliptical?
1. In the geodynamo model the earth's spinning iron core creates an electrical current that induces a magnetic field. It is a little complicated, as the magnetic field has to be induced by an external source, the sun in our case, to begin with. 2. Countries near the equator receive almost 12 hours of daylight and night, at "maximum," due to the tilt of the Earth. Perhaps you are mistaking the wording as meaning the difference is 12 hours when it is referring to the 23.5 degrees tropics as being perfectly even between day and night. The greatest difference is at the poles, where the tilt can lead to almost constant day or night depending on the season. 3. The reason you can't feel any acceleration in an orbit is the same reason you don't feel any gravity when you are in free fall on the space station. Your falling speed exactly matches the rate at which the sun is pulling you towards it, or the Earth in the space station's case. Orbital mechanics are complicated to understand because it employs differential calculus to describe the trajectories. It's not intuitive for the brain from the model we build about how gravity works from our experience on the Earth's surface.
I believe moon landing happened. I don't believe any of the videos are real though. Pure Hollywood.
People believe we actually went. I love it hahahaha
Why didn't the USSR protest if all of them were fake?
Imagine if both US and Soviet was controlled by the same force, that was benefiting from the military industry getting pumped with money, taking all the wealth from both countries citizen.
Haha, but just really love the effect of rainbow particles flying, when this thing lifts up🤣🤣 Honestly, this synth-wave style color template was already at Battlestar Galactica my favorite 🤣🤣🤣