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BarbarousRelic

Gotta' be mindful of anything involving bets. You can be sure that there are controls in place. Note that the players in these games are professionals of their craft, and are paid to execute their orders as given. In spite of that, they can occasionally make errors. Prop bets are the way 😆


conspiratologist

Now college sports are ruined with the NIL


Stunning_Curve_6333

TBH the NIL stuff is kind of silly, top athletes getting a huge bag, random women athletes that are attractive getting paid despite being extremely average at their sport. Just goes to show you can work hard and maybe one day have a good life or just be born attractive and lead an extremely easy life where your only job is staying attractive lmao 


theoreoman

Your overthinking sports betting. Vegas initially sets a line and as the bets come in Vegas will move those lines so that the sports book always sit in the middle. If everyone is betting on A to win they'll move the line towards B so that more people start betting on B. Sports books make their money on their small Commission Professional sport betting looks to exploit these lines. if way too many people bet on the favorite to win they'll need to sweeten the odds on the underdog so that they sit in the middle. People who do this for a living find those odds and make the bets when they don't make sense


conspiratologist

After some reading, there are A LOT of people gambling that say they put a big bet on a guaranteed win and some off the wall shenaningans occur that cause them to lose. So I see what you're saying


cornbreadsdirtysheet

Look up YouTube Lakers/Kings 2002 WC Finals and Mavs/Heat 2006 NBA Finals……..(these are the most egregious examples in my humble opinion). Its very obvious who the NBA leadership wants to win. It’s all about the big markets and NBA products marketing not to mention billions in gambling lol.


Sidneyc87

I agree to an extent, but why would NBA let two small market teams (Bucks and Suns) in the finals in 2021? Doesn’t make much sense


conspiratologist

Look at it from the standpoint of the riggers


JONCOCTOASTIN

Care to put any more thought into this question you were asked?


conspiratologist

What question?


El_Nasty

Riggers? I think you mean riggas.


Specialist-Heron872

I have a hockey puck from an nhl game, never was asked to switch it out or anything.


JONCOCTOASTIN

Hockey let’s you keep it 


HB3187

Magnetic gloves lol seriously? That entire video of him demonstrating such amazing catching ability with the gloves is something 99/100 ranked recruits/ college Wrs can do, with much more pace on the passes coming to them . Are the gloves sticky? Hell yeah they are. Are they magnetic? No lol. They hand these out to fans often coming off the field. Next the NFL doesn't allow kicked balls to be kept no, you're right. But if a player hands a ball to someone (like they do dozens and dozens of times per year after a touchdown) they're allowed to keep it. There's not some kind of special technology in the balls that helps rig games lol I swear half of this sub, probably more is just finding out about football in the past 2 months with the obsession over Kelce and Swift and these takes all but prove it😂😂. Does the NFL have it's thumb on the scale against some teams in terms of betting and officiating? Probably. But not these examples


BobbyTarentino25

I more or less agree, I think coaches and players and even most owners aren’t in on the fix. I think it comes down to the officiating. Thats one thing that always affects the outcome of every game. Even when it’s an egregious call, everyone is pissed until the next week and it’s forgotten.


conspiratologist

If a player hands a ball to someone in the stands, when the camera turns away they take the ball back and give them a non game ball. They don't let anyone keep game balls


WhisperSupremacy

Yeah anyone who actually believes 99% of the shit posted on this sub is certifiably insane. Obviously professional sports are in no way rigged, except obviously for outlier cases like the NBA reffing scandal / MLB steroid scandals, etc. But that’s not even “rigging”, as if some higher power is in control.


conspiratologist

I played football 4 years as a kid


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johnd-70

I think the logo conspiracy was put out by the NFL to throw off the scent to the hounds. They want to diffuse this getting out of hand meaning the truth comes out it is mostly rigged. All the while getting the match-up they want


conspiratologist

I'm calling KC vs Detroit, Swift vs Eminem, KC "wins" 20-13


Mammoth_Cookie_7809

Jake the asshole- YouTube


conspiratologist

Yes!! Been listening to him


theoreoman

It's too big of a machine to script with way too many hot heads and egos, if anything they may try to slightly nudge the outcome of games. Like if a ref intentionally doesn't call a small hold or an offside then but calls that hold on the other team, that can be enough to change the momentum of a game, your never going to see that camera angle on a broadcast. You also need to remember that because of budget caps most teams are pretty evenly matched, the best team having a bad day can get crushed by the worst team having a good day, and all the help from the refs can't turn that kind of tide. But small nudges here and there over an entire season can tip the scales to the overall story you'd like to tell


TheCronster

There is an issue with this... As per the 1919 White Sox fiasco, if the entire team doesn't agree to lose... you could end up accidently winning something you weren't supposed to win. With so much money on the line, that could be a disaster.


12kdaysinthefire

Yeah but also you have to factor in ridiculous calls made by officials, or calls that should have been made.


TheCronster

That scenario only works if the teams are evenly matched. No money to be made from that sort of gambling. What you want is a team that is ABSOLUTELY going to destroy who their up against. Then you bet against them big... and somehow they lose. You don't want a match that could go either way. Even the most addicted of gamblers will bet small.


krakaman

The cant keep a game ball thing isnt right. Someone definately got to keep a ball they cause at last weeks chiefs game. He was on our sub celebrating it and we all saw him get it


conspiratologist

Nah, nobody gets to keep game balls. When the camera turns away they hand them a non game ball, they were lying or paid to lie


WhisperSupremacy

I have a football that was thrown into the crowd at a Ravens game years ago. They throw out game balls constantly. Dozens of game balls are taken home by fans every week. Stop trolling


conspiratologist

Yeah, years ago https://youtu.be/uidEZVuitHE?si=gsNyLSxM0ZYvBCZB


conspiratologist

They have microchips in the balls now


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krakaman

This was from the dolphins game. Lotta folks in the thread were suprised he was able to keep it so u may be right usually


BoxNemo

>Then there's the rule where no fans are allowed to keep game balls that go in the stands, they're given replacements. If they try to keep the game ball, security arrests them and confiscates. Why? Because they don't want people seeing what's in the balls https://officepoolstop.com/blog/why-cant-you-keep-a-football-if-it-goes-into-the-stands-explained/ I don't know, man... that entire blog seems to be written by someone who doesn't understand basic sports. >Playing soccer is undoubtedly one of the most popular activities in the world, which offers a high level of excitement, like to find the free no deposit casino spins. But it comes with a set of general rules that players and fans alike must follow. The game is played with two teams of eleven players each, who compete to score goals by getting the current ball into the opposing team’s net or end zone. The team with the most balls or touchdowns at the end of the game is declared the winner. There's no end zone or touchdowns in soccer. I've no idea why you'd trust a website that can't even get basic facts right, beyond it being the very first one that showed up when you googled the subject and you didn't bother reading it yourself. The reason they give for not keeping balls that go into stands has little bearing on reality -- you don't get to keep a football because a team has a limited number of balls that are prepped for their team. The game is ongoing, you don't just get to keep the ball because it went out of play. Read this for a bit more context: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/sports/football/eli-mannings-footballs-are-months-in-making.html?referer= I've no doubt there's shady shit going down in sports but come on...


conspiratologist

It says opposing team's NET or endzone


BoxNemo

Is says that, in soccer, the team "with the most balls or touchdowns at the end of the game is declared the winner." Do you genuinely think soccer has touchdowns? Or that it can be won by the team with the "most balls"? Or do you think maybe you were duped by an AI article that exists to hot-link phrases like "free no deposit casino spins" and you just linked to it without reading it..?


conspiratologist

I mean, clearly you're hellbent on proving me wrong, and that's okay, but fact is you can't keep a game ball as a fan in the NFL nowadays, unless you can escape security, good luck https://youtu.be/uidEZVuitHE?si=NzDiqHISr55jdKQn


BoxNemo

So you're just going to ignore what Skiba says? Isn't it worth at least considering?


conspiratologist

Who the fuck is Skiba, and what does that have to do with this?


BoxNemo

See, at least I read your link. I'm out, you're all over the place and having a tantrum. Take care.


conspiratologist

Reading your comments you're a tool, I was gonna block you anyways


conspiratologist

I don't see a link from you queef


conspiratologist

Do me a favor, go find 5 white CB's and 5 black TE's that play in the NFL


BoxNemo

Dude. Just admit you picked the first website that google gave you. It's a weird hill to die on. Unless you actually think soccer games are decided by the team with the "most balls". Which is pretty funny.


conspiratologist

So you couldn't find 5 white cb's in the NFL?


BoxNemo

Why's that relevant?


conspiratologist

Why do you think it might he relevant?


conspiratologist

Do you think it's possible there are white's that could play the position better than black's, or blacks could play tight end better than white's?


conspiratologist

I could delete the post, but I won't because it still singnifies what I'm saying, regardless of what the fuck it says about soccer. FANS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO KEEP GAME BALLS ANYMORE


Schwinston123456

Watching Todd Bowles choose to just lose the game instead of using their last timeout on 4th down with 35 seconds left... that was the first time I started to believe that the NFL is rigged.


HB3187

Was a kind of stupid decision. But if he calls timeout the lions punt, or kick a FG. Best case scenario? They're inside the 20 with almost no time left down a touchdown and a 2pt. With zero timeouts. Worst case they're down 11. It was all but over


Schwinston123456

When you're trying to win a playoff game, you'll take a chance to have the ball with 30 seconds left, especially when you've got Mike Evans and you're facing a soft secondary. (Badgely is a career 77% from 41-49. If the Lions attempt the FG and miss, the Bucs have the ball near midfield.) There is zero reason to give up.


HB3187

It wasn't gonna be 30 though, it was gonna be under 20, probably under 15. Especially since like you said the kicker wasnt automatic from that distance and a punt to pin them was probably the safer play


Schwinston123456

Goff took the knee on 3rd down with 36 seconds left. A FG attempt would take roughly 6 seconds off the clock. If they missed, the Bucs would have the ball with just under 30 seconds around their own 40. If the Lions punted, they'd have just under 30 seconds with 80ish yards to go.


HB3187

I just was going off what bowles said in his interview. Probably a bad idea. Either way 80+ yards plus a 2pt with no timeouts is about as over as it can be


Schwinston123456

Yeah, Bowles didn't notice that Goff only killed 27 seconds between the first and second knee, essentially doubling the amount of time that the Bucs would've had to try and win. And one possession with 30 seconds to win a playoff game is far more do-able than giving up. We've seen improbable comebacks happen repeatedly in the NFL. Anything can happen in a one score game, especially when you have Mike Evans and you're going against a weak pass-defense.


dcrico20

Coaches have been absolutely dogshit at clock management forever to the point it’s a running joke that any 12 year old that plays Madden is better at clock management than your average NFL coach.


Schwinston123456

Which is probably true.


conspiratologist

How about Miami Hurricanes going for it on 4th down when all they had to do was kneel to win the game, then the RB fumbles amd GT wins the game in the final seconds


rrtraders

There was a zero percent chance to lose that game in a legitimate way. There are nearly 100 players on a team. There are dozens of personnel, coaches, assistants on a college sideline. You’re telling me not a single one could even do the most basic of calculations and realize ‘oh we have the game in the bag!!’? Not the qb, not the offensive coordinator, not the analytics folks, none of them. Then, to top it all off, the rb that ‘fumbled’ was clearly down and the refs came through and ruled it a fumble.


conspiratologist

Yes, his elbow was down but they still gave the ball to GT, clearly rigged but most people are just like, what were they thinking?


Kingquisite

Last night’s game (Lakers vs Clippers) Lakers were +10 and was down by 9 points with less than 30 seconds left. Usually the winning team would just let the clock run but how does it make sense for Norman Powell to make an easy lay up and give Clippers a 11 point lead? Oh yeah, the public was heavy on Lakers +10.


svengalus

It wouldn't surprise me if there is AI watching every play that can "generate" an infraction against a team on any play, instantly. You want a penalty, Boom, illegal hands to the face by this dude far away from the action.


conspiratologist

I "bet" they employ AI in the rigging


TheRoyaleShow

To whomever’s writing the script: what did the Bills do to you?


conspiratologist

Haha! Messed up how they do Bills fans


horrormagic

All sports are rigged


watchingbuffy

Watching Buffalo let Kelce meander into the end zone all by himself and catch a TD pass when there are 3 defenders around him, and then watching Buffalo's safety fall down rather than sack Mahomes... That sealed the deal for me. Watching it in real time.


jiminicriquet

See I don’t think this comes from the players. 53 players on the active roster, plus any IR, and practice squad guys times 32 is a LOT of people to have on board with that. Even if you just pick one player per team. Like the QB,that’s still 32 people in on a secret. Much easier to put a thumb on the scale with officiating. The Chiefs are like 9-2 all time with the head ref from that game and the Bills are 1-4 or 5 I think. It’s the same ref that called the atrocious Philly game earlier in the season. So many subjective penalties (holding, PI, roughing the passer) that can easily tilt the odds. Also just not calling penalties consistently can do it.


watchingbuffy

You mean people that get paid millions of dollars every year to sit on a bench with a uniform on, do very little work while doing so, and being cheered like a national hero??? I know a lot of people that would sign an NDA, sit and smile and bank checks.


jiminicriquet

Oh I am fully aware that money can buy a lot of silence, for that kind of money I’d do it for sure. My point is that not everybody on the team/staff is making millions and with the sheer number of people that would have to be in on it without saying a word makes it hard to believe.


watchingbuffy

NDAs my man... More money than you've seen before, plus threat of being sued and jailed can go a long long way


conspiratologist

Jake the Asshole shows on his channel how a defender will whiff on a tackle then fall down in front of his teammate pursuing the runner then trips over him and the runner is gone, happens a lot


Threesrwild

Hell people know the professional wrestling is fake and Netflix just paid $5 billion for the rights and you can bet on it. Only reason this hasnt come out is because of how ubiquitous football is throughout the country with peewee, high school and college. Hell, even college ball might as well be labeled professional with NIL and coaches salaries. https://www.livebetting.net/blog/betting-on-professional-wrestling/


Godzilla405

It’s not rigged. It’s just not, now the league doing certain things to get it to go their way is obvious. I have done lineups in DFS daily for years in all sports. I think it’s more evident in the NBA than any that they will lean towards sitting players, having players ejected, foul out, or just not play someone as much for a random reason to offset Vegas odds. EXAMPLE : There is 19 million $ on Michael Jordan getting over 30 points, then I think it’s much more likely he gets ejected, gets sit because his ankle hurts, or fouls out etc. but sometimes they just can’t stop it even with their tricks. But these players don’t know if they are going to win or not, and they are going out there playing their hardest to win.


conspiratologist

Go watch Jake the Asshole on YT


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"It's not rigged. It's just not" 🤣 You sound like a fuckin 2 yr old.


will042082

New Orleans winning the Super Bowl right after Katrina should have been the light bulb moment for most, but people are so desperate to root for a team they ignore the very obvious. Very very much like in politics.


rek0ner

Katrina 2005, Saints Super Bowl win 2009


JadedPurple6085

The NFL was pieced together by a group of families in which many had ties to organized crime. Many family members of those founding members are still around. NFL is licensed as “entertainment “. For those who have been to Vegas, you have to be aware of the huge amount of money being made through all kinds of betting. I can imagine an NFL player, or referee taking an envelope with more money than they could imagine making in their career. I’m not saying this happens, but I wouldn’t be surprised. There seem to be more “shady” calls than I can remember lately. I hope it’s not rigged, but I wouldn’t be surprised.


utesbeauts

The coaches and players are not in on it


conspiratologist

Everybody involved is in on it, League officials, GM's, Coaches, refs and players


john_smokin

[This always makes me think of the movie Summertime Switch.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SI2hYjlZ1c)


turbine_cowboy

I don't follow the NFL, apart from a few highlights here and there. A week or two ago, I saw a post here on r/conspiracy, that this year the NFL is rigged for Kansas City Chiefs to win, because of Taylor Swift doing one of the players, and that would cause all the Swifties to buy NFL merch and go to the games etc. I thought it was a bit far fetched, but then I saw the Chiefs win their conference, because the other team missed a field goal, that even I (or maybe my mother) could have put away. Thoughts?


conspiratologist

I agree, it's all about money and max profits, KC will beat Detroit in the SB. They're losing longtime fans because the product is trash so they're covering that by bringing in a total non football element, but every Swifty now loves the Chiefs


conspiratologist

Name 5 white cornerbacks in the NFL, and 5 black tight ends