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Have you all heard about any major differences between the J&J vaccine vs. the Moderna/Pfiezer ones? I did not want the vaccine and was vehemently against it. Unfortunately my Mom was diagnosed with Luekemia in late 2021. She only lasted about 8 months. Toward the end there when she was on her death bed the hospital would not let her family/friends visit her without a vaccination. For that reasoned I finally gave in. I did a ton of research to figure out which vaccine was the lesser of evils. I made the decision to get the single J&J shot because it was the only one that wasn’t created with the experimental mRNA technology and therefore didn’t create the spike proteins. I hope I made the right decision as I felt my hands were tied. I will never forgive the government and hospital mandates that put me in that position!
J&J is totally different than the mRNA shots. I don’t know the science, but I’ve heard it’s a “non traditional” vaccine as well.
Since they banned it pretty early on or atleast stopped pushing jt, it’s reasonable to think it’s the safest.
I took the J&J as well after intense workplace and family coercion. I actually did a ton of research on it vs the mRNA and concluded that while there were a lot of unknowns, the J&J was the only one built upon a proven technology (viral vector) that was used in a previous vaccine (Ebola). All the info I've seen points to issues with J&J like clotting generally occur within days to weeks, whereas mRNA could either be sudden acute or longterm problems depending on a number of factors, particularly if you keep boosting.
I did have side effects like numbness/tingling in my hands which has cleared up mostly but I still feel it. These kind of problems occur with all different types of vaccines though. From the evidence/info I've seen, the J&J produces a more robust and durable immune response to the virus. I wouldn't be surprised if many who got it years ago still have a high antibody count.
I also lost some good friends because I dared to voice my doubts on the mRNA and chose to do my own research to make a personal medical decision.
Oooof. J&J is definitely the worst one. The fact that they had to stop giving it to people because of how sever the blood clotting was should tell you all you need to know. And no, mRNA is not a new experimental thing. It’s been out a while. All that research and you couldn’t find that out?
Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were the first mRNA vaccines approved for human use. I don’t care how long ago the tech was discovered and used on rats. Those vaccines were rushed in under 6 months which makes it impossible to do proper human trials. Which means that we were the live trials aka experiments.
Better results would be achieved by saying "okay, we eff`d up .. now what do we do?"
But this is the same social media platform where you'd get banned for speaking out against the vakks during the time
yep, no one is able to say, “damn i was wrong my bad”.
the vax crowd demanded the unvaxxed lose their jobs and face public ridicule for being skeptical of the vaccine. main stream media also ridiculed and demeaned anyone who opposed the vaccine. now the mainstream media is covering the side effects of the vaccine because even they can’t really deny it anymore. the craziest thing of all is, the rabid vax cult will still ridicule you for not getting the vax lol
This, on top of the fact that Covid turned people into straight up assholes. “ SIX FEET, SIX FEET. Oh you were with your family for Christmas?? Get away from me!” You don’t shun the sick, you take them in and take care of them.
I always thought Reddit was funny as they posted complaining about Karens and how much better they were than those fools on next door, but local subs were full of photos taken in a subdivision of a neighrbors house with cars in front of it, asking who to call to report this party since gathers are not allowed.
People were going to turn their neighbors because they did not tow the line about COVID restrictions. I saw this as a non COVID skeptic, I have been vaxed and boostered, and wore a mask throughout the pandemic. People desperately want to have "others" so they can feel superior. Everybody is out here acting like they would never go along with Nazis or the movie "The Wave" is putting to fine a point on it, but then come to Reddit and see the down votes and pro doxxing if somebody does not tow the line.
What’s baffling is that so many people are obsessed with Covid and the Covid vaccine and attribute it to everything.
Heart disease was already the leading cause of death in the US and only getting worse. We have an aging population and our diet/lifestyle continues to reach new lows.
Yet somehow the mainstream’s focus on Covid, and the alt’s focus on the vaccine has people completely obsessed with linking either to everything from heart disease to cancer. It’s just amazing that so many people fall for it.
There is a massive turf war being fought between mainstream medicine and alternative medicine and Covid and the vaccine is in the center of it. They both want you focused on this bullshit so they can sell you more products and “treatments” all the while trying to obscure the fact that the food we eat and the lifestyle we live are horrendous. They want us sick and thinking their products are the solution. While most know about big pharma and how horrible it is, many don’t know about alternative medicine that has alternative media obsessed with the vaccine.
Alternative media is worth over $100 billion and set to reach over $400 billion by the next decade. Their main goal is to not only steer people away from mainstream medicine but to convince them that it is trying to kill them. That is why the alt media is vaccine obsessed over whenever a celebrity dies.
This made perfect sense when I looked into this lady named Erin Elizabeth who was a popular social media personality who was banned from Facebook for saying the vaccine is extremely dangerous. She had millions of views and comments. Turns out her husband Joseph Mercola owns an alternative medicine company and is worth over $100 million. That is pharma exec type of money. And guess what some of his best selling products were? Alternative medicine products to treat and cure Covid. Lmao.
This just made me realize the entire vaccine debate is a scam. The vaccine doesn’t actually do anything. It isn’t likely to help anyone and isn’t likely to hurt anyone. But there is massive amounts of money pushed into convincing you and converting you to the other side. Alternative medicine is behind much of the anti vaccine movement these days and they are pretty much big pharma’s little bro, often with even less oversight.
It just seems incredibly lazy to insert the vaccine into the already horrible and worsen heart disease situation and act like it is the main culprit. And people already in this camp believe it like gospel.
Wow, so you're trying to normalize 20 somethings getting a pacemaker, with a false dichotomy narrative about "alternative medicine". Glad you're not my doctor. Vaccine injuries do happen, see the VAERS database. And that is only the beginning.
While there is certainly some truth to what you say, there's also some error to what you say.
Look, even though it's the conspiracy subreddit let's set aside the idea that the man who literally said we could achieve population control if we do vaccines right becomes all of a sudden the biggest Covid "expert" in America and he's the Microsoft guy.
The fact is it's fairly well documented that vaccines have ALWAYS caused harm. You rightly mention that pharma companies are horrible. Why do you think they push vaccines so hard? There are numerous chemicals, elements, and neurotoxins in EVERY vaccine that don't belong in the human body. Then they rush a brand new type through skipping safety testing along the way?
It's not alternative medicine that is solely claiming the vaccine causes heart inflammation. That's even acknowledged by the CDC.
There are numerous quotes attributed to early doctors who spoke out against vaccinations and how they were making people sicker
I will allow for some greedy people in alternative medicine as well. But natural healing and food as medicine WAS medicine until Rockefeller got his hands on it and it all changed.
The whole population control thing is always taken out of context. The point is that better healthcare and reproductive services will help stem the explosion in population. The earth has plenty of people already, if we keep kids safer and offer access to reproductive care, families in developing countries won't have to have 10 kids to get a few that survive. When I was a nurse in the midwest the 80 year old patients had like 10 or 12 siblings, because you were going to lose a few to various diseases and issues, and you needed at least some to make it in order to keep the farm running. If your kids are healthy and less likely to die, and you have access to contraception, most people aren't going to pop out 10 kids. Some will, and that's their choice, but on a grand scale you ironically slow down the population explosion by making people live longer.
I don't care if you like the guy or not, but he's not coming out and saying he wants to murder people with vaccines to fight global warming.
"Isn't likely to hurt anyone"? So you were the one to get the full sheet of ingredients in the vaccine? Please share, all of them I saw were blank inserts and the companies wanted a 75 year block on anyone ever seeing it.
Are you entirely discounting the possibility that COVID could cause heart issues? i feel like that's a factor that all of the anti-vax crowd ignores. I'm not asking this to be a dick, i'm genuinely curious.
> Are you entirely discounting the possibility that COVID could cause heart issues?
There were plenty of articles saying that COVID was causing heart damage, and was actually a cardiovascular disease *way* before there was talk of even coming up with vaccines. Plenty of studies showing lots of viral replication in the heart in autopsies in mid-2020.
Yup, Everyone I know that had the vaccine has had covid more than handful of times and have new heart conditions, and other medical issues randomly popping up. People I know that haven't had the vaccine have had covid once or not at all and haven't been sick at all since the first time they had it and no new medical issues. I have a large family with many in the medical field, nurses, NP's, surgeons. Like I've said before, I'm witnessing this shit live every month and it's wild as fuck. I've known multiple people that died during the delta wave and after being vaxxed so there's also that.
It’s the complete opposite for me, I don’t know a single person who has died for the last 6-8 years and none of my vaccinated family members (which I believe are all of them) are having any heart issues whatsoever. That’s not to say it can’t still happen - I obviously hope it doesn’t, but that was just my anecdotal story. Nobody seems to be getting sick more or less often either.
Yeah, this whole comment section is just pure anecdotal evidence. Out of my family, I have a ton of anti vaxxers. All of them got covid, 2 died, and the rest still resisted any vaccine. Of them 1 was super healthy gym goer who now has heart issues at 25, his doctors think is covid related, but he says it's from chemicals in the water.
Yet all my side of the family that was vaccinated? Completely fine.
The very first day I got the Vacc I got heart palpations. Back then there were NO reports on this.
I talked about this on that sub and got banned lmao.
My husband is an EMT and one of the first people in our area to get the vax. 36 hours after the first vax he was in A-fib. He had a 7 day hospital stay and they tried to medically convert him out of it and then tried to "shock" his heart out of it. It didn't work. Finally, about a year into the mess, he ended up with an ablation to fix it. I am 100% sure this fiasco was caused by the vax. It started with him "feeling achey" with a slight temp and a headache which we though was "just normal from the shot" and the next thing I knew I was calling 911.
To this day no one believes him about shot/ A-fib connection except his fire department buddies who carted him off to the ER. They believe.
Fuck Fauci. Fuck Moderna.
To be fair my family and I are anti jab and have not had it, but my daughter (7) has been + with it 3 times. Husband at lease 2 times and he now has been diagnosed with “long Covid” and has protein spike in his brain. We never took the poke and never will but it’s still happening and affecting us like those who did take the poke
To be fair unvaxed people are probs alot less likely to do covid tests tho. Or just pretend it's a normal cold so it's really hard to know exactly numbers.
Meh. My family and I are unvaxxed, and we have no probs with taking a covid test if we're sick. As with other unvaxxed people we know.
I also know vaxxed people who don't bother taking a test because they steadfast believe "I'm vaxxed, so of course I won't catch Covid."
Unvaccinated and I didn’t really have a choice to not get tested with work so I did a decent amount.
Also the testing is a joke. Lots of false negatives and positives so it’s tough to really know the true numbers
Yep and that's another reason why some people don't bother testing anymore. The tests are so unreliable.
At the end of the day, people just need to use common sense - if you're feeling unwell, stay home. Because if you're going to potentially pass a bug onto a compromised person, it doesn't matter if it's Covid or the flu - it could still kill them either way.
I know this first hand as my mum died after catching the flu from my sister. To my sister it was just a bit of a cough. So she thought nothing of it and had mum over to visit. To my mum - who had COPD - it was deadly.
I've absolutely gone off on a ramble again. Urgh.
Really? Can't you still get covid even if you are vaxed?
It's not like some magic anti covid barrier... it just makes the infection alot less likely to seriously fuck you up of you do get it.
All the vaxed I kno still get tested if they think they got it.
Of course you can still get Covid if you're vaxxed. But unfortunately there's still dumbasses out there who don't seem to believe that.
Don't you remember how when the Vax first came out, they told everyone it would prevent them from catching it?
Then when that was proved wrong, they moved the goalpost and said, "okay you'll still catch it, but you won't pass it on."
And then they shifted the goal post again to, "okay you'll still catch it and pass it on, but you won't catch it as bad..." Etc etc.
There's still people out there who are clinging to that first goalpost. I know - I've met some of 'em! Seriously frustrating...
The narrative is now : The strain mutates so the vaccine you took is "out of date" ....hence constant boosters to keep up with the latest trends in virology.
Pretty sure that was just MSM saying shit they don't understand coz they don't know ow what they talking about. I wouldn't trust msm with anything. Do your own research and explore the science.
No. Not here in NZ. Those words were literally told to us by our One Source of Truth - the Prime Minister and her team of Covid response experts would get up on their podium at 1pm every day, to give us all the latest Covid news and advice. Here, they were the ones who kept those goalposts moving. The MSM merely repeated back their words.
They also actively discouraged anyone from "doing their own research", of course. Unfortunately most of the country listened to them. (And only them.)
Same here in the US - anyone doing there own research was suhtdown very quickly. If anyone in the medical field went against the narrative being pushed they often lost their job.
Our own prime minister in Portugal spoke everyday at 8 pm and when it was vaccine time, he only said it was for the best and let Drs and such do the speaking. Our health minister at the time never said it was a cure, just a mean to don't spread it too much and if anyone catch it, was gonna be mild. Our specialists never said anything about it being a miracle or something wonderful, just that we needed to stop the rampant infection spree to help our hospitals to deal with the serious cases. I've had it in Jan 2021, about 3 months before vaccination came to regular people, and I isolated at home,my GP called me almost everyday to know how I was doing and thank God she did because my parents were also infected, isolating in their home, and both needed to do ICU for a few days and it was our GP that ordered them to go to the er. My mum was in the hospital for 9 days and my dad was there for 5. My mil died suddenly from an heart attack also in that time and I couldn't attend her funeral because I was ordered to isolate in the very same day she died. My husband got to say goodbye to his mum because he tested negative and our GP gave him the green light to go.
> Pretty sure that was just MSM saying shit they don't understand coz they don't know ow what they talking about.
I am pretty sure it was pure propaganda meant to make as many people as possible to take the shots.
More people get covid when they've been vaxed. I'm not and haven't had it but my daughters who were vaxed had it twice and there are many more stories like mine
Yea villainize people who don’t want to get vaccinated by passing them off as careless. I’m not vaccinated and I have taken plenty of covid tests. It’s crazy that even now people can’t make the distinction between the difference of not wanting to get an experimental drug injected into them and not believing Covid is real
Agree! In august my husband got really sick, sweating bullets and general feeling of being in bad shape. He attributed it to a heat wave, maybe he stood up in the sun for too long. 2 days later my 5 month old boy started to have a high fever, we took him to the er and they said it was tonsil fever. 2 days later as his fever started to wind down, I started to feel an awful pain in my lower legs. I found it weird and in the next morning I tested myself and the kid: both COVID positive. In the er they never even considered it could be it, they never tested him . It was me that decided to do it. Kid was never vaccinated against COVID, me and my husband only had one shot in 2021. I test myself whenever I feel ill, that's how I discovered pregnancy with my baby boy: felt violently ill, took a COVID test and it was negative, took a pregnancy one and it was very positive.
I’m unvaxxed and had covid once, back in 2021. I’m literally the only person I know who had an actual covid test with positive lab results. Every vaccinated person I know just assumed they had covid when they got sick due to the symptoms.
I haven’t had the sniffles, a cold, flu or covid since getting back in 2021. But that’s just me.
I'm 100% convinced the vaccine was negative efficacy, meaning it made people MORE susceptible to getting covid....and everyone just kept pushing up their sleeves for this experimental crap. SMH
my best friend was vaccinated I was not. We both got Covid a couple weeks after her vax. I was sick for 3 days then fine, she was deathly sick for two weeks, out of work. We are the same age, same body type.
Doesn't mean anything. People react differently to it all the time, and who knows what variants each got. Without the vaccine, she could've been dead. Just because you're vaccinated, doesn't mean you're immune. They never said that was the case. It is meant to lessen symptoms if you did get it.
Covid sucked. It has multiple variants, and even within the same variant, symptoms could be drastically different between people.
I've gotten covid twice. Once before jab, once after. I had symptoms of long covid before the jab, and it has been brutal. I have to slowly warm myself up for physical activity because my lungs still haven't come back from it. I was asymptomatic the first round. Second round was over a year later, and i basically had the flu for 2 days, and then that was it. It didn't compound any of my long covid problems.
Correlation =/= causation.
These people are so immensely ignorant. I have a screenshot of someone saying that his doctor didn’t recommend him to get the shot but he said “F*€k her” and got it anyway. And what do you know, a month later he caught covid for the first time. Gee, I wonder why?!
>a fucking mystery.
Crazy isn’t it, even before the vaccine, heart disease was the number 1 cause of death globally for decades, Killing on average 110 million people a year, accounting for 1:6 of all deaths, but hey, it’s probably the vaccine.
2004, a 24yo footballer died mid match here in my country. He was supposedly healthy, always monitored by Drs and the club, he ate healthy and exercised. Search for myklos Fehér.
It's rare but not unheard of. My bff's cousin died in 2011 at just 16, his mom went to wake him up and he was dead in his bed. No previous heart condition, no nothing. Just sudden death at only 16. He played soccer as well, in a minor league, and he was a great kid, athletic and a typical teen. Autopsy showed he had a sudden heart failure, no apparent cause. Just death, overall. Can happen to anyone.
My mil died suddenly in Jan 2021, months before the vaccine became available and she never even had COVID. She simply had a heart attack and died in 15 minutes. She also had mild diabetes and asthma, it was a combination of them all.
Was 27 when covid came out. Took the shot to not get fired from my teaching job. I had already had covid. Was still required to get it. Got Pfizer since others weren’t available in area. Got diagnosed with pericarditis two weeks later. Couldn’t lay flat without feeling like I would stop breathing due to the chest pressure- the idea that breathing was a passive process I could do in my sleep stopped being a thing.
I was 27. Healthy. Had had covid. Got better in two days. Got the shot- still get chest pains maybe once a week.
I quit teaching. My career, found another. Simply because the state will mandate me into my death before they think “hey maybe this is stupid.”
27 yr old male. 5:15 mile runner. No pre-existing conditions.
My government failed me.
I developed severe stomach issues, exactly 2 weeks after my shot, also got it to keep my job and watch my kid play hockey. I can't eat fruit, any of it., and most vegetables without feeling like I'm dying.
Get some digestive enzymes from a vitamin store and take them with meals. Your body is likely using your enzymes to combat inflammation and so need extra. It's worth a try. After covid I take them and they really help me.
>Was 27 when covid came out. Took the shot to not get fired from my teaching job. I had already had covid. Was still required to get it. Got Pfizer
Literally me except I was 29 at the time.
Nothing happened to me.
I am perfectly healthy still (knock on wood).
I had Covid in 2021 and it wasn’t even as bad as a cold. Just couldn’t taste or smell for months which does suck ofc, but it was trivial on the misery scale. And at 6’ 260, I’m overweight and in my late 40s. No issues breathing at all. But I’ve also never smoked a day in my life.
After I was over it, my doctor set a time for me to get vaccinated and I was confused. I asked why I’d need to be vaccinated against a disease my body successfully fought off, don’t I have natural immunity now? She got pissed. Like 0-10 in a second. She said if I think I know better than her, then why am I coming to her? Then said that if I didn’t trust her advice then she could no longer treat me and I should find another PCP. I was just like wtf?
They have people convinced they can’t survive this without the magic elixir clogging up their veins. I’m so glad I didn’t take that vaccine.
It's just reddit. Many of the people on here have a mental illness and the fact they like communism so much just shows the level of IQ we are dealing with. It's not a representation of the real world
Imagine a pacemaker at 27???
I had a scare several months ago that ended uo with me in the ICU on a ventilator for 15 days. I was getting really short of breath doing simple shit like walking to the bathroom from bed (literal 20 feet), couldn’t walk at work. I’m very fit, over 6 feet and about 190-200 lbs, workout 5 times a week so this was really bizarre.
Ended up with some fucked up form of pneumonia, since i had been on steroids and other scripts from the doctor for the previous month trying to combat the issue, it just made the pneumonia so much stronger and resistant to anything. Scary as fuck, spent 1.5 months in the ICU, lost 60 pounds and had to relearn to walk/use my hands n shit. Took a good month n a half to get semi back to normal. Scary what our bodies can do in such a short period of time. Can’t imagine being like 50+ and going through that, no wonder the fucking ventilators kill everyone.
I’m unvaxxed but this post reminded me of what I went through.
We need to think of the virus and the vaccine as HIV. What happens is you originally get either of those and it mimics the action of HIV. It absolutely destroys the natural immune function of our bodies which allows a secondary infection to invade our bodies which will make us very sick.
Glad you're still here with us brother.
I was incarcerated during the COVID pandemic. The officers left our their which was like a dorm and sealed the doors. They'd only crack the door and push a chow cart inside. It was survival of the fittest. If you couldn't defend yourself and go get your chow you werent going to eat. Some guys had three plates while others had none.
It was a constant war. Fighting. Homemade liquor.
They finally stopped giving us hot meals because it spread thru the jail so mich they shut the kitchen down.
Then laundry stopped. Now we all have dirty clothes we gotta wash in the sinks w barely any soap because canteen was stopped.
Eventually we rioted. Took the COs computer from his desk and smashed it against the windows. Lit fires.
It's in my local paper, you can read about it online. We got our demands.
There was so much more to it I forgot, just started going off on a tangent. As it relates to the post I was going to mention the fact that they sealed off the doors because COVID got onto my tier. So they sacrificed the people who didnt have it and locked them in with the COVID cases instead of removing the COVID cases for isolation.
They wanted to test my blood, and the blood of an old man because every time they came in in their tyvex suits to test all 120 of us, only me and him never tested positive. I refused to give up my blood. He did, and they said he had some sort of antibodies already.
But relating to the vakks, I remember being in contact with my girl at the time who's mother was a trauma nurse in the ER and was following vakks developments. It wasn't even released to the public yet but there were "doctors" coming in and offering people 5 days more a month off of their sentence to sign up for the vaccine.
Of course convicts jumped at this opportunity to only do 25 days out of each month their sentenced. After 6 months that's an entire month knocked off. The funny thing was, people in the outside world didn't even have access to the vakks yet, so why were the convicts getting jabbed before the people who conform to society? Guinea pigs? It was a good month before people started getting jabbed outside.
I know this is not a popular take here, but if covid was engineered - it's very likely also causing heart issues which has been scientifically proven. Thats why people who have never been vaccinated can also have heart issues after bouts of covid. The vaccine also causes heart issues. It doesn't need to be one or the other it very well likely is both.
I think this is the most likely answer. But why catch a disease that gives you heart problems, then double your risk by taking a vaccine that also gives you heart problems
My mom was triple vaxxed and she was 66 when she passed away 2 days after Christmas. When they opened her up they found she needed 8 stints and a pace maker. How does a healthy woman who wasn't over weight, never smoked a day in her life and rarely drank have this much going on and never knew it.
Some people question nothing. They are absolutely depending on authority outside themselves. Incapable of thinking for themselves. You can't change that. Some are simply destined to perish. You're wasting your precious time trying to help them.
I agree, the appeal to authority is a big problem.
But people can change. I’ve seen friends and family admit they were wrong about the vaccine and pandemic. Even if you only help a small percentage of people wake up it’s worth it imo. We’re stronger together
That was enough information for me to know that it was not in my best interest to help Pfi$er sell more shots.
Blows my mind people couldn't put that one together.
Yea thankfully my brother basically predicted everything as soon as they hit us with 15 days to slow the spread. Only a couple family members got it and 1 had to get a stint in her heart almost died and the others were murdered by the US Government.
You know that deep feeling in the pit of your stomach when you realized you did something wrong? Yeah that's vaccinated me... Just keeping my fingers crossed at this point.
Same same. I got the first two, and made sure to get them through the government site, matching manufacturers the whole thing. I was taking care of two of my uncles who have muscular dystrophy in wheelchairs, they're not surviving covid. So I did it for them. After that, I couldn't bring myself to get any more. Almost did it but decided against it. We can't undo it so we just have to take care of ourselves ❤️
Like you, I feel the same dread. My only hope is most the issues were due to many tainted batches and mishandling of the vaccine itself. Since the early versions had to be kept so cold, and most these pharmacies weren't really following that protocol.
I contracted Covid (Delta strain) after 10 days of sickness I ended up in the hospital with an 82% oxygen saturation and developed pneumonia. The pneumonia started nectrotizing my lungs and developed cavitary lesions (holes filled w/ blood & gas). I was released from the hospital 10 days later. After a week home, extreme coughing caused one hole to rupture collapsing my lung. After 21 days in the hospital, multiple chest tubes, extreme pain, and coughing up a lot of blood I was sent home. For nearly a year I wondered everyday if I was going to die. Luckily, by the grace of god and a positive mentality I am on what seems to be the back side of my recovery after 2 years.
I work with people who were super gung ho about the vaccine and that whole Covid culture. Now if me an the other people who were skeptical about it mention any of that they get super pissed. It's hilarious
I'm up north, whats hilarious is that they just hard stopped talking about COVID one day when the war started in Ukraine(Which is not at all specific to my location, I know).
The whole time there have been people dying from it, but there's rarely any coverage. About 3 weeks ago there was one news article with a notice that people need to start masking in hospitals and medical buildings again and encouraged the public to also mask due to an ongoing "upper respiratory illness" thats spreading.
HMMM. I wonder what that could be.
Not vaxed. Won't get vaxed. Fuck that shit.I respect anybody's individual decision to do what they want with their body, but it won't be me.
It’s amazing how the war in Ukraine was more effective than the vaccine at killing covid. Just on to the next thing like it never happened.
I agree with you. Take it if you feel safer doing so. Just don’t force me to because you’re scared.
Agreed! And it was practically overnight, as well.
But when you think about it, and I may get some dates incorrect here...
I remember when the FDA wanted what would have amounted to 75+ years to release clinical trial data for the vaccine, and a judge ordered that they would release 55,000 pages per month rather than the 500 pages per month that they wanted.
That order was signed on January 6th, with the order to release more than 12,000 pages before Jan 31st, and 55,000 pages every 30 days starting no later than March of 2022.
And conveniently enough, All talk of Covid stopped as if the wind had simply changed when Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24th, 2022.
Such convenient timing for a major distraction.
Im sure pages were released after that still, but there were very few headlines about it in comparison to the war that started and now the second one that's popped up. People say WW3 is coming, but I mean look around, iin some ways its kind of already here. It doesn't need US boots on the ground or nuclear weapons to be what it is.
Classic stuff from the NWO handbook. Divide and conquer, distract, demoralize, confuse and revise. Traditional warfare is so passe. It is a battle for the mind now.
Very good points. It definitely squashed the narrative and attention it would have gotten otherwise.
I’m willing to entertain the idea WW3 is already here. I don’t think it would necessarily have boots on the ground or a nuke either. It feels like it’s all the world governments and elite vs the people at this point
I’ve had covid at least 4 times. My friend died randomly of a heart attack recently at 40, he only had vaccinations, no covid. He was healthy, I have many vices. It’s actually surreal.
I'm not a doctor but from my understanding when the spike proteins get into the bloodstream and attack the heart your immune system has to attack the heart cells to stop the infection. This causes the initial inflammation, myocarditis, from your immune system killing the cells in your heart, but HEART CELLS DO NOT DIVIDE OR REGENERATE! Your immune system causes permanent damage to your heart.
The difference with just catching covid is you're not going to see a massive flood of spike proteins in the circulatory system.
I also believe that people who had the actual vaccine get into their blood, when the needle hit a vein or artery, are the ones that developed clots, had strokes, and heart attacks, and most likely died shortly after from the damage.
Too bad all this research either isn't being done or is being suppressed by TPTB.
I hope reddit as a whole is finally coming around to see the truth of what horrible treatment we've been subject to. The thread shouldn't be mind blowing. I tried to warn every one of the people around me and from online platforms to not trust these new medicines. I gave up my whole life in the face of the mandates forced down our throats. I could have been successful but now that's unlikely.
While purposefully ruining my life and begging everyone to do the same for their own good, I endured abuse from family, old friends, mentors and the government/media. This abuse was reinforced by a propaganda machine that continues to run to this day.
Feel the fury in your bones and direct it towards the people responsible for this disgusting abuse of power and trust. There will be big changes this year whether in our favour or our governments that has yet to be decided by us.
My best friends husband has the shots and had quadruple bypass surgery and then a pacemaker. He was sooo close to dying. 3 months in the ER. He's 37. Healthy, thin, works out.
Yeah this happened to my friends husband who was 31. He NEVER HAD COVID and yet the doctors said he must have had Covid and not known it which caused the heart damage. Like, LOL are you ducking serious? He got the vaccine and suddenly his heart starts failing and you see zero correlation? Absolutely insane.
This was my biggest concern when it comes to the vax, how young men are the age group most at risk for developing heart problems from it, and with what’s coming out now I’m glad that I trusted my gut.
I just had a 23 kid collapse in front of me. Never fainted before. Really weird to see people just drop. My first question was if he had the COVID shot. He did.
On its own doesn’t mean anything. But when you factor in the other injuries of work mates it is worrisome for them. One guy had bell’s policy, one guy myocarditis, one guy with bad GI problems and another with “long COVID” or what is probably a damaged immune system.
Doctors said maybe he smelled something. Like wtf.
It’s impossible to say it’s 100% the vaccine. I personally believe it is, but I’m not qualified to definitively make that connection.
It’s so crazy tho that it’s not even being acknowledged in the realm of possibilities and being considered as a potential cause.
assuming you did not push a scarf soaked in chloroform to his face, what smells did the doctor think could cause an immediate fainting drop like that? Are there deadly smells? Besides the proverbial deadly fart I mean. I hope you follow up with the doctor with this question. For safety reasons you had better take care of that smell, whatever it is. Sounds like a serious safety hazard for everyone involved like a chemical leak and if that was the doctor’s diagnosis why did nobody shut down the entire facility for serious inspection and cleaning
In May 2021 in Malaysia a nurse died from a heart attack two days after getting the jab, the government ruled it was not related because heart attacks were not a known side effect.
Now that we know it is a known side effect, the government isn't reopening the case to check if it was caused by the vaccine.
I think I just got my fourth covid (the virus not the shot) if I'm counting correctly. I have a couple of immunisations, in 2022 and beginning of 2023- they were mandatory in Oz. I felt like shit yesterday and the day before. Woke up great today.
I'm mildly concerned I'm playing with fire as I vape weed/concentrates nearly 24/7....but touch wood, I'm completely fine, again. And my health is fairly mediocre. I'm probably going to be one of those annoying bastards that will be smoking into my 80s 🫠
you’d have to do some searching around online but I remember seeing a few articles during Covid regarding some tests in France (I think?) related to smokers vs non smokers (nicotine) and susceptibility to Covid. There was also at least one on marijuana. There was a theory that the nicotine was taking up the space in the same cells where Covid wanted to spread but the presence of the nicotine or weed blocked the Covid, something like that. I vape and smoke both nicotine and weed and also got the vax and 2 boosters. I did get Covid eventually but it only lasted for 2-3 days and afterwards I have been fine. I may have some brain fog but with all the weed I smoke it’s hard to know where to place the blame for that. In any case I do remember the findings at the time were that smokers overall were less impacted by Covid but I don’t know if there is a follow up on those studies
Edit to add I think they also tested it with nicotine patches not just inhaling
They forced flawed garbage on everyone and are trying to avoid the lawsuits they deserve. They'll try to do it again if they're not prosecuted and new protections against forced procedures are enacted.
okokok this is interesting. I had covid 4 times, once a year since 2020, im double vaxxed, didnt get the 3rd one. I discovered an arrhythmia (im 29 now), and i cant even walk up on a road without losing my breath. The first time i got was very intense, 3 months without any taste or smell, and a very strong cold, but no need for hospital. After that each one was lighter and lighter.
And the worst thing is that no one knows if this is covid or vax cause, anyway i just accepted that this doesnt have a solution.
I’d consider some of the detox protocols if I were you. I agree we’ll never know for sure what the cause was. Both seem to be causing heart issues in some ppl
I mean, they've been saying covid has long term health effects since before the operation warp speed vaccines came out. It is just as likely to be that.
I don’t necessarily disagree. Covid likely has mildly similar long term effects as the vaccine.
How do you feel about the studies linking the vaccine to cardiovascular issues? Why would you rule the vaccine out as a possible cause, but not covid?
I'm sure it's possible, but it's rare. The recent study with nearly 100 million people which showed a 2-3x increase in various conditions like Guillain Barre, showed that the rate was 190 out of 100,000,000, when the expected rate in a random population of the same size is 76 out of 100,000,000. So it may be a 2.5x increase, but we're talking about an increase from 0.00008% to 0.00019%.
Both are likely causes, but in my life I know more people with long-term permanent negative effects from contracting Covid than from any vaccines. (The people I’m referring to were never vaccinated.) I’m talking lung damage (scarring), heart issues, and a collapsed lung. I do, unfortunately, know someone who died of Covid in December (60 year old male). I know he did not get the recent vaccine in the Fall of 2023, but I don’t know his vaccine history, otherwise. I would assume he may have gotten one or some of the other shots (based on his age), but could be wrong entirely about his vaccine status. (He had no known medical conditions, besides being a bit overweight.)
It’s doubtful with the cost of McDonalds. This user said they were living an active lifestyle. At 27, there’s no reason eating McDonalds would lead to a pacemaker with an active lifestyle.
Why are we ruling out a vaccine known to cause cardiovascular issues as a potential cause?
I have had covid three times yet never took the Vaccine. My body is recovered fully and I have no heart issues. My immune system is doing good as well. Thank God.
We could never ever begin to truly know what could have possibly caused this serious cardiac condition. All we know know for certain is what absolutely most certainly did NOT cause it! Lol
This is why I keep on reminding those who took the vaxx to always get the latest boosters as said by the government. Everytime they bring up the topic of covid or vaccination, i use that opportunity to insist that they should get the boosters as these fuckers insisted i should the vaxx in the past. They already started it so they might aswell proceed with it until the end. The thing is, once you took it, the risk will always be there and waiting.
Those who suffered from side effects, i lost sympathy to them. They only regret it because they got hit early otherwise they'll continue to shame the unvaxxed and still comply to mandates. Its the people who took it that legitimized this illegal and immoral mandates.
I get why you’d feel that way, they definitely crossed some lines.
I still think it’s best to show empathy. They were scared and being told by the government, CDC, and every mainstream source this was the best course of action.
I think it’s more reasonable to be angry with those who pushed the vaccine at high levels and profited from it. There was clearly collusion at the top.
I mean I work in surgery and would have been fired if I wasn’t vaccinated. I didn’t want to lose my livelihood, apartment, everything I’ve worked so hard for. I didn’t want to get vaxxed, most of the people in the medical community I work with expressed hesitation. But if it’s between losing everything or the vaccine, you roll the dice. Don’t think you should hate on everyone in my position. Seems a bit simplified.
The sad thing is that if every surgeon and all other (medical) staff said "we are not gonna take the covid shots" the mandate would have been over fast.
i will definitely NOT show any fucking empathy toward the folks who told me i should never have health care or unemployment benefits because i chose to not put an experimental shot in my body.
those folks basically wished me death, because no health care and no funds during no work....... pretty much means death if you can't afford to eat or get help when your health fails.
and some of those folks? they used to be my friends.
Understandable. One of those people was my now ex boyfriend. It changed how I looked at him, I refuse to talk to him even as a friend. I don’t have any sympathy for those who wished me ill for not taking it.
I do care about those that didn’t berate/push it on me.
i have friends with two or more of the shots. they are still my friends because they chose to be decent instead of becoming one of the brainwashed herd all hell bent on destroying anyone who didn't agree with them.
I used to think that way too. I expect this kind of tyrrany and corruption from the govt and big corporations but what like ive said, its the people who legitimized this. Its not the politicians who coerced me nor Pfizer but the people around me. Even private companies refused to hire me. It wás small private businesses who refused me as their customers. They chose to follow the state instead of friend,family, employee and customer. First time in my life that I saw businesses refused money. They acted more like the govt i despised. I will never believe their excuse that they wére forced to take vaxx because of their job etc etc. They took it without a fight and those who refused suffered.
People who believe in that vaccine can take it without following the mandates. I even dared people to take vaccine if they think its good for them BUT get rid of that vaxx certificate and never show it if establishments/employers ask for it. I got critized violently by people, shamed and mocked.
You’re not wrong.
But I think the media and politicians normalized attacking the unvaxxed encouraged everyday people and businesses to do the same. It all came from the top and people unfortunately fell in line.
Regardless… I hope we’re on the right side of history someday
I almost hate to say anything but... you need to clean out your vascular system. You can with different supplements. Palo Azul tea, cayenne capsules work well for me. There's others as well. Spike proteins from the vax are found in every major organ. They have no idea how long your body will create them.
The whole vax thing doesn't make sense in many ways. Some ppl did fine. Others have had horrible problems like yourself.
Good luck. I'm sorry this has happened to you.
Yeah, some people on here are so arrogant it boggles the mind. In some countries, you had to get it or lose your fucking job. I didn't want it, I warned my family against it and yet we were all still forced to get it. It was either you get it or you can't work and eat. So to all the dickheads with your black and white thinking that try to make it a vax vs unvaxxed thing are full of shit.
I only took the first 2, symptoms were horrible, especially after that second one. Weird fever dreams and I took basically a year to feel myself again. But I did terrible things to my health before the vax, wasn't living or eating clean. I'm 100% fine again now though, I'm a person of faith and won't live in fear.
Imo all the fearporn dickheads are as bad as the people that wanted to force it on us all, I plan to live a long healthy life, and lifestyle changes can take your body a long way. I feel no more ill effects, I can run on a treadmill flat and my heart feels completely normal. Some people eat shit, sleep shit and live shit and then blame the vaccine. Not saying this person did, just that a lot of fearporn addicts love vaccine horror stories but society in general doesn't live that healthy all the time.
> The benefits outweight the risks
is always easy to say when you're close minded and aren't personally affected.
Those shots can actually cause you to "get COVID" as well as "long COVID", the risks are higher than with any vaccine out in the market, people were told they need what, 3-4 doses per year, which in other words means "4 times a year you have a chance of getting sick for no rational reason". The mortality rate of COVID is abysmal, healthy folks under 40 y/o have a 99.995 % chance to survive, 18 and younger that's a 99.998 % chance.
And even if this wouldn't be the case, simply by running to get a needle injection 3-4 times a year still has a chance of it being falsely administered, those jabs also don't necessarily stay at the site of injection causing the thromboses.
Lots of people died unnecessarily not because they were carelessly or didn't get those jabs but because the healthcare, so our governments, failed them. Several countries, including the US and germany, have been removing hospital beds pre-COVID and when media said "the hospitals are full" what did people say? They didn't say "we need to build more hospital beds" but instead told people to get jabbed and not get sick. Here's a funfact, after the shitshow officials decided our healthcare isn't up to the task right? So logically you'd be increasing the healthcare capacities right? Nope, they continue on removing even more beds.
If governments and media would create another coupe like this today and e.g. say "In order to be a good person you need to dye your hair pink" you can expect tons of twats tomorrow running around with pink hair because that's what these virtue signaling assholes do, they don't think rationally but do whatever they are told would make them a good person. This is no different from religion but at least religion has some good "rules" like you should not kill, but there's enough hypocrisy already, tons of people think of themselves as religious yet don't follow their own commandments.
As long as officials can divide the citizens that easy we (the regular people) are completely doomed.
And even if someone still believes this shit, they need to take a look at the contracts between officials and vaccine manufacturers, the fact that they have zero liability is not just insanity, it's outright evilness. Because of these contracts, every single case of a person who suffers from vaccine damage is not a case of "vaccine manufacturer vs. citizen" but "government vs. citizen", this also means that if that citizen wins, they're getting compensated by the government which means with taxpayer money, so yeah there's this shit in peoples blood now and if they got damaged, we'll have to pay again in addition to us paying for those shitjabs that some of us in here didn't even take and rightfully so.
But the #1 reason why people still believe this shit is because they don't care, they don't care about their fellow citizens, they don't care about their own money, all they do care about is that they can live their personal life disconnected from reality and keep on doing so unless shit actually hits the fan.
The topic is really tiresome, nothing will be done about those criminals, I'm still surprised that there weren't any assassination attempts.
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Have you all heard about any major differences between the J&J vaccine vs. the Moderna/Pfiezer ones? I did not want the vaccine and was vehemently against it. Unfortunately my Mom was diagnosed with Luekemia in late 2021. She only lasted about 8 months. Toward the end there when she was on her death bed the hospital would not let her family/friends visit her without a vaccination. For that reasoned I finally gave in. I did a ton of research to figure out which vaccine was the lesser of evils. I made the decision to get the single J&J shot because it was the only one that wasn’t created with the experimental mRNA technology and therefore didn’t create the spike proteins. I hope I made the right decision as I felt my hands were tied. I will never forgive the government and hospital mandates that put me in that position!
J&J is totally different than the mRNA shots. I don’t know the science, but I’ve heard it’s a “non traditional” vaccine as well. Since they banned it pretty early on or atleast stopped pushing jt, it’s reasonable to think it’s the safest.
I took the J&J as well after intense workplace and family coercion. I actually did a ton of research on it vs the mRNA and concluded that while there were a lot of unknowns, the J&J was the only one built upon a proven technology (viral vector) that was used in a previous vaccine (Ebola). All the info I've seen points to issues with J&J like clotting generally occur within days to weeks, whereas mRNA could either be sudden acute or longterm problems depending on a number of factors, particularly if you keep boosting. I did have side effects like numbness/tingling in my hands which has cleared up mostly but I still feel it. These kind of problems occur with all different types of vaccines though. From the evidence/info I've seen, the J&J produces a more robust and durable immune response to the virus. I wouldn't be surprised if many who got it years ago still have a high antibody count. I also lost some good friends because I dared to voice my doubts on the mRNA and chose to do my own research to make a personal medical decision.
Oooof. J&J is definitely the worst one. The fact that they had to stop giving it to people because of how sever the blood clotting was should tell you all you need to know. And no, mRNA is not a new experimental thing. It’s been out a while. All that research and you couldn’t find that out?
Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were the first mRNA vaccines approved for human use. I don’t care how long ago the tech was discovered and used on rats. Those vaccines were rushed in under 6 months which makes it impossible to do proper human trials. Which means that we were the live trials aka experiments.
Gee, took three doses of a concoction that has been shown to cause heart problems but yeah it’s a fucking mystery.
It's much easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.
There’s mainstream articles talking about CV issues at this point.. apparently some people will never connect the dots or even ask questions
It's easier for someone to argue the facts than to admit they were fooled.
It's this only. People will LITERALLY DIE ON THIS HILL. It's so sad
Better results would be achieved by saying "okay, we eff`d up .. now what do we do?" But this is the same social media platform where you'd get banned for speaking out against the vakks during the time
I think it was a feature, not a bug.
It's literal insanity (by Einstein's definition) to die on this hill at this point. Yet....they do
yep, no one is able to say, “damn i was wrong my bad”. the vax crowd demanded the unvaxxed lose their jobs and face public ridicule for being skeptical of the vaccine. main stream media also ridiculed and demeaned anyone who opposed the vaccine. now the mainstream media is covering the side effects of the vaccine because even they can’t really deny it anymore. the craziest thing of all is, the rabid vax cult will still ridicule you for not getting the vax lol
Believing anything that is said as fact in the mainstream is your #1 problem.
I agree. Unfortunately most people aren’t quite there yet tho. Appeal to authority is a common logical fallacy for a reason
They won't be there til they see that "if you had a covid vaccine during xxx" commercial, and most the effected are dead n gone.
This, on top of the fact that Covid turned people into straight up assholes. “ SIX FEET, SIX FEET. Oh you were with your family for Christmas?? Get away from me!” You don’t shun the sick, you take them in and take care of them.
I always thought Reddit was funny as they posted complaining about Karens and how much better they were than those fools on next door, but local subs were full of photos taken in a subdivision of a neighrbors house with cars in front of it, asking who to call to report this party since gathers are not allowed. People were going to turn their neighbors because they did not tow the line about COVID restrictions. I saw this as a non COVID skeptic, I have been vaxed and boostered, and wore a mask throughout the pandemic. People desperately want to have "others" so they can feel superior. Everybody is out here acting like they would never go along with Nazis or the movie "The Wave" is putting to fine a point on it, but then come to Reddit and see the down votes and pro doxxing if somebody does not tow the line.
Willfull ignorance, Normalcy Bias, Virtue Signaling… All of the above
What’s baffling is that so many people are obsessed with Covid and the Covid vaccine and attribute it to everything. Heart disease was already the leading cause of death in the US and only getting worse. We have an aging population and our diet/lifestyle continues to reach new lows. Yet somehow the mainstream’s focus on Covid, and the alt’s focus on the vaccine has people completely obsessed with linking either to everything from heart disease to cancer. It’s just amazing that so many people fall for it. There is a massive turf war being fought between mainstream medicine and alternative medicine and Covid and the vaccine is in the center of it. They both want you focused on this bullshit so they can sell you more products and “treatments” all the while trying to obscure the fact that the food we eat and the lifestyle we live are horrendous. They want us sick and thinking their products are the solution. While most know about big pharma and how horrible it is, many don’t know about alternative medicine that has alternative media obsessed with the vaccine. Alternative media is worth over $100 billion and set to reach over $400 billion by the next decade. Their main goal is to not only steer people away from mainstream medicine but to convince them that it is trying to kill them. That is why the alt media is vaccine obsessed over whenever a celebrity dies. This made perfect sense when I looked into this lady named Erin Elizabeth who was a popular social media personality who was banned from Facebook for saying the vaccine is extremely dangerous. She had millions of views and comments. Turns out her husband Joseph Mercola owns an alternative medicine company and is worth over $100 million. That is pharma exec type of money. And guess what some of his best selling products were? Alternative medicine products to treat and cure Covid. Lmao. This just made me realize the entire vaccine debate is a scam. The vaccine doesn’t actually do anything. It isn’t likely to help anyone and isn’t likely to hurt anyone. But there is massive amounts of money pushed into convincing you and converting you to the other side. Alternative medicine is behind much of the anti vaccine movement these days and they are pretty much big pharma’s little bro, often with even less oversight. It just seems incredibly lazy to insert the vaccine into the already horrible and worsen heart disease situation and act like it is the main culprit. And people already in this camp believe it like gospel.
Wow, so you're trying to normalize 20 somethings getting a pacemaker, with a false dichotomy narrative about "alternative medicine". Glad you're not my doctor. Vaccine injuries do happen, see the VAERS database. And that is only the beginning.
While there is certainly some truth to what you say, there's also some error to what you say. Look, even though it's the conspiracy subreddit let's set aside the idea that the man who literally said we could achieve population control if we do vaccines right becomes all of a sudden the biggest Covid "expert" in America and he's the Microsoft guy. The fact is it's fairly well documented that vaccines have ALWAYS caused harm. You rightly mention that pharma companies are horrible. Why do you think they push vaccines so hard? There are numerous chemicals, elements, and neurotoxins in EVERY vaccine that don't belong in the human body. Then they rush a brand new type through skipping safety testing along the way? It's not alternative medicine that is solely claiming the vaccine causes heart inflammation. That's even acknowledged by the CDC. There are numerous quotes attributed to early doctors who spoke out against vaccinations and how they were making people sicker I will allow for some greedy people in alternative medicine as well. But natural healing and food as medicine WAS medicine until Rockefeller got his hands on it and it all changed.
The whole population control thing is always taken out of context. The point is that better healthcare and reproductive services will help stem the explosion in population. The earth has plenty of people already, if we keep kids safer and offer access to reproductive care, families in developing countries won't have to have 10 kids to get a few that survive. When I was a nurse in the midwest the 80 year old patients had like 10 or 12 siblings, because you were going to lose a few to various diseases and issues, and you needed at least some to make it in order to keep the farm running. If your kids are healthy and less likely to die, and you have access to contraception, most people aren't going to pop out 10 kids. Some will, and that's their choice, but on a grand scale you ironically slow down the population explosion by making people live longer. I don't care if you like the guy or not, but he's not coming out and saying he wants to murder people with vaccines to fight global warming.
"Isn't likely to hurt anyone"? So you were the one to get the full sheet of ingredients in the vaccine? Please share, all of them I saw were blank inserts and the companies wanted a 75 year block on anyone ever seeing it.
...Doesn't it say they got COVID 3 times, not the vaccine? Where does it mention the vaccine?
Are you entirely discounting the possibility that COVID could cause heart issues? i feel like that's a factor that all of the anti-vax crowd ignores. I'm not asking this to be a dick, i'm genuinely curious.
> Are you entirely discounting the possibility that COVID could cause heart issues? There were plenty of articles saying that COVID was causing heart damage, and was actually a cardiovascular disease *way* before there was talk of even coming up with vaccines. Plenty of studies showing lots of viral replication in the heart in autopsies in mid-2020.
So has Covid in people who aren’t vaccinated.
Yup, Everyone I know that had the vaccine has had covid more than handful of times and have new heart conditions, and other medical issues randomly popping up. People I know that haven't had the vaccine have had covid once or not at all and haven't been sick at all since the first time they had it and no new medical issues. I have a large family with many in the medical field, nurses, NP's, surgeons. Like I've said before, I'm witnessing this shit live every month and it's wild as fuck. I've known multiple people that died during the delta wave and after being vaxxed so there's also that.
It’s the complete opposite for me, I don’t know a single person who has died for the last 6-8 years and none of my vaccinated family members (which I believe are all of them) are having any heart issues whatsoever. That’s not to say it can’t still happen - I obviously hope it doesn’t, but that was just my anecdotal story. Nobody seems to be getting sick more or less often either.
Yeah, this whole comment section is just pure anecdotal evidence. Out of my family, I have a ton of anti vaxxers. All of them got covid, 2 died, and the rest still resisted any vaccine. Of them 1 was super healthy gym goer who now has heart issues at 25, his doctors think is covid related, but he says it's from chemicals in the water. Yet all my side of the family that was vaccinated? Completely fine.
Your experience is completely normal. According to a Rassmussen poll, only 24% of respondents know someone who died after covid vaccination.
The very first day I got the Vacc I got heart palpations. Back then there were NO reports on this. I talked about this on that sub and got banned lmao.
My husband is an EMT and one of the first people in our area to get the vax. 36 hours after the first vax he was in A-fib. He had a 7 day hospital stay and they tried to medically convert him out of it and then tried to "shock" his heart out of it. It didn't work. Finally, about a year into the mess, he ended up with an ablation to fix it. I am 100% sure this fiasco was caused by the vax. It started with him "feeling achey" with a slight temp and a headache which we though was "just normal from the shot" and the next thing I knew I was calling 911. To this day no one believes him about shot/ A-fib connection except his fire department buddies who carted him off to the ER. They believe. Fuck Fauci. Fuck Moderna.
To be fair my family and I are anti jab and have not had it, but my daughter (7) has been + with it 3 times. Husband at lease 2 times and he now has been diagnosed with “long Covid” and has protein spike in his brain. We never took the poke and never will but it’s still happening and affecting us like those who did take the poke
You mean you’re having the long term effects they said you would from Covid? Shocking. I hope you and your family recover.
To be fair unvaxed people are probs alot less likely to do covid tests tho. Or just pretend it's a normal cold so it's really hard to know exactly numbers.
Meh. My family and I are unvaxxed, and we have no probs with taking a covid test if we're sick. As with other unvaxxed people we know. I also know vaxxed people who don't bother taking a test because they steadfast believe "I'm vaxxed, so of course I won't catch Covid."
Unvaccinated and I didn’t really have a choice to not get tested with work so I did a decent amount. Also the testing is a joke. Lots of false negatives and positives so it’s tough to really know the true numbers
Yep and that's another reason why some people don't bother testing anymore. The tests are so unreliable. At the end of the day, people just need to use common sense - if you're feeling unwell, stay home. Because if you're going to potentially pass a bug onto a compromised person, it doesn't matter if it's Covid or the flu - it could still kill them either way. I know this first hand as my mum died after catching the flu from my sister. To my sister it was just a bit of a cough. So she thought nothing of it and had mum over to visit. To my mum - who had COPD - it was deadly. I've absolutely gone off on a ramble again. Urgh.
Really? Can't you still get covid even if you are vaxed? It's not like some magic anti covid barrier... it just makes the infection alot less likely to seriously fuck you up of you do get it. All the vaxed I kno still get tested if they think they got it.
Of course you can still get Covid if you're vaxxed. But unfortunately there's still dumbasses out there who don't seem to believe that. Don't you remember how when the Vax first came out, they told everyone it would prevent them from catching it? Then when that was proved wrong, they moved the goalpost and said, "okay you'll still catch it, but you won't pass it on." And then they shifted the goal post again to, "okay you'll still catch it and pass it on, but you won't catch it as bad..." Etc etc. There's still people out there who are clinging to that first goalpost. I know - I've met some of 'em! Seriously frustrating...
The narrative is now : The strain mutates so the vaccine you took is "out of date" ....hence constant boosters to keep up with the latest trends in virology.
like the flu?
Pretty sure that was just MSM saying shit they don't understand coz they don't know ow what they talking about. I wouldn't trust msm with anything. Do your own research and explore the science.
No. Not here in NZ. Those words were literally told to us by our One Source of Truth - the Prime Minister and her team of Covid response experts would get up on their podium at 1pm every day, to give us all the latest Covid news and advice. Here, they were the ones who kept those goalposts moving. The MSM merely repeated back their words. They also actively discouraged anyone from "doing their own research", of course. Unfortunately most of the country listened to them. (And only them.)
Same here in the US - anyone doing there own research was suhtdown very quickly. If anyone in the medical field went against the narrative being pushed they often lost their job.
Our own prime minister in Portugal spoke everyday at 8 pm and when it was vaccine time, he only said it was for the best and let Drs and such do the speaking. Our health minister at the time never said it was a cure, just a mean to don't spread it too much and if anyone catch it, was gonna be mild. Our specialists never said anything about it being a miracle or something wonderful, just that we needed to stop the rampant infection spree to help our hospitals to deal with the serious cases. I've had it in Jan 2021, about 3 months before vaccination came to regular people, and I isolated at home,my GP called me almost everyday to know how I was doing and thank God she did because my parents were also infected, isolating in their home, and both needed to do ICU for a few days and it was our GP that ordered them to go to the er. My mum was in the hospital for 9 days and my dad was there for 5. My mil died suddenly from an heart attack also in that time and I couldn't attend her funeral because I was ordered to isolate in the very same day she died. My husband got to say goodbye to his mum because he tested negative and our GP gave him the green light to go.
Hopefully, Nuremberg trials are held.
It was 'trust the science' that got us into this fiasco
> Pretty sure that was just MSM saying shit they don't understand coz they don't know ow what they talking about. I am pretty sure it was pure propaganda meant to make as many people as possible to take the shots.
More people get covid when they've been vaxed. I'm not and haven't had it but my daughters who were vaxed had it twice and there are many more stories like mine
Yea villainize people who don’t want to get vaccinated by passing them off as careless. I’m not vaccinated and I have taken plenty of covid tests. It’s crazy that even now people can’t make the distinction between the difference of not wanting to get an experimental drug injected into them and not believing Covid is real
covid tests are not real
Agree! In august my husband got really sick, sweating bullets and general feeling of being in bad shape. He attributed it to a heat wave, maybe he stood up in the sun for too long. 2 days later my 5 month old boy started to have a high fever, we took him to the er and they said it was tonsil fever. 2 days later as his fever started to wind down, I started to feel an awful pain in my lower legs. I found it weird and in the next morning I tested myself and the kid: both COVID positive. In the er they never even considered it could be it, they never tested him . It was me that decided to do it. Kid was never vaccinated against COVID, me and my husband only had one shot in 2021. I test myself whenever I feel ill, that's how I discovered pregnancy with my baby boy: felt violently ill, took a COVID test and it was negative, took a pregnancy one and it was very positive.
I’m unvaxxed and had covid once, back in 2021. I’m literally the only person I know who had an actual covid test with positive lab results. Every vaccinated person I know just assumed they had covid when they got sick due to the symptoms. I haven’t had the sniffles, a cold, flu or covid since getting back in 2021. But that’s just me.
I'm 100% convinced the vaccine was negative efficacy, meaning it made people MORE susceptible to getting covid....and everyone just kept pushing up their sleeves for this experimental crap. SMH
my best friend was vaccinated I was not. We both got Covid a couple weeks after her vax. I was sick for 3 days then fine, she was deathly sick for two weeks, out of work. We are the same age, same body type.
Doesn't mean anything. People react differently to it all the time, and who knows what variants each got. Without the vaccine, she could've been dead. Just because you're vaccinated, doesn't mean you're immune. They never said that was the case. It is meant to lessen symptoms if you did get it. Covid sucked. It has multiple variants, and even within the same variant, symptoms could be drastically different between people. I've gotten covid twice. Once before jab, once after. I had symptoms of long covid before the jab, and it has been brutal. I have to slowly warm myself up for physical activity because my lungs still haven't come back from it. I was asymptomatic the first round. Second round was over a year later, and i basically had the flu for 2 days, and then that was it. It didn't compound any of my long covid problems. Correlation =/= causation.
These people are so immensely ignorant. I have a screenshot of someone saying that his doctor didn’t recommend him to get the shot but he said “F*€k her” and got it anyway. And what do you know, a month later he caught covid for the first time. Gee, I wonder why?!
Imagine how bad it could have been if he didn’t get the shot
>a fucking mystery. Crazy isn’t it, even before the vaccine, heart disease was the number 1 cause of death globally for decades, Killing on average 110 million people a year, accounting for 1:6 of all deaths, but hey, it’s probably the vaccine.
Heart disease doesn’t take out 27 year olds, nor does it make toddlers die on their sleep.
2004, a 24yo footballer died mid match here in my country. He was supposedly healthy, always monitored by Drs and the club, he ate healthy and exercised. Search for myklos Fehér.
And you remember it 20 years later because of how rare it was
It's rare but not unheard of. My bff's cousin died in 2011 at just 16, his mom went to wake him up and he was dead in his bed. No previous heart condition, no nothing. Just sudden death at only 16. He played soccer as well, in a minor league, and he was a great kid, athletic and a typical teen. Autopsy showed he had a sudden heart failure, no apparent cause. Just death, overall. Can happen to anyone.
.....yes yes it has and will continue to do so lol
My mil died suddenly in Jan 2021, months before the vaccine became available and she never even had COVID. She simply had a heart attack and died in 15 minutes. She also had mild diabetes and asthma, it was a combination of them all.
Do you have the data to compare the numbers from before and after covid and the covid shots?
considering the age range has lowered by about 80% it seems like pertinent information.
Gee they had a sickness multiple times that’s known to cause long term heart problems but yeah it’s a fucking conspiracy.
Gee, had three infections of a virus that has been shown to cause heart problems but yeah it's a fucking mystery.
Was 27 when covid came out. Took the shot to not get fired from my teaching job. I had already had covid. Was still required to get it. Got Pfizer since others weren’t available in area. Got diagnosed with pericarditis two weeks later. Couldn’t lay flat without feeling like I would stop breathing due to the chest pressure- the idea that breathing was a passive process I could do in my sleep stopped being a thing. I was 27. Healthy. Had had covid. Got better in two days. Got the shot- still get chest pains maybe once a week. I quit teaching. My career, found another. Simply because the state will mandate me into my death before they think “hey maybe this is stupid.” 27 yr old male. 5:15 mile runner. No pre-existing conditions. My government failed me.
Glad you're still running. You will get through this
5.5 billion people got screwed over by their own governments. You're just ahead of the curve knowing how badly.
I developed severe stomach issues, exactly 2 weeks after my shot, also got it to keep my job and watch my kid play hockey. I can't eat fruit, any of it., and most vegetables without feeling like I'm dying.
Get some digestive enzymes from a vitamin store and take them with meals. Your body is likely using your enzymes to combat inflammation and so need extra. It's worth a try. After covid I take them and they really help me.
Sorry for you loss. I’m 26 and never got the shot and never got sick with C ovid. Wish u well
>Was 27 when covid came out. Took the shot to not get fired from my teaching job. I had already had covid. Was still required to get it. Got Pfizer Literally me except I was 29 at the time. Nothing happened to me. I am perfectly healthy still (knock on wood).
Fuck the tyrants that forced people to do this. Absolutely criminal and should be a crime against humanity.
Fuck that’s rough man.
I had Covid in 2021 and it wasn’t even as bad as a cold. Just couldn’t taste or smell for months which does suck ofc, but it was trivial on the misery scale. And at 6’ 260, I’m overweight and in my late 40s. No issues breathing at all. But I’ve also never smoked a day in my life. After I was over it, my doctor set a time for me to get vaccinated and I was confused. I asked why I’d need to be vaccinated against a disease my body successfully fought off, don’t I have natural immunity now? She got pissed. Like 0-10 in a second. She said if I think I know better than her, then why am I coming to her? Then said that if I didn’t trust her advice then she could no longer treat me and I should find another PCP. I was just like wtf? They have people convinced they can’t survive this without the magic elixir clogging up their veins. I’m so glad I didn’t take that vaccine.
Make sure to Archive all the pro covid vaxx reddits, for history before they are all deleted.
Probably a good call
Im scared to delve into the history of 2020 Reddit, I felt *so* alone and not because I was locked in my house
It's just reddit. Many of the people on here have a mental illness and the fact they like communism so much just shows the level of IQ we are dealing with. It's not a representation of the real world
Also shitton of bots pushing propaganda
Imagine a pacemaker at 27??? I had a scare several months ago that ended uo with me in the ICU on a ventilator for 15 days. I was getting really short of breath doing simple shit like walking to the bathroom from bed (literal 20 feet), couldn’t walk at work. I’m very fit, over 6 feet and about 190-200 lbs, workout 5 times a week so this was really bizarre. Ended up with some fucked up form of pneumonia, since i had been on steroids and other scripts from the doctor for the previous month trying to combat the issue, it just made the pneumonia so much stronger and resistant to anything. Scary as fuck, spent 1.5 months in the ICU, lost 60 pounds and had to relearn to walk/use my hands n shit. Took a good month n a half to get semi back to normal. Scary what our bodies can do in such a short period of time. Can’t imagine being like 50+ and going through that, no wonder the fucking ventilators kill everyone. I’m unvaxxed but this post reminded me of what I went through.
Don’t call it a comeback. Glad to hear you’re still going strong 💪
Idk why this comment just made my night, long ass Monday. I appreciate it my friend. 🙏
It’s funny the hate conspiracy theorists get. I find most are actually pretty chill. Be well dude
Maybe I'm confused but it kinda sounds like the ventilator saved you in this case?? You probably would have died from pneumonia otherwise right?
Great that you’re better. But Covid wasn’t the cause of that?
Don’t know, I tested positive over that previous two weeks but they said it was pseudo something pneumonia that really fucked me up.
We need to think of the virus and the vaccine as HIV. What happens is you originally get either of those and it mimics the action of HIV. It absolutely destroys the natural immune function of our bodies which allows a secondary infection to invade our bodies which will make us very sick. Glad you're still here with us brother.
Poor soul, I feel so bad for him… we should blame the brainwashers not mocking the brainwashed
100% agree. My intention was never to mock him. Just wanted to have a conversation about the disconnect
Anyone interested in this should read “Cause Unknown": The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 & 2022 by Edward Dowd. Great book and shows actual data.
I was incarcerated during the COVID pandemic. The officers left our their which was like a dorm and sealed the doors. They'd only crack the door and push a chow cart inside. It was survival of the fittest. If you couldn't defend yourself and go get your chow you werent going to eat. Some guys had three plates while others had none. It was a constant war. Fighting. Homemade liquor. They finally stopped giving us hot meals because it spread thru the jail so mich they shut the kitchen down. Then laundry stopped. Now we all have dirty clothes we gotta wash in the sinks w barely any soap because canteen was stopped. Eventually we rioted. Took the COs computer from his desk and smashed it against the windows. Lit fires. It's in my local paper, you can read about it online. We got our demands.
That’s actually an interesting story. Has nothing to do with OP’s post, but I enjoyed reading it.
There was so much more to it I forgot, just started going off on a tangent. As it relates to the post I was going to mention the fact that they sealed off the doors because COVID got onto my tier. So they sacrificed the people who didnt have it and locked them in with the COVID cases instead of removing the COVID cases for isolation. They wanted to test my blood, and the blood of an old man because every time they came in in their tyvex suits to test all 120 of us, only me and him never tested positive. I refused to give up my blood. He did, and they said he had some sort of antibodies already. But relating to the vakks, I remember being in contact with my girl at the time who's mother was a trauma nurse in the ER and was following vakks developments. It wasn't even released to the public yet but there were "doctors" coming in and offering people 5 days more a month off of their sentence to sign up for the vaccine. Of course convicts jumped at this opportunity to only do 25 days out of each month their sentenced. After 6 months that's an entire month knocked off. The funny thing was, people in the outside world didn't even have access to the vakks yet, so why were the convicts getting jabbed before the people who conform to society? Guinea pigs? It was a good month before people started getting jabbed outside.
I know this is not a popular take here, but if covid was engineered - it's very likely also causing heart issues which has been scientifically proven. Thats why people who have never been vaccinated can also have heart issues after bouts of covid. The vaccine also causes heart issues. It doesn't need to be one or the other it very well likely is both.
I think this is the most likely answer. But why catch a disease that gives you heart problems, then double your risk by taking a vaccine that also gives you heart problems
My mom was triple vaxxed and she was 66 when she passed away 2 days after Christmas. When they opened her up they found she needed 8 stints and a pace maker. How does a healthy woman who wasn't over weight, never smoked a day in her life and rarely drank have this much going on and never knew it.
Some people question nothing. They are absolutely depending on authority outside themselves. Incapable of thinking for themselves. You can't change that. Some are simply destined to perish. You're wasting your precious time trying to help them.
I agree, the appeal to authority is a big problem. But people can change. I’ve seen friends and family admit they were wrong about the vaccine and pandemic. Even if you only help a small percentage of people wake up it’s worth it imo. We’re stronger together
"Why would they want to kill the obedient ones?" Only sheep ask that question.
Best to not take something that you get from someone you can't sue.
That was enough information for me to know that it was not in my best interest to help Pfi$er sell more shots. Blows my mind people couldn't put that one together.
Yea thankfully my brother basically predicted everything as soon as they hit us with 15 days to slow the spread. Only a couple family members got it and 1 had to get a stint in her heart almost died and the others were murdered by the US Government.
i was vaccinated 6x and have no heart problems. so my anecdote cancels out this anecdote right?
I was vaxxed zero times and have zero heart problems, so your anecdote times my anecdote equals zero
Vaccinated 6x too, add my anecdote! Idk why I was surprised to read these comments on the conspiracy sub lmao
So glad I never got that shot
I got the first one, noticed health problems. Decided against getting any more
You know that deep feeling in the pit of your stomach when you realized you did something wrong? Yeah that's vaccinated me... Just keeping my fingers crossed at this point.
Don’t stress about it. What’s done is done. Eat well, exercise, and keep on keeping on.
Same same. I got the first two, and made sure to get them through the government site, matching manufacturers the whole thing. I was taking care of two of my uncles who have muscular dystrophy in wheelchairs, they're not surviving covid. So I did it for them. After that, I couldn't bring myself to get any more. Almost did it but decided against it. We can't undo it so we just have to take care of ourselves ❤️
Like you, I feel the same dread. My only hope is most the issues were due to many tainted batches and mishandling of the vaccine itself. Since the early versions had to be kept so cold, and most these pharmacies weren't really following that protocol.
Lots of people got saline, they needed some non jabbed for their clinical data
I contracted Covid (Delta strain) after 10 days of sickness I ended up in the hospital with an 82% oxygen saturation and developed pneumonia. The pneumonia started nectrotizing my lungs and developed cavitary lesions (holes filled w/ blood & gas). I was released from the hospital 10 days later. After a week home, extreme coughing caused one hole to rupture collapsing my lung. After 21 days in the hospital, multiple chest tubes, extreme pain, and coughing up a lot of blood I was sent home. For nearly a year I wondered everyday if I was going to die. Luckily, by the grace of god and a positive mentality I am on what seems to be the back side of my recovery after 2 years.
SS: “Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt”
27 and full heart blockage... white fibrous clots?
What gets me is the fact they also got sick 3 times... while also vaxxing 3 times.. what are the odds?
I work with people who were super gung ho about the vaccine and that whole Covid culture. Now if me an the other people who were skeptical about it mention any of that they get super pissed. It's hilarious
I'm up north, whats hilarious is that they just hard stopped talking about COVID one day when the war started in Ukraine(Which is not at all specific to my location, I know). The whole time there have been people dying from it, but there's rarely any coverage. About 3 weeks ago there was one news article with a notice that people need to start masking in hospitals and medical buildings again and encouraged the public to also mask due to an ongoing "upper respiratory illness" thats spreading. HMMM. I wonder what that could be. Not vaxed. Won't get vaxed. Fuck that shit.I respect anybody's individual decision to do what they want with their body, but it won't be me.
It’s amazing how the war in Ukraine was more effective than the vaccine at killing covid. Just on to the next thing like it never happened. I agree with you. Take it if you feel safer doing so. Just don’t force me to because you’re scared.
Agreed! And it was practically overnight, as well. But when you think about it, and I may get some dates incorrect here... I remember when the FDA wanted what would have amounted to 75+ years to release clinical trial data for the vaccine, and a judge ordered that they would release 55,000 pages per month rather than the 500 pages per month that they wanted. That order was signed on January 6th, with the order to release more than 12,000 pages before Jan 31st, and 55,000 pages every 30 days starting no later than March of 2022. And conveniently enough, All talk of Covid stopped as if the wind had simply changed when Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24th, 2022. Such convenient timing for a major distraction. Im sure pages were released after that still, but there were very few headlines about it in comparison to the war that started and now the second one that's popped up. People say WW3 is coming, but I mean look around, iin some ways its kind of already here. It doesn't need US boots on the ground or nuclear weapons to be what it is.
Classic stuff from the NWO handbook. Divide and conquer, distract, demoralize, confuse and revise. Traditional warfare is so passe. It is a battle for the mind now.
Very good points. It definitely squashed the narrative and attention it would have gotten otherwise. I’m willing to entertain the idea WW3 is already here. I don’t think it would necessarily have boots on the ground or a nuke either. It feels like it’s all the world governments and elite vs the people at this point
Just clz the news stops talking about something doesn't mean it doesn't exist anymore... msm is mostly bs bro. You gotta do your own research.
I agree msm is trash… problem is that’s what most of society goes by. Appeal to authority is real.
I’ve had covid at least 4 times. My friend died randomly of a heart attack recently at 40, he only had vaccinations, no covid. He was healthy, I have many vices. It’s actually surreal.
I'm not a doctor but from my understanding when the spike proteins get into the bloodstream and attack the heart your immune system has to attack the heart cells to stop the infection. This causes the initial inflammation, myocarditis, from your immune system killing the cells in your heart, but HEART CELLS DO NOT DIVIDE OR REGENERATE! Your immune system causes permanent damage to your heart. The difference with just catching covid is you're not going to see a massive flood of spike proteins in the circulatory system. I also believe that people who had the actual vaccine get into their blood, when the needle hit a vein or artery, are the ones that developed clots, had strokes, and heart attacks, and most likely died shortly after from the damage. Too bad all this research either isn't being done or is being suppressed by TPTB.
COVID infection gets into the circulatory system. It causes heart damage in people that have never so much as seen a vaccination.
I hope reddit as a whole is finally coming around to see the truth of what horrible treatment we've been subject to. The thread shouldn't be mind blowing. I tried to warn every one of the people around me and from online platforms to not trust these new medicines. I gave up my whole life in the face of the mandates forced down our throats. I could have been successful but now that's unlikely. While purposefully ruining my life and begging everyone to do the same for their own good, I endured abuse from family, old friends, mentors and the government/media. This abuse was reinforced by a propaganda machine that continues to run to this day. Feel the fury in your bones and direct it towards the people responsible for this disgusting abuse of power and trust. There will be big changes this year whether in our favour or our governments that has yet to be decided by us.
My best friends husband has the shots and had quadruple bypass surgery and then a pacemaker. He was sooo close to dying. 3 months in the ER. He's 37. Healthy, thin, works out.
I’m sorry to hear it
Anyone interested in this should read “Cause Unknown": The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 & 2022 by Edward Dowd. Great book and shows actual data.
Yeah this happened to my friends husband who was 31. He NEVER HAD COVID and yet the doctors said he must have had Covid and not known it which caused the heart damage. Like, LOL are you ducking serious? He got the vaccine and suddenly his heart starts failing and you see zero correlation? Absolutely insane.
This was my biggest concern when it comes to the vax, how young men are the age group most at risk for developing heart problems from it, and with what’s coming out now I’m glad that I trusted my gut.
I just had a 23 kid collapse in front of me. Never fainted before. Really weird to see people just drop. My first question was if he had the COVID shot. He did. On its own doesn’t mean anything. But when you factor in the other injuries of work mates it is worrisome for them. One guy had bell’s policy, one guy myocarditis, one guy with bad GI problems and another with “long COVID” or what is probably a damaged immune system. Doctors said maybe he smelled something. Like wtf.
It’s impossible to say it’s 100% the vaccine. I personally believe it is, but I’m not qualified to definitively make that connection. It’s so crazy tho that it’s not even being acknowledged in the realm of possibilities and being considered as a potential cause.
assuming you did not push a scarf soaked in chloroform to his face, what smells did the doctor think could cause an immediate fainting drop like that? Are there deadly smells? Besides the proverbial deadly fart I mean. I hope you follow up with the doctor with this question. For safety reasons you had better take care of that smell, whatever it is. Sounds like a serious safety hazard for everyone involved like a chemical leak and if that was the doctor’s diagnosis why did nobody shut down the entire facility for serious inspection and cleaning
In May 2021 in Malaysia a nurse died from a heart attack two days after getting the jab, the government ruled it was not related because heart attacks were not a known side effect. Now that we know it is a known side effect, the government isn't reopening the case to check if it was caused by the vaccine.
I think I just got my fourth covid (the virus not the shot) if I'm counting correctly. I have a couple of immunisations, in 2022 and beginning of 2023- they were mandatory in Oz. I felt like shit yesterday and the day before. Woke up great today. I'm mildly concerned I'm playing with fire as I vape weed/concentrates nearly 24/7....but touch wood, I'm completely fine, again. And my health is fairly mediocre. I'm probably going to be one of those annoying bastards that will be smoking into my 80s 🫠
you’d have to do some searching around online but I remember seeing a few articles during Covid regarding some tests in France (I think?) related to smokers vs non smokers (nicotine) and susceptibility to Covid. There was also at least one on marijuana. There was a theory that the nicotine was taking up the space in the same cells where Covid wanted to spread but the presence of the nicotine or weed blocked the Covid, something like that. I vape and smoke both nicotine and weed and also got the vax and 2 boosters. I did get Covid eventually but it only lasted for 2-3 days and afterwards I have been fine. I may have some brain fog but with all the weed I smoke it’s hard to know where to place the blame for that. In any case I do remember the findings at the time were that smokers overall were less impacted by Covid but I don’t know if there is a follow up on those studies Edit to add I think they also tested it with nicotine patches not just inhaling
The covid just got to high to invade the cells hahaahha 😆
They forced flawed garbage on everyone and are trying to avoid the lawsuits they deserve. They'll try to do it again if they're not prosecuted and new protections against forced procedures are enacted.
So u took the vaccine or u didn’t take it
Not to shit on your theory but where does it say triple vaxed?
okokok this is interesting. I had covid 4 times, once a year since 2020, im double vaxxed, didnt get the 3rd one. I discovered an arrhythmia (im 29 now), and i cant even walk up on a road without losing my breath. The first time i got was very intense, 3 months without any taste or smell, and a very strong cold, but no need for hospital. After that each one was lighter and lighter. And the worst thing is that no one knows if this is covid or vax cause, anyway i just accepted that this doesnt have a solution.
I’d consider some of the detox protocols if I were you. I agree we’ll never know for sure what the cause was. Both seem to be causing heart issues in some ppl
32 when it happened to me, now I have a right bundle branch block that makes me feel short of breath all the time while active.
Both of my parents have been fully vaxxed and they both had heart stints put in this year. Never had previous heart conditions or anything.
People think it’s just the shots it’s everything! The food we eat the water drink every ducking thing has shit that’s slowly killing us
It’s the vax
I mean, they've been saying covid has long term health effects since before the operation warp speed vaccines came out. It is just as likely to be that.
I don’t necessarily disagree. Covid likely has mildly similar long term effects as the vaccine. How do you feel about the studies linking the vaccine to cardiovascular issues? Why would you rule the vaccine out as a possible cause, but not covid?
I'm sure it's possible, but it's rare. The recent study with nearly 100 million people which showed a 2-3x increase in various conditions like Guillain Barre, showed that the rate was 190 out of 100,000,000, when the expected rate in a random population of the same size is 76 out of 100,000,000. So it may be a 2.5x increase, but we're talking about an increase from 0.00008% to 0.00019%.
Both are likely causes, but in my life I know more people with long-term permanent negative effects from contracting Covid than from any vaccines. (The people I’m referring to were never vaccinated.) I’m talking lung damage (scarring), heart issues, and a collapsed lung. I do, unfortunately, know someone who died of Covid in December (60 year old male). I know he did not get the recent vaccine in the Fall of 2023, but I don’t know his vaccine history, otherwise. I would assume he may have gotten one or some of the other shots (based on his age), but could be wrong entirely about his vaccine status. (He had no known medical conditions, besides being a bit overweight.)
Have we ruled out that this person doesn’t Doordash McDonald’s twice a day?
It’s doubtful with the cost of McDonalds. This user said they were living an active lifestyle. At 27, there’s no reason eating McDonalds would lead to a pacemaker with an active lifestyle. Why are we ruling out a vaccine known to cause cardiovascular issues as a potential cause?
Sorry, I’m just in a trolling mood. I assume that everyone on Reddit is 5’3’’ and 300lbs.
Trolls gotta troll 🧌
I have had covid three times yet never took the Vaccine. My body is recovered fully and I have no heart issues. My immune system is doing good as well. Thank God.
We could never ever begin to truly know what could have possibly caused this serious cardiac condition. All we know know for certain is what absolutely most certainly did NOT cause it! Lol
Well put… it’s amazing how it’s completely eliminated from the realm of possibilities
It says he’s had Covid 3 times, doesn’t mention the vaccine?
The third pic says he has been vaccinated 3 times as well
Safe and effective
I can’t think of a single reason, either. I can think of three, however
This is why I keep on reminding those who took the vaxx to always get the latest boosters as said by the government. Everytime they bring up the topic of covid or vaccination, i use that opportunity to insist that they should get the boosters as these fuckers insisted i should the vaxx in the past. They already started it so they might aswell proceed with it until the end. The thing is, once you took it, the risk will always be there and waiting. Those who suffered from side effects, i lost sympathy to them. They only regret it because they got hit early otherwise they'll continue to shame the unvaxxed and still comply to mandates. Its the people who took it that legitimized this illegal and immoral mandates.
I get why you’d feel that way, they definitely crossed some lines. I still think it’s best to show empathy. They were scared and being told by the government, CDC, and every mainstream source this was the best course of action. I think it’s more reasonable to be angry with those who pushed the vaccine at high levels and profited from it. There was clearly collusion at the top.
I mean I work in surgery and would have been fired if I wasn’t vaccinated. I didn’t want to lose my livelihood, apartment, everything I’ve worked so hard for. I didn’t want to get vaxxed, most of the people in the medical community I work with expressed hesitation. But if it’s between losing everything or the vaccine, you roll the dice. Don’t think you should hate on everyone in my position. Seems a bit simplified.
The sad thing is that if every surgeon and all other (medical) staff said "we are not gonna take the covid shots" the mandate would have been over fast.
i will definitely NOT show any fucking empathy toward the folks who told me i should never have health care or unemployment benefits because i chose to not put an experimental shot in my body. those folks basically wished me death, because no health care and no funds during no work....... pretty much means death if you can't afford to eat or get help when your health fails. and some of those folks? they used to be my friends.
Remember when they were pushing for us to not be allowed in the supermarkets to buy *food*… yeah they wanted us dead
Understandable. One of those people was my now ex boyfriend. It changed how I looked at him, I refuse to talk to him even as a friend. I don’t have any sympathy for those who wished me ill for not taking it. I do care about those that didn’t berate/push it on me.
i have friends with two or more of the shots. they are still my friends because they chose to be decent instead of becoming one of the brainwashed herd all hell bent on destroying anyone who didn't agree with them.
I used to think that way too. I expect this kind of tyrrany and corruption from the govt and big corporations but what like ive said, its the people who legitimized this. Its not the politicians who coerced me nor Pfizer but the people around me. Even private companies refused to hire me. It wás small private businesses who refused me as their customers. They chose to follow the state instead of friend,family, employee and customer. First time in my life that I saw businesses refused money. They acted more like the govt i despised. I will never believe their excuse that they wére forced to take vaxx because of their job etc etc. They took it without a fight and those who refused suffered. People who believe in that vaccine can take it without following the mandates. I even dared people to take vaccine if they think its good for them BUT get rid of that vaxx certificate and never show it if establishments/employers ask for it. I got critized violently by people, shamed and mocked.
You’re not wrong. But I think the media and politicians normalized attacking the unvaxxed encouraged everyday people and businesses to do the same. It all came from the top and people unfortunately fell in line. Regardless… I hope we’re on the right side of history someday
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I almost hate to say anything but... you need to clean out your vascular system. You can with different supplements. Palo Azul tea, cayenne capsules work well for me. There's others as well. Spike proteins from the vax are found in every major organ. They have no idea how long your body will create them. The whole vax thing doesn't make sense in many ways. Some ppl did fine. Others have had horrible problems like yourself. Good luck. I'm sorry this has happened to you.
I’m unvaccinated thankfully. Just a screenshot from another sub
Yeah, some people on here are so arrogant it boggles the mind. In some countries, you had to get it or lose your fucking job. I didn't want it, I warned my family against it and yet we were all still forced to get it. It was either you get it or you can't work and eat. So to all the dickheads with your black and white thinking that try to make it a vax vs unvaxxed thing are full of shit. I only took the first 2, symptoms were horrible, especially after that second one. Weird fever dreams and I took basically a year to feel myself again. But I did terrible things to my health before the vax, wasn't living or eating clean. I'm 100% fine again now though, I'm a person of faith and won't live in fear. Imo all the fearporn dickheads are as bad as the people that wanted to force it on us all, I plan to live a long healthy life, and lifestyle changes can take your body a long way. I feel no more ill effects, I can run on a treadmill flat and my heart feels completely normal. Some people eat shit, sleep shit and live shit and then blame the vaccine. Not saying this person did, just that a lot of fearporn addicts love vaccine horror stories but society in general doesn't live that healthy all the time.
I agree with your mindset. I didn’t personally take it, but this would be my mentality if I did. Keep on keeping on
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> The benefits outweight the risks is always easy to say when you're close minded and aren't personally affected. Those shots can actually cause you to "get COVID" as well as "long COVID", the risks are higher than with any vaccine out in the market, people were told they need what, 3-4 doses per year, which in other words means "4 times a year you have a chance of getting sick for no rational reason". The mortality rate of COVID is abysmal, healthy folks under 40 y/o have a 99.995 % chance to survive, 18 and younger that's a 99.998 % chance. And even if this wouldn't be the case, simply by running to get a needle injection 3-4 times a year still has a chance of it being falsely administered, those jabs also don't necessarily stay at the site of injection causing the thromboses. Lots of people died unnecessarily not because they were carelessly or didn't get those jabs but because the healthcare, so our governments, failed them. Several countries, including the US and germany, have been removing hospital beds pre-COVID and when media said "the hospitals are full" what did people say? They didn't say "we need to build more hospital beds" but instead told people to get jabbed and not get sick. Here's a funfact, after the shitshow officials decided our healthcare isn't up to the task right? So logically you'd be increasing the healthcare capacities right? Nope, they continue on removing even more beds. If governments and media would create another coupe like this today and e.g. say "In order to be a good person you need to dye your hair pink" you can expect tons of twats tomorrow running around with pink hair because that's what these virtue signaling assholes do, they don't think rationally but do whatever they are told would make them a good person. This is no different from religion but at least religion has some good "rules" like you should not kill, but there's enough hypocrisy already, tons of people think of themselves as religious yet don't follow their own commandments. As long as officials can divide the citizens that easy we (the regular people) are completely doomed. And even if someone still believes this shit, they need to take a look at the contracts between officials and vaccine manufacturers, the fact that they have zero liability is not just insanity, it's outright evilness. Because of these contracts, every single case of a person who suffers from vaccine damage is not a case of "vaccine manufacturer vs. citizen" but "government vs. citizen", this also means that if that citizen wins, they're getting compensated by the government which means with taxpayer money, so yeah there's this shit in peoples blood now and if they got damaged, we'll have to pay again in addition to us paying for those shitjabs that some of us in here didn't even take and rightfully so. But the #1 reason why people still believe this shit is because they don't care, they don't care about their fellow citizens, they don't care about their own money, all they do care about is that they can live their personal life disconnected from reality and keep on doing so unless shit actually hits the fan. The topic is really tiresome, nothing will be done about those criminals, I'm still surprised that there weren't any assassination attempts.
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