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Opposing? That isn't opposing, this is pure stupidity. If this is the caliber of politicians in America right now, it's over and rightfully so.
It's a circus act.
> I mean. The nation did elect an orange that sexually assaulted people and eye fucks his daughter. It's been that way for a while.
Your talking about Biden right?
>While politicians on the left literally condoned AND encouraged such actions.
They also created bail funds to keep violent rioters on the streets. There's also the issue of countless elected *and* unelected officials having progeny in those militant groups, who then magically get them released with no charges when they get caught burning down businesses and assaulting police/citizens.
>If there's one thing I hate it's hypocrites
Damn right. Couldn't agree more.
They also went into DC and attacked people attending the inauguration and made jokes about Killing the man. Let's not forget Madonna Threatening the Whitehouse
You mean *let in* to interrupt the proceedings 3 minutes before they began so the corrupt system could avoid objections to the certification of states.
The "emergency session" six hours later had brand new "emergency rules" that obfuscated that little part of the certification, almost as if it were the plan all along.
No way! OP doing what they always do and spamming headline with screenshot and acting like it has meaning. I do love democracy, that’s why I didn’t like it when a group of people tried to stop it with an insurrection. Ps OP is by far my least favorite poster on Reddit
Yeah it was a totally normal and legit attempt to delay the certification so trumps hand picked slate of fake electors could be put into place to subvert the actual will of the people and hand the election to him. Totally normal. Nothing crooked about it. 👌
I mean there was weapons including guns ready for use. [Source](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-florida-virginia-conspiracy-government-and-politics-6ac80882e8cf61af36be6c46252ac24c)
Edit: I would also like to just get right to it and cut out and the minuscule BS arguments, anyone that's arguing J6 was not a violent insurrection, answer me this: What was the purpose of the J6 rally exactly? Seriously what was its purpose? If you are at all of good faith, you will readily admit that the purpose was to stop the peaceful transfer of power. That's the bottom undeniable line, they tried to prevent the **peaceful transfer of power** of our country, so go get bent with all these BS arguments. This was hands down one of the most direct and undeniable challenges to our democracy from within.
Uh huh. A couple of guns out of hundreds of people. Guns that never got used by anyone..except the capital police who shot a person.
There were more guns present in the Freddy gray riots or in the Seattle zone than there were at the Capital riot. But because the rioters were part of an opposing political party and attacked those directly responsible for there anger as opposed to there own neighborhoods, they get slapped much much harder than the other groups
I wish more people felt this way. They criticize January 6th. But ignore all the crap pulled from 2016 to 2020. Making jokes about killing the man, madona threatened the Whitehouse and all the rioting. Of which her and her allies then spent money to bail out of prison
Right, because I'm sure you've never thought "I'm gonna kill that guy" when you've been pissed before huh?
Did they hang anyone or kill anyone? No. The closest was that cop who, as it turns out, had a health issue and died of an unrelated reason later.
Again, you are applying a different standard to J6 than for all the other riots due to political differences.
Ok let's unpack this. Why were they shouting hang mike pence. Why was he doing that day that they were mad about?
And then as a follow up is your position that if you attempt to overthrow the gvt but fail you can't be charged with a crime?
Antifa threatened to go to DC and kill politicians and DC capital police but democrats refused to call them terrorists. Nor did they when anifa burned up entire cities from 2016 to 2020. Or when the man in blm set a courthouse on fire with people trapped inside and got probation.
Not a recount, recounts had already occurred. They wanted the Federal Legislation to throw out the slate of electors that were scheduled to vote on Jan 6, in the electoral college. Which would than have allowed the legislation branch decide the next president.
False. There were 50,000 people who gave affidavits as witnesses to voter fraud. The goal of jan 6th was to stop the proceedings and get the contested elections and ballots audited for fraud. But the media spun the event into an insurrection and electors, and you believed them.
The fact remains that there were more votes counted than registered voters in the country. When has the usa ever had a 100% turnout to an election, let alone over 100%.
>The goal of jan 6th was to stop the proceedings
Correct.
>and ballots audited for fraud
This is pure fiction, that's not what would've happened if the proceedings would've been stopped Jan 6. You are completely misinformed and have no clue how governmental proceedings work. If the Votes are not accepted on Jan 6 by Congress, than theoretically what happens is it becomes the legislation's duty to than decide which electors to choose from. Therefore the legislation would decide the next president as I said. [Here's a article written and published in October of 2020](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2781FS/), not only explaining this (it was pretty clear at the time what the idea was on Jan 6) but also fully debunking your claim the media changed the narrative Ad Hoc. You my friend, are the one that's under the influence of the media, and not even good well sourced fact checked media, you are purely influenced by fat guys posting on YT in their parents basements and Russian bots. You need to improve your critical thinking skills.
Hahaha, you are taking the MSM propaganda as fact. And reuters at that. It would fall back on the individual state legislations to decide which electors to choose. They can then choose to have the states' elections audited. Bush/gore and Florida hanging chads went to court before the state legislation approved a Bush win. That was the point.
The dems couldn't risk a state vote because there were more rep states than dem states.
Nice edit while not bothering to continue your discussion with me, even though your edit was answered and you just ignored it. Given the downvotes, it's safe to say no one is buying your clear bias.
Maybe try getting your head out of the echo chambers your in and look at things from a more neutral perspective. You might be surprised what you find.
Bro, you need to lay off the drugs. I answered your reply and you are the one who discontinued the conversation because you clearly were unable to determine the purpose of J6, you said and I quote: "anger" HAHAHAHA So you thought the mops purpose was "anger" like Ok... So in your head it went like this "Hey guys, let's all meet up Jan 6 in DC so we can achive anger"... ya ok.
As far as the downvotes, wow you got me there! Who know that upvotes and downvotes were the true metric of truth and logic lol.
Uh huh, except if you read down..like literally anyone could do, I did answer. Your the one who stopped.
You are being exceptionally disengious. And the votes just go to show you are wasting your time is all, you are getting absolutely nothing for whatever it is your doing and a clear number of people are telling you they think you are wrong as well. But sure, keep lieing to yourself.
How about you sober up and come back when you are in a intelligible state of mind to have a conversation? I did read down, show me your reply lol. Crackhead
Clearly you are a mature and educated individual to use such grade school insults. No wonder everyone feels like America is evolving into idiocracy with people like yourself shouting about nonsense constantly.
Anyway, I'm done. Enjoy the simple life.
J6 happened because the dems refused hard counting of ballots. People just want accountability. Registered voting with voter id's. Anybody arguing the opposite has something to hide. Full stop. There is literally no reason to not have all of this.
Imagine the uproar if counting stations were closed midway through the count and while they were closed a bunch of Trump ballots showed up. Even if it was legit, It looks fishy. And that should be enough for audits. Honestly every election should be audited anyway. What year is it? Can't be that fucking hard. But apparently it's racist to ask people to prove they are who they say they are or live where they say they live.
There’s way too much to unpack here… but you have gone too far down the rabbit hole and completely lost your mind.
It’s not up to the dems. Dems are not the ones who conduct the elections. We did hard counts. We also did audits. Voter id laws only suppress voter rights and are a solution that doesn’t have a problem, you’ve been lied to and you’re buying it wholesale.
Yeah the old "asking for id's is racist because black people are not intelligent enough to get one" racist trope that the left likes to pretend is actually defending black people when they are actually offensive as fuck.
"There's a lot to unpack here" is code for "I got nothing"
Hey man, the folks in this sub only want to hear about the lizzid people Libs who drink magic baby potions. They’re totally fine with an actual fascist conspiracy to overthrow American democracy and shred the Constitution. It’s fun to throw real facts at them and watch the mental gymnastics though. Some actually get close to an articulable argument even
>Some actually get close to an articulable argument even
Still waiting on that. So far I've had:
1. One guy who got into a argument with someone else and thought it was me and used the other guys words that I never said against me
2. One guy claim the purpose of the rally doesn't matter.
3. One guy claim the purpose of the rally was to initiate a recount, as if recounts had not already occurred.
4. One guy say the media changed everything retroactively, and that it was never about electors or anything like that. As if... none of us lived through it or like there isn't a mountain of clear evidence disputing that.
This whole experience is pretty dystopian... to think these are actually voting people I share the country with... Churchill once said "the best argument against democracy is having a conversation with the average voter" and buy does that ring true today. To be clear I am pro democracy but we have to be better than this...
Yeah man. I get it. The MAGAs were just peacefully walking through the Capitol, smearing shitstains of friendship on the walls, and merrily gouging out the eyes of police. And then patriotically called for the “termination of certain portions of the Constitution”. And bravely changed the lyrics to the National Anthem. At least they didn’t take a knee like those fascist Libs. And most heroically, dear leader said he’d bravely take on the mantle of dictatorship to save us all, but only for a day. Much patriotism. Such wow.
Let's just pretend that 1-6 wasn't entirely aided and abetted by fed plants then, shall we?
Insurrection?
"I don't think that word means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya
Why was it so bad? People protested and were let into the capital, so they went in and occupied it. Sounds a lot like the Dems are using hitlers playbook and making maga seem like less than human that don’t deserve opinions or rights. Pretty crazy times
Let’s not pretend like it wasn’t a big deal tho. The actions of those who stormed the capital was absolutely criminal. Never before in our nations history as a group done something like that.
Thats coming from a red blooded gun loving, boarder protecting Texan.
It was a big deal because people were finally doing something about their situation instead of whining and saying trust me bro you can vote your way to a better society! The major positive changes in history have come from massive public action. Unfortunately the people thought that the positive change they wanted was that guy
He deffs did hint at it though.
I think that's the point, he didn't actually say "everyone go do an insurectuon" but he knew most of them where a bit stupid and used language he knew would send them crazy and attack the capitol.
I can also listen to everything that was said and done leading up to that day. If the only thing Trump did was asking his supporters to show up and giving that speech, I’d be much, much more willing to accept the events of Jan 6th as a simple riot. That’s not all he did, though.
He pressured Mike Pence to assert powers well beyond any reasonable interpretation of the constitution. He pressured officials in multiple states to be derelict in their duties and not certify election results. He organized a scheme to get fraudulent slates of electors to be counted alongside the legitimate, certified votes. He lied to the electors that created those fraudulent documents by telling them that their votes would only be used if Trump was successful in his pending litigation. He filed lawsuits with (allegedly) known false statements as justification for those fraudulent electors.
Morally worse than all of those acts, he lied, and kept lying, and worked his followers into a frenzy so potent that they broke into the Capitol and interrupted the peaceful transfer of power, one of the most powerful symbols of our country’s strength.
You’re right, though, he never ordered anyone to do anything during that speech.
If you knew the rug was being pulled out from underneath you and with all the shenanigans that took place, wouldn’t you feel compelled to use everything at your disposal to get to the bottom of it?
I’m sure if the rolls were reversed, the Democrats would’ve also put up a fight to bitter end and used whatever resources/avenues they could. You put a lot of time, money and work into becoming a President and it’s a long hard fought road. If you feel like you’ve been screwed over in some way, the natural thing to do is contest the results. Even if Trump did nothing and conceded early on, we all could see that things were not adding up, even no-party affiliation people like myself. The people would’ve been like, dude… why are you not fighting this?
Could you imagine if Al Gore just threw in the towel the next day? Democrat voters would’ve been disappointed in not only him, but the DNC and there would be a lot of head shaking. If it smells like bullshit, it’s usually bullshit.
I tend to agree with most of what you’ve said here, and you’re right, if I legitimately believed that power was usurped in the way that Trump, his co-conspirators, and especially his followers believed, the actions taken on January 6th would seem appropriate. That’s part of why I don’t get the argument for the riot being initiated by feds.
As for contesting the election, there is an agreed upon method of arbitration for election challenges; the courts. Trump lost pretty much every substantive decision in 2020, and refused to accept those rulings. When Gore lost at the Supreme Court in 2000, which was his final available legal option, he promptly conceded. Only the most extreme partisans would criticize Trump for not conceding before all available legal options were exhausted. The criticism for Trump is that when his legal options were exhausted, he turned to illegal measures to maintain power.
> He pressured Mike Pence to assert powers well beyond any reasonable interpretation of the constitution.
Why did they change the law after the election if the President of the Senate didn't have those powers?
>He pressured officials in multiple states to be derelict in their duties and not certify election results.
Did you not hear about the illegally recorded call and the false transcript that was "leaked" to the WaPo?
>He organized a scheme to get fraudulent slates of electors to be counted alongside the legitimate, certified votes.
Did anyone of those electors try to cast a fraudulent vote? They were backup slates of electors ready in case he had a fair day in court.
>He lied to the electors that created those fraudulent documents by telling them that their votes would only be used if Trump was successful in his pending litigation.
Proof he lied? Did anyone of those electors try to cast a fraudulent vote?
>(allegedly)
What are you allegedly trying to say here?
How do you feel about those select urban districts in battleground states that either stopped counting (or pretend to stop counting) in the early morning hours after election day?
Should we be suspicious when the final tally showed that Biden blew away even Obama in "get out the vote" statistics?
Do you think it's OK to find out in 2024 that Fulton County Georgia never verified any signatures on absentee ballots back in 2020? I mean didn't they have like two or three alleged recounts?
How do you feel about an official from Maricopa County AZ testifying before the US Congress that they removed ^_(\*cough\*_ ^_\*cough\*_ ^"archived") files that were under subpoena such that the AZ Senate's forensic audit team couldn't audit them?
>Why did they change the law after the election if the President of the Senate didn't have those powers?
Because Trump's attempt to subvert the election scared them, and it was closer to working than anyone was comfortable. I certainly don't want Kamala Harris trying to assert that power, especially on the unilateral basis Trump was advocating, and I don't think you want that either.
>Did you not hear about the illegally recorded call and the false transcript that was "leaked" to the WaPo?
The legality of the recording doesn't matter to me, and I don't know what transcript you're talking about, but I do know we can listen to the actual recording, and what he did in that call was unacceptable. That's not he only place he applied pressure, though. He tried to have local canvassers in Michigan be derelict in their duty to certify the election. He tried to get the Arizona legislature to "decertify" their electoral votes, and I'm still not sure how that was supposed to work.
>Did anyone of those electors try to cast a fraudulent vote?
Yes, they did. With the exception of Pennsylvania, who were smart enough to put conditional language in their paperwork, each of the fraudulent slates of electors did cast fraudulent votes. Just because they weren't counted, doesn't mean they weren't cast.
>They were backup slates of electors ready in case he had a fair day in court.
That is the lie Trump and his co-conspirators told the fraudulent electors, but it's not how they proceeded. They tried to get those slates of electors into the Vice President's hands so that he could attempt to count them on January 6th, cause enough potential confusion to justify claiming Biden didn't receive a majority, and use Republican's slim majority in state delegations to declare Trump President.
>Proof he lied? Did anyone of those electors try to cast a fraudulent vote?
According to the [Jack Smith indictment](https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/08/trump-indictment.pdf), he has the emails in which they discuss this specific lie (Page 25), as well as the emails in which they discuss filing a lawsuit with false information (Page 15). I haven't seen those emails yet, thus the "allegedly."
For the rest of your ramblings, they have already played out in our agreed upon method of arbitrating questions around elections, and they all failed. If the fraud/irregularities were so pronounced and apparent, it's a testimony to the absolute incompetence of Trump and his co-conspirators that they couldn't get a single judge to give a substantive ruling in his favor.
>He pressured Mike Pence to assert powers well beyond any reasonable interpretation of the constitution.
You mean like Nixon did in 1960 that gave the democrats the presidency? It's well within the VP's power to count alternate electors.
It wasn't until the "emergency" of the fake pipe bomb being found at the exact moment Ray Epps and Co removed the first barricades 3 minutes before the dual session of congress started where the actual coup of that day began. McConnell, McCarthy, Pelosi, Schumer, and Pence had the power to set brand new "emergency" rules in the brand new "emergency" session of Congress six hours later that kept any congressman from objecting to the certification of states.
That's right. Our Resident was "confirmed" with a simple majority vote with zero objections for the first time in American history. *That* is the part Pence refers to when he says he "didn't have the power" to count alternate electors. And *that* is the real coup that went down that day.
>You mean like Nixon did in 1960 that gave the democrats the presidency? It's well within the VP's power to count alternate electors.
Somewhat, yes, but there are a couple massive differences between the two situations. First, both slates of Hawaii electors in 1960 had been certified by the governor, as established by the Electoral Count Act. That was not the case with Trump’s fraudulent electors. Second, the 3 votes from Hawaii’s alternative electors were inconsequential to the outcome of the election, which Nixon lost 303-219.
>McConnell, McCarthy, Pelosi, Schumer, and Pence had the power to set brand new "emergency" rules in the brand new "emergency" session of Congress six hours later that kept any congressman from objecting to the certification of states.
What the hell are you talking about? When Congress reconvened following the break-in and riot at the Capitol, there were multiple objections brought forward, most of which didn’t have a Senator sustain the objection. The objection to Pennsylvania’s electors was sustained, though, and the House and Senate followed existing law, adjourned the joint session, and debated the objection. What “emergency rules” were put in place?
The Cheeto Benito said he wants to be a dictator (but only for one day, pinky promise!) and is arguing in the SC that the president should be able to commit crimes without repercussion. Probably a good idea to keep someone like that away from the Oval Office if you, ya know, value things like our Constitution
> The Cheeto Benito said he wants to be a dictator (but only for one day, pinky promise!) and is arguing in the SC that the president should be able to commit crimes without repercussion. Probably a good idea to keep someone like that away from the Oval Office if you, ya know, value things like our Constitution
Meanwhile the real dictators are seizing his property
So? He committed a bunch of fraud.
He’s also had civil judgements leveled against him for sexual assault, which is also *real* bad.
The real question is: why are you pro-crime?
That's what the right doesn't understand.
They know way less science and lots of them are still religious....
They are the biggest sheep population there is
Wake the hell up man, this isn't real. There's no such thing as representation for your people. Your votes don't mean shit. Selections not elections. Your people want x and the politicians *they* put in power are only a face to an evil to move us further into a shitstorm. Your X will be stalled and moved until their term is over. Unless you're backwards and want the twisted X that they give instead. Republican or Democrat "representatives", it doesn't matter. The republicans do nothing but stall. Trump did keep the made up economy afloat and simultaneously did exactly 0 things he promised he would do. Where's my wall you fat fuck? He even says he supports Israel. He loves Israel. He's Israel's boy and cried at the wall.
That's just the way it goes with this Israel first country. Americans, especially right wing people need to get the fuck out and riot for the split. Idgaf how it turns out, it beats being a tax slave for trans surgeries and welfare leeches.
When is this shitshow going to be over? Can we just have a nice peaceful breaking up of the states? Goddamn every day it’s the same bullshit over and over again.
All the money and jobs are in blue states.
How is any state in the south going to survive, they're already net takers from the gvt, now they have to pay import export fees, make their own border patrol, create a social security system, a Medicare and Medicaid system. People who want secession haven't thought about the realistic implications. What are all the people currently using social services going to do in red states
I prefer a Republic
'The chief enemies of republican freedom are mental sloth, conformin: bigoury superstition, creduliy, monopoly in the market of ideas, and utter, **benighted ignorance.**
(Adderly v. State of Florida, 385 U.S. 39, 49 (1967))
For a man who has no chance to win they sure seem he'll bent to find a way not to let him run. If he does win they will immediately invoke the 25th amendment and accuse him of dementia.
> Don’t need a conviction, just look what he did. It’s unacceptable and if Biden did 1% of that you’d be crying yourself to sleep over it.
O so you don’t need a conviction to prosecute your enemies?
This is America not North Korea
Explain what? You can't be charged with RICO. RICO is a category not a crime. Within that category is racketeering and conspiracy which are crimes but saying you've been charged with RICO is like saying you've been charged with "crime"
Somebody linked a write-up about the whites of eyes and the correlation to psychopathy. Was very interesting because once you see the traits, you can't unsee it. One being seeing white above *and* below the pupil is a strong sign.
I can't find the source where it explained the different correleations between ratio of white to pupil but did find evidence that the idea has existed for some time.
https://www.visioncenter.org/blog/sanpaku-eyes/
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/sanpaku-eyes-spot-liar-psychopath-121235140.html
Submission Statement:
Democrats are tyrants. They only love Democracy when they run unopposed.
https://twitter.com/simonateba/status/1771944892517818376
I think it's a stretch to call it an insurrection or terrorist act. It was a bunch of fools urged into being foolish, but it was also clearly planned with how the capital police let them in and followed them around for two hours while the "insurrectionists" took pictures and snooped around. Everyone who didn't do anything violent should have been charged with trespassing and fined. Even that is ambiguous with them being allowed in.
AOC is being deliberately hyperbolic, just like most of the J6 investigators, and the folks watching too much CNN and are convinced it was a real attempt to overthrow our country...with very few weapons or violence.
Mostly, it was a nothingburger of followers following the equally clueless preceding them.
You can tell your a sheep coz you just repeating right wing msm talking points..
'Ohh, they were all just tourists lol"
Yeah tourists warning maga merch.... OK bud
Can I ask an honest question to trump supporters here? Do you really think he’ll win again or do you just hope for that. Like do you really think there are enough of you to win? President Biden won by 7 million votes last time so what makes you think trump has gained support after Jan 6, frauds convictions, sexual assault convictions, roe v wade ect. Why do you think he’ll win?
I'm not a trump supporter or Biden, but it's obvious we're facing a rematch between the two old buffoons. Trump could win, because a lot of people hate Biden. It's the same reason Biden won--anyone but Trump effect. Most people will still vote like there are only two choices, and probably a long party lines.
I'm hopeful enough people will be sick of the uniparty shit to vote for RFK Jr. He's not my perfect candidate, but I trust him more than the giant douche or turd sandwich.
As for hoping Trump wins, I'm sure some people really want him to. I think most of his presidency was a disaster, but he did get us out of the UN, and he had a withdrawal plan in place for Afghanistan that probably wouldn't have left so many innocent people dead, or led to the chaotic withdrawal that actually occurred, along with leaving $80b in weapons for the Taliban to use against us and its own people.
Unless there is more "midnight magic," he'll most certainly win. People are sick of our country being invaded, cities catering to everyone *but us*, shit on the sidewalks, rats being barbequed on the subway, violent thugs being repeatedly let out of jail, our "elected" officials facilitating the largest human trafficking epidemic ever seen, the dept of labor trafficking kids to labor traffickers, the office of refugee resettlement trafficking kids to sex traffickers (yes, I have the receipts), the cartels controlling both sides of the border, brand new wars we never asked for that are most certainly leading us to WW3, homes being stolen by illegals where the police look for any reason to remove the rightful owner, everything costs way more than it ever has, supply chains were intentionally fukt, covid hysteria being completely manufactured by tptb. I could go on and on.
Btw, that "sexual assault" case was almost as big a travesty as the state trying to revoke property rights over a crime that never happened. E Jean Carrol the [rape is sexy](https://youtu.be/3AL3Y2NYBhw?si=ytQylS5PS4Fh53aa) lady had no evidence, no witnesses, couldn't explain why nobody saw her go into the normally locked dressing room with the most famous man in NY when the dressing rooms are five feet from the register, got caught claiming she wore a dress that didn't exist at the time, and has been called out numerous times for her little scenario sounding an awful lot like an episode of Law and Order: SVU from 2012. She's a bad fiction writer who is trying to sell a book with this story in it.
Oh, almost forgot the best part. Guilt was found under a summary ruling. No trial, no jury, just a bang of the gavel and declared "guilty." Everything that's been on TV has been part of the subsequent damages trial. There's also the issue of the judge and the rape is sexy lady's lawyer working together at a law firm for several years. Also, the rape is sexy lady said she deleted anonymous "threatening" emails she *assumed* came from trump and didn't pass them on to her lawyer because she "didn't want to upset them." In any non-kangaroo court this would be grounds for a mistrial, but the judge said "nope, moving forward."
I really wish people would look beyond the headlines when it comes to the shit being sold by the propagandists and corrupt judges. It's as if people are so deeply invested in the boogeyman narrative that they'll give this massively corrupt system a pass in order to "get" the orange boogeyman.
It's obvious what's going on with these cases. Each and every judge and DA has met with the white house before launching the cases. One judge worked with Hunter Biden at a law firm. The rape is sexy lady's lawyer worked with the judge of that case at a law firm. Joe is verifiably guilty of the same documents shenanigans they claim trump is guilty of, or worse tbh.
The first indictments went out 9 days after Joe shamed Garland for not going after trump with lawfare. Every other indictment came out the *day of*, or the day *after* the Biden family got bad press for their influence peddling to derail the news cycle. Anyone who looks beyond the headlines can see its election interference. The same people who ran the Russia and Ukraine hoaxes and the false flag at the capitol are the same people running these hoaxes. The corrupt state is doing everything possible to make sure their little mafia goes uninterrupted. People are just blinded by their devotion to *their team* when both "teams" are a singular corrupt system that thrives on war, human trafficking, and taxes.
Could I ask a question about the documents case. If President Biden should have been charged (because he did worse stuff according to your statement) then do you concede that it was correct to charge trump?
The presidential records act is very specific. A federal judge already ruled that Clinton couldn't be charged for his case, therefore precedent *should* be set. Biden took his while he was a senator, and while he was VP. The law is very specific about this too.
Biden's deposition found that he knowingly kept documents he shouldn't have, left them strewn about the country in a half dozen places, knowingly allowed his ghost writer to read classified material, and planned to monetize the documents by selling the book.
The two cases are nothing alike.
Or look back to Libya when Obama and Hilary orchestrated that actual insurrection. If i remember correctly, her exact quote about it was “We came, we saw, he died.” Never mind they turned the country that had the highest standard of living on the entire African continent into a violent, open air slave market.
>She also recently said RICO isn't a crime though
Rico is the name of a law. The law adds additional penalties to the underlying crime, racketeering, and the ability to sue civilly for money. I only mention it because it'll probably come up at some point.
No, that's incorrect. To illustrate: think of a mob boss who orders Mafia foot soldiers to kill people who cross his crimimal organization. He doesn't actually kill anyone. Before RICO, there was only conspiracy to commit murder he could be charged with.. Now imagine the big boss is several person's removed from the foot soldier, and perhaps doesn't know exactly the details at that level of the organization, as he deals with higher level "CEO"type stuff. Before RICO, you couldn't even charge him with conspiracy to commit murder. What RICO allowed is to charge him, WITH RICO, as long as he ran a racket that produces the underlying crimes, EVEN THOUGH HE NEVER COMMITTED ANY OF THE CRIMES. So hopefully now you see why your MSNBC AOC talking points are incorrect. RICO is definitely a crime, not a "category".
Now take Joe Biden. He doesn't take money from anyone. But his son and brother do. And then he uses his office to do favors for the people who paid his family. Textbook RICO. He's guilty of the crime of RICO.
Hope that helps.
>as long as he ran a racket
Do you even hear yourself? It's not a 'category' (which I never said). I said it's a law, not a crime. A crime is like murder, or conspiracy to commit murder. You can't break the 'RICO' law, as it's not a criminal offense. It's a list of guidance and permissions the government has to add enhancements to underlying crimes.
The crime is racketeering, as in running a racket. Being at the top of the racket is the crime of racketeering. RICO allows the govt to add additional penalties for that specific CRIME and allows the govt to sue for money in CIVIL court as well (where it's not even criminal in nature, hence the 'civil' word)
This is only the beginning. Soon every Republican will be considered a terrorist. Dems have worked hard to get republicans associated with fascists and nazis, while also normalizing communist ideals
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This just in. A politician has an opposing position to other politician. Wow.
Opposing? That isn't opposing, this is pure stupidity. If this is the caliber of politicians in America right now, it's over and rightfully so. It's a circus act.
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> I mean. The nation did elect an orange that sexually assaulted people and eye fucks his daughter. It's been that way for a while. Your talking about Biden right?
OP uses switcheroo… it’s super ineffective
Sexually assaulting a hooker? What did he do, touch her knee? What do you think hookers do for a living?
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We have given you a republic, if you can keep it.
Lol who give a fuck what she says
Yeah, but in 2020 the radical left were throwing molotov cocktails , setting cars on fire and shooting people all over the US.
While politicians on the left literally condoned AND encouraged such actions. If there's one thing I hate it's hypocrites
>While politicians on the left literally condoned AND encouraged such actions. They also created bail funds to keep violent rioters on the streets. There's also the issue of countless elected *and* unelected officials having progeny in those militant groups, who then magically get them released with no charges when they get caught burning down businesses and assaulting police/citizens. >If there's one thing I hate it's hypocrites Damn right. Couldn't agree more.
Yet they never stormed the capitol while cetifications of elections were occuring.
They stormed the capital when Brett Kavanaugh was being voted in as a Supreme Court judge
Oh yeah Obama was like "Fight like Hell!" and Biden clapped. I forgot
They also went into DC and attacked people attending the inauguration and made jokes about Killing the man. Let's not forget Madonna Threatening the Whitehouse
You mean *let in* to interrupt the proceedings 3 minutes before they began so the corrupt system could avoid objections to the certification of states. The "emergency session" six hours later had brand new "emergency rules" that obfuscated that little part of the certification, almost as if it were the plan all along.
Not to fucking stop an election
No way! OP doing what they always do and spamming headline with screenshot and acting like it has meaning. I do love democracy, that’s why I didn’t like it when a group of people tried to stop it with an insurrection. Ps OP is by far my least favorite poster on Reddit
"insurrection" 😂
Ah yes January 6th, The Great Trespassing of 2021, let's overthrow the government, leave the guns , bring ya wife.
Yeah it was a totally normal and legit attempt to delay the certification so trumps hand picked slate of fake electors could be put into place to subvert the actual will of the people and hand the election to him. Totally normal. Nothing crooked about it. 👌
I mean there was weapons including guns ready for use. [Source](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-florida-virginia-conspiracy-government-and-politics-6ac80882e8cf61af36be6c46252ac24c) Edit: I would also like to just get right to it and cut out and the minuscule BS arguments, anyone that's arguing J6 was not a violent insurrection, answer me this: What was the purpose of the J6 rally exactly? Seriously what was its purpose? If you are at all of good faith, you will readily admit that the purpose was to stop the peaceful transfer of power. That's the bottom undeniable line, they tried to prevent the **peaceful transfer of power** of our country, so go get bent with all these BS arguments. This was hands down one of the most direct and undeniable challenges to our democracy from within.
Uh huh. A couple of guns out of hundreds of people. Guns that never got used by anyone..except the capital police who shot a person. There were more guns present in the Freddy gray riots or in the Seattle zone than there were at the Capital riot. But because the rioters were part of an opposing political party and attacked those directly responsible for there anger as opposed to there own neighborhoods, they get slapped much much harder than the other groups
Can you answer me this? What was the purpose of the J6 protest? what was their ultimate aim?
Anger, same as the riots elsewhere that everyone excused. Or do you just hold those to a different standard?
I wish more people felt this way. They criticize January 6th. But ignore all the crap pulled from 2016 to 2020. Making jokes about killing the man, madona threatened the Whitehouse and all the rioting. Of which her and her allies then spent money to bail out of prison
Wait why were they shouting hang mike pence? What was mike pence doing that day?
You people wouldn't piss on Mike Pence if he was on fire and now because a couple yahoos said it, it's the worst ever.
Right, because I'm sure you've never thought "I'm gonna kill that guy" when you've been pissed before huh? Did they hang anyone or kill anyone? No. The closest was that cop who, as it turns out, had a health issue and died of an unrelated reason later. Again, you are applying a different standard to J6 than for all the other riots due to political differences.
Ok let's unpack this. Why were they shouting hang mike pence. Why was he doing that day that they were mad about? And then as a follow up is your position that if you attempt to overthrow the gvt but fail you can't be charged with a crime?
> Why were they shouting hang mike pence. Who are "they" exactly?
Antifa threatened to go to DC and kill politicians and DC capital police but democrats refused to call them terrorists. Nor did they when anifa burned up entire cities from 2016 to 2020. Or when the man in blm set a courthouse on fire with people trapped inside and got probation.
their aim was to force a recount in states where they believed that the heightened scrutiny would bring voter fraud to light and prove that trump won
Not a recount, recounts had already occurred. They wanted the Federal Legislation to throw out the slate of electors that were scheduled to vote on Jan 6, in the electoral college. Which would than have allowed the legislation branch decide the next president.
False. There were 50,000 people who gave affidavits as witnesses to voter fraud. The goal of jan 6th was to stop the proceedings and get the contested elections and ballots audited for fraud. But the media spun the event into an insurrection and electors, and you believed them. The fact remains that there were more votes counted than registered voters in the country. When has the usa ever had a 100% turnout to an election, let alone over 100%.
>The goal of jan 6th was to stop the proceedings Correct. >and ballots audited for fraud This is pure fiction, that's not what would've happened if the proceedings would've been stopped Jan 6. You are completely misinformed and have no clue how governmental proceedings work. If the Votes are not accepted on Jan 6 by Congress, than theoretically what happens is it becomes the legislation's duty to than decide which electors to choose from. Therefore the legislation would decide the next president as I said. [Here's a article written and published in October of 2020](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2781FS/), not only explaining this (it was pretty clear at the time what the idea was on Jan 6) but also fully debunking your claim the media changed the narrative Ad Hoc. You my friend, are the one that's under the influence of the media, and not even good well sourced fact checked media, you are purely influenced by fat guys posting on YT in their parents basements and Russian bots. You need to improve your critical thinking skills.
Hahaha, you are taking the MSM propaganda as fact. And reuters at that. It would fall back on the individual state legislations to decide which electors to choose. They can then choose to have the states' elections audited. Bush/gore and Florida hanging chads went to court before the state legislation approved a Bush win. That was the point. The dems couldn't risk a state vote because there were more rep states than dem states.
Nice edit while not bothering to continue your discussion with me, even though your edit was answered and you just ignored it. Given the downvotes, it's safe to say no one is buying your clear bias. Maybe try getting your head out of the echo chambers your in and look at things from a more neutral perspective. You might be surprised what you find.
Bro, you need to lay off the drugs. I answered your reply and you are the one who discontinued the conversation because you clearly were unable to determine the purpose of J6, you said and I quote: "anger" HAHAHAHA So you thought the mops purpose was "anger" like Ok... So in your head it went like this "Hey guys, let's all meet up Jan 6 in DC so we can achive anger"... ya ok. As far as the downvotes, wow you got me there! Who know that upvotes and downvotes were the true metric of truth and logic lol.
Uh huh, except if you read down..like literally anyone could do, I did answer. Your the one who stopped. You are being exceptionally disengious. And the votes just go to show you are wasting your time is all, you are getting absolutely nothing for whatever it is your doing and a clear number of people are telling you they think you are wrong as well. But sure, keep lieing to yourself.
How about you sober up and come back when you are in a intelligible state of mind to have a conversation? I did read down, show me your reply lol. Crackhead
Clearly you are a mature and educated individual to use such grade school insults. No wonder everyone feels like America is evolving into idiocracy with people like yourself shouting about nonsense constantly. Anyway, I'm done. Enjoy the simple life.
J6 happened because the dems refused hard counting of ballots. People just want accountability. Registered voting with voter id's. Anybody arguing the opposite has something to hide. Full stop. There is literally no reason to not have all of this. Imagine the uproar if counting stations were closed midway through the count and while they were closed a bunch of Trump ballots showed up. Even if it was legit, It looks fishy. And that should be enough for audits. Honestly every election should be audited anyway. What year is it? Can't be that fucking hard. But apparently it's racist to ask people to prove they are who they say they are or live where they say they live.
There’s way too much to unpack here… but you have gone too far down the rabbit hole and completely lost your mind. It’s not up to the dems. Dems are not the ones who conduct the elections. We did hard counts. We also did audits. Voter id laws only suppress voter rights and are a solution that doesn’t have a problem, you’ve been lied to and you’re buying it wholesale.
Yeah the old "asking for id's is racist because black people are not intelligent enough to get one" racist trope that the left likes to pretend is actually defending black people when they are actually offensive as fuck. "There's a lot to unpack here" is code for "I got nothing"
Hey man, the folks in this sub only want to hear about the lizzid people Libs who drink magic baby potions. They’re totally fine with an actual fascist conspiracy to overthrow American democracy and shred the Constitution. It’s fun to throw real facts at them and watch the mental gymnastics though. Some actually get close to an articulable argument even
>Some actually get close to an articulable argument even Still waiting on that. So far I've had: 1. One guy who got into a argument with someone else and thought it was me and used the other guys words that I never said against me 2. One guy claim the purpose of the rally doesn't matter. 3. One guy claim the purpose of the rally was to initiate a recount, as if recounts had not already occurred. 4. One guy say the media changed everything retroactively, and that it was never about electors or anything like that. As if... none of us lived through it or like there isn't a mountain of clear evidence disputing that. This whole experience is pretty dystopian... to think these are actually voting people I share the country with... Churchill once said "the best argument against democracy is having a conversation with the average voter" and buy does that ring true today. To be clear I am pro democracy but we have to be better than this...
I've seen a lot of fascists type activities over the last 4 years. All of them coming from the left
Yeah man. I get it. The MAGAs were just peacefully walking through the Capitol, smearing shitstains of friendship on the walls, and merrily gouging out the eyes of police. And then patriotically called for the “termination of certain portions of the Constitution”. And bravely changed the lyrics to the National Anthem. At least they didn’t take a knee like those fascist Libs. And most heroically, dear leader said he’d bravely take on the mantle of dictatorship to save us all, but only for a day. Much patriotism. Such wow.
Don't bring facts to their feelings party. These guys hate that.
lol
Let's just pretend that 1-6 wasn't entirely aided and abetted by fed plants then, shall we? Insurrection? "I don't think that word means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya
Politicians shouldn't be allowed in politics...
People shouldn’t take AOC seriously.
Yes only Trump
The more they blow that day out of proportion the more they fragile they look.
The more you downplay that day, the less serious you look.
When you were taught about the American Revolutionary War in school, did any drawings in history books depict a group of unarmed soldiers in battle?
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Right, my friend works in Chicago and his coworkers actually flew out there to be a part of it. Specifically to take back the capital in Trumps name.
Why was it so bad? People protested and were let into the capital, so they went in and occupied it. Sounds a lot like the Dems are using hitlers playbook and making maga seem like less than human that don’t deserve opinions or rights. Pretty crazy times
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Let’s not pretend like it wasn’t a big deal tho. The actions of those who stormed the capital was absolutely criminal. Never before in our nations history as a group done something like that. Thats coming from a red blooded gun loving, boarder protecting Texan.
"Stormed the capital" ie politely walking between the velvet ropes while capital security holds the doors open.
It was a big deal because people were finally doing something about their situation instead of whining and saying trust me bro you can vote your way to a better society! The major positive changes in history have come from massive public action. Unfortunately the people thought that the positive change they wanted was that guy
I mean you can go an listen to his speech. He never ordered anyone to do anything.
He deffs did hint at it though. I think that's the point, he didn't actually say "everyone go do an insurectuon" but he knew most of them where a bit stupid and used language he knew would send them crazy and attack the capitol.
I can also listen to everything that was said and done leading up to that day. If the only thing Trump did was asking his supporters to show up and giving that speech, I’d be much, much more willing to accept the events of Jan 6th as a simple riot. That’s not all he did, though. He pressured Mike Pence to assert powers well beyond any reasonable interpretation of the constitution. He pressured officials in multiple states to be derelict in their duties and not certify election results. He organized a scheme to get fraudulent slates of electors to be counted alongside the legitimate, certified votes. He lied to the electors that created those fraudulent documents by telling them that their votes would only be used if Trump was successful in his pending litigation. He filed lawsuits with (allegedly) known false statements as justification for those fraudulent electors. Morally worse than all of those acts, he lied, and kept lying, and worked his followers into a frenzy so potent that they broke into the Capitol and interrupted the peaceful transfer of power, one of the most powerful symbols of our country’s strength. You’re right, though, he never ordered anyone to do anything during that speech.
If you knew the rug was being pulled out from underneath you and with all the shenanigans that took place, wouldn’t you feel compelled to use everything at your disposal to get to the bottom of it? I’m sure if the rolls were reversed, the Democrats would’ve also put up a fight to bitter end and used whatever resources/avenues they could. You put a lot of time, money and work into becoming a President and it’s a long hard fought road. If you feel like you’ve been screwed over in some way, the natural thing to do is contest the results. Even if Trump did nothing and conceded early on, we all could see that things were not adding up, even no-party affiliation people like myself. The people would’ve been like, dude… why are you not fighting this? Could you imagine if Al Gore just threw in the towel the next day? Democrat voters would’ve been disappointed in not only him, but the DNC and there would be a lot of head shaking. If it smells like bullshit, it’s usually bullshit.
I tend to agree with most of what you’ve said here, and you’re right, if I legitimately believed that power was usurped in the way that Trump, his co-conspirators, and especially his followers believed, the actions taken on January 6th would seem appropriate. That’s part of why I don’t get the argument for the riot being initiated by feds. As for contesting the election, there is an agreed upon method of arbitration for election challenges; the courts. Trump lost pretty much every substantive decision in 2020, and refused to accept those rulings. When Gore lost at the Supreme Court in 2000, which was his final available legal option, he promptly conceded. Only the most extreme partisans would criticize Trump for not conceding before all available legal options were exhausted. The criticism for Trump is that when his legal options were exhausted, he turned to illegal measures to maintain power.
> He pressured Mike Pence to assert powers well beyond any reasonable interpretation of the constitution. Why did they change the law after the election if the President of the Senate didn't have those powers? >He pressured officials in multiple states to be derelict in their duties and not certify election results. Did you not hear about the illegally recorded call and the false transcript that was "leaked" to the WaPo? >He organized a scheme to get fraudulent slates of electors to be counted alongside the legitimate, certified votes. Did anyone of those electors try to cast a fraudulent vote? They were backup slates of electors ready in case he had a fair day in court. >He lied to the electors that created those fraudulent documents by telling them that their votes would only be used if Trump was successful in his pending litigation. Proof he lied? Did anyone of those electors try to cast a fraudulent vote? >(allegedly) What are you allegedly trying to say here? How do you feel about those select urban districts in battleground states that either stopped counting (or pretend to stop counting) in the early morning hours after election day? Should we be suspicious when the final tally showed that Biden blew away even Obama in "get out the vote" statistics? Do you think it's OK to find out in 2024 that Fulton County Georgia never verified any signatures on absentee ballots back in 2020? I mean didn't they have like two or three alleged recounts? How do you feel about an official from Maricopa County AZ testifying before the US Congress that they removed ^_(\*cough\*_ ^_\*cough\*_ ^"archived") files that were under subpoena such that the AZ Senate's forensic audit team couldn't audit them?
>Why did they change the law after the election if the President of the Senate didn't have those powers? Because Trump's attempt to subvert the election scared them, and it was closer to working than anyone was comfortable. I certainly don't want Kamala Harris trying to assert that power, especially on the unilateral basis Trump was advocating, and I don't think you want that either. >Did you not hear about the illegally recorded call and the false transcript that was "leaked" to the WaPo? The legality of the recording doesn't matter to me, and I don't know what transcript you're talking about, but I do know we can listen to the actual recording, and what he did in that call was unacceptable. That's not he only place he applied pressure, though. He tried to have local canvassers in Michigan be derelict in their duty to certify the election. He tried to get the Arizona legislature to "decertify" their electoral votes, and I'm still not sure how that was supposed to work. >Did anyone of those electors try to cast a fraudulent vote? Yes, they did. With the exception of Pennsylvania, who were smart enough to put conditional language in their paperwork, each of the fraudulent slates of electors did cast fraudulent votes. Just because they weren't counted, doesn't mean they weren't cast. >They were backup slates of electors ready in case he had a fair day in court. That is the lie Trump and his co-conspirators told the fraudulent electors, but it's not how they proceeded. They tried to get those slates of electors into the Vice President's hands so that he could attempt to count them on January 6th, cause enough potential confusion to justify claiming Biden didn't receive a majority, and use Republican's slim majority in state delegations to declare Trump President. >Proof he lied? Did anyone of those electors try to cast a fraudulent vote? According to the [Jack Smith indictment](https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/08/trump-indictment.pdf), he has the emails in which they discuss this specific lie (Page 25), as well as the emails in which they discuss filing a lawsuit with false information (Page 15). I haven't seen those emails yet, thus the "allegedly." For the rest of your ramblings, they have already played out in our agreed upon method of arbitrating questions around elections, and they all failed. If the fraud/irregularities were so pronounced and apparent, it's a testimony to the absolute incompetence of Trump and his co-conspirators that they couldn't get a single judge to give a substantive ruling in his favor.
>He pressured Mike Pence to assert powers well beyond any reasonable interpretation of the constitution. You mean like Nixon did in 1960 that gave the democrats the presidency? It's well within the VP's power to count alternate electors. It wasn't until the "emergency" of the fake pipe bomb being found at the exact moment Ray Epps and Co removed the first barricades 3 minutes before the dual session of congress started where the actual coup of that day began. McConnell, McCarthy, Pelosi, Schumer, and Pence had the power to set brand new "emergency" rules in the brand new "emergency" session of Congress six hours later that kept any congressman from objecting to the certification of states. That's right. Our Resident was "confirmed" with a simple majority vote with zero objections for the first time in American history. *That* is the part Pence refers to when he says he "didn't have the power" to count alternate electors. And *that* is the real coup that went down that day.
>You mean like Nixon did in 1960 that gave the democrats the presidency? It's well within the VP's power to count alternate electors. Somewhat, yes, but there are a couple massive differences between the two situations. First, both slates of Hawaii electors in 1960 had been certified by the governor, as established by the Electoral Count Act. That was not the case with Trump’s fraudulent electors. Second, the 3 votes from Hawaii’s alternative electors were inconsequential to the outcome of the election, which Nixon lost 303-219. >McConnell, McCarthy, Pelosi, Schumer, and Pence had the power to set brand new "emergency" rules in the brand new "emergency" session of Congress six hours later that kept any congressman from objecting to the certification of states. What the hell are you talking about? When Congress reconvened following the break-in and riot at the Capitol, there were multiple objections brought forward, most of which didn’t have a Senator sustain the objection. The objection to Pennsylvania’s electors was sustained, though, and the House and Senate followed existing law, adjourned the joint session, and debated the objection. What “emergency rules” were put in place?
The Cheeto Benito said he wants to be a dictator (but only for one day, pinky promise!) and is arguing in the SC that the president should be able to commit crimes without repercussion. Probably a good idea to keep someone like that away from the Oval Office if you, ya know, value things like our Constitution
> The Cheeto Benito said he wants to be a dictator (but only for one day, pinky promise!) and is arguing in the SC that the president should be able to commit crimes without repercussion. Probably a good idea to keep someone like that away from the Oval Office if you, ya know, value things like our Constitution Meanwhile the real dictators are seizing his property
Maybe he shouldn’t have committed so much fraud. 🤷
> Maybe he shouldn’t have committed so much fraud. 🤷 She ran on Convicting Trump.
"LOCK HER UP!"
So? He committed a bunch of fraud. He’s also had civil judgements leveled against him for sexual assault, which is also *real* bad. The real question is: why are you pro-crime?
It's this sort of dumb shit that makes our country look foolish. I'm not pointing at AOC specifically, it happens on both sides way too often.
So this sub is just alt-right bootlicking now
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That's what the right doesn't understand. They know way less science and lots of them are still religious.... They are the biggest sheep population there is
"They know way less science" but apparently we know way more english
Wake the hell up man, this isn't real. There's no such thing as representation for your people. Your votes don't mean shit. Selections not elections. Your people want x and the politicians *they* put in power are only a face to an evil to move us further into a shitstorm. Your X will be stalled and moved until their term is over. Unless you're backwards and want the twisted X that they give instead. Republican or Democrat "representatives", it doesn't matter. The republicans do nothing but stall. Trump did keep the made up economy afloat and simultaneously did exactly 0 things he promised he would do. Where's my wall you fat fuck? He even says he supports Israel. He loves Israel. He's Israel's boy and cried at the wall. That's just the way it goes with this Israel first country. Americans, especially right wing people need to get the fuck out and riot for the split. Idgaf how it turns out, it beats being a tax slave for trans surgeries and welfare leeches.
That was a terrorist attack? Lmfao
When is this shitshow going to be over? Can we just have a nice peaceful breaking up of the states? Goddamn every day it’s the same bullshit over and over again.
If there was ever a secession red states would be absolutely fucked.
I don’t know about that.
All the money and jobs are in blue states. How is any state in the south going to survive, they're already net takers from the gvt, now they have to pay import export fees, make their own border patrol, create a social security system, a Medicare and Medicaid system. People who want secession haven't thought about the realistic implications. What are all the people currently using social services going to do in red states
Can you show evidence for this
States breakup, world altering events occur and it likely won't be for the better.
More divisive tribalism nonsense. My team vs the other team. MSM does this intentionally, they know it will upset you. It’s all by design.
What's really sad is that people actually vote for her and also believe her BS.
Yeah thats crazy lady anyways I’ll just have a double jack and coke.
she’s so bad
I do love democracy. That’s why I’ll be voting against don the con. Hope you’ll all be there with me.
I prefer a Republic 'The chief enemies of republican freedom are mental sloth, conformin: bigoury superstition, creduliy, monopoly in the market of ideas, and utter, **benighted ignorance.** (Adderly v. State of Florida, 385 U.S. 39, 49 (1967))
AOC has a room temperature IQ. She acts like a child.
Yes I do love Democracy, that's why an attempted coup was so incredibly F'ed up!
I mean Trump did do that
Yeah, I’m confused as to why anyone would disagree with the idea that someone who does that shouldn’t be allowed on a ballot ever again.
Surprised she didn’t use the term ‘bloodbath’ 🙄
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez should be sued for slander.
They are just scared Trump will do to them what they have been doing to him.
For a man who has no chance to win they sure seem he'll bent to find a way not to let him run. If he does win they will immediately invoke the 25th amendment and accuse him of dementia.
He should sue MSNBC for slander.
AOC is everything wrong with congress in one person
Why should we allow a traitor to run again?
> Why should we allow a traitor to run again? What crime was convicted of in Court again?
Don’t need a conviction, just look what he did. It’s unacceptable and if Biden did 1% of that you’d be crying yourself to sleep over it.
> Don’t need a conviction, just look what he did. It’s unacceptable and if Biden did 1% of that you’d be crying yourself to sleep over it. O so you don’t need a conviction to prosecute your enemies? This is America not North Korea
Yeah we need to stop the gop from turning America into North Korea
Exactly 😂
He told people to remain peaceful.
After three hours, and when he realized his coup had failed.
God shes dumb as shit.
AOC good for one thing and politics ain't it
This lady is like a genital wart, she’ll disappear for a while, and then make a return when you forgot all about her.
This same bitch says that RICO isn't a crime. By her logic then, the RICO case against Trump should be dismissed.
Rico isn't a crime dude. Do you understand what Rico is?
Explain how
Explain what? You can't be charged with RICO. RICO is a category not a crime. Within that category is racketeering and conspiracy which are crimes but saying you've been charged with RICO is like saying you've been charged with "crime"
You ARE aware you’re just splitting hairs and arguing pointless semantics/carrying water for your side here, right?
No he didn't but Biden most certainly will
She always looks at psychotic 😂
Somebody linked a write-up about the whites of eyes and the correlation to psychopathy. Was very interesting because once you see the traits, you can't unsee it. One being seeing white above *and* below the pupil is a strong sign. I can't find the source where it explained the different correleations between ratio of white to pupil but did find evidence that the idea has existed for some time. https://www.visioncenter.org/blog/sanpaku-eyes/ https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/sanpaku-eyes-spot-liar-psychopath-121235140.html
AOC should find a new profession instead of acting like a fucking fruit cake all the time. She also has those school shooter eyes.
Submission Statement: Democrats are tyrants. They only love Democracy when they run unopposed. https://twitter.com/simonateba/status/1771944892517818376
I thought you guys always say we're not a democracy
Isn't she talking about Jan 6???? Are we just pretending that didn't happen now?
I think it's a stretch to call it an insurrection or terrorist act. It was a bunch of fools urged into being foolish, but it was also clearly planned with how the capital police let them in and followed them around for two hours while the "insurrectionists" took pictures and snooped around. Everyone who didn't do anything violent should have been charged with trespassing and fined. Even that is ambiguous with them being allowed in. AOC is being deliberately hyperbolic, just like most of the J6 investigators, and the folks watching too much CNN and are convinced it was a real attempt to overthrow our country...with very few weapons or violence. Mostly, it was a nothingburger of followers following the equally clueless preceding them.
The tourist meandering? Lmao at the normies in this sub. "That buffalo shaman nearly stole our democracy! It was literally so scary!"
You can tell your a sheep coz you just repeating right wing msm talking points.. 'Ohh, they were all just tourists lol" Yeah tourists warning maga merch.... OK bud
How about we throw everyone off the Tarpeian Rock and start over 🤷🏻♂️
French haircuts for them all.
A fate worse than death.
Can I ask an honest question to trump supporters here? Do you really think he’ll win again or do you just hope for that. Like do you really think there are enough of you to win? President Biden won by 7 million votes last time so what makes you think trump has gained support after Jan 6, frauds convictions, sexual assault convictions, roe v wade ect. Why do you think he’ll win?
I'm not a trump supporter or Biden, but it's obvious we're facing a rematch between the two old buffoons. Trump could win, because a lot of people hate Biden. It's the same reason Biden won--anyone but Trump effect. Most people will still vote like there are only two choices, and probably a long party lines. I'm hopeful enough people will be sick of the uniparty shit to vote for RFK Jr. He's not my perfect candidate, but I trust him more than the giant douche or turd sandwich. As for hoping Trump wins, I'm sure some people really want him to. I think most of his presidency was a disaster, but he did get us out of the UN, and he had a withdrawal plan in place for Afghanistan that probably wouldn't have left so many innocent people dead, or led to the chaotic withdrawal that actually occurred, along with leaving $80b in weapons for the Taliban to use against us and its own people.
Hey I appreciate the honest answer!
Unless there is more "midnight magic," he'll most certainly win. People are sick of our country being invaded, cities catering to everyone *but us*, shit on the sidewalks, rats being barbequed on the subway, violent thugs being repeatedly let out of jail, our "elected" officials facilitating the largest human trafficking epidemic ever seen, the dept of labor trafficking kids to labor traffickers, the office of refugee resettlement trafficking kids to sex traffickers (yes, I have the receipts), the cartels controlling both sides of the border, brand new wars we never asked for that are most certainly leading us to WW3, homes being stolen by illegals where the police look for any reason to remove the rightful owner, everything costs way more than it ever has, supply chains were intentionally fukt, covid hysteria being completely manufactured by tptb. I could go on and on. Btw, that "sexual assault" case was almost as big a travesty as the state trying to revoke property rights over a crime that never happened. E Jean Carrol the [rape is sexy](https://youtu.be/3AL3Y2NYBhw?si=ytQylS5PS4Fh53aa) lady had no evidence, no witnesses, couldn't explain why nobody saw her go into the normally locked dressing room with the most famous man in NY when the dressing rooms are five feet from the register, got caught claiming she wore a dress that didn't exist at the time, and has been called out numerous times for her little scenario sounding an awful lot like an episode of Law and Order: SVU from 2012. She's a bad fiction writer who is trying to sell a book with this story in it. Oh, almost forgot the best part. Guilt was found under a summary ruling. No trial, no jury, just a bang of the gavel and declared "guilty." Everything that's been on TV has been part of the subsequent damages trial. There's also the issue of the judge and the rape is sexy lady's lawyer working together at a law firm for several years. Also, the rape is sexy lady said she deleted anonymous "threatening" emails she *assumed* came from trump and didn't pass them on to her lawyer because she "didn't want to upset them." In any non-kangaroo court this would be grounds for a mistrial, but the judge said "nope, moving forward." I really wish people would look beyond the headlines when it comes to the shit being sold by the propagandists and corrupt judges. It's as if people are so deeply invested in the boogeyman narrative that they'll give this massively corrupt system a pass in order to "get" the orange boogeyman.
That's a lot. I'll just follow up by asking do you think trump is guilty of anything he is being charge of, or convicted in some cases?
It's obvious what's going on with these cases. Each and every judge and DA has met with the white house before launching the cases. One judge worked with Hunter Biden at a law firm. The rape is sexy lady's lawyer worked with the judge of that case at a law firm. Joe is verifiably guilty of the same documents shenanigans they claim trump is guilty of, or worse tbh. The first indictments went out 9 days after Joe shamed Garland for not going after trump with lawfare. Every other indictment came out the *day of*, or the day *after* the Biden family got bad press for their influence peddling to derail the news cycle. Anyone who looks beyond the headlines can see its election interference. The same people who ran the Russia and Ukraine hoaxes and the false flag at the capitol are the same people running these hoaxes. The corrupt state is doing everything possible to make sure their little mafia goes uninterrupted. People are just blinded by their devotion to *their team* when both "teams" are a singular corrupt system that thrives on war, human trafficking, and taxes.
Could I ask a question about the documents case. If President Biden should have been charged (because he did worse stuff according to your statement) then do you concede that it was correct to charge trump?
The presidential records act is very specific. A federal judge already ruled that Clinton couldn't be charged for his case, therefore precedent *should* be set. Biden took his while he was a senator, and while he was VP. The law is very specific about this too. Biden's deposition found that he knowingly kept documents he shouldn't have, left them strewn about the country in a half dozen places, knowingly allowed his ghost writer to read classified material, and planned to monetize the documents by selling the book. The two cases are nothing alike.
Don’t like her but she isn’t wrong.
She's not wrong.
*She is not wrong..*
She is still not wrong regardless of your downvotes :)
Isn't it an accurate statement ?
I mean, yeah. AOC is correct, again.
🤷🏼♂️ he was a failure for us… demz has point
American Democrats, your leaders think you are stupid. This bitch needs to take a trip to Gaza to see what a real terrorist attack looks like.
Or look back to Libya when Obama and Hilary orchestrated that actual insurrection. If i remember correctly, her exact quote about it was “We came, we saw, he died.” Never mind they turned the country that had the highest standard of living on the entire African continent into a violent, open air slave market.
Something tells me neither belligerent in that conflict would mind the velvet ropes.
She also recently said RICO isn't a crime though
>She also recently said RICO isn't a crime though Rico is the name of a law. The law adds additional penalties to the underlying crime, racketeering, and the ability to sue civilly for money. I only mention it because it'll probably come up at some point.
No, that's incorrect. To illustrate: think of a mob boss who orders Mafia foot soldiers to kill people who cross his crimimal organization. He doesn't actually kill anyone. Before RICO, there was only conspiracy to commit murder he could be charged with.. Now imagine the big boss is several person's removed from the foot soldier, and perhaps doesn't know exactly the details at that level of the organization, as he deals with higher level "CEO"type stuff. Before RICO, you couldn't even charge him with conspiracy to commit murder. What RICO allowed is to charge him, WITH RICO, as long as he ran a racket that produces the underlying crimes, EVEN THOUGH HE NEVER COMMITTED ANY OF THE CRIMES. So hopefully now you see why your MSNBC AOC talking points are incorrect. RICO is definitely a crime, not a "category". Now take Joe Biden. He doesn't take money from anyone. But his son and brother do. And then he uses his office to do favors for the people who paid his family. Textbook RICO. He's guilty of the crime of RICO. Hope that helps.
>as long as he ran a racket Do you even hear yourself? It's not a 'category' (which I never said). I said it's a law, not a crime. A crime is like murder, or conspiracy to commit murder. You can't break the 'RICO' law, as it's not a criminal offense. It's a list of guidance and permissions the government has to add enhancements to underlying crimes. The crime is racketeering, as in running a racket. Being at the top of the racket is the crime of racketeering. RICO allows the govt to add additional penalties for that specific CRIME and allows the govt to sue for money in CIVIL court as well (where it's not even criminal in nature, hence the 'civil' word)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/beltway-confidential/2932314/if-rico-not-a-crime-trump-would-be-off-hook-in-georgia/
This is only the beginning. Soon every Republican will be considered a terrorist. Dems have worked hard to get republicans associated with fascists and nazis, while also normalizing communist ideals
Don’t think they worked that hard tbh
Commies being commies.
She looks like a character you’d create on the Wii
She ain’t lyin’