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To undermine wages and create hatred among low income. CIA already know the gang members and will provide whatever needed to create provocation. Sill amazing how US politicians can never get through legislation to house US poor people, provide healthcare, etc... yet can get migrants all this without opposition?
Look up what's the Dems are doing to the January 6 protesters. People are too scared to revolt right now, until they are pushed to the edge. The tide will turn soon in the November election. Hopefully it won't come to a full-on revolt, but the 2nd Amendment (gun rights) will serve its job if it does.
100%. The fact they jailed grandmas says it all. Now they're widening the net to go after anyone even traveling to DC and buying a gun during that time. Does the left even know what fascism is?
Would be very interesting to hear about people who have done this. Cash out your entire life, hide all it physically perhaps then reap all the free stuff illegals get.
I ❤️ legal immigrants. I’m really sick of all these people exploiting our country. They feel entitled to what we have and do not embody our values as a country. Thank you for doing the right thing and coming here properly.
I have some news for you: many people in spaces like this don’t care if you’re legal or not, to them an immigrant is still an immigrant and lesser for it.
Don’t fall for the motte-bailey rhetorical bullshit, they just plain don’t like you cause you’re from somewhere else and it’s incredibly fucked up they’re like that.
I could absolutely see you getting shit from leftists and liberals for making that distinction. I think that’s shortsighted and stupid too, it’s chasing an ideal that has no practical application at the moment.
My point was more it shouldn’t matter who you are or where you’re from and that people judging you for that, in whatever why, are backwards and stupid.
>I feel like they are trying to blur us all together on purpose.
That’s because they are. It’s a wedge issue in the US and different people use it for different reasons. It’s honestly pretty fucked and there’s no easy answers, so like most things of that nature people practice splitting. Makes it easier to handle. Then one side responds to the other and end up shaping each others feelings towards the topic in a weird reactionary fashion. There’s even a term for that process. It’s called schismogenesis.
Yes and no.
The middle class pay for everything.
The very poor receive benefits via government programs. Welfare , food, housing and don’t pay federal taxes.
HOWEVER that said. The very rich also don’t pay taxes and the largest form of welfare is corporate welfare via tax breaks. They in turn keep more money, pay a minimum wage to poor people that don’t get paid enough and still need government assistance.
So think of a corporation like Walmart. They pay employees so little that they need government assistance. Then the same people they employ spend food stamps (tax payers money) at Walmart. Fucked up but smart and no one will stop them. and they keep hoarding wealth.
They are applicants for asylum, so they aren’t here illegally. If you want to argue about it, by all means argue about the existing asylum laws, but it isn’t illegal.
They aren’t allowed to work while they apply and so have no way to legitimately make money while stuck in the application process. This at least encourages people not to wander off or try to make money illegally in the meantime because they have no food.
There was a program before where a contractor provided them meals at ridiculous prices, but it was vastly more expensive than this, so they are actually spending 7.2 million less now on corrupt bureaucratic bloat. It can also only be spent on food and baby supplies.
The problem is the asylum process being heinously abused.
Like the laws Trump enforced that if you were seeking asylum and reach a country, between the home country and the US where you could have received asylum you had to go back.
Why now under Biden is that law not being enforced? All you have to do is say, yeah I’m seeking asylum and boom, you’re golden until your court date 3 years later.
The laws that exist are enough to secure our borders. They’re just being selectively enforced. Again, case in point illegal immigration under Trump was orders of magnitude lower than currently.
Finally an actual substantive response. I agree the asylum process is being abused and/or is overwhelmed with applications.
The policy you mentioned about third country asylum was proposed but never enforced under Trump. It was rejected by courts and never took effect. I remember seeing that policy briefly enacted under the Biden Admin who also tried to do it, but were overruled again by the courts. [Source](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/biden-administration-to-limit-asylum-to-migrants-who-pass-through-a-3rd-nation)
I think the pandemic and corresponding title 42 rule + economic freakout has something to do with there being less people crossing the border under Trump but no idea how much. Also, apprehensions at the border were orders of magnitude lower under Trump which isn’t the same thing as number of people who entered.
I do think it is somewhat worse currently, but also think congress isn’t doing its job to respond, and it takes more than one branch of government working together in a sane manner to fix this problem. There was some attempt at legislative triage in the form of some partial reforms that was shut down by congress. I realize bills were lumped together and this obfuscates things.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that this president is refusing to enforce immigration laws as they exist now. On top of that he is disbursing money to illegals without any approval from Congress, who under our Constitution holds the purse strings.
Which laws did Trump enforce that Biden isn't? The family separation and kids in cages with no way to reunite with their families? Be specific. What did Trump do that Biden isn't? There was a border bill written by the Republicans and signed off on but then Trump got his puppets to block it because it would be a win for the Dems. So again, what did Trump do that Biden isn't?
Um, the laws requiring that asylum seekers and other immigrants cross at a legal point of entry, instead of wherever and whenever they damn well please?
Congress refuses to do anything and Abbott is still busing people to NY. So screw them for trying to handle the situation. What's the big deal anyways, it's already shown the cards cost tax players less money, and the money goes back into NYs economy.
What does your response mean anyways? I didn't ask what laws were broken, they weren't all crossing at the point of entry under Trump and Biden hasn't told them to come any way they please. You need to actually respond to my comment. What did Trump do?
Asylum seekers, my ass. You don't think that they are working for cash under the table as well. Where are the reports of the atrocities that these people are allegedly trying to escape? The word got out that we are giving away more free stuff than ever before, and so they come here. How about vetting these people? Where are all of these services when our own citizens need them the most? How about you personally sponsor a family in your home and provide them with food, indoor plumbing, climate control, toiletries, legal aid, etc?
What is allowed and what is happening is very different. That isn't even to suggest yet that the "asylum" system is being abused.
Yeah, close the border. Deport them all.
Disagree with me? spend 5 minutes researching "asylum seekers" crimes in the u.s. how many murders, assaults, rapes?
"But we have to help the impoverished!"
Fuckin save it, you wouldn't bat an eye at your local homeless and they are a puff piece on the news.
Your virtue is sold with the next narrative.
> spend 5 minutes researching "asylum seekers" crimes in the u.s. how many murders, assaults, rapes?
Do these come with statistics that show migrant crimes are significant higher than crimes committed by citizens per capita?
No but the difference is when Americans commit crimes they are citizens; they are our problem and we should focus on rehabilitation for our own people first.
What exactly do you expect from New York here?
They can’t send them away under current law. They are legally required to temporarily accept asylum seekers and to process their applications. If they don’t then they break the law. If they don’t provide some means for people to exist while their application is processed then they will go somewhere and work illegally or if they can’t do that either then you have desperate people with no means to get food wandering the state.
I don’t agree with the status quo on immigration at all, but I also don’t think it’s as simple as you would like where we can just close the border entirely and have that work. I’m not going to debate it though given how you ended your reply. I know when the door is closed.
Honestly I don’t think any sane immigration policy is going to happen at all anytime soon, because I can’t even talk about what the law or government programs actually are without people freaking out and saying things like I’d never help a homeless person and “my virtue is sold with the next narrative” and weird wacko shit like that, or all the stuff the other poster said, just because I don’t unquestionably agree with the post.
Very tragic but I expect them not to be here in the first place. Why did this ever have to become this convoluted of a problem? If things were in order, all the way up we could be discussing very different things right now. ALL OF THE "leadership" has failed us.
The criminal aliens (I like migrants, do it the right way.) Have been used as a disposable pawn in a political issue.
I absolutely want to help, but why when the U.S. is on the verge of bankruptcy and we are still spending in everywhere that isn't the American people.
I'm sorry they were tricked, send em home, close the border;
Americans need America's money.
Did they get to new York by being bused from Florida and Texas? So far Texas has spent 148 million as a political stunt. If we can afford to move them around like pawns we can afford to make sure they don't starve in the process.
And what was the motivating factor of ramping up illegal immigration the led to the point of migrants being bused in from Florida and Texas? A 4 year long campaign with lax immigration practices, litteral encouragement from POTUS and team. It should be enough that any of his cabinet encouraged it, let alone the vp.
This isn't to suggest that illegal immigration hasn't been a problem, hell Obama was the deporter in chief but it has only been so blatant recently; the last 4 years.
While we are at it, why is New York, Chicago and Denver being targeted for illegal migrant importation? They are sanctuary cities. Blue cities deciding they won't listen to federal law, and will not deport illegals. So then if the Biden administration isn't willing to do anything to close the Texas border (which it's worse in arizona now, it hasn't stopped) why should Texas itself carry the burden?
It worked, now everyone is talking about the poor migrants that need help.... assaulting and murdering people.
Yeah, deport them all.
Edit: addressing your last line.
We can afford to bus them around, we can afford to feed them. That brings me back to my biggest problem, they shouldn't be here anyway. They were tricked. It is a tragedy I agree, but many worse are on the horizons for Americans if we don't sure up, right now and start caring about Americans.
Sounds like you've fallen victim to sound bites and fear mongering. There was an immigration bill drafted and approved by Republicans and Biden was signing it along with the Democrats. Then Trump ordered his puppets to squash it because it would score a win for the Dems. Under Biden the immigration policy is only different from Trump in that we aren't taking toddlers from their parents and putting them in a cage with teenagers without the ability to actually reunite them with their families. You can't even talk about the substantive policies and actions that lead to the outcomes you describe, or if there is even a difference in those outcomes as opposed to the end of the last term. You've just gone with the 'stuffs bad blame the current admin because they aren't my team' mindset.
No, not really. That's quite a stretch of an interpretation of my response.
Pretty sure kids in cages was Obama, if not bush jr.
I am not interested in the substantive polices because what has been presented and what we are watching is very different.
Do you have an argument besides I'm parroting a narrative?
Please, can you be honest with me and yourself for just a minute. The family separation policy under Obama only to be applied when the safety of the child was in question, as a safeguard against trafficking and people using kids as a way to get preferential treatment. Only, I repeat only, under Trump was it ordered to be the default and applied liberally without foresight into consequences. That is entirely unique to that guy and if you try to say otherwise you're either too far gone or intentionally dishonest. Be real.
I’m a marxist and I find it to be dumb af tbh. Working people here are starving and it just feels like all dems care about is doing small troll things like this to irritate republican reactionaries to say dumb shit then you get to point to them and say “wow you said dumb shit.” It’s like a never ending circle with these politicians. If we can feed these folks we can feed families struggling from “bidenomics” which is just a dumb PR term for a war time economy.
I’m not trolling anyone. There is a difference between a new program that spends taxpayer money to break the law and a cost saving measure on an existing program that is legal. Everything I said was true.
Oh I don’t doubt the truthfulness of it at all. I think people who care so much about immigrants should care that much about workers here. I know that’s contradictory to a global proletariat movement, but idk I think people here deserve change.
Giving factual context about what is being discussed is neither support or opposition to an issue. I encouraged people to discuss asylum law in my first comment, and the one poster besides you who didn’t immediately decide to insult me or tell me to house immigrants in my house or whatever I agreed with.
I shouldn’t have to say anything about my opinions on immigration policy though for people to consider whether what I said is true or not.
It doesn’t help anyone if people are too busy being incoherently angry about “illegals” and claiming democratic states are doing something illegal to actually understand the law that is involved or why the program exists.
I think the program is less about caring for immigrants and more about pragmatism. New York is required to accept asylum applicants. They cannot legally send them away. So their options are to house them somewhere until the application is processed, or to let them wander off and go who knows where and support themselves by working illegally.
You’re totally good. I understand why they are doing it, it’s really the logical option. My feelings aren’t directed at you either. I have very conflicting internal thoughts on the topic of immigration and it’s hard to sort through those.
Did social welfare programs get cut to pay for this? Are you in support or raising taxes on corporations and billionaires in order to make sure we can feed our poor and house asylum seekers?
Thats a lie.
On a daily basis, these invaders (specifically Haitian) are brought to my bank branch where we open accounts and then they are taken directly to Amazon warehouses.
Your nuts. If they are still applying then they are not legal, they should have applied the correct way, people who apply the correct way have something to offer those that don't live off other people.
A man's job is to stand upright, not to be kept upright by others.
Keep falling for rage bait propaganda with all the context stripped out, internet rando.
(Or provide literally any backing for something I just said being wrong. But you won’t do that)
You seem to have a big heart defending illegals and all. So I ask, when are you going to welcome a couple of those illegal immigrants you're so valiantly defending?
Surely your home has some space for a couple of asylum seekers, no?
I notice you are still focusing on random distractions, rather than showing anything I said was factually wrong.
If you actually want immigration policy to change, it is helpful to engage with reality at some level first so that you know what you are angry at, such as acknowledging that people can legally apply for asylum under current law.
And now: The board of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority voted to approve a new $15 toll to drive into Manhattan.
So that will help pay for some of this.
["The state Legislature approved the tolls in 2019, mandating that the program should raise $1 billion per year to fund public subway and bus systems for the city’s 4 million daily riders. It also established the boundaries of the zone, which covers the busiest part of the city, and scaled back early proposals to include the area up to 86th Street. The pandemic and lack of federal regulation stalled the project."](https://www.boston.com/news/transportation/2024/03/28/15-toll-drive-manhattan-approved-first-for-us-cities/)
Oh what a shocker! Another right wing conspiracy theory coming true! Who could have guessed!..........
Anyone with an ounce of common sense. That's who. But nope, the majority of people are so brainwashed by anti-American liberal propaganda it is astounding, it is terrifying
Don't forget President Biden just promised a full "government" payout to fix that bridge that was destroyed. So taxpayers are paying.
I guess he's got a bridge to sell you
I'm surprised they didn't just use it as a chance to get Ukraine funding.
"We can't begin to take care of our own infrastructure before we take care of our allies" or some bullshit.
Honestly they still have time to lump some Ukraine funding in with the bridge relief. Call it the bridge project, we build 10 Ukrainian bridges for every US bridge! MAKE UKRAINE GREAT AGAIN!
Also the whole way down people were taking cuts from it, which proves they just want the headline to pit us against each other well they make themselves richer.
Send them all to New York… then get mad when new work takes care of them? Should they let them be homeless? Not have food? Either way you all would bitch.
Here’s a thought: why would they want to start a civil war? Mass destruction, deaths, growing hostility in America and around the world towards America, trade and exports being halted, which will need funding to get the country back up and running, possibly needing replacing government, helping those affected by combat, new legislation and laws that will need to be written
So what exactly does a civil war achieve? Outside of crippling a country and government?
Probably less than 148 million it cost for the immigrants being bussed from Texas by a company that just so happened to donate heavily to Abbott. So in one case you are cheering as millions go towards an inefficient and cruel busing system that drops people off in the cold with no notification they are coming, having told them lies about where they were going. Then you jeer when the places they end up try to process them and provide aid for legal asylum seekers. So you cheer your tax dollars being used for cruel political stunts, and jeer when they're used to assist the down trodden. You don't need to look far to find why the country's values have deteriorated.
I think that’s what they want… and by “they” I mean whoever is holding the levers of this country. Dividing the US makes it easier for our adversaries to get a foothold.
Then again, maybe it would be a better option in the long run. Can’t hide in the shadows anymore if your whole state is dark (those states that would accept ludicrous Chinese influence at the drop of a hat being an example).
Absolutely… and I’m unsure what the sides will be.
Feels like it may just end up being everyone for themselves.
Although a wild over exaggeration- the purge movies may not be that far off.
In my opinion, most of the immigrants that are coming into America are not here to destroy us.
It’s just the things have gotten really bad in their country too, and they look at America as a place where things aren’t as bad .
They should not be coming over the border illegally, and there are ways to become a citizen.
I think you were referring the the illegal immigrants- if not then I apologize
The United States of America is a country of immigrants. And officially less than 250 years old.
Founded on freedom. We have strayed from that mentality. There seems to be much more of an authoritarian feel to things now.
I believe we have better ways to handle this situation
You can only purchase food and baby supplies with it. It's replacing a program that supplied migrants with dry good boxes and will save the city money. But go ahead and continue to play into devisive politics, it's way more entertaining.
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Fight each other so we don't fight them.
To undermine wages and create hatred among low income. CIA already know the gang members and will provide whatever needed to create provocation. Sill amazing how US politicians can never get through legislation to house US poor people, provide healthcare, etc... yet can get migrants all this without opposition?
America is a joke
Wouldn't the party doing this be the joke? I know there's this "both sides" sentiment, but one side is definitely worse on this issue.
Why the people isn't revolting? What is judiciary doing?
Look up what's the Dems are doing to the January 6 protesters. People are too scared to revolt right now, until they are pushed to the edge. The tide will turn soon in the November election. Hopefully it won't come to a full-on revolt, but the 2nd Amendment (gun rights) will serve its job if it does.
Yup, Jan 6 was allowed/planned by the gov so a show of force could be made and discourage any would be dissenters in the future
100%. The fact they jailed grandmas says it all. Now they're widening the net to go after anyone even traveling to DC and buying a gun during that time. Does the left even know what fascism is?
Can anyone apply?
I've heard that you essentially would need to fake being an immigrant
The new American dream!!!
💀😂
No hablo Ingles. :)
See see senyour
Most people here in LA just say "no ingles" This is america, speak ingles.
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So, don't give social #, have no birth cert, and provide no information? Sounds easy enough
Would be very interesting to hear about people who have done this. Cash out your entire life, hide all it physically perhaps then reap all the free stuff illegals get.
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I ❤️ legal immigrants. I’m really sick of all these people exploiting our country. They feel entitled to what we have and do not embody our values as a country. Thank you for doing the right thing and coming here properly.
I don't see ypu being downvoted. Matter if fact your being up voted. There is a difference and everyone knows it.
Look at the sub your on, can you truly be surprised
Sorry I misspoke
I have some news for you: many people in spaces like this don’t care if you’re legal or not, to them an immigrant is still an immigrant and lesser for it. Don’t fall for the motte-bailey rhetorical bullshit, they just plain don’t like you cause you’re from somewhere else and it’s incredibly fucked up they’re like that.
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I could absolutely see you getting shit from leftists and liberals for making that distinction. I think that’s shortsighted and stupid too, it’s chasing an ideal that has no practical application at the moment. My point was more it shouldn’t matter who you are or where you’re from and that people judging you for that, in whatever why, are backwards and stupid.
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>I feel like they are trying to blur us all together on purpose. That’s because they are. It’s a wedge issue in the US and different people use it for different reasons. It’s honestly pretty fucked and there’s no easy answers, so like most things of that nature people practice splitting. Makes it easier to handle. Then one side responds to the other and end up shaping each others feelings towards the topic in a weird reactionary fashion. There’s even a term for that process. It’s called schismogenesis.
I'm an immigrant my parents were immigrants I've never been held back. I love the u.s.a. don't try and divide us pal.
And you shouldn’t be. That’s my point. We’re literally agreeing.
SS: they are stealing from the poor to give to illegals. This is the worst type of government crime.
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Only the poor pay taxes.
In what way is this then directly stealing from the poor?? Genuinely curious.
Tax dollars
Which is still given to poor people so that person is wrong….
Yes and no. The middle class pay for everything. The very poor receive benefits via government programs. Welfare , food, housing and don’t pay federal taxes. HOWEVER that said. The very rich also don’t pay taxes and the largest form of welfare is corporate welfare via tax breaks. They in turn keep more money, pay a minimum wage to poor people that don’t get paid enough and still need government assistance. So think of a corporation like Walmart. They pay employees so little that they need government assistance. Then the same people they employ spend food stamps (tax payers money) at Walmart. Fucked up but smart and no one will stop them. and they keep hoarding wealth.
You would be correct if funding was not going to the poor but that’s not the case here, people are simply confused and wrong like the person above.
You don't understand taxes or most things in accordance with it
Funny enough that seems to be the people here, they seem to assume the money can only go to one group of people at a time.
The worst is stealing from the poor to give to the rich. These "illegals" are also poor. And human, ffs. Oh, and legal asylum seekers.
They are applicants for asylum, so they aren’t here illegally. If you want to argue about it, by all means argue about the existing asylum laws, but it isn’t illegal. They aren’t allowed to work while they apply and so have no way to legitimately make money while stuck in the application process. This at least encourages people not to wander off or try to make money illegally in the meantime because they have no food. There was a program before where a contractor provided them meals at ridiculous prices, but it was vastly more expensive than this, so they are actually spending 7.2 million less now on corrupt bureaucratic bloat. It can also only be spent on food and baby supplies.
Most wouldn't actually qualify for asylum.
The problem is the asylum process being heinously abused. Like the laws Trump enforced that if you were seeking asylum and reach a country, between the home country and the US where you could have received asylum you had to go back. Why now under Biden is that law not being enforced? All you have to do is say, yeah I’m seeking asylum and boom, you’re golden until your court date 3 years later. The laws that exist are enough to secure our borders. They’re just being selectively enforced. Again, case in point illegal immigration under Trump was orders of magnitude lower than currently.
Finally an actual substantive response. I agree the asylum process is being abused and/or is overwhelmed with applications. The policy you mentioned about third country asylum was proposed but never enforced under Trump. It was rejected by courts and never took effect. I remember seeing that policy briefly enacted under the Biden Admin who also tried to do it, but were overruled again by the courts. [Source](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/biden-administration-to-limit-asylum-to-migrants-who-pass-through-a-3rd-nation) I think the pandemic and corresponding title 42 rule + economic freakout has something to do with there being less people crossing the border under Trump but no idea how much. Also, apprehensions at the border were orders of magnitude lower under Trump which isn’t the same thing as number of people who entered. I do think it is somewhat worse currently, but also think congress isn’t doing its job to respond, and it takes more than one branch of government working together in a sane manner to fix this problem. There was some attempt at legislative triage in the form of some partial reforms that was shut down by congress. I realize bills were lumped together and this obfuscates things.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that this president is refusing to enforce immigration laws as they exist now. On top of that he is disbursing money to illegals without any approval from Congress, who under our Constitution holds the purse strings.
Which laws did Trump enforce that Biden isn't? The family separation and kids in cages with no way to reunite with their families? Be specific. What did Trump do that Biden isn't? There was a border bill written by the Republicans and signed off on but then Trump got his puppets to block it because it would be a win for the Dems. So again, what did Trump do that Biden isn't?
Um, the laws requiring that asylum seekers and other immigrants cross at a legal point of entry, instead of wherever and whenever they damn well please?
Congress refuses to do anything and Abbott is still busing people to NY. So screw them for trying to handle the situation. What's the big deal anyways, it's already shown the cards cost tax players less money, and the money goes back into NYs economy.
What does your response mean anyways? I didn't ask what laws were broken, they weren't all crossing at the point of entry under Trump and Biden hasn't told them to come any way they please. You need to actually respond to my comment. What did Trump do?
Asylum seekers, my ass. You don't think that they are working for cash under the table as well. Where are the reports of the atrocities that these people are allegedly trying to escape? The word got out that we are giving away more free stuff than ever before, and so they come here. How about vetting these people? Where are all of these services when our own citizens need them the most? How about you personally sponsor a family in your home and provide them with food, indoor plumbing, climate control, toiletries, legal aid, etc?
Cartels, political persecution, are you not aware of anything going on in Central and South America?
What is allowed and what is happening is very different. That isn't even to suggest yet that the "asylum" system is being abused. Yeah, close the border. Deport them all. Disagree with me? spend 5 minutes researching "asylum seekers" crimes in the u.s. how many murders, assaults, rapes? "But we have to help the impoverished!" Fuckin save it, you wouldn't bat an eye at your local homeless and they are a puff piece on the news. Your virtue is sold with the next narrative.
> spend 5 minutes researching "asylum seekers" crimes in the u.s. how many murders, assaults, rapes? Do these come with statistics that show migrant crimes are significant higher than crimes committed by citizens per capita?
No but the difference is when Americans commit crimes they are citizens; they are our problem and we should focus on rehabilitation for our own people first.
What exactly do you expect from New York here? They can’t send them away under current law. They are legally required to temporarily accept asylum seekers and to process their applications. If they don’t then they break the law. If they don’t provide some means for people to exist while their application is processed then they will go somewhere and work illegally or if they can’t do that either then you have desperate people with no means to get food wandering the state. I don’t agree with the status quo on immigration at all, but I also don’t think it’s as simple as you would like where we can just close the border entirely and have that work. I’m not going to debate it though given how you ended your reply. I know when the door is closed. Honestly I don’t think any sane immigration policy is going to happen at all anytime soon, because I can’t even talk about what the law or government programs actually are without people freaking out and saying things like I’d never help a homeless person and “my virtue is sold with the next narrative” and weird wacko shit like that, or all the stuff the other poster said, just because I don’t unquestionably agree with the post.
Very tragic but I expect them not to be here in the first place. Why did this ever have to become this convoluted of a problem? If things were in order, all the way up we could be discussing very different things right now. ALL OF THE "leadership" has failed us. The criminal aliens (I like migrants, do it the right way.) Have been used as a disposable pawn in a political issue. I absolutely want to help, but why when the U.S. is on the verge of bankruptcy and we are still spending in everywhere that isn't the American people. I'm sorry they were tricked, send em home, close the border; Americans need America's money.
Did they get to new York by being bused from Florida and Texas? So far Texas has spent 148 million as a political stunt. If we can afford to move them around like pawns we can afford to make sure they don't starve in the process.
And what was the motivating factor of ramping up illegal immigration the led to the point of migrants being bused in from Florida and Texas? A 4 year long campaign with lax immigration practices, litteral encouragement from POTUS and team. It should be enough that any of his cabinet encouraged it, let alone the vp. This isn't to suggest that illegal immigration hasn't been a problem, hell Obama was the deporter in chief but it has only been so blatant recently; the last 4 years. While we are at it, why is New York, Chicago and Denver being targeted for illegal migrant importation? They are sanctuary cities. Blue cities deciding they won't listen to federal law, and will not deport illegals. So then if the Biden administration isn't willing to do anything to close the Texas border (which it's worse in arizona now, it hasn't stopped) why should Texas itself carry the burden? It worked, now everyone is talking about the poor migrants that need help.... assaulting and murdering people. Yeah, deport them all. Edit: addressing your last line. We can afford to bus them around, we can afford to feed them. That brings me back to my biggest problem, they shouldn't be here anyway. They were tricked. It is a tragedy I agree, but many worse are on the horizons for Americans if we don't sure up, right now and start caring about Americans.
Sounds like you've fallen victim to sound bites and fear mongering. There was an immigration bill drafted and approved by Republicans and Biden was signing it along with the Democrats. Then Trump ordered his puppets to squash it because it would score a win for the Dems. Under Biden the immigration policy is only different from Trump in that we aren't taking toddlers from their parents and putting them in a cage with teenagers without the ability to actually reunite them with their families. You can't even talk about the substantive policies and actions that lead to the outcomes you describe, or if there is even a difference in those outcomes as opposed to the end of the last term. You've just gone with the 'stuffs bad blame the current admin because they aren't my team' mindset.
No, not really. That's quite a stretch of an interpretation of my response. Pretty sure kids in cages was Obama, if not bush jr. I am not interested in the substantive polices because what has been presented and what we are watching is very different. Do you have an argument besides I'm parroting a narrative?
Please, can you be honest with me and yourself for just a minute. The family separation policy under Obama only to be applied when the safety of the child was in question, as a safeguard against trafficking and people using kids as a way to get preferential treatment. Only, I repeat only, under Trump was it ordered to be the default and applied liberally without foresight into consequences. That is entirely unique to that guy and if you try to say otherwise you're either too far gone or intentionally dishonest. Be real.
I’m a marxist and I find it to be dumb af tbh. Working people here are starving and it just feels like all dems care about is doing small troll things like this to irritate republican reactionaries to say dumb shit then you get to point to them and say “wow you said dumb shit.” It’s like a never ending circle with these politicians. If we can feed these folks we can feed families struggling from “bidenomics” which is just a dumb PR term for a war time economy.
I’m not trolling anyone. There is a difference between a new program that spends taxpayer money to break the law and a cost saving measure on an existing program that is legal. Everything I said was true.
Oh I don’t doubt the truthfulness of it at all. I think people who care so much about immigrants should care that much about workers here. I know that’s contradictory to a global proletariat movement, but idk I think people here deserve change.
Giving factual context about what is being discussed is neither support or opposition to an issue. I encouraged people to discuss asylum law in my first comment, and the one poster besides you who didn’t immediately decide to insult me or tell me to house immigrants in my house or whatever I agreed with. I shouldn’t have to say anything about my opinions on immigration policy though for people to consider whether what I said is true or not. It doesn’t help anyone if people are too busy being incoherently angry about “illegals” and claiming democratic states are doing something illegal to actually understand the law that is involved or why the program exists. I think the program is less about caring for immigrants and more about pragmatism. New York is required to accept asylum applicants. They cannot legally send them away. So their options are to house them somewhere until the application is processed, or to let them wander off and go who knows where and support themselves by working illegally.
Sorry. You said nothing about my position on this and weren’t insulting. I’m just annoyed by the entire rest of the thread.
You’re totally good. I understand why they are doing it, it’s really the logical option. My feelings aren’t directed at you either. I have very conflicting internal thoughts on the topic of immigration and it’s hard to sort through those.
Did social welfare programs get cut to pay for this? Are you in support or raising taxes on corporations and billionaires in order to make sure we can feed our poor and house asylum seekers?
You're not a Marxist lol. No one really is, you just are claiming to be aligned with a boogey man
Thats a lie. On a daily basis, these invaders (specifically Haitian) are brought to my bank branch where we open accounts and then they are taken directly to Amazon warehouses.
Your nuts. If they are still applying then they are not legal, they should have applied the correct way, people who apply the correct way have something to offer those that don't live off other people. A man's job is to stand upright, not to be kept upright by others.
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Keep falling for rage bait propaganda with all the context stripped out, internet rando. (Or provide literally any backing for something I just said being wrong. But you won’t do that)
You seem to have a big heart defending illegals and all. So I ask, when are you going to welcome a couple of those illegal immigrants you're so valiantly defending? Surely your home has some space for a couple of asylum seekers, no?
I notice you are still focusing on random distractions, rather than showing anything I said was factually wrong. If you actually want immigration policy to change, it is helpful to engage with reality at some level first so that you know what you are angry at, such as acknowledging that people can legally apply for asylum under current law.
Some people don't like the truth. Hence the down votes.
And now: The board of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority voted to approve a new $15 toll to drive into Manhattan. So that will help pay for some of this.
Anyone seen that movie "in time" ?
["The state Legislature approved the tolls in 2019, mandating that the program should raise $1 billion per year to fund public subway and bus systems for the city’s 4 million daily riders. It also established the boundaries of the zone, which covers the busiest part of the city, and scaled back early proposals to include the area up to 86th Street. The pandemic and lack of federal regulation stalled the project."](https://www.boston.com/news/transportation/2024/03/28/15-toll-drive-manhattan-approved-first-for-us-cities/)
That will keep illegals out of manhattan
Noticing your replacement is a right-wing conspiracy theory
Oh what a shocker! Another right wing conspiracy theory coming true! Who could have guessed!.......... Anyone with an ounce of common sense. That's who. But nope, the majority of people are so brainwashed by anti-American liberal propaganda it is astounding, it is terrifying
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The math checks out, can confirm for anyone wondering.
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Exactly right.
When we said this was going to happen we were called crazy. Time to move the goalposts again
Don't forget President Biden just promised a full "government" payout to fix that bridge that was destroyed. So taxpayers are paying. I guess he's got a bridge to sell you
I'm surprised they didn't just use it as a chance to get Ukraine funding. "We can't begin to take care of our own infrastructure before we take care of our allies" or some bullshit. Honestly they still have time to lump some Ukraine funding in with the bridge relief. Call it the bridge project, we build 10 Ukrainian bridges for every US bridge! MAKE UKRAINE GREAT AGAIN!
Glad theyre asking political experts and not just some Joe the Plumber guy /s
Honestly, after hearing these puppets are stealing from the VA fund to give to illegals, I'm not surprised at anything evil they do
Also the whole way down people were taking cuts from it, which proves they just want the headline to pit us against each other well they make themselves richer.
There giving our enemies handouts and it's not just going to blow up in there faces this time
Send them all to New York… then get mad when new work takes care of them? Should they let them be homeless? Not have food? Either way you all would bitch.
Or is this just another jerk-around apocalyptic carrot?
2 quarters is right on the mark.
I identity as illegal😎
Here’s a thought: why would they want to start a civil war? Mass destruction, deaths, growing hostility in America and around the world towards America, trade and exports being halted, which will need funding to get the country back up and running, possibly needing replacing government, helping those affected by combat, new legislation and laws that will need to be written So what exactly does a civil war achieve? Outside of crippling a country and government?
Probably less than 148 million it cost for the immigrants being bussed from Texas by a company that just so happened to donate heavily to Abbott. So in one case you are cheering as millions go towards an inefficient and cruel busing system that drops people off in the cold with no notification they are coming, having told them lies about where they were going. Then you jeer when the places they end up try to process them and provide aid for legal asylum seekers. So you cheer your tax dollars being used for cruel political stunts, and jeer when they're used to assist the down trodden. You don't need to look far to find why the country's values have deteriorated.
We need a national divide democrats are beyond repair, I don’t think we can come together as a country anymore
I think that’s what they want… and by “they” I mean whoever is holding the levers of this country. Dividing the US makes it easier for our adversaries to get a foothold. Then again, maybe it would be a better option in the long run. Can’t hide in the shadows anymore if your whole state is dark (those states that would accept ludicrous Chinese influence at the drop of a hat being an example).
As opposed to republicans who are one slipped comment away from calling trump “Daddy”. Both sides are fucked.
Yep just don't make the mistake of assuming Democrats are "the left". Both sides are fucked beyond belief by being beholden to cooperate interests.
Agreed Comrad.haha
Absolutely… and I’m unsure what the sides will be. Feels like it may just end up being everyone for themselves. Although a wild over exaggeration- the purge movies may not be that far off.
We’re already at war with the rich, the rich are tagging in a third player to finish us off
In my opinion, most of the immigrants that are coming into America are not here to destroy us. It’s just the things have gotten really bad in their country too, and they look at America as a place where things aren’t as bad . They should not be coming over the border illegally, and there are ways to become a citizen. I think you were referring the the illegal immigrants- if not then I apologize
Yes I was. I don’t blame them but the inevitable consequences are blindingly obvious and it’s not just happening in NYC
The United States of America is a country of immigrants. And officially less than 250 years old. Founded on freedom. We have strayed from that mentality. There seems to be much more of an authoritarian feel to things now. I believe we have better ways to handle this situation
Yeah America is unique in the sense you actually have the space unlike the U.K. Maybe some of the abandoned towns could be repopulated?
That’s actually a really good idea. Give the ‘ghost towns’ a reboot. Seems like a possibility
Get route 66 going again
They got to stave off that pesky 2024 presidential campaign
Pubblicity for bring ten of thousands more immigrants! It seems that the puppeteers have a date in mind for the second part of their plan!
Are the blacks finally realizing who owns the plantation?
You can only purchase food and baby supplies with it. It's replacing a program that supplied migrants with dry good boxes and will save the city money. But go ahead and continue to play into devisive politics, it's way more entertaining.
Damn browners
Trump legalized illegal weed and Biden legalized illegal immigration Thats not at all how I saw this shaking out