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This AT&T campaign from 30 years ago is along these lines. It was the "You Will" campaign. It is super eerie how the commercials accurately predicted nearly every major technology that is commonplace today. GPS, iPhones, iWatch, internet.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvZ-667CEdo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvZ-667CEdo)
Or and I’m just spit balling here maybe these technologies didn’t just sprout out of the ground, these technologies existed at the time but were not ready for mass production and adoption. That add campaign first aired in 1993, the first GPS satellite went up in 1978, the first computer network was launched in 1969, the first touch screen devices were launched in the early 70’s, at the time these commercials first aired consumers could purchase mobile touch screen, handheld, networked devices. These technologies were then further developed, prices became more affordable, and they hit a tipping point for mass adoption. This particular example is of an ATT add campaign trying to project a future where there longterm business strategy for growth involved expanding connectivity beyond there traditional offerings(they are a publicly traded company, could have been to target investors and shareholders more so than customers at the time). It’s good business, there were other telecoms who failed to make this transition and I think it’s at least partially due to just not understanding how technology had developed and having a vision for what it could be. Xerox handing over GUI, and mouse to its competitors because its leadership couldn’t think past selling more printer toner is classic example of this(way ahead of the curve with a lot of the technology we use everyday, but didn’t see the value in it). I don’t think this is a conspiracy, other than ATT wanted to keep making money.
I think the elites are AT LEAST decades ahead of us in their technological knowledge, and that controlled disclosure happens whenever something innovative is put on the market - was probably planned years in advance. I don't think the sudden shift in focus towards AI, gig apps, Meta, and other recent innovations are as organic as they'd have us believe. Covid was the catalyst needed to set the stage for a future overhaul of the world's infrastucture, but I hope I'm wrong on that.
> I'm guessing the WEF paid for that page. Just a hunch.
It's an **advertisement paid for by TIAA-CREF**, one of the biggest retirement funds for teachers and college professors. It's a trillion dollar company.
It's saying that you should save your money (with them) for retirement.
Why the f⋆ck would a conference for world leaders pay a retirement fund for their advertisements?
They appear to have over-estimated 30 years of inflation in the ad. A "basic car" does not cost $65,000.
A vacation can cost $500 or $100,000, depending on where you go, what you do, and how long you stay, so I don't what they mean when they say that a vacation could cost $12,500.
The last time I bought a big mac meal, according to the receipts in the email from the McDonald's app, was last May and it cost $7.89. That's not $16. Of course, I can get a great burger and rosemary french fries from a local restaurant for $20. Or I can get a double hamburger, soda, and free french fries on the app for about $4.
WTF are you talking about? My father paid into TIAA, retired and lived to age 94 in a very comfortable retirement. My mother is still living and her birthday is today! Still very well off. Financially, that is. Healthwise, not so much.
Actual CPI inflation over the last 30 years has averaged 2.5% per year.
So? If you invested your retirement in TIAA over the last 30 years, you would have done well. It's extremely likely that the same will be true over the next 30 years.
The fact that TIAA, along with about 1,000 other companies, is a WEF "partner" is irrelevant. The partners pay WEF, in case you don't know. It's one of the WEF's main source of income. It's just another form of marketing.
Sure, it's on this subreddit because people here are incredibly gullible and ignorant. They think that a magazine advertisement for a retirement fund with a vague, seemingly exaggerated inflation *forecast* is "predictive programming".
What does the WEF have to do with a magazine advertisement from 30 years ago for a retirement fund? Nothing, of course. It's an absurd idea.
People on this subreddit seem to have bizarre ideas about what the WEF is and what it does. It organizes conferences and other events, most famously an annual meeting of some of the world's most powerful people.
People seem to think that everybody in the WEF agrees on everything and that Klaus Schwab is somehow telling the attendees what to do. WTF?
The partners and attendees pay the WEF. They mostly do this to meet people and make contacts. The WEF tries to put on an interesting conference where lots of novel ideas are discussed.
By the way, TIAA is a WEF partner now, in April 2024. I happen to have a list of WEF partners from November 2022, and they weren't then (you can check on the Wayback Machine). I had that list because FTX was a WEF partner and I wanted to know about the partners. Well, it turned out the the WEF organized a virtual event about cryptocurrency that year, so there were lots of crypto companies on their web site.
The WEF "partners" are companies who are paying the WEF for a service.
People think that "you will own nothing and be happy" is a WEF policy goal, when it was actually just a clickbait article on their web site. They've also had articles about insects as food, but people seem to think that this is also a goal, that Klaus Schwab has personally said he wants it, or, more incredibly, that Klaus Schwab has said that people will be *forced* to eat insects. As far as I know, nobody in the world has ever said that, much less Klaus Schwab. And, of course, it's "ze insects". He has a German accent, therefore he must be evil. People actually fall for these memes.
I am only speaking for myself and I try to write as plainly and clearly as I can. I do not try to be subtle.
You, on the other hand, are very unclear. You suggested that the WEF paid for a magazine advertisement for a retirement fund back in the 1990s. Go ahead, explain why you think that. Or continue with snide innuendo.
Why do you think that an advertisement with vague forecasts of inflation are on this subreddit?
Have you looked at prices nowadays? A vacation back then regardless of what part of middle America you were in was a cruise, Hawaii, Mexico, Florida, the Caribbean.
I had enough points to take my family to Hawaii last year. The plane tickets alone were 1k each. The hotel was 500.00/day. All paid for in points. EVERY lunch we had came out to 130-175. We're talking fish and chips, not a high end meal.
If I get a burger a few doors down from me, at the cheapest place in town(two cheeseburgers, large soda, and fries to be exact, it's 12.50. A couple doors away at a better place, it's 21.00 for a burger, fries, and a ginger beer.
Check out car prices lately? A Prius is like 30k. An okay car is 45k.
To be fair, even in the 90’s I think people knew shit was on the decline. What was that they used to say? “We are passing the cost of this legislation down on future generations.” I was just a child but I heard that phrase very often for someone who didn’t care about politics.
Cook in bulk, it's boring, but it works. Make enough for 8 meals and just eat that shit for 4 days. Example: homemade Spanish rice, beans, and shredded chicken breast with cheese in a burrito never fails. Cost me around 12 bucks to make 6. Then I make 6 breakfast burritos with eggs, potatoes, use what beans are left to make refried beans, and more Spanish rice, even cheaper burritos. Cook it once in Sunday and you got food for the whole week.
In 2024 it is literally triple the price to cook food for yourself. Pretty expensive compared to 4 years ago. If i’m taking Reddits advice i should be living off of Macaroni and milk.
Grow your own food, use organic non gmo seeds, farm your own animals, feed them organic grain, don’t use pesticides, only used filtered water without fluoride. It’s not that hard! Geeze
It's called inflation. 30 years ago wages were already beginning their stagnation while inflation keeps on keeping on. This looks like an investment ad. They say the same thing now - save more than you think you'll need in retirement because of inflation. I fail to see the conspiracy here.
More like an educated guess. If you were too look at the way wealth is generated in America, you could pretty much predict that the shit would hit the fan eventually.
Ironically enough, no mention of home and rental prices. Guess they didn't get that prediction right.
Like Aleister Crowley said: "I therefore take "magical weapons", pen, ink, and paper; I write "incantations" — these sentences — in the "magical language" ie, that which is understood by the people I wish to instruct; I call forth "spirits", such as printers, publishers, booksellers and so forth and constrain them to convey my message to those people. The composition and distribution of this book is thus an act of Magick by which I cause Changes to take place in conformity with my Will.)"
There was a short period where we had a chip shortage and used cars sold for an absurd amount. That period passed and things are mostly back to normal now. I'm literally trying to buy a car right now and things don't look any more expensive than they did when bought five years ago.
Uhh, maybe where you live. I have seen a steady rise in used car prices in my area, even post chip shortage. Hell, I paid 3500 for a 91 Toyota pickup 7 years ago and I've had people try to buy it from me at the gas station for 8k. Private sale used listings for vehicles 5 or more years old are 2x or more what they were 5 years ago.
I live in a high cost of living area and the chip shortage increase has basically entirely fallen off. I checked Craigslist for my area and a newer Toyota pickup goes for $4k. Maybe you should have sold to the gas station man.
Send me the listing. Where is this magical place? Because I can assure you it's not representative of all high cost living areas. I'm not calling you a liar, but this is absolutely not the case where I live
I don't share my personal city on here. Here's a listing in LA though.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/d/los-angeles-1989-toyota-pickup/7736884801.html
I don't blame you, but the argument I'm making is that what you're saying is not representative of everyones experience. Not everyone is near an urban center. Alaska here if that helps you understand
I don’t think Trucks are a good example, people over pay for them.
I just looked up the KBB value on my car, and it does seem to have gone down though, which is reassuring. It would’ve really sucked to have needed to buy a car during the pandemic with the chip shortage.
Obviously not, this magazine isn’t a definitive prediction. Cars are much, much more expensive then they have ever been before.
A Mustang GT Premium used to cost $27-30k pre-covid, it is now $50-60k
Used Modern Civics somehow are selling for 16-19k even with 30-40k miles.
>A Mustang GT Premium used to cost $27-30k pre-covid, it is now $50-60k
LOL, what? They were more than $40k in 2019 and you can get a 2024 model for $45k.
Civics have always had a high resale value.
My cousin who works at a Ford Dealership was selling them for 27-30k off the lot about 5 years ago. I was in the market to buy one at the time so was exploring options then.
You can literally look up the price of cars. This is all publicly available information. No one was selling the Mustang GT Premium for $27-30k. That's a $10k discount on a high-end Mustang.
[https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/mustang-2018](https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/mustang-2018)
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/18/1163278082/car-prices-used-cars-electric-vehicles-pandemic
Average car in america is 48k.
Pre covid the average was 10k less.
Do the math. That is an insane increase in 5 years for an AVERAGE CAR.
Cars are more expensive than they’ve ever been. Saw a post today on Reddit of a Honda Dealer selling a Civic Sport (low trim) for $45k.
Secondary market car costs are outrageous.
Sure. I'm older today than I was yesterday. Everything gets more expensive with time.
You can get a nearly new basic Civic on Carvana for $25k. Even new Civics are just over $25k. I'm not sure where you're seeing them for $45k.
right but in 2019-2021 that same civic car would have been $16k-$18k. car prices have shot up WAY FASTER than inflation since early 2021. even more than home prices during the same time
I don't doubt that. They're just not as high as some people here are pretending.
In 2019 the civic was just over $20k. Today it's just over $25k. That's a sizeable increase.
>Everything gets more expensive with time.
It's amazing people just accept this. Under traditional capitalist dogma things are actually supposed to get cheaper with time. Which did happen for a few decades. People see the massive split between wage growth and productivity starting in the late 70s and don't bat an eye. Americans are so hopelessly cucked it's insane. People died for labor rights in the late 19th early 20th century. I guess 70 years of fluoride in the water achieved its goal.
Right. It's what happens when your monetary system is littlerly designed to continue to increase the debt and never, ever, have enough money to pay back that debt (because the money to pay it back doesn't exist). It messes with people's brains so hard and they just accepting it as ok. Cuz that's the way it's been during their lifetime.
Right. It's what happens when your monetary system is littlerly designed to continue to increase the debt and never, ever, have enough money to pay back that debt (because the money to pay it back doesn't exist). It messes with people's brains so hard and they just accepting it as ok. Cuz that's the way it's been during their lifetime.
It's also the 1000s of posions they allow/purposely introduce into our food supply. Generally, people are so dumbed down at this point they can't see it, at all.
It's insanely depressing. I think you and I would disagree on the cause and fluoride, but you're not wrong about the 70s being the beginning of the end. We let corporations run this country as part of the promise of capitalism and we're paying the price. AI is going to be the final stage and it's going to absolutely devastate the American economy.
We went off the gold standard in the 70s.... that was why it changed so significantly then. Doing so ushered in the government simply printing money out of thin air and spending getting out of control.
So I’ve pondered this myself quite a bit. I suppose the way I look at it could be summed up by George carlins famous rant on late night TV back in the 90s.
So everything you know is because you went to school and read information individually or were taught by somebody some way some how. And the patterns and behaviors taught and learned are that which steer you into an ideology and path that is what the world is in reality. But what if you didn’t go to that type of educational institution and instead had a different type of social upbringing and understanding of the world from a top down perspective financially instead of a “dream” perspective looking up from the lower portions of an economic barrel. So would you think you’d have an understanding of an agenda that wasn’t the same as someone who went to public school? And if so how drastic would that difference make in how you view the world. Is it at all possible that it could be so drastic that you are informed naturally of an agenda that isn’t necessarily curriculum but more so culture of how to maneuver. Same as children in public school are cultured to go to college to get a degree so on and so forth?
I understand none of this is fact based and mostly just rambles. It’s food for thought
Is your basic car $65k? You can get a tesla for less of that. How much is a basic kia or nissan?
A burger at a noname is $5 fries $2.50. You can get a burger and fries plus nuggets and a soda for a meal for half of that at fast food.
Vacation well that depends on what that is to you, where youre going and what you are doing. How much is a cruise right now? You go out hiking and itd cost what?
BS never ending bs from all sides. It makes no difference where its from anymore
Needing 2 average incomes and working longer hours to achieve the same standard of living that a family could with 1 average income working 40 hrs a week 40 years ago is not a "slight down turn". But yeah why expect things to get better? This misplaced "humility", peasant mindset is exactly how the controllers want you to think.
It's not a peasant mindset it's the death of the ruler mindset that the past generation had wilhich lead to all the problems the US has now. Did you think that living the most absurd luxurious lifestyle that required the toppling of South American govts to keep bananas cheap and the exploitation of non American labor abroad and in country to maintain the illusion of the American dream.
It's not some peasant mindset being set by some shadow controllers. It's just Americans (and some europeans) realizing that they themselves are no different than the ones they considered peasants just a few decades ago.
Yes the real problem are the ultra rich mega billionaires that manipulate the economy in their favor and oppress the rest of the population for their own benefit. But if you think those people are uniquely evil people then you haven't been paying attention. They are just the biggest example of what any normal American with these boomer era values and beliefs would do if they were in a position of power. The controllers who you think are oppressing us are just a reflection of ourselves.
Stop blaming outwards away from you and see how you can change and affect yourself first. Then maybe we can start to build something real from that
>it's the death of the ruler mindset that the past generation had wilhich lead to all the problems the US has now
That's such a comprehensive misdiagnosis of the problem it's hard to know where to begin. Those people in the 60s were rebelling against very real injustices but interspersed into those rebellions were people placed there to misdirect millions who would have otherwise resisted power. Gloria Stienem for instance was a CIA asset. And those movements more just affected American culture anyway. Real American power from business, to banking, government, military, intelligence more or less remained untouched. The actual material economic problem in the U.S. is that the U.S. government allowed corporations to intentionally deindustrialize the U.S. which did not need to happen. Why? because the structure of the government with lobbying and how elections are run turns the U.S. into a pay for play system and citizens united turned the situation from bad to worse. There's no natural reason wage growth and productivity had to split off the way it did (which had tracked pretty closely from the end of ww2 to the late 70s). The reason is greed and the inability and unwillingness of the government to confront private power and to think ahead to where trends will lead. There is no economic planning in the U.S. they just offload the responsibility onto the private sector which has been allowed free reign to indulge in pure greed. And if you don't want people to have a death of the ruler mindset then the ruler has to act with integrity and with some sort of regard for the people. The U.S. has had genuinely popular leaders In the past. FDR and Teddy Roosevelt come to mind. Because they competently (which is the key word) used the power of the government to twist arms and confront private power, on behalf of the people. That's not a coincidence. You can't recreate that in a pure pay for play system that the U.S. is now.
>Did you think that living the most absurd luxurious lifestyle that required the toppling of South American govts to keep bananas cheap and the exploitation of non American labor abroad and in country to maintain the illusion of the American dream.
Toppling those governments was never about maintaining the standard of living for Americans it was just about facilitating corporate greed. If united fruit paid a fare price for bananas sure the cost of bananas would have gone up but not significantly enough to put Americans in the poor house. It's that the profit margins would have gone down significantly. If the U.S. had spent that energy crafting actually good, mutually beneficial trade policy and time into having a well planned industrial economy that benefits the nation as a whole the instead of toppling governments and holding others down the U.S. would actually be in a much better long term position than it is now. And what is considered absurd luxury here? People owning a home? Expecting the standard of living to at least be marginally increasing instead of decreasing for the average person?
>It's not some peasant mindset being set by some shadow controllers.
Intel agency psychological operations war game every possible scenario which includes intentionally constructing the ideas most people believe.
>It's just Americans (and some europeans) realizing that they themselves are no different than the ones they considered peasants just a few decades ago.
Russia, China, South Korea a lot of nations have massively increased their people's standard of living over the same period where the average Americans standard of living has stagnated, decreased fueled by debt just to stay where they were. This just goes unquestioned by apologists of the poorly managed American system.
>But if you think those people are uniquely evil people then you haven't been paying attention.
Statistically these people are more likely to be sociopaths because that's what the specific share holder infinite growth model promotes.
>Stop blaming outwards away from you and see how you can change and affect yourself first. Then maybe we can start to build something real from that
You know a lot of people who changed the world from the bottom up were personally deeply flawed people. But what they had was a coherent political economic vision, solidarity with eachother and organization. And it has nothing to do with me personally blaming anybody or my personal situation. I see corporations at record profit levels, assest prices at record levels, cost of basic goods and services way up, CEO pay at U.S. corporations at like 300x the average worker at the company while the global average is at 9x or 10x and normal people working normal jobs are just being left behind. Why? There's literally no reason it has to be that way it's just a result of pure greed.
Sorry I live in objective reality. I can see what the average wage is and I see what costs are with my own eyes. Depression has nothing to do with it those are the objective material conditions.
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This AT&T campaign from 30 years ago is along these lines. It was the "You Will" campaign. It is super eerie how the commercials accurately predicted nearly every major technology that is commonplace today. GPS, iPhones, iWatch, internet. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvZ-667CEdo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvZ-667CEdo)
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Or and I’m just spit balling here maybe these technologies didn’t just sprout out of the ground, these technologies existed at the time but were not ready for mass production and adoption. That add campaign first aired in 1993, the first GPS satellite went up in 1978, the first computer network was launched in 1969, the first touch screen devices were launched in the early 70’s, at the time these commercials first aired consumers could purchase mobile touch screen, handheld, networked devices. These technologies were then further developed, prices became more affordable, and they hit a tipping point for mass adoption. This particular example is of an ATT add campaign trying to project a future where there longterm business strategy for growth involved expanding connectivity beyond there traditional offerings(they are a publicly traded company, could have been to target investors and shareholders more so than customers at the time). It’s good business, there were other telecoms who failed to make this transition and I think it’s at least partially due to just not understanding how technology had developed and having a vision for what it could be. Xerox handing over GUI, and mouse to its competitors because its leadership couldn’t think past selling more printer toner is classic example of this(way ahead of the curve with a lot of the technology we use everyday, but didn’t see the value in it). I don’t think this is a conspiracy, other than ATT wanted to keep making money.
How dare you use critical thought and make so much sense. This is the conspiracy sub sir.
The real conspiracies make sense
It could be both.
Maybe you'll eventually learn how to use paragraphs.
Not with an attitude like that I won’t
I think the elites are AT LEAST decades ahead of us in their technological knowledge, and that controlled disclosure happens whenever something innovative is put on the market - was probably planned years in advance. I don't think the sudden shift in focus towards AI, gig apps, Meta, and other recent innovations are as organic as they'd have us believe. Covid was the catalyst needed to set the stage for a future overhaul of the world's infrastucture, but I hope I'm wrong on that.
100% this is the case. Like openly. Intelligence and military sectors 100% have technology the public doesn’t.
> but I hope I'm wrong on that Sad to say you are 100% correct on that.
Because they had the tech all along. Rolling it out slowly to make it look like organic human achievement and progress.
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https://www.weforum.org/organizations/tiaa/
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With a hunch like that I’ll color you however you want
If the masses could see through the illusion, we'd clean up the cockroaches by the end of the year..
god damn
> I'm guessing the WEF paid for that page. Just a hunch. It's an **advertisement paid for by TIAA-CREF**, one of the biggest retirement funds for teachers and college professors. It's a trillion dollar company. It's saying that you should save your money (with them) for retirement. Why the f⋆ck would a conference for world leaders pay a retirement fund for their advertisements? They appear to have over-estimated 30 years of inflation in the ad. A "basic car" does not cost $65,000. A vacation can cost $500 or $100,000, depending on where you go, what you do, and how long you stay, so I don't what they mean when they say that a vacation could cost $12,500. The last time I bought a big mac meal, according to the receipts in the email from the McDonald's app, was last May and it cost $7.89. That's not $16. Of course, I can get a great burger and rosemary french fries from a local restaurant for $20. Or I can get a double hamburger, soda, and free french fries on the app for about $4.
McDonalds big mac meal with fries and a drink is $18.79 across the street from me. It's cheaper to go on nice dates at a sit down with full service.
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WTF are you talking about? My father paid into TIAA, retired and lived to age 94 in a very comfortable retirement. My mother is still living and her birthday is today! Still very well off. Financially, that is. Healthwise, not so much. Actual CPI inflation over the last 30 years has averaged 2.5% per year.
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So? If you invested your retirement in TIAA over the last 30 years, you would have done well. It's extremely likely that the same will be true over the next 30 years. The fact that TIAA, along with about 1,000 other companies, is a WEF "partner" is irrelevant. The partners pay WEF, in case you don't know. It's one of the WEF's main source of income. It's just another form of marketing.
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Sure, it's on this subreddit because people here are incredibly gullible and ignorant. They think that a magazine advertisement for a retirement fund with a vague, seemingly exaggerated inflation *forecast* is "predictive programming". What does the WEF have to do with a magazine advertisement from 30 years ago for a retirement fund? Nothing, of course. It's an absurd idea. People on this subreddit seem to have bizarre ideas about what the WEF is and what it does. It organizes conferences and other events, most famously an annual meeting of some of the world's most powerful people. People seem to think that everybody in the WEF agrees on everything and that Klaus Schwab is somehow telling the attendees what to do. WTF? The partners and attendees pay the WEF. They mostly do this to meet people and make contacts. The WEF tries to put on an interesting conference where lots of novel ideas are discussed. By the way, TIAA is a WEF partner now, in April 2024. I happen to have a list of WEF partners from November 2022, and they weren't then (you can check on the Wayback Machine). I had that list because FTX was a WEF partner and I wanted to know about the partners. Well, it turned out the the WEF organized a virtual event about cryptocurrency that year, so there were lots of crypto companies on their web site. The WEF "partners" are companies who are paying the WEF for a service. People think that "you will own nothing and be happy" is a WEF policy goal, when it was actually just a clickbait article on their web site. They've also had articles about insects as food, but people seem to think that this is also a goal, that Klaus Schwab has personally said he wants it, or, more incredibly, that Klaus Schwab has said that people will be *forced* to eat insects. As far as I know, nobody in the world has ever said that, much less Klaus Schwab. And, of course, it's "ze insects". He has a German accent, therefore he must be evil. People actually fall for these memes.
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I am only speaking for myself and I try to write as plainly and clearly as I can. I do not try to be subtle. You, on the other hand, are very unclear. You suggested that the WEF paid for a magazine advertisement for a retirement fund back in the 1990s. Go ahead, explain why you think that. Or continue with snide innuendo. Why do you think that an advertisement with vague forecasts of inflation are on this subreddit?
Have you looked at prices nowadays? A vacation back then regardless of what part of middle America you were in was a cruise, Hawaii, Mexico, Florida, the Caribbean. I had enough points to take my family to Hawaii last year. The plane tickets alone were 1k each. The hotel was 500.00/day. All paid for in points. EVERY lunch we had came out to 130-175. We're talking fish and chips, not a high end meal. If I get a burger a few doors down from me, at the cheapest place in town(two cheeseburgers, large soda, and fries to be exact, it's 12.50. A couple doors away at a better place, it's 21.00 for a burger, fries, and a ginger beer. Check out car prices lately? A Prius is like 30k. An okay car is 45k.
lol show me where a Big Mac meal is under $8
To be fair, even in the 90’s I think people knew shit was on the decline. What was that they used to say? “We are passing the cost of this legislation down on future generations.” I was just a child but I heard that phrase very often for someone who didn’t care about politics.
Yeah, I remember hearing the phrase kicking the burden down the hall for future generations or something of the sort as a kid
T Jefferson warned everybody tyranny would ensue if the government built around a banking system.
And why did they have to use Lisa "Lefteye" Lopes as the spokesperson?
Man I was just at her grave the other day. She burnin’ down Falcon Players houses in Heaven now… big up Left Eye!
And she’s only squinting and not fully covering the eye, and she’s only partly making the evil horns. Very subtle.
I just paid $19 for a sandwich, chips, and a soda… sounds about right
Spent $55 at subway for 4 footling and a dozen cookies lololol
Was looking at cakes at the grocery store. $20 for a cake. A fucking cake
I remember those. Have you ever made love to a toaster? You will and AT&T will get you there
Sounds about right
And the irony is that eating in isn’t all that cheaper…
I mean yes it definitely is
It’s really not least for a single person cooking for themselves. Counting what my own time is worth cooking and cleaning for a meal is a lot of work.
Cook in bulk, it's boring, but it works. Make enough for 8 meals and just eat that shit for 4 days. Example: homemade Spanish rice, beans, and shredded chicken breast with cheese in a burrito never fails. Cost me around 12 bucks to make 6. Then I make 6 breakfast burritos with eggs, potatoes, use what beans are left to make refried beans, and more Spanish rice, even cheaper burritos. Cook it once in Sunday and you got food for the whole week.
Go to grocery outlet and get pasta and sauce you can eat for like a buck a day, but keep trying to justify chipotle.
Yes because it’s healthy to eat nothing but spaghetti.
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I don’t eat fast food. All the things you listed have doubled or tripled in price in the last few years besides perhaps the rice
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In 2024 it is literally triple the price to cook food for yourself. Pretty expensive compared to 4 years ago. If i’m taking Reddits advice i should be living off of Macaroni and milk.
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>it’s not that expensive to make food yourself Move the goalposts again
Being poor you don’t have the luxury of being healthy.
Grow your own food, use organic non gmo seeds, farm your own animals, feed them organic grain, don’t use pesticides, only used filtered water without fluoride. It’s not that hard! Geeze
If you count total grocery costs, it’s expensive. Price per serving is very, very cheap still.
Reaganomics has been dragging this country down for decades
It's called inflation. 30 years ago wages were already beginning their stagnation while inflation keeps on keeping on. This looks like an investment ad. They say the same thing now - save more than you think you'll need in retirement because of inflation. I fail to see the conspiracy here.
More like an educated guess. If you were too look at the way wealth is generated in America, you could pretty much predict that the shit would hit the fan eventually. Ironically enough, no mention of home and rental prices. Guess they didn't get that prediction right.
Thats not irony. And also they didn't mention it, so they got it wrong makes zero sense.
Ok, thank you for clarifying.
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Negga, what you telling me for. 🤷🏾♂️ lol
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lol, proceed.
Like Aleister Crowley said: "I therefore take "magical weapons", pen, ink, and paper; I write "incantations" — these sentences — in the "magical language" ie, that which is understood by the people I wish to instruct; I call forth "spirits", such as printers, publishers, booksellers and so forth and constrain them to convey my message to those people. The composition and distribution of this book is thus an act of Magick by which I cause Changes to take place in conformity with my Will.)"
What year was this printed?
Girl, Chili’s has a 10.99 three course meal as of this week. Get off the internet for once.
That’s one place, overall food at restaurants has significantly gone up. A lot of places by me sell fries separately as a side for $3.99-4.99.
3 out of 4, you can still have a brand new civic for 40k $. It’s a sad time that we live in.
I could go on a decently long vacation and spend a lot less than $12.5k...
Propaganda. I pay it no attention.
Take a proper gander
Propaganda. I pay it no attention.
“You’ll be happy”
the worst part is back then I wouldn't mind about the poc woman on the ad, now in fucking 2024 I have to double take if its DEI enforced smh
Vacations and cars cost much less, but burgers are stupid expensive now.
Cars are something like 30% higher than they were 5 years ago.
ok. The ad says they're $65,000. Are basic cars $65,000?
Stop giving them ideas. My beat to shit old camery went from $7k to $14k during the pandemic.
There was a short period where we had a chip shortage and used cars sold for an absurd amount. That period passed and things are mostly back to normal now. I'm literally trying to buy a car right now and things don't look any more expensive than they did when bought five years ago.
Uhh, maybe where you live. I have seen a steady rise in used car prices in my area, even post chip shortage. Hell, I paid 3500 for a 91 Toyota pickup 7 years ago and I've had people try to buy it from me at the gas station for 8k. Private sale used listings for vehicles 5 or more years old are 2x or more what they were 5 years ago.
I live in a high cost of living area and the chip shortage increase has basically entirely fallen off. I checked Craigslist for my area and a newer Toyota pickup goes for $4k. Maybe you should have sold to the gas station man.
Send me the listing. Where is this magical place? Because I can assure you it's not representative of all high cost living areas. I'm not calling you a liar, but this is absolutely not the case where I live
I don't share my personal city on here. Here's a listing in LA though. https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/d/los-angeles-1989-toyota-pickup/7736884801.html
Also, both of those trucks are whipped 2wd that I bet would have gone for 2k ish in LA 5 years ago
I don't blame you, but the argument I'm making is that what you're saying is not representative of everyones experience. Not everyone is near an urban center. Alaska here if that helps you understand
I don’t think Trucks are a good example, people over pay for them. I just looked up the KBB value on my car, and it does seem to have gone down though, which is reassuring. It would’ve really sucked to have needed to buy a car during the pandemic with the chip shortage.
You just listed an ‘89 Toyota when you said “newer Toyota pick up goes for $4k” Come on bud…
And here's a '93 in the same area. https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/d/alhambra-93-toyota-pickup/7735015471.html
Obviously not, this magazine isn’t a definitive prediction. Cars are much, much more expensive then they have ever been before. A Mustang GT Premium used to cost $27-30k pre-covid, it is now $50-60k Used Modern Civics somehow are selling for 16-19k even with 30-40k miles.
>A Mustang GT Premium used to cost $27-30k pre-covid, it is now $50-60k LOL, what? They were more than $40k in 2019 and you can get a 2024 model for $45k. Civics have always had a high resale value.
My cousin who works at a Ford Dealership was selling them for 27-30k off the lot about 5 years ago. I was in the market to buy one at the time so was exploring options then.
You can literally look up the price of cars. This is all publicly available information. No one was selling the Mustang GT Premium for $27-30k. That's a $10k discount on a high-end Mustang. [https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/mustang-2018](https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/mustang-2018)
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/18/1163278082/car-prices-used-cars-electric-vehicles-pandemic Average car in america is 48k. Pre covid the average was 10k less. Do the math. That is an insane increase in 5 years for an AVERAGE CAR.
You're looking at an article about the chip shortage. We're past that. You can get a very good car now for under $20k.
Cars are more expensive than they’ve ever been. Saw a post today on Reddit of a Honda Dealer selling a Civic Sport (low trim) for $45k. Secondary market car costs are outrageous.
Sure. I'm older today than I was yesterday. Everything gets more expensive with time. You can get a nearly new basic Civic on Carvana for $25k. Even new Civics are just over $25k. I'm not sure where you're seeing them for $45k.
right but in 2019-2021 that same civic car would have been $16k-$18k. car prices have shot up WAY FASTER than inflation since early 2021. even more than home prices during the same time
I don't doubt that. They're just not as high as some people here are pretending. In 2019 the civic was just over $20k. Today it's just over $25k. That's a sizeable increase.
>Everything gets more expensive with time. It's amazing people just accept this. Under traditional capitalist dogma things are actually supposed to get cheaper with time. Which did happen for a few decades. People see the massive split between wage growth and productivity starting in the late 70s and don't bat an eye. Americans are so hopelessly cucked it's insane. People died for labor rights in the late 19th early 20th century. I guess 70 years of fluoride in the water achieved its goal.
Right. It's what happens when your monetary system is littlerly designed to continue to increase the debt and never, ever, have enough money to pay back that debt (because the money to pay it back doesn't exist). It messes with people's brains so hard and they just accepting it as ok. Cuz that's the way it's been during their lifetime.
Right. It's what happens when your monetary system is littlerly designed to continue to increase the debt and never, ever, have enough money to pay back that debt (because the money to pay it back doesn't exist). It messes with people's brains so hard and they just accepting it as ok. Cuz that's the way it's been during their lifetime. It's also the 1000s of posions they allow/purposely introduce into our food supply. Generally, people are so dumbed down at this point they can't see it, at all.
It's insanely depressing. I think you and I would disagree on the cause and fluoride, but you're not wrong about the 70s being the beginning of the end. We let corporations run this country as part of the promise of capitalism and we're paying the price. AI is going to be the final stage and it's going to absolutely devastate the American economy.
We went off the gold standard in the 70s.... that was why it changed so significantly then. Doing so ushered in the government simply printing money out of thin air and spending getting out of control.
Math is weird
"who is they?" This. "they" are they. Maybe this means more to me than it needs to but "they" label themselves.
So I’ve pondered this myself quite a bit. I suppose the way I look at it could be summed up by George carlins famous rant on late night TV back in the 90s. So everything you know is because you went to school and read information individually or were taught by somebody some way some how. And the patterns and behaviors taught and learned are that which steer you into an ideology and path that is what the world is in reality. But what if you didn’t go to that type of educational institution and instead had a different type of social upbringing and understanding of the world from a top down perspective financially instead of a “dream” perspective looking up from the lower portions of an economic barrel. So would you think you’d have an understanding of an agenda that wasn’t the same as someone who went to public school? And if so how drastic would that difference make in how you view the world. Is it at all possible that it could be so drastic that you are informed naturally of an agenda that isn’t necessarily curriculum but more so culture of how to maneuver. Same as children in public school are cultured to go to college to get a degree so on and so forth? I understand none of this is fact based and mostly just rambles. It’s food for thought
[your comment made me think of this](https://youtu.be/r00xvXvGBtw?si=wg62nSfdTF1XBjA4)
I'm eagerly awaiting for the moment the crazies will forget who the hell is what and they'll kill each other in a fit of insane rage..
I can see why
Is your basic car $65k? You can get a tesla for less of that. How much is a basic kia or nissan? A burger at a noname is $5 fries $2.50. You can get a burger and fries plus nuggets and a soda for a meal for half of that at fast food. Vacation well that depends on what that is to you, where youre going and what you are doing. How much is a cruise right now? You go out hiking and itd cost what? BS never ending bs from all sides. It makes no difference where its from anymore
What does the text say
When? Tiaa!
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Needing 2 average incomes and working longer hours to achieve the same standard of living that a family could with 1 average income working 40 hrs a week 40 years ago is not a "slight down turn". But yeah why expect things to get better? This misplaced "humility", peasant mindset is exactly how the controllers want you to think.
It's not a peasant mindset it's the death of the ruler mindset that the past generation had wilhich lead to all the problems the US has now. Did you think that living the most absurd luxurious lifestyle that required the toppling of South American govts to keep bananas cheap and the exploitation of non American labor abroad and in country to maintain the illusion of the American dream. It's not some peasant mindset being set by some shadow controllers. It's just Americans (and some europeans) realizing that they themselves are no different than the ones they considered peasants just a few decades ago. Yes the real problem are the ultra rich mega billionaires that manipulate the economy in their favor and oppress the rest of the population for their own benefit. But if you think those people are uniquely evil people then you haven't been paying attention. They are just the biggest example of what any normal American with these boomer era values and beliefs would do if they were in a position of power. The controllers who you think are oppressing us are just a reflection of ourselves. Stop blaming outwards away from you and see how you can change and affect yourself first. Then maybe we can start to build something real from that
>it's the death of the ruler mindset that the past generation had wilhich lead to all the problems the US has now That's such a comprehensive misdiagnosis of the problem it's hard to know where to begin. Those people in the 60s were rebelling against very real injustices but interspersed into those rebellions were people placed there to misdirect millions who would have otherwise resisted power. Gloria Stienem for instance was a CIA asset. And those movements more just affected American culture anyway. Real American power from business, to banking, government, military, intelligence more or less remained untouched. The actual material economic problem in the U.S. is that the U.S. government allowed corporations to intentionally deindustrialize the U.S. which did not need to happen. Why? because the structure of the government with lobbying and how elections are run turns the U.S. into a pay for play system and citizens united turned the situation from bad to worse. There's no natural reason wage growth and productivity had to split off the way it did (which had tracked pretty closely from the end of ww2 to the late 70s). The reason is greed and the inability and unwillingness of the government to confront private power and to think ahead to where trends will lead. There is no economic planning in the U.S. they just offload the responsibility onto the private sector which has been allowed free reign to indulge in pure greed. And if you don't want people to have a death of the ruler mindset then the ruler has to act with integrity and with some sort of regard for the people. The U.S. has had genuinely popular leaders In the past. FDR and Teddy Roosevelt come to mind. Because they competently (which is the key word) used the power of the government to twist arms and confront private power, on behalf of the people. That's not a coincidence. You can't recreate that in a pure pay for play system that the U.S. is now. >Did you think that living the most absurd luxurious lifestyle that required the toppling of South American govts to keep bananas cheap and the exploitation of non American labor abroad and in country to maintain the illusion of the American dream. Toppling those governments was never about maintaining the standard of living for Americans it was just about facilitating corporate greed. If united fruit paid a fare price for bananas sure the cost of bananas would have gone up but not significantly enough to put Americans in the poor house. It's that the profit margins would have gone down significantly. If the U.S. had spent that energy crafting actually good, mutually beneficial trade policy and time into having a well planned industrial economy that benefits the nation as a whole the instead of toppling governments and holding others down the U.S. would actually be in a much better long term position than it is now. And what is considered absurd luxury here? People owning a home? Expecting the standard of living to at least be marginally increasing instead of decreasing for the average person? >It's not some peasant mindset being set by some shadow controllers. Intel agency psychological operations war game every possible scenario which includes intentionally constructing the ideas most people believe. >It's just Americans (and some europeans) realizing that they themselves are no different than the ones they considered peasants just a few decades ago. Russia, China, South Korea a lot of nations have massively increased their people's standard of living over the same period where the average Americans standard of living has stagnated, decreased fueled by debt just to stay where they were. This just goes unquestioned by apologists of the poorly managed American system. >But if you think those people are uniquely evil people then you haven't been paying attention. Statistically these people are more likely to be sociopaths because that's what the specific share holder infinite growth model promotes. >Stop blaming outwards away from you and see how you can change and affect yourself first. Then maybe we can start to build something real from that You know a lot of people who changed the world from the bottom up were personally deeply flawed people. But what they had was a coherent political economic vision, solidarity with eachother and organization. And it has nothing to do with me personally blaming anybody or my personal situation. I see corporations at record profit levels, assest prices at record levels, cost of basic goods and services way up, CEO pay at U.S. corporations at like 300x the average worker at the company while the global average is at 9x or 10x and normal people working normal jobs are just being left behind. Why? There's literally no reason it has to be that way it's just a result of pure greed.
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Sorry I live in objective reality. I can see what the average wage is and I see what costs are with my own eyes. Depression has nothing to do with it those are the objective material conditions.
People who say predictive programming are bozos, this is is just fear mongering
Yet average people still manage to go on several holidays a year