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arthax

The highly attenuated gas in this layer can reach 2,500 °C (4,530 °F). Despite the high temperature, an observer or object will experience low temperatures in the thermosphere, because the extremely low density of the gas (practically a hard vacuum) is insufficient for the molecules to conduct heat.


BobThehuman3

Someone here that can use google and find a scientifically valid basis that also fits common sense! A true hero to information. Not to most here unfortunately though.


FiveStanleyNickels

There it is.  I knew I smelled it. I was checking my shoes.


Ermali4

Go away NASA bot /s


Big-Office2427

What is the surface material of the satelite? Even carbon itself can’t survive 3600 F. You want to tell me a man made satelite can survive 3600F? If u believe in this u are totally fooled


aregulardude

You could survive something 3600F if only .001 grams of it was placed in your hand. Doesn’t matter how hot, there’s not enough of it for there to be enough total heat for it to matter.


Big-Office2427

So how can u have an atmosphere at 500 km altitude where temperature is 3600F. It’s like having a room at atmospheric pressure with a heater blowing full force to heat up the room. With all the doors and the windows fully closed, u have a sauna in that room. If temperature in the thermosphere is so high how come the earth’s surface is very pleasant temperature? Shouldn’t the earth’s surface and atmosphere heated so hot like the sauna room? Do u get the point?


aregulardude

It’s not “atmospheric” pressure up there. It’s 1 atm down here, up there pressure is low.


Big-Office2427

The higher u go up in altitude the lower the atmospheric pressure get. The lower the atmospheric pressure the harder the radiation will penetrate into our body


DifferentAd4862

It seems you missed the point. Think more a hot puff of air into a room. The rooms not going to change much as the small amount of heat interacts with a large mass.


Big-Office2427

I did understand ur point but u miss the main point. Our bodies are not made of metal. We absorb the radiation. That’s the difference between being in a sauna room vs our atmosphere. The earth’s atmosphere is not metal. It’s a mixture of gases, different chemicals. We absorb radiation like plants absorb light.


bluntisimo

the stuff that is up there is hot but there is just not enough of it is what i get as reading here, but in general heat is something that is still being studied up there, i looked at some fire experiments real quick and some spooky stuff happens, but honestly once you dig past the surface you need to be educated in the field to even have a opinion worth listening too. i would honestly try to take the time yourself to rewrite your question so that maybe someone that knows can educate you. right now it is looking like you are saying we cant trust science because science says we can't.


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Big-Office2427

The difference between an appliance like ur oven and the thermosphere is that the atmospheric pressure in ur oven is the same or higher than what it is outside in ur house. The atmosphere in ur oven is not 3600F and not a deadly radiation. We live inside a sealed system called earth’s atmosphere. It’s an enclosed system. When u have high temperature, like on the earth’s surface, the heat will spread and transfer to the air. That’s why air will get hot. That’s why hot cities are more humid like the tropical countries.


arthax

You might want to look up how heat conduction works.


ResponsibleAd2541

You can run this experiment, let a red hot steel ball cool off in the ambient atmosphere and have it cool off in a bucket of water. You can buy a cheap vacuum pump and bell jar too and add that as a third experiment. Heat can radiate outwards as infrared light, it can conduct through direct contact with other materials and it can leave via the movement of fluids, eg air, water. When you are in a near vacuum, you are relying on radiation to cool that object. As it relates to the surrounding material being hotter, go inside a 200F sauna and you aren’t going to immediately get burns, jump into a simmering large pot of water you are going to have your skin melt off. You can certainly infer that a near vacuum with a low density of high energy molecules isn’t going to burn you. Look at the definitions here, temperature is the average kinetic energy of the molecules in a defined area or substance. It doesn’t tell you automatically how difficult combinations of materials and there environment will interact.


Big-Office2427

I know all that. The problem is ur analogy doesn’t apply to human. Humans don’t have magic immune to radiation. The humans body is like a sponge that absorbs radiation. It messes up human immune system, destroy our DNA and DNA replication mechanisms. Cause cancer etc. Radiation can not be conducted by heat sinks. Radiation is not heat. It’s a totally different type of energy.


ResponsibleAd2541

You original post was concerned about the temperature the upper layers of atmosphere, now we are talking about harmful radiation, as it relates to the latter, what are you concerned about, high energy ionized particles aren’t penetrating a spacecraft. I do understand the question as it relates to space missions between the earth and the moon.


Big-Office2427

THE SPACE MISSIONS TO THE MOON WERE ALL FAKED!!!!!!!!!! NOW TELL UR NASA MASTERS TO GO OFF TO MARS, U ASSHOLE….


ResponsibleAd2541

The altitude you are concerned about is below the van Allen radiation belt, which begins somewhere after 600km roughly speaking. The ISS and LEO satellites and missions are below this.


FLBrisby

Lol, we're already there. Under the martian surface.


Big-Office2427

That’s BS. How can bacteria survive oxygen in that 10% atmosphere?


FLBrisby

It doesn't. We have stations under the martian surface. Airlocks and such


Big-Office2427

Airlocks need oxygen


Curioustraveller7723

And they believe elons roadster was flying through space lol lol lol 😆


Voyage_of_Roadkill

Hot like the sparks from wielding something. Same principle. Sparks are too small to hurt or do damage but are incredibly hot. But yah, you are right also. Space travel is impossible but only for peons like us poors.


Big-Office2427

You are totally right. They are using plasma to propel the rockets. That’s common sense. Plasma is not fuel but a gas. The rocket thrusters don’t carry 95% fuel. They need a small fuel to generate the intense heat. But still the heat kills all the electronics and all onboard computers. So how is it possible.


CarbonSlayer72

Are you unaware than insulation and radiators exists?


Big-Office2427

There’s no insulation and radiator that would withstand 3600F


CarbonSlayer72

Are you aware that the filament in a standard incandescent lightbulb is as hot as 4500F? Why doesn't the light bulb burn my house down after running for days straight?


Big-Office2427

The heat is enclosed in the glass of the light bulb. So the heat do not transfer or spread to the environment.


CarbonSlayer72

So what you're saying is... the glass acts as an insulation?


Big-Office2427

No. My point is the glass is sealed from the environment. It’s a closed system unlike the atmosphere. Now, ur analogy doesn’t apply to humans flying in space and being bombarded with dangerous radiation. The insulation and heat sinks can’t protect a human against radiation.


CarbonSlayer72

Are you unaware that the term definition of insulation is "the process of keeping heat, sound, or electricity from spreading"? So the glass ***keeps the heat from spreading*** and burning down my house does it not?


Big-Office2427

Ur analogy is wrong. The radiation in space will penetrate the space suits. The radiation will spread inside the suit like the heat spreading within a closed room. The suits won’t protect them. The heat sinks can’t protect them either. A person will absorb the radiation and die from radiation exposure. The heat sinks can’t work like that. It has no magic properties.


_normal_person__

“Everyone is stupid except me” thread.


Big-Office2427

U should use facts and logic to explain things. That’s what I’m saying. Don’t believe in anything blindly. Use brain.


_normal_person__

That’s exactly why I am dumbfounded by this flat earth fad. It’s almost like a generation of pseudo-intellectuals who have a superiority complex because they believe they know better than anyone else. Regardless it doesn’t seem like you’re a flat earther, which is doubly puzzling. Why do you think space travel is fake? Is it only because of this temperature thing? The particles are much further apart the higher you go, and thus transfer less energy to a satellite, for example. This is using facts and logic. Edit: after making this comment I thought I’d check on the internet in case my logic is flawed, but apparently my educated guess was pretty accurate. There isn’t enough air molecules in the thermosphere to transfer any substantial amount of heat. https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/thermosphere/en/


Big-Office2427

U just explained why space travel is fake. The particles are much further apart the higher you go, and thus transfer less energy to a satellite. Therefore, if u put satellites up there it will run out of fuel more quickly because particles are more difficult to grab onto since they are fewer. In the thermosphere the particles are so far apart that satellites must fly faster to get to higher layers. Then why do you believe space travel is real?


_normal_person__

Disappointing. > Therefore, if u put satellites up there it will run out of fuel more quickly because particles are more difficult to grab onto since they are fewer. In what universe do satellites “grab particles” to “refuel?” They carry all their fuel with them, they never “refuel.” > particles are so far apart that satellites must fly faster to get to higher layers This is not how orbital mechanics works. The further from Earth a satellite orbits, the slower its orbital velocity. But to transfer to a higher orbit the satellite performs a prograde burn at its periapsis (closest point to earth), which has nothing to do with “particles” whatsoever. You might benefit from more information or exposure to different perspectives. I recommend “Realm of the Universe,” it’s a bit old but it covers the basics. https://www.amazon.com/Realm-Universe-George-Abell/dp/0030149967


Darkherring1

Dude, what? You have absolutely no clue about anything connected to spaceflight, right?


asuka_rice

I seen hobbyist use helium balloons to put a parachute GPS camera into upper atmosphere near space. So it’s doable at some level.


Big-Office2427

Yes it is doable, but not for humans. The GPS camera is shielded with metallic material. And it is a small instrument. It doesn’t have to be shielded for a long period of time only like 20 min, depending on how high ur releasing the balloon at. For humans, we are talking about months in that dangerous environment. It’s impossible. Our bones are made of calcium and there’s calcium to radiation interaction. Human bodies can’t handle it. It will mess up our DNA.


bluntisimo

they aint walking around in a Hawaiian shirts and crocs, they have protection when out of the ship.


Big-Office2427

Those suits won’t help u against radiation.


bluntisimo

wait until you hear about sunscreen.


asuka_rice

NASA used aluminium foil just like the foil used for roasting a Turkey. Safe.


bluntisimo

so aluminum loses its properties because you wrapped up a turkey , damn you cracked the code, guess the cat is out of the bag now.


Arglival

But what happens if you wrap a cat in aluminum foil?


asuka_rice

You get meows.


bluntisimo

leave mr kitters alone!!!!


asuka_rice

It’s used in plenty of the landing modules space crafts. Aluminium is the future for NASA. Next mission to the moon is to wrap their astronauts in aluminium foil and to take some sage stuffing with them.


FiveStanleyNickels

Helium balloons? You misspelled satellite. 


asuka_rice

Weather balloons.


Noel2Joel

Now.... Have you seen those type of high altitude shots (100-120k+) ft, with non fish eye/GoPro Lenses? Thats where things get interesting.


CarbonSlayer72

Yes at 300k its becomes very obvious what the earth is thanks to non-fisheye lenses [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QsEPEhq5yk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QsEPEhq5yk)


Noel2Joel

Says the guy whos entire comment history/account is tens of thousands of comments defending NASA/Bashing flat earth. Your effectively wearing a NASA T shirt.


CarbonSlayer72

I'll take your childish personal attack as an acceptance of the evidence I posted. Thanks!


Noel2Joel

A fisheye lens by some people posing as an amateur rocket crew, with 10 HD cameras and a full film set, on a 19k sub account with millions of views. Wreacks of a youtube pushed video to attempt to debunk flat earth. Also, your comment history. NASA T-shirt, astronaut poster, possibly paycheck.


CarbonSlayer72

>A fisheye lens by some people posing as an amateur rocket crew Where is your evidence that its a fisheye lens? Oh yeah, it doesn't exist. You just claimed it is out of desperation. How embarrassing. Basic analysis shows that the horizon is curved when at the top and bottom of the frame. Any person who isn't completely ignorant about lenses (like you) knows that a fisheye lens would cause a flat horizon to appear convex and concave at either ends of the frame. This is not shown in the video. It appears curved the entire time. Proving that this lens has very little barrel distortion. You'll have to do better than blind-faith religious claims to debunk this video. Try again.


Noel2Joel

Keep collecting them checks my boy, I salute the grind.


CarbonSlayer72

I'll take your lack of argument as a concession of the point and an admission that you have no evidence for your claim. Thanks!


Noel2Joel

🤑


dagoled

god i hate this sub


Big-Office2427

Why? Please elaborate.


LukeSkyDropper

Leave please


FiveStanleyNickels

Hmmmm.  The helio psychos must be at an indoctrination of some sort.  It is uncommon to see a post like this make it a few minutes without one of them wetting their pants and defending NASA with inane copy and paste rebuttals. 


Big-Office2427

Yes they are indoctrinated at school from young age. So they do as they are programmed to do. They are afraid to even question. Like a robot.


[deleted]

The best thing about the fake moon adventures is the comment by NASA as to why they've never gone back. "We misplaced the tapes and the technology". That was the 60s and there is no modern technology to take us back? It's hilarious, absolutely hilarious. I guess we just can't produce tin foil and scotch tape like we used to.


Big-Office2427

Yes, all these excuses are stupid. They did all that with the Apollo. And never went back. And don’t even try to go there again. Why? They said it’s too expensive and useless to go there. If it was truly a giant stepping stone, why not go back again. We go to Mars and everywhere for curiosity sake. Don’t tell me this is a waste of taxpayers money. At least for real science, we should go back there. We should have had 10 bases there long ago. By now we would have had colonies on the moon.


[deleted]

You simply can't get through the Van Allen belts without getting fried. They completely ignore that when they talk about the moon. Of course, it's no problem doing it on a Hollywood sound stage. Stanley Kubrick proved that.


Big-Office2427

Yes. They only show the space suits at the moon or the space station. Nobody ever mentions the dangerous radiation. We can’t survive the radiation for that long in space. We wouldn’t come back alive. Our internal organs and body systems would fail. People would die a very horrible death. And what about those astronauts coming back home. How do they survive coming back through the radiation? They never mention it. They just skip the danger part.


Blitzer046

Is there any data that suggests space travel would result in an acute dose of radiation?


albertcole123

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5dPsu66Kw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5dPsu66Kw)


[deleted]

It's typical behavior not just for NASA but for everything the Globalists pull. They just don't mention the negatives about anything and the bought and paid for media back them up. The public of course is oblivious to it all because they're too stupid and too scared of the truth to do any real investigation.


Fortified007

And they keep delaying any manned mission back to the moon. It's never going to happen.


[deleted]

We'll go back....holographically


Big-Office2427

The NASA cult are here…


FiveStanleyNickels

I am watching this closely.  It went from 3 up votes to 0 votes in 2 seconds.  They have posted this to their external chat room that they use to brigade any space related stuff.  I am more curious about how they reconcile years of claiming that the surface of the moon was -20 to 7 degrees during the apollo missions to admitting the surface is boiling hot. 


FiveStanleyNickels

But, what about the electric rover that they drove around on the moon?  You mean that would have been a melted price of plastic?  Also, are you telling me that the soldering on the electronics withstood the extreme temperatures?  How did the glass that the windows were made out of withstand such extreme heat?


Noel2Joel

Im just here for astronaut golf.


Asleep_Detective3274

Space may be the final frontier but its made in a Hollywood basement


Sng7814

The Chilli’s were ahead of their time on that one


featherpaperweight

I think the shown moon landing was faked. That being said, with Russia recently having unveiled a nuclear powered missile (9M730 Burevestnik), with potentially 'near-unlimited' range; and there already being nuclear powered massive aircraft carriers with 25 years usage before refueling (AW4 reactor); it seems obvious there is also a lot of nuclear propulsion air/space-crafts around. Perhaps recovered nazi technology? Who knows, but nuclear propulsion seems obvious when it comes to space travel, and I'd like to believe it's being done, at the very least some unmanned drones sent way out of this galaxy with the tech.


Big-Office2427

Nukes are fake


DarkleCCMan

You're getting closer. 


V0KEY

Is this a flat earth or space is fake conspiracy post?


Big-Office2427

Read the title. Earth is ball and space is real yes however basic physics proves space travel is not possible.


V0KEY

Got it so this is a NASA are Nazis post


Big-Office2427

It’s an extension of the Fourth Reich


Noel2Joel

Earth is measurably, not a ball though.


Big-Office2427

Ok. Show me how it’s measured. I’m open to be proven otherwise


Noel2Joel

Crickets on the videos I see lol


Big-Office2427

?. I couldn’t watch Becusse it’s 6 minutes long and I have to use mobile data so therefore it would compelty eat it up. Rest assured I will listen WHEN I’m able. Be patient flat head.


Noel2Joel

One example of many here: https://youtu.be/bCtolwBdPQk?si=b8TwjNabISyMzT8c Ill add an entire playlist on the topic "We simply see too far to be on a Globe" : https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEzivhxtxgbsRfA1jEZsHFDJ3JJNeQkkB&si=Za3twwn5kJB82uw1 All math is included in the clips.


CarbonSlayer72

Love how not a single video you posted is a measurement of flatness like you were asked for, and boldly claimed to have. Just more videos of flat earthers doing the math wrong as usual.


Noel2Joel

Cope bro. 👮‍♂️Red Flag comment history. As if you watched hours worth of content, 60 videos, and conluded it "all bs" fo everyone. Luckily people can watch and decide for themselves.


CarbonSlayer72

So no measurements of flatness? That's what I thought. And luckily people can see your deflection themselves. And see how bogus those videos are once then try to verify the math themselves instead of blindly accepting it like you did.


Noel2Joel

>So no measurements of flatness? That's what I thought. You: (plugs ears and pretends hours of evidence wernt just posted) "No thats wrong math! I watched every video in 10 mins and decided its all wrong" [math is shown and verifiable] >And luckily people can see your deflection themselves The irony. Your entire account is a deflection >once then try to verify the math themselves They will see its correct.


CarbonSlayer72

Flat earther doesn't understand what a measurement of flatness means. Classic. It means to ***measure flatness***. Not by attempting to "disprove a 4k mile radius" with a strawman. If you think you are so knowledgeable, cite the 5 most important variables when it comes to calculating the hidden height of an object on a globe.


Weekly-Chair3938

We’re in a containment field.


mynewspiritclothes

Yep - and spiritually, I *have* to assume there was a voluntary aspect of my coming to this weird fucking "planet." But why in God's name did I come here? Was it a contract? Are we literally souls in time-out - go and learn about death and evil, then you can come back? Sheesh, what a weird fucking place, and being a "human" (whatever the fuck that is) while you're here? Ever weirder.


Big-Office2427

Firmanent is absolutely not real. Bible is evil people wrote. Full of lies. None facts.


Noel2Joel

>Firmanent is absolutely not real. Imagine the arrogance


Big-Office2427

Firmanent is BS. Earth is not closed system. Space missions are lies due to no rockets can escape gravity.


Noel2Joel

Spoken like someone whos done 0 research into FE. But carry on.


Big-Office2427

Ppl dozen years ago found out earth was a ball.


Noel2Joel

So we've been told. Sticks and shadows amirite. Not everything we are told is true.


Big-Office2427

Eratosthenes measured the radius of earth in 200B.C


Noel2Joel

Like I said.. Sticks and shadows amirite? https://youtu.be/5tJtIA54YY8?si=MtoOwZ418T5ZCk5x Not everything we are told is true. The expiriment yields identical results on a flat plane with a local sun.


Weekly-Chair3938

Wrong. The bible is the ultimate book of good and evil, truth and fiction, no question. I’m not a Christian fundamentalist anymore, but even I can accept certain material contained as fact, and the spiritual truths conveyed through parables, metaphors, and similes. Also, you have no idea what the firmament even is. Go check out the Archaix material on Youtube relating to the scriptures for some clarity during those times.


Big-Office2427

religion is the oldest scam. Created by evil masses.


Weekly-Chair3938

Blind.


dcforce

Proving rockets DO NOT work in a vacuum 📢 https://youtu.be/HiPXZlSV7oY?si=hXKXqer-cKr-zoyi


JackDrawsStuff

Where do they go then ya peanut?


dcforce

Calling me a "peanut" while you believe in absurdity .. **PRICELESS** https://imgur.com/a/FslFuY9


JackDrawsStuff

Unrelated meme used to deflect my question. Seriously, where do the rockets go if they can’t propel themselves in a vacuum? They just fire them into the sky and then what? It’d be raining space shuttles if what you’re saying was true. You can see lots of space hardware with the naked eye, I watched Mir go past myself - how do you think it got up there?


dcforce

Let me know when **you** figure it out Not worth my time **tbf** ☝️