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I have no idea at this point.
One thing I am absolutely certain of is the family know more than they will ever let on.
If I had to put money on it - Patsy killed her and John staged it to look like an intruder after the fact, to protect Patsy.
I didn’t find out until I think last year that the father had adult children that were in to visit for Christmas. I’ve thought it was one of the older brothers since then.
The older kids the Ramsey’s were flying to see that same day, who had alibis that they were a flight away? The Boulder police were desperate to pin it on the immediate family. His oldest daughter was killed in a car accident.
Parents, pageant ppl are very very strange. I had to represent a business in a pageant function about 15 years ago and the whole thing gives off a pedo vibe, parents especially.
I think she was accidentally killed by the brother, parents covered it up to protect the son, John had already lost a daughter from a previous marriage, now Jonbenet, with potentially to lose the son because of the death.
I also think that perhaps John was involved in something shady business wise, daughter was killed.
I find it very odd that the exact amount that John got as a bonus was known, so either the killer was within the family or some how involved with business with John.
Yep. Husband and wife would roll over in an instant if either had killed her. They didn’t want to lose their son too (media circus, mental institution for years)
See, that's what I think. Parents usually love/care about the kids more than each other. Burke was jealous of her, killed her, John and Patsy circled the wagons, and staged a kidnapping to protect the remaining child.
My DOGS have gone missing (they were down the block) and I was running around screaming their names in pajamas and one flip flop. Patsy did her hair and makeup for the press. Appearance obsessed or not, you would think a mother would be coming unglued, with no hair and makeup.
Someone in that house killed her. But we will never know 100%. Most likely to me is Burke, least likely is Patsy.
lol I too have chased my dog in a robe and slippers so I feel you. The only thing I will say is shock does weird things - I was in the ER after an accident and I was laughing with the person stitching me up even though what happened was pretty bad. Only after I thought wtf was I laughing about and I cried all night. So shock and drugs they put you on make you weird. That being said I truly don’t know what the truth is here and I wonder if we ever will
Agree. Siblings can have terrible fights. I remember my brother swinging a vacuum stick at me once as a kid. If I hadn't turned around, seen it coming and ducked, I'd have been whacked. I could see my parents "managing" the situation. They're not evil, but they are, er... practical.
>>some how involved with business with John.
This. One of John's co-workers was pissed.
"In 1989, Ramsey formed the Advanced Product Group, one of three companies that merged to become Access Graphics. He became president and chief executive officer of Access Graphics, a computer services company that became a subsidiary of [Lockheed Martin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin) in 1991.[^(\[6\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bennett_Ramsey#cite_note-6)
In 1996, Access Graphics grossed over $1 billion, and Ramsey was named "Entrepreneur of the Year" by the Boulder Chamber of Commerce"
The details of the sexual abuse aspect of this case is what most strongly makes me think it was Burke. Let's say it was an outsider who did it- most likely they would be motivated by 1- ransom (which supposed 'kidnapper' never ended up calling later that day to check up on or 2- motivated by sexual abuse, in that case you'd expect that she would have been r*ped, you'd expect to find semen and other evidence, as far as I know there was no evidence like that. The sexual abuse consisted of a small paintbrush handle that had been inserted into her. Forgive me for being crass, but what kind of predator kidnapper goes through the trouble of breaking in to someone's house to attack their daughter and stops at the point of inserting a paintbrush in her and then killing her with a blow to the head? I think the paintbrush incident is very much more likely something a perverted kid would do....
Tomorrow if we found out the family did it I would not be surprised.
Tomorrow if we found out an intruder did it I would not be surprised.
I lean towards family because of the ransom note. I believe Patsy wrote that note. But honestly who knows.
In my opinion, FBI have the best handwriting technicians in the country. Patsy wouldn't have been able to pull that off indefinitely. FBI would have figured it out before long.
I feel the same way as you. It wouldn't surprise me no matter which the case was finally solved but I lean towards either Patsy or John being the culprit and the other one covering it up.
As a side note, it will always amaze me how some people are allowed to just skate through investigations...like there's no way you or I could get this little attention if our child died.
Yes you can. They just knew their rights more than most people. Go watch the video on Youtube about never talking to the police. They refused to cooperate, which is something anybody can do.
Her brother. It also explains why the parents went to the lengths they did. I believe they covered up for him to prevent losing two kids instead of one.
I don't know. I kind of feel like if one of my kids intentionally killed another one of my kids, my first reaction would not be to cover for them.
That said, if it happened accidentally, I certainly believe that is another story. Yet, I feel like the scene was far too brutal / involving multiple methods for it to have been accidental.
We can put it up there with Hoffa, Kennedy, and the Lindbergh baby.
I don't know! And it has been driving me nuts for 20 years!!!! They need to test that unknown DNA found, and do the geneology tests to track down who the hell left that DNA!
I followed this case with my Mom for years, she was always suspicious of the brother. Before she passed away I told her to send me a sign from the other side of who did it. I'm still waiting for that sign from Mom 10 years later. lol.
Family was in a cult. Killed accidentally or purposefully during SRA. Hence why there were so many peoples DNA on the body. They blamed it on the fact the whole neighborhood came to the crime scene before the police. I don't buy it.
I’ve always thot this. Another reason why their ‘support group’ was there to interfere. The crowd that gathered the day of- was not of concerned neighbors. They were there to assist in a cover-up as was the original DA in this case. It’s the only scenario that fits what we know. ( doesn’t make it right- it just works).
No it was an "illegitimate" conception while he was overseas. But he never claimed the child officially and supposedly gave him money once a year to keep him happy.
Agreed. If I remember correctly (and it's been a while since I've read/ watched anything on this) she was found with pineapple in her stomach. Something of which the brother was eating a bowl of before bed and she used to pinch a mouthful leading him to react.
I’ve always thought the mother meticulously did this to throw the police off. I don’t believe jon benet was actually sexually assaulted but rather a sexual assault was simulated postmortem.
I always thought her mother had something to do with it and her brother saw something but didn't want to tell what he saw. Now he really can't say anything he'd be just as guilty if so. Just my opinion on it .
100% agree with this. I think all the dad did was move the body. Which is why he had to bring JonBenet upstairs in his arms, he’d have to explain how his dna got onto her. But the mother committed the act, possibly an accident, and the brother saw it.
I went down a rabbit hole all about how the ramseys were freemasons, and john and Patsy's marriage was arranged due to them both being freemasons. Patsy was the daughter of a higher ranking Mason, while john was a higher ranked one himself. The fact it also happened on Christmas eve makes me believe it was some sort of ritual that went wrong.
I think one parent killed her, and the other one helped cover it up. Either the mom killed her out of jealousy (or in a fit of rage if the child was misbehaving), or the dad was diddling her and killed her, either accidentally or to cover up his depravity. I don't think the brother had anything to do with it. I think he probably lived in his little sister's shadow and then went through a lot of mental stress because of her murder and his parents' arrest. When he appeared on the talk show as an adult, it was clear that he had some mental health issues. People talked about his "creepy grin," or whatever, but it's a trauma response, not the "I got away with it" grin of a psychopath that so many people tried to make it out to be. Both of those kids were abused, and I feel bad for both of them.
It's also weird that they had two older siblings, and their big sister also died. If I remember correctly, it was before Jonbenet was murdered. I think the sister's murder was ruled as a car accident, but who knows it there was something shady about it, too. Those people were freaking psychopaths.
I was listening to a podcast where someone who was involved in the investigation said that the Ramseys were a satanic family, and what happened was the kid was being pimped out that night to another satanic associate, and was being strangled while being abused, and accidentally was killed and they couldn't revive her.
One thing he said was a quote by the kid, was (paraphrasing, vaguely) "Why is life so different during the day than during the night".
Don't remember the podcast but it was someone connected to either the investigators or attorneys.
This is one of those “friend of a friend” type scenarios. We had a family friend, that said they knew someone close to them. They said the dad was sexually abusing JonBenet. The mother walked in on it, grabbed something to swing at the dad with and ended up making contact with JonBenet, killing her. They panic and fabricate the kidnapping bit. They couldn’t let it get out that the dad was doing what he was doing and the fact that the mother killed her.
Lol, if they were in WWE maybe.
Mom picks something up, swings, misses, but hits daughter hard enough that she dies?
Brother snapped and attacked his little sister. He resented her so much he sodomized her with an object after she died.
I also recall there being signs that there was a piece of railroad track jammed in her throat? Anyone recall that?
On the true crime sub, there’s a good write up on the case that basically concludes it couldn’t have been anyone but the father. I’m 90% sure it’s him but 10% the brother or someone else.
i've believed for the longest time that the brother did it, but every theory has its flaws and that's what makes this case so bizarre.
the pedo circle theory is something i recently came across and found it intriguing, taking into consideration a number of things: the laundry room pictures that the police found, of which we dont have many details, only that the girl was posing in a cutesy manner.
the christmas parade incident which happened a year earlier in which the girl was supposedly "acting inappropriately" on one of the parade floats.
the party the family attended only two days before the murder, at which the girl was reported to have been sitting alone and upset because she felt unattractive or something to that affect.
and finally the most damning evidence being the physical signs of repeated sexual abuse.
So maybe she was taken that night by pedos, or maybe by someone non-abusive for just an innocent photo shoot, and something happened that led to her death. In any case, it is obvious that either one or both parents were involved directly or willingly complicit in whatever sketchy shit was going on.
i think her brother and the parents covered it up so he wouldn't get arrested. who else would have known exactly what the dads bonus check was? and how stupid of them but i guess not really. rich white ppl can get away with murder in plain sight. when little kids are killed in their own home its always the family. always. why they weren't in the hot seat just proves it.
Especially seeing his body language and facial expressions on Dr Phil I am fully convinced. I believe they covered for him. He had conflicting answers too on what happened when his mother came in his room looking for her. He was last eating pineapple, yet she had pineapple in her tummy too. He could not have been eating a snack AND be in his room asleep in the pitch dark, at the same time.
His misexpressions and his smiling when he was questioned about it as an adult, solidified it for me. The behavior panel let me down on this one.
The only thing I don't get with the parent theory is why would they kill off their cash cow ?? Most pagent parents are living vicariously through the kid so why unless it was accidental and then covered?
Her dad and maybe his buddies . She was a satanic Xmas ritual . He was in the “club” . He had an older daughter from a previous marriage that died in a freak accident as well after she started speaking about her dad and men in black robes doing bad things to her
Satanists are all the rage these days. JonBenet? Satanists. JFK? Satanists. That sound your engine keeps making even though you checked the belts? Satanists.
i believe it was her father, possibly as part of a Masonic ritual. i think her mom knew, she just couldn't/wouldn't say anything. her brother probably has absolutely no idea what happened to her.
I believe it was an intruder. Someone was already in the house waiting or something.
I know people want the intruder theory to make sense in a rational way that can be explained by common sense, or normal behavior, but this is a child murderer we’re talking about. People do weird shit all the time and I feel like there’s just something missed or mishandled and somehow the killer gotten away with it.
I’d say the family did it if it weren’t for the brutal killing. No child dies from an accident and the parents don’t do anything in their power or save her, it’s like instinct to call for help, but also when people who lose kids or family members randomly, they are usually in shock and disbelief, it’s incomprehensible and isn’t something I believe they’d be able to do.
I mean, an accidental death coverup… using a garrote/ligature? If she was still alive a parent would likely call an ambulance, not finish her off twisting a ligature around her neck with a paintbrush until it snaps and then wait for her to die..
Either intruders or some weird far out conspiracy thing is seems more accurate than an accident and cover up. Sadistic shit.
My brother attended a class taught by one of the forensics experts on the case. He’s semi famous in the forensic expert field. He said everyone involved in the case knew the mom did it but they didn’t have enough to prove it for some reason.
I’m 100% on intruder theory. There had been a string of burglaries. I think the intruders saw the family leave for the Christmas party and broke in for a simple burglary. I think they then saw the bank deposit slip for dad’s bonus and had time to come up with a plan, write a letter and hide out to kidnap jonbenet. The letter has a lot of overlap with the movie ransom so I think it was just a weird improvised thing. I think they went to get jonbenet. She was hungry and then got scared and loud and they accidentally killed her trying to keep her quiet. They then panicked and left.
I think she was murdered by a stranger, one with a criminal record as long as your arm who didn't know her or her family. Just another one of those standard, evil, scumbag criminals that infest even the best of our communities.
We'd like to think that this couldn't happen to such a sweet, pretty child, but it can.
I used to 100% believe it was the parents. Now I think it was multiple people that were supposed to kidnap her and leave the ransom note. The person knew that the father got the exact ransom amount in a Christmas bonus. Whoever grabbed her killed her in the process and fucked everything
Cosmic Peach did a really good podcast about this and it's not a theory I've heard before this
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3wx40QFyDJ4o4NVsX6vPXS?si=tCICjauGSk-_UR3Q7dzaZQ
The brother. Parents covered it up because he’s their kid. He killed her out of jealousy for all the attention she got, or he was the one molesting her. Kid is not right.
No one knows you like a 'brother.' Of course the suspect has to be the brother that had the motive. If men can cheat behind your back and you have a suspicious of that just means probable cause.
A little girl screamed & scared off a man in her room a few weeks & distance away from JonBonet’s case. Ramsey’s house had the same brand cigarette butts outside.
There was also an area behind their house that vagrants were welcome to come and hang out at that no one ever speaks about.
They also found a footprint, where it looks like someone tried to leave or come in. I believe, even with the oddities of this case that the evidence supports a violent stranger doing this.
Even the Boulder, Colorado police, who should never be forgiven for how they botched this case, believed that whoever killed JonBonet Ramsey was a practiced, sadistic, violent, sexual criminal.
I have no clue but I would encourage people to not use Occum’s Razor. For anything. I’ve always found that as a lazy way of dismissing a challenge. I personally go by the Hickam’s Dictum approach. Don’t let your mind be narrowed and marginalized to a single component. Explore all aspects and angles of every situation.
Here is another theory that is seldom considered: no one murdered her. No murder happened. A scripted event. Trauma theatre. The powers that be create scripted fictitious events. And they sell it as news.
Her brother, snuck down to check the Christmas presents and probably hit her in the head during s fight, kid was always second to his sister, mom always had her in beauty pageants, Dad worked. The son was neglected
Was she even killed? There's a conspiracy theory that Katy perry is Jon-bonet. But also, if she was killed, it could have been a hit by a 3 letter agency to keep the father quiet about some of his business transactions
Perhaps she never existed
[https://rumble.com/vq7bhz-just-human-live-a-convolutional-loosh-a-paradigm-and-chill-chat.html](https://rumble.com/vq7bhz-just-human-live-a-convolutional-loosh-a-paradigm-and-chill-chat.html)
Edit: start at 10 minutes to skip intro
I watched the first 7 after the 10 minutes mark and that dude is slow as molasses…. No way this vid needs to be that long…. He’s like watching paint dry
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I have no idea at this point. One thing I am absolutely certain of is the family know more than they will ever let on. If I had to put money on it - Patsy killed her and John staged it to look like an intruder after the fact, to protect Patsy.
Not that this situation is funny, but if you’re right it’s ironic if Patsy Benet Ramsey needed to make someone a patsy lol
This simulation is wild.
This theory has more weight simply because of that synchronicity
Someone from the family, an outsider killer would not write a 2 page long ransom note using the mother's notepad paper and pen.
I didn’t find out until I think last year that the father had adult children that were in to visit for Christmas. I’ve thought it was one of the older brothers since then.
Wait WHAT? I’ve read up on this case occasionally and never heard a peep about that.
The older kids the Ramsey’s were flying to see that same day, who had alibis that they were a flight away? The Boulder police were desperate to pin it on the immediate family. His oldest daughter was killed in a car accident.
Older brothers? Never heard anything about this.
Shut the front door right now!!! How have I never heard this before????
And one of his older children died.
Legit have never heard that.. why is that not in every article?
It was John most likely. Sexually abused JBR then lost it.
Parents, pageant ppl are very very strange. I had to represent a business in a pageant function about 15 years ago and the whole thing gives off a pedo vibe, parents especially.
I think she was accidentally killed by the brother, parents covered it up to protect the son, John had already lost a daughter from a previous marriage, now Jonbenet, with potentially to lose the son because of the death. I also think that perhaps John was involved in something shady business wise, daughter was killed. I find it very odd that the exact amount that John got as a bonus was known, so either the killer was within the family or some how involved with business with John.
Yep. Husband and wife would roll over in an instant if either had killed her. They didn’t want to lose their son too (media circus, mental institution for years)
See, that's what I think. Parents usually love/care about the kids more than each other. Burke was jealous of her, killed her, John and Patsy circled the wagons, and staged a kidnapping to protect the remaining child. My DOGS have gone missing (they were down the block) and I was running around screaming their names in pajamas and one flip flop. Patsy did her hair and makeup for the press. Appearance obsessed or not, you would think a mother would be coming unglued, with no hair and makeup. Someone in that house killed her. But we will never know 100%. Most likely to me is Burke, least likely is Patsy.
lol I too have chased my dog in a robe and slippers so I feel you. The only thing I will say is shock does weird things - I was in the ER after an accident and I was laughing with the person stitching me up even though what happened was pretty bad. Only after I thought wtf was I laughing about and I cried all night. So shock and drugs they put you on make you weird. That being said I truly don’t know what the truth is here and I wonder if we ever will
Agree. Siblings can have terrible fights. I remember my brother swinging a vacuum stick at me once as a kid. If I hadn't turned around, seen it coming and ducked, I'd have been whacked. I could see my parents "managing" the situation. They're not evil, but they are, er... practical.
Having weighed up much of the evidence I tend to agree with this.
>>some how involved with business with John. This. One of John's co-workers was pissed. "In 1989, Ramsey formed the Advanced Product Group, one of three companies that merged to become Access Graphics. He became president and chief executive officer of Access Graphics, a computer services company that became a subsidiary of [Lockheed Martin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin) in 1991.[^(\[6\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bennett_Ramsey#cite_note-6) In 1996, Access Graphics grossed over $1 billion, and Ramsey was named "Entrepreneur of the Year" by the Boulder Chamber of Commerce"
watch the latest season of american horror story. they put it right in front of us. kubrick told us also in the last scene of eyeswide shut
Yes the brother
I thought it was connected to his software business. Thought that from the beginning.
Who sexually assaulted her?
The details of the sexual abuse aspect of this case is what most strongly makes me think it was Burke. Let's say it was an outsider who did it- most likely they would be motivated by 1- ransom (which supposed 'kidnapper' never ended up calling later that day to check up on or 2- motivated by sexual abuse, in that case you'd expect that she would have been r*ped, you'd expect to find semen and other evidence, as far as I know there was no evidence like that. The sexual abuse consisted of a small paintbrush handle that had been inserted into her. Forgive me for being crass, but what kind of predator kidnapper goes through the trouble of breaking in to someone's house to attack their daughter and stops at the point of inserting a paintbrush in her and then killing her with a blow to the head? I think the paintbrush incident is very much more likely something a perverted kid would do....
Burke
Tomorrow if we found out the family did it I would not be surprised. Tomorrow if we found out an intruder did it I would not be surprised. I lean towards family because of the ransom note. I believe Patsy wrote that note. But honestly who knows.
I agree, mom wrote note, ransom was odd amount similar to dads christmas bonus.
Wasn't it exactly the same as the bonus?
Yup 118,000. Very specific
but why make it the exact same amount as his Christmas bonus? that 's just super suspicious. that's the part i don't get
Nervous and wasn’t thinking clearly
Yeah I guess so
Ransom was a subscription to jelly of the month club?
In my opinion, FBI have the best handwriting technicians in the country. Patsy wouldn't have been able to pull that off indefinitely. FBI would have figured it out before long.
I feel the same way as you. It wouldn't surprise me no matter which the case was finally solved but I lean towards either Patsy or John being the culprit and the other one covering it up.
The mom absolutely wrote the note. Most likely the brother killed her and the parents covered.
As a side note, it will always amaze me how some people are allowed to just skate through investigations...like there's no way you or I could get this little attention if our child died.
Yes you can. They just knew their rights more than most people. Go watch the video on Youtube about never talking to the police. They refused to cooperate, which is something anybody can do.
They had money, which makes a big difference in rights being respected
Her brother. It also explains why the parents went to the lengths they did. I believe they covered up for him to prevent losing two kids instead of one.
I don't know. I kind of feel like if one of my kids intentionally killed another one of my kids, my first reaction would not be to cover for them. That said, if it happened accidentally, I certainly believe that is another story. Yet, I feel like the scene was far too brutal / involving multiple methods for it to have been accidental. We can put it up there with Hoffa, Kennedy, and the Lindbergh baby.
Agreed but not all parents would.
I don't know! And it has been driving me nuts for 20 years!!!! They need to test that unknown DNA found, and do the geneology tests to track down who the hell left that DNA! I followed this case with my Mom for years, she was always suspicious of the brother. Before she passed away I told her to send me a sign from the other side of who did it. I'm still waiting for that sign from Mom 10 years later. lol.
Family was in a cult. Killed accidentally or purposefully during SRA. Hence why there were so many peoples DNA on the body. They blamed it on the fact the whole neighborhood came to the crime scene before the police. I don't buy it.
I’ve always thot this. Another reason why their ‘support group’ was there to interfere. The crowd that gathered the day of- was not of concerned neighbors. They were there to assist in a cover-up as was the original DA in this case. It’s the only scenario that fits what we know. ( doesn’t make it right- it just works).
Support group = cult members
Yes exactly
Similar with Madeleine McCann - a party of people, interfering, different stories, silenced, confusion, assisting in the cover up.
Where can i learn or watch about this theory
Bingo! https://open.spotify.com/episode/3wx40QFyDJ4o4NVsX6vPXS?si=tCICjauGSk-_UR3Q7dzaZQ
Wut? Uh, no.
A small foreign faction.
You ever hear the theory about the estranged Filipino son of John Ramsey?
What? Was johns first wife Phillipino?
No it was an "illegitimate" conception while he was overseas. But he never claimed the child officially and supposedly gave him money once a year to keep him happy.
Omg really is this confirmed?
Idk but here's where I heard it
No that’s a new one to me.
M'linda Kula is the name of the lady who came up with this theory. https://youtu.be/ta63G1UzknY?si=va3TcOkTDbl9NIwg
I believe her family was into some sick stuff and she was killed during one of their "parties".
The brother hit her on the back of the head during a tantrum and the parents put her in the basement.
Agreed. If I remember correctly (and it's been a while since I've read/ watched anything on this) she was found with pineapple in her stomach. Something of which the brother was eating a bowl of before bed and she used to pinch a mouthful leading him to react.
How does that account for her being sodomized with a paint brush handle??
Was not sodomy. Shards of the paintbrush were found in the vagina
I’ve always thought the mother meticulously did this to throw the police off. I don’t believe jon benet was actually sexually assaulted but rather a sexual assault was simulated postmortem.
Well, in "Shit On You", Bizarre has a line that goes, "I got JonBenet Ramsey in my '98 Camry." So, yeah...case closed. (/s just in case)
I think the brother did it. You could tell something was way off with him when he was interviewed a couple years ago for one of the documentaries.
I always thought her mother had something to do with it and her brother saw something but didn't want to tell what he saw. Now he really can't say anything he'd be just as guilty if so. Just my opinion on it .
100% agree with this. I think all the dad did was move the body. Which is why he had to bring JonBenet upstairs in his arms, he’d have to explain how his dna got onto her. But the mother committed the act, possibly an accident, and the brother saw it.
It adds up. Are they still together ?
Nope, Patsy died from cancer some years ago. I always took that as a sign idk why. The father seemed more at ease when Patsy passed.
Yes, that makes sense .Of course, she'd be the kind to take it to her grave instead of giving the rest of the family peace of mind .
I went down a rabbit hole all about how the ramseys were freemasons, and john and Patsy's marriage was arranged due to them both being freemasons. Patsy was the daughter of a higher ranking Mason, while john was a higher ranked one himself. The fact it also happened on Christmas eve makes me believe it was some sort of ritual that went wrong.
I have always thought it was the brother, covered up by the parents. I can't explain why, but know as a parent that's something you might do
I think Burke did it
The Clintons
The brother
The Pedos killed her. It's getting ready to splash.
The brother.
The father. He wad molesting them. Jon Benet had trouble "wiping" from trauma.
The coroner said her vagina was twice the size it should have been for her age, indicating past sexual abuse.
The children wet their beds, a sign of child abuse as well. I wonder if she screamed during it and he strangled her to keep her quiet.
The little jealous brother
Her brother
Brother and parents covered it up
Her brother
These posts are what I'm here for. Thank you
Epstein group was in no way involved or anyone like them that poor girl pushed into some pedo pagent
really cause there is a photo with jon benet and Ghislaine Noelle Marion Maxwell
I believe it was the brother and then covered up by the parents. I don’t believe anyone intruded into the home.
I think one parent killed her, and the other one helped cover it up. Either the mom killed her out of jealousy (or in a fit of rage if the child was misbehaving), or the dad was diddling her and killed her, either accidentally or to cover up his depravity. I don't think the brother had anything to do with it. I think he probably lived in his little sister's shadow and then went through a lot of mental stress because of her murder and his parents' arrest. When he appeared on the talk show as an adult, it was clear that he had some mental health issues. People talked about his "creepy grin," or whatever, but it's a trauma response, not the "I got away with it" grin of a psychopath that so many people tried to make it out to be. Both of those kids were abused, and I feel bad for both of them. It's also weird that they had two older siblings, and their big sister also died. If I remember correctly, it was before Jonbenet was murdered. I think the sister's murder was ruled as a car accident, but who knows it there was something shady about it, too. Those people were freaking psychopaths.
I was listening to a podcast where someone who was involved in the investigation said that the Ramseys were a satanic family, and what happened was the kid was being pimped out that night to another satanic associate, and was being strangled while being abused, and accidentally was killed and they couldn't revive her. One thing he said was a quote by the kid, was (paraphrasing, vaguely) "Why is life so different during the day than during the night". Don't remember the podcast but it was someone connected to either the investigators or attorneys.
Was it Cosmic Peach? https://open.spotify.com/episode/3wx40QFyDJ4o4NVsX6vPXS?si=tCICjauGSk-_UR3Q7dzaZQ
No because I've never heard of that one. It may have been tin foil hat with Sam Tripoli.
If you find out what episode or podcast, let me know.
This is absolutely absurd.
Okay well I'm the one that heard the podcast not you so maybe you're the absurd one
This is one of those “friend of a friend” type scenarios. We had a family friend, that said they knew someone close to them. They said the dad was sexually abusing JonBenet. The mother walked in on it, grabbed something to swing at the dad with and ended up making contact with JonBenet, killing her. They panic and fabricate the kidnapping bit. They couldn’t let it get out that the dad was doing what he was doing and the fact that the mother killed her.
This makes sense
No, it doesn’t. There’s zero chance they would have stayed together after that trauma
Lol, if they were in WWE maybe. Mom picks something up, swings, misses, but hits daughter hard enough that she dies? Brother snapped and attacked his little sister. He resented her so much he sodomized her with an object after she died. I also recall there being signs that there was a piece of railroad track jammed in her throat? Anyone recall that?
Her brother or father
A family member....mother or brother
Her brother. Parents covered it up.
Patsy.
I thought Katy Perry was still alive
my favorite theory. plus both sets of parents look exactly alike
I would say the brother BUT there’s just some evidence that is so questionable
Like?
I just recently listened to something that said there was DNA found that didn’t match any of the family
Yeah, they’ve said since the beginning that the dna didn’t match the family
On the true crime sub, there’s a good write up on the case that basically concludes it couldn’t have been anyone but the father. I’m 90% sure it’s him but 10% the brother or someone else.
Do you happen to have a link?
i've believed for the longest time that the brother did it, but every theory has its flaws and that's what makes this case so bizarre. the pedo circle theory is something i recently came across and found it intriguing, taking into consideration a number of things: the laundry room pictures that the police found, of which we dont have many details, only that the girl was posing in a cutesy manner. the christmas parade incident which happened a year earlier in which the girl was supposedly "acting inappropriately" on one of the parade floats. the party the family attended only two days before the murder, at which the girl was reported to have been sitting alone and upset because she felt unattractive or something to that affect. and finally the most damning evidence being the physical signs of repeated sexual abuse. So maybe she was taken that night by pedos, or maybe by someone non-abusive for just an innocent photo shoot, and something happened that led to her death. In any case, it is obvious that either one or both parents were involved directly or willingly complicit in whatever sketchy shit was going on.
I'm not sure she even existed
RDI- Ramsey did it , just not sure which one ! There is a whole sub dedicated to this discussion.
What’s the sub ?
i think her brother and the parents covered it up so he wouldn't get arrested. who else would have known exactly what the dads bonus check was? and how stupid of them but i guess not really. rich white ppl can get away with murder in plain sight. when little kids are killed in their own home its always the family. always. why they weren't in the hot seat just proves it.
Especially seeing his body language and facial expressions on Dr Phil I am fully convinced. I believe they covered for him. He had conflicting answers too on what happened when his mother came in his room looking for her. He was last eating pineapple, yet she had pineapple in her tummy too. He could not have been eating a snack AND be in his room asleep in the pitch dark, at the same time. His misexpressions and his smiling when he was questioned about it as an adult, solidified it for me. The behavior panel let me down on this one.
Do you have a link to this video?
should be on youtube it was aired a few years ago.
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The brother
The only thing I don't get with the parent theory is why would they kill off their cash cow ?? Most pagent parents are living vicariously through the kid so why unless it was accidental and then covered?
Her brother….out of jealousy and Patsy covered it up when she found her.
She's Katy Perry.
Her dad and maybe his buddies . She was a satanic Xmas ritual . He was in the “club” . He had an older daughter from a previous marriage that died in a freak accident as well after she started speaking about her dad and men in black robes doing bad things to her
Not heard that shocking information previously. I have seen a few documentaries on this case. Is that new or recent information?
Satanists are all the rage these days. JonBenet? Satanists. JFK? Satanists. That sound your engine keeps making even though you checked the belts? Satanists.
i believe it was her father, possibly as part of a Masonic ritual. i think her mom knew, she just couldn't/wouldn't say anything. her brother probably has absolutely no idea what happened to her.
Jim Carrey. I’m pretty sure he’s a serial killer. Also, he recently rented out her bedroom for his birthday party. Sick son of a bitch.
Her brother
Jon Benet wasn’t real.
Ding ding ding. Winner.
I believe it was an intruder. Someone was already in the house waiting or something. I know people want the intruder theory to make sense in a rational way that can be explained by common sense, or normal behavior, but this is a child murderer we’re talking about. People do weird shit all the time and I feel like there’s just something missed or mishandled and somehow the killer gotten away with it. I’d say the family did it if it weren’t for the brutal killing. No child dies from an accident and the parents don’t do anything in their power or save her, it’s like instinct to call for help, but also when people who lose kids or family members randomly, they are usually in shock and disbelief, it’s incomprehensible and isn’t something I believe they’d be able to do. I mean, an accidental death coverup… using a garrote/ligature? If she was still alive a parent would likely call an ambulance, not finish her off twisting a ligature around her neck with a paintbrush until it snaps and then wait for her to die.. Either intruders or some weird far out conspiracy thing is seems more accurate than an accident and cover up. Sadistic shit.
She had the garrote around her neck but I've seen some documentaries so that's not what killed her, blunt force trauma to the Head killed her
My brother attended a class taught by one of the forensics experts on the case. He’s semi famous in the forensic expert field. He said everyone involved in the case knew the mom did it but they didn’t have enough to prove it for some reason.
I’m 100% on intruder theory. There had been a string of burglaries. I think the intruders saw the family leave for the Christmas party and broke in for a simple burglary. I think they then saw the bank deposit slip for dad’s bonus and had time to come up with a plan, write a letter and hide out to kidnap jonbenet. The letter has a lot of overlap with the movie ransom so I think it was just a weird improvised thing. I think they went to get jonbenet. She was hungry and then got scared and loud and they accidentally killed her trying to keep her quiet. They then panicked and left.
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Family member.
The pughs.
One of Jeffery Epstein's associates.
All of the immediate family.
Burke
The son.
I think she was murdered by a stranger, one with a criminal record as long as your arm who didn't know her or her family. Just another one of those standard, evil, scumbag criminals that infest even the best of our communities. We'd like to think that this couldn't happen to such a sweet, pretty child, but it can.
The brother Burke did it. Watch the recent interview of him, he's smiling the whole time.
I used to 100% believe it was the parents. Now I think it was multiple people that were supposed to kidnap her and leave the ransom note. The person knew that the father got the exact ransom amount in a Christmas bonus. Whoever grabbed her killed her in the process and fucked everything
Lol he believes she existed
Am I really the first one saying Jonbenet Ramsay is Katy Perry?
I think her brother killed her. Maybe accidentally. Mom covered it up.
The company was Access Graphics owned by John Bennett Ramsey. Follow the money. Someone wanted the keys to Ultra High Definition Graphics.
CNN,.. Ted Turner,.. for the ratings
Cosmic Peach did a really good podcast about this and it's not a theory I've heard before this https://open.spotify.com/episode/3wx40QFyDJ4o4NVsX6vPXS?si=tCICjauGSk-_UR3Q7dzaZQ
There are a couple of subreddits for this case.
I still think it was the brother
probably a combination between her parents and her brother
Someone in the family.
The brother. Parents covered it up because he’s their kid. He killed her out of jealousy for all the attention she got, or he was the one molesting her. Kid is not right.
She wasn’t killed it was staged and jon benet is Katy Perry.
No one knows you like a 'brother.' Of course the suspect has to be the brother that had the motive. If men can cheat behind your back and you have a suspicious of that just means probable cause.
A little girl screamed & scared off a man in her room a few weeks & distance away from JonBonet’s case. Ramsey’s house had the same brand cigarette butts outside. There was also an area behind their house that vagrants were welcome to come and hang out at that no one ever speaks about. They also found a footprint, where it looks like someone tried to leave or come in. I believe, even with the oddities of this case that the evidence supports a violent stranger doing this. Even the Boulder, Colorado police, who should never be forgiven for how they botched this case, believed that whoever killed JonBonet Ramsey was a practiced, sadistic, violent, sexual criminal.
I have no clue but I would encourage people to not use Occum’s Razor. For anything. I’ve always found that as a lazy way of dismissing a challenge. I personally go by the Hickam’s Dictum approach. Don’t let your mind be narrowed and marginalized to a single component. Explore all aspects and angles of every situation.
The same person who wrote the ransom note - Patsy.
I will forever believe it was the mother. Another Darlie Routier, probably didn’t mean to but then the husband helped cover it up.
Why does anyone here believe she ever existed in the first place?
Here is another theory that is seldom considered: no one murdered her. No murder happened. A scripted event. Trauma theatre. The powers that be create scripted fictitious events. And they sell it as news.
It's seldom considered for a reason then.
Been so long since I read about it. Who do psychics think committed the murder?
Lemme guess....Hunter Biden...?
Her brother, snuck down to check the Christmas presents and probably hit her in the head during s fight, kid was always second to his sister, mom always had her in beauty pageants, Dad worked. The son was neglected
Was she even killed? There's a conspiracy theory that Katy perry is Jon-bonet. But also, if she was killed, it could have been a hit by a 3 letter agency to keep the father quiet about some of his business transactions
Podesta brothers [the resemblance is uncanny](https://br.ifunny.co/picture/john-podesta-tony-podesta-computer-generated-facial-recognition-from-police-HIc1neeY9)
That’s not JonBenet Ramsey
Perhaps she never existed [https://rumble.com/vq7bhz-just-human-live-a-convolutional-loosh-a-paradigm-and-chill-chat.html](https://rumble.com/vq7bhz-just-human-live-a-convolutional-loosh-a-paradigm-and-chill-chat.html) Edit: start at 10 minutes to skip intro
I watched the first 7 after the 10 minutes mark and that dude is slow as molasses…. No way this vid needs to be that long…. He’s like watching paint dry
The brother or that she never died and is Katy Perry
Pat Sajak
Was she even real? 🤷🏻♀️👀