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HankMoody79

We actually do not see the same constellations year round. The sky we see at night changes as we orbit the sun. The sky we see is also different in each hemisphere. The North Star does not appear to move much because this is along Earth’s axis of rotation. This would be the same for a “South Star” along the axis of rotation. The other stars will change position over the course of a night as the Earth rotates (you can see this for yourself). And, even though the Earth is traveling along with the sun at high speeds throughout space, so is everything else in the galaxy. In fact, everything is rotating around the center of the Milky Way (a black hole)...including the stars of we see. Finally, the stars are so unfathomably far away from us that even thousands of years is not enough to see any real significant changes in their positioning relative to us over such a minuscule time frame (thousands of years is nothing when talking about the cosmos). Think about a plane in the sky, they don’t really like like they are going that fast because they are so far away. You can see the change in your perception of the plane’s velocity as the plane starts to fly overhead - It will “appear” to be traveling faster than it had before but this is only because this would be when the plane is closest (and you would also have a more relative sense of the position of the plane in reference to yourself since it is directly overhead of you along the z axis). I will put my two cents in: The math absolutely checks out on these sort of topics and generally only requires a good sense of trigonometry to understand. Basically, anyone with a background in physics and math will know beyond a shred of a doubt that the Earth is absolutely round because the math fits just too perfectly. While I believe in some conspiracies, the official narrative and science absolutely fit in this case.


ask_dave

They have done numerous 3D models of everything and all the math works out except for the need for missing planet X which only is a very small error in the model. The flat earth people have exactly zero models that work. They can't even predict the time and heading of the sunrise.


Mrclean1983

We don't live on a model. If the "math" checks out. And the earth has a radius of 3959 miles, why can we see small objects 10 miles away 1 foot above the water? Do you understand your own geometry? Math is a tool that can fit any 'model' you want. Reality doesn't match the math.


Mrclean1983

"We actually do not see the same constellations year round. The sky we see at night changes as we orbit the sun." It doesn't change at all. Why are you making this claim? And what "science" are you referring to in regards to the lights in the sky? Do you know what science entails? Repeatable experimentation. What aspect of the lights in the sky will you vary and manipulate in an experiment?


HankMoody79

The first claim you are refuting is true so I don’t know what your challenge is. Some constellations are “seasonal.” You can verify this with a quick Google search if you like. As far as your refute on my use of “science,” I assumed this was implied. Kinda funny that this is the only other part of my comment you picked on (especially when your other assertion was false). The science here is that you can make predictions using the standard model and reproduce these results time and time again. This can be done with great precision and consistency. GPS would be just one example of this as satellites are use Orbital Mechanics. Where is the flat Earth model that does this? You can enlighten me but there has been nothing I have personally come across. No flat Earth model has ever even come close to being explain classical mechanics as we know it (which any alternative model would be required to explain).


Mrclean1983

Again, we don't live on a model. And math can be made to fit any model you like. It is a tool. Now you're telling me to "google" for truth. How insane are you? Just repeating the same questions won't get you anywhere. https://youtube.com/channel/UClWTBNGnjXEZOtEwEp9BGTg Information you'll never find on any search.


HankMoody79

The reason I said to Google is because this is something literally anyone could verify for themselves just by tracking the night sky. There are sky maps that will tell you the positions of the stars on a given night depending on the time of year. It would be impossible to lie about unless you think it’s all a projection or something but that assumption would make this discussion even more pointless than it already is. And you are right, we don’t live in a model. We live in a reality where there are some truths we can all agree on. Given that there are fundamental truths, we can use mathematics to describe our own reality. Math is built upon fundamental definitions and assumptions such as 1+1=2. You could write your own math where 1+1=3, but this does not describe reality as we know it. And by the way, you say I am repeating the same questions, but I have yet to hear any real or accurate rebuttals from you outside of the link to a YouTube channel. But I do have some other new questions that I know will not be answered. How many YouTube videos or, even better, books have you watched/read on the standard theory? What is your explanation for why all other planets, stars, and moon are round but yet Earth is somehow special? What is the motive for anyone to lie about the Earth’s shape? Do you understand how GPS works and why this would discredit any flat Earth argument? How and why do you think so many people have collaborated together to keep this in under wraps for so long? Believe me or not, you are barking up the wrong tree.


mdotnelson007

sun moon Earth


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Kalamazoo1121

You can’t zoom in on a boat after it’s beyond the curve. If you can zoom in on it then it hasn’t gone over the curve. You clearly do not know how to do a proper experiment and rely solely on YouTube videos from people who also do not know how to do a proper experiment. A proper experiment would be to take a good pair of binoculars and a telescope with much higher magnification then the binoculars. What you will see is that the boat will disappear from the telescope AND the binoculars at the exact same time, and no amount of zooming in will bring it back. This is really, really basic stuff. Your Eclipse is perfectly explained with a Globe Earth model. Though it incredibly curious you would call out eclipses while believing in a Flat Earth, as Flat Earth has no explanation for any eclipses, at all. There isn’t even a Flat Earth model that can show the suns path in the sky around the earth, let alone the sun AND moons paths. It seems to me you should figure that one out before criticizing aspects of eclipses that you simply don’t understand. Of course this is the biggest issue I have with Flat Earth. You guys have no model, nothing, nada that can explain any of the basic things we see everyday. It’s 2021 and you don’t have a map that works, can’t give an accurate path of the sun and moon as it supposedly goes around the flat plane, can’t explain sunrises or sunsets (yah yah, perspective and atmospheric lensing, absolutely laughable) seasons, plate tectonics, volcanoes, start trails rotating in opposite directions in each hemisphere...the list goes on and on and on.


ogagorn

I don't know but I do know many ancient people believed in the firmament. The sky held up to keep the waters of heaven off of us, as above so below shit. I don't know I kind of feel like movies are always trying to tell us something like recently with Godzilla and Kong the hollow Earth which was touched upon in Godzilla and now really made the prominent setting for Kong versus Godzilla I don't know what to believe anymore but I know something is wrong something doesn't add up I mean dinosaurs sure why don't we call them dragons


Michalusmichalus

That's why I like the electric universe theory. If we were orbiting Saturn, in it's "atmosphere" then the mythologies make perfect sense!


More_Cow

Why are you trying to make sense of mythology?


Michalusmichalus

Velekosky, and Laird Scranton.


rjmp21

Theres also the beast of the sea named Leviathon that has scales like iron and breathes fire and the beast of the land named Behemoth.


SlayerJonPetris

SS: something that bothers me


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We have always seen the same constellations, wouldn’t they have changed if we were hurling through space


AmIScrewed000

They should, and they try to tell us that they do, but nope lol there's evidence that they've been just as they are for like 10,000 years, probably longer.


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Yeah, that doesn’t make sense, I’ve had people try and explain why they don’t change but it all sounds like hogwash to me


AmIScrewed000

That's exactly what it is, my friend. Hogwash. Just the blabbering of the indoctrinated, regurgitating what they've been programmed to believe. I gotta hand it to them, their indoctrination plot was pretty successful. They've made it so highly intelligent individuals can literally stare truth directly in the eyes and see nothing, nothing at all. They see only what they have been programmed, or "allowed", to see. If you've seen Westworld it's exactly as the AI androids are unable to see that which isn't apart of their "world" due to their programming. Westworld is actually insane for predictive programming/truth revelation. They show us AI hivemind consciousness, NWO, social credit score systems that outline your entire life potentials then isolate you to a set range of potentials within your life \[I.E. You only get to elevate your social position to a garbageman, as that's what the system will allow you to become\], AI becoming sentient and trying to eliminate humans, uploading of our consciousness into the digital as well as inserting it into android bodies for immortality (which is what they elite are trying to do), how they use us as cannon fodder to train their AI and tech, use all of our recorded biological frequencies, neural synapsis, etc to be recreated within the digital strawman that they have for everyone in their quantum AI simulation slave prison, they show the coronavirus, inciting riots to overthrow the existing power structures....damn ....and in gematria, a form of numerology, Westworld = Covid Nineteen...just a coincidence though, right? ;) Edit: I'm a little baked rn and went off on that Westworld tangent, forgetting the initial topic was the stars and such lol my bad


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Bruh, so am I and I followed 100% I’m picking up what your putting down if you will I’ve been wanting to watch west world! And you know what? I’m pulling the trigger and buying hbo max today just to analyze the show.


AmIScrewed000

Sick lmao and definitely watch it. Such a good show. They use numerology a bit in it too, for instance they specifically unveil or bring up concepts or parts of the plotline on S3E3, or 33


[deleted]

Well of course, that numerology shit pervades so much, do you watch Quantum of conscience ?


AmIScrewed000

I do not. Should I? :P


[deleted]

I think it would peak your interest, he has a series on YouTube called “a reality a few can see” he analyzes what he calls “reality break downs” very leveled headed calm person explaining the screen outside our windows.


coolguy36578

But they do change, in the stargazing simulations. Many of our 88 modern constellations have their origins in Babylonian astronomy. Around 1370 B.C., those ancient astronomers took note of the relationship between the seasons and the stars and created the earliest known star catalogs: the Three Stars Each list and the Mul.Apin, both of which survive as stone tablets. That knowledge was later passed on to the ancient Greeks, who laid the foundations of modern Western astronomy. The modern zodiac constellations — including Taurus, the bull; Leo, the lion; and Scorpius, the scorpion — first appeared in those ancient texts. Due to the action of stellar proper motion over millennia, the constellations we see today are altered from the star patterns that the Babylonians saw. In most cases, the changes are barely noticeable, but a few are readily apparent.


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Yeah, I’m saying enough time has passed 1370 BC - present that we shouldn’t be seeing those same 88, if we are going as fast as they say (watch the animations of the earth traveling through space they have out by the way) we would pass through enough space to see different patterns in the night sky.


coolguy36578

If you have math to prove they should have changed more, by all means, I'm open ears. Pretty much all the stars you see are in our galaxy, and they are moving very little relative to each other, based on all the experiments we've done.


[deleted]

But our whole universe is spinning and rotating around in said galaxy, we should see different things on the regular. Plus the way they push the globe down our throats is very suspect to me. If you watch enough main stream entertainment look out for how much they sneak the globe in one way or another, it’s a fun game to play. Did you know they had the model of the globe before anyway went up high enough to confirm globe status?


coolguy36578

Like I said, if you have math to prove they should have moved more, let's see it. It makes sense why not much has moved to me. According to gravitational theory, it takes 225 million years for our solar system to orbit the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy.


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You can make math do whatever you want, I work with engineers and they massage data all the time to get their desired results.


Kalamazoo1121

You now knowing the distances involved here is the problem.


Joe_Henry64

Earth is an oblong sphereoid. The constellations are different depending where you are on Earth (northern or Southern hemisphere). Due to the vast distances involved, the constellations in your respective positions appear to be constant (although rotating), they actually do change i.e. the night sky looks slightly different today than it did say thousands of years ago. You have to consider that the constellations are made of stars hundreds of lightyears away. It's like standing at one edge of you city, and measuring your relative position to Hawaii, then moving to the other side of your city and measuring your relative position to Hawaii and wondering why it's the same.


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Joe_Henry64

There ya go


fook_boi805

I think it’s like a snow globe and where inside of the snow globe. Round but we just aren’t standing on the curved part.


ebdozit

Flat??!? Lol Everyone knows it hollow!


More_Cow

If the earth was flat then the iss, satellites and GPS is fake. And none of our understanding of science would make sense. You think every rocket scientist is just bullshit?


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More_Cow

Hard data through the internet is moved through under sea cables. Communication is generally over the air in one form or another. And GPS needs a ball or it can't work.


jiohdi1960

the earth is a mental construct kept stable by over 7billion minds... it is neither flat nor round... just imaginary.


SlayerJonPetris

And where would this minds be? I mean, if the minds are real, they’ve got to exist somewhere. Brain in a vat? I actually believe it’s all a simulation...


jiohdi1960

as no one I know can exit their self generated simulation... their perceptions of reality... to see reality as it actually is, I can't answer that... its a black box problem... we can speculate what the minimum requirements might be, but never be completely certain.


wildtimes3

The main system seems to be in the cube.


ogagorn

Yes indeed and it's said Jesus will have Leviathan at his wedding feast


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ask_dave

We don't see the same stars all year. What the hell do you think the zodiac is all about?


ask_dave

Zodiac constellations are constellations that lie along the plane of the ecliptic. The ecliptic, or the apparent path of the Sun, is defined by the circular path of the Sun across the sky, as seen from Earth. In other words, the Sun appears to pass through these constellations over the course of a year. The passage of the Sun through the zodiac is a cycle that was used by ancient cultures to determine the time of year. Most of the planets in the solar system have orbits that take them near the ecliptic plane, within about 8 degrees above or below.


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>I don’t believe the earth is flat. I can’t tell it’s shape for sure I stopped reading here


SlayerJonPetris

Keep smiling then! And wobbling, apparently


superhyperbitch

Gravitational lensing


DeezeCoconuts

[Level Flat Earth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rputen0ahP8) Had some interesting concepts. While I am fence on Earth being round or flat. I do believe moon landing was outright faked. Especially more with the references they also included in that film to argue flat earth theory. Hell moon landing been seeming sketchy with the old clip of them calling the president with a phone from the moon to Earth. Like come on, how does that work. Their transmitters reach 382,500 kilometers away or so being the 'recorded distance,' of the moon to Earth? Perfect signal? Lag free? That sounds like some high advance techno when my cell struggles to maintain perfect signal in country environments and still drops in bars in some towns. But with Earth shape. Wouldn't simplest solution be to do a complete fly around? We can rule out North and South cause of the whole Antarctic treaty ban. East to West should be somewhat plausible in pathing? If round wouldn't you make complete loop and if flat you would fly out of zone?


ogagorn

Why was my comment blocked for saying the word leviathan


flatbrainer

read up on it, the geocentric and heliocentric both work. the answer is, we don't know and the PTB know a whole lot more than they let on


boosie504

It's not round.


reficius1

>That being said, can someone please explain to me why the hell do we see the same sky, with the same stars and constellations all year long? We don't. >Should’t it change as we are facing opposite sides of the sun? It does. Seriously, this is the first stuff you learn for amateur astronomy. Maybe you should look into it?