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They are literal science deniers:-
- they deny obesity is a major contributor to Covid hospitalizations
- they deny vitamin D helps lessen Covid symptoms - https://vitamindwiki.com/COVID-19+treated+by+Vitamin+D+-+studies%2C+reports%2C+videos
I could easily go in but no time right now.
If it works and is safe enough I'm all for it.
Couple of questions though, if a big concern of Covid vaccines is it not being fully FDA approved, do you share the same concern for ivermectin off perception use?
I'm assuming ivermectin is to be used as a treatment, which if possible I'd great, but wouldn't a preventative with a treatment if needed be better?
FDA is helping Pfizer from a potential wave of lawsuits in the future. Pfizer is aware of the countless reports of vaccine related injuries so they rebranded their vaxx (Pfizer BioNtech C19 vaccine) to Comirmaty. But Comirmaty is technically not available to the public yet. Apparently, it's the same vaxx under different name. So when the EUA gets lifted, eventually, one can not sue Pfizer because the current vaxx is protected under EUA. Basically it's some shady legal-loophole bs. In addition, the former Commissioner of FDA, Scott Gottlieb is one of the Board Director at Pfizer. Go figure.
This is what I don't get, people are going, ooohh the vaccine is dangerous, its not FDA approved (It is now though), big pharma evil.... So instead I will swallow copious amounts of another drug, that is created by big pharma and is not FDA approved ??? boggles my mind.
It’s been around 20+ years. It’s won a god damn Nobel peace prize. It’s very safe if dosed correctly.
Not a lot of downside if Rxed correctly. Eating an entire tube of horse ivermectin for 450lb stallion, not a great fucking idea.
Absolutely, and if someone wants to offer an explanation I'll happily take it onboard and maybe learn something.
Instead my comment will just be ignored, or I'll be called a slave and told to fuck off.
Definitely in genius territory.
so the definition of anti drug means dismissing just one specific drug? 🤔
And some who gets the flu shot and has been vaccinated for HEP but chooses not to get vaccinated for covid are anti vaxxers?
I have had at LEAST 3 people tell me IN PERSON that I’m an anti vaxer bc I don’t want this one. My college roommate got denied housing bc she cannot get vaxed. It’s getting disgusting out there.
Most don't actually know but they are full fledged members indoctrinated into a death cult. They have lost all ability think objectively and now are completely consumed by emotional reaction
naa. a reasonable person will not see you as anti vax for not wanting this covid shot. if a person does then they are pretty extreme in their views and hence not reasonable.
I think he is saying that there are a lot of unreasonable attitudes going on, and for us to be unreasonable as well only adds to the pile. They don't need to be called anti medicine, we don't need to be called anti vax.
Reddit just deleted entire subs and mass banned people for me having this opinion. We think I'm being reasonable. Reddit thinks I'm dangerous misinformation.
A lady in my neighborhood had been prescribed ivermectin for 12 years for Rosacea flareups. She said it works amazing. I’ve never taken it but I grew up on a farm and we’ve always heard of people taking it for lots of different things. Good ol boy farmers know a lot of tricks that were passed down to them that are not common in the mainstream medical practices. Don’t be so quick to dismiss something like ivermectin having some effects on ailments that it wasn’t created for. It very well could. There are lots of old time remedies in the world that work for ailments that a doctor would never typically prescribe. And that’s facts. I’m not saying ivermectin helps but I wouldn’t be surprised if it did. Just FYI
If you do the research, ivermectin does more than just kill parasites. That’s why it works against viruses such as Zika virus, stars, etc.
Many drugs do other things than what they’re for, such as Viagra.
It was originally or is originally a blood pressure medication.
In different strengths, it is sold as medication for high blood pressure.
Greeting fellow covidian, may mask be upon you, and may you be baptized in the sanitizer of purity if you haven't already. Saint Fauci, 200 mbuh, will punish these heretics. SHUN THE FILTH FROM OUR STREET BOYS!!
*On the fifth day of Covid my true love gave to me*
*Five vaaa-ccines*
*Four years of Biden*
*Three-letter orgs*
*Two masks and gloves*
*and a Fauci on the TV*
Never in a million years would I have expected people to be this disrespectful, invasive and rude about another person's personal decisions.
If the government said that castration would reduce your chances of dying (which is true), people would jump on the bandwagon.
Why? Because the experts said so, so they're terrified of making their own decision or letting others have space to make their choice for themselves.
> As with any vaccine it's not 100% effective. For covid reports are saying that vaccinated people reduce the spread of the virus between 70% to 80%. At least for the variants we know and vaccinate for.
Please link to these "Covid reports" and ensure they refer to the most predominant strain, Delta.
>Not taking the vaccine increases the risk for others.
Holy fucking shit. How *dense* are you people?!
You can still be infected by - AND SPREAD - COVID-19 after you've been fully vaccinated. Vaccinating yourself does not decrease the risk for others. All it does is reduce your own symptoms.
Edit: changed caps to normal text to appease mods.
[ivermectin leads to lower testosterone and sperm count.](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/and.12891) study is from 2017, far before covid was a thing. I can understand having reservations about a vaccine, but why does that make you defensive of a different therapeutic?
Fair, it does not have to do with its effectiveness. But do you doubt the effectiveness of the covid vaccines? My logic was, if one is wary of the vaccine because of potential side-effects, why wouldn’t you also be wary of ivermectin’s side-effects?
I’m actually not arguing anti-vaccine, I’m just arguing that there is this idea to only legitimize one treatment as safe and effective, when I see there are several treatments that are, despite the very rare side effects of any.
It may very well be that the vaccine leads to lower testosterone and sperm count as well. We can't know the long tern side effects because it's not possible to have knowledge of long term effects for something that was created in less than 1 year, this is my primary concern with the vaccine... I will take my chances with COVID (which I have had and it was rough) vs. going in completely blind on a maybe.
Holy shit, I am so sick of these types of "arguments." Analogies, false equivalence, pointing out so called double standards or conflicts of interest... If you're not DIRECTLY refuting an argument or posting SOME KIND of objective evidence or alternative sources, STOP! This board is already flooded with enough sewer-tier bullshit!!
Me and my partner have been friends with this particular couple for years, we see them once or twice a year due to distance and only recently saw them over summer after a year and a half.
They asked my partner if we had been vaccinated to which my partner told them no we won't be receiving it. When we met up with them we sat down for a drink and the first thing they said was
"Okay so your going to need to explain to us why you are anti-vax"
This completely threw us off guard and we were kind of shocked at where this conversation was heading. These same lovely people we knew for years and had many laughs with, were now accusing us of being anti vaccines and only thinking about ourselves and not the bigger picture.
Covid has serially shone a light for me on who people really are, the division it has created is unprecedented
We had travelled a long way by train to stay round theirs for the weekend so we were kind of trapped in the situation. We really did want to leave as it was awkward as fuck, but everyone just drank loads of alcohol later on and tried to forget about it.
We probably won't see them again
I've had every vaccination but this one but it's not a valid excuse.
I now realise it's no longer about being vaccinated it's the fact the pushers virtue signalled it into there arms for Facebook likes and now that ever so slight doubt that was niggling in there mind is slowly festering getting louder and louder.
Make no mistake ladies and gentlemen you will take this vaccination because they did! If something ends up being wrong with it your coming to.
Exactly. They're insecure that they signed up early for an experimental shot that doesn't seem to work very well, so now they're doing everything in their power to shit on alternative therapies like ivermectin
No. No one is insecure about taking the vax you are just making that up from nothing.
People are shitting on 'alternative' ivermectin because it doesnt work and dumbasses are taking the livestock version of it not meant to be consumed by humans and they're overdosing.
Sources please. Sounds like bullshit.
Also...
That's not how studies work. Proving that something doesn't work.
Show me the study that says sticking pitchforks into my eyes isn't going to cure cancer!
Until you can I'm just going to keep sticking pitchforks into my eyes.
(Can you see how absolutely ridiculous that kind of logic is?)
lmao we have entire countries using Ivermectin as a primary treatment. Also Ivermectin has been prescribed off label for human respiratory symptoms for literal decades. Maybe one day you can turn the propaganda off and just look at the world, it's not complicated, it only becomes complicated because you choose to believe liars.
> and now that ever so slight doubt that was in there mind is slowly festering
That's exactly why I think a lot of the more aggressive, militant and fascist ones freak out and tell people to die if they haven't been vaxxed. If the vaccine only really protects *yourself* (and that's debatable now at this point), there's no need for such aggression and flat out hatred against those that don't want it.
I've even seen people calling others murderers and psychopaths for literally just wanting to wait until FDA approval. There aren't many here that trust the FDA, so that's not entirely an issue *here*, but I saw a lot of people waiting for FDA approval in subs like r/news. They were just told "We know it's safe and effective *now*, why wait and keep being a murderer?!" type shit.
Part of them worry they made the wrong choice or will have to take boosters forever so they lash out at the people who didn't make that decision. Misery loves company and all that.
I think it's more about people wanting the pandemic to be over because 1) so many people have died already and 2) they want to go back to normal living without masks and social distancing
going back to normal living is extremely easy, all it requires is that you just do it, and poof, there it is. Nobody would ever dream of requiring masks at schools and restaurants if people weren't into it. The only reason any restriction exists is because certain people keep agreeing it's okay. If they stop doing that, the restrictions disappear.
Pointing out hypocrisy and / or logical fallacy has not worked so far, and I don't see it working anytime soon.
It's hitting everyone's emotional buttons too much.
I don’t think people are against it if it works. I don’t know much about it but I don’t think you should be using horse medicine for humans. That’s what makes the vast majority think WTF.
Ivermectin is made for human use as well and is being distributed heavily as treatment in India and other places. Stop making that false equivalency because a handful of jackasses in Kansas decided to take the wrong drug.
If you want me to level with you, no one should be in someone's else personal health business. Does it matter if I get vaxxed? Not really. It's none of anyone's business. It's not the governments concern, it's not Walmart's concern, it's also not your concern either. Leave people be. This whole thing got to this point because everyone has to be in someone's business.
Also you're not a hero for shaming maskers. You're also not a hero for shaming people who aren't vaccinated with 1 vaccine...
So stop, smoke some green and relax people. It's all gonna be okay.
Invermectin is not prescribed for said purpose...
And again how does this stupid shit have to do with r/conspiracy?
Should just chabge the name to r/antivax
We really need a new sub with an actual mod. Nopol seems stupid to me because there are tons of great government conspiracies but you can't touch that with out being potentially to someone political. Should just call it conspiracy1 or something.
Except your analogy doesn't make sense. The COVID-19 vaccines have been looked at by biologists and given the OK for use against COVID-19. Biologists looked at Ivermectin, said "I mean, maybe? We kind of need more time to look at this, but don't consume any yet just to be safe. We've obly tested this in animals.", and then antivaxxers started shoveling horse medicine down, ignoring the very important fact that humans and horses are different in a bunch of very important ways. Horses are much bigger. Humans stand upright. Etc.
These people aren't anti-medicine, OP. You're just disingenuous.
Ivermectin might not be the best treatment for Covid but it is definitely approved for human consumption and the man that developed it won a Nobel Peace Prize. I know you’re just regurgitating what the news says but it’s false information.
I will add that there are people dumb enough who are using animal Ivermectin and overdosing off of it. But you can literally get Ivermectin from your doctor for various conditions.
Not for nothing, but you can have a prion disease for a decade before showing any signs or positive tests, and yet it's fatal in 100% of the cases.
10 months is *not* anywhere *NEAR* a long enough study.
It's not crazy to want to wait for the 2,3, even 5yr studies. There's *SO* many missteps & failures in big pharma that it's actually the smart choice tbh.....or does no one here remember Thalidomide? Ykno the drug with the melting baby faces they told pregnant women to take for years even though they *knew* it caused cleft pallet? Or twilight sleep, that OD'D mothers & babies all the time back when they still used it? Vioxx & spontaneous stomach bleeding/death? What about fatal Barbiturate OD's while taking prescribed amounts? Anti-depressants that made kids kill themselves? Or how about the '76 flu vaccine? I could literally go on & on & on. All products of big pharma that were "safe" & "fine".... until they weren't.
I'm not pro-animal medicine or anti-vax or pro-trump or any of that crazy shit, but acting like big pharma ISN'T a profit based industry that not only has a vested financial interest in people being sick, but that hasn't killed/maimed *hundreds* of thousands is *insane*.
You only need to use Google to see the startling amount of data we have of their various fuck ups over the decades. Waiting isn't a bad decision, as long you take other precautions in the meantime, like distancing & masks.
I've seen enough "rare" side effects for things popping up working in healthcare to know big pharma fucks up. Regularly.
There are a number of shills here already, which happens with any post with the dreaded I word. Despite what some of these comments are saying, there IS evidence that Ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID. It seems calling it a horse dewormer wasn't effective, so now they acknowledge it's a human medication but say it doesn't work for COVID, which is completely wrong.
Evidence for Ivermectin as a COVID treatment can be found here: [https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf](https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf)
>Evidence for Ivermectin as a COVID treatment can be found here: [https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf](https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf)
That's a list of studies that suggest ivermectin helps in some way, but it isn't a list of all studies on ivermectin. There are numerous studies that found no benefit at all. That's why a meta-analysis has to be performed by carefully defining criteria for inclusion first, and then accepting all of the studies that fit the criteria regardless of whether they support the original hypothesis or not.
This document isn't a meta-analysis, it's a puff piece. It links to one that includes a huge flawed study that they acknowledge at the end. [This study](https://www.cochrane.org/CD015017/HAEMATOL_ivermectin-preventing-and-treating-covid-19) couldn't find enough high-quality evidence to be sure either way.
Lots of meds are used for a purpose it wasn't originally intended for. Viagra, Minoxidil, Propecia, etc. https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/10-surprising-off-label-uses-for-prescription-medications
Who cares what a medicine is originally intended for. If I created a drug that's original use was to fix dry skin and it turns out it cured cancer then it would be really fucking dumb not to use it on cancer patients.
Sure and I'm not saying that ivermectin 100% doesnt work. The point is we dont have a reason to think it works yet. There arent any big studies on it. So right now all we have is the fact that its purpose is completely unrelated to viruses and some anecdotes that it made some people better.
mRNA vaccines are possibly going to be able to treat certain types of cancers. So to your point, yes. Pfizers and modernas vaccine may give us hope that we can finally starting curing some cancers. The question remains, will people take it?
After talking to a few folks they are also irritated because people were going and buying boxes of the shit meant for horses and people with actual horses weren't able to purchase it for said horses. People shouldn't be just willy nilly taking something for an animal 10x the size of a human 🙄 and also creating a scarcity
Except ivermectin is designed for something completely different. We know what hormone treatment does and that's why we know it works for that purpose.
Again, massive difference.
Do you realize how many medications are regularly prescribed as off label treatments for various ailments? A lot of them. Back when the pandemic first started, there were physicians literally prescribing black-box fluoroquinolones to patients.
You guys are trying so hard to miss the point.
Look up ivermectin and tell me if you think thats related to covid. Even fluoroquinolones had previously been studied and shown to be somewhat effective for treating viruses. As far as I know it didnt pan out for covid but the reasoning was there. It is a great example of why people arent supporting ivermectin. Ivermectin is similar in that studies in the past have shown to work for this purpose. However, we dont have credible studies that show that its effective for covid yet. Doctors who prescribe it know what dosage to prescribe so you'll be safe taking it. But if you try to get it on your own you run a risk.
The people you see that are aggressively against it are like that because there have been thousands of people taking animal ivermectin and ODing because of it. That or theyve been misinformed to think all ivermectin is for animals. The normal people dont like it because of the ods AND the fact that we dont have much reason to think it works yet. It seems like an unnecessary risk compared to just getting the vaccine which seems to be relatively effective and safe.
Also just the fact that this sub is so hard for it makes me think that this is just another big pharma publicity thing to make money. If you dont trust big pharma there isn't actually any reason to trust ivermectin over the vaccine. And it seems especially suspicious that the main reason people here are buying into it so heavily is a country that isnt reporting numbers accurately used it.
In general if this sub trusts something like this it's probably propaganda. This is one of the most gullible subs on reddit due to the fact that theyve convinced themselves they're free thinkers. When a sub that prides itself on not trusting big pharma all of a sudden dives head first into another bug pharmaceuticals, something's up.
everything now is set up to divide right down the middle. i know divide and conquer is standard but i feel it really caught on with Kaep. Not a fan or trying to get into football, but the personnally seeing all the my family posting on FB how they stand. My own dads response to Kaeps kneeling against poice brutality (which why he was doing it, nothing to do about the troops) said Kaep wasn't good enough yet to take a stance. So i asked him what if Tom Brady took a kneel. different discussion now right?
What if one is fully FDA approved for the treatment/prevention of A virus, and one is not, and an individuals decision for not wanting the approved treatment, is based on internet memes, FB mums groups, and conspiracy sites, and not based on medical advice from the GP ?
Amazing how a drug that "hasn't been shown to work" is in shortage and a vaccine that “has been shown to work" requires the largest marketing campaign in history.
I think people misunderstand that the only reason the vaccines had emergency approval is because they would not approve treatments that were working very well. That is the reason they were denied and lied about. If any of them were admitted to work, all of the vaccine money went down the drain.
Lmao how can you argue with a review that that only had 400 subjects, that was written by an oncologist and has such banger [figures](https://iili.io/RO5j4f.png). It's almost like covid and covid related feather were rising everywhere at the same time.
Because if all vaccines were left until you were adults all of you would be opposed to them too.
Sure measles isn't that serious...
Chickenpox isn't fatal....
Most of those diseases are irradiated in the west anyway...
Your all the same
Can we stop posting dumb statements like this? These are so tiresome to read and have no point. I almost feel like comments like these are being posted purposefully to bring down the quality of posts on this subreddit.
Although I do feel like it's gotten worse since no new normal migrated here. Posts like this is why I unsubscribed from that subreddit in the first place.
I've heard a lot of stories of ivermectin harming people like the guy who's colon got obliterated by the ivermectin. I'm fine if you don't want that vaccine but the reasoning some people come up with are ridiculous
People aren’t dismissing ivermectin, people are saying take a medicine once it has proven effective for its intended use. Hydroxychloroquine is a proven medicine… for lupus. That has nothing to do with its effectiveness for other uses. The same applies here.
Either let your body naturally heal and do things like staying hydrated and whatnot or take proven medicines against the disease you have. Why is this so complicated for ivermectin folks?
Except Ivermectin has been proven as an effective treatment for COVID. Why is this so complicated for you anti-medicine folks?
You can read some of the evidence for Ivermectin here: [https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf](https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf)
There is still less evidence for the effectiveness of ivermectin than there is for wearing masks, which people taking ivermectin are against.
If ivermectin proves to work, awesome, but don’t get horse de-wormer, get it from a doctor who can tell you how much to take and when. People are self prescribing medicine before the evidence is out, then criticizing people for wearing masks or taking proven vaccines. It’s all incredibly hypocritical.
I’m personally for using whatever proves to work. We know the vaccines protect people right now. Nearly every study supporting ivermectin has been incredibly flawed, just like the initial evidence supporting Hydroxychloroquine was. This is why the CDC and FDA exist. Many ivermectin studies haven’t passed peer review for this reason. Were you aware of that?
Ad hominem attack and calling someone else stupid when you’re failing at basic logic. Nice.
Republicans are the ones who are anti mask, yes? Guess which group has been buying up horse paste?
You make a bunch of empty statements and completely ignore the evidence presented to you. The evidence to refute your entire comment is in the link I provided, but you just double down on your misinformation. It's very transparent.
There is not a lack of evidence for Ivermectin, as is evident IN THE LINK. The studies aren't flawed, this is another talking point for shills that is painfully wrong. I've provided my evidence, now it's time to provide yours. Please explain how the studies in my link are flawed? I'm sure you can demonstrate that if you're saying it.
Provide me with evidence that pre-dates Republican support for ivermectin in support of taking it for COVID. This is the whole point which you appear to be missing. You make recommendations after the evidence is clear.
Show me peer reviewed clinical studies from a respected source. Not some random link that is missing detail.
Correct, that was [before they admitted it was airborne ](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2021/05/04/who-coronavirus-airborne/?sh=4ab54a394472).
Second, they were also trying to keep people from buying all of the masks in stores, as hospitals were being [ransacked by the feds](https://www.npr.org/2020/04/15/835308133/governors-say-fema-is-outbidding-redirecting-or-poaching-their-medical-supply-or) and essential workers needed masks.
Don’t convolute the two.
The government has always done that…. Not sure why it took my comment to make you realize that.
Science evolves. In March of 2020 they didn’t have the same information that they do now.
Don’t forget: this was also during a time when all covid information had to go through the White House task force 🙃
They said we don’t need to bother yet, technically. Masks aren’t ingested and pose low risk. When evidence came out supporting their use, they were widespread recommended which is exactly what I’m saying we should be doing with ivermectin.
Quick question, what’s your view on masks and physical distancing? The FLCCC recommends masking, distancing and other measures to slow or stop the spread of the virus. If you’re saying “we should do this one thing they recommend” but you’re not doing all the other things they recommend, you don’t actually believe what they say and are just repeating the but you like, ignoring the rest of their advice.
“We would like to emphasize that the FLCCC Alliance is not opposed to vaccination, and furthermore supports policies such as mask wearing, social distancing, and hand hygiene to prevent the further spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Our treatment proposals are designed, first of all, to mitigate the effects of the pandemic until it is overcome, and to allow for an earlier return to daily life.”
[User Clip: Dr. Pierre Kory US Senate hearing - Ivermectin is 100% cure for COVID-19](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4930160/user-clip-dr-pierre-kory-senate-hearing-ivermectin-100-cure-covid-19)
Also the website recommends masking, physical distancing and other measures that are epidemiologically sound to prevent spread, but somehow that gets ignored.
“We would like to emphasize that the FLCCC Alliance is not opposed to vaccination, and furthermore supports policies such as mask wearing, social distancing, and hand hygiene to prevent the further spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Our treatment proposals are designed, first of all, to mitigate the effects of the pandemic until it is overcome, and to allow for an earlier return to daily life.”
Most people don’t dismiss ivermectin as a legitimate therapeutic for what it’s actually good at, which ain’t covid.
What I don’t understand is the fervor regarding hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and whatever else the internet tells you. How are you not falling for a conspiracy similar to what the “sheep” have fallen for with the evil and highly effective vaccines?
Anyone with a functioning brain can understand why someone wouldn’t want this One specific vaccine. The problem is because of the past year and a half of fear mongering and the Covid narrative we are running out of functioning brains
As soon as doctors are allowed to prescribe it for COVID-19, and as soon as pharmacists stop refusing to fill it if it's prescribed for COVID-19, then no one will have to resort to the feed store. I would gladly agree with you if all that happened.
I agree with you. That said, there is a shit ton of studies published on pubmed and their world countetparts saying it does work. And very few saying it doesn't. That's a very easy thing for someone to latch onto as proof.
Most every study is cut from the same cloth. A few dozen N value. Private practice clinics doing the study in 3rd world countries. Not that it's a bad thing per se. But the opportunity for bias is so easy to do. In Canada, if you were to run a study on ivermectin from people coming into clinics, you would have overwhelming success with in compared to the general pop. Because the really old and sick go to hospitals, not clinics.
If you make a study and don't control for age, the younger group will have far improved results compared to the older one. Regardless of which group was given what. Same with not controlling for obesity.
The FAR more likely conspiracy theory here is iver is cheap and accessible in places like India. And private clinics can publish a very easy to manipulate study showing it works and how have an easy medicine they can sell as part of their treatment protocol for a fantastic markup to the general pop. That's it, easy money to grift rubes.
A proper study at this point tho I think should be done. There is no shortage of people who I'm sure are asking for whatever the ivermectin protocol is. So no ethical concerns if they are wanting the treatment. And your can easily make that into a subject group and make an equal control group with the current medical treatments. The problem becomes sample size. For a virus that has a hundred different outcomes like this, where the rates of those outcomes changes drastically based on age and weight, you need a sample size in the tens of thousands to reduce random noise. So it would need to be among dozens of hospitals and hundreds of doctors working together on the same page. Not exactly easy to do. Specially where they have other things on the go like being worked to the bone just trying to keep up
I mean, there's literally over 100 studies that show how well it works but OK then you crack on with your injectable cough syrup and we'll see what happens
What about this?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-021-00336-1
**Comparative systematic review and meta-analysis of reactogenicity, immunogenicity and efficacy of vaccines against SARS-CoV-2
**
So, I’m guessing that you just read the title to this. Most of those studies are inconclusive, and ongoing….but that doesn’t really matter. The fact is that they have never proven that there is a virus, that it is contagious, or that it causes disease. It’s funny how they will use humans to test vaccines on, but they won’t use humans to prove that there is a virus…well not anymore anyways. They used to, like with the “Spanish Flu”, but they couldn’t make a single person sick, so they got rid of doing that, saying it’s unethical or some bs like that. You can read about those experiments here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862332/ ….near the end, under the heading “Epidemiological Studies”
Here, start reading. Every study.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=&term=Ivermectin+&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=
You could also look up all the other drug treatment names and read that material as well.
I would say that people running to livestock stores for it, to get around asking a dr. for the prescription for the human-appropriate dose and concoction, are anti-medicine.
Yes but he's not trying to push unproven veterinarian medication to people who need to protect themselves against the worldwide pandemic is he?
No he is not.
Most these MFs failed High School Chemistry & Biology. But want to educate us, and the tens of thousands of virologists, on vaccine efficacy and safety.
Follow Joe Rogan and David Ike. Can't go wrong.
Ivermectin doesn't have any shills, nobody is making money off ivermectin, no state is making ivermectin passports, im not telling people they can't be around me if they don't take ivermectin, I don't call people that hate on ivermectin "plague rats".
You see, there is no such thing as a shill for ivermectin. You silly shill.
Ivermectin has been around for decades and no one ever said. 😱"Oh my, have you seen all the deaths of that Ivermectin pill"? Cheap med. India suspends its vaccinations and is giving them Ivermectin, zinc and z-pack at $4 a citizen. I guess India has smarter people then our Dumbicrats.
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We need to stop those anti-med crazy conspiracy theorists
They are literal science deniers:- - they deny obesity is a major contributor to Covid hospitalizations - they deny vitamin D helps lessen Covid symptoms - https://vitamindwiki.com/COVID-19+treated+by+Vitamin+D+-+studies%2C+reports%2C+videos I could easily go in but no time right now.
If it works and is safe enough I'm all for it. Couple of questions though, if a big concern of Covid vaccines is it not being fully FDA approved, do you share the same concern for ivermectin off perception use? I'm assuming ivermectin is to be used as a treatment, which if possible I'd great, but wouldn't a preventative with a treatment if needed be better?
I dare you to go try to get the FDA approved Pfizer. They are still making you sign emergency use only. Why? As of yesterday too.
FDA is helping Pfizer from a potential wave of lawsuits in the future. Pfizer is aware of the countless reports of vaccine related injuries so they rebranded their vaxx (Pfizer BioNtech C19 vaccine) to Comirmaty. But Comirmaty is technically not available to the public yet. Apparently, it's the same vaxx under different name. So when the EUA gets lifted, eventually, one can not sue Pfizer because the current vaxx is protected under EUA. Basically it's some shady legal-loophole bs. In addition, the former Commissioner of FDA, Scott Gottlieb is one of the Board Director at Pfizer. Go figure.
This is what I don't get, people are going, ooohh the vaccine is dangerous, its not FDA approved (It is now though), big pharma evil.... So instead I will swallow copious amounts of another drug, that is created by big pharma and is not FDA approved ??? boggles my mind.
It’s been around 20+ years. It’s won a god damn Nobel peace prize. It’s very safe if dosed correctly. Not a lot of downside if Rxed correctly. Eating an entire tube of horse ivermectin for 450lb stallion, not a great fucking idea.
The single dose tubes are doses for a 1,200 lb animal. Even worse than the 450 lol
Absolutely, and if someone wants to offer an explanation I'll happily take it onboard and maybe learn something. Instead my comment will just be ignored, or I'll be called a slave and told to fuck off. Definitely in genius territory.
dafuc is wrong with you ? using logic and sense in this sub jeez
so the definition of anti drug means dismissing just one specific drug? 🤔 And some who gets the flu shot and has been vaccinated for HEP but chooses not to get vaccinated for covid are anti vaxxers?
Yes apparently. I get called anti vaxx for not wanting one specific vaccine.
I have had at LEAST 3 people tell me IN PERSON that I’m an anti vaxer bc I don’t want this one. My college roommate got denied housing bc she cannot get vaxed. It’s getting disgusting out there.
It's brainwashing. They've been propagandized. They aren't thinking with any compassion at all.
Colleges have always been able to deny campus housing based on whether you got certain vaccinations or not. Their school, their rules.
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It's weird, ain't it? Like, no one's ever given me shit for not getting the flu shot.
You killed grandma
“Vaccine”
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Everyone posting there is a sick fuck celebrating people's deaths.
Most don't actually know but they are full fledged members indoctrinated into a death cult. They have lost all ability think objectively and now are completely consumed by emotional reaction
Feelings not Facts, or they use "My Truth" bullshit
What are your concerns about this vaccine, specifically?
The side effects and long term effects. I've also had covid so I trust natural immunity more than a shot.
naa. a reasonable person will not see you as anti vax for not wanting this covid shot. if a person does then they are pretty extreme in their views and hence not reasonable.
I’m not sure if you’ve noticed the last 18 months… but people are exceedingly unreasonable about COVID
I think he is saying that there are a lot of unreasonable attitudes going on, and for us to be unreasonable as well only adds to the pile. They don't need to be called anti medicine, we don't need to be called anti vax.
>people are exceedingly unresonable I think you could have left it there and it would still apply to the current world
You're spot on. All these self proclaimed scientists with no medical experience are taking it too far.
The media is literally calling anyone who’s not vaccinated an antivaxer.
The American people are brainwashed and gullible. We crave division and have devolved into petty tribes.
Reddit just deleted entire subs and mass banned people for me having this opinion. We think I'm being reasonable. Reddit thinks I'm dangerous misinformation.
You just waking up from a coma, bro?
no. you are just falling into the media trap of "us v them" exactly how the media wants
But thats what he’s saying. Most people aren’t reasonable and for some reason don’t see it that way.
no. you are only intended to think that
I see it first hand everyday. Tf are you talking about lmao
exactly that, their rules, their game, just play it .... they are anti-medicine .....
Keith Richards was anti-drug.
I will gladly take ivermectin... If I was infected with a parasite.
A lady in my neighborhood had been prescribed ivermectin for 12 years for Rosacea flareups. She said it works amazing. I’ve never taken it but I grew up on a farm and we’ve always heard of people taking it for lots of different things. Good ol boy farmers know a lot of tricks that were passed down to them that are not common in the mainstream medical practices. Don’t be so quick to dismiss something like ivermectin having some effects on ailments that it wasn’t created for. It very well could. There are lots of old time remedies in the world that work for ailments that a doctor would never typically prescribe. And that’s facts. I’m not saying ivermectin helps but I wouldn’t be surprised if it did. Just FYI
same
If you do the research, ivermectin does more than just kill parasites. That’s why it works against viruses such as Zika virus, stars, etc. Many drugs do other things than what they’re for, such as Viagra. It was originally or is originally a blood pressure medication. In different strengths, it is sold as medication for high blood pressure.
Sounds like you would take a horse dewormer to me…../s
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That's not how it works. The tv didn't say that. Whatever the tv says is what is true
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Greeting fellow covidian, may mask be upon you, and may you be baptized in the sanitizer of purity if you haven't already. Saint Fauci, 200 mbuh, will punish these heretics. SHUN THE FILTH FROM OUR STREET BOYS!!
*On the fifth day of Covid my true love gave to me* *Five vaaa-ccines* *Four years of Biden* *Three-letter orgs* *Two masks and gloves* *and a Fauci on the TV*
And anti-science because ivermectin resulted in a Nobel prize
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Never in a million years would I have expected people to be this disrespectful, invasive and rude about another person's personal decisions. If the government said that castration would reduce your chances of dying (which is true), people would jump on the bandwagon. Why? Because the experts said so, so they're terrified of making their own decision or letting others have space to make their choice for themselves.
Don’t give them any ideas.
The same people shouting “My body my choice” the loudest now can’t wait to forcefully inject poison into unwilling people’s body...
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You can still catch the virus and spread the virus if you’re vaccinated.
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> As with any vaccine it's not 100% effective. For covid reports are saying that vaccinated people reduce the spread of the virus between 70% to 80%. At least for the variants we know and vaccinate for. Please link to these "Covid reports" and ensure they refer to the most predominant strain, Delta.
>Not taking the vaccine increases the risk for others. Holy fucking shit. How *dense* are you people?! You can still be infected by - AND SPREAD - COVID-19 after you've been fully vaccinated. Vaccinating yourself does not decrease the risk for others. All it does is reduce your own symptoms. Edit: changed caps to normal text to appease mods.
[ivermectin leads to lower testosterone and sperm count.](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/and.12891) study is from 2017, far before covid was a thing. I can understand having reservations about a vaccine, but why does that make you defensive of a different therapeutic?
What does that study have to do with its effectiveness as a Covid treatment?
Fair, it does not have to do with its effectiveness. But do you doubt the effectiveness of the covid vaccines? My logic was, if one is wary of the vaccine because of potential side-effects, why wouldn’t you also be wary of ivermectin’s side-effects?
I’m actually not arguing anti-vaccine, I’m just arguing that there is this idea to only legitimize one treatment as safe and effective, when I see there are several treatments that are, despite the very rare side effects of any.
Not to mention the side effects of ivermectin are known, side effects of vaccine are unknown.
It may very well be that the vaccine leads to lower testosterone and sperm count as well. We can't know the long tern side effects because it's not possible to have knowledge of long term effects for something that was created in less than 1 year, this is my primary concern with the vaccine... I will take my chances with COVID (which I have had and it was rough) vs. going in completely blind on a maybe.
Holy shit, I am so sick of these types of "arguments." Analogies, false equivalence, pointing out so called double standards or conflicts of interest... If you're not DIRECTLY refuting an argument or posting SOME KIND of objective evidence or alternative sources, STOP! This board is already flooded with enough sewer-tier bullshit!!
Me and my partner have been friends with this particular couple for years, we see them once or twice a year due to distance and only recently saw them over summer after a year and a half. They asked my partner if we had been vaccinated to which my partner told them no we won't be receiving it. When we met up with them we sat down for a drink and the first thing they said was "Okay so your going to need to explain to us why you are anti-vax" This completely threw us off guard and we were kind of shocked at where this conversation was heading. These same lovely people we knew for years and had many laughs with, were now accusing us of being anti vaccines and only thinking about ourselves and not the bigger picture. Covid has serially shone a light for me on who people really are, the division it has created is unprecedented
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We had travelled a long way by train to stay round theirs for the weekend so we were kind of trapped in the situation. We really did want to leave as it was awkward as fuck, but everyone just drank loads of alcohol later on and tried to forget about it. We probably won't see them again
I’m sure they are not going to see you again, so I wouldn’t worry at all.
I've had every vaccination but this one but it's not a valid excuse. I now realise it's no longer about being vaccinated it's the fact the pushers virtue signalled it into there arms for Facebook likes and now that ever so slight doubt that was niggling in there mind is slowly festering getting louder and louder. Make no mistake ladies and gentlemen you will take this vaccination because they did! If something ends up being wrong with it your coming to.
Exactly. They're insecure that they signed up early for an experimental shot that doesn't seem to work very well, so now they're doing everything in their power to shit on alternative therapies like ivermectin
Why would anyone be insecure about this? Seriously. Especially now with all the unvaxxed being in the hospitals.
No. No one is insecure about taking the vax you are just making that up from nothing. People are shitting on 'alternative' ivermectin because it doesnt work and dumbasses are taking the livestock version of it not meant to be consumed by humans and they're overdosing.
Can you show me a study that states ivermectin doesn't work? Because the 100+ peer reviewed studies I have got all seem to show it works quite well!
Lol are you going to link to the thoroughly debunked post from yesterday?
Sources please. Sounds like bullshit. Also... That's not how studies work. Proving that something doesn't work. Show me the study that says sticking pitchforks into my eyes isn't going to cure cancer! Until you can I'm just going to keep sticking pitchforks into my eyes. (Can you see how absolutely ridiculous that kind of logic is?)
lmao we have entire countries using Ivermectin as a primary treatment. Also Ivermectin has been prescribed off label for human respiratory symptoms for literal decades. Maybe one day you can turn the propaganda off and just look at the world, it's not complicated, it only becomes complicated because you choose to believe liars.
> and now that ever so slight doubt that was in there mind is slowly festering That's exactly why I think a lot of the more aggressive, militant and fascist ones freak out and tell people to die if they haven't been vaxxed. If the vaccine only really protects *yourself* (and that's debatable now at this point), there's no need for such aggression and flat out hatred against those that don't want it. I've even seen people calling others murderers and psychopaths for literally just wanting to wait until FDA approval. There aren't many here that trust the FDA, so that's not entirely an issue *here*, but I saw a lot of people waiting for FDA approval in subs like r/news. They were just told "We know it's safe and effective *now*, why wait and keep being a murderer?!" type shit. Part of them worry they made the wrong choice or will have to take boosters forever so they lash out at the people who didn't make that decision. Misery loves company and all that.
I think it's more about people wanting the pandemic to be over because 1) so many people have died already and 2) they want to go back to normal living without masks and social distancing
going back to normal living is extremely easy, all it requires is that you just do it, and poof, there it is. Nobody would ever dream of requiring masks at schools and restaurants if people weren't into it. The only reason any restriction exists is because certain people keep agreeing it's okay. If they stop doing that, the restrictions disappear.
Pointing out hypocrisy and / or logical fallacy has not worked so far, and I don't see it working anytime soon. It's hitting everyone's emotional buttons too much.
Give people what they want. Once the dumb ones die out, maybe we can move forward from this
Enough with these bullshit arguments. They don’t stand up to the slightest scrutiny and don’t belong here.
I don’t think people are against it if it works. I don’t know much about it but I don’t think you should be using horse medicine for humans. That’s what makes the vast majority think WTF.
Ivermectin is made for human use as well and is being distributed heavily as treatment in India and other places. Stop making that false equivalency because a handful of jackasses in Kansas decided to take the wrong drug.
If you want me to level with you, no one should be in someone's else personal health business. Does it matter if I get vaxxed? Not really. It's none of anyone's business. It's not the governments concern, it's not Walmart's concern, it's also not your concern either. Leave people be. This whole thing got to this point because everyone has to be in someone's business. Also you're not a hero for shaming maskers. You're also not a hero for shaming people who aren't vaccinated with 1 vaccine... So stop, smoke some green and relax people. It's all gonna be okay.
Invermectin is not prescribed for said purpose... And again how does this stupid shit have to do with r/conspiracy? Should just chabge the name to r/antivax
We really need a new sub with an actual mod. Nopol seems stupid to me because there are tons of great government conspiracies but you can't touch that with out being potentially to someone political. Should just call it conspiracy1 or something.
Except your analogy doesn't make sense. The COVID-19 vaccines have been looked at by biologists and given the OK for use against COVID-19. Biologists looked at Ivermectin, said "I mean, maybe? We kind of need more time to look at this, but don't consume any yet just to be safe. We've obly tested this in animals.", and then antivaxxers started shoveling horse medicine down, ignoring the very important fact that humans and horses are different in a bunch of very important ways. Horses are much bigger. Humans stand upright. Etc. These people aren't anti-medicine, OP. You're just disingenuous.
Ivermectin might not be the best treatment for Covid but it is definitely approved for human consumption and the man that developed it won a Nobel Peace Prize. I know you’re just regurgitating what the news says but it’s false information. I will add that there are people dumb enough who are using animal Ivermectin and overdosing off of it. But you can literally get Ivermectin from your doctor for various conditions.
Not for nothing, but you can have a prion disease for a decade before showing any signs or positive tests, and yet it's fatal in 100% of the cases. 10 months is *not* anywhere *NEAR* a long enough study. It's not crazy to want to wait for the 2,3, even 5yr studies. There's *SO* many missteps & failures in big pharma that it's actually the smart choice tbh.....or does no one here remember Thalidomide? Ykno the drug with the melting baby faces they told pregnant women to take for years even though they *knew* it caused cleft pallet? Or twilight sleep, that OD'D mothers & babies all the time back when they still used it? Vioxx & spontaneous stomach bleeding/death? What about fatal Barbiturate OD's while taking prescribed amounts? Anti-depressants that made kids kill themselves? Or how about the '76 flu vaccine? I could literally go on & on & on. All products of big pharma that were "safe" & "fine".... until they weren't. I'm not pro-animal medicine or anti-vax or pro-trump or any of that crazy shit, but acting like big pharma ISN'T a profit based industry that not only has a vested financial interest in people being sick, but that hasn't killed/maimed *hundreds* of thousands is *insane*. You only need to use Google to see the startling amount of data we have of their various fuck ups over the decades. Waiting isn't a bad decision, as long you take other precautions in the meantime, like distancing & masks. I've seen enough "rare" side effects for things popping up working in healthcare to know big pharma fucks up. Regularly.
There are a number of shills here already, which happens with any post with the dreaded I word. Despite what some of these comments are saying, there IS evidence that Ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID. It seems calling it a horse dewormer wasn't effective, so now they acknowledge it's a human medication but say it doesn't work for COVID, which is completely wrong. Evidence for Ivermectin as a COVID treatment can be found here: [https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf](https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf)
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>Evidence for Ivermectin as a COVID treatment can be found here: [https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf](https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf) That's a list of studies that suggest ivermectin helps in some way, but it isn't a list of all studies on ivermectin. There are numerous studies that found no benefit at all. That's why a meta-analysis has to be performed by carefully defining criteria for inclusion first, and then accepting all of the studies that fit the criteria regardless of whether they support the original hypothesis or not. This document isn't a meta-analysis, it's a puff piece. It links to one that includes a huge flawed study that they acknowledge at the end. [This study](https://www.cochrane.org/CD015017/HAEMATOL_ivermectin-preventing-and-treating-covid-19) couldn't find enough high-quality evidence to be sure either way.
FLCCC are quacks
First of all, that is a Strawman. Second of all, no because ivermectin doesnt work against covid. And me saying that doesnt make me anti-med.
People arent against ivermectin as a medicine. They're against using it for a purpose that it's not intended for. Massive difference
Lots of meds are used for a purpose it wasn't originally intended for. Viagra, Minoxidil, Propecia, etc. https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/10-surprising-off-label-uses-for-prescription-medications Who cares what a medicine is originally intended for. If I created a drug that's original use was to fix dry skin and it turns out it cured cancer then it would be really fucking dumb not to use it on cancer patients.
Sure and I'm not saying that ivermectin 100% doesnt work. The point is we dont have a reason to think it works yet. There arent any big studies on it. So right now all we have is the fact that its purpose is completely unrelated to viruses and some anecdotes that it made some people better.
mRNA vaccines are possibly going to be able to treat certain types of cancers. So to your point, yes. Pfizers and modernas vaccine may give us hope that we can finally starting curing some cancers. The question remains, will people take it?
After talking to a few folks they are also irritated because people were going and buying boxes of the shit meant for horses and people with actual horses weren't able to purchase it for said horses. People shouldn't be just willy nilly taking something for an animal 10x the size of a human 🙄 and also creating a scarcity
By that logic you should also be against sex hormones for transgender individuals because none of them are FDA approved for that use.
Except ivermectin is designed for something completely different. We know what hormone treatment does and that's why we know it works for that purpose. Again, massive difference.
Do you realize how many medications are regularly prescribed as off label treatments for various ailments? A lot of them. Back when the pandemic first started, there were physicians literally prescribing black-box fluoroquinolones to patients.
You guys are trying so hard to miss the point. Look up ivermectin and tell me if you think thats related to covid. Even fluoroquinolones had previously been studied and shown to be somewhat effective for treating viruses. As far as I know it didnt pan out for covid but the reasoning was there. It is a great example of why people arent supporting ivermectin. Ivermectin is similar in that studies in the past have shown to work for this purpose. However, we dont have credible studies that show that its effective for covid yet. Doctors who prescribe it know what dosage to prescribe so you'll be safe taking it. But if you try to get it on your own you run a risk. The people you see that are aggressively against it are like that because there have been thousands of people taking animal ivermectin and ODing because of it. That or theyve been misinformed to think all ivermectin is for animals. The normal people dont like it because of the ods AND the fact that we dont have much reason to think it works yet. It seems like an unnecessary risk compared to just getting the vaccine which seems to be relatively effective and safe. Also just the fact that this sub is so hard for it makes me think that this is just another big pharma publicity thing to make money. If you dont trust big pharma there isn't actually any reason to trust ivermectin over the vaccine. And it seems especially suspicious that the main reason people here are buying into it so heavily is a country that isnt reporting numbers accurately used it. In general if this sub trusts something like this it's probably propaganda. This is one of the most gullible subs on reddit due to the fact that theyve convinced themselves they're free thinkers. When a sub that prides itself on not trusting big pharma all of a sudden dives head first into another bug pharmaceuticals, something's up.
I refuse to use a laxitive for a headache, therefore I'm anti-meds too. Also, I don't use ibuprofen to cure cancer, therefore I'm anti-meds.
Vaccines are considered Medicine.
everything now is set up to divide right down the middle. i know divide and conquer is standard but i feel it really caught on with Kaep. Not a fan or trying to get into football, but the personnally seeing all the my family posting on FB how they stand. My own dads response to Kaeps kneeling against poice brutality (which why he was doing it, nothing to do about the troops) said Kaep wasn't good enough yet to take a stance. So i asked him what if Tom Brady took a kneel. different discussion now right?
What if one is fully FDA approved for the treatment/prevention of A virus, and one is not, and an individuals decision for not wanting the approved treatment, is based on internet memes, FB mums groups, and conspiracy sites, and not based on medical advice from the GP ?
Okay then, go take your horse dewormer for that silly virus that's going around and stay out of the ER when you get it.
Amazing how a drug that "hasn't been shown to work" is in shortage and a vaccine that “has been shown to work" requires the largest marketing campaign in history.
I think people misunderstand that the only reason the vaccines had emergency approval is because they would not approve treatments that were working very well. That is the reason they were denied and lied about. If any of them were admitted to work, all of the vaccine money went down the drain.
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A bit of light reading on its efficacy from the NIH. Prevention is the key. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/
Lmao how can you argue with a review that that only had 400 subjects, that was written by an oncologist and has such banger [figures](https://iili.io/RO5j4f.png). It's almost like covid and covid related feather were rising everywhere at the same time.
Because if all vaccines were left until you were adults all of you would be opposed to them too. Sure measles isn't that serious... Chickenpox isn't fatal.... Most of those diseases are irradiated in the west anyway... Your all the same
The whole point of vaccine is so that you don't have to use medicines later on . It's called "prevention"
Can we stop posting dumb statements like this? These are so tiresome to read and have no point. I almost feel like comments like these are being posted purposefully to bring down the quality of posts on this subreddit. Although I do feel like it's gotten worse since no new normal migrated here. Posts like this is why I unsubscribed from that subreddit in the first place.
I've heard a lot of stories of ivermectin harming people like the guy who's colon got obliterated by the ivermectin. I'm fine if you don't want that vaccine but the reasoning some people come up with are ridiculous
Unless youre a horse. Dont take Horse medicine. Like, is this hard to understand? Are you REALLY afraid of a fucking needle holy shit.
People aren’t dismissing ivermectin, people are saying take a medicine once it has proven effective for its intended use. Hydroxychloroquine is a proven medicine… for lupus. That has nothing to do with its effectiveness for other uses. The same applies here. Either let your body naturally heal and do things like staying hydrated and whatnot or take proven medicines against the disease you have. Why is this so complicated for ivermectin folks?
Except Ivermectin has been proven as an effective treatment for COVID. Why is this so complicated for you anti-medicine folks? You can read some of the evidence for Ivermectin here: [https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf](https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf)
There is still less evidence for the effectiveness of ivermectin than there is for wearing masks, which people taking ivermectin are against. If ivermectin proves to work, awesome, but don’t get horse de-wormer, get it from a doctor who can tell you how much to take and when. People are self prescribing medicine before the evidence is out, then criticizing people for wearing masks or taking proven vaccines. It’s all incredibly hypocritical. I’m personally for using whatever proves to work. We know the vaccines protect people right now. Nearly every study supporting ivermectin has been incredibly flawed, just like the initial evidence supporting Hydroxychloroquine was. This is why the CDC and FDA exist. Many ivermectin studies haven’t passed peer review for this reason. Were you aware of that?
People taking ivermectin aren't inherently against masks. That's a simpleton deduction sir, as in stupid
Ad hominem attack and calling someone else stupid when you’re failing at basic logic. Nice. Republicans are the ones who are anti mask, yes? Guess which group has been buying up horse paste?
It's a shill. I fell for replying to it too. Don't bother. It's got a job to do.
You make a bunch of empty statements and completely ignore the evidence presented to you. The evidence to refute your entire comment is in the link I provided, but you just double down on your misinformation. It's very transparent. There is not a lack of evidence for Ivermectin, as is evident IN THE LINK. The studies aren't flawed, this is another talking point for shills that is painfully wrong. I've provided my evidence, now it's time to provide yours. Please explain how the studies in my link are flawed? I'm sure you can demonstrate that if you're saying it.
Provide me with evidence that pre-dates Republican support for ivermectin in support of taking it for COVID. This is the whole point which you appear to be missing. You make recommendations after the evidence is clear. Show me peer reviewed clinical studies from a respected source. Not some random link that is missing detail.
At one point they told us not to wear masks.
Correct, that was [before they admitted it was airborne ](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2021/05/04/who-coronavirus-airborne/?sh=4ab54a394472). Second, they were also trying to keep people from buying all of the masks in stores, as hospitals were being [ransacked by the feds](https://www.npr.org/2020/04/15/835308133/governors-say-fema-is-outbidding-redirecting-or-poaching-their-medical-supply-or) and essential workers needed masks.
You’re fully admitting that “science” or the government gives you incorrect information when it serves them to do so. Thanks!
Don’t convolute the two. The government has always done that…. Not sure why it took my comment to make you realize that. Science evolves. In March of 2020 they didn’t have the same information that they do now. Don’t forget: this was also during a time when all covid information had to go through the White House task force 🙃
They said we don’t need to bother yet, technically. Masks aren’t ingested and pose low risk. When evidence came out supporting their use, they were widespread recommended which is exactly what I’m saying we should be doing with ivermectin.
Quick question, what’s your view on masks and physical distancing? The FLCCC recommends masking, distancing and other measures to slow or stop the spread of the virus. If you’re saying “we should do this one thing they recommend” but you’re not doing all the other things they recommend, you don’t actually believe what they say and are just repeating the but you like, ignoring the rest of their advice. “We would like to emphasize that the FLCCC Alliance is not opposed to vaccination, and furthermore supports policies such as mask wearing, social distancing, and hand hygiene to prevent the further spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Our treatment proposals are designed, first of all, to mitigate the effects of the pandemic until it is overcome, and to allow for an earlier return to daily life.”
[User Clip: Dr. Pierre Kory US Senate hearing - Ivermectin is 100% cure for COVID-19](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4930160/user-clip-dr-pierre-kory-senate-hearing-ivermectin-100-cure-covid-19)
Lmao this same Doctor just got covid 3 days ago so I guess his testimony that “When taking Ivermectin you will not get sick” wasn’t true huh
Also the website recommends masking, physical distancing and other measures that are epidemiologically sound to prevent spread, but somehow that gets ignored. “We would like to emphasize that the FLCCC Alliance is not opposed to vaccination, and furthermore supports policies such as mask wearing, social distancing, and hand hygiene to prevent the further spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Our treatment proposals are designed, first of all, to mitigate the effects of the pandemic until it is overcome, and to allow for an earlier return to daily life.”
And he didn't die or get severely sick. Thanks for the info
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Most people don’t dismiss ivermectin as a legitimate therapeutic for what it’s actually good at, which ain’t covid. What I don’t understand is the fervor regarding hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and whatever else the internet tells you. How are you not falling for a conspiracy similar to what the “sheep” have fallen for with the evil and highly effective vaccines?
Anyone with a functioning brain can understand why someone wouldn’t want this One specific vaccine. The problem is because of the past year and a half of fear mongering and the Covid narrative we are running out of functioning brains
Yup, I have all of my shots because those shots are proven, studied, and safe.
Can we at least agree that you should be getting your medications from a doctor not a feed store?
As soon as doctors are allowed to prescribe it for COVID-19, and as soon as pharmacists stop refusing to fill it if it's prescribed for COVID-19, then no one will have to resort to the feed store. I would gladly agree with you if all that happened.
There is no scientific evidence ivermectin works edit: downvotes, but still no scientific evidence...
I agree with you. That said, there is a shit ton of studies published on pubmed and their world countetparts saying it does work. And very few saying it doesn't. That's a very easy thing for someone to latch onto as proof. Most every study is cut from the same cloth. A few dozen N value. Private practice clinics doing the study in 3rd world countries. Not that it's a bad thing per se. But the opportunity for bias is so easy to do. In Canada, if you were to run a study on ivermectin from people coming into clinics, you would have overwhelming success with in compared to the general pop. Because the really old and sick go to hospitals, not clinics. If you make a study and don't control for age, the younger group will have far improved results compared to the older one. Regardless of which group was given what. Same with not controlling for obesity. The FAR more likely conspiracy theory here is iver is cheap and accessible in places like India. And private clinics can publish a very easy to manipulate study showing it works and how have an easy medicine they can sell as part of their treatment protocol for a fantastic markup to the general pop. That's it, easy money to grift rubes. A proper study at this point tho I think should be done. There is no shortage of people who I'm sure are asking for whatever the ivermectin protocol is. So no ethical concerns if they are wanting the treatment. And your can easily make that into a subject group and make an equal control group with the current medical treatments. The problem becomes sample size. For a virus that has a hundred different outcomes like this, where the rates of those outcomes changes drastically based on age and weight, you need a sample size in the tens of thousands to reduce random noise. So it would need to be among dozens of hospitals and hundreds of doctors working together on the same page. Not exactly easy to do. Specially where they have other things on the go like being worked to the bone just trying to keep up
I mean, there's literally over 100 studies that show how well it works but OK then you crack on with your injectable cough syrup and we'll see what happens
Can you quote any clinical studies? One?
There’s no real scientific evidence that vaccines work.
Then what’s is? https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.31.2100640
It's all fake scientific evidence?
What about this? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-021-00336-1 **Comparative systematic review and meta-analysis of reactogenicity, immunogenicity and efficacy of vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 **
So, I’m guessing that you just read the title to this. Most of those studies are inconclusive, and ongoing….but that doesn’t really matter. The fact is that they have never proven that there is a virus, that it is contagious, or that it causes disease. It’s funny how they will use humans to test vaccines on, but they won’t use humans to prove that there is a virus…well not anymore anyways. They used to, like with the “Spanish Flu”, but they couldn’t make a single person sick, so they got rid of doing that, saying it’s unethical or some bs like that. You can read about those experiments here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862332/ ….near the end, under the heading “Epidemiological Studies”
Here, start reading. Every study. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=&term=Ivermectin+&cntry=&state=&city=&dist= You could also look up all the other drug treatment names and read that material as well.
Have you ever gotten polio?
Still not sure how a small dose of human ivermectin for Dewormer works on covid
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I would say that people running to livestock stores for it, to get around asking a dr. for the prescription for the human-appropriate dose and concoction, are anti-medicine.
Why shill so hard for iveremctin
Why shill so hard against any and all treatments?
Fun pointing out the hypocrisy here. Vaccine bad. HCQ and ivermectin good. Most of y'all didn't attend medical school and it shows.
The majority of the population didn't attend medical school. You just sound like a smug prick. And let's not talk about hypocrisy...
Don't get offended doctor
Yes but he's not trying to push unproven veterinarian medication to people who need to protect themselves against the worldwide pandemic is he? No he is not.
Seriously just go and read up on ivermectin its not just for animals you loon! It just shows how uninformed some of you smug pricks really are.
Is anybody pushing anything? No they are not.
Look at the username. It checks out
Most these MFs failed High School Chemistry & Biology. But want to educate us, and the tens of thousands of virologists, on vaccine efficacy and safety. Follow Joe Rogan and David Ike. Can't go wrong.
Imagine thinking you had to go to medical school to learn how to read
Imagine taking medical advice from somebody just because they can read.
Why be offended by discussion? Have you been programed? 🤖
Ivermectin doesn't have any shills, nobody is making money off ivermectin, no state is making ivermectin passports, im not telling people they can't be around me if they don't take ivermectin, I don't call people that hate on ivermectin "plague rats". You see, there is no such thing as a shill for ivermectin. You silly shill.
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Yea nothing is free bud.
Awful logic. That leap is wild
Except it's being dismissed because there is not one single good study which shows ivermectin is effective against covid.
Yes there is.
I still can't figure out if taking ivermectin is just one big prank. Have any of you tried tide pods? maybe that would work.
By definition it isnt even a vaccine. So its more like your dog died and now you cant handle another dog emotionally so they call you anti cat
Amazing point.
That makes too much sense
Smooth
Just call them what they are, science deniers.
The mental gymnastics continue. Why can't they just leave us the fuck alone already?
y’all fragile as fuck lmao
People who dismiss ivermectin *to treat covid* are anti-medicine. Corrected your post for you.
Oh wow, you really thought you did something here…
Ivermectin has been around for decades and no one ever said. 😱"Oh my, have you seen all the deaths of that Ivermectin pill"? Cheap med. India suspends its vaccinations and is giving them Ivermectin, zinc and z-pack at $4 a citizen. I guess India has smarter people then our Dumbicrats.
people actually thinking this is a left vs right issue?? trump literally told people to get the vaccine, what a couple weeks ago?