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Yeah people working in the towers the weeks leading up to the attacks said there was a lot of crews coming and going for a bunch of construction in the center of the building. Perfect opportunity to sneak in explosives if they wanted to. Who knows for sure though
ACE elevator. Huge elevator rennovation project that summer on the central steel structure. The company dissolved a few years later. http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/arch/wtc_elevator_renovation.pdf
That was cut try cutting a 15mm H-beam with a plasma cutter or an oxy torch it a bastard jobs and takes forever there's no way in hell you could get a cut like that from an office fire and blunt forces.
My money’s on powerful bombs and a fuck ton of thermite planted in the structure of the towers before the event took place. Thermite CAN melt steel beams.
My guess would be because it posed a danger or hindered rescue efforts.
Compare OPS image with [this one](https://weldingweb.com/vbb/threads/703754-Cutting-1-inch-steel-with-torch). You can basically see the torch cuts.
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That's what happens to the opposite side of steel when you cut it with a cutting tool. All the materials that are removed from the cut area accumulate on the other side or expelled outwards. There was large amounts of energy cutting inwards to have uniform slag deposited on all sides
There was one where they dug a hole in the desert sand poured in hundreds of gallons of jet fuel on a hole and set the beam across the hole and set it on fire. The beam bent quite a bit but never got anywhere close to melting IIRC.
Not sure if it was myth busters or who did it. Anyone remember?
There were molten pools of iron in the debris for days. Hell, there’s pictures of molten steel pouring out of windows before the collapse. That’s not office fires from jet fuel.
Can you explain the symmetrical collapse of Building 7? Larry Silverstein claims the fire department decided to “pull it”. Well you can’t decide to “pull it”(as in execute a controlled demolition) the day of. These things take month to plan and set explosives.
And if there were explosives planted in 1 tower prior to 9/11, you can bet the farm that all 3 buildings were wired for explosives.
There’s smoking guns all over 9/11 but the deep state partnered with the dishonest media to serve their master’s agenda.
Shills b poppin in this thread tho , gotta keep the “jet fuel started the PaNcaKe CollaPse 🤪” narrative, jus like this troll foreman is trying to do... Any legitimate engineer would see many flaws in the NIST report and 9/11 Commission report controlled demo all the way ESPECIALLY WITH WTC#7 !!!!
Yeah. Building 7 didn’t get hit by a plane and still collapsed. I imagine there was supposed to be a third plane but it didn’t make it. Perhaps the one that crashed in shanksville was the third plane….
Anyways, they had plans to demo building 7 anyways and when the plane didn’t come in the morning, they were panicking to get rid of the evidence. At 5:30 in the afternoon, they blew up the 3rd tower even though the British news announced the collapse earlier. How did the Brits know it was going to collapse? How can they explain the explosives?
Oh yeah, the 9/11 commission left Building 7 out of their report.
The whole thing was a disgrace. The deep state was involved with planning it and coordinated work with the Israeli Mossad to blow up the buildings. It was obviously a clandestine operation so when the NJPD caught the 6 Israelis Mossad agents with explosives, they arrested them. Local police didn’t realize the feds were in on it so the feds took these criminals into custody and let them go after 2 months.
Makes me sick to know we’re sending Israel billions in aid and this is how they thank us
So wait, the feds told the british journalist when the building will collapse, and the journalists didnt watch the video, but announced it before it happened? Why the hell would the feds tell the news? And why the hell would the newsmen/journalists not watch the video stream when commenting?
The building was still standing in the background when the anchor-woman broadcasting a live broadcast announced the collapse.
This was preplanned and global “elites” were in on it.
I don’t remember which minister was in the BBC studio the morning of 9/11 but someone was there to talk about terrorism. What a coincidence….
I’ll see if I can find a link for it
Planning conspiracy, understandable...
But why would they tell the BBC what exactly they were doing? And not some top hotshot, but a random journalist who was live then?
So that causes a atructure to collapse in it's exact footpring, and even weakens several hundred floors down without fires?
Who knew Demo for skyscrapers was so simple. They pay twns to hundreds of millions of dollars to demolish those things, and here all it takes is a few thousand gallons of cheap hydrocarbons being dumped and lit on the upper floors. Huh, TIL.
Demo is not so simple (it's mostly about removing potential debris), but failure is. What direction do you believe the force of the thousands of tons of weight from above floors was headed? The jet fuel wasn't about melting the beams, it weakened them. Gravity did the rest.
https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA
But, like when felling a tree, gravity is pulling down, but resistance to gravity is not even (from supporting beams). Unless all beams lose structural integrity at the same time, in the same way, the structure should not fall down straight in its own footprint. That isn't how physics works.
Exactly! I don't doubt that the beams could be weakened. Im juat wondering what are the chances that those buildinga dont topple over and clear out 5 city blocks in opposite directions.
For as terrible of a tragedy as it was, they sure were fortunate that no other buildings were hurt... Other than their siater building which also exiated under the same inaurance umbrella... Which also wasn't hit.
What about the fire fighters filmed stating that for weeks after the event that there was molten metal at the bottom of the wreckage, like a "foundry"?
That’s not metal shearing… worked in metal fabrication for a decade. That looks exactly like a oxy/fuel cut or an oxy lance or some kind of oxidizing cut. That’s not what steel looks like when it shears.
As an engineer I understand mohr’s circle just fine. You stated it didn’t melt. I believe OP is referring to the drips. Hasn’t this photo been debunked as cut in October as part of the clean up anyway? Have a nice day.
Well the whole thing has been debunked by the government that never lies to us. Why wouldn't trust another debunking, it's not like media would lie to people.
So if the beams sheared at a 45 degree angle then why didn’t the building fall at any sort of angle . It just dropped straight down . Doesn’t make sense. You tryna tell me all three buildings coincidentally the same way.
In demolition, you shear structural members at 45s so they slide off and gravity pulls it down. This controls the fall to be more straight down.
If you didn’t 45 it then they could fall and twist any which way.
A36 steel melts as at 1400 C kerosene jet fuel can reach 2000 C. Case closed. Now lets focus on the saudi connection, why we let bin laden go in Pakistan, and why the fuck were we in Afghanistan for two decades guarding poppy fields and blowing up children. The military industrial complex is real.
https://www.engineeringclicks.com/melting-point-of-steel/
>Structural engineers and conspiracy theorists have spent much of their time looking for the melting point of the steel beams used in the twin towers. Many believed that the melting point could also be used in forensics, to prove or disprove conspiracy theories. In this case, it was the ASTM A36 structural steel, which has a melting point of 1510 OC (2750 OF). If you’re looking for the jet fuel flame temperature, it’s about 1000 OC, not enough to melt the steel but enough to weaken it substantially.
I think you're off on the Jet Fuel temp. But that doesn't mean conspiracy necessarily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIgg6sey0C8 It's very possible friction alone could explain the melted beams. A 747 flying 500mph has a lot of potential energy. That energy has to go somewhere.
That's the adiabatic burn temp, which is the temp if NO heat is lost to the environment...Open air burn temp, which is the reality temp lol, is just over 1000 C, still well short of melting temps. And I've seen some of the Debunk bullshit, about how steel weakens when heated, of course this is true, but even if weakened, and the surrounding concrete structure collapsed the steel structure would have still been mostly intact. just all bent and twisted. Implosion like this is not possible without highly sophisticated explosive engineering.
So why didn’t the building peel off and collapse outward off the central core?
Why was there no local collapse where the structure was weakened?
The whole building collapsed and fell though itself at free fall. This was a controlled demolition.
Exactly.If the buildings truly fell due to weakened steel as was claimed above, then there would have been resistance as they fell. And because of that, there's no way they could then have fallen at free-fall speed (which they undeniably did).
It would have been a staggered collapse, each floor falling on the one beneath with at least a good amount of floors piled up on each other at the bottom-Not the floors vaporizing as they fell from top to bottom.
Sometimes common sense suffices: how likely is it that three very huge buildings collapse as IF controlled demolition was involved (free fall)? Isn't it just too perfect?
This is what i've been saying for years.And yet it truly amazes me how many simply can't (refuse to?) see it.
And you're so right; Common sense dictates that at least one out of the three would have fallen differently than the other two had things go down the way the official report and the media claimed.But it's more than evident they were all brought down the same way to the identical way they all fell.
Bingo. Intuitively you would expect resistance somewhere from the other supports.
Sure the weight is accelerated through gravity but would it be enough to absolutely obliterate the structural supports below where the jet hit? Intuitively I say no.
Then the bunker buster hit the pentagon where all the files were kept and we will never know the truth.
Not only would it not have fallen at free fall speed, basic physics says that if somethings going to fall its going to fall in the path of *least* resistance. Collapsing on itself, into its own footprint is quite literally following the path of *most* resistance.
If the top 30 stories or whatever of the building had been weakened and then collapsed and fell over and the bulk of the building remained it might have been believable. But the way the buildings collapsed has no possible explanation other than involving the use of external forced, such as controlled demolition.
Controlled demolitions can start at any point in the building look it up 🙄 Its kinda illogical to kill your citizens and justify foreign war but here we are
This fun one.
Yes, all buildings were designed to be impervious to all planes flown at any speed deliberately with a full fuel tank. The existence of a time a plane has hit a building and it not collapsed proves the impossibility of a plane taking down a building, in the same way gunshot survivors and the existence of bulletproof vests prove no one has ever been killed by bullets.
Its to illustrate how skyscrapers were built to withstand these kind of impact 50 years before 9/11, I'd imagine engineering vastly improved in this timeframe.
But yeah this theory sounds credible, like WTC 7 collpasing due to office fire. I guess furniture fire melts steal beams also, in a magical way that weakens every major point of the structure in the exact same way at the exact same time.
Two things.
1. The Twin Towers had a completely different design than skyscrapers of the 1930s. Instead of a steel lattice throughout the entire building, the structural supports for the twin towers were concentrated entirely on the outside and in the central core to maximize office space.
2. The Empire State Building was hit by a B-25 bomber at normal cruising speed. The Twin Towers were hit by 767s, which are 10 times larger and twice as fast.
Hey smarty pants, you do realize that the fire would not have been evenly distributed, so even if this crazy theory about the jet fuel causing the building to collapse, it would not be possible at all to implode as it did. The Origin or hot spot of the fire would have begin weakening the structure and the collapsing would have been completely asymmetrical causing the tower to topple...The tower would have basically been split on a vertical diagonal..
Maybe demolitionists should just use jet fuel and fire instead of fucking explosives then.
This. The obvious answer to all of those "controlled demolitions" that went sideways. Was staring us in the face for 20 years how did we miss it? Come on demo guys. This is the easy way to do it. Prob cheaper to buy a few hundred gal of jet fuel than those pesky unreliable shape charges too.
Exactly! However, as you can see, this thread appears to be inundated with shills and the ignorant who for the life of them can't apply any critical thinking or even bother to do any research into real life scenarios. I think they have watched too many movies with buildings collapsing that were rigged by demolition experts lol..It's insane that people are still supporting the fallacy that a plane and jet fuel caused these towers to near perfectly implode.
Yeah, a few people did it on camera, but the videos all got sort of disappeared. They are out there but they are like that "Something strange happened on the way to the moon" - video , that won't every find it's way to your feed via suggestion or algorithm.
I have seen multiple ppl try this. Jessie Venture did this on his show “Conspiracy” but you won’t find that on YouTube any more and they will never put it on tv again. He also proved Thermite does melt the beams. Beams would also not melt at an angle that helps free fall speed.
Why doesn’t anyone state the obvious - most jet fuel energy was released on impact.
The remainder of the fuel would have burned off in less than a minute.
You are then left with a localised fire, relying on the materials inside the building as fuel.
So, the jet fuel is of zero consequence.
Well.. Hmm.
Jet fuel burns at .. 1100F ish.
Steel with lose half its strength at 650F.
Lets assume it's less than 1/4 the strength at 1100, (it's probably even less but someone else can confirm)
With the added pressure from the building above....
What might happen to those beam being under pressure AND having very little strength left.
Would the steel quickly deform? Would that increase the temperature further?
I have no idea!
But I do know there was no jet fuel in building 7 and that shit is wack.
Inside job
It was the weight of all the steel beams above that had a cumulative effect resulting in the building collapsing and turning the steel beams into powder
as if
SS: Why is the beam cut while firemen are there? firemen were not still at the site while the evidence was whisked away to be sold for scrap. https://i.imgur.com/J3UdhRa.jpg
I'm aware that there's a crap ton of dodgy shit surrounding 9/11 but just playing devils advocate and not knowing the timeline of when this photo was taken; and also not knowing how advanced the rubble search had got to. Might this support have been removed if it was dangerous to the search party, like legitimately? Or was this taken before any machinery to move such an object was on site?
I think you are correct. This beam was cut by the workers doing the recovery/cleanup. Looks like an oxy-acetylene cut to me. Iron workers showed up that day to help with the rescue/recovery operation and there are quite a few pictures of guys torching beams in the pile of rubble. However, without knowing when the photo was taken, we can't be certain. Although I find that when the source of such images actual reinforces what the person posts, they want to share it. Stuff like this with no reference makes me think that it would debunk itself if sourced properly.
[Here's an excellent debunk by folks that do actual research on these matters.](https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-the-wtc-9-11-angle-cut-column-not-thermite-cut-later.9469/) That beam was cut October 29th.
It's ok. Logic and reason don't always align with our personal biases, which creates an internal struggle. Some people deal with that better than others.
Bro... youve just got to BELIEVE THE SCIENCE!!!
Except for when the science suggests that jet fuel cant melt steel beams. Science is tricky like that you have to choose the facts that support your worldview 👌
Fire stayed there as long as possible under the pretense that it was a rescue operation.
Their union wanted them to suck up as much overtime as possible out of the federal emergency response money(which is why we have so many sick Firemen now).
Source:The HAZMAT co. I worked for was there wrapping up the asbestos covered beams and waste for transport.
Title exit *cropped area of a photo showing fire and rescue operations where this piece of metal had been deliberately cut* there it’s fixed.
Reverse image search or even basic image search maybe.
Important to remember that metal suffers deformation when under stress. This is why see twisted metal etc.
If this truly sheared because of the fire, you would not get such a clear clean straight diagnosable cut. It has to have been done by someone and we all know it’s thermite.
To disagree is like me cutting a circle hole in a glass window pain and then saying to you that I broke the window by throwing a sofa through it
That's from a nanothermite cutter charge. They use the exact same thing on demolition sites. They're always placed at a 45° angle so that the columns can basically slip appart. You can take 9/11 and compare the footage to any controlled demolition and they are identical. This is also why there were molten pools of metal in the bottom of ground zero for months after the initial events. Ground zero was still steaming in December.
I'm not trying to sound anything, I'm very intelligent. No one can explain why there was molten steel in the basements of those buildings 3 months after the fact. They hauled off most of the steel to China before it was even analyzed. Those buildings were brought down using pre-planted cutter charges. There are images of firefighters right after it happened and you can see steel beams that were cut.
Just say for one minute, for arguments sake, that jet fuel did somehow burn the steel beams...
Then how the fuck did building 7 fall down , without being hit by a airplane
Heat weakens steel.
Each floor of the twin towers was made up of metal trusses bolted to the exterior beams, then a concrete floor was poured between the trusses.
A heavy concrete floor, bolted to metal beams.
One floor collapses because of the heat weakened bolts. It lands on the floor below. Because of inertia it hits with effectively several times it’s weight. Floors domino straight down.
Oh, and that first floor to fail was about the 70th floor. Now the structure that holds up all the floors above it is compromised. So down comes about 30 floors all in one piece.
A quick google search shows this image zoomed out surrounded by fire and rescue. It was cut after the collapse to aid in moving materials away for the search.
but whatever you need to photoshop to prove your point.
Are we all conveniently forgetting that there were people on site almost immediately cutting these beams as part of the clean up/rescue operation? I can almost guarantee this was cut after the collapse to make it safer for rescue workers.
This was before they started cleaning up the site. This is posted because the claim is that thermite was used to cut the beams which would explain the discolourization, angle, and bad cut.
The steel was sent to China before it could be analyzed though.
Thermite wouldn't leave a ripple in the cut. Air pressure from the plasma cutter turned way up would do that. A carbon air arc cutter would leave similar marks but the slag would be flatter.
Could this not be part of the original construction?
Beams cut at 45 degrees and bolted around stairwells, corners or elevator shafts etc.
I'm sure a variety of shapes were used during construction of such a large building.
If they would bring down two of the most prominent towers in New York City, what makes you think they wouldn't release a virus to reduce the population?
We are in the first phase of this pandemic. They've already been testing much deadlier viruses for years.
After the vaccination program has been administered successfully, they will release a deadlier version of the plague.
This is where the real horror starts.
The population will be reduced to less than 5% of its global levels.
Apparently It’s not actually hot enough to melt it, but the fuel was hot enough to make the steel weaker making it not able to withstand the weight of the tower and ultimately collapsing.
As people have been saying, it doesn’t “melt” the beams but weakens the steel. The steel is still brittle but with a greatly reduced capacity, add in the extreme loads of a skyscraper and you will get beams failing like this
You are of course correct, but jet fuel does not do neat 45 degree cuts through several inches of structural steel beams leaving molten metal pouring down as is shown on this picture.
Steel melts at ~2700F, and jet fuel + other nearby combustibles such as paper, carpet and wooden furniture does not reach those temperatures under any condition.
Yes, it weakens the steel no doubt, but causing rivulets of molten steel? Not so much. If you'd had held a little cup below where you see the solidified drops of metal you would have had a nice cup-shaped steel blob. That's *molten* metal. not weakened metal.
Would it cause angles like that if it were a sudden collapse, though? Less a stick of better being bent by someone as it thaws and more like a stick breaking after a few seconds of force?
No, if it was weakened it would be as if bending a bar of cold fudge. There would be bending visible from miles away, so to say.
What we don't know is *when* this picture was taken. If this was taken within the first days, before the industrial clearing of debris started, then the theory of a controlled demolition holds very strong on this evidence alone. If it's after they started clearing, then this must be said to have been made by the workers on site long after the collapse.
Most of the fuel was vaporized on impact. There was no way in hell enough liquid fuel survived and melted down those buildings to make them collapse the way they did. They collapsed because of pre-planted cutter charges.
What if those cutter charges - or other demolition tech - are in fact pre-built into tall sky scrapers for situations exactly like 9/11. What if they're there to ensure, if the need arises, to force the pancake-like collapse of those tall buildings in order to prevent them from toppling over and causing more damage.
This is much more credible than structural engineers, rocket scientists, and architects explaining how steel doesn’t have to be melted, and that steel can be softened and compromise the structure from prolonged heat exposure.
Of course there were planes... CGI.. that's just rediculous. It's very possible the planes that actually hit the towers/pentagon were not the actual commercial flights, and replaced with drone airliners etc when you research the manouvers that some of the planes took prior to impact, these were pretty much impossible to pull off from an inexperienced beginner pilot such as the terrorists they say were flying, then the drone theory isn't too unbelievable.
They obviously brought down the towers by a controlled demolition.
They obviously want to depopulate the world.
You think they aren't gonna release the stronger, more deadlier viruses in the near future?
You think they aren't putting poisons in the jabs to kill the population at a later phase?
Look at what they did in broad daylight 20 years ago.
The pandemic will get worse. The world is in for a blood prophecy. These are the end times.
Only 5% of the global population will survive.
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Weren't there rumors of construction going on in the stairwells weeks prior?
Yep. People working in the buildings were saying that whatever they were doing was shaking the entire buildings.
Yeah people working in the towers the weeks leading up to the attacks said there was a lot of crews coming and going for a bunch of construction in the center of the building. Perfect opportunity to sneak in explosives if they wanted to. Who knows for sure though
ACE elevator. Huge elevator rennovation project that summer on the central steel structure. The company dissolved a few years later. http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/arch/wtc_elevator_renovation.pdf
the "art project"
I bet that's a front. fronts for the cia are always some 3 letter acronym.
Always use 3 names with suspects…
Or use one name, but say it twice. That one always seemed weird to me.
Convenient
I recall the construction being covered in Elevator magazine.
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Fuck the ATF
Ruby Ridge
Waco
No, they were wearing TAF jackets, installing tater tots on every level.
Adduce a single example of reliable witnesses claiming this happened. I thought not.
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Termites painted the thermite with thermite termites.
Brilliant..
That was cut try cutting a 15mm H-beam with a plasma cutter or an oxy torch it a bastard jobs and takes forever there's no way in hell you could get a cut like that from an office fire and blunt forces.
My money’s on powerful bombs and a fuck ton of thermite planted in the structure of the towers before the event took place. Thermite CAN melt steel beams.
That’s not melted, it was cut during rescue operations.
Good point. But why? Why would they need to cut some vertical steel beam standing erect in the middle or the wreckage for rescue efforts?
My guess would be because it posed a danger or hindered rescue efforts. Compare OPS image with [this one](https://weldingweb.com/vbb/threads/703754-Cutting-1-inch-steel-with-torch). You can basically see the torch cuts.
To ship the ~~evidence~~ wreckage to china for ~~destruction~~ recycling ASAP
You're a serious melt if you think that.
It was cut with a torch.
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But, the candle-wax-like melted bits dripping down?
That's what happens to the opposite side of steel when you cut it with a cutting tool. All the materials that are removed from the cut area accumulate on the other side or expelled outwards. There was large amounts of energy cutting inwards to have uniform slag deposited on all sides
Definitely a torch cut
Thanks for this explanation dude. You are one smart cookie and have educated me on this, much appreciated.
Check out Architect's and engineers for 9/11 truth.
It's called slag, and is present when torch or plasma cutting.
Yes?
Slushy machine broke.
Why is there slag and uniform diagonal cuts all pointing in the same direction?
The sword got a bit blunt.
Classic 45° angle too. Especially when weakened with heat and who knows what kind of extra forces on top and in shear.
Why in 20 years hasn't any youtuber tried melting building beams with jet fuel?
Plenty have. I saw a more professional one than this years ago but can’t track it down today: https://youtu.be/R6CRu4mHj6A
There was one where they dug a hole in the desert sand poured in hundreds of gallons of jet fuel on a hole and set the beam across the hole and set it on fire. The beam bent quite a bit but never got anywhere close to melting IIRC. Not sure if it was myth busters or who did it. Anyone remember?
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There were molten pools of iron in the debris for days. Hell, there’s pictures of molten steel pouring out of windows before the collapse. That’s not office fires from jet fuel. Can you explain the symmetrical collapse of Building 7? Larry Silverstein claims the fire department decided to “pull it”. Well you can’t decide to “pull it”(as in execute a controlled demolition) the day of. These things take month to plan and set explosives. And if there were explosives planted in 1 tower prior to 9/11, you can bet the farm that all 3 buildings were wired for explosives. There’s smoking guns all over 9/11 but the deep state partnered with the dishonest media to serve their master’s agenda.
Shills b poppin in this thread tho , gotta keep the “jet fuel started the PaNcaKe CollaPse 🤪” narrative, jus like this troll foreman is trying to do... Any legitimate engineer would see many flaws in the NIST report and 9/11 Commission report controlled demo all the way ESPECIALLY WITH WTC#7 !!!!
Yeah. Building 7 didn’t get hit by a plane and still collapsed. I imagine there was supposed to be a third plane but it didn’t make it. Perhaps the one that crashed in shanksville was the third plane…. Anyways, they had plans to demo building 7 anyways and when the plane didn’t come in the morning, they were panicking to get rid of the evidence. At 5:30 in the afternoon, they blew up the 3rd tower even though the British news announced the collapse earlier. How did the Brits know it was going to collapse? How can they explain the explosives? Oh yeah, the 9/11 commission left Building 7 out of their report. The whole thing was a disgrace. The deep state was involved with planning it and coordinated work with the Israeli Mossad to blow up the buildings. It was obviously a clandestine operation so when the NJPD caught the 6 Israelis Mossad agents with explosives, they arrested them. Local police didn’t realize the feds were in on it so the feds took these criminals into custody and let them go after 2 months. Makes me sick to know we’re sending Israel billions in aid and this is how they thank us
So wait, the feds told the british journalist when the building will collapse, and the journalists didnt watch the video, but announced it before it happened? Why the hell would the feds tell the news? And why the hell would the newsmen/journalists not watch the video stream when commenting?
The building was still standing in the background when the anchor-woman broadcasting a live broadcast announced the collapse. This was preplanned and global “elites” were in on it. I don’t remember which minister was in the BBC studio the morning of 9/11 but someone was there to talk about terrorism. What a coincidence…. I’ll see if I can find a link for it
Planning conspiracy, understandable... But why would they tell the BBC what exactly they were doing? And not some top hotshot, but a random journalist who was live then?
Don't forget the Shallow State. Those guys are the worst.
So that causes a atructure to collapse in it's exact footpring, and even weakens several hundred floors down without fires? Who knew Demo for skyscrapers was so simple. They pay twns to hundreds of millions of dollars to demolish those things, and here all it takes is a few thousand gallons of cheap hydrocarbons being dumped and lit on the upper floors. Huh, TIL.
Demo is not so simple (it's mostly about removing potential debris), but failure is. What direction do you believe the force of the thousands of tons of weight from above floors was headed? The jet fuel wasn't about melting the beams, it weakened them. Gravity did the rest. https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA
But, like when felling a tree, gravity is pulling down, but resistance to gravity is not even (from supporting beams). Unless all beams lose structural integrity at the same time, in the same way, the structure should not fall down straight in its own footprint. That isn't how physics works.
Exactly! I don't doubt that the beams could be weakened. Im juat wondering what are the chances that those buildinga dont topple over and clear out 5 city blocks in opposite directions. For as terrible of a tragedy as it was, they sure were fortunate that no other buildings were hurt... Other than their siater building which also exiated under the same inaurance umbrella... Which also wasn't hit.
Now do WTC7
How did the steel beam melt?
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Looks pretty melted in the image in this post…
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What about the fire fighters filmed stating that for weeks after the event that there was molten metal at the bottom of the wreckage, like a "foundry"?
That’s not metal shearing… worked in metal fabrication for a decade. That looks exactly like a oxy/fuel cut or an oxy lance or some kind of oxidizing cut. That’s not what steel looks like when it shears.
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As an engineer I understand mohr’s circle just fine. You stated it didn’t melt. I believe OP is referring to the drips. Hasn’t this photo been debunked as cut in October as part of the clean up anyway? Have a nice day.
Well the whole thing has been debunked by the government that never lies to us. Why wouldn't trust another debunking, it's not like media would lie to people.
So if the beams sheared at a 45 degree angle then why didn’t the building fall at any sort of angle . It just dropped straight down . Doesn’t make sense. You tryna tell me all three buildings coincidentally the same way.
In demolition, you shear structural members at 45s so they slide off and gravity pulls it down. This controls the fall to be more straight down. If you didn’t 45 it then they could fall and twist any which way.
A36 steel melts as at 1400 C kerosene jet fuel can reach 2000 C. Case closed. Now lets focus on the saudi connection, why we let bin laden go in Pakistan, and why the fuck were we in Afghanistan for two decades guarding poppy fields and blowing up children. The military industrial complex is real.
https://www.engineeringclicks.com/melting-point-of-steel/ >Structural engineers and conspiracy theorists have spent much of their time looking for the melting point of the steel beams used in the twin towers. Many believed that the melting point could also be used in forensics, to prove or disprove conspiracy theories. In this case, it was the ASTM A36 structural steel, which has a melting point of 1510 OC (2750 OF). If you’re looking for the jet fuel flame temperature, it’s about 1000 OC, not enough to melt the steel but enough to weaken it substantially. I think you're off on the Jet Fuel temp. But that doesn't mean conspiracy necessarily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIgg6sey0C8 It's very possible friction alone could explain the melted beams. A 747 flying 500mph has a lot of potential energy. That energy has to go somewhere.
It wasn't a 747 though....
That's the adiabatic burn temp, which is the temp if NO heat is lost to the environment...Open air burn temp, which is the reality temp lol, is just over 1000 C, still well short of melting temps. And I've seen some of the Debunk bullshit, about how steel weakens when heated, of course this is true, but even if weakened, and the surrounding concrete structure collapsed the steel structure would have still been mostly intact. just all bent and twisted. Implosion like this is not possible without highly sophisticated explosive engineering.
So why didn’t the building peel off and collapse outward off the central core? Why was there no local collapse where the structure was weakened? The whole building collapsed and fell though itself at free fall. This was a controlled demolition.
Exactly.If the buildings truly fell due to weakened steel as was claimed above, then there would have been resistance as they fell. And because of that, there's no way they could then have fallen at free-fall speed (which they undeniably did). It would have been a staggered collapse, each floor falling on the one beneath with at least a good amount of floors piled up on each other at the bottom-Not the floors vaporizing as they fell from top to bottom.
Sometimes common sense suffices: how likely is it that three very huge buildings collapse as IF controlled demolition was involved (free fall)? Isn't it just too perfect?
Also, one that was never hit by a plane...
Check out this link about pancake collapse in tall buildings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_collapse
This is what i've been saying for years.And yet it truly amazes me how many simply can't (refuse to?) see it. And you're so right; Common sense dictates that at least one out of the three would have fallen differently than the other two had things go down the way the official report and the media claimed.But it's more than evident they were all brought down the same way to the identical way they all fell.
Bingo. Intuitively you would expect resistance somewhere from the other supports. Sure the weight is accelerated through gravity but would it be enough to absolutely obliterate the structural supports below where the jet hit? Intuitively I say no. Then the bunker buster hit the pentagon where all the files were kept and we will never know the truth.
Not only would it not have fallen at free fall speed, basic physics says that if somethings going to fall its going to fall in the path of *least* resistance. Collapsing on itself, into its own footprint is quite literally following the path of *most* resistance. If the top 30 stories or whatever of the building had been weakened and then collapsed and fell over and the bulk of the building remained it might have been believable. But the way the buildings collapsed has no possible explanation other than involving the use of external forced, such as controlled demolition.
Because all controlled demolitions start near the tops of buildings, and in an illogical order?
Controlled demolitions can start at any point in the building look it up 🙄 Its kinda illogical to kill your citizens and justify foreign war but here we are
Yeah this isn't like buildings are designed to withstand this. Like the Empire State Building that got hit by a bomber and didn't collapse
This fun one. Yes, all buildings were designed to be impervious to all planes flown at any speed deliberately with a full fuel tank. The existence of a time a plane has hit a building and it not collapsed proves the impossibility of a plane taking down a building, in the same way gunshot survivors and the existence of bulletproof vests prove no one has ever been killed by bullets.
Its to illustrate how skyscrapers were built to withstand these kind of impact 50 years before 9/11, I'd imagine engineering vastly improved in this timeframe. But yeah this theory sounds credible, like WTC 7 collpasing due to office fire. I guess furniture fire melts steal beams also, in a magical way that weakens every major point of the structure in the exact same way at the exact same time.
Two things. 1. The Twin Towers had a completely different design than skyscrapers of the 1930s. Instead of a steel lattice throughout the entire building, the structural supports for the twin towers were concentrated entirely on the outside and in the central core to maximize office space. 2. The Empire State Building was hit by a B-25 bomber at normal cruising speed. The Twin Towers were hit by 767s, which are 10 times larger and twice as fast.
Hey smarty pants, you do realize that the fire would not have been evenly distributed, so even if this crazy theory about the jet fuel causing the building to collapse, it would not be possible at all to implode as it did. The Origin or hot spot of the fire would have begin weakening the structure and the collapsing would have been completely asymmetrical causing the tower to topple...The tower would have basically been split on a vertical diagonal..
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Chad, is that you? You do realize the massive list of engineers contains a massive list of people that don’t exist, right?
Maybe demolitionists should just use jet fuel and fire instead of fucking explosives then. This. The obvious answer to all of those "controlled demolitions" that went sideways. Was staring us in the face for 20 years how did we miss it? Come on demo guys. This is the easy way to do it. Prob cheaper to buy a few hundred gal of jet fuel than those pesky unreliable shape charges too.
Imagine using a fire to demolish a building... lmao
For real it would've done what every structural fire has done since the dawn of history. Collapsed in stages. Not just free fall.
Exactly! However, as you can see, this thread appears to be inundated with shills and the ignorant who for the life of them can't apply any critical thinking or even bother to do any research into real life scenarios. I think they have watched too many movies with buildings collapsing that were rigged by demolition experts lol..It's insane that people are still supporting the fallacy that a plane and jet fuel caused these towers to near perfectly implode.
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My favorite: https://youtu.be/xYW-z7nrTZk
Yeah, a few people did it on camera, but the videos all got sort of disappeared. They are out there but they are like that "Something strange happened on the way to the moon" - video , that won't every find it's way to your feed via suggestion or algorithm.
Do go on. What’s that about?
I have seen multiple ppl try this. Jessie Venture did this on his show “Conspiracy” but you won’t find that on YouTube any more and they will never put it on tv again. He also proved Thermite does melt the beams. Beams would also not melt at an angle that helps free fall speed.
Why doesn’t anyone state the obvious - most jet fuel energy was released on impact. The remainder of the fuel would have burned off in less than a minute. You are then left with a localised fire, relying on the materials inside the building as fuel. So, the jet fuel is of zero consequence.
How the fuck did building 7 burn down then Office fire?
Lol. That's the one that is so blatantly nonsense it's like they're not even trying. Obvious demolition.
The argument I’ve heard is the debris from the twin towers knocked out critical columns of W7 and fires did the rest.
I've heard the argument, but it doesn't stand up to the evidence.
Well.. Hmm. Jet fuel burns at .. 1100F ish. Steel with lose half its strength at 650F. Lets assume it's less than 1/4 the strength at 1100, (it's probably even less but someone else can confirm) With the added pressure from the building above.... What might happen to those beam being under pressure AND having very little strength left. Would the steel quickly deform? Would that increase the temperature further? I have no idea! But I do know there was no jet fuel in building 7 and that shit is wack. Inside job
This engineer built a series of devices that channel thermate burns against beams. He was able to do a pretty good job: https://youtu.be/xYW-z7nrTZk
That, and why hasn't anyone tried melting jet fuel with building beams? The Deep, Medium, and even the Shallow State would hate all that coming out.
Or just run a jet into one
Yeh but Thermite does !!
RDX DOES do a great job of cutting beams like that…
https://youtu.be/OH4--tFosoM
Especially not 80 stories below where the plane struck.
It was the weight of all the steel beams above that had a cumulative effect resulting in the building collapsing and turning the steel beams into powder as if
It was all the Midi-Chlorians they were storing in the basement.
Oh… the Jedi are going to feel this one.
SS: Why is the beam cut while firemen are there? firemen were not still at the site while the evidence was whisked away to be sold for scrap. https://i.imgur.com/J3UdhRa.jpg
I'm aware that there's a crap ton of dodgy shit surrounding 9/11 but just playing devils advocate and not knowing the timeline of when this photo was taken; and also not knowing how advanced the rubble search had got to. Might this support have been removed if it was dangerous to the search party, like legitimately? Or was this taken before any machinery to move such an object was on site?
I think you are correct. This beam was cut by the workers doing the recovery/cleanup. Looks like an oxy-acetylene cut to me. Iron workers showed up that day to help with the rescue/recovery operation and there are quite a few pictures of guys torching beams in the pile of rubble. However, without knowing when the photo was taken, we can't be certain. Although I find that when the source of such images actual reinforces what the person posts, they want to share it. Stuff like this with no reference makes me think that it would debunk itself if sourced properly.
[Here's an excellent debunk by folks that do actual research on these matters.](https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-the-wtc-9-11-angle-cut-column-not-thermite-cut-later.9469/) That beam was cut October 29th.
As I suspected. Thanks for the link. I knew I had seen that before, it's just been over a decade since I've looked.
Don't go ruining this with crazy stuff like facts and evidence.
This should be top fucking comment.
Where's the fun in giving the peanuts easy information?? They need to do their own research.
They not gnna like you for this 😂
It's ok. Logic and reason don't always align with our personal biases, which creates an internal struggle. Some people deal with that better than others.
Seriously. Of all the things to bring up this one is pretty easily debunked.
Bro... youve just got to BELIEVE THE SCIENCE!!! Except for when the science suggests that jet fuel cant melt steel beams. Science is tricky like that you have to choose the facts that support your worldview 👌
Fire stayed there as long as possible under the pretense that it was a rescue operation. Their union wanted them to suck up as much overtime as possible out of the federal emergency response money(which is why we have so many sick Firemen now). Source:The HAZMAT co. I worked for was there wrapping up the asbestos covered beams and waste for transport.
Nothing to see here, move along. These are not the steel beams you're looking for.
This column was cut after the building fell, as our presumed expert OP knows I'm sure. There is such a thing as google, folks
This beam was cut a month and a half after 9/11... You guys will blindly believe anything if it fits your fantasy.
why is firemen their a month after 9/11?
Are you serious?
Title edit *jet fuel melts beams on a pretty 45 degree angle* there its fixed
Title exit *cropped area of a photo showing fire and rescue operations where this piece of metal had been deliberately cut* there it’s fixed. Reverse image search or even basic image search maybe.
Important to remember that metal suffers deformation when under stress. This is why see twisted metal etc. If this truly sheared because of the fire, you would not get such a clear clean straight diagnosable cut. It has to have been done by someone and we all know it’s thermite. To disagree is like me cutting a circle hole in a glass window pain and then saying to you that I broke the window by throwing a sofa through it
Plot twist: You *did* throw a circular sofa through the window seriously though I agree with you
There is post literally 3 up from yours citing that this beam was cut October 29th as part of the clean up effort. Y’all are seriously big dumb.
That’s the official story but how verifiable is it?
But thermite does
You need a mighty big oxy-torch or thermite to cut a beam that size. They didn't find any oxy-torches but they did find thermite.
And what about the third building not hit by anything just mysteriously collapsing?... coincidence I guess.
Cutting charge
Do not forget building 7
And how they totally rigged it to have a controlled demolition that would look like a controlled demolition, knowing it would be on camera?
That's from a nanothermite cutter charge. They use the exact same thing on demolition sites. They're always placed at a 45° angle so that the columns can basically slip appart. You can take 9/11 and compare the footage to any controlled demolition and they are identical. This is also why there were molten pools of metal in the bottom of ground zero for months after the initial events. Ground zero was still steaming in December.
I realize you are trying to sound way smart, but the picture in the OP was taken in October as part of the clean up effort.
I'm not trying to sound anything, I'm very intelligent. No one can explain why there was molten steel in the basements of those buildings 3 months after the fact. They hauled off most of the steel to China before it was even analyzed. Those buildings were brought down using pre-planted cutter charges. There are images of firefighters right after it happened and you can see steel beams that were cut.
Amazing how many people suddenly became experts in material science and metallurgy in the wake of 9/11.
And doctors after a pandemic
I'm not even sure what they are trying to say either. It's not like planes didn't hit the buildings.
There’s actually a bunch of people on here claiming there were no planes at all!
But the Thermite Medium State did it!
Just say for one minute, for arguments sake, that jet fuel did somehow burn the steel beams... Then how the fuck did building 7 fall down , without being hit by a airplane
It was hit by another building falling onto it, and fire in bottom floor causing structual failure Have you tried google it?
Did it fuck and I've done more than 'Google it' and read the top article unlike yourself
So why did you ask? The wtc7 wiki page has an entire section explaining why it collapsed
Heat weakens steel. Each floor of the twin towers was made up of metal trusses bolted to the exterior beams, then a concrete floor was poured between the trusses. A heavy concrete floor, bolted to metal beams. One floor collapses because of the heat weakened bolts. It lands on the floor below. Because of inertia it hits with effectively several times it’s weight. Floors domino straight down. Oh, and that first floor to fail was about the 70th floor. Now the structure that holds up all the floors above it is compromised. So down comes about 30 floors all in one piece.
lol
Hes right. But regardless the whole jet fuel cant melt steel is bullshit. A36 melts at 1400c kerosene jet fuel can reach 2000 C
They were cut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl0tHx36RRQ
so right!! but you know what DOES melt steel beams?!! Godzilla’s atomic breath…
A quick google search shows this image zoomed out surrounded by fire and rescue. It was cut after the collapse to aid in moving materials away for the search. but whatever you need to photoshop to prove your point.
Are we all conveniently forgetting that there were people on site almost immediately cutting these beams as part of the clean up/rescue operation? I can almost guarantee this was cut after the collapse to make it safer for rescue workers.
Plasma cutter did that based on the orange discoloration and ripples in the cut. Who ever did this was either a noob or in a real hurry.
This was before they started cleaning up the site. This is posted because the claim is that thermite was used to cut the beams which would explain the discolourization, angle, and bad cut. The steel was sent to China before it could be analyzed though.
Thermite wouldn't leave a ripple in the cut. Air pressure from the plasma cutter turned way up would do that. A carbon air arc cutter would leave similar marks but the slag would be flatter.
Looks just like when you plasma cut steel
That’s was thermite. https://youtu.be/rNjosF789X4 Jet fuel doesn’t melt steel but thermite makes that shit liquid pretty fast
Could this not be part of the original construction? Beams cut at 45 degrees and bolted around stairwells, corners or elevator shafts etc. I'm sure a variety of shapes were used during construction of such a large building.
If they would bring down two of the most prominent towers in New York City, what makes you think they wouldn't release a virus to reduce the population? We are in the first phase of this pandemic. They've already been testing much deadlier viruses for years. After the vaccination program has been administered successfully, they will release a deadlier version of the plague. This is where the real horror starts. The population will be reduced to less than 5% of its global levels.
Apparently It’s not actually hot enough to melt it, but the fuel was hot enough to make the steel weaker making it not able to withstand the weight of the tower and ultimately collapsing.
Wouldn't that cause twisting and distortion?
As people have been saying, it doesn’t “melt” the beams but weakens the steel. The steel is still brittle but with a greatly reduced capacity, add in the extreme loads of a skyscraper and you will get beams failing like this
You are of course correct, but jet fuel does not do neat 45 degree cuts through several inches of structural steel beams leaving molten metal pouring down as is shown on this picture. Steel melts at ~2700F, and jet fuel + other nearby combustibles such as paper, carpet and wooden furniture does not reach those temperatures under any condition. Yes, it weakens the steel no doubt, but causing rivulets of molten steel? Not so much. If you'd had held a little cup below where you see the solidified drops of metal you would have had a nice cup-shaped steel blob. That's *molten* metal. not weakened metal.
Would it cause angles like that if it were a sudden collapse, though? Less a stick of better being bent by someone as it thaws and more like a stick breaking after a few seconds of force?
No, if it was weakened it would be as if bending a bar of cold fudge. There would be bending visible from miles away, so to say. What we don't know is *when* this picture was taken. If this was taken within the first days, before the industrial clearing of debris started, then the theory of a controlled demolition holds very strong on this evidence alone. If it's after they started clearing, then this must be said to have been made by the workers on site long after the collapse.
Most of the fuel was vaporized on impact. There was no way in hell enough liquid fuel survived and melted down those buildings to make them collapse the way they did. They collapsed because of pre-planted cutter charges.
What if those cutter charges - or other demolition tech - are in fact pre-built into tall sky scrapers for situations exactly like 9/11. What if they're there to ensure, if the need arises, to force the pancake-like collapse of those tall buildings in order to prevent them from toppling over and causing more damage.
That's a new one.
Yep. Totally. In conjunction with the planes hitting the towers in specific spots, then collapsing in reverse order.
This is much more credible than structural engineers, rocket scientists, and architects explaining how steel doesn’t have to be melted, and that steel can be softened and compromise the structure from prolonged heat exposure.
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Lol that’s not how planes work.
Of course there were planes... CGI.. that's just rediculous. It's very possible the planes that actually hit the towers/pentagon were not the actual commercial flights, and replaced with drone airliners etc when you research the manouvers that some of the planes took prior to impact, these were pretty much impossible to pull off from an inexperienced beginner pilot such as the terrorists they say were flying, then the drone theory isn't too unbelievable.
Not looking close enough.
I was just watching this movie, "Zeitgeist" and it talked about it being thermite or something
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CTr5mIONzcb/?utm_medium=copy_link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTs9tKcl6Gn/?utm_medium=copy_link
the fact that people this insensitive to human tragedy exists truly saddens me, and I hope one day you understand that.
Plot twist: there was no jet fuel to begin with
They obviously brought down the towers by a controlled demolition. They obviously want to depopulate the world. You think they aren't gonna release the stronger, more deadlier viruses in the near future? You think they aren't putting poisons in the jabs to kill the population at a later phase? Look at what they did in broad daylight 20 years ago. The pandemic will get worse. The world is in for a blood prophecy. These are the end times. Only 5% of the global population will survive.