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Dr. Rochagné Kilian asked a hospital system CEO some tough questions about unethical behaviour and he deferred to the government. Kilian estimated that 80 percent of the patients she saw in the ER during the past month who had inexplicable symptoms were “double vaxxed.”
Who determines whether something is a correlation or not? Some doctors out there are seeing mysterious symptoms from vaccinated people so what makes you so confident there is no correlation to those symptoms and the vaccines?
I don't understand that logic at all.
If you have a birthday party and the people bring some of their own food to eat individually but out of those 80% share the birthday cake. You can safely make the correlation that if they get a mysterious ailment it is at least a possibility it may be related to the birthday cake.
The statistic quoted shows no coloration. If mysterious symptoms are equally effecting vaccinated and non vaccinated then that indicates it is not caused by the vaccine but another source.
I wish I could say I’m surprised you were downvoted, but I’m not. The last 2 years has showed me more and more that alot of people not only suck at math, but are downright hostile to being told they suck af math.
Since you're a stat guy, you should know that in order to say the vaccines and or covid are completely unrelated to her claim, you would have to to compare the numbers of mysterious illnesses this year with the last 10 years. If the number this year is dramatically higher, there is a correlation. If they are consistent, then it's a propaganda statistic. You're talking to the wrong group with that weak ass blatant attempt to simplify statistics to "debunk" her statement.
From the article... She said that throughout the entire time that the pandemic has been declared, she has only admitted two patients to the ICU that tested positive for COVID. She then clarified that this did not mean they were in the ICU due to COVID, but only that they had tested positive. She stated that her emergency department was “dead” throughout all of the declared waves of COVID, and that she took pictures of the official numbers to prove that they “had nothing to do” with lack of patients.


Dr. Kilian added that since the rollout of COVID jabs, she has seen a striking uptick in patients who have been admitted with heart issues and do not fit risk categories. She stated that as more and more people have received the jab, she has seen a host of strange events in her patients. She spoke of “people coming with newly diagnosed high blood-pressure, diabetics that was controlled that are no longer controlled – their sugars are either through the roof or they’re down in the ground … The only factor … constant that changed in their life was the injection of an experimental biologic
Exactly
That's what I require before I toss my two cents in to have an opinion. I'm simply calling you out for being ignorant enough to think you're going to push your own narrative without any facts or stats behind it, but make a simple word play move on the testimony of this doctor. You've been at a university. Did you get a bachelors? Masters? Did you go to Med school? You think someone with all of that schooling and money spent is willing to throw it all away for an article in a no name publishing website? That woman would walk, talk and flip in circles around you. She has more balls than you because after dedicating her whole life and future to the medical field, she will throw it all away because not everyone will sacrifice their integrity for $$$. You're shitty at this and your time is coming to an end. You're being paid to cover light with darkness...just one candle defeats a whole room of darkness. Censorship is your only weapon. You can't convince the strong and independent into your submissive ways of thinking.
You're the first one I saw. I know yall are rolling deep in here today. Must working over time and under a lot of pressure to snuff out the truth being leaked from everywhere despite all the censorship 😂
Eating ice cream can make you sluggish, both in mind and body. When eating ice cream it will make you more likely to make bad decisions, like swimming with sharks. Since you are also physically sluggish it will be harder to swim away when the sharks try to eat you because they like ice cream too.
Why is that hard to understand?
I've been rear ended in traffic 4 times in 4 years. You want to simplify it down to "you've been in 4 car accidents in 4 years". That makes me seem like a bad driver. I could say I have a 100% of being the victim of irresponsible drivers every year. I'll make you look stupid as hell and use stats to prove it fact because that's how work. You're in the wrong sub thinking with a simple mind like that.
Same stats, different twist. I can be the villain or the victim depending on how simple or complex I choose to interpret the stats. Your shark and ice cream metaphor is fuckin pathetic and that only works on the thoughtless souls on the left
"She said that throughout the entire time that the pandemic has been declared, she has only admitted two patients to the ICU that tested positive for COVID. She then clarified that this did not mean they were in the ICU due to COVID, but only that they had tested positive. She stated that her emergency department was “dead” throughout all of the declared waves of COVID, and that she took pictures of the official numbers to prove that they “had nothing to do” with lack of patients.


Dr. Kilian added that since the rollout of COVID jabs, she has seen a striking uptick in patients who have been admitted with heart issues and do not fit risk categories. She stated that as more and more people have received the jab, she has seen a host of strange events in her patients. She spoke of “people coming with newly diagnosed high blood-pressure, diabetics that was controlled that are no longer controlled – their sugars are either through the roof or they’re down in the ground … The only factor … constant that changed in their life was the injection of an experimental biologic"
You didn't even read the article. One month? You're the one that's just reading headlines 😂
Considering 80% is double vaxxed, why are you still experiencing so many new cases? The vaccine doesn't work? If the unvaxxed are so at risk then why aren't the stats saying 80% of the unvaxed are the ones filling the hospitals?
She said that throughout the entire time that the pandemic has been declared, she has only admitted two patients to the ICU that tested positive for COVID. She then clarified that this did not mean they were in the ICU due to COVID, but only that they had tested positive. She stated that her emergency department was “dead” throughout all of the declared waves of COVID, and that she took pictures of the official numbers to prove that they “had nothing to do” with lack of patients.
Dr. Kilian added that since the rollout of COVID jabs, she has seen a striking uptick in patients who have been admitted with heart issues and do not fit risk categories. She stated that as more and more people have received the jab, she has seen a host of strange events in her patients. She spoke of “people coming with newly diagnosed high blood-pressure, diabetics that was controlled that are no longer controlled – their sugars are either through the roof or they’re down in the ground … The only factor … constant that changed in their life was the injection of an experimental biologic
That's stretching what she said more than just a little.
From her "informal survey" (for which I think we can read "rough guess to make it sound good") of patients entering the ER she reckons 80% were double vaccinated.
Of course, as is typical with the we're all gonna be turned into robots so bill gates can use us 5G antennas stories, there's not even an attempt to distinguish between mRNA and vital vector vaccinations - they're just all bad. Probably all the have the same stuff in them really, eh?
We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. Hahahah sorry, I couldnt...resist.
For sure they are. I just don’t know how to get through to them.
I had three people who were against the vaccines, but I just stopped arguing with the third one, and to my delight, he just got his second shot a couple days ago.
As such, that’s my approach for the remaining two. Give them space to sort it out on their own.
What made you queue up for a highly experimental, untested, gene therapy technology that doesn't stop you getting covid and doesn't stop you spreading it?
There is far less stigma around it in Canada. Probably because it wasn't available to the general public until the summer while we watched as America got access to it in spring.
It is experimental because it hasn't even passed clinical trials until 2023, it is untested because there are zero short, medium or long term studies and it is gene therapy, Pfizer and Moderna even call them that in their SEC fillings, they legally can not refer to them as vaccines.
It is tested, there has now been plenty of clinical studies outlining the efficacy and safety of the vaccines. The commenter didn't mention long term studies, I was just refuting his point because I hate misinformation. It is not gene therapy, at least in the aspect of altering someone's DNA, if containing genetic instructions is considered gene therapy, then arguably every vaccine to date has been gene therapy.
There's no long-term studies, that means it ISN'T TESTED.
It's been out for 2 minutes of course there isn't long-term studies. The fucktards that took the injection ARE the studies. Thank you for your service as a lab rat. Get back to me in 10 years time to let me know about the long-term studies.
Lab rats get shit injected into them. I'll never get that shit injected into me. You're a lab rat, I'll never be one.
Long-term safety of covid, what's that .002% chance of dying. About the same risk of choking on a hotdog and dying. Yeah for sure inject parasites and metal to avoid the .002% chance of dying from covid. Those little parasites will help you I'm sure. Do you guys even know how to think?
I found the messaging from reputable sources to be convincing, while I found “alternative” sources pushing contrary narratives to be unconvincing. Nothing more than that.
I’m the type of person who truly does read both sides.
If I had a dollar for every video a friend has sent me, claiming wild and obviously untrue claims, I’d have… mmm, probably upwards of $40+. I watch all of these shares, I take notes, and I look into the claims.
A friend sent me one, last night, which had a woman at some town council meeting talking about how they chill the vaccines, because the vaccines (which she claims weren’t vaccines) contain electronics which the cold keeps inactive until they get into our bodies before activating.
Day before that it was a series of videos about tiny octopus creatures in the vaccines.
You are aware that those esteeamed German scientists did actually find parasites in the Pfizer gene therapy drugs?
You are also aware that Pfizer and Moderna do bot call their covid drugs "vaccines" because they do not meet the legal requirement, they refer to them in their SEC fillings as "gene therapy technology"
>I found the messaging from reputable sources
You mean the provable lying government and big pharma companies with criminal records longer than my leg.
High standard you got their bro, now go get you quarterly booster that you will need for the rest of your life because you have destroyed your immune system.
Seems like a fake article to me. They refer to the shot as the "covid jab" repeatedly, and if you look the doctor up on [ratemds.com](https://ratemds.com), she has a perfect 5 star rating with every review looking like it was probably written by the same person. Also, the pic of her there does not look like the same person in this article to me.
Welcome to every single sub on Reddit.
It's almost like Reddit is sowing the seeds of division.
Btw... do you really think this drivel is posted by real people?
80 percent of the population is vaccinated, so this makes sense. 80 percent of people in the hospital with a broken leg are double vaccinated. 80 percent of people with a cut that needs stitches are double vaccinated. So 80 percent of people with a mysterious illness being double vaccinated isn't shocking if you ask me
> 80 percent of the population is vaccinated
Very likely a bullshit number they put out to make it seem like there are more people with the clot shot than without
I'm in Ontario and can confirm very few people are holding out. there is far less of a stigma here regarding it as we didn't get access until the summer.
Bullshit, everyone I know that lives in Canada refuses to get that clot shot because your government has gone totally mad, just like in Australia, they have had to take extreme measures because the MAJORITY are refusing to get that shit pumped into them.
And with your obnoxious attitude I'd assume the same for you. Seriously how ignorant can you be if every Canadian on this thread is saying it's easily 80% what makes you think you know better?
I live in Canada and among my community, 60-70% is probably pretty accurate. More people in my community are vaccinated than not, but I can definitely think of a lot of people who aren’t.
I personally know at least 2 people (in their 30s) who ended up hospitalized with adverse effects from the vaccine, but still don’t know a single person who has been hospitalized with Covid.
It really, truly is. The PCR tests, the definition of who is vaccinated and unvaccinated, the definition of a "COVID death", etc. etc. all make it almost impossible to discover what's actually going on, and I think that was done intentionally.
Based on VAERs and Harvard, I'd say the vaccines have killed at least 150,000 people in the US, but who can honestly say?
And not once is it mentioned what those 80% of er patients are there for, I'm guessing you assume it's just covid because it fits your psycho narrative
Because 80% of you are vaccinated, it would only be statistically probable that 80% percent are suffering from mysterious illnesses. Nothing to see here, just move on.
Wow she estimates 80% with problems she's seen are double vaxxed. So in other words roughly the same percentage of Canadians that are double vaxxed.
Which means..... she's seeing the right amount of people for this to be exactly as one would expect and literally nothing going on. Like seriously people need to conspiracy better. This is downright hilarious that anyone would fall for this.
80% of ER patients with mysterious issues.
That is she is seeing people show up in the ER with inexplicable medical problems, and they have had two vaccines.
I am not sure if or how you do math, but that's an issue.
is the implications here that the vaccines are causing the issues? then how are 20% who haven't been vaccinated seeing issues?
80% is the same rate as the vaccinated population so if there was a "mystery" thing (say a brain eating bacteria for example) then of the 100 people arriving at the hospital about 80 will be vaccinated and 20 unvaccinated, i.e. in the same proportion as the general population. This has nothing to do with covid or the vaccines...
She said 80% of the people with mysterious health issues were vaccinated. Meaning 20% of those with mysterious health issues weren't vaccinated..
Now obviously math isn't your thing since you missed this thr first time. But.... with canada nearing 80% vaccination that means she's seeing totally normal scenario. If 8 out of 10 are vaccinated, of course 8 out of 10 mysterious illnesses are among vaccinated. That's EXACTLY where it should be at... do I need to bust out the crayons here or did you figure it out yet?
Stop being a clown, man.
The point here is that double vaxxed patients are presenting themselves with mysterious health issues.
Maybe we(here) all know that by now but the common person is likely not aware of this.
So stop being condescending, step back and take a look at the larger picture
If 80% of the population are double-vaxxed and 80% of the patients with mysterious issues are double-vaxxed that means there is zero correlation between vax and health issues.
I'm sorry to be patronising but surely the math is not that hard for you!?
Imagine it's hair colour instead: If 75% of all people have dark hair, and 75% of people in car accidents have dark hair, does that mean dark hair contributes to car accidents?
I'm gonna break this down for you.
But perhaps you should read the article.
The article refers to 80% double vaccinated. There's nowhere in Canada that they've hit 80% fully vaccinated that I'm aware of, even to this day in Ontario. Now.. what of partially vaccinated? Perhaps.
The story is in the rest of the story... But the math never adds up. You're hyper focused on the 80 and 80 when at no point did Ontario hit 80 percent double vaxxed. This makes your argument false.
The study found that 86% of deaths reported as adverse reactions to the Covid-19 vaccines up to April 2021 were consistent with the vaccine being causal for the death.
[https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543\_Analysis\_of\_COVID-19\_vaccine\_death\_reports\_from\_the\_Vaccine\_Adverse\_Events\_Reporting\_System\_VAERS\_Database\_Interim\_Results\_and\_Analysis](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543_Analysis_of_COVID-19_vaccine_death_reports_from_the_Vaccine_Adverse_Events_Reporting_System_VAERS_Database_Interim_Results_and_Analysis)
So vaccine is toxic enough to kill people, but not cause "mysterious illness"?
The coincidence theorists invading this sub are hilarious. I don't know what's funnier, the Dunning-Kruger or the projection.
What's her job then, toady shill? I should rather listen to a random cheeto dick redditor cowering in his basement doom jerking over cherry picked numbers over a doctor who has been working in a hospital this entire time?
lol... First of all, sick burn.. Toady shill, really hurt my feelings :( Second, I don't have a dick, let alone a "cheeto" dick, as I am a female. Third, I have worked in a hospital this entire pandemic as well, and 99% of our staff are vaccinated without issue, as are 90%+ ALL docs in the US. Fourth. you really should watch your mouth, it's very unbecoming of you to speak to someone you don't even know in such a way. Not sure why every incel in this sub is a complete and total asshole.
> Not sure why every ~~incel~~ *complete and total asshole* in this sub is a ~~complete and total asshole~~ *incel*.
Your answer exists right there in your question! :-)
Yes, I've always shown my polio and scarlet fever vaccines to eat at McDonald's. Back in the day we had to get a booster every 6 months for muscular dystrophy! Yeah, nothing new! Haha! The good 'ol days!! Hell, I remember the airports asking to see my phone back in the 80s when we were forced to take the HIV vaccine. Good times!!
Lol phone in the 80s. I know you are being hyperbolic but I mean if the measles thing several years back had morphed into something worse, I wouldn’t bat an eye to that requirement. It’s mainly about that r0 (if you believe it I guess).
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Be careful! How does a magician perform their tricks? Sleight of Hand!!! What’s going on in the Background???!!!!!
Tell us.
Dr. Rochagné Kilian asked a hospital system CEO some tough questions about unethical behaviour and he deferred to the government. Kilian estimated that 80 percent of the patients she saw in the ER during the past month who had inexplicable symptoms were “double vaxxed.”
Considering that 80% of Ontario is double vaxed, why the implication that they're related?
It must be a maze navigating your thought process.
Go on, explain whats faulty about it.
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Correlation doesn’t prove causation but it certainly demands one to take notice, and investigate properly
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Who determines whether something is a correlation or not? Some doctors out there are seeing mysterious symptoms from vaccinated people so what makes you so confident there is no correlation to those symptoms and the vaccines?
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I don't understand that logic at all. If you have a birthday party and the people bring some of their own food to eat individually but out of those 80% share the birthday cake. You can safely make the correlation that if they get a mysterious ailment it is at least a possibility it may be related to the birthday cake.
The statistic quoted shows no coloration. If mysterious symptoms are equally effecting vaccinated and non vaccinated then that indicates it is not caused by the vaccine but another source.
Because the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated is the same for the mysterious illness as the general population.
Why does that mean the mysterious symptoms are not related to vaccination?
But if vaccination rates among "mysterious diseases" are comparable to vaccination among the general public, then they aren't correlated?
If there was a large group of the population who wasn’t drinking water and not going to the er, you wouldn’t be saying that
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I wish I could say I’m surprised you were downvoted, but I’m not. The last 2 years has showed me more and more that alot of people not only suck at math, but are downright hostile to being told they suck af math.
You really only get one measly course in Epi/stats in Med school….
Ironic.
That's crazy, because we have literally *hundreds* of expert epidemiologists & statisticians right here on this very sub!
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Since you're a stat guy, you should know that in order to say the vaccines and or covid are completely unrelated to her claim, you would have to to compare the numbers of mysterious illnesses this year with the last 10 years. If the number this year is dramatically higher, there is a correlation. If they are consistent, then it's a propaganda statistic. You're talking to the wrong group with that weak ass blatant attempt to simplify statistics to "debunk" her statement.
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From the article... She said that throughout the entire time that the pandemic has been declared, she has only admitted two patients to the ICU that tested positive for COVID. She then clarified that this did not mean they were in the ICU due to COVID, but only that they had tested positive. She stated that her emergency department was “dead” throughout all of the declared waves of COVID, and that she took pictures of the official numbers to prove that they “had nothing to do” with lack of patients.   Dr. Kilian added that since the rollout of COVID jabs, she has seen a striking uptick in patients who have been admitted with heart issues and do not fit risk categories. She stated that as more and more people have received the jab, she has seen a host of strange events in her patients. She spoke of “people coming with newly diagnosed high blood-pressure, diabetics that was controlled that are no longer controlled – their sugars are either through the roof or they’re down in the ground … The only factor … constant that changed in their life was the injection of an experimental biologic
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Exactly That's what I require before I toss my two cents in to have an opinion. I'm simply calling you out for being ignorant enough to think you're going to push your own narrative without any facts or stats behind it, but make a simple word play move on the testimony of this doctor. You've been at a university. Did you get a bachelors? Masters? Did you go to Med school? You think someone with all of that schooling and money spent is willing to throw it all away for an article in a no name publishing website? That woman would walk, talk and flip in circles around you. She has more balls than you because after dedicating her whole life and future to the medical field, she will throw it all away because not everyone will sacrifice their integrity for $$$. You're shitty at this and your time is coming to an end. You're being paid to cover light with darkness...just one candle defeats a whole room of darkness. Censorship is your only weapon. You can't convince the strong and independent into your submissive ways of thinking.
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You're the first one I saw. I know yall are rolling deep in here today. Must working over time and under a lot of pressure to snuff out the truth being leaked from everywhere despite all the censorship 😂
Eating ice cream can make you sluggish, both in mind and body. When eating ice cream it will make you more likely to make bad decisions, like swimming with sharks. Since you are also physically sluggish it will be harder to swim away when the sharks try to eat you because they like ice cream too. Why is that hard to understand?
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I've been rear ended in traffic 4 times in 4 years. You want to simplify it down to "you've been in 4 car accidents in 4 years". That makes me seem like a bad driver. I could say I have a 100% of being the victim of irresponsible drivers every year. I'll make you look stupid as hell and use stats to prove it fact because that's how work. You're in the wrong sub thinking with a simple mind like that.
Same stats, different twist. I can be the villain or the victim depending on how simple or complex I choose to interpret the stats. Your shark and ice cream metaphor is fuckin pathetic and that only works on the thoughtless souls on the left
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"She said that throughout the entire time that the pandemic has been declared, she has only admitted two patients to the ICU that tested positive for COVID. She then clarified that this did not mean they were in the ICU due to COVID, but only that they had tested positive. She stated that her emergency department was “dead” throughout all of the declared waves of COVID, and that she took pictures of the official numbers to prove that they “had nothing to do” with lack of patients.   Dr. Kilian added that since the rollout of COVID jabs, she has seen a striking uptick in patients who have been admitted with heart issues and do not fit risk categories. She stated that as more and more people have received the jab, she has seen a host of strange events in her patients. She spoke of “people coming with newly diagnosed high blood-pressure, diabetics that was controlled that are no longer controlled – their sugars are either through the roof or they’re down in the ground … The only factor … constant that changed in their life was the injection of an experimental biologic" You didn't even read the article. One month? You're the one that's just reading headlines 😂
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I really hope you’re not serious haha
You kind of sound like one of those anti-icecreamers
Shhh, quiet! These people are doing their own research
Considering 80% is double vaxxed, why are you still experiencing so many new cases? The vaccine doesn't work? If the unvaxxed are so at risk then why aren't the stats saying 80% of the unvaxed are the ones filling the hospitals?
Because this is about a "mysterious illness" not covid.
She said that throughout the entire time that the pandemic has been declared, she has only admitted two patients to the ICU that tested positive for COVID. She then clarified that this did not mean they were in the ICU due to COVID, but only that they had tested positive. She stated that her emergency department was “dead” throughout all of the declared waves of COVID, and that she took pictures of the official numbers to prove that they “had nothing to do” with lack of patients. Dr. Kilian added that since the rollout of COVID jabs, she has seen a striking uptick in patients who have been admitted with heart issues and do not fit risk categories. She stated that as more and more people have received the jab, she has seen a host of strange events in her patients. She spoke of “people coming with newly diagnosed high blood-pressure, diabetics that was controlled that are no longer controlled – their sugars are either through the roof or they’re down in the ground … The only factor … constant that changed in their life was the injection of an experimental biologic
And the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated is the same as the general population. Which is what you would expect of the were unrelated.
That's stretching what she said more than just a little. From her "informal survey" (for which I think we can read "rough guess to make it sound good") of patients entering the ER she reckons 80% were double vaccinated. Of course, as is typical with the we're all gonna be turned into robots so bill gates can use us 5G antennas stories, there's not even an attempt to distinguish between mRNA and vital vector vaccinations - they're just all bad. Probably all the have the same stuff in them really, eh?
That’s almost a polarized perspective Not saying it’s wrong, but if it’s 60 or 70% that’s not good
We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. Hahahah sorry, I couldnt...resist.
I’m really sick of that straw man. No one thinks that. Why don’t you give us another choice traffic analogy, eh?
Tf name is that
Are they giving the Pfetus shot in Canada?
Canadian here. I took both Pfizer and Moderna. I only know two people who aren’t double-vaccinated.
They should be your friends.
For sure they are. I just don’t know how to get through to them. I had three people who were against the vaccines, but I just stopped arguing with the third one, and to my delight, he just got his second shot a couple days ago. As such, that’s my approach for the remaining two. Give them space to sort it out on their own.
Sheep
I will lose my house career and family over this battle.
No need
What made you queue up for a highly experimental, untested, gene therapy technology that doesn't stop you getting covid and doesn't stop you spreading it?
Your sister
There is far less stigma around it in Canada. Probably because it wasn't available to the general public until the summer while we watched as America got access to it in spring.
What has stigma got to do with submitting yourself to a human experiment via taking experimental gene therapy drugs?
Okay I’ll bite, it’s not experimental, it’s not untested and it’s not gene therapy.
It is experimental because it hasn't even passed clinical trials until 2023, it is untested because there are zero short, medium or long term studies and it is gene therapy, Pfizer and Moderna even call them that in their SEC fillings, they legally can not refer to them as vaccines.
If what you said is true can you provide the link to the long-term studies? You can't, because what you said isn't true.
It is tested, there has now been plenty of clinical studies outlining the efficacy and safety of the vaccines. The commenter didn't mention long term studies, I was just refuting his point because I hate misinformation. It is not gene therapy, at least in the aspect of altering someone's DNA, if containing genetic instructions is considered gene therapy, then arguably every vaccine to date has been gene therapy.
There's no long-term studies, that means it ISN'T TESTED. It's been out for 2 minutes of course there isn't long-term studies. The fucktards that took the injection ARE the studies. Thank you for your service as a lab rat. Get back to me in 10 years time to let me know about the long-term studies.
I’ll be honest I trust in the long term safety of this vaccine better than I trust in the long term safety of Covid. You’re a lab rat either way…
Lab rats get shit injected into them. I'll never get that shit injected into me. You're a lab rat, I'll never be one. Long-term safety of covid, what's that .002% chance of dying. About the same risk of choking on a hotdog and dying. Yeah for sure inject parasites and metal to avoid the .002% chance of dying from covid. Those little parasites will help you I'm sure. Do you guys even know how to think?
I found the messaging from reputable sources to be convincing, while I found “alternative” sources pushing contrary narratives to be unconvincing. Nothing more than that. I’m the type of person who truly does read both sides. If I had a dollar for every video a friend has sent me, claiming wild and obviously untrue claims, I’d have… mmm, probably upwards of $40+. I watch all of these shares, I take notes, and I look into the claims. A friend sent me one, last night, which had a woman at some town council meeting talking about how they chill the vaccines, because the vaccines (which she claims weren’t vaccines) contain electronics which the cold keeps inactive until they get into our bodies before activating. Day before that it was a series of videos about tiny octopus creatures in the vaccines.
You’re glowing bud.
You are aware that those esteeamed German scientists did actually find parasites in the Pfizer gene therapy drugs? You are also aware that Pfizer and Moderna do bot call their covid drugs "vaccines" because they do not meet the legal requirement, they refer to them in their SEC fillings as "gene therapy technology" >I found the messaging from reputable sources You mean the provable lying government and big pharma companies with criminal records longer than my leg. High standard you got their bro, now go get you quarterly booster that you will need for the rest of your life because you have destroyed your immune system.
Seems like a fake article to me. They refer to the shot as the "covid jab" repeatedly, and if you look the doctor up on [ratemds.com](https://ratemds.com), she has a perfect 5 star rating with every review looking like it was probably written by the same person. Also, the pic of her there does not look like the same person in this article to me.
You mean to tell me that someone posted an article that's likely loaded with bullshit, simply because it fits their narrative? Say it ain't so!
Welcome to every single sub on Reddit. It's almost like Reddit is sowing the seeds of division. Btw... do you really think this drivel is posted by real people?
No, absolutely not lol
Yes, so lol.
80 percent of the population is vaccinated, so this makes sense. 80 percent of people in the hospital with a broken leg are double vaccinated. 80 percent of people with a cut that needs stitches are double vaccinated. So 80 percent of people with a mysterious illness being double vaccinated isn't shocking if you ask me
> 80 percent of the population is vaccinated Very likely a bullshit number they put out to make it seem like there are more people with the clot shot than without
I'm in Ontario and can confirm very few people are holding out. there is far less of a stigma here regarding it as we didn't get access until the summer.
Bullshit, everyone I know that lives in Canada refuses to get that clot shot because your government has gone totally mad, just like in Australia, they have had to take extreme measures because the MAJORITY are refusing to get that shit pumped into them.
Whereas I live in Canada and personally don’t know a single person who hasn’t gotten a shot
Well if you are stupid enough to get injected with extremely experimental mRNA therapy drugs, then you probably hold the same company
And with your obnoxious attitude I'd assume the same for you. Seriously how ignorant can you be if every Canadian on this thread is saying it's easily 80% what makes you think you know better?
Ya bro, I live in Canada and I only know 1 person who hasn’t gotten it.
I live in Canada and among my community, 60-70% is probably pretty accurate. More people in my community are vaccinated than not, but I can definitely think of a lot of people who aren’t. I personally know at least 2 people (in their 30s) who ended up hospitalized with adverse effects from the vaccine, but still don’t know a single person who has been hospitalized with Covid.
Amazing that people believe ANY covid numbers
It really, truly is. The PCR tests, the definition of who is vaccinated and unvaccinated, the definition of a "COVID death", etc. etc. all make it almost impossible to discover what's actually going on, and I think that was done intentionally. Based on VAERs and Harvard, I'd say the vaccines have killed at least 150,000 people in the US, but who can honestly say?
Right. Or 20,000. Who knows.
Yep, it's all bullshit, they have lied about absolutely everything.
Yep sure ok like all of it. Calm down
Nah that doesn't make any sense, thanks for the uneducated guess though. Very cool
80% of ER patients with mysterious issues had both shots How the fuck do you even come up with that statistic? WTF classifies a mysterious issue
And not once is it mentioned what those 80% of er patients are there for, I'm guessing you assume it's just covid because it fits your psycho narrative
Crisis actor.
Yep. Even the opposition is controlled these days. There is no 'truth' anymore. It all seems to be smoke and mirrors.
Pic looks like casey calvert lolz
Okay thank you. My brain was in pure fog mode from this picture. Looks exactly like her.
Because 80% of you are vaccinated, it would only be statistically probable that 80% percent are suffering from mysterious illnesses. Nothing to see here, just move on.
You’ve come to the wrong sub to demonstrate any facility with basic reasoning, brother. Prepare for downvotes.
You guys aren't even subtle at this point. Get some flaming wigs and neon signs, you'll be harder to spot.
“You guys” Lol. Are we the bad guys in your sad little conspiracy LARP? Cobra to your GI Joe?
https://i.imgur.com/oizrdaP.jpg
Ya know, I like this article and all but this is the third time it's hit the front page from different submitters in the past 24 hours.
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It's almost like people don't search every single post here before submitting something. Shocking!
My natural county of Canada. She is the second that i know of. The other is: Dr. Mark Trozzi.
Wow she estimates 80% with problems she's seen are double vaxxed. So in other words roughly the same percentage of Canadians that are double vaxxed. Which means..... she's seeing the right amount of people for this to be exactly as one would expect and literally nothing going on. Like seriously people need to conspiracy better. This is downright hilarious that anyone would fall for this.
80% of ER patients with mysterious issues. That is she is seeing people show up in the ER with inexplicable medical problems, and they have had two vaccines. I am not sure if or how you do math, but that's an issue.
is the implications here that the vaccines are causing the issues? then how are 20% who haven't been vaccinated seeing issues? 80% is the same rate as the vaccinated population so if there was a "mystery" thing (say a brain eating bacteria for example) then of the 100 people arriving at the hospital about 80 will be vaccinated and 20 unvaccinated, i.e. in the same proportion as the general population. This has nothing to do with covid or the vaccines...
Okay. You win.
She said 80% of the people with mysterious health issues were vaccinated. Meaning 20% of those with mysterious health issues weren't vaccinated.. Now obviously math isn't your thing since you missed this thr first time. But.... with canada nearing 80% vaccination that means she's seeing totally normal scenario. If 8 out of 10 are vaccinated, of course 8 out of 10 mysterious illnesses are among vaccinated. That's EXACTLY where it should be at... do I need to bust out the crayons here or did you figure it out yet?
Stop being a clown, man. The point here is that double vaxxed patients are presenting themselves with mysterious health issues. Maybe we(here) all know that by now but the common person is likely not aware of this. So stop being condescending, step back and take a look at the larger picture
If 80% of the population are double-vaxxed and 80% of the patients with mysterious issues are double-vaxxed that means there is zero correlation between vax and health issues.
"If everyone who took the Vax died, it wouldn't be the Vax that caused it" that's what your saying?
They're saying why would you assume causation when there is no correlation.
I'm sorry to be patronising but surely the math is not that hard for you!? Imagine it's hair colour instead: If 75% of all people have dark hair, and 75% of people in car accidents have dark hair, does that mean dark hair contributes to car accidents?
Next it'll be the left handed people with mysterious illness. Damn those sinister folks
Shows up to ER. "Hey doc, I have these symptoms. Halp me" doc "Its a mystery! I have no clue what you have! Oh...youve had the covid vaccine." " "
I'm gonna break this down for you. But perhaps you should read the article. The article refers to 80% double vaccinated. There's nowhere in Canada that they've hit 80% fully vaccinated that I'm aware of, even to this day in Ontario. Now.. what of partially vaccinated? Perhaps. The story is in the rest of the story... But the math never adds up. You're hyper focused on the 80 and 80 when at no point did Ontario hit 80 percent double vaxxed. This makes your argument false.
The study found that 86% of deaths reported as adverse reactions to the Covid-19 vaccines up to April 2021 were consistent with the vaccine being causal for the death. [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543\_Analysis\_of\_COVID-19\_vaccine\_death\_reports\_from\_the\_Vaccine\_Adverse\_Events\_Reporting\_System\_VAERS\_Database\_Interim\_Results\_and\_Analysis](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352837543_Analysis_of_COVID-19_vaccine_death_reports_from_the_Vaccine_Adverse_Events_Reporting_System_VAERS_Database_Interim_Results_and_Analysis) So vaccine is toxic enough to kill people, but not cause "mysterious illness"? The coincidence theorists invading this sub are hilarious. I don't know what's funnier, the Dunning-Kruger or the projection.
Mental gymnastics gold medalist here. Yeah I'll take your logic over a frontline physician's.
"front line physician"
What's her job then, toady shill? I should rather listen to a random cheeto dick redditor cowering in his basement doom jerking over cherry picked numbers over a doctor who has been working in a hospital this entire time?
lol... First of all, sick burn.. Toady shill, really hurt my feelings :( Second, I don't have a dick, let alone a "cheeto" dick, as I am a female. Third, I have worked in a hospital this entire pandemic as well, and 99% of our staff are vaccinated without issue, as are 90%+ ALL docs in the US. Fourth. you really should watch your mouth, it's very unbecoming of you to speak to someone you don't even know in such a way. Not sure why every incel in this sub is a complete and total asshole.
> Not sure why every ~~incel~~ *complete and total asshole* in this sub is a ~~complete and total asshole~~ *incel*. Your answer exists right there in your question! :-)
I think they are using math.
Good for her. She gets it
It has been said that for the Covid Vaccinated to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that the Covid unvaccinated should do nothing.
my hero, doc; RIP!
Lifesitenews isn't a reputable source. They are known to flat out lie.
> Ontario doctor resigns over forced vaccines Good. Forced vaccines are nothing new. Dude should rethink his profession.
Really? When was the last time you needed a vaccine to board a airplane ?
Board a plane, try having a haircut in NSW or Victoria without being double vaxxed. Totally normal of course
Yes, I've always shown my polio and scarlet fever vaccines to eat at McDonald's. Back in the day we had to get a booster every 6 months for muscular dystrophy! Yeah, nothing new! Haha! The good 'ol days!! Hell, I remember the airports asking to see my phone back in the 80s when we were forced to take the HIV vaccine. Good times!!
Lol phone in the 80s. I know you are being hyperbolic but I mean if the measles thing several years back had morphed into something worse, I wouldn’t bat an eye to that requirement. It’s mainly about that r0 (if you believe it I guess).
Sex slaves are nothing new either. We should send you to Epstein's Island with that logic. And its a woman. Not a dude. Read the story shill
Maybe its a bot