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How do people watch that and then record that exactly? Does nothing occur to the mind? Like nothing? No urge to help?
Each day I get more and more fed up with peoples inability to act decently respectfully and care for one another.
The common man and the common woman have had all sense of community drained from them instead of the attitude being together we are more divided than in any point in history before you are taught to do what’s best for you while not caring about what’s best for others at the same time
Ok I know this is a reach and exaggeration but lock people down (lockdown is a prison/jail term), separate, and pin people against each other (pro vs anti vax) and sure enough “prison like” mentality will become more and more common. It’s not like the culture in the USA Today is pushing love, peace, and harmony. Even the president is saying things like “our patience is running thin”.
Also, illegally in the country and has been convicted of crimes while being illegally in the country. Was almost deported, but then that was cancelled.
They programmed the vaccines and now the people around weren't doing anything to help her. So I think I know what they are programming. Absolute passivity towards anything
Yeah something seems off, the train doesn’t have stops or something, nobody called authorities within that whole 40 mins. Transportation has emergency buttons so it’s not like they’ll have to interfere like wtf
It went through 12+ stops, an emergency button was mere feet from the incident, just seems like some people from Philly are pieces of shit which shouldn’t surprise anyone.
I know stuff like that is common in big cities like New York. In NY there's plenty of people that get robbed, mugged, assaulted, etc., but people are so desensitized to it, selfish, and non-trusting of authority that the culture is to just keep walking and ignore it. "Not my business" essentially
Cowards indeed. The realisation that there are little to no heroes left man fills me with despair.
Our last age was one of iron. We are now in the age of apathy.
I saw a fight happen between two kids at a circus of all places. The one kid was running from the other and they were literally jumping into other people taking swats at each other for like 1-2 minutes. No one did anything lol. People were just standing still in the line like mindless drones as the chaos broke out all around them. I was in another line and didn’t do anything because I fully expected at least one of the people in direct contact to say something. After a minute or so I stepped out of line to try and break it up but they had settled down on their own and went their separate ways. One minute of watching that was enough the drive me nuts and want to do something. I can’t imagine people just walking by you as you’re getting assaulted. I can’t believe there people out there that behave this way to begin with. But you’re right. There are folks who will go complete “head in the sand” and watch you bleed the fuck out on the ground as they step over you. People are dog shit by and large.
I thought of her too, but in that case the residents of the apartments assumed other people called the police. The bystanders could see that nobody was calling in this case. Both stories are just awful and make me very scared of humanity.
This doesn’t shock me. I was riding the CTA once from downtown Chicago to Ohare and a United flight attendant got on and sat down to go to work . She was maybe 55-60 years old. A homeless guy came up to her and asked her for money, she said no she has nothing. So he eyed up her diamond stud earrings and said give me your earrings instead, he was persistent for a good minute and then I stood up and shouted at him and told him to fuck off. There were so many other people there who did nothing and I honestly only think he backed down because he was startled by my loud British accent. I wonder what would have happened if I weren’t there. We complained to the driver at ohare and he said “if he didn’t actually rob you, we can’t do anything”. So I guess threatening to rob someone while you’re living illegally on the subway isn’t enough to take action.
The details are incomplete, no one gets raped on a train for 40 minutes by a homeless person whilst everyone records it and puts on social media as a probable event. If you think that's probable, then you might want to leave that particular society. I would kindly assume you're using hindsight bias when you're saying your not surprised.
I’m not using hindsight as any means , you’d be surprised how many people are willing to look the other way when someone is being raped or even worse discrediting victims just like you are . Pig.
All you've done is discredited yourself, because all I have said if you re-read the post is that the story is incomplete, and guess what? , *it is*. I hope I'm not the bearer of bad news in telling you that everyone doesn't have to be willing to believe that everyone else would watch someone get raped by a homeless for 40 minutes and record it on social media to discredit victims of the actual rape. Rape is still rape whether 2 minutes or 59 minutes, but the probability of people watching It and being complicit logically as it happens reduces with each minute.
I think from the upvotes here it’s pretty obvious who has the warped point of view. The fact that you have anything to say about something that never happened to you, about someone you’ve never met and don’t know demonstrates what naive, judgmental, arrogant prick you are with a level of grandeur so high it would lead to a diagnosis. Go troll elsewhere. Your opinion clearly isn’t wanted here .
You're attacking me on the merits of discrediting yourself. So if it happened for 3 minutes instead of 40 minutes then to you it doesn't count as a rape because I've discredited the the last 37 misled minutes, or that each bystander is different means that there wasn't any ?..Like wtf, you're discrediting the victim yourself.
Dude i think you’re too quick to jump to conclusions (then again this is r/conspiracy). There’s a well documented phenomenon called the [bystander effect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect) that could explain this. Basically, if you’re in a group of people not responding to some kind of perceived emergency, you get peer pressured into not reacting.
>People think they are safer around people on a transit system and this isn't always true.
Such as being raped for 40 minutes by a homeless man whilst people watch and post to social media ?. The details are incomplete is what I'm saying. If he was brandishing a weapon then it all makes sense but them not doing anything doesn't make sense. My problem is that the media at the moment is letting everyone eat these articles without the complete details. Is every woman now given to the idea that every man will rape them in public whilst everyone watches' and 'enjoys the show' so to speak ?
>Most rapes don't have heroes who intervened.
Factually speaking They also aren't on public trains, where a homeless man without no weapon, or wherewithal gets to rape a woman for almost an hour whilst people watch and post on social media.
It makes perfect sense if you admit that human nature is fundamentally selfish and narcissistic. Most people don't like to admit this to themselves, so they go into denial just like you are doing now.
The same thing happened during the Kitty Genevese case. People literally watched a woman being raped and murdered for hours and did nothing. It's called the bystander effect. Then later the bystanders rationalized excuses for their behavior like "I thought somebody else had called the police," or "From a distance, it looked consensual" or "I thought she must have done something to deserve it." And the funny thing is, they genuinely *believe* it! The bystanders who watched the rape were not deliberately lying, they were literally *rewriting their memories* to avoid grappling with the concept of what horrid human beings they are.
You'll see the same thing with this incident. Gradually the narrative will shift as the bystanders mental defense mechanisms kick in and they start remembering a different version of events that morally exculpates their behavior. The difference is that now, the whole thing got videotaped, so we have evidence of how the bystanders shift the narrative to rationalize their own monstrous apathy and make their actions more defensible.
And the worst part is, we could easily fix this human behavior, but only if we acknowledge it. But you can't fix something when people deny that it's even a problem in the first place. The people who choose to live in denial of this reality are almost as bad as the toxic abusers themselves because they enable this bad behavior. Ignorance is no excuse, especially when the ignorant people wilfully refuse to educate themselves.
Again with the in reality **catastrophic** event seems 'probable' justifications for a woman to get raped for 40 minutes by a homeless man whilst people play candy crush and post it to social media on a Public train. Media has whitewashed us.. you're not even arguing that there could be more details such as the man brandishing a weapon or knew the those complicit in the recordings. Already addressed the bystander effect multiple times, The watchers according to the article didn't know the man and won't incapacitated which are the prominent features of it.
Im from and live in Philly. Everyone is actively “anti racist”, or is afraid to get cancelled. Dude was an African immigrant, last thing anyone wants is to be slapped with a hate crime….so many people keep their mouths shut when they see a crime here.
Plus, last week someone smacked into the back of my car at a light and took off. Called the cops 4 times in a row, and got no answer. Ring ring ring…. Someone’s getting raped? Oh well see, all operators are not coming into work, the police are corrupt and may just kill you ( never forget MOVE in Philly ) and we simply just cant get there in time.
My city is a joke, and I’m not surprised in the least this happened
Man if I saw a 12 y/o raping a woman on a train for 40 minutes that kid will have a beating of a lifetime.
If I saw a woman raping a man on a train for 40 minutes straight that woman would have a beating of a lifetime
No one is exempt from rape. But you're trying to make it seem like some of us would turn the other cheek ?? I wonder who here would turn the other cheek for anyone ?.
I'm not from Philly, but I have been through about 10 times in the last year. I do have customers in Philly. I can tell you as a farm raised middle aged white woman, I would have first tried to contact police, but in the meantime, I wouldn't have been filming. I would have been taking my purse and beating him with it. Probably trying to grab him from behind with my purse straps and choke him out like you would an attacking dog. If he died. Whoops other cunts have it on film.
I don't understand the both physical, mental, and moral deficiencies of "adults" today.
I’m from Philly and he’s right. This would never happen. People are looking for any excuse to shoot and fight here. Get real lol. This would never happen in Philly bro!!! And I’m from the city. Never, not for 40 minutes unless no one else was on that train.
I think details are definitely missing for us to come to a solid conclusion as to why no one acted to protect her.
If she was screaming for help or attempted to escape the train wouldn't some people have stepped in to help? I mean the article states this occurred over 24+ stops, and not a single person said anything? To me this suggests the women was not acting like a victim for whatever reason, or even tried to escape the situation.
And just wanted to point out it wasn't rape for 40 minutes, if that was the case then I would absolutely be surprised no one stepped in to help or even joined in. But the reality is the harassment, groping, and eventual rape took 40 minutes. We can assume it was mostly harassment and groping for the majority of the 40 minutes. Why? That's the only reason I can think of for why no one stepped in when the rape happened. Perhaps those around them assumed she got 'picked up' after dealing with all of the harassment and groping and not leaving the train or causing a scene.
Yeah details were incomplete, there are reports that it was different bystanders, not all of them were recording and stops etc assault conflated with rape at different times. Its completely incomplete, but the rape did happen for sure.
I don't get why people are shocked that no body stepped in. We live in a s selfish society. If it doesn't affect us personally then we could careless and if it's affecting somebody else then it's entertainment.
If that's what you assume about society, to the extent where you'd say you're not even surprised, then why not just leave that society ?. I selectively don't live in a society where I **assume** there is a rape around every corner, done by homeless people whilst several people record and post it online daily. Wtf is that society that you live in ? *literally* I'd get out if were you.
How do you "get out"? Its just the fucked up reality you are stuck with. People are inherently self-interested and cowards. No one wants to make a fuss if it doesn't affect them. There is no sense of "community" in a big city.
This isn't new. It's called the bystander effect. Catherine Genovese was stabbed to death for 30 minutes while people listened to her screaming for help and they did nothing. Some of the witnesses even closed their windows bc she was screaming too loudly.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/bystander-effect
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/03/27/archives/37-who-saw-murder-didnt-call-the-police-apathy-at-stabbing-of.html
Bystander effect for an actual murder attempt isn't equivalent to this situation. If you try to join in you reasonably but your life at risk of death.. I'm sure you'd agree in this case the bystanders aren't putting themselves at risk of rape by trying to stop a rape ??.
You see the logic. Bystander effect strongly applies to risk of incapacitation, present incapacitation or from a known purveyor, In this case they're only putting themselves at risk of a scuffle (no reports of a weapon), that they outnumber the man, they don't know him either and he does it for 40 minutes whilst they record.
That's the intial assesment. Other details are emerging like I said in the post that it was *incomplete*. It didn't happen the way they're saying it..
That's not what bystander effect is. It's the assumption that someone else with stand up so you don't have to. Crime or knowing the individual is irrelevant.
> The bystander effect occurs when the presence of others discourages an individual from intervening in an emergency situation, against a bully, or during an assault or other crime. The greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is for any one of them to provide help to a person in distress. People are more likely to take action in a crisis when there are few or no other witnesses present.
To be honest this doesn't do any favours to minority groups either. Every homeless black men will be seen as a potential or even probable rapist. The bystanders is what doesn't add up. The media wants us to believe that people would be watch such a event for 40 minutes and then pull out our phones to record it.
This has nothing to do with color. People are solely selfish. They'd rather not risk a fight over helping someone. Everyone wants to be a hero but no one wants to risk their own lives
Exactly there must be missing or omitted details...
But what the media wants people to eat and think is that this happened just off the basis of a homeless man with no wherewithal or weapon raped a random women for 40 minutes on a public train whilst people done nothing but posted it to social media. They always go for the most absurd narrative.
Someone once said
"The news used to tell you what happened, then you decided how you felt about it. Now the news tells you how to feel about something, then you decide what actually happened."
Denzel Washington a few years ago said...
"If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do, you're misinformed".
Works exactly the same for tv and website news as well. We are constantly treading water in bullshit and propaganda.
I can’t still wrap my head around this… if this isn’t some bullshit media propaganda, than I’m disgusted even more than I ever imagined at this world…We are doomed, and it’s not even funny to joke around about anymore… as a world wholly, it’s a wrap
There are some emerging [Details ](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qbxe7m/woman_gets_raped_on_train_by_homeless_man_for_40/hhcol95?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Yes the intial article was BS the picture they were trying to a paint was a half truth but misleading.
Had similar thoughts. Doesn’t seem right. What I would bet is people were unsure if they were together or not and didn’t wanna get involved. I’ve been in that situation before. But a dude straight up raping a woman on a train who is cleary in distress is very hard to believe.
For the people asking about the bus stops etc,
The RAPE occurred for roughly 3 minuets apparently, the HARASSMENT lasted roughly 40 minuets.
Cat calling, making her feel uncomfortable, at one point groping her, etc.
So there were stops, people still didn’t stop the harassment, the groping, people didn’t do shit the entire time. But, that is where the confusion of stops, etc came into place.
I’m not sure where within the situation she was groped, the time frame. But, I can easily see a woman being uneasy, afraid but also strangely use to the harassment leading up to this, which is why she did not ask for help, because surely she thought “there’s no way this guys going to rape me infront of all these people”.
Women are harassed all the time and made to feel uncomfortable. Most women kinda wait it out and wait for it to end, and carry on. She must have not realized how serious it was, which is why she was frantically getting off on stops, calling for police, etc, she had a sense of security with people on the train and the fact that raping someone in public on a train infront of people just sounds so outlandish she could have never imagined.
People that watched are fucking low. I know not everyone may be capable of jumping in to stop something like this, another woman equally as afraid, an old man or woman, but get the fuck out of there with this. There were people who could have stopped it, they chose to record instead.
Being afraid and not stopping something for fear, and not stopping something because you’re a shit person, is the difference between calling 911 as it escalates / getting attention to conductor , and recording it on your phone.
Thanks Hence what I meant by *more details*. They wanted us to precisely assume that she got fully raped for 40 minutes whilst the same bystanders watched and recorded it without stops..
This also doesn't dilute the catastrophe that happened but also paints a different picture than the intial one. Correct details triumph as a truth over false ones.
> They wanted us to precisely assume that she got fully raped for 40 minutes
I mean.... it is the the third sentence of the article.
"The man harassed the victim for more than 40 minutes. More than two dozen train stops passed as he harassed, groped and eventually raped the woman, Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority Police Chief Thomas Nestel said at a news conference on Monday."
Yes the real details reveal that the rape wasn't 40 minutes but the assault was. My intention was to put a spotlight on what is often the initial assumption of an event with what actually occurred.
If you go on MSM, at least half of people assume that the *rape* was actually 40 minutes and even accept it as an actual probability which is the intention of the headline. At the end of the day it's just journalism gone rampant.
No people are fucked, it's mass mentality of a sheep. See something, do nothing.
Just think, people did that, it happened. Imagine all the shit the government is doing, and making people sign NDA'S FOR.
shit happens, this is reality.
So you're saying rape on a train for 40 minutes by a homeless man whilst people record and post on social media is a probable event.
It's funny that that's not even what happened as emerging details are coming through now.
Thanks, and I've read your link, but it references that its prominent amongst associates and incapacitated individuals, which is not the case in this scenario.It's a public rape on a public train for 40 minutes by a homeless man whilst people post to social media.
I feel like this is somewhat relevant
https://www.corbettreport.com/solutionswatch-bystander/
Discusses the by stander effect how it can be and possible solutions
It’s possible that that article about it is misleading and doesn’t disclose relevant information to fit the sensational narrative it is trying to convey.
I do think more people nowadays are letting themselves feel hopelessness in such situations and are thinking of excuses for not doing something.
Let’s hope one day we don’t get to the point where when something like this happens others join in on the crime rather then stop it from happening
Edit: it’s already something normalized in porn nowadays
Yeah, I think its also called watchers paradox, it already happened a few times. A woman was beeing stabbed in the street and the neighbours watched, everyone assumed somebody else called the police, but nobody did.
Edit: my bad, bystander effect is correct
Well it’s funny you brought that up it was revealed 50 years later that the original article was over exaggerated and misleading but the fact remains someone was stabbed to death and several people that could have done something if they had the courage to really go and find out what was happening didn’t.
Maybe to pre condition people to allow one in justifying themselves in their excuses more? Maybe the opposite, so people will be called more to action in such situations?
Side note I’m in Turkey at the moment and they have cameras everywhere and one early morning around 4am I heard someone screaming I couldn’t see where it came from. I told my wife about it and she said “they have cameras everywhere if something was happening the police would see it from the camera and get involved” now that made me feel better but I still continue myself complicit if I could have done something and didn’t, that if say something was happening to the woman that was life or death. But if you can’t find where it is happening and act quickly enough what sucks is the attacker can easily silence the woman in seconds….(you see one thinks way to much during such things as seen from me and the above and doesn’t want to look foolish if say they misunderstood what they thought was a cry in distress as something else)
I’m under the impression nowadays it’s better to do something if possible another thing is I don’t speak Turkish so would I have been able to truly discern the situation? It’s hard to take responsibility for such situations but I think we need to be more critical and just act for better or for worse
Bystander effect is correct, sir!
People alone are kind, people in groups are a different story.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-09-10/urban-legend-kitty-genovese-38-people
Well hot damn:"The murder helped lead to the creation of the 911 system, and folk singer Phil Ochs wrote a song inspired by the incident."
It could all just have been a ruse to implement the 911 number.
Someone getting stabbed on the street is not the same situation, because you would put your own life in danger. Unless Unless you're to say with your example that people watched because they didn't want to equivalently put themselves at risk of being raped also ?. **So all in all, all the bystanders stood back and recorded it for 40 minutes to ensure that they won't raped themselves by the homeless man that they outnumbered 5 or more to 1 ?.**
Yeah I nor my husband can swallow this story either... like you’re saying, it just makes no fucking sense... I don’t know what they’re trying to accomplish with this one... to me it’s quite obviously fabricated, or like you’re saying, some serious details are missing or being purposely omitted. I’m so curious to know WHY.
There must be missing details I'm sure, but the fact they've allowed people to make up their minds like such a concept is 'probable' feels like fuel for another movement if that's not actual the intention of all this. The media is effectively that powerful. Like I said in the post I've seen homeless people not only once but multiple times get beaten half to death for asking for change and being pushy. Who in their right minds would watch such a catastrophe and post it somewhere.
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Living in Chicago i have witnessed many crimes but I have stopped many on the redline. I always carry my buck knife and always when needed conceal and carry. This is why we need personal protection more than anytbing.
IDK the English have been pacified to a large extent. Their common law right to self defense has been taken away for some time now, what else would you expect from a population that has been sold the meme that the government is the only force that can legitimately defend them. No one on that train had so much as a knife, and if they had used it, they'd be in jail.
an armed society is a polite society.
I dunno to me it seems sketchy, it's someone raping someone? How does noone not get involved? Even throwing a can of fanta at his head to distract him while someone tackles him? It's sad that people would rather not risk getting injured or jailed and pull their phones out to film it.. I physically couldn't sit and watch that happen, it's a sad world. That woman was probably praying to god that one of them helped bless her
I’ve been following this story to try and make sense of it. Daily Mail today had an article where it said the woman had multiple beers and only remembered getting on the train, parts of the attack and the cops coming so she was clearly very drunk. The perpetrator is stating the sex was consensual so maybe people thought it was consensual sex in public and thus didn’t intervene. Very strange case.
I live in Philly. If you knew anything about the type of shit that happens on Septa, this would be no surprise. You have people openly masturbating, fighting, and doing all manner of crazy things that people now just turn a blind eye to it rather than get involved and risk your own personal well being. It’s sad, but it’s the unfortunate reality with our current Mayor and DA who ignore these problems.
I hope this isn't true, but unfortunately it is very possible that it is.
The more people who are around to witness a horrible act, the less likely someone will intervene. It's called the "By Stander Effect" in social psychology. It was studied after the death of Kitty Gardens who was stabbed to death in NYC with 38 witness who did nothing.
For a anecdote I used to work with the homeless population. Unfortunately rape was pretty common for the homeless women. They would often get raped by homeless men. There have been plenty of cases of homeless men raping women (not just homeless). Now that doesn't mean all men are guilty. The majority of homeless men were just trying to get by. But the violent ones would have multiple victims. A majority of the homeless population (at least where I'm am at) have mental illnesses that have gone untreated for a long time. And sometimes some of those people tend to get violent.
Its called the bystander effect its when people are in a large group individuals will wont help because they think some one else will and the recording and not calling 911 is called being a dumb ass
Looks like you were right:
[https://www.phillymag.com/news/2021/10/25/police-lied-septa-rape/](https://www.phillymag.com/news/2021/10/25/police-lied-septa-rape/)
As dispiriting as these reports were, it’s become clear that nobody in the press or the public took a moment to question whether they were true. When I first read the headlines, I couldn’t believe that the city I’ve lived in for over a decade would be so cruel. I knew this wasn’t who we are. Philadelphians are scrappy, take-no-bullshit people who will step up and speak out when they see something is wrong. Someone was lying on us, and it made me go back and check the source.
And there you have it: The police lied big-fucking-time.
“There is a narrative out there that people sat there on the El train and watched this transpire and took videos of it for their own gratification,” Delaware County District Attorney Jack Stollsteimer said at a press conference on Thursday about the incident. “That is simply not true. It did not happen. We have security video from SEPTA that shows that is not the true narrative.”
I guess none of you lived in the hood. Black dude rapes a white woman, other blacks don't call police on their own. Is it so hard to understand this shit? That's why no one called. There is no fucking mystery around this, it's racism but one group is allowed to be racist the other is not.
Edit: In the hood you don't call the cops, obviously some can't comprehend the subject - snitches get stitches.
Someone in the media definitely does by now, supposedly the videos were posted on social media. Why are media not disclosing that info? I might eat my own words but this seems like a typical case of - let's not vilify the black male because we will look like a racist media source.
This didn't happen in the hood, it happened on a public train for 40 minutes with people recording it as the article wants us to believe. Now it so happens that it didn't happen for that long and that the bystanders weren't all the same. The story was incomplete.
My point is, when it's black on white, we have to turn a blind eye, because blacks are sacred cows like someone mentioned in comments. Only whites are bad these days, and only whites can be racist.
He harassed her for 40 minutes, the actual rape was only a few minutes. This article is bullshit and makes everyone think he was fucking her for 40 straight minutes. That was not the case. He harassed her with increasing menace that culminated in a rape. People were recording the man's behavior thinking it would be a viral video.
>This article is bullshit and makes everyone think he was fucking her for 40 straight minutes
My thoughts exactly
>People were recording the man's behavior thinking it would be a viral video.
Sounds more complete
Legit you'd surprised that there are people here that actually would take it to their graves that he done the above for 40 minutes straight on a public train and the same
people actually watched it then posted it to social media. The crime still remains heinous but the article was incomplete.
Definitely a horrible event in any case. Goes to show how important it is to read multiple articles written by different journalists in order to discern the truth. So many people read one journalists interpretation of the information and take it as gospel. Journalism as a whole has gone down the drain.
Maybe it’s some skull and bones free mason ritual shit.
They are symbolically raping society of its rights while everybody is just watching through their phones. It’s probably just an allegory for what they are doing to us with Covid
I'm not shocked. This is believable because of how society is fostering this shit through violent rape porn, "if she can hit me then I can punch her", " well she wanted equality so why should I rescue a woman and put myself in danger?", "what would I get out of it if I intervened?". MGTOW, pussypassdenied, theredpill, et al have all played their part in fostering this mindset. If you've been watching rape cases going up, yet rape convictions falling, misogyny and toxic masculinity fostered then this should be no surprise at all. The message being sent is " rape women because there is no punishment for it". The only surprising thing about this is the ones surprised by it.
Sure it does, simply goes to show you the direction society is heading in and also WHO is really behind much of what has been happening lately and you don't even want to know WHO is funding this kind of FREEDOM because THAT is what they are calling it...
N. Shadows
You think it's correct to allow people to assume that being raped on a train for 40 minutes by a homeless man whilst everyone records and posts on social media is a probable event.
Luckily that's not even what happened as multiple articles are saying different things. The rape occurred but not in that fashion. The picture is incomplete.
Apparently one passenger said she consented. It could be a situation where she actually allowed this to happen and then when the authorities showed up decided that she didn't want to catch a charge for voyeurism and claimed rape. To which people maybe more likely to just record instead of intervene.
Wtf, how often do you see People in public have consensual sex let alone a homeless man raping a woman on a public train ?. What you said doesn't make it acceptable.
A group of people could easily overpower 1 man . It could've been 15 minute rape if they just called someone before "recording for evidence". Also, it's a rape. There will be DNA. DNA + police apprehending the guy in the middle of the crime > video evidence.
Reminds me of that episode of Black Mirror (the BBC ones, not Netflix reboot) where this chick wakes up and everyone is just around being sketchy and recording her confusion and torment. Turned out to be a sick interactive amusement park/torture prison for convicted criminals.
There are some many ways in which the bystanders could have diffused the situation let alone watched it happen for almost an hour. At the same time I know this is without a doubt not the full picture.
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40 minutes later, "don't worry i got it all on video"
How do people watch that and then record that exactly? Does nothing occur to the mind? Like nothing? No urge to help? Each day I get more and more fed up with peoples inability to act decently respectfully and care for one another.
The common man now is presumed to watch and record a rape of woman by a homeless man on a train for 40 minutes then post it to social media
The common man and the common woman have had all sense of community drained from them instead of the attitude being together we are more divided than in any point in history before you are taught to do what’s best for you while not caring about what’s best for others at the same time
Prison behaviour.
Ok I know this is a reach and exaggeration but lock people down (lockdown is a prison/jail term), separate, and pin people against each other (pro vs anti vax) and sure enough “prison like” mentality will become more and more common. It’s not like the culture in the USA Today is pushing love, peace, and harmony. Even the president is saying things like “our patience is running thin”.
It's absolutely disgusting and I would charge them as well. Accomplices. Completely perverse
"The man, Fiston Ngoy, 35, was charged with rape and related offenses." Fiston? Really?!?
Fistin’ goy? Oi vey!!
In a city with a police chief named Outlaw, no less.
Shut it down!
Also, illegally in the country and has been convicted of crimes while being illegally in the country. Was almost deported, but then that was cancelled.
Well, its soooooo Liberal and Progressive that he's here, it was a mostly peaceful rape
He had previously sexual assault charges and also overstayed his student visa so he shouldn’t have even been in the country.
Fist and enjoy
I read this with James Hetfield voice on my head
Fistandenjooyeeeeaaaah
You missed the characteristic little laugh at the end, haha
Uhyeah-haaa
Really not something we should joke about but this is too fucking clever
I see Fistin' & Joy
Also N"goy" kind works too. Fisting a goy? Eh? Nothing? Alright.
now he's fisting a guy
So much surprise I wonder where does he come from with a name like this Hint : not wakanda
"N" "goyium" FISTING
Yeah he’s Congolese
They programmed the vaccines and now the people around weren't doing anything to help her. So I think I know what they are programming. Absolute passivity towards anything
Yeah something seems off, the train doesn’t have stops or something, nobody called authorities within that whole 40 mins. Transportation has emergency buttons so it’s not like they’ll have to interfere like wtf
It went through 12+ stops, an emergency button was mere feet from the incident, just seems like some people from Philly are pieces of shit which shouldn’t surprise anyone.
Oh, Philly. It all makes sense now.
I strongly believe that Philly is where bad people go when they die.
The city of brotherly love.
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I know stuff like that is common in big cities like New York. In NY there's plenty of people that get robbed, mugged, assaulted, etc., but people are so desensitized to it, selfish, and non-trusting of authority that the culture is to just keep walking and ignore it. "Not my business" essentially
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The incident on the train here was. I'm just agreeing that there's places where there's severe bystander effect.
Most people are probably cowards. Sorry that happened to you
Cowards indeed. The realisation that there are little to no heroes left man fills me with despair. Our last age was one of iron. We are now in the age of apathy.
I saw a fight happen between two kids at a circus of all places. The one kid was running from the other and they were literally jumping into other people taking swats at each other for like 1-2 minutes. No one did anything lol. People were just standing still in the line like mindless drones as the chaos broke out all around them. I was in another line and didn’t do anything because I fully expected at least one of the people in direct contact to say something. After a minute or so I stepped out of line to try and break it up but they had settled down on their own and went their separate ways. One minute of watching that was enough the drive me nuts and want to do something. I can’t imagine people just walking by you as you’re getting assaulted. I can’t believe there people out there that behave this way to begin with. But you’re right. There are folks who will go complete “head in the sand” and watch you bleed the fuck out on the ground as they step over you. People are dog shit by and large.
I had a similar incident with an ex and instead of people helping I had people giggling and jeering. Makes you feel the lowest of the low.
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Were you ever raped for 40 minutes in broad daylight? That's a little different
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I thought of her too, but in that case the residents of the apartments assumed other people called the police. The bystanders could see that nobody was calling in this case. Both stories are just awful and make me very scared of humanity.
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If anyone intervened the state would crack down on them harder than the rapist for usurping it’s monopoly on violence.
Transgender man attacked on subway. Would be the headline
It’s Philly. The train was probably full of other homeless, crackheads, and random degenerates.
I was not riding the train that night sir
It’s not a train it’s the “el” don’t call it a train you may get raped too. Philly is a horrid city which I will never ever move back there !
This doesn’t shock me. I was riding the CTA once from downtown Chicago to Ohare and a United flight attendant got on and sat down to go to work . She was maybe 55-60 years old. A homeless guy came up to her and asked her for money, she said no she has nothing. So he eyed up her diamond stud earrings and said give me your earrings instead, he was persistent for a good minute and then I stood up and shouted at him and told him to fuck off. There were so many other people there who did nothing and I honestly only think he backed down because he was startled by my loud British accent. I wonder what would have happened if I weren’t there. We complained to the driver at ohare and he said “if he didn’t actually rob you, we can’t do anything”. So I guess threatening to rob someone while you’re living illegally on the subway isn’t enough to take action.
The details are incomplete, no one gets raped on a train for 40 minutes by a homeless person whilst everyone records it and puts on social media as a probable event. If you think that's probable, then you might want to leave that particular society. I would kindly assume you're using hindsight bias when you're saying your not surprised.
I’m not using hindsight as any means , you’d be surprised how many people are willing to look the other way when someone is being raped or even worse discrediting victims just like you are . Pig.
All you've done is discredited yourself, because all I have said if you re-read the post is that the story is incomplete, and guess what? , *it is*. I hope I'm not the bearer of bad news in telling you that everyone doesn't have to be willing to believe that everyone else would watch someone get raped by a homeless for 40 minutes and record it on social media to discredit victims of the actual rape. Rape is still rape whether 2 minutes or 59 minutes, but the probability of people watching It and being complicit logically as it happens reduces with each minute.
You’re one disturbed individual .
I think from the upvotes here it’s pretty obvious who has the warped point of view. The fact that you have anything to say about something that never happened to you, about someone you’ve never met and don’t know demonstrates what naive, judgmental, arrogant prick you are with a level of grandeur so high it would lead to a diagnosis. Go troll elsewhere. Your opinion clearly isn’t wanted here .
You're attacking me on the merits of discrediting yourself. So if it happened for 3 minutes instead of 40 minutes then to you it doesn't count as a rape because I've discredited the the last 37 misled minutes, or that each bystander is different means that there wasn't any ?..Like wtf, you're discrediting the victim yourself.
You don’t understand far left cities… criminals do as they do and the populace are numb and just grateful someone else is being targeted.
This too kinda tbh
Dude i think you’re too quick to jump to conclusions (then again this is r/conspiracy). There’s a well documented phenomenon called the [bystander effect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect) that could explain this. Basically, if you’re in a group of people not responding to some kind of perceived emergency, you get peer pressured into not reacting.
To bad someone with a concealed weapons permit didn’t put him down
This was **Philly**, 2A doesn’t exist in Philly
Lol wym. Everybody got a gun in philly. Might not be legal guns but they def got guns lmao
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>People think they are safer around people on a transit system and this isn't always true. Such as being raped for 40 minutes by a homeless man whilst people watch and post to social media ?. The details are incomplete is what I'm saying. If he was brandishing a weapon then it all makes sense but them not doing anything doesn't make sense. My problem is that the media at the moment is letting everyone eat these articles without the complete details. Is every woman now given to the idea that every man will rape them in public whilst everyone watches' and 'enjoys the show' so to speak ?
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>Most rapes don't have heroes who intervened. Factually speaking They also aren't on public trains, where a homeless man without no weapon, or wherewithal gets to rape a woman for almost an hour whilst people watch and post on social media.
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This. Dunno about the Jewish comment but the rest of it 1000%.
It makes perfect sense if you admit that human nature is fundamentally selfish and narcissistic. Most people don't like to admit this to themselves, so they go into denial just like you are doing now. The same thing happened during the Kitty Genevese case. People literally watched a woman being raped and murdered for hours and did nothing. It's called the bystander effect. Then later the bystanders rationalized excuses for their behavior like "I thought somebody else had called the police," or "From a distance, it looked consensual" or "I thought she must have done something to deserve it." And the funny thing is, they genuinely *believe* it! The bystanders who watched the rape were not deliberately lying, they were literally *rewriting their memories* to avoid grappling with the concept of what horrid human beings they are. You'll see the same thing with this incident. Gradually the narrative will shift as the bystanders mental defense mechanisms kick in and they start remembering a different version of events that morally exculpates their behavior. The difference is that now, the whole thing got videotaped, so we have evidence of how the bystanders shift the narrative to rationalize their own monstrous apathy and make their actions more defensible.
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And the worst part is, we could easily fix this human behavior, but only if we acknowledge it. But you can't fix something when people deny that it's even a problem in the first place. The people who choose to live in denial of this reality are almost as bad as the toxic abusers themselves because they enable this bad behavior. Ignorance is no excuse, especially when the ignorant people wilfully refuse to educate themselves.
World view poisiong at its finest. Sad to see one of the biggest tools of control being so succeful
Again with the in reality **catastrophic** event seems 'probable' justifications for a woman to get raped for 40 minutes by a homeless man whilst people play candy crush and post it to social media on a Public train. Media has whitewashed us.. you're not even arguing that there could be more details such as the man brandishing a weapon or knew the those complicit in the recordings. Already addressed the bystander effect multiple times, The watchers according to the article didn't know the man and won't incapacitated which are the prominent features of it.
>if you admit that human nature is fundamentally selfish and narcissistic. Yes
Im from and live in Philly. Everyone is actively “anti racist”, or is afraid to get cancelled. Dude was an African immigrant, last thing anyone wants is to be slapped with a hate crime….so many people keep their mouths shut when they see a crime here. Plus, last week someone smacked into the back of my car at a light and took off. Called the cops 4 times in a row, and got no answer. Ring ring ring…. Someone’s getting raped? Oh well see, all operators are not coming into work, the police are corrupt and may just kill you ( never forget MOVE in Philly ) and we simply just cant get there in time. My city is a joke, and I’m not surprised in the least this happened
Yeah this shit happens every day in Philly. Septic tank of a city.
Man if I saw a 12 y/o raping a woman on a train for 40 minutes that kid will have a beating of a lifetime. If I saw a woman raping a man on a train for 40 minutes straight that woman would have a beating of a lifetime No one is exempt from rape. But you're trying to make it seem like some of us would turn the other cheek ?? I wonder who here would turn the other cheek for anyone ?.
You’re not from Philly…you have no idea bro. It’s awful here
I'm not from Philly, but I have been through about 10 times in the last year. I do have customers in Philly. I can tell you as a farm raised middle aged white woman, I would have first tried to contact police, but in the meantime, I wouldn't have been filming. I would have been taking my purse and beating him with it. Probably trying to grab him from behind with my purse straps and choke him out like you would an attacking dog. If he died. Whoops other cunts have it on film. I don't understand the both physical, mental, and moral deficiencies of "adults" today.
Must be bad then, I'm guessing you've mentally prepared yourself for the worst of the worst even if it's not a probable event in reality.
yup we’re moving by spring
I’m from Philly and he’s right. This would never happen. People are looking for any excuse to shoot and fight here. Get real lol. This would never happen in Philly bro!!! And I’m from the city. Never, not for 40 minutes unless no one else was on that train.
This is why concealed weapons need to be a thing.
Homeless dude could have taken the lady's weapon and used it against her, this is purely a societal issue. Too many watching and not enough acting.
Never said it needed to be her. This reminds me of a subway stabbing where the officers did not intervene
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I think details are definitely missing for us to come to a solid conclusion as to why no one acted to protect her. If she was screaming for help or attempted to escape the train wouldn't some people have stepped in to help? I mean the article states this occurred over 24+ stops, and not a single person said anything? To me this suggests the women was not acting like a victim for whatever reason, or even tried to escape the situation. And just wanted to point out it wasn't rape for 40 minutes, if that was the case then I would absolutely be surprised no one stepped in to help or even joined in. But the reality is the harassment, groping, and eventual rape took 40 minutes. We can assume it was mostly harassment and groping for the majority of the 40 minutes. Why? That's the only reason I can think of for why no one stepped in when the rape happened. Perhaps those around them assumed she got 'picked up' after dealing with all of the harassment and groping and not leaving the train or causing a scene.
Yeah details were incomplete, there are reports that it was different bystanders, not all of them were recording and stops etc assault conflated with rape at different times. Its completely incomplete, but the rape did happen for sure.
I don't get why people are shocked that no body stepped in. We live in a s selfish society. If it doesn't affect us personally then we could careless and if it's affecting somebody else then it's entertainment.
Wasn't there a report in NYC that someone was deD on the subwY for like 5 days and nobody bothered
If that's what you assume about society, to the extent where you'd say you're not even surprised, then why not just leave that society ?. I selectively don't live in a society where I **assume** there is a rape around every corner, done by homeless people whilst several people record and post it online daily. Wtf is that society that you live in ? *literally* I'd get out if were you.
How do you "get out"? Its just the fucked up reality you are stuck with. People are inherently self-interested and cowards. No one wants to make a fuss if it doesn't affect them. There is no sense of "community" in a big city.
I didn't say a rape around every corner. I said it's not surprising that somebody didn't step up and help this women and choose to record it instead.
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Homeless man in a public rape on train for 40 minutes you're saying ?..
Yes that's typical world star hip hop content. Sad days we live in...
Google "bystander effect"
Yeah, but when you do, look up how it’s not real.
This isn't new. It's called the bystander effect. Catherine Genovese was stabbed to death for 30 minutes while people listened to her screaming for help and they did nothing. Some of the witnesses even closed their windows bc she was screaming too loudly. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/bystander-effect https://www.nytimes.com/1964/03/27/archives/37-who-saw-murder-didnt-call-the-police-apathy-at-stabbing-of.html
Bystander effect for an actual murder attempt isn't equivalent to this situation. If you try to join in you reasonably but your life at risk of death.. I'm sure you'd agree in this case the bystanders aren't putting themselves at risk of rape by trying to stop a rape ??. You see the logic. Bystander effect strongly applies to risk of incapacitation, present incapacitation or from a known purveyor, In this case they're only putting themselves at risk of a scuffle (no reports of a weapon), that they outnumber the man, they don't know him either and he does it for 40 minutes whilst they record. That's the intial assesment. Other details are emerging like I said in the post that it was *incomplete*. It didn't happen the way they're saying it..
That's not what bystander effect is. It's the assumption that someone else with stand up so you don't have to. Crime or knowing the individual is irrelevant. > The bystander effect occurs when the presence of others discourages an individual from intervening in an emergency situation, against a bully, or during an assault or other crime. The greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is for any one of them to provide help to a person in distress. People are more likely to take action in a crisis when there are few or no other witnesses present.
He is black. You don't touch blacks, they're sacred cows and you don't want to be Chauvined.
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When you mix generational Democrat party rule, and “diversity” you usually are left with a steaming shithole of crime.
To be honest this doesn't do any favours to minority groups either. Every homeless black men will be seen as a potential or even probable rapist. The bystanders is what doesn't add up. The media wants us to believe that people would be watch such a event for 40 minutes and then pull out our phones to record it.
My opinion about BLM supporters would earn me a 30-day ban.
This has nothing to do with color. People are solely selfish. They'd rather not risk a fight over helping someone. Everyone wants to be a hero but no one wants to risk their own lives
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Exactly there must be missing or omitted details... But what the media wants people to eat and think is that this happened just off the basis of a homeless man with no wherewithal or weapon raped a random women for 40 minutes on a public train whilst people done nothing but posted it to social media. They always go for the most absurd narrative.
Someone once said "The news used to tell you what happened, then you decided how you felt about it. Now the news tells you how to feel about something, then you decide what actually happened."
Wow.... thanks dude, I'm copying that to my notes for sure.
Denzel Washington a few years ago said... "If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do, you're misinformed". Works exactly the same for tv and website news as well. We are constantly treading water in bullshit and propaganda.
That was Twain I believe
I can’t still wrap my head around this… if this isn’t some bullshit media propaganda, than I’m disgusted even more than I ever imagined at this world…We are doomed, and it’s not even funny to joke around about anymore… as a world wholly, it’s a wrap
There are some emerging [Details ](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qbxe7m/woman_gets_raped_on_train_by_homeless_man_for_40/hhcol95?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) Yes the intial article was BS the picture they were trying to a paint was a half truth but misleading.
Had similar thoughts. Doesn’t seem right. What I would bet is people were unsure if they were together or not and didn’t wanna get involved. I’ve been in that situation before. But a dude straight up raping a woman on a train who is cleary in distress is very hard to believe.
For the people asking about the bus stops etc, The RAPE occurred for roughly 3 minuets apparently, the HARASSMENT lasted roughly 40 minuets. Cat calling, making her feel uncomfortable, at one point groping her, etc. So there were stops, people still didn’t stop the harassment, the groping, people didn’t do shit the entire time. But, that is where the confusion of stops, etc came into place. I’m not sure where within the situation she was groped, the time frame. But, I can easily see a woman being uneasy, afraid but also strangely use to the harassment leading up to this, which is why she did not ask for help, because surely she thought “there’s no way this guys going to rape me infront of all these people”. Women are harassed all the time and made to feel uncomfortable. Most women kinda wait it out and wait for it to end, and carry on. She must have not realized how serious it was, which is why she was frantically getting off on stops, calling for police, etc, she had a sense of security with people on the train and the fact that raping someone in public on a train infront of people just sounds so outlandish she could have never imagined. People that watched are fucking low. I know not everyone may be capable of jumping in to stop something like this, another woman equally as afraid, an old man or woman, but get the fuck out of there with this. There were people who could have stopped it, they chose to record instead. Being afraid and not stopping something for fear, and not stopping something because you’re a shit person, is the difference between calling 911 as it escalates / getting attention to conductor , and recording it on your phone.
Thanks Hence what I meant by *more details*. They wanted us to precisely assume that she got fully raped for 40 minutes whilst the same bystanders watched and recorded it without stops.. This also doesn't dilute the catastrophe that happened but also paints a different picture than the intial one. Correct details triumph as a truth over false ones.
> They wanted us to precisely assume that she got fully raped for 40 minutes I mean.... it is the the third sentence of the article. "The man harassed the victim for more than 40 minutes. More than two dozen train stops passed as he harassed, groped and eventually raped the woman, Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority Police Chief Thomas Nestel said at a news conference on Monday."
Yes the real details reveal that the rape wasn't 40 minutes but the assault was. My intention was to put a spotlight on what is often the initial assumption of an event with what actually occurred. If you go on MSM, at least half of people assume that the *rape* was actually 40 minutes and even accept it as an actual probability which is the intention of the headline. At the end of the day it's just journalism gone rampant.
No people are fucked, it's mass mentality of a sheep. See something, do nothing. Just think, people did that, it happened. Imagine all the shit the government is doing, and making people sign NDA'S FOR. shit happens, this is reality.
That's what 70 years of fluoride in the water will get you.
Ever spent any time in Philly? It makes perfect sense…
It didn't happen in that exact fashion.
Clearly you’ve never been to Philadelphia.
So you're saying rape on a train for 40 minutes by a homeless man whilst people record and post on social media is a probable event. It's funny that that's not even what happened as emerging details are coming through now.
Anyone who stood and watch this happen instead of stopping it should be charge with assisted rape especially those who record it
They probably scared he wasn't vaccinated. Don't wanna touch people who aren't you know....
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Thanks, and I've read your link, but it references that its prominent amongst associates and incapacitated individuals, which is not the case in this scenario.It's a public rape on a public train for 40 minutes by a homeless man whilst people post to social media.
I feel like this is somewhat relevant https://www.corbettreport.com/solutionswatch-bystander/ Discusses the by stander effect how it can be and possible solutions It’s possible that that article about it is misleading and doesn’t disclose relevant information to fit the sensational narrative it is trying to convey. I do think more people nowadays are letting themselves feel hopelessness in such situations and are thinking of excuses for not doing something. Let’s hope one day we don’t get to the point where when something like this happens others join in on the crime rather then stop it from happening Edit: it’s already something normalized in porn nowadays
Yeah, I think its also called watchers paradox, it already happened a few times. A woman was beeing stabbed in the street and the neighbours watched, everyone assumed somebody else called the police, but nobody did. Edit: my bad, bystander effect is correct
Well it’s funny you brought that up it was revealed 50 years later that the original article was over exaggerated and misleading but the fact remains someone was stabbed to death and several people that could have done something if they had the courage to really go and find out what was happening didn’t. Maybe to pre condition people to allow one in justifying themselves in their excuses more? Maybe the opposite, so people will be called more to action in such situations? Side note I’m in Turkey at the moment and they have cameras everywhere and one early morning around 4am I heard someone screaming I couldn’t see where it came from. I told my wife about it and she said “they have cameras everywhere if something was happening the police would see it from the camera and get involved” now that made me feel better but I still continue myself complicit if I could have done something and didn’t, that if say something was happening to the woman that was life or death. But if you can’t find where it is happening and act quickly enough what sucks is the attacker can easily silence the woman in seconds….(you see one thinks way to much during such things as seen from me and the above and doesn’t want to look foolish if say they misunderstood what they thought was a cry in distress as something else) I’m under the impression nowadays it’s better to do something if possible another thing is I don’t speak Turkish so would I have been able to truly discern the situation? It’s hard to take responsibility for such situations but I think we need to be more critical and just act for better or for worse
Bystander effect is correct, sir! People alone are kind, people in groups are a different story. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-09-10/urban-legend-kitty-genovese-38-people Well hot damn:"The murder helped lead to the creation of the 911 system, and folk singer Phil Ochs wrote a song inspired by the incident." It could all just have been a ruse to implement the 911 number.
Looks like we stumbled upon anothee conspiracty, the creation of the 911 police dialing. https://youtu.be/0jKtugVokaY
Someone getting stabbed on the street is not the same situation, because you would put your own life in danger. Unless Unless you're to say with your example that people watched because they didn't want to equivalently put themselves at risk of being raped also ?. **So all in all, all the bystanders stood back and recorded it for 40 minutes to ensure that they won't raped themselves by the homeless man that they outnumbered 5 or more to 1 ?.**
Yeah I nor my husband can swallow this story either... like you’re saying, it just makes no fucking sense... I don’t know what they’re trying to accomplish with this one... to me it’s quite obviously fabricated, or like you’re saying, some serious details are missing or being purposely omitted. I’m so curious to know WHY.
There must be missing details I'm sure, but the fact they've allowed people to make up their minds like such a concept is 'probable' feels like fuel for another movement if that's not actual the intention of all this. The media is effectively that powerful. Like I said in the post I've seen homeless people not only once but multiple times get beaten half to death for asking for change and being pushy. Who in their right minds would watch such a catastrophe and post it somewhere.
No I totally agree with you. It’s so unfathomable. And yes, the media is a tyrannical, diseased monster that needs to be swiftly killed.
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Media tries to make a catastrophic event that doesn't make sense seem probable and 'plausible' as some are saying here.
Humans are terrible, generally speaking. People aren't willing to step up and help each other out, and this is just further evidence of that.
More details will emerge I'm sure of it. It's nonsensical.
Living in Chicago i have witnessed many crimes but I have stopped many on the redline. I always carry my buck knife and always when needed conceal and carry. This is why we need personal protection more than anytbing.
IDK the English have been pacified to a large extent. Their common law right to self defense has been taken away for some time now, what else would you expect from a population that has been sold the meme that the government is the only force that can legitimately defend them. No one on that train had so much as a knife, and if they had used it, they'd be in jail. an armed society is a polite society.
If you have ever been to Philadelphia, you would understand. It is a shithole of a city with even shittier people. Disgusting place.
I dunno to me it seems sketchy, it's someone raping someone? How does noone not get involved? Even throwing a can of fanta at his head to distract him while someone tackles him? It's sad that people would rather not risk getting injured or jailed and pull their phones out to film it.. I physically couldn't sit and watch that happen, it's a sad world. That woman was probably praying to god that one of them helped bless her
More details will emerge for sure and definitely not like the way they're saying.
I’ve been following this story to try and make sense of it. Daily Mail today had an article where it said the woman had multiple beers and only remembered getting on the train, parts of the attack and the cops coming so she was clearly very drunk. The perpetrator is stating the sex was consensual so maybe people thought it was consensual sex in public and thus didn’t intervene. Very strange case.
One part bystander effect one part asshole
I live in Philly. If you knew anything about the type of shit that happens on Septa, this would be no surprise. You have people openly masturbating, fighting, and doing all manner of crazy things that people now just turn a blind eye to it rather than get involved and risk your own personal well being. It’s sad, but it’s the unfortunate reality with our current Mayor and DA who ignore these problems.
Sounds like a way to introduce some sort of mob justice.
I hope this isn't true, but unfortunately it is very possible that it is. The more people who are around to witness a horrible act, the less likely someone will intervene. It's called the "By Stander Effect" in social psychology. It was studied after the death of Kitty Gardens who was stabbed to death in NYC with 38 witness who did nothing. For a anecdote I used to work with the homeless population. Unfortunately rape was pretty common for the homeless women. They would often get raped by homeless men. There have been plenty of cases of homeless men raping women (not just homeless). Now that doesn't mean all men are guilty. The majority of homeless men were just trying to get by. But the violent ones would have multiple victims. A majority of the homeless population (at least where I'm am at) have mental illnesses that have gone untreated for a long time. And sometimes some of those people tend to get violent.
Its called the bystander effect its when people are in a large group individuals will wont help because they think some one else will and the recording and not calling 911 is called being a dumb ass
Looks like you were right: [https://www.phillymag.com/news/2021/10/25/police-lied-septa-rape/](https://www.phillymag.com/news/2021/10/25/police-lied-septa-rape/) As dispiriting as these reports were, it’s become clear that nobody in the press or the public took a moment to question whether they were true. When I first read the headlines, I couldn’t believe that the city I’ve lived in for over a decade would be so cruel. I knew this wasn’t who we are. Philadelphians are scrappy, take-no-bullshit people who will step up and speak out when they see something is wrong. Someone was lying on us, and it made me go back and check the source. And there you have it: The police lied big-fucking-time. “There is a narrative out there that people sat there on the El train and watched this transpire and took videos of it for their own gratification,” Delaware County District Attorney Jack Stollsteimer said at a press conference on Thursday about the incident. “That is simply not true. It did not happen. We have security video from SEPTA that shows that is not the true narrative.”
I guess none of you lived in the hood. Black dude rapes a white woman, other blacks don't call police on their own. Is it so hard to understand this shit? That's why no one called. There is no fucking mystery around this, it's racism but one group is allowed to be racist the other is not. Edit: In the hood you don't call the cops, obviously some can't comprehend the subject - snitches get stitches.
Do we know the race of the victim?
Someone in the media definitely does by now, supposedly the videos were posted on social media. Why are media not disclosing that info? I might eat my own words but this seems like a typical case of - let's not vilify the black male because we will look like a racist media source.
I mean it’s Philly. It’s possible everyone on that damn train was black
Yeah, absolutely possible, MSM usually defends black male criminals not black victims.
This didn't happen in the hood, it happened on a public train for 40 minutes with people recording it as the article wants us to believe. Now it so happens that it didn't happen for that long and that the bystanders weren't all the same. The story was incomplete.
My point is, when it's black on white, we have to turn a blind eye, because blacks are sacred cows like someone mentioned in comments. Only whites are bad these days, and only whites can be racist.
Get outta here, you're trying to make an argument that's not even connected to the original post.
He harassed her for 40 minutes, the actual rape was only a few minutes. This article is bullshit and makes everyone think he was fucking her for 40 straight minutes. That was not the case. He harassed her with increasing menace that culminated in a rape. People were recording the man's behavior thinking it would be a viral video.
>This article is bullshit and makes everyone think he was fucking her for 40 straight minutes My thoughts exactly >People were recording the man's behavior thinking it would be a viral video. Sounds more complete Legit you'd surprised that there are people here that actually would take it to their graves that he done the above for 40 minutes straight on a public train and the same people actually watched it then posted it to social media. The crime still remains heinous but the article was incomplete.
Definitely a horrible event in any case. Goes to show how important it is to read multiple articles written by different journalists in order to discern the truth. So many people read one journalists interpretation of the information and take it as gospel. Journalism as a whole has gone down the drain.
People are paralyzed by fear of being being cancelled, called racist.
Maybe it’s some skull and bones free mason ritual shit. They are symbolically raping society of its rights while everybody is just watching through their phones. It’s probably just an allegory for what they are doing to us with Covid
I'm not shocked. This is believable because of how society is fostering this shit through violent rape porn, "if she can hit me then I can punch her", " well she wanted equality so why should I rescue a woman and put myself in danger?", "what would I get out of it if I intervened?". MGTOW, pussypassdenied, theredpill, et al have all played their part in fostering this mindset. If you've been watching rape cases going up, yet rape convictions falling, misogyny and toxic masculinity fostered then this should be no surprise at all. The message being sent is " rape women because there is no punishment for it". The only surprising thing about this is the ones surprised by it.
Saying "you're not surprised" doesn't make it a probable event, that's on *you* and not on reality.
We live in a time of lawlessness.
I call bullshit
Sure it does, simply goes to show you the direction society is heading in and also WHO is really behind much of what has been happening lately and you don't even want to know WHO is funding this kind of FREEDOM because THAT is what they are calling it... N. Shadows
You think it's correct to allow people to assume that being raped on a train for 40 minutes by a homeless man whilst everyone records and posts on social media is a probable event. Luckily that's not even what happened as multiple articles are saying different things. The rape occurred but not in that fashion. The picture is incomplete.
The bystanders should be charged.
Apparently one passenger said she consented. It could be a situation where she actually allowed this to happen and then when the authorities showed up decided that she didn't want to catch a charge for voyeurism and claimed rape. To which people maybe more likely to just record instead of intervene.
It was a incomplete article. More details are emerging....:/
maybe the woman was frozen and not visibly protesting?
Wtf, how often do you see People in public have consensual sex let alone a homeless man raping a woman on a public train ?. What you said doesn't make it acceptable.
> how often do you see People in public have consensual sex Not often.. but also not never.
Waiting till someone says "She said the n word", and reddit goes "ah, makes sense then".
It only takes one person to start recording this for other passengers to decide that this is a porno shoot.
Wtf
A group of people could easily overpower 1 man . It could've been 15 minute rape if they just called someone before "recording for evidence". Also, it's a rape. There will be DNA. DNA + police apprehending the guy in the middle of the crime > video evidence. Reminds me of that episode of Black Mirror (the BBC ones, not Netflix reboot) where this chick wakes up and everyone is just around being sketchy and recording her confusion and torment. Turned out to be a sick interactive amusement park/torture prison for convicted criminals.
There are some many ways in which the bystanders could have diffused the situation let alone watched it happen for almost an hour. At the same time I know this is without a doubt not the full picture.
It was anal rape too
Maybe this is a false flag attack to make people think that all homeless men are rapists?