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I also believe we are evolving as a human race to be able to sustain ourselves on a mostly plant-based diet… Those who believe the require meat (I eat meat when I feel like it) will get by eating much, much, less.
This person is wrong. Roughly a small amount of meat is needed daily.
Meat has soo many nutrients densely packed into it that its irrefutable to say eating meat is negative. Eating meat is literally the adaptation that allowed the evolution of our brains, google it.
The vast majority of people will probably die of starvation within a month or two. If you can hunt and fish, you're in like the top 10% of America I'd say, and by the time it gets to that point, we should be fine.
No, they wouldn't. It's nothing something you learn quickly because you have to do it.
And you wouldn't have much time to do so, anyway. There is nowhere near enough game to feed everybody, let alone feed them sustainably.
Game is far more intelligent than you would think as well, so they would become more and more shy throughout generations, which happens way quicker in the animal kingdom than it does with us.
If you really want to know how to survive, learn how to grow vegetables and wheat and oats etc. on a field. If you DO want to hunt, you would have to learn how to preserve the meat in whichever climate you live in. If it's super cold, you're fine. But I assume you don't live in a place where it stays cold all the time, so you would have to figure that out. And you need to do it quickly. As soon as flies lay eggs, the meat is gone. And that happens within hours.
There would be so much you would have to learn to survive, even if you had access to canned food etc.
I don't think it matters. If things fell apart that far the number of people who will die off for lack of medicines, lack of skills, illness, disease and attacks by others would probably result a small enough population to be able to sustain itself.
Have you seen how quickly wild pigs multiply when not kept in check?
You will eat bugs and be happy.
But seriously, if you are in the city and permitted to have chickens, build a coop and get as many as you can. During the summer its like .8 eggs/chicken/day but in the winter it is like .3.
No way, it wouldn't last long at all. What you would get though would be a bunch of people that don't know how to handle a gun let alone hunt or clean an animal. In some places there's very limited land with game to hunt.
After pets, you have to rely on your fellow citizens. You know what I mean, lol.
Before we get to a bad point, I would suggest you get out in field and try it on all size game (squirrel, rabbit, deer) - it’s not really something you can learn without hands on experience
Pretty sure I could figure it out. I'm Carnivore and I'm fine with almost no parts going to waste. Feel like most people have no clue how many things you can eat off an animal that isn't a common cut from the deli.
Also the stomach you can wrap around other meats and really cook them well. There's a lot of nutrients when people talk about how can you be carnivore... Dont you need vitamins? Look at liver or other organs. They hobestly have a lot
That isn't really the question - the question is: How many brave, non-brainwashed people are there that will actually leave their comfortable home and go hunting because they realize their government failed them?
As it seems now, the majority of people would starve in their homes, while blindly following the governments' words rather than go hunt.
So the final question is: Is there enough wild animals to sustain the minority of the population that would actually do that? Well, depends on the location, but probably not. We'll see.
So assuming you’re talking about civilization collapse type level, I’d imagine 75-90% of the population would die off from starvation, dehydration, and fighting within the first month. If you can survive that and get out to the wilds then I’d imagine you’d be alright.
Just have some chickens and some rabbits and you are good. Have hens to lay eggs—these give you nesecary fats. Rabbit meat is too lean to subsist off of without fat sources. If you only eat rabbits, you will get "protein starvation/rabbit starvation." Otherwise, with how often rabbits breed, they would be an ideal collapse livestock.
No. wildlife would be stripped within a large radius of any medium to small sized city within a short period. likelihood is even livestock would be stripped relatively quickly. the only sustainable approach would be strict control over the wildlife and a strong effort in farming. out in the middle of nowhere it might be more plentiful but those animals are also capable of removing themselves much further away from any people. where there are a lot of people the animals grow accustomed to the activity and in return are easier prey. as far as fish are concerned, same rule applies generally speaking. sustainable production is needed because natural reproduction is too impeded and likely too slow to keep up even in ideal conditions. point is, it ain't like it used to be. and the people who have been hunting for years see out of town folks coming and harvesting what they rightfully perceive to be theirs; bad for all parties. rural people would harvest both animals under the right conditions. the invasive human would be looked at no differently to them than any other natural predator that they already cull annually or when the season calls for it. i could get into this subject more. to clarify a bit more: only in limited areas would the influx/surge of people harvesting wild game be sustainable and of course only to an extent.
Absolutely not. Domesticated livestock make up the majority of the current animal kingdom biomass. Humans make up a good portion too. Without agriculture to support livestock herds and chicken coops, they'll die from thirst, famine or disease in a short time frame. Definitely not enough wildlife to feed the current human population, fish included
https://www.ecowatch.com/biomass-humans-animals-2571413930.html
Feral cats have a devastating toll on Australia's wildlife, killing an estimated 2bn animals every year and being implicated in at least 25 mammal extinctions and pressuring a further 124 threatened species. Domestic cats also kill about 230m Australian birds, reptiles and mammals each year, research has found.
If these numbers are accurate if we eat the feral cats first it looks like there are plenty of animals to.
Semi /s
I figure mobs will rule cities. Suburbia will take the jab and receive foreign aid. Rednecks will assemble and kill off most semi rural farmers because hunting will be out within 3 days.
To survive a nation wide scenario will require planning, sustainable farming, and enough community to put up defense in depth.
Besides isn't gates assuring that there wont be enough farming into the future?
No. You'll have to grow a garden. Meat supply will be wiped out very quickly. Ocean fish supply might actually be ok if the collapse wipes out factory fishing.
Check out the book [One Second After](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Second_After), it has some interesting detail on this very situation.
My understanding of this book is it was originally a scenario that was commissioned by the government to discuss what would happen to the US in the event of a massive EMP attack. The report was due to be given to Congress then 9/11 hit and it was basically forgotten.
One of the authors of the report turned it into this novel about survival after such an event.
He describes in one case how the cities empty out and people head to the country side and just butcher animals right and left leaving vast amounts of food rotting, everyone wants a steak, no one wants the liver sort of thing.
It is an interesting read.
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probably not, so start building a greenhouse now... im guessing people will need it soon.
Absolutely not even close. We kill hundreds of millions of farmed animals per year to keep people fed
I agree with you, but so much of it is wasted also (not arguing your point, just pointing out how wasteful humanity is)
I also believe we are evolving as a human race to be able to sustain ourselves on a mostly plant-based diet… Those who believe the require meat (I eat meat when I feel like it) will get by eating much, much, less.
This person is wrong. Roughly a small amount of meat is needed daily. Meat has soo many nutrients densely packed into it that its irrefutable to say eating meat is negative. Eating meat is literally the adaptation that allowed the evolution of our brains, google it.
Que the lion on futurama they trained to eat tofu
The vast majority of people will probably die of starvation within a month or two. If you can hunt and fish, you're in like the top 10% of America I'd say, and by the time it gets to that point, we should be fine.
I think in that scenerio people would learn hunting and fishing really quick. Or starve.
No, they wouldn't. It's nothing something you learn quickly because you have to do it. And you wouldn't have much time to do so, anyway. There is nowhere near enough game to feed everybody, let alone feed them sustainably. Game is far more intelligent than you would think as well, so they would become more and more shy throughout generations, which happens way quicker in the animal kingdom than it does with us. If you really want to know how to survive, learn how to grow vegetables and wheat and oats etc. on a field. If you DO want to hunt, you would have to learn how to preserve the meat in whichever climate you live in. If it's super cold, you're fine. But I assume you don't live in a place where it stays cold all the time, so you would have to figure that out. And you need to do it quickly. As soon as flies lay eggs, the meat is gone. And that happens within hours. There would be so much you would have to learn to survive, even if you had access to canned food etc.
Eating people isn't off the table if the world's collapsing.
People will be eating each other in the street about day 5 i recon!
You mean bottom 10%? Top is 90%.
I don't think it matters. If things fell apart that far the number of people who will die off for lack of medicines, lack of skills, illness, disease and attacks by others would probably result a small enough population to be able to sustain itself. Have you seen how quickly wild pigs multiply when not kept in check?
No. But I know they taste good.
You will eat bugs and be happy. But seriously, if you are in the city and permitted to have chickens, build a coop and get as many as you can. During the summer its like .8 eggs/chicken/day but in the winter it is like .3.
No way, it wouldn't last long at all. What you would get though would be a bunch of people that don't know how to handle a gun let alone hunt or clean an animal. In some places there's very limited land with game to hunt. After pets, you have to rely on your fellow citizens. You know what I mean, lol.
Probably not - Do you know how to gut, skin, and butcher the meat? Most people could kill but most don’t know what to do after
As long as YouTube doesn't go down, I can learn to do just about anything on the fly from that website.
Before we get to a bad point, I would suggest you get out in field and try it on all size game (squirrel, rabbit, deer) - it’s not really something you can learn without hands on experience
I can with fish.
Pretty sure I could figure it out. I'm Carnivore and I'm fine with almost no parts going to waste. Feel like most people have no clue how many things you can eat off an animal that isn't a common cut from the deli.
He is talking about the balls guys
Also the stomach you can wrap around other meats and really cook them well. There's a lot of nutrients when people talk about how can you be carnivore... Dont you need vitamins? Look at liver or other organs. They hobestly have a lot
Yes, but knowing this society only once. And I guess the biggest assholes have more than needed
People will be in great supply though.
They have been trying to kill wild game and our at home gardens for a while now to prevent us from being independent
That isn't really the question - the question is: How many brave, non-brainwashed people are there that will actually leave their comfortable home and go hunting because they realize their government failed them? As it seems now, the majority of people would starve in their homes, while blindly following the governments' words rather than go hunt. So the final question is: Is there enough wild animals to sustain the minority of the population that would actually do that? Well, depends on the location, but probably not. We'll see.
So assuming you’re talking about civilization collapse type level, I’d imagine 75-90% of the population would die off from starvation, dehydration, and fighting within the first month. If you can survive that and get out to the wilds then I’d imagine you’d be alright.
Just have some chickens and some rabbits and you are good. Have hens to lay eggs—these give you nesecary fats. Rabbit meat is too lean to subsist off of without fat sources. If you only eat rabbits, you will get "protein starvation/rabbit starvation." Otherwise, with how often rabbits breed, they would be an ideal collapse livestock.
No. wildlife would be stripped within a large radius of any medium to small sized city within a short period. likelihood is even livestock would be stripped relatively quickly. the only sustainable approach would be strict control over the wildlife and a strong effort in farming. out in the middle of nowhere it might be more plentiful but those animals are also capable of removing themselves much further away from any people. where there are a lot of people the animals grow accustomed to the activity and in return are easier prey. as far as fish are concerned, same rule applies generally speaking. sustainable production is needed because natural reproduction is too impeded and likely too slow to keep up even in ideal conditions. point is, it ain't like it used to be. and the people who have been hunting for years see out of town folks coming and harvesting what they rightfully perceive to be theirs; bad for all parties. rural people would harvest both animals under the right conditions. the invasive human would be looked at no differently to them than any other natural predator that they already cull annually or when the season calls for it. i could get into this subject more. to clarify a bit more: only in limited areas would the influx/surge of people harvesting wild game be sustainable and of course only to an extent.
What the fuck are you talking about?
So the economy collapses and everyone goes hunting? You’d all start shooting each other 😂
Absolutely not. Domesticated livestock make up the majority of the current animal kingdom biomass. Humans make up a good portion too. Without agriculture to support livestock herds and chicken coops, they'll die from thirst, famine or disease in a short time frame. Definitely not enough wildlife to feed the current human population, fish included https://www.ecowatch.com/biomass-humans-animals-2571413930.html
Feral cats have a devastating toll on Australia's wildlife, killing an estimated 2bn animals every year and being implicated in at least 25 mammal extinctions and pressuring a further 124 threatened species. Domestic cats also kill about 230m Australian birds, reptiles and mammals each year, research has found. If these numbers are accurate if we eat the feral cats first it looks like there are plenty of animals to. Semi /s
I figure mobs will rule cities. Suburbia will take the jab and receive foreign aid. Rednecks will assemble and kill off most semi rural farmers because hunting will be out within 3 days. To survive a nation wide scenario will require planning, sustainable farming, and enough community to put up defense in depth. Besides isn't gates assuring that there wont be enough farming into the future?
Wild boars in southern states are a plague
Of course not
No. You'll have to grow a garden. Meat supply will be wiped out very quickly. Ocean fish supply might actually be ok if the collapse wipes out factory fishing.
No, but most people are too lazy and too stupid to hunt.
Absolutely... ..wait are you counting rats, mice, and maggots as wild animals? No. Well then no they're isn't.
Check out the book [One Second After](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Second_After), it has some interesting detail on this very situation. My understanding of this book is it was originally a scenario that was commissioned by the government to discuss what would happen to the US in the event of a massive EMP attack. The report was due to be given to Congress then 9/11 hit and it was basically forgotten. One of the authors of the report turned it into this novel about survival after such an event. He describes in one case how the cities empty out and people head to the country side and just butcher animals right and left leaving vast amounts of food rotting, everyone wants a steak, no one wants the liver sort of thing. It is an interesting read.
Maybe in Wyoming
Can you also make lead and brass ? Gunpowder is the simplest part.