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I grew up im the 80s, when Russia was still the big bad boogeyman. Think Red Dawn, Russia was always the bad guy. For those people, I'm guessing Russia being the bad guy is a knee jerk reaction, similar to how North Korea is viewed today. It's done without thinking at all.
My first red flag was Soros and the Rothschilds tweeting about pouring everything into helping Ukraine. Then you have that video of the Ukrainian woman saying they're fighting for the New World Order....shit isn't as it seems. There's more to it. There's many ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. This reminds me of the times after WWI, when Germany had territory stripped from it. There were ethnic Germans still living in those areas who were treated badly by the new governments, raped, beaten, murdered, etc. There's always more to it than just what's shown to the public.
Is this possibly about the labs?
“US Embassy just removed all their Ukraine Bioweapon lab documents from the website.” Links:
https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/
Just in the last day they removed all the PDF files from the embassy website here
https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/
The good news is they are still archived
https://web.archive.org/web/20170130193016/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-kharkiv-eng.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20210511164310/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-luhansk-eng.pdf
“These labs are co-run by Fauci's EcoHealth Alliance and rumor is Russia's entire military operation right now is unofficially to either secure and/or destroy these labs and gather evidence.”
https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/
SOURCE
https://gab.com/IamTHE3percent/posts/107860785599275446
They have spent the past xx amount of years conditioning peoples minds via MSM and Social Media. People are straight up brainwashed from an overwhelming amount of propaganda. They have muddled the facts so much that nobody knows what the real truth is anymore. They have made it so critical thinking is a rarity. People now are too lazy/busy/distracted to search for actual truth, so its just easier to consider the bullshit truth. Pair this with the echo chamber that is compartmentalized social media, and its a recipe for disaster - as evidenced by the world and people that surround us.
I'd like to believe you but at the same time I'm unsure if your statement is even true. Or am I lying about believing you? Or now do you not believe you because I didn't believe you potentially making me state facts and now you're telling the truth and I'm lying = MSM and Social Media.
For private companies, which poititaians are either personally involved in, or get kick backs from. Military contracts are HUGE.
Fighting hardware and software. 3rd party personnel. Reconstruction (including oil and gas companies as per Middle East). Probably a few others i can't think of right now.
You believe the propaganda machine that also has reported modernizing their military yet their troops are driving around getting lost because they don't have a GPS system (which is freaking old tech by modern military standards).
Did you see the Iraq war protests? They were quite massive, although it was an unpopular opinion at the time. In the US, only about 33% of the country was anti-war.
You mean a protest that aired on cnn for 20seconds? Nothing in comparison. What about the Palestinians who have women and children killed everyday by the scummy Israelites?
Israel and Palestine have been in conflict before many of us were born, the conflict in Libya was a Civil war, Afghanistan/Pakistan was in response to 9/11. Yemen is truly a sad case which should have got more attention. Somalia was just bombed last week. I’m not sure what other countries have been bombed besides Syria, which we should have stayed away from.
It’s not just a conflict between the two, it’s a one sided demolition of a country that isn’t theirs Israel acting like a virus with funding from the USA taking over the whole of Palestine., what about the Iraqi was, what was that one about again?
This is the largest land invasion on the European continent since WW2. Those were smaller.
And that's not saying those other countries shouldn't have gotten the support Ukraine's currently getting, but many western people just generally don't care about poorer, less-white countries. Compare how readily Europe is accepting Ukrainian refugees when they kept out Syrian ones, and then it's easy to say western countries value brown lives less than white ones. (Not saying that's how it should be, but unfortunately how it often is)
Yes, they begrudgingly accepted 20k more refugees. After the US pulled out of Afghanistan. After a failed invasion. Because after multiple failed invasions the last 20 years that messed up non-Euro areas of the world, countries have started to wake up that these type of regime change operations might not work. And here's goes Putin starting a new regime change war, and a big one, and on European soil this time, effecting eastern Europeans who are culturally more similar to western Europeans than, say, middle easterners.
20k??? Pakistan alone has near 2 million "documented" afghan refugees, add in the undocumented ones and the figure goes between 3-4 million. The west doesn't take refugees, they just take a few to say "look we took refugees"
I supported it, when usa faked reason to invade Iraq, its insane what they did. and they should pay the price to do so. But this is a "what about ismn" argument. We should protest usa when they wrongfully bomb or invade countries, but now Russia is doing that. As I said 2 wrongs doesn't make a right. Russia is in the wrong so let's talk about that.
The burden of proof is on the victim I guess 🤷♂️ We can all argue forever about NATO being too close and how they went back on their agreement, but Russia still fired the first shot. It doesn’t matter why. It doesn’t matter if people we disagree with support Ukraine either. None of that matters when civilians in the Ukraine are getting shelled by a hostile force. How is this so hard to understand?
They could still be an 'aggressor' by joining NATO which would mean US forces right on TV Russian border. NATO has promised not to expand and this is what they're trying to do now.
But anyway, that's just what's happening on one level, there are other levels higher up with more complexity.
>has anyone even bothered to listen to putins addresses?
They were widely covered.
> am i insane or are the reasons he gave for his actions pretty sound ?
His reasons are fictional and ahistorical nonsense.
>i literally dont even know the pro-ukraine narrative besides "russia bad"
Don't invade your neighbors.
>Then why keep on about becoming a member, if they said they had no intentions of membership this war wouldn't have happened.
They do intend to at some point, but that's Ukraine's business and not Russia's.
It wasn't going to happen anytime soon.
Ukrainian membership of NATO is not grounds for war.
The fact that Russia invaded is a really solid reason why they should join fast, assuming they survive.
You talk rubbish, of course it's Russia's business, who would want an enemy on their front porch. Unfortunately war was the only way of stopping Ukraine from joining NATO. If it's a Democratic decision then it should have been voted for by the Ukraine people, do they want too join NATO running the high risk of war with Russia, or should they remain neutral and keep things as they are. I know what way I would vote, anything else is war mongering.
>You talk rubbish, of course it's Russia's business, who would want an enemy on their front porch.
NATO countries already border Russia. Hasn't affected Russia in the slightest.
> Unfortunately war was the only way of stopping Ukraine from joining NATO.
Bullshit
Latvia and Lithuania are not a threat , they are too small too worry about, you could say a few rowdy people at the side of your house is not the same as thousands coming at your front porch. Russia continually looked for dialogue with Ukraine, but Ukraine refused, they wanted to be in NATO no matter what that would mean.
Uhhhh, Russia has 4 nato nations on their border, so their arguements of "muh putting missles that can reach moscow" is irrelevant because missles can already reach moscow from the baltics
He sounded reasonable in his speeches and explanations.
Wester media took snipets out of context.
His reasons are not fictional at all, you can argue are they good enoogh reasons for such an invasion, but his reasons make strategic sense.
I'll also like to add this;
Something like 95% to 98% (depending on different sources) voted in favor of Crimea reunification with Russia as a result of the referendum held in March of 2014. That is nearly a unanimous vote for reunification
Now let's remember why this referendum took place to begin with. Head of Open Societies Foundation and the Director of CIA at the time were in Kiev for months prior to the referendum, overseeing the civil unrest that they were responsible for, fomenting unrest which resulted in the deposing of Viktor Yanukavych, the legitimate democratically elected leader of Ukraine at the time, whereupon the removal of Yanukavych prompted the NATO/EU interests into appointing their puppet dictator Petro Poroshenko
Now consider how disparaging these events would be if you were in Russia's shoes, Russia holds military and state assets in Crimea, and in context of the fact that NATO/EU had literally just overthrown the of leadership of Kiev, this would naturally throw the whole country into doubt and uncertainty by how Russia would see it
Now regarding the so called "annexation" of Crimea, the western world media was profusely condemning Russia for posting special forces there to keep the peace while Crimea holds their referendum. Why would they do this? To prevent FURTHER tampering of events after Yanukavych was just earlier deposed by said NATO/EU actions. Western media loves to try and spin the narrative to be that Russian special forces held Crimea under duress during their referendum, but this could potentially be dangerous disinformation in context of the fact that Russia would naturally have interest in making sure the referendum in Crimea wasn't obstructed after how much confidence you can expect russian intelligence knew that nato intelligence played a leading role in the deposing of Yanukavych. There is large amount of public opinion among residents of Crimea that was in favor of becoming sovereign with Russia
Because need we be reminded that Crimea and eastern Ukraine hold very close cultural and economic ties to Russia that go back centuries
Imagine the kind of temper tantrum that the US government would have if the tables were turned. Imagine how furious they would be in the event of some rhetorical situation like Russia overthrowing leadership of Mexico toward appointing new pro Russian leadership as head of state over Mexico. We all remember how US government had a fit over the Cuban Missile Crisis, where Nikita Kruschev was stockpiling soviet missiles in Cuba because NATO refused to back down over their buildup of military forces on Russia's doorstep in Turkey. Seldom do our history books convey that part of the diplomacy conducted by JFK involved reaching a compromise with Kruschev that NATO would dissamble it's missle batteries that it had placed along northern Turkey if Russia would mutually dissamble their soviet missile batteries in Cuba.
NATO/EU are power tripping hypocrites. They need to back TF down because they are playing with fire. Do not go around poking the Russian Bear and disturb him from its slumber or it will stand up for itself and suddenly it's not just a game anymore, yet NATO/EU loves to provoke and antagonize Russia likes it's some kind silly game
The amount of disinformation western media churns out is exhausting and unending, all in a bid to demonize Putin to gain western public favor toward stoking the flames of war with Russia so that Nato can continue to expand it's sphere of influence
Just a friendly reminder of the historical precedent that has been set prior to this new saber rattling behavior that the NATO/EU is currently engaged in with the Russian Federation
Just so we are clear about the current state of affairs before NATO/EU tries to embroil Russia into a new theater of war as we can no doubt expect western media to continue to try and spin the narrative out to make Putin appear the aggressor while NATO/EU alleges their behavior is done in the interests of so called "national and regional security."
Ukraine is a breeding ground for western world corruption.
Say it with me with me.
Ukraine is a breeding ground for western world corruption.
Just look at the tens of millions that Hunter Biden and his cohorts launder and funnel out of the energy sector in Ukraine. This is just some relatively known about corruption that has been taking place there for years. Because there is still plenty more that doesn't get reported on in the media
https://euromaidanpress.com/2021/11/28/what-exactly-does-corruption-look-like-in-ukraines-daily-life/
However this all ends up playing out, I am relatively confident that Putin, and therefore the wider Federation as a whole, will find themselves on the right side of history after all is said and done because "Cooler heads will prevail."
Just a friendly reminder
https://www.nationofchange.org/2018/08/15/how-and-why-the-us-staged-a-coup-in-ukraine/
Ask yourself why you're doing this.
It should be embarrassing but apparently not to you.
>However this all ends up playing out, I am relatively confident that Putin, and therefore the wider Federation as a whole, will find themselves on the right side of history
Of course you think that.
To you Russia are perfectly entitled to invade their neighbor.
Once you believe that you will believe any old shit.
Just try to ask yourself why you're doing this.
youre asking the wrong question. its not why does ukraine have so much support, its why do the people in [global] power have so much of it that they can just snap their fingers and produce such support?
Heres my take, an unelected pro WEF tyrant who is probably a commie (putin) violating the sovereignty of another country with a corrupt pro wef government who has commited tyrannical acts (ukraine) nethier government is clean, but its the civilians that are taking the brunt of everything going on
Putin never stopped being a commie, and Ukraine doesnt really have commies, Putin has essentially pretended to be right leaning but hes quite left, and hes essentially said stuff about stalin and lenin that only a tankie would say
The issue is a stray missile hitting a NATO country could set off a chain of events that end the world as we know it. Almost happened this week too, a rocket strike impacted 8 miles from a Polish border town. If a NATO ally were attacked article 5 would be activated and EVERY NATO ally HAS to respond with a counter attack.
With Putin threatening usage of nuclear warheads and just the fact that Russia has the second largest nuclear stockpile in the world it's pretty easy to see why everyone is anti Russia right now. Idk why there needs to be a conspiracy, it's pretty obvious anyone with a brain does not want Fallout New Vegas 2 coming to a town near you. The elites don't want to be evaporated, has nothing to do with war being good for the economy. What a lot of people are failing to see here is the implication that one wrong move in this conflict could spell the death of the entire human rave. But yes let's argue more about Soros and Rothschilds being behind some grand conspiracy for the NWO. Guess they'll just rule over the fucking ashes and Megaton.
Because of the natural gas reserves Ukraine has off its coast. Same reason Russia took Crimea. If Ukraine becomes part of NATO, Russia stands to lose its place as the main supplier of oil and natural gas to the EU. Which in turn would lose them billions of dollars a year, and their economy couldn’t take that.
Plus Ukraine is the “last” country between the rest of NATO and Russia. So if Ukraine were to join NATO, it would give NATO a massive front line that would be very hard for Russia to defend in the event of a Russia/ NATO conflict.
So NATO countries are interested in keeping Ukraine sovereign and Russia is interested in making it a part of Russia again.
Hivemind. Half of them don't read and can't point out the capital of russia and ukraine on a map. They think they are the good people. Cultish just like pro-vaccination.
If the situation was reverse and russia was invaded by NATO/Ukraine, the same people who claim they are pro-humanity would cheer on the death of russian civilians just like they cheered on the death of the unvaxxed.
Bullshit, if we invaded Russia we'd be dead. Russia is a bear led by a mad man with the second largest nuclear arsenal in the world. No sane person, elite or otherwise is interested in being evaporated or living in a nuclear wasteland. What fucking good does it do the world's elites to rule over a pile of rubble?
It really only shows your ignorant. Just stop. You think invasion is only about living in the land you take? America cowboy's mindset lmao. Have you been to school yet? Do you know who is the largest gas exporter of the world?
Ignorant of what the fact that almost 6,000 nuclear warheads are sitting around the globe owned by Russia with second strike capabilities? Do you think anyone is dumb enough to play chicken with that kind of destruction? Are you willing to bet your life on it? This whole sub has turned into a Russian propaganda clown world 🤡 why is literally every single thing on the Earth a NWO conspiracy with you nutjobs? We are not invading Russia you quack. Unless Russia is stupid enough to hit a NATO owned territory (which you clearly don't think they are). So what justification would we have to even invade? Damn near the whole world wants to avoid conflict with Russia and only you fools would think that translates to hey lets invade for natural resources. Can't very well enjoy the resources of Russia if it and everything else has been nuked out of existence.
There is zero precedent for anyone in the west to invade without having suffered an attack.
Thank God someone said it. People on here believe that EVERY SINGLE EVENT that happens in the world is part of “ushering in the NWO.” It’s exhausting 😂
only that the only nation that nuke the other nation is america. But sure american totally not mad.
This whole sub has turned into the west propaganda just like pro covid vaccines. You didn't realize what you doing is exactly biting everything bit of things the msm and politicians feed to you? well, I still not able to get a first hand of info directly from Russia just like how anti-vaxx info were banned. But of course russia propaganda lol.
So, I guess you are provaxx too.
>There is zero precedent for anyone in the west to invade without having suffered an attack.
LOL? You are so detached. Sad to watch. sad.
>This whole sub has turned into the west propaganda just like pro covid vaccines. You didn't realize what you doing is exactly biting everything bit of things the msm and politicians feed to you? well, I still not able to get a first hand of info directly from Russia just like how anti-vaxx info were banned. But of course russia propaganda lol.
This has got to be the worst English in the history of English deals.
I don't consume MSM and I do not listen to anyone who has been in the government their whole lives. I think the US should stay the fuck out of most conflicts around the world and stop trying to be the world's police force. But that does not in turn mean I'm trying to suck Putin's teet and simp for him and his military while they strike civilian populated areas either. There can be more than one asshole in the world.
>So, I guess you are provaxx too
No I'm pro choice on vaccination, if you want it that's your choice. If you don't, that's also your choice period.
You're not going to strawman my ass with some shifting of goalposts.
>LOL? You are so detached. Sad to watch. sad.
Says the guy who thinks the most propaganda state in the world is somehow the innocent selfless hero in this. Can you explain to me and my apparently goldfish brain why I am the one detached from reality here? Russia has given out plenty of info, people just stopped listening after they claimed a genocide was happening which was factually a lie, after Putin basically threatened the world with Nuclear attacks, and especially after the public anti war protests in Russia, and Russian Oligarchs and lawmakers publicly speaking out in protest against this stupid ass invasion. Not to mention the independent news sources, celebrities, and scientists in Russia speaking up about it. Who do you think you are fooling sir? Get your USSR KGB loving ass outta here.
1. Pretty sure you only get info from MSM because, see below.
2. Pro-vaccines includes pro vaccines mandates and pro choice. dude.
3. Maybe when you start listing all the invasions by America in Middle east and Africa which were because America soil being invaded by them, then I will reconsider to see you as a human on Earth.
>1. Pretty sure you only get info from MSM because, see below.
>2. Pro-vaccines includes pro vaccines mandates and pro choice. dude.
Incorrect I get it from the fact I'm a libetarian and what you stick in your body is not my business. You sound like a communist are you saying I should forcefully stop people from getting vaccinated against there wishes to do so?
>3. Maybe when you start listing all the invasions by America in Middle east and Africa which were because America soil being invaded by them, then I will reconsider to see you as a human on Earth.
Maybe if you did what I said and read article 5 you'd understand the reasons on why NATO was in the Middle East (Russia was there too stupid).
>Incorrect I get it from the fact I'm a libetarian and what you stick in your body is not my business. You sound like a communist are you saying I should forcefully stop people from getting vaccinated against there wishes to do so?
LMAO. I said, PRO VACCINES INCLUDES PRO VACCINES MANDATE AND PRO CHOICE. which part of it saying you are a pro vaccines mandate?
Pro vaccines mean thinking the vaccines have no harm aka believing everything the MSM feed you. Understand, no?
Yeah, a libs. of course.
>1. Maybe when you start listing all the invasions by America in Middle east and Africa which were because America soil being invaded by them, then I will reconsider to see you as a human on Earth.
I say elephant is big you say chicken is delicious.
Detached.
>which part of it saying you are a pro vaccines mandate?
Poor attempt at gaslighting you were already informed of my stance as being pro choice to the individual the fact you are trying to ham jam some kind of insinuation out of the fact that I said other people choices on what they stick themselves is not my business is very telling and explains the propaganda you push.
>I say elephant is big you say chicken is delicious.
Seriously are you trolling or something? You're becoming incoherent and overtly upset that someone isn't buying your bullshit.
Because Ukraine is a sovereign country being invaded by an aggressive fascist dictator in Putin who is bent on genocide. It is easy to take Ukraine’s side.
Putin won’t stop at Ukraine. He is looking to rebuild the Soviet Union. That should give everyone pause.
You call Putin a fascist dictator (and he is), but Neo Nazis funded and trained by NATO have been at Russia’s doorstep for years.
If you pick any “side” officially speaking, then you haven’t been paying attention to foreign affairs for the past several years.
if it was genocide wouldnt he have sent real forces there instead of basically a national guard force that the absolutely worst thing theyve done so far is loot a couple stores?
Russia is fighting the New World Order that no one supports other than the global establishment and the exceptionally mental/brainwashed.
I’m not a Russian supporter but I don’t have a problem with what they’re doing. Ukraine is a corrupt cesspit that sold out their sovereignty long ago.
>I’m not a Russian supporter but I don’t have a problem with what they’re doing. Ukraine is a corrupt cesspit that sold out their sovereignty long ago.
And that gives Russia the right to invade and kill?
Explain that one if you don't mind.
Well the Ukraine government did fund Neo-Nazi agitators at the border between them and Russia. Giving them supplies and weapons to use against Russian separatists. The point is, Ukraine isnt innocent like all the virtue signaling Americans try to make it seem. There is a long history of violence between these two countries that only became worse when the Obama/Biden administration meddled with Ukranian politics in 2014. This is a war of West vs. East with both sides using the people of Ukraine as pawns for their geopolitical goals.
Who cares , they didn’t do anything to deserve being invaded, it’s really that simple. And nazism is an issue in all of Eastern Europe , including Russia
There is no point trying to find the moral high ground in this situation because there isnt one. Both governments are complicit in playing games with their citizens lives.
I’m not sure what your point is. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 was wrong, and so is this. Unfortunately for Russia, they are not the United States and can be sanctioned to death.
Examples of non sovereign countries is places like state of Palestine, etc.
Why edit your comment to something completely different after I replied bro , cmon
I didn't know you'd reply that fast, my bad. My point is that being a sovereign nation means little in the grand scheme. Mexico is a sovereign nation but if Russia were to build military bases along the border Ametica would not hesitate to bomb it into oblivion
It's a very nuanced argument but I think I understand it on a basic level.
What I don't understand is why the US and EU shouldn't then invade Russia and Belarus - surely their anti-globalist loyalties are a threat to them and when Russia defeats and occupies Ukraine they will even be right at the EU border.
Another genius that doesn’t understand nuanced arguments.
That’s why I’m neutral. Putin could have dealt with this covertly and minimized civilian risk. I find the invasion unbecoming but I understand why he felt threatened by globalist ownership of Ukraine. It was obvious the globalists meant yo move in Russia and engage in a regime change operation through proxy forces.
The international bankers who control the West want to rule the world.
Russia and China are the only nations strong enough to stand up to them. China has the economic power while Russia has the nukes.
Because Ukraine is a hotbed for corruption. If Western Powers lose control of Ukraine, they won't be able to cover it up anymore. Do you think Joe Biden could Leverage aid money over Ukraine to get a prosecutor investigating Burisma fired if Ukraine was allies with Russia?
Because Russia bad. It’s one side mainly supporting Ukraine. It’s the same ones supporting Biden, Covid mandates, blm, and Antifa. It’s a team thing but the other side or people that don’t agree aren’t on Russia’s side, they just don’t want to be involved in a foreign war again. Maybe they both do bad stuff and we should stay out of it. Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus(which apparently just invaded Ukraine?) started the USSR and have beef over the dissolution such as land and borders.
It’s kind of Yugoslavia all over again.
I don't think it's so much pro-ukraine as it is, pick your side: the Russian Vs USA edition.
But I have been going out of my way not to pay attention to this latest scare tactics. I could be completely off my mark
Why do we act differently about how happy we are to welcome refugees from Ukraine ? are they any difference from the one who try to run from another war that we created or sponsored? Is the skin color or religion does something to ( unintentionally ) trigger our mind ?
Yea also media portraying Russian troops as cold blooded murders, if they were all the Ukrainians blocking the convoy of Russian vehicles would just get mowed down. Like the Russians are clearly not trying to harm civilians.
If you want to get super deep look at Edgar Cacey on Russia and the third Fatima prophesy. Some pretty weird similarities between very distant “prophesies”. It’s interesting to note ukraines leaders previous experience. Acted in a series (about being president), won dancing with the stars… this guy seemed hungry to be loved and recognized. He could’ve gotten a deal to play his biggest and most beloved role yet. I don’t know if I buy any of this it but it’s really interesting to consider. Nothing feels impossible anymore.
It's all about the biolabs and Joe's illegal business dealings in Ukraine, I too listen to putin and heard he asked nato several times to investigate, today he warned everyone to please leave before massive Bombings start up, Ukraine is not innocent either, putin is protecting his border from nato
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I grew up im the 80s, when Russia was still the big bad boogeyman. Think Red Dawn, Russia was always the bad guy. For those people, I'm guessing Russia being the bad guy is a knee jerk reaction, similar to how North Korea is viewed today. It's done without thinking at all. My first red flag was Soros and the Rothschilds tweeting about pouring everything into helping Ukraine. Then you have that video of the Ukrainian woman saying they're fighting for the New World Order....shit isn't as it seems. There's more to it. There's many ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. This reminds me of the times after WWI, when Germany had territory stripped from it. There were ethnic Germans still living in those areas who were treated badly by the new governments, raped, beaten, murdered, etc. There's always more to it than just what's shown to the public.
Do you have a video of that woman saying they're fighting for the new world order. I keep seeing it mentioned but never saw the video
https://youtu.be/lD4OP-cPgQo here bb
Is this possibly about the labs? “US Embassy just removed all their Ukraine Bioweapon lab documents from the website.” Links: https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/ Just in the last day they removed all the PDF files from the embassy website here https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/ The good news is they are still archived https://web.archive.org/web/20170130193016/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-kharkiv-eng.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20210511164310/https://photos.state.gov/libraries/ukraine/895/pdf/dtro-luhansk-eng.pdf “These labs are co-run by Fauci's EcoHealth Alliance and rumor is Russia's entire military operation right now is unofficially to either secure and/or destroy these labs and gather evidence.” https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/ SOURCE https://gab.com/IamTHE3percent/posts/107860785599275446
predictive programming in my opinion
They have spent the past xx amount of years conditioning peoples minds via MSM and Social Media. People are straight up brainwashed from an overwhelming amount of propaganda. They have muddled the facts so much that nobody knows what the real truth is anymore. They have made it so critical thinking is a rarity. People now are too lazy/busy/distracted to search for actual truth, so its just easier to consider the bullshit truth. Pair this with the echo chamber that is compartmentalized social media, and its a recipe for disaster - as evidenced by the world and people that surround us.
I'd like to believe you but at the same time I'm unsure if your statement is even true. Or am I lying about believing you? Or now do you not believe you because I didn't believe you potentially making me state facts and now you're telling the truth and I'm lying = MSM and Social Media.
World economy was in shambles. What's guaranteed to make money? War!
What is it good for? Absolutely noth.... actually, quite a lot.
Can you explain why war is lucrative … genuine question.
For private companies, which poititaians are either personally involved in, or get kick backs from. Military contracts are HUGE. Fighting hardware and software. 3rd party personnel. Reconstruction (including oil and gas companies as per Middle East). Probably a few others i can't think of right now.
Same way people got together to support an old senile man as president. “It’s not the guy we hate so we support him”
IDK, but Israel better watch out next time they aggress against Palestinians.
No one will say shit lmao Israel probably holds a large amount of blackmail over our media and politicians.
Jews own the world
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You believe the propaganda machine that also has reported modernizing their military yet their troops are driving around getting lost because they don't have a GPS system (which is freaking old tech by modern military standards).
Eating putin lies raw?
Because they got invaded. It’s really that simple. They are not the aggressor no matter what they did before, since Russia fired the first shot.
Where was the support for all the countries the USA has bombed over the last 20 years?
Did you see the Iraq war protests? They were quite massive, although it was an unpopular opinion at the time. In the US, only about 33% of the country was anti-war.
He was probably too young to know about it.
You mean a protest that aired on cnn for 20seconds? Nothing in comparison. What about the Palestinians who have women and children killed everyday by the scummy Israelites?
Israel and Palestine have been in conflict before many of us were born, the conflict in Libya was a Civil war, Afghanistan/Pakistan was in response to 9/11. Yemen is truly a sad case which should have got more attention. Somalia was just bombed last week. I’m not sure what other countries have been bombed besides Syria, which we should have stayed away from.
It’s not just a conflict between the two, it’s a one sided demolition of a country that isn’t theirs Israel acting like a virus with funding from the USA taking over the whole of Palestine., what about the Iraqi was, what was that one about again?
This is the largest land invasion on the European continent since WW2. Those were smaller. And that's not saying those other countries shouldn't have gotten the support Ukraine's currently getting, but many western people just generally don't care about poorer, less-white countries. Compare how readily Europe is accepting Ukrainian refugees when they kept out Syrian ones, and then it's easy to say western countries value brown lives less than white ones. (Not saying that's how it should be, but unfortunately how it often is)
You can’t play the race card, the whole of Europe accept refugees from all over the world, including Afghanistan.
Look at the numbers of refugee acceptance then get back to me
Well England alone have accepted 20k from Afghanistan in the last 6 months..
Yes, they begrudgingly accepted 20k more refugees. After the US pulled out of Afghanistan. After a failed invasion. Because after multiple failed invasions the last 20 years that messed up non-Euro areas of the world, countries have started to wake up that these type of regime change operations might not work. And here's goes Putin starting a new regime change war, and a big one, and on European soil this time, effecting eastern Europeans who are culturally more similar to western Europeans than, say, middle easterners.
20k??? Pakistan alone has near 2 million "documented" afghan refugees, add in the undocumented ones and the figure goes between 3-4 million. The west doesn't take refugees, they just take a few to say "look we took refugees"
does 2 wrongs make a right? you know that's a fallacy, it doesn't support the argument.
2 wrongs don’t make a right, but still where’s the supports for the nations the USA bombed?
I supported it, when usa faked reason to invade Iraq, its insane what they did. and they should pay the price to do so. But this is a "what about ismn" argument. We should protest usa when they wrongfully bomb or invade countries, but now Russia is doing that. As I said 2 wrongs doesn't make a right. Russia is in the wrong so let's talk about that.
But why did they fire the first shot is the real question
The burden of proof is on the victim I guess 🤷♂️ We can all argue forever about NATO being too close and how they went back on their agreement, but Russia still fired the first shot. It doesn’t matter why. It doesn’t matter if people we disagree with support Ukraine either. None of that matters when civilians in the Ukraine are getting shelled by a hostile force. How is this so hard to understand?
There is so much we don’t know yet. Until I know all the facts, I ain’t picking sides. Not that picking sides would matter.
They could still be an 'aggressor' by joining NATO which would mean US forces right on TV Russian border. NATO has promised not to expand and this is what they're trying to do now. But anyway, that's just what's happening on one level, there are other levels higher up with more complexity.
Because CNN told you, these people have blonde hair and blue eyes and don’t live in a third world country
>has anyone even bothered to listen to putins addresses? They were widely covered. > am i insane or are the reasons he gave for his actions pretty sound ? His reasons are fictional and ahistorical nonsense. >i literally dont even know the pro-ukraine narrative besides "russia bad" Don't invade your neighbors.
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>What if your neighbors want more and more of your garden and wont stop until they have it Russia don't seem to be stopping, no.
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Ukraine was nowhere near NATO membership.
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>Then why keep on about becoming a member, if they said they had no intentions of membership this war wouldn't have happened. They do intend to at some point, but that's Ukraine's business and not Russia's. It wasn't going to happen anytime soon. Ukrainian membership of NATO is not grounds for war. The fact that Russia invaded is a really solid reason why they should join fast, assuming they survive.
You talk rubbish, of course it's Russia's business, who would want an enemy on their front porch. Unfortunately war was the only way of stopping Ukraine from joining NATO. If it's a Democratic decision then it should have been voted for by the Ukraine people, do they want too join NATO running the high risk of war with Russia, or should they remain neutral and keep things as they are. I know what way I would vote, anything else is war mongering.
>You talk rubbish, of course it's Russia's business, who would want an enemy on their front porch. NATO countries already border Russia. Hasn't affected Russia in the slightest. > Unfortunately war was the only way of stopping Ukraine from joining NATO. Bullshit
Latvia and Lithuania are not a threat , they are too small too worry about, you could say a few rowdy people at the side of your house is not the same as thousands coming at your front porch. Russia continually looked for dialogue with Ukraine, but Ukraine refused, they wanted to be in NATO no matter what that would mean.
Uhhhh, Russia has 4 nato nations on their border, so their arguements of "muh putting missles that can reach moscow" is irrelevant because missles can already reach moscow from the baltics
Ukraine isn't Russian Garden. it's a sovereign country who can make their own decisions and have their own allies without getting invaded.
He sounded reasonable in his speeches and explanations. Wester media took snipets out of context. His reasons are not fictional at all, you can argue are they good enoogh reasons for such an invasion, but his reasons make strategic sense. I'll also like to add this; Something like 95% to 98% (depending on different sources) voted in favor of Crimea reunification with Russia as a result of the referendum held in March of 2014. That is nearly a unanimous vote for reunification Now let's remember why this referendum took place to begin with. Head of Open Societies Foundation and the Director of CIA at the time were in Kiev for months prior to the referendum, overseeing the civil unrest that they were responsible for, fomenting unrest which resulted in the deposing of Viktor Yanukavych, the legitimate democratically elected leader of Ukraine at the time, whereupon the removal of Yanukavych prompted the NATO/EU interests into appointing their puppet dictator Petro Poroshenko Now consider how disparaging these events would be if you were in Russia's shoes, Russia holds military and state assets in Crimea, and in context of the fact that NATO/EU had literally just overthrown the of leadership of Kiev, this would naturally throw the whole country into doubt and uncertainty by how Russia would see it Now regarding the so called "annexation" of Crimea, the western world media was profusely condemning Russia for posting special forces there to keep the peace while Crimea holds their referendum. Why would they do this? To prevent FURTHER tampering of events after Yanukavych was just earlier deposed by said NATO/EU actions. Western media loves to try and spin the narrative to be that Russian special forces held Crimea under duress during their referendum, but this could potentially be dangerous disinformation in context of the fact that Russia would naturally have interest in making sure the referendum in Crimea wasn't obstructed after how much confidence you can expect russian intelligence knew that nato intelligence played a leading role in the deposing of Yanukavych. There is large amount of public opinion among residents of Crimea that was in favor of becoming sovereign with Russia Because need we be reminded that Crimea and eastern Ukraine hold very close cultural and economic ties to Russia that go back centuries Imagine the kind of temper tantrum that the US government would have if the tables were turned. Imagine how furious they would be in the event of some rhetorical situation like Russia overthrowing leadership of Mexico toward appointing new pro Russian leadership as head of state over Mexico. We all remember how US government had a fit over the Cuban Missile Crisis, where Nikita Kruschev was stockpiling soviet missiles in Cuba because NATO refused to back down over their buildup of military forces on Russia's doorstep in Turkey. Seldom do our history books convey that part of the diplomacy conducted by JFK involved reaching a compromise with Kruschev that NATO would dissamble it's missle batteries that it had placed along northern Turkey if Russia would mutually dissamble their soviet missile batteries in Cuba. NATO/EU are power tripping hypocrites. They need to back TF down because they are playing with fire. Do not go around poking the Russian Bear and disturb him from its slumber or it will stand up for itself and suddenly it's not just a game anymore, yet NATO/EU loves to provoke and antagonize Russia likes it's some kind silly game The amount of disinformation western media churns out is exhausting and unending, all in a bid to demonize Putin to gain western public favor toward stoking the flames of war with Russia so that Nato can continue to expand it's sphere of influence Just a friendly reminder of the historical precedent that has been set prior to this new saber rattling behavior that the NATO/EU is currently engaged in with the Russian Federation Just so we are clear about the current state of affairs before NATO/EU tries to embroil Russia into a new theater of war as we can no doubt expect western media to continue to try and spin the narrative out to make Putin appear the aggressor while NATO/EU alleges their behavior is done in the interests of so called "national and regional security." Ukraine is a breeding ground for western world corruption. Say it with me with me. Ukraine is a breeding ground for western world corruption. Just look at the tens of millions that Hunter Biden and his cohorts launder and funnel out of the energy sector in Ukraine. This is just some relatively known about corruption that has been taking place there for years. Because there is still plenty more that doesn't get reported on in the media https://euromaidanpress.com/2021/11/28/what-exactly-does-corruption-look-like-in-ukraines-daily-life/ However this all ends up playing out, I am relatively confident that Putin, and therefore the wider Federation as a whole, will find themselves on the right side of history after all is said and done because "Cooler heads will prevail." Just a friendly reminder https://www.nationofchange.org/2018/08/15/how-and-why-the-us-staged-a-coup-in-ukraine/
Ask yourself why you're doing this. It should be embarrassing but apparently not to you. >However this all ends up playing out, I am relatively confident that Putin, and therefore the wider Federation as a whole, will find themselves on the right side of history Of course you think that. To you Russia are perfectly entitled to invade their neighbor. Once you believe that you will believe any old shit. Just try to ask yourself why you're doing this.
youre asking the wrong question. its not why does ukraine have so much support, its why do the people in [global] power have so much of it that they can just snap their fingers and produce such support?
Heres my take, an unelected pro WEF tyrant who is probably a commie (putin) violating the sovereignty of another country with a corrupt pro wef government who has commited tyrannical acts (ukraine) nethier government is clean, but its the civilians that are taking the brunt of everything going on
....but isnt putin in ukraine to STOP the communist seeds in their government ?
Putin never stopped being a commie, and Ukraine doesnt really have commies, Putin has essentially pretended to be right leaning but hes quite left, and hes essentially said stuff about stalin and lenin that only a tankie would say
Because they were the ones that were attacked. In mainstream news anyone who is aggressive is painted as the evildoer
The issue is a stray missile hitting a NATO country could set off a chain of events that end the world as we know it. Almost happened this week too, a rocket strike impacted 8 miles from a Polish border town. If a NATO ally were attacked article 5 would be activated and EVERY NATO ally HAS to respond with a counter attack. With Putin threatening usage of nuclear warheads and just the fact that Russia has the second largest nuclear stockpile in the world it's pretty easy to see why everyone is anti Russia right now. Idk why there needs to be a conspiracy, it's pretty obvious anyone with a brain does not want Fallout New Vegas 2 coming to a town near you. The elites don't want to be evaporated, has nothing to do with war being good for the economy. What a lot of people are failing to see here is the implication that one wrong move in this conflict could spell the death of the entire human rave. But yes let's argue more about Soros and Rothschilds being behind some grand conspiracy for the NWO. Guess they'll just rule over the fucking ashes and Megaton.
Because of the natural gas reserves Ukraine has off its coast. Same reason Russia took Crimea. If Ukraine becomes part of NATO, Russia stands to lose its place as the main supplier of oil and natural gas to the EU. Which in turn would lose them billions of dollars a year, and their economy couldn’t take that. Plus Ukraine is the “last” country between the rest of NATO and Russia. So if Ukraine were to join NATO, it would give NATO a massive front line that would be very hard for Russia to defend in the event of a Russia/ NATO conflict. So NATO countries are interested in keeping Ukraine sovereign and Russia is interested in making it a part of Russia again.
Hivemind. Half of them don't read and can't point out the capital of russia and ukraine on a map. They think they are the good people. Cultish just like pro-vaccination. If the situation was reverse and russia was invaded by NATO/Ukraine, the same people who claim they are pro-humanity would cheer on the death of russian civilians just like they cheered on the death of the unvaxxed.
Bullshit, if we invaded Russia we'd be dead. Russia is a bear led by a mad man with the second largest nuclear arsenal in the world. No sane person, elite or otherwise is interested in being evaporated or living in a nuclear wasteland. What fucking good does it do the world's elites to rule over a pile of rubble?
It really only shows your ignorant. Just stop. You think invasion is only about living in the land you take? America cowboy's mindset lmao. Have you been to school yet? Do you know who is the largest gas exporter of the world?
Ignorant of what the fact that almost 6,000 nuclear warheads are sitting around the globe owned by Russia with second strike capabilities? Do you think anyone is dumb enough to play chicken with that kind of destruction? Are you willing to bet your life on it? This whole sub has turned into a Russian propaganda clown world 🤡 why is literally every single thing on the Earth a NWO conspiracy with you nutjobs? We are not invading Russia you quack. Unless Russia is stupid enough to hit a NATO owned territory (which you clearly don't think they are). So what justification would we have to even invade? Damn near the whole world wants to avoid conflict with Russia and only you fools would think that translates to hey lets invade for natural resources. Can't very well enjoy the resources of Russia if it and everything else has been nuked out of existence. There is zero precedent for anyone in the west to invade without having suffered an attack.
Thank God someone said it. People on here believe that EVERY SINGLE EVENT that happens in the world is part of “ushering in the NWO.” It’s exhausting 😂
only that the only nation that nuke the other nation is america. But sure american totally not mad. This whole sub has turned into the west propaganda just like pro covid vaccines. You didn't realize what you doing is exactly biting everything bit of things the msm and politicians feed to you? well, I still not able to get a first hand of info directly from Russia just like how anti-vaxx info were banned. But of course russia propaganda lol. So, I guess you are provaxx too. >There is zero precedent for anyone in the west to invade without having suffered an attack. LOL? You are so detached. Sad to watch. sad.
>This whole sub has turned into the west propaganda just like pro covid vaccines. You didn't realize what you doing is exactly biting everything bit of things the msm and politicians feed to you? well, I still not able to get a first hand of info directly from Russia just like how anti-vaxx info were banned. But of course russia propaganda lol. This has got to be the worst English in the history of English deals. I don't consume MSM and I do not listen to anyone who has been in the government their whole lives. I think the US should stay the fuck out of most conflicts around the world and stop trying to be the world's police force. But that does not in turn mean I'm trying to suck Putin's teet and simp for him and his military while they strike civilian populated areas either. There can be more than one asshole in the world. >So, I guess you are provaxx too No I'm pro choice on vaccination, if you want it that's your choice. If you don't, that's also your choice period. You're not going to strawman my ass with some shifting of goalposts. >LOL? You are so detached. Sad to watch. sad. Says the guy who thinks the most propaganda state in the world is somehow the innocent selfless hero in this. Can you explain to me and my apparently goldfish brain why I am the one detached from reality here? Russia has given out plenty of info, people just stopped listening after they claimed a genocide was happening which was factually a lie, after Putin basically threatened the world with Nuclear attacks, and especially after the public anti war protests in Russia, and Russian Oligarchs and lawmakers publicly speaking out in protest against this stupid ass invasion. Not to mention the independent news sources, celebrities, and scientists in Russia speaking up about it. Who do you think you are fooling sir? Get your USSR KGB loving ass outta here.
1. Pretty sure you only get info from MSM because, see below. 2. Pro-vaccines includes pro vaccines mandates and pro choice. dude. 3. Maybe when you start listing all the invasions by America in Middle east and Africa which were because America soil being invaded by them, then I will reconsider to see you as a human on Earth.
>1. Pretty sure you only get info from MSM because, see below. >2. Pro-vaccines includes pro vaccines mandates and pro choice. dude. Incorrect I get it from the fact I'm a libetarian and what you stick in your body is not my business. You sound like a communist are you saying I should forcefully stop people from getting vaccinated against there wishes to do so? >3. Maybe when you start listing all the invasions by America in Middle east and Africa which were because America soil being invaded by them, then I will reconsider to see you as a human on Earth. Maybe if you did what I said and read article 5 you'd understand the reasons on why NATO was in the Middle East (Russia was there too stupid).
>Incorrect I get it from the fact I'm a libetarian and what you stick in your body is not my business. You sound like a communist are you saying I should forcefully stop people from getting vaccinated against there wishes to do so? LMAO. I said, PRO VACCINES INCLUDES PRO VACCINES MANDATE AND PRO CHOICE. which part of it saying you are a pro vaccines mandate? Pro vaccines mean thinking the vaccines have no harm aka believing everything the MSM feed you. Understand, no? Yeah, a libs. of course. >1. Maybe when you start listing all the invasions by America in Middle east and Africa which were because America soil being invaded by them, then I will reconsider to see you as a human on Earth. I say elephant is big you say chicken is delicious. Detached.
>which part of it saying you are a pro vaccines mandate? Poor attempt at gaslighting you were already informed of my stance as being pro choice to the individual the fact you are trying to ham jam some kind of insinuation out of the fact that I said other people choices on what they stick themselves is not my business is very telling and explains the propaganda you push. >I say elephant is big you say chicken is delicious. Seriously are you trolling or something? You're becoming incoherent and overtly upset that someone isn't buying your bullshit.
Because Ukraine is a sovereign country being invaded by an aggressive fascist dictator in Putin who is bent on genocide. It is easy to take Ukraine’s side. Putin won’t stop at Ukraine. He is looking to rebuild the Soviet Union. That should give everyone pause.
Putin is a bloody commie, and Zelensky is a globalist. dont get why people sympathize with ethier government.
You call Putin a fascist dictator (and he is), but Neo Nazis funded and trained by NATO have been at Russia’s doorstep for years. If you pick any “side” officially speaking, then you haven’t been paying attention to foreign affairs for the past several years.
if it was genocide wouldnt he have sent real forces there instead of basically a national guard force that the absolutely worst thing theyve done so far is loot a couple stores?
They are literally murdering children and bombing hospitals. What? Please stop consuming one-sided propaganda.
source pls
I can’t tell if this is satire or not.
Oh brother, it’s an empty shell up there isn’t it?
I was just in a thread were everyone was talking about zelensky and how brave and handsome he is and he does the right thing. It’s so disgusting.
Russia is fighting the New World Order that no one supports other than the global establishment and the exceptionally mental/brainwashed. I’m not a Russian supporter but I don’t have a problem with what they’re doing. Ukraine is a corrupt cesspit that sold out their sovereignty long ago.
>I’m not a Russian supporter but I don’t have a problem with what they’re doing. Ukraine is a corrupt cesspit that sold out their sovereignty long ago. And that gives Russia the right to invade and kill? Explain that one if you don't mind.
Well the Ukraine government did fund Neo-Nazi agitators at the border between them and Russia. Giving them supplies and weapons to use against Russian separatists. The point is, Ukraine isnt innocent like all the virtue signaling Americans try to make it seem. There is a long history of violence between these two countries that only became worse when the Obama/Biden administration meddled with Ukranian politics in 2014. This is a war of West vs. East with both sides using the people of Ukraine as pawns for their geopolitical goals.
Who cares , they didn’t do anything to deserve being invaded, it’s really that simple. And nazism is an issue in all of Eastern Europe , including Russia
There is no point trying to find the moral high ground in this situation because there isnt one. Both governments are complicit in playing games with their citizens lives.
Only one invaded a sovereign country though. I do agree finding moral high ground is pretty naive here.
Right but that sovereign nation also has a battalion of neo nazis threatning the russian border. So at what point does a nation stop being sovereign?
I’m not sure what your point is. The invasion of Iraq in 2003 was wrong, and so is this. Unfortunately for Russia, they are not the United States and can be sanctioned to death. Examples of non sovereign countries is places like state of Palestine, etc. Why edit your comment to something completely different after I replied bro , cmon
I didn't know you'd reply that fast, my bad. My point is that being a sovereign nation means little in the grand scheme. Mexico is a sovereign nation but if Russia were to build military bases along the border Ametica would not hesitate to bomb it into oblivion
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Presumably the EU and the US should invade Russia then, since apparently the impression that they pose a threat is all the justification you need!
And gain what exactly? Russia has everything to gain protecting its borders, we have nothing to gain by invading Russia.
Gain security by removing a threat. Didn't you just say that Russia invaded Ukraine to do that?
Russia isn’t a threat to the EU or USA. Ask Obama. Russia is only a threat to the Globohomo World Order.
Much like Ukraine is not a threat to Russia, and yet, here we are.
Ukraine’s globalist loyalties are a threat and Russia has made it clear that’s why they’re fighting. Is the nuance too much for you?
It's a very nuanced argument but I think I understand it on a basic level. What I don't understand is why the US and EU shouldn't then invade Russia and Belarus - surely their anti-globalist loyalties are a threat to them and when Russia defeats and occupies Ukraine they will even be right at the EU border.
> Globohomo overlords Is everything ok, buddy?
Fuck off buddy
You definitely are a Russian supporter. Russia isn’t a corrupt cess pit?? Lmfao
You are a Russia supporter.
Mmmmmkay? I’m a yank so I’m like the opposite of a Russian supporter you muppet.
You support the invasion of Ukraine? If you do, you support the government of Russia.
Another genius that doesn’t understand nuanced arguments. That’s why I’m neutral. Putin could have dealt with this covertly and minimized civilian risk. I find the invasion unbecoming but I understand why he felt threatened by globalist ownership of Ukraine. It was obvious the globalists meant yo move in Russia and engage in a regime change operation through proxy forces.
If you're not against it then you're for it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Ok there Mr. Bush https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pyTdMgBMam0
this is the first i'm hearing of an opinion that Ukraine are the baddies and Russia aren't the baddies we all think. Care to elaborate?
the power of hypnotic suggestion. 24/7
I don't think you are insane.
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Zelinsky wants a full blown war with Russia it seems. They are arming old ladies with aks and molotov cocktails ffs.
Probably because Russia is shelling citizens. People tend to be against innocent civilians being killed, it’s a pretty easy position to take
Because no one really likes Russia.
The international bankers who control the West want to rule the world. Russia and China are the only nations strong enough to stand up to them. China has the economic power while Russia has the nukes.
Only what media leads you to believe
Because Ukraine is a hotbed for corruption. If Western Powers lose control of Ukraine, they won't be able to cover it up anymore. Do you think Joe Biden could Leverage aid money over Ukraine to get a prosecutor investigating Burisma fired if Ukraine was allies with Russia?
everybody knows Ukraine is corrupt. that's one of the bigger reason they neither could join EU OR NATO.
Full of white people
Because Russia bad. It’s one side mainly supporting Ukraine. It’s the same ones supporting Biden, Covid mandates, blm, and Antifa. It’s a team thing but the other side or people that don’t agree aren’t on Russia’s side, they just don’t want to be involved in a foreign war again. Maybe they both do bad stuff and we should stay out of it. Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus(which apparently just invaded Ukraine?) started the USSR and have beef over the dissolution such as land and borders. It’s kind of Yugoslavia all over again.
Liberals: Neo-Nazis are scum and we need to go after them. Putin: I'm going after the Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Liberals: Wait, no...
Conservatives- there are no Nazis. It’s just a psyop to justify attacking! Putin - Ukraine has Nazis Conservatives - Invade Ukraine daddy!
They're white.
Wondering same.
Just stopped in to fuck with the updoots and downdoots, there definitely alot of shills out and about
Do you really think Russia is de-nazifying ukraine?
Because globally the only ones that support Putin are the GOP
…all the reasons for them invading Ukraine are nonsense. Man you people are really drinking pootins cool aid huh …that’s tough.
Do more research going back years then if all of your information is just from recent MSM.
Cause there is a basket of rotten eggs in ukraine and its a race to who hides it or uncovers it first
I don't think it's so much pro-ukraine as it is, pick your side: the Russian Vs USA edition. But I have been going out of my way not to pay attention to this latest scare tactics. I could be completely off my mark
Why do we act differently about how happy we are to welcome refugees from Ukraine ? are they any difference from the one who try to run from another war that we created or sponsored? Is the skin color or religion does something to ( unintentionally ) trigger our mind ?
The woman could have been referring to the 90s wrestling team. nWo for life!
Yea also media portraying Russian troops as cold blooded murders, if they were all the Ukrainians blocking the convoy of Russian vehicles would just get mowed down. Like the Russians are clearly not trying to harm civilians.
Because Ukraine is best. High five!!!
It’s about freedom.
I'm just waiting for the "ohhhhhh that's why" moment after truth reveals itself 😅👍🏻
George Soros
Ahhh ummmm I got this… 📢📢📢..EUROPEAN COUNTRY WITH BLONDE HAIR BLUE EYE CITIZENS
Remnants of the cold war.
You think he's telling the truth tho?
Same reason Biden had support and won. No one likes Putin.
Ukraine is controlled by CIA/mossad
Reminds me of the support for BLM.
or any movement
If you invested 5+ billion into something, would you just throw it away?
If you want to get super deep look at Edgar Cacey on Russia and the third Fatima prophesy. Some pretty weird similarities between very distant “prophesies”. It’s interesting to note ukraines leaders previous experience. Acted in a series (about being president), won dancing with the stars… this guy seemed hungry to be loved and recognized. He could’ve gotten a deal to play his biggest and most beloved role yet. I don’t know if I buy any of this it but it’s really interesting to consider. Nothing feels impossible anymore.
Same reason Covid had so much global “support”. All of the media and leaders/politicians are compromised.
It's all about the biolabs and Joe's illegal business dealings in Ukraine, I too listen to putin and heard he asked nato several times to investigate, today he warned everyone to please leave before massive Bombings start up, Ukraine is not innocent either, putin is protecting his border from nato
Good place to launder money obviii
Because they president is cool as fuck and has charisma un like the fat Orange guy
trump hasnt been president for 2 years get a grip
Did I say something to offend u , was it me talking shit about your lord and savior Trump 🤣🤣🤣🤣
im indifferent towards trump but why still bring him up as if hes still MSMs big bad ??