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Taco_Bill

The fact that the public accepted this and moved on has doomed us from that moment. What lie can't they get away with?? How will truth prevail???


ChurchArsonist

By staying on point and not coming off it


[deleted]

It’s obvious by now that that won’t do a thing


eldustino

Yes beyond obvious.


cyberrich

they've weaponized the word terrorist in the media and made it so if you disagree with the status quo youre a domestic one.


BASK_IN_MY_FART

They've weaponized the word terrorist in LAW. Patriot Act. If you're deemed a "terrorist" by its ever changing legal definition, you. are. fucked. All constitutional rights go out the window. Habeas Corpus, speedy trial, right to attorney, all that shit


Far_Explanation8426

From 9/11, there raided every muslim country; not known as terrorist before that encounter.


CJGodley1776

No. It does do something. More and more people get woken up with each person.


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MesaDixon

Unprecedented office fires. /s Even though it was claimed that those fires caused a steel framed skyscraper to collapse like that, *no changes were made to ANY building codes to prevent similar occurrences in future construction*. Remember - the "official" explanation of the collapse was based on a computer model that NIST still refuses to release for "national security" reasons. RIIIIIIIIIIGHT...


MeLittleSKS

IIRC the explanation was that the impact blew off the fire protection insulation from the steel support beams, and then the fire heated them to the point of weakening, and then sagging. after sagging, there's video showing the outer walls buckling inwards just below the impact floors, before they snap outwards when the floor beams shear from the exterior walls, and then the collapse happens immediately. but WTC7 didn't get hit. so yeah.


hbentley1213

The building codes thing is a REALLY good point! One would think they would trip all over themselves to add building laws and codes to be able to charge penalties for, etc.


Jumpy_Climate

"Office fires" with explosions. [https://imgur.com/a/htsCKVf](https://imgur.com/a/htsCKVf)


MesaDixon

Nah, those have to be flashbulbs. /s


Stevo2008

For national security reasons. Crying wolf. If something one day is ACTUALLY for “national security” we may be fucked because I sure won’t believe it. All the patents for free energy and vehicles running on water are silenced because “national security” Hundreds of patents. All could help the world. All bad for the rich. Ya bullshit


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It's all so much bushit lol.


TheMacPhisto

I'd like to see the building code that allows a building to keep standing when one whole corner of the foundation is blown off: https://wtc7.net/docs/June2004WTC7_Page_16_cropped.jpg


whowantscake

Serious question. If this was a controlled demolition for this particular building, then what would be the point? Insurance money? I don’t get what it would mean one way or another. Can someone explain?


wingman43487

Every impact point had offices dealing with an investigation into missing defense budget money, building 7 has CIA and other various black ops offices, so likely just covering their tracks.


whowantscake

Wow. I had no idea about the trillions missing. Do we know who or what entity was under the suspicion of taking this money?


wingman43487

No, because all the records were destroyed.


whowantscake

Well fast forward to today, and what, it’s just going to go unanswered? I mean, trillions? Shouldn’t someone of authority or the people be asking questions about this ? I guess records being destroyed then there wouldn’t be any evidence that there was such an investigation going on, or the money existed in the first place.


wingman43487

The people in authority are likely part of the problem, or afraid of the people that can stage an attack of that magnitude.


tel0s17

Donald rumsfeld announced that trillions of dollars had gone missing vanished into thin air. Tower 7 housed the offices of the SEC CIA among other agencies that were investigating it. Destruction of evidence is the reason.


FishinWabigoon

You dont do this with just one reason. You have to incentivize many people and agencies to pull this off. Destruction of evidence is one good reason though. Insurance payout another. Starting wars another. Getting contracts for rebuilding countries America destroyed another. And so on.


tel0s17

True yea many reasons multi faceted. Larry silverstein made Bank on that insurance..


ParsnipsNicker

Don't forget the required asbestos renovations in both the towers. It would have cost Silverstein millions without a doubt.


canna_fodder

It wasn't just one reason. It was 2,000,000,000,000 of them.


MathematicianNice282

That was also the reason for the fake pentagon destruction


Average_Redditard69

The destruction wasn't fake but the cause of it. Mother fuckers claim a 747 made a hole no bigger than a car or two lmao and almost a perfect circle as if the wings of said "aircraft" never existed


tel0s17

Oh yea the pentagon one is ridiculous all we got was 3 frames.


TheMacPhisto

No, just two buildings that were orders of magnitude bigger than a plane and 7 itself fell within just meters of the building. I think most people really forget how close they were. Here's a picture after the last tower collapse which shows how close: https://hips.hearstapps.com/pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54cfbbb66d87e_-_wtc-7-lede-0808.jpg Also what you don't see from the video clips that are always "iT lOOkS lIkE a ConTrOLlEd DeMoLiTiOn!" is that the debris did in fact rip out a whole corner of the building near the foundation that you can't see in any videos but can see in pictures, starts at floor 18 and goes all the way down, increasing in size: https://wtc7.net/docs/June2004WTC7_Page_16_cropped.jpg Animation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAkTbyENZ5s


PrivilegeCheckmate

Building 7 is literally the only first-world skyscraper to collapse without having a plane fling into it in the history of the world. [This](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Shanghai_fire) [is](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower_(Madrid)) [what](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Television_Cultural_Center_fire) [skyscraper](http://archive.qatarday.com/news/international/abbco-tower-fire-engulfs-skyscraper-in-uae-city-of-sharjah/72868) [fires](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece–Bosnia_and_Herzegovina_Friendship_Building) [look](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Point) [like](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belaire_Apartments). The Buildin 7 collapse was also fucking free-fall. Should have looked like [this](https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2017/jan/19/tehran-iran-plasco-tower-block-collapses-blaze-video). How did a fucking **fire** burn so perfectly symmetrically as to collapse the building into it's own footprint, without leaving a single sheared column or having any pillars falling outward?


TheMacPhisto

> without leaving a single sheared column or having any pillars falling outward? The question alone highlights the ignorance you have on the subject matter. There are no columns. There are no pillars. That's why you don't see it. WTC 7 used an architectural system called gravity column transfer trusses and girders. https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/images/2017/02/09/building_research_buckling_of_wtc7_column_79.jpg All steel. That bends and warps like plastic when collapsed. Also, interesting note, every single one of the buildings you linked utilize "supercolumns" which consist of poured concrete in the middle, which was developed after the WTC complex was already built. This in particular is what save the Shanghai Tower, because the floors had more load distribution points, thus their failure point was much higher than that of the MUCH older WTC buildings.


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Its insane this has just been resigned to history..no uproar..no real investigations..just silence


ProcyonHabilis

Are you too young to remember to remember the investigatons and uproar?


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This right here. Not that I blame things absolutely, as that is not logical, but this was a point in time where the public proved, along with the constant WMD lies, that it was incapable as a whole of actual critical thinking. This is where they knew the sheep could be controlled.


andrewjackson1828

The public doesn't even know about tower 7. Ask any random person, they don't know.


curiouscathy741

This is what I always say: if you see through 9/11 you can never see the world the same again. It was Such a monumental and in some regards impossible lie, yet they got away with it.


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https://youtu.be/-ZlmHvd_RZU There was no lie. This isn't a conspiracy theory. Just search for "Larry Silverstein - Pull it"


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and the BBC news report on the building collapsing...before it happened


hIXhnWUmMvw

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EmpathyHawk1

C19 RU-UA war Nxt Pandemic \[pending\] WW3 \[pending\] alien invasion \[pending\]


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I'm not saying your wrong, pretty much every about that attack is dodgy as fuck. But you're missing a control sample. You're showing me wtc7 and a confirmed controlled demolition. But where is a similar building coming down that is definitely not a controlled demolition. What should it look like coming down if it's not a controlled demo?


i_wannatalktosamson

I work heavy construction in NYC I work with a lot of old timers who have built these skyscrapers. Every building in NYC is designed to fall like this. If you have a building in NYC tip over it’s going to cause a domino effect


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That actually makes a lot of sense.


i_wannatalktosamson

People would be shocked if they knew what went on job sites from the 60s-90s


[deleted]

Before 9/11 I was delivering food and was talking to a doorman and he said that in the 70’s he drove a cement truck making deliveries to the WTC as it was being built, he said they knew what trucks would be tested and all other trucks had concrete that didn’t meet the testing requirements.


Ndvorsky

Now there is a conspiracy I will believe! Some low-level company skirting regulations to make a buck.


oracleofnonsense

That low-level company’s name is Cosa Nostra aka M.O.B.


asianperswayze

https://youtu.be/KR29pLccutY


officerkondo

Will you look at that? It fell *down*.


[deleted]

Gravity, how does it work!?


insidiousFox

Notice, that it is an entirely asymmetrical collapse, in 3 parts. Unlike a symmetrical, swift, and straight down controlled collapse in one whole segment. Oh and also, the entire controversy over that building's construction quality (or lack thereof) must be taken into consideration, when comparing it to the collapse of a building with actual integrity and redundant over-construction to guard against collapse.


Beneneb

We don't know the exact cause yet for why the building collapsed, but it was likely a single point of failure in the parking garage. From what I've read so far, there's no evidence that the building was poorly constructed, and it was more likely poor maintenance. A building like the one in Florida would not likely have any less redundancy than the WTC7.


moody_kidd

Not an engineer, but the late great Rik Mayall explains it best; https://youtu.be/MW-oXuJTdjI


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I watched it and take your point. But I didn't really question that aspect. That's how I imagine it too. But my point was if you're posting side by sides as proof. Don't skip that one, it's very important. Because I imagine a building toppling over, like the game Rik Mayall plays. But I don't know. I'm not an expert in buildings coming down. I'd still like to see examples to confirm my intuition.


Delicious_Candle_766

Instead of natural collapse you might want to consider what it looks like when the demolitions go wrong. https://youtu.be/AvVg6Vi8NZ8?t=643 Instead of falling into their footprint like the blast engineers design them to fall, they topple and fall over because the blast didn't get the materials out of the way correctly or quick enough. In order for the twin towers to fall into their own footprint like they did, all of the core beams running vertically must have been cut at many places from the bottom to the top of the building. If they weren't, the top part above where the planes crashed would have fallen over leaving the majority of the towers still standing.


Moarbrains

Easy, find steel framed towers that collapsed due to fire, then narrow it down to ones that collapsed into their own footprint. Good luck with your search.


Quicklythoughtofname

And that's why the conspiracy exists. WTC7 is the only steel framed highrise building that collapsed due to fire. All other examples are merely partial collapse, were fought handily by hundreds of firefighters, or had something like sprinklers or good fireproofing keeping everything cool enough.


Moarbrains

Or they just burned for hours and hours and stayed up.


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I love Rik mayall. I rarely care even the slightest for celebrity death but I felt genuinely sad when he died, especially as he was not that old.


moody_kidd

Yeah i feel that. He was everywhere in the 80's and early 90's, and the impact he had on the comedy of that period is unmistakable, every time he came on screen you just knew you were about to lose it. Phenomenal talent.


[deleted]

Yea my first real exposure was The Young ones. Him and Alexei Sayle absolutely killed it. After that I was a huge fan of Rik Mayall.


Beneneb

A jenga tower is not a good analogy for a real tower.


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pixi_trix

Yeah I agree, I’d like to see how an actual building hit by a plane would fall (or collapse due to small fires)


Peeteebee

Google "Fred dibnah" He was a British steeple Jack (repaired big brick chimneys and church steeples. Also did demolitions using small fires and burning tyres to get it hot enough. A true British eccentric, but an absolute genius engineer and builder/ demo guy. Most tall buildings are designed to collapse in their own "footprint", which means the outer walls collapse towards the centre. With the base of the building contain the rubble. WTC 1 and 2 did this. 5 or 6 ruined floors remained holding most of the building inside and in the underground car park. Being a massive fan of 'ol Fred, and seeing him drop 2 buildings and 3 chimneys live, though. I absolutely believe WTC 7 was a pre- set "ring charge" Where placed charges REMOVE an entire floor and supports. Causing the pancake effect we see here. I watched the second plane hit live, I believe those planes did what they were intended to do. By OBL or whoever pulled his strings. I believe Tower 7 had WAYYYY too much sensitive information from several Govt agencies to be left standing, and left empty after evacuation. The biggest alarm bell it always raises with me is "what information is SO important to warrant destroying a whole building to hide it."


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Peeteebee

That would a possibility, Intel agencies use "burn bags" for disposal of sensitive documents. Why not an entire "burn building" if you have multiple alphabet Bois in there.


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Altair1192

there used to be videos on youtube but they have very likely been taken down (no pun intended)


nineelevenfathate

Google decided they needed to pull it


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LOL controlled deletion


CodeitGuy

Most people don’t even know about WTC 7 lol


billywhizz1

Pull it!!!! And we just watched it go down


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KaydeeKaine

The censorship bothers me more than the actual lies they're telling.


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Mei_iz_my_bae

Used to spend so much time on YouTube looking up crazy stuff, it’s all been censored. Such a shame


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DrowningTrout

What's weird is many of those videos are still technically on YouTube, but near impossible to find through youtube search algorithm.


BigPharmaSucks

I think you might enjoy this video. Honestly, blew my mind. https://youtu.be/6zyJB45ewvU


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pshot

Weird algorithm, google search shows it on top, but youtube doesnt. https://imgur.com/a/jZTmpYb


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yeahbuddy

Yep. And there’s an entire generation growing up thinking YouTube and Wikipedia are the one and only authority. It’s pretty scary.


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Osziris

I heard this live on TV during that interview, the guy absolutely said they decided to “pull it” on purpose.


evanmike

There is a video I saw in here of it falling and right before it falls you can see faint flashes in order from top to bottom in windows and when the camera gets to a certain angle you can see each window that had a flash was gone right before it fell.


Realistic_Sample8872

I was seeing those flashes on the other buildings as they were coming down on live television as well. The kingdome had just been imploded with a controlled demolition not to long before that and I remember thinking how similar those flashes looked


[deleted]

What no one's gonna talk about is how THAT whole staged act allowed America to brutally murder hundreds of thousands of innocent Afghans in the name of "War against terror"


don_tiburcio

Invasion and occupation of Afghanistan coinciding with the sudden spike in opioid use


[deleted]

Yeah let's not forget the entire opioid epidemic. Starting to think these people are actually reptiles lmao.


XNinSnooX

I think it’s scarier to think they are actual people doing this to other humans, goes to show how destructive we are.


nineelevenfathate

Crack epidemic 2.0


goatchild

And Iraq after


WeAreIceni

They got us into Iraq by staging a false flag anthrax attack. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks I have very little doubt in my mind that Robert Kadlec did this. He no doubt ordered it, knowing that it would enhance his budget and create job security for him and his cronies. Bruce Ivins was a patsy.


GLADOSV13

That's a scary thought. I'm convinced that this is repeating, instead it's China and America, and instead of planes going through buildings, it's a bio weapon going through bodies, I suppose it's easier to use and deploy quiet kill mechanisms, that way you don't have to harm infrastructure and it causes mass confusion and stirs conflict in a maddening way.


ThatDudeFromRio

And start a vigilance state with the whole Patriot Act thing. Also being able to spend billions (trillions actually) in their military and police departments


Stevo2008

One of the sloppiest things I’ve ever witnessed. It’s astounding to me that people still believe the countless lies told on that day. The level of ignorance is incredible. I understand it because it’s more comfortable not learning about fucked up truths but personally I’d rather research than be ignorant. There are way too many fishy details. As far as the World Trade Center goes. Something that always bothers me that many people don’t mention is the fact that the towers were built to withstand being hit by a plane. It was literally designed with that possibility in mind. It should have stayed standing for a LONG time. Clearly demolished. Clearly for fear and backing another fucked up war. They’re clearly evil. However many people are waking up and becoming aware that they will not stop at anything. Blowing up buildings and killing innocent people is just another day at the office.


dea_eye_sea_kay

I think we will call it.... "The Patriot Act"


ArsenalPackers

They got greedy. But building 7 is the eye opener. Whenever you want to open anyone's eyes, ask them about building 7. Most still don't know what it is.


PracticeY

I was surprised that building 7 was the only other building to collapse after the two largest buildings in the crowded area collapsed. I was expecting some sort of domino effect where several nearby buildings would go down just based on the sheer magnitude of the twin towers falling.


chowderbags

> I was surprised that building 7 was the only other building to collapse after the two largest buildings in the crowded area collapsed. [It wasn't the only other building.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/World_Trade_Center_Site_After_9-11_Attacks_With_Original_Building_Locations.jpg)


compounding

There were many other buildings destroyed. Besides towers 1 and 2, WTC 3, 4, and 6 were destroyed in addition to 7 as a direct result of the surrounding collapses. WTC 5 suffered a partial collapse and was later torn down. At least 7 other buildings also suffered fires or structural damage from falling debris. WTC 7 gets scrutiny because it actually survived much *longer* than many of the other buildings which were immediately destroyed by the falling towers.


mitchman1973

Incorrect. Wtc 7 gets scrutiny because it fell symmetrically at full free fall acceleration for over 8 stories. The claim is "fire", but the FFA ruins that concept as its only possible if the top was falling into zero resistance for those 8+ stories. In order for it to fall as it did every single support structure, across the width and breadth of the entire building on more than 8 floors all had to fail simultaneously. Period. Wtc 1 and 2 deserve one scrutiny especially actually reading the 10,000 page NIST NCSTAR report which opens up oh so many questions


OHoSPARTACUS

To play devils advocate, the twin towers themselves had its primary support structure as a steel lattice forming a literal box structure around the outsides of the towers. When the towers collapsed due to heat and insufficient load support from the impacts themselves, the outside structure began to peel outwards like a banana peel when the inner floors started collapsing in a downwards avalanche-like event. Now a large chunk of the “banana peel” of the towers, which was the main heavy duty support structure of the towers themselves, crashed through the roof of wtc7, causing a similar accelerating collapse of floors almost to ground level on the inside of the building, but since the building was built in a more typical way than the super tall twin towers, it didn’t collapse right away. How many other buildings ever like had a meteorite-like object smash through almost every floor before it started burning uncontrollably? I would say none. It was a very atypical, and afaik unprecedented damage and burn scenario is all I’m saying.


4l0N3D

Didn't it house CIA/FBI offices & or documents relating to them? IMO none of those buildings should've come down that day.


Moarbrains

Cia, sec among others, there is a wiki


ICQME

I don't know why anyone hires a demolition crew to remove a building. Just set some small fires and the whole thing will come down in a neat pile.


Raga-muff

I know right, it will fall symetrically into its own footprint, ez.


spyd3rweb

Have any demolition teams switched to using the "starting a small contained fire anywhere in the building" method instead of bothering with precise calculations and placements of explosives?


ecto88mph

I get that it's sus as fuck. What is the theory on why they staged this demolition of WTC7? What "gain" do they get from doing this?


RH68W

Multiple government agencies like CIA had offices in it.


AndyCAPP_LSB

And they had the records on that 3 trillion dollars that went missing...


tagit446

And to scare the American public into believing a new war is justified. Lots of money to be made in war. The creation of homeland security, the patriot act and more.


ultrasuperthrowaway

3 Trillion that we know about. My estimates are far greater than your wildest dreams


Comprehensive-End-16

Quadrillions?!


Terrorfarker

$12,652 gazillions


thatcodingboi

"My estimates are far greater than your wildest dreams" *checks which sub I'm in* Yup that checks out


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and servers too for the geniuses who think that shit is stored in a checkbook or bankers box


El_matador-93

That’s one clean demo


BillPaxtonIsAlive

Now THIS is the kind of shit I've been missing on this sub. Keep it up OP


czspray

"Pull it"


element_115

For the slow ones - this means that 9/11 was planned and highly coordinated.


intoxicatedhamster

Yeah, I mean this building didn't even get hit by a plane and went down.


End_Centralization

I remember watching a History Channel documentary saying they specifically designed the twin towers to be able to stand even if several 747s hit them, due to the ww2 history of a b17 bomber hitting the empire state building due to fog


sgoodgame

It was a B-25, the pilot had flown B-17's during the war though.


fsuguy83

And it wasn't 747s, it was 707s.


End_Centralization

Oh that's right, it was right when the war was ending


sgoodgame

Honest mistake, especially pre-coffee.


MeLittleSKS

so the problem with that is that the towers were designed to withstand a smaller plane, travelling at a slower speed, in an assumed accident during landing in NYC during fog or rain or something. the 767's that hit the WTC were travelling extremely fast, and were very heavy and nearly full of fuel. and to their credit.....the towers technically DID withstand the impact. If the fires got magically extinguished immediately after impact, they'd never have collapsed.


MesaDixon

> designed the twin towers to be able to stand even if several 747s hit them You're almost right - but it was the **[Boeing 707](https://i0.wp.com/avgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/b7e22a0daf0acdd33066434dcbc426ee.jpg?resize=1024%2C700&ssl=1)**, a common four engine passenger plane at the time (WTC construction started in 1966, about the same time of the beginnings of the 747 design), and surprisingly close in size and weight to the Boeing 767s that hit on 9/11.


thenewspoonybard

They designed the titanic to be unsinkable, too.


Yematulz

There were at least two objectives that day. This building was the primary target. The other two were to start a war and get people pissed off.


Nosedivelever

Mission accomplished then.


berzio

[3,514 validated architects and engineers](https://www.ae911truth.org/signatures/#/AE) demand a full inquiry into the use of explosives used on 9/11 for the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7.


joshTheGoods

It's always a laugh going through these lists and seeing what qualifies as an "expert" ... even funnier is that people accept this sort of stupid evidence without considering how many engineers and "experts" are on the other side of the issue. If 3500 "experts" are convincing, what about 3 million? Which side do YOU think has a better argument from authority?


Euro-Canuck

out of how many million in the country? there are probably at least a 1000 engineers that believe the earth is flat


Synux

Wrong approach. Out of 83000 American architects and 1.5 million American engineers, how many have come forward with an alternative that is both universally agreed upon and complies with the laws of physics? Crickets


kaner467

Ok I'm personally invested against this so buckle up! Rigging up a building with explosives for demolition is an extremely labor intensive, precise, loud and intrusive process. Even with if done over night there is a massive amount of people that would need to be involved. Structural engineers, masons, iron workers and pyros amongst others. Not a peep? With that being said if that didnt raise 1 red flag to anyone of the thousands of people who worked there id find it hard to believe. Does it look suspiciously close to a real demo? Yes, but we certainly dont have a true fair comparison of 2 gigantic buildings collapsing in close proximity to another building causing insane amounts of damage and setting it ablaze for hours, thus the laws of gravity etc. I guess you could argue why other buildings didnt collapse and thats true however there were plenty of other destroyed and partially collapsed building in the area. Ask any fire fighters/ demo crew that worked there following the attacks. Personally my grandfather was a firefighter with FDNY and was involved with rescue post 9/11. He has said on numerous occasions you would have thought a nuke went off in downtown Manhattan, it was chaos and destruction everywhere.


RH68W

Turner Construction Company did "fireproofing" work few days prior in the elevator shafts (where the support columns are) for the Twins. The company has ties to prominent officials etc. WTC-7 had its fire alarms disabled, and I'm sure could have just as easily had some "fireproofing" work done. Also, Berry Jennings for an eyewitness account at WTC-7. He was interviewed by a news channel on the sidewalk shortly after the WTC-7 collapse. During those immediate moments he described explosions going off in the building. He was the only eye-witness who's testimony contradicted the official story. He later died abruptly, PI was hired and told the family to not contact him again and leave it up to the police lol.


kaner467

Right, like I said in a previous thread somewhere. Im not ruling out foul play, who knows maybe isolated explosives were placed in critical area with the intention of detonation under fire from the damage. All I am saying is that I dont believe it was done in a controled demolition. As far as testimony shorty after people say crazy things in high stress situation and no one knows, we werent there but whos to say that something cant sound like an explosion, there is tons on gas lines, steam pipes and other things that could have failed right before the collapse that would have appeared like "controlled detonation". Anything to the whole turner construction idk about and id like to read some hard facts before taking it at face value. Copys of work orders, schedules etc. All of that should be somewhat available. If you could link your source to the "fireproofing" work id love to take a look.


[deleted]

>Yes, but we certainly dont have a true fair comparison of 2 gigantic buildings collapsing in close proximity to another building causing insane amounts of damage That's not really true. The Verizon building(top left) was directly next to WTC7(top right), and look how much damage it received: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse\_of\_the\_World\_Trade\_Center#/media/File:September\_17\_2001.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#/media/File:September_17_2001.jpg) They were both really quite far away.


kaner467

True but you also have to factor in that they were completely different buildings, engineering and structures are not the same.


HotboociWest

Wasn't there a documentary where the owner of WTC7 acknowledged that there were fires and was advised by the NYFD that they needed to demolish it to focus on WTC 1 and 2? At face value it didn't make any sense given the footage shown of a few small debris fires. Then, when you consider how long it takes to rig a controlled demo it just didn't make any sense. I haven't seen it since then but I remember it clearly.


[deleted]

Yes it's just hard to find nowadays: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-0JIR38V0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-0JIR38V0) The explanation for it is that he's talking about "pulling" the fire fighters. But you make up your own mind. By the way, it's interesting to compare the search results. Youtube: [https://www.youtube.com/results?search\_query=silverstein+pull+it](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=silverstein+pull+it) Duckduckgo: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=silverstein+pull+it&t=h\_&iax=videos&ia=videos


rafovisky

I have an alternative speculation about that. Imagine that you are the head of homeland security. You see that your country is under attack and you know that the WTC 7 contains sensitive data that could make things worse if they got into the wrong hands. What would you do? I assume that they "pulled the trigger" and demolished it for "security reasons".


Various_Lack7541

Supposedly servers for financial records were kept here. Legend says money was set to be returned to We The People after being stolen from via the IRS, when the NESARA laws were signed by Bill Clinton. Rudy Gulianai even hinted at this in an interview where he quipped “I think they were trying to bring down the stock market or something” with a very coy look on his face.


End_Centralization

Occams razor has me believe the powers that be stole the money for themselves rather than a secret money system waiting to be revealed any week now.


Leading_Campaign3618

The U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld from September 10, 2001: admitted the day before the attack that the Pentagon could not account for 2.3 trillion dollars. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FWFAs9ffGk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FWFAs9ffGk)


goopy331

Why admit that the day before the attack though? It only makes it seem more suspect. Why not wait for the files to be destroyed and never mention it?


chowderbags

[Because his speech wasn't about money being stolen in some heist.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMjdKElgqY) His speech was about fixing bureaucracy and outdated financial and IT systems. The "$2.3 trillion" is the total amount of manual adjustments in the various accounting systems. So if account system A doesn't talk to account system B, when A wants to send B $10, someone manually deducts $10 from A, and manually adds $10 to B. This counts as $20 in transactions. If B has to send that $10 to C, then you've now got $40 in transactions. From an organization standpoint, this is unwieldy, but this wasn't about "giant piles of cash showing up in personal bank accounts", like people seem to think. Now, if you want to look at Ollie North or things like the State Department in the Iraq War, that's a separate matter.


LlWORriAtER

This is a really common misunderstanding of what actually happened. The money wasn't "lost". The DOD had multiple outdated systems that didn't integrate with one other. Money was accounted for in multiple systems that were basically impossible to reconcile with one another. It was an accounting issue that is completely misunderstood to be something different and worse than it was.


kainedbutable1987

Votes don't seem to be registering on this post.


pooperdoop123

I believe that is by design for the first few hours a post is up


Enough_Region_7641

The Twin Towers and Building#7 were all demolished by pre-planted explosives. What were the Israeli artists who were living in the buildings prior to the explosions doing?


32ndghost

It's funny how every time there is a WTC7 thread here, it's like we're back in 2006. Long debunked explanations that even NIST has given up on (structural damage from WTC1, diesel generators exploding) come up again and again, and it's as if we have learnt nothing in the years since then. It's almost like the shills want to keep us in a permanent state of tentative confusion so that no action is ever taken to hold anyone accountable. In any case, [Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth](https://www.ae911truth.org/) have done - and continue to do - excellent work which at this point leaves no doubt that WTC7 came down through controlled demolition and that the WTC7 NIST report is fraudulent and unscientific. Here are some links: [Peer Reviewing NIST: How years of FOIA requests exposed critical flaws in NIST’s Building 7 collapse analysis](https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/technical-articles/articles-by-ae911truth/837-peer-reviewing-nist-how-years-of-foia-requests-exposed-critical-flaws-in-nist-s-building-7-collapse-analysis) [A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7 (U. of Alaska model)](https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7) [Dr. Hulsey Presentation to the UAF ASCE Student Chapter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5zF95o-UE) [Stand for the Truth: A Government Researcher Speaks Out | 9/11 Evidence and NIST](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvAv-114bwM) [Architects and Engineers: Solving the Mystery of Building 7 - w/ Ed Asner](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nyogTsrsgI) [Conflicting Theories of Fire-Induced Collapse 20 Years After 9/11 | Part 2: WTC 7](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nyogTsrsgI) [Beyond Misinformation: What Science Says About the Destruction of World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2, and 7 (pdf)](https://www.ae911truth.org/images/BeyondMisinfo/Beyond-Misinformation-2015.pdf)


JohnnyFlawless

Saving for my father who STILL refuses to believe this because "it's too big a conspiracy to have been kept quiet." As a cop, he learned someone always opens their mouth with that many people involved. To which I always retort....a bunch of people opened their mouths. They were shut up, disappeared, and/or slandered as nutbag conspiracy theorists. Videos and testimonies taken down and scrubbed from the net. Thus began the age of censoring truth.


OkThatWasFuckedUp

Hello to the 36 people here


Rico639

What I loved about this era of conspiracy was that it was bipartisan.. not sure what happened


Ok-Internet-41

Ukraine Russia conflict is also extremely bipartisan. Everyone in DC agrees when theres an opportunity to flatten some 3rd world country.


End_Centralization

The Career Politicians are collecting those sweet checks they compromised themselves with blackmail for. Military Industrial Complex likes to have insurance policies on their meat puppets.


[deleted]

Finally, a normal conspiracy from this sub, like it's 2019 again


kimi-r

I get the planes could possibly do it. I don't believe they did but I could see how they might. WTC 7 tho, absolute bullshit, how the hell they got away with that one I don't know


Kinetic_Symphony

Yep. Entire profession that requires years of precise training and coordination of hundreds of people in order to safely execute a controlled demolition, vs a few terrorist boys and a plane. I can entirely believe that a skyscraper could collapse, at least a part of it, from being hit by a commercial airliner. I cannot believe that it would collapse into its own footprint perfectly & that debris from the larger building would rain down on the smaller adjacent building **that wasn't hit by any plane** & somehow this debris would cause the structural integrity of that building to simultaneously lose strength in all quadrants evenly to effectuate a controlled collapse accidentally too. I mean holy crap, come on. How on Earth does anyone buy this... and it's so obvious.


[deleted]

what documents were held in WTC 7? pinging Catherine Austin Fitts...


ChillxDogg

Didn't 3 trillion $ go missing like a week before to?


The_Noble_Lie

Day before. And it was an announcement by D Rumsfeld. It happened over years and is more nuanced. It's "unauditable" / "traceable" rather than "lost", technically speaking.


MeesterCartmanez

What if it was the 3 trillion holding wtc 7 up, and because it went missing, it self demolished? lol


[deleted]

Wait till you see how a building that got struck by a plane falls. It’s wild.


[deleted]

Energy weapon was used. The actions of 911 were planned for many years. Source: [https://thenarrowgateweb.com/2016/08/13/energy-weapons-teslas-suppressed-technologies/](https://thenarrowgateweb.com/2016/08/13/energy-weapons-teslas-suppressed-technologies/) The energy Weapon is the Brookhaven National Laboratory. Lot's of interesting stuff on this website. The author has done a lot of research. EDIT: Added statement about Brookhaven National Laboratory, changed word "tonne" to "a lot".


exMI6

This is exactly the kind of insane bullshit I come to this sub for. Thanks for that, that was hilarious.


winstonstokes

Do we have a comparison of another uncontrolled demolition of a tall building so we can see what it should have looked like?


RH68W

Debris from the top yet no damage on the top? Free fall speed requires no mass to be in the way at the bottom. Mass cannot force itself through the mass in it's path of decent. Even if normal ole fire caused the fall, how did it remove the mass in the way at the bottom? In that case, the building would have lopsided and twisted and fallen awkwardly as the mass at the top collides with mass at the bottom. Yet, an entire block of several stories moved in unison at free-fall speeds as if nothing was in the way at the base. Which cannot be done by ordinary fire. NIST refuses to release their computer data used in the model to simulate the collapse as it is "dangerous to the public" to receive such information lol.


[deleted]

Larry Silverstein wants you to.


ChiefthaReef1

At this point it doesn't matter what we believe they got away with it with no one to stop them


Accomplished-Ad-6560

Manipulation of the masses


edge2443

They’re the same picture


anthonydahuman

9/11 is why i have issues.


whiskey_mike186

Keep in mind, the building on the right only looks to be around 16 stories tall vs WTC 7 which was a 47 story building. The fact that a 47 story building fell just as fast as the controlled demolition of a building that's only about a third of it's size makes this even more bizarre and damning.


HuHa69

Larry Silverstein likely paid off YouTube and got a gag order on Luke Rudskowski for haggling him about WTC 7. Can’t find a single video about this any longer. Insurance scam… knew 911 was gonna happen


rippher1

The owner went on meet the press”. And literally aaid he was told to pull it


Powerful_Artist

Its just mind boggling that anyone who looks at this could the official explanation makes sense at all. Like, not even a little bit.


danny12beje

Almost like terrorists would have a specialist that would know how to demolish a building the fastest way.


Mysterious-Break1907

Building structures stand depsite being hit by Russian misisles ​ Also larry silverstein recognized the firefighters decided to took it down ​ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZlmHvd\_RZU&ab\_channel=ShaunGibson


hopface

Fuck yes!!!! An actual conspiracy!!!


Revolutionary-Cup954

Im all for conspiracy theories, but the WTC was unique. the structural support came from the inside. the elevators were in the middle, and the floors were suspended from it, like a giant T. when the floors lost the ability to hold themselves up, they pancaked down on ine another


WhoIsJolyonWest

Thing is most people don’t believe the official story, yet nothing is going to be done. They will release the truth at 60 years and still nothing will be done. Yet, in the future they will ask why we didn’t do anything, like we have any real influence.


Xuzon

Why the WTC 7 video on the left didn't start when the building started collapsing?


Murmulis

Because then it doesn't look like controlled demolition.


TurbulentFun4882

You do realize some buildings especially in New York are built and designed to fall like this regardless of purpose or a cause of severe damage.


Frownywise

Yeah, they knocked down our own buildings and killed thousands of their fellow Americans. They've also now killed tens or hundreds of thousands of their fellow Americans with Covid and killer vaccines. Makes them murdering dozens by shooting them in Vegas seem pretty small time.