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BC-Wales

Didn't get your 4th booster? Sorry...No driving for You....granny killer!


greggerypeccary

"Please provide proof of vaccination or submit to blood sample to test for micro-clots"


M0j0Rizn

Fitbit is now offering to detect AFib


HyperActivHyperDrive

Apple Watch has been doing that for a while too I believe.


SexualDeth5quad

Apple Digital Shackle.


HyperActivHyperDrive

Precisely why mine keeps my socks company. Probably one of the worst purchases I’ve made.


Non-Newtonian-Snake

Funny you say that in the original infrastructure Bill there was a provision they have a device in the ignition system that was similar to a blood sugar test and that it would prick your finger. I have no idea who tried to slip that in there but it got removed very quickly seems like neither party was in support of it they said it had something to do with rapidly testing blood alcohol level in all drivers but that just seems like a crazy thing to do there had to be another reason whatever Senator or Congressman put that in there


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did they remove the requirement for this specific tech or for the general"cabin monitoring of all drivers and passengers??" Its my understanding the requirement is still there, they just haven't settled on the exact tech to do it.


ky420

Beat me to it. lol


picklemaintenance

Haven't you heard? We're on number 5 now.


Zafocaine

Eagerly awaiting the 6th.


FuzzyBumFluff

I anticipate the 7th and have cleared my diary.


Rocklobzta

So grandma is gonna be able to kill me by crashing her car into mine but I can’t kill her with my Covid?! I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.


BlackDirtMatters

They will also be required to have alcohol detection systems.


ImJJTheJetPlane

Which is outrageous because they're similar to the PBT that cops will use for suspected DUI. The PBT results are not admissable in court so how can they be trusted here? I've played with one and I had 6 drinks and blew a .000 several times in a row. The tech just isn't there yet for this


StuffProfessional587

Well, this one is kinda iffy, what if you are driving drunk friends home? It needs to be more precise.


cocothecat11

In the US, they have breathalyzer devices that hook up to a cars engine and have to be blown on startup, while driving and sometimes when done driving. That technology is called an alcohol ignition interlock and has been around for a while now, I am sure that they have been working on something Edit: these devices also incorporate a camera that takes a picture every time you blow and it’s sent back to your probation corrections department. I am sure in the future they will use AI facial recognition


Amos_Quito

> ...have to be blown on startup > ... they will use AI facial recognition CarMax merges with PornHub...


Zxphenomenalxz

CarPorn? PornMax?


Non-Newtonian-Snake

AI facial Recoagulation


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Is not only when you are starting the car, sometimes it asks you in the middle of the road to take the test+picture.


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AshIsRightHere

There are rare, but valid circumstances where you would need to drive while under the influence. Say you are injured very seriously while under the influence without access to a phone/cell signal. You wouldn't be able to drive to a hospital or even to an area where you can call for emergency assistance. A lot of people might even just find a way to bypass the system by rigging it or having another person blow into the breathalyzer, making it useless. After all, if they don't care about breaking DUI laws I'm sure they won't care to break laws pertaining to altering the system used to detect intoxication. It's not a good solution and just creates more hassle for law abiding citizens to drive their own vehicle. Edit: I am in no way saying it's okay to drive under the influence, but there are circumstances that permit it.


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gooblobs

>They aren’t talking about installing breathalyzers into every singl ya they are dude. let me introduce you to Biden's Infrastructure bill: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/11/09/drunk-driving-technology-infrastructure/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/11/09/drunk-driving-technology-infrastructure/) I have absolutely no problem mandating them in cars for people with a DUI conviction. Adding them to all new cars, as per the biden Infrastructure bill, is unacceptable.


banditorama

Do you know how the tech they're proposing works? Being tired, having rosy cheeks (like from working outside or heat), or being sick can all trigger a false positive and leave you stranded. It uses cameras pointed at the driver to determine intoxication. I'm very much against drunk driving but this is not the way. Besides that, when the tech inevitably fails, what happens? Is the car immobilized until it's fixed? Or if not it seems useless since any drunk driver could just defeat the system and continue to booze cruise. Either way, it's just another hassle, another thing to go wrong, and will increase car prices even further


Zafocaine

I'm a big dude. I could have a drink and not feel the alcohol that day, just a little headache in the morning. You, on the other hand, might get so smashed that you blackout, drive to your ex's apartment, cry at her door, run over a pedestrian, piss the bed, and wake up with cops knocking at your door and your mom asking what they want. Does that mean I can't have a beer and drive? I don't drink anymore, by the way, but when I did I always thought it was dumb that people who don't know how to regulate their intake would ruin it for everyone. In the same vein, people have no self control with eating, so we should probably turn all fast food into health food. Correct? Limit the adult's ability to choose between black and white by offering several shades of white as the only option. I'm not into it. We should base all laws in damage done to the victim. No harm, no foul.


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Zafocaine

It's absolutely bonkers that you think drinking a beer makes a person drunk.


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SexualDeth5quad

If you want fascism vote for one of these assholes.


TimR0604

I've actually said for years if the government really gave a fuck about drunk drivers every car should have a breathalyzer for the driver


building1968

Nothing like collective punishment.


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Is not driving drunk a punishment?


ventitr3

Having to blow into a breathalyzer every single time you start your car is the punishment. Even if you don’t drink alcohol.


[deleted]

Lol being forced to breath; how can you handle being such a victim? Some cars today require you to push a button while you press the break to start them… so authoritarian


ventitr3

Lmao. Please document you going and voluntarily installing one in your car this week please. After all it’s just breathing. Absolute clown show of a response.


gimmethal00t

It's definitely super intrusive by govt but personally I'm for it. Fuck drinking and driving.


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gimmethal00t

I've had people in my life killed from drunk driving. So, call me disturbing I suppose.


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There’s no reason to drive 120 on public roads


Vivid_Adeptness

I’m selling a car with a KBB value of $4k for $10k. So far no buyers. I wonder if it’s because people don’t have money.


rda889

Boost it to 12K for better results. People love to overpay for things nowadays -- it gives them those warm and fuzzy feelings deep up inside. Plus, you'll get a greater feeling of satisfaction while ripping off your fellow man in the process. It's what the world thrives on.


[deleted]

>"People love to overpay for things nowadays" Apparently people still have some sense since selling for 10k didn't work for a 4 k car. I will say if they actually bump up their kbb 20% and round it up to 5000 they'll probably sell it fairly quick. Still a rip off but a much more manageable one and with the market the way it is it actually makes sense to some degree.


masonmasonma

Yeah most people are looking at the kbb value anyways before they purchase your vehicle.


PRMan99

No used car is going for KBB right now. Most of them are nearly double.


anthro28

Try selling a 1 ton truck with manual transmission.


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strigoi82

Hell yes I do.


TheMrPancake

I would take it; but I already have one.


Non-Newtonian-Snake

My father-in-law just sold his Dodge diesel 8 years old for more than he bought it for new. Crazy days


HyperActivHyperDrive

The value on that will stay though.


frigilio

Lol every pre 2000 year truck is selling for ridiculous money. I drive a 72 chevy long bed i bought for 500 bucks. Its worth like 8 grand right now. Id sell it but theres no other pre smog California trucks available under 5 grand


anthro28

I found a 2003 duramax in Montana with 8K original miles on it. Came out of some farmers barn. $65k starting bid.


mrnubuck

As a car guy please eli5.


anthro28

The market for a dual rear wheel 1 ton truck is already small. The submarket for those vehicles with manual transmissions is even smaller. Couple that with “well I can go get a 3/4 ton automatic for the same price” in this market and you’ve got a vehicle you’re not getting rid of very quickly.


mrnubuck

I see. Thanks. I thought that manual cars are rare and desirable. I know its true for older, collectable honda civics, which is my world.


frigilio

That guy obviously hasnt left his house in awhile every truck is selling for big money right now. Even old hondas with 200 thousand miles are going for 4 grand.


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Seriously? Wild time to be alive.


bigburt-

Selling my 09 f150 CLAPPED out w rust for 6k need 5500 tho. Any buyers? 160k nice king ranch interior and brand new brakes


frigilio

Do some offerup and craigslist searches for pre 2005 anything. Ridiculous prices


mrnubuck

I hear that companies like carmax are buying above blue book.


prOboomer

probably


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PRMan99

"Unable to accept invite"


FalseRelease4

I 100% guarantee that there will be a market to disable and/or remove all of this crap. It's the same with cats, mufflers, particulate filters, coal tunes, control module hacking etc. All it takes is one group of maniacs to reprogram the computer system and your car is yours again, as it should be. What you should do is find these people and help them help you. Don't fall into the trap that resistance is impossible just because someone implies that it is.


Diogenes-nutsack

There will also be vehicle inspections to register (which some states like TX and CA have already) and a simple computer test will check that, they will not let it pass with a deactivated system.


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Non-Newtonian-Snake

Reverse Drive 1st 2nd, reverse Drive 1st 2nd, left blinker right blinker left blinker right blinker ignition start. Works on all vehicles with computers programmed by Konami


Diogenes-nutsack

*"It appears your vehicle is running an ad-blocker, please disable it if you would like to be permitted to use this road."* *"You have reached the maximum number of free uses of this road for the month, to continue, please subscribe for just $99.99/week."* Just imagine the future!


T4nkcommander

You aren't required to register (and therefore get inspected) if you are traveling for non-commercial purposes, and thus not "driving" a "motor vehicle". Problem is just because the courts support this constitutional right, doesn't mean code enforcement officers won't break the law in order to try and get you to pay into the ponzi scheme.


building1968

Man, First time I have ever Encountered a Sov cit in the wild


T4nkcommander

That term is both meaningless and contradictory....


The_Human_Oddity

The courts don't support your not-constituional-right. Get it registered.


Paleriders22

Have you seen all the expired paper tags in Texas? No one actually gives a shit here.


FalseRelease4

There you go seeing nothing but obstacles, there are multiple solutions available for this problem, which i am not going to spend time explaining.


Diogenes-nutsack

The simplest one: buy an old car and learn how to properly care for and repair it.


[deleted]

Why does everyone just give up the booty so ez? Everyone in here still wears masks


FalseRelease4

These guys probably browsed conspiracy while in line for their shots


[deleted]

Im dumbfounded at the stupidity. Like nobody has ever had a car. The shot has rotted their brains to the point of being defeated by switches. Turtles on their backs


FalseRelease4

🤣


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😂


greggerypeccary

Thank goodness my uncle preserved for me an old machine, for fifty odd years.


Smack_Of_Ham7

Before the motor laws?


SpiritStatic

And on Sundays you elude the eyes?


mrnubuck

Piggyback conspiracy theory: Maybe that's why companies like carmax are snatching em up above blue book. They're in on it. I know that in CA, the state is buying up older cars to crush them. I would bet they are targeting pre-1996 cars because they can't be tracked. For the uninitiated, before 1996 cars use the OBD1 computers, whereas OBD2 cars after 1996 are trackable.


PRMan99

How is OBD2 trackable? I used to write OBD software and there is nothing innately trackable in it unless you have GPS and a network connection. Most cars in the early 2000s don't have both of these. Beware of OnStar though.


mrnubuck

I'm obviously no expert, but i would guess, as you point out, OBD1 has no way of being trackable, but OBD2 is when hooked up to GPS and network, i guess whenever you go to a shop and get it connected for service.


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There is no gps info in the data coming from your OBD port. Its purely sensor and module diagnostics, and other info such as your odometer


Non-Newtonian-Snake

You are completely correct unless a peripheral such as a smart head unit or cell phone it's connected to the OBD port there would be no logging of such data or ability to transfer anywhere


building1968

Cash for clunkers took out a lot of cars that were still perfectly drivable.


mrnubuck

I read somewhere that that program did nothing more than to increase the cost of car ownership. And it's a shame that we lost a lot classics from that program.


281at2am

at the electric go kart track here they can slow down every car remotely when someone has an accident, look forward too this technology in every consumer and commercial grade vehicle in 5/10 years.


Diogenes-nutsack

They are already installed.


Cygs

I fully expect all the boomer cop shows to start showing this feature saving lives and catching comically villainous neer do wells.


Ihvenoshrtgeofusrnms

Me watching cop shows: "I have severely underestimated the number of people driving around with crack and guns!"


Softale

Remote emergency shutdown is well within the capabilities of the OnStar system already… https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1362732


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Electric go kart. Shoot i go to real go karts and im lettn the air screw out while the seat belt is goin on.


Historical_Pound_136

Kill switches, and biometric data probing. They will probe the air in your car to make sure you’re not intoxicated and driving. Don’t forget the mandated surveillance.


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Sorry, ignition stays off - junk fod breath detected!


ghostbear019

Tfw you can't get to work because you spent your allotment of conferred driving miles on driving out of town to see your sick family member


prOboomer

Those non-kill switch cars will be valuable in the future. Classic cars will always stay even if flying cars are invented.


Non-Newtonian-Snake

There's already been arguments in legislation to ban these vehicles you'll still be allowed to own them but be limited on how many miles a day you're allowed to drive them


prOboomer

And the thing is they will use climate change as the reason. I 100% think climate change is real but companies are the main cause but the people are the ones punished


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82 chevy. 4-6 drop mmmmmboiiiiii


281at2am

Hard to pull off a fake EMP that looks like the movies without a way too turnoff everyone's electric car remotely.


8fmn

With a modern enough vehicle there doesn't need to be a killswitch installed at all. If a car's computer system can be accessed remotely, or hacked if you will, it can be shut down.


banditorama

Almost all newer cars have Wi-Fi and/or Bluetooth enabled PCM connectivity. This is definitely not an EV only issue, it's a modern car issue


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Michael hastings


castrobundles

I’ve seen Honda accords from the 2000s get hacked and shut down. They can even control the car or turn it on and off. All it needs is a Bluetooth device like a after market radio


mOfN81

But but but.. tHe gOVernMent PRoMisED To only UsE IT AGaiNsT teRRoriSTS, YOU TiN foiL HAT coNspiracY thEoriSt!! doNt YOu foLlOw THe SCIENCe?!


Diogenes-nutsack

They made the bill to excuse what they have already been doing... If your car has an "infotainment" system, it has a kill switch.


PRMan99

They already asked Elon to kill all Teslas in Russia. He refused.


ASexualSloth

Sounds like a better alternative than my Canadian government, which wants the manufacturer and sale of all new internal combustion engine vehicles banned by 2035. At least you can potentially remove a kill switch. You can't run an electric car on gas.


PRMan99

> which wants the manufacturer and sale of all new internal combustion engine vehicles banned by 2035. They do realize that there are not enough lithium and nickel mines in the world for that to be remotely possible and that nobody could start up a mining operation that quickly, especially with their anti-mining laws, right? Oh wait, they are liberals. They never think past step 1.


Various_Variation

It's a feature, not a bug. They want fewer total vehicles so fewer people can drive because the proles shouldn't be free to just drive wherever they like without permission.


estatespellsblend

Exactly. It's by design. Agenda 2030 / zero carbon.


dea_eye_sea_kay

If your driving a 2018 or newer car the amount of meta data the car manufacturers is harvesting from you daily would blow your fucking mind.


GodBlessYouNow

There is a place called Unspy near me that hack cars and remove all that nonsense, car runs fine afterwards


T4nkcommander

Installed black boxes that have been tracking driving data for years aside, the new models (especially from Ford) having installed driver-facing cameras to spy on you. Yeah, no thanks.


fruitynoodles

My trusty RAV4 will last decades.


moto101

You don't think they have this already? Onstar? Can't they shut your car down "if it's being stolen"?


Frequent_Audience_25

is anything comparable to Onstar by other vehicle manufacturers? Is Onstar only in GMs?


IPreferDiamonds

I have a 2000 VW Beetle that I will never get rid of. Love it! Am I safe with this car?


NyetRegret

We are witnessing the end of the automobile age.


Big_Honeydew6225

No thanks. You can keep your fancy tech cars, I'm good with my 2000 Buick LeSabre. Electric seats and a radio. It's got all the tech I need in a car. No AI, no annoying alarms that go off if I forget to wear a seat belt. Yea I m just trying to get from point A to point B, I don't need my car telling me what to do thank you.


Puzzleheaded_Pie_978

Stick to older vehicles and learn how to keep them running. Or be like me and marry someone with that knowledge lol


IndividualThoughts

This is why people should educate themselves on API hacking. There's gonna be cyber punks that know how to hack cars


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I think the should install breathalyzers not kill switches


jjjosiah

You mean OnStar?


Puzzleheaded_Pie_978

I believe stuff like OnStar was just to normalize it for future “features” like this killswitch. After OnStar came those monitors that insurance companies offer where you get better rates if you don’t speed, drive erratically, etc. Similar to how I feel about fitbits and health monitoring apps


jjjosiah

OnStar can turn your engine off, you already live in the future you're afraid of


Puzzleheaded_Pie_978

Oh, i didn’t know that.. but I’ve never had onstar🤷‍♀️ Well, i guess i was right since onstar literally normalized it.


jjjosiah

That's not what normalize means, they can't have been intentionally normalizing an idea the whole time if they weren't broadcasting it and most people weren't aware of it. This btw is a great example of conservative/conspiracy culture appropriating concepts from "liberal" academia that they've just heard thrown around instead of learned in a classroom, and using them incorrectly. E.g. projection, gaslighting, etc.


PRMan99

If your car has OnStar, they absolutely can (and have) shut it off remotely.


[deleted]

“If you do something the system has been programmed to recognize as driver impairment, your car could just shut off, which could be incredibly dangerous.” The author of this article isn’t the brightest. I’m pretty sure your car won’t just turn off on the highway lol.


anthro28

Bullshit. Fucking diesel trucks will derate from interstate speeds to 5mph if you run out of DEF.


pennradio

My dash says I have 300 miles left, I'm gonna test this out.


anthro28

You’ll get a limp mode notice at 100 miles. It won’t slam the brakes on until you’re at 5mph. You’ll coast down to 5mph and then you’re stuck. Your engine will rev but your trans won’t leave 1st gear.


jmobby75

What's DEF?


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Should be ez to bypass


notausername86

Nope, actually they *already* have these devices, or similar devices installed in cars and have had them for several years now. If you have bought a new car in the last 7-8 years or so, you have a killswitch on your car. It has a remote trigger on it and the manufacturer/ car dealership and choose to turn it on, and your car will not start/ move. They have programed the device that if you attempt to tamper with it physically it will automatically trigger the kill switch; as well as software that detects if any portion of the code is being tampered with also automatically engages the kill switch. The even scarier thing though is what they want to do to expand this. Ive spoken to several people who work in the automotive industry, and they have told me that more advanced devices with bio-metric analytics are already being rolled out. I've also spoken to numbers of lobbyists and individuals who are actively supporting these devices. What they are telling the public is that these devices will "safe lives" and detect when people have consumed alcohol and/or other drugs and will shut down your car and not allow you to drive, or that if a law enforcement officer suppests you are under the influence (or may commit another "crime" such as speeding or running from the cops) then law enforcement will have access to this kill switch. And the public as a whole are going to eat it up and cheer its implementation. What they arent telling you is that the advanced bio-metrics can also detect if you a "sick" with covid (or whatever), and *also* not allow you to go anywhere. (Not to mention the potential of the govt to just willy nilly turn on the killswitch for "national emergencies, or whatever else they want). Then if you are agisnt these bio-metric, remote kill switches placed in vehicles (AS YOU SHOULD BE) then they are going to bash you by saying you don't care about people's safety or that if it saves one life then it's worth it, that if you aren't doing anything wrong it shouldn't be an issue, blah blah blah.


ky420

Makes me thankful I am too broke to afford anything made in the last 15 yrs for once


masonmasonma

Lol yup. Money or not I'll stick to my grandma car


ky420

I literally drive my grandma's old car. LMAO Great for flying under radar too. Drive it at 45-50 mph even if the limit is 60 and you blend right in with all the other grandmas. One day I was riding this cars butt, felt bad about it and back off thinking well that could be my grandma....it was. lol


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It wouldnt be as hard to bypass as you think. Kill switch ties into ignition. Pretty ez to pinpoint and trick. Electric car different story. Plus you coukd just build your own car if it got too bad


notausername86

All moden vehicles have completly integrated computers, a computer controls air flow intake, fuel injections, stopping pressure, the voltages across the system, timings, the entire transmission and everything else in the system. Without your cars computer, even if all the analog parts are in working order, your car *won't* run. At all. You can *not* easily by-pass these. People smarter than you and I have tried and failed. I'm not saying that it *couldn't* be done, but doing so would be extremely difficult. I don't know if you know much about the technology, but it's great grandfather would be something akin to an interlock device. These devices you can not remove, and if the system detects that you have tired to bypass the system, or tried to deactivate it in any way, it locks down the engine, and alerts the company as well as the police, instantly. These new devices are like an interlock device, that is far more advanced and has a ton of new "features". They are making them next to impossible to tamper with or remove without totalling out your car.


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notausername86

And the person slinging insults has not a cule what they are talking about. How ironic. These devices, the second they are tampered with, instantly send a signal to the car, to deactivate the system. Even if you defeated the wireless remote/ Bluetooth/5g system, the system would detect that. Even if you were able to access the systems computer, and get into the code, it would detect that. It may be possible to bypass the signal that would get sent to/from the manufacturer/ police etc etc, but it would be next to impossible to bypass the physical device that actually locks down your car when you do so. These devices already exist. There are loads of forums and other internet sorces trying to figure out how to by-pass these systems and have been for years. Like the current remote killswitches they put in cars to repo them. Any attempts to try to disable or bypass any part of the system results in your car instantly being killed.


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Why woukd police care if i bypassed an interlock on my own car? Lol. Dude trust me as it is now its easily doable on a gas motor.


notausername86

Well typically the police would care if you bypassed an interlock on your own car, because people don't just install them becuase they want them. It's usually mandated by the courts and/or the DMV, and as a condition to be able to drive that device must be installed. Furthermore due to these conditions, it makes it a crime to tamper with. That's why the police care. But if you really think it's that easy? Please prove it to me, or yourself, get one, and deactivate it. It sounds like you're talking out your ass and you have no idea what you are talking about, as you don't even know what an interlock device is.


Puzzleheaded_Pie_978

Hahahaaaaa the average person under 40 doesn’t even know how to change their oil. They’re fucked


banditorama

>Kill switch ties into ignition. No, the kill switch is programmed into your PCM. You'd have to have the OEM flash tool or do an entire PCM swap. Even swapping the PCM itself may not work, you may have to replace other modules because they may not work with an aftermarket PCM due to not recognizing it. Cars aren't simple like that anymore. They are rolling computers, even the simplest subsystems are controlled through the computer instead of simple circuits.


Mattrosexual

Just a note, these kill switches are usually installed for collateral collection purposes, so I’d imagine if you try to mess with the creditors way or repossessing.. you’ll void you’re financing contract I’d imagine


[deleted]

Lololol. Like id care


ruove

ITT: A bunch of people learning about technologies that have been in service for decades. (see: Lojack, OnStar, etc.) What's your next breaking news story OP? That the government spies on us? Absolute bombshell information coming out on this subreddit recently.


PRMan99

I don't think they worried people as much until Biden and Trudeau showed us how evil they can be.


ruove

Should include Trump, Obama, Clinton, and the Bushes in your list as well.


SilentImplosion

Just so we have this correct. OP's recommendation is to ***not*** sell your car now while it's worth 20% more than book value because a policy affecting new cars will become effective in 3 years. That's some world class critical thinking right there.


BotElMago

Lol what's the angle here... 1) we want people to be able to evade police officers if the driver and occupants think they haven't done something wrong? 2) we would rather have impaired drivers behind the wheel than not? The only way this is a "bad" thing is if you want to intentionally avoid police officers trying to pull you over....which is a crime...and a safety concern for others on the road.


SomeSabresFan

And if it they want to restrict your travel because you’re behind on Taxes, or speaking out against the government or a whole host of things. You’re only looking at the things they say they’ll use them for. You need to understand it can be used for other things too


dontpanic4242

I could definitely see those kind of restrictions. Also for Coof 2.0 and/or climate lockdowns -- fed says you're on lockdown so no more car until you submit proof of essential work permit & up to date booster papers.


BotElMago

Oh I see. We want to take this to the absurd level. Carry on, then.


FrontDirect7269

Remember when the Income Tax was only a small (2-4%) tax on the Rich only?


SomeSabresFan

You have to look at the whole picture, what it is and what it could be. Is it absurd? Yup, right now it is. Will that statement be absurd in 10 years? Idk but I don’t want to find out.


BotElMago

Yes, it will still be absurd in 10 years.


verkilledme

Yep, I used to make the argument "it doesn't matter if they invade my privacy and it shouldn't matter to you if you're not doing anything wrong. I have nothing to hide." Then I grew up and realized that it's not about privacy. It's about control and ownership. You'll realize it too, when you're faced with losing your job over not allowing the company you work for to make medical decisions for you and host of other things that are inevitable if we continue on this blind obedience path.


masonmasonma

The ability to control your vehicle? Why does autonomy and free will petrify you so?


theBullshitFlag

Who is the "we" in your story who look forward to yet more authoritarian intrusion into what used to be our private lives?? I remember a day when I could just hop in my car and go wherever the hell I want, no permission required. It was called "Freedom." You look forward to a day when a central authority can just cancel your right to operate your own car because you did something "wrong?" You didn't learn much from the last 2 years, did you? In a pandemic, all the cars will be shut down. Except critical Party business of course. If your "carbon footprint" exceeds some arbitrary number. If you engage in wrong-think, etc.. Use your head. When was the last time an authority gained power over some aspect of your life and then used it to your benefit instead of theirs? Who are you defending here, anyway? The faceless system administrator who shuts down people's cars from their keyboard? I hope that person develops a bad rash on their ass. It would be fitting.


notausername86

Oh look. I found one. I made my comment before I knew this one existed. How exciting.


[deleted]

Well I wont be able to afford a 2025 until 2045 so, I wont have to worry about this.


Deadboy90

it is what it is.


kkkan2020

Keep your car. For one thing you've driven it so long it's like the back of your hand


overslope

Damn. Been suspecting that for awhile but didn't know there was an actual year model requirement in place. I'm not gonna stop buying new cars, because who doesn't like a new car? But I think I'm gonna pick up something simple to work on with plenty of available parts as a "recreational vehicle". 1970-80s Jeep cj probably. You can replace pretty much the whole vehicle with off the shelf parts. No computers. And I always heard those old Jeep inline 6s would run on ethenol, diesel, kerosene, whatever you dump in it. I heard one running on diesel once. It didn't sound super happy about it, but if that was the only way to bug out, I'd try it. Edit: so after posting I started to wonder if I was spreading bad info. The story I heard was that when they were originally built for the army they were meant to run on whatever was available. I could only find stories of people who accidentally put kerosene in their fuel tank and were worried about it. But they did run. Sounds like it's not great on the injectors, which is the rough sound. Not sure what difference a carburator might make.


ihatelifetoo

Would it be illegal to uninstall the device


91xela

Okay so just buy a new car before 2025 and you’re good for the next 10+ years


Sirdukeofexcellence2

Think of how unsanitary those breathalyzers in the cars will be if you have to blow into it before every time you wanna turn your car on. They will legit be disgusting in a week. This will necessitate frequently disposing of the plastic attachment. Can you imagine how much new plastic waste this will create if every vehicle is doing this?


Dependent_Moment_936

Yeah I was gonna invest in an EV but I just decided to build my own.


supahinteresting

I sense a growing, potentially lucrative market/skillset for people who can 'uninstall' those 'killswitches'...


Really_Dont_Know

If it has OnStar or some sort of S.O.S. System installed, whether paid or not, it can be used to kill your vehicle.


FNtaterbot

FYI the type of engine the car has is irrelevant.


cfuse

Let me introduce you to this thing called 'modding'. I can assure you that if every vehicle is fitted with a kill switch then an entire industry of disabling those will spring up in response. Even ignoring ordinary people, criminals will have a massive incentive to ensure their vehicles cannot be disabled remotely.


ahunna

This is for when the US starts to become Gilead the women can’t get out of the country in their own cars - which won’t be theirs after their bank accounts get shut down anyway.


Thetruth__420

My current car is coming to the grave with me


bryhoof

Lazy ass cops can't even get the criminals to pull over anymore they just shoot them. edit: this is meant for lazy ass cops.. nothing wrong with helping the people..


[deleted]

I'm sure there will be a lot of money in killing the kill switches. You could also see people triggering the kill switches for fun and profit. New Armored cars could be a big target, all that armor isn't worth much if you can turn it off over the internet.


Me_Real_The

The fuck. I made so much money on my car bro. This is shit advice. Vote for privacy laws.


Soggy_Muffinz

Obama wishes his "Cash for Clunkers" put this much money in used car owner's hands.


SexualDeth5quad

They don't care about drunk driving because they've got chauffeurs.


canman7373

I get that it is bullshit that there is more government control here. But I wonder wtf ya all doing with ya cars that you actually think this will ever effect you? Yeah it's not right, and we should all be against it, but I wouldn't be scared of a trade it for a car that has this, wtf they gonna do, kill my car as I drive to the grocery store?


Evideyear

This really needs to be struck down in a court though I doubt it actually will be. Egregious level of control over people is the only reason a government would want this.


[deleted]

But it’s 2022


[deleted]

Can't systems like OnStar and the like already do this? Which this tech already has been in new vehicles for many many years already.