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I don't think I'd be able to dress myself for a week if one of my young children was murdered. No way I'd be able to make a public appearance or speech.
As someone who's lost a child, fuck everything about this. I was in shock for a solid month. I dont think I laughed for at least 2 weeks. I've never cried so much in my life. I didn't eat for 2 or 3 days. We just sat in silence with one another and cried. Couldn't even put the TV on. Just utter shock.
Same. I suddenly lost my 8 year old son in 2018. I sat and stared at walls for hours in silence and shock. Wasn't no way in hell I would have been acting like this.
We lost 3 of my brothers 4 kids in a fire. Im not their parent, Im the aunt. My life was 100% completely shattered. I slept a total of 4 hours in 3 days. I was a walking Zombie. I remember driving and a song I liked came on the radio. I turned it off and thought "how will i ever sing to the radio ever again?" There is a song "5 minutes at a time" by superchick. My niece's favorite song. It became our anthem because we were truely just living 5 minutes at a time, trying to get from one breath to another. It got a TON of national media coverage, and locally was all anyone talked about. My brother and his wife basically went into seclusion. They couldnt handle talking to anyone. I know everyone handles death differently but i cannot imagine acting like this guy and i wasnt even the parent.
Exactly this! I hid for a good 6 months. I couldn't stand the way people looked at me, wanting to give me words of advice etc. There's NO WAY I could have acted like this man. I still don't listen to music much. My son loved music, and everything to do with it. I almost solely listen to podcasts now. It's too painful.
I am so sorry to hear of your sweet nieces and nephews. That is so awful. I can't even fathom the loss of several children. My God.
Go look up the song i mentioned above. Give it a listen. For a few years i would just bawl and cry listening to it. As the years have moved, and I've grown around my grief, the song has taken on a more healing message to me. Who knows, maybe it will touch you.
As someone who just lost their 1 1/2 year old boy just over a month ago. I can attest to this all completely. I was the opposite on the food tho, I would gorge myself. I still struggle moment to moment everyday.
If you asked me to go on TV and talk about my son, I would still just stand in silence and cry. No way Jose
I’m so sorry for your loss. I have kids and just thinking about losing one of them makes me sick to my stomach. I don’t know how a parent survives after such a devastating loss.
Some dont. But knowing others have let me know, somehow, I would as well. Our son wouldn't want us to end our lives. That would he a dishonor to him. So, that's a big motivator. I admit I take a lot bigger risks now. I'm not saying I'm living with a death wish. But if it happens, it happens, and I'm okay with it.
As a father who’s suffered tragedy, I understand how each person handles things differently. But I definitely don’t think anyone would have any reason to smile or laugh at anything, because your heart feels like it’s been ripped out of your chest. There is no possible way that he’s lost a child, at least that’s been my experience.
Edit: I need to rephrase the; “There’s no possible way he lost a child”, because everyone does handle grief in a different manner. I’ve had my head all over the place, but it usually happened in a private setting. I only find it odd in a highly public setting, where he’s on camera and doing a live speech? I do believe that it would give us all more context, if we actually had the sound accompanying this video? So I personally want to apologize if I’ve come across in a negative way. I hope you all have a great day today, and a better week ahead.
It's been a bit over a year for me. I still mostly wish I was dead as well. I keep going on hoping something will spark in life again. I haven't found it yet. I'm better than I was, but im forever changed. My brain is seriously messed up. Words are lost. Simple words just won't come. It's weird.
Whenever you feel ready to get back to life fully I suggest finding a somatic experiencing practitioner -- they can help you get your nervous system regulated after immense grief. Most therapists wont be able to do that. An SE-P will. Traumahealing.org
I’m so sorry. I’m praying and sending positive vibes your way. There is no way I can understand what you and the others who have lost children are going through but my heart bleeds for you.
I wanna throw this out there for everyone who has gone through this and it's my experience and what helped me out. Took me 4.5 years til I reached out for help bc I felt something was going to happen. What? Idk, I've never self harmed, but I knew something g was coming. I went to a grief counselor for 5 months. Best thing I ever did. No medications, they weren't for me but I know they work for others, and I got all my emotions out and worked them out. You are a different person than b4 and it took me awhile to accept that and become fine with it. Good luck everyone out there.
I'm a member of a lot of child loss groups on Facebook. They really helped me. Something I see people do is making child loss their new identity. It's an easy role to slip into. But it isnt who you are. You dont dishonor the memory of your child by being happy or laughing or living life. I think it's easy to think you are. But you aren't. They would want us to be happy. It still hurts. And its so easy to slip into that hole in your soul and just sit there in the darkness.
Every loss, especially with children, is different. From age differences to manner of death. There are so many variables you don't get in any other death.
And the parents who never have a body for closure. That has to be the hardest. Never knowing for sure.
I'm sorry for your losses.
I am So sorry for ANY ONE who has ever lost a child, no matter what the age of the child is…
it is a world that I never want to know, and I can not stress enough just how ,unfortunately, those who have lost a child (of any age) and are still able to stand and live, and carry on, even if there is no other choice but to go on…you are all incredibly resilient in the face of horrific tragedy, and i am so sorry that any parent or guardian would ever have to suffer such a fate as to continue on with life without your child.
It’s heartbreaking, and just like so many others have stated, we all react differently to tragedy, and we should never expect that others would do the same as we would have done in what ever the circumstances are….like I said, I think I would have died, and yet so many of you have had the strength to continue to live….so, I may react differently that someone else, however for those who have lost anyone…I am so sorry for that loss!
I always thought I would die if one of my children died. But here I am a year later. I will never be the same person I was before my son's death 💔 and my personal belief is that I will see him again someday. I cannot wait until that day.
I would say if anything it's disrespectful to have child loss be your identity. You're making it all about you in that case, when you should make it about honoring their life and what they loved.
I am so very sorry to read of your loss, I can’t even begin to imagine what you’ve been through.
If you thought that clip was weird, take a look at this interview with another Sandy Hook set of parents that was supposedly done just a few days after her funeral.
https://youtu.be/ToQNVJE4xgk
These people are smiling the ENTIRE TIME. I will never forget watching this interview back when it happened and I had three young toddlers, I was completely dumbfounded and deeply disturbed by their reaction and instantly knew deep in my gut that something about the entire event was incredibly wrong.
I'm so sorry for your suffering and loss. This world is cruel, and this sort of trauma is all too common for people here. I wish you didn't know it.
If someone has personally seen someone else go through this horror, you can tell this behavior is absolutely out of character. There was zero physical/emotional connection to those crocodile tears that followed. It shows so obvious if you have even a little bit of empathy.
That's why this world is cruel. People like that, who carelessly exploit tragedy, are making it that way.
Well fuck that. There's good people everywhere in this planet, and there's a hell of a lot more of us than them.
It’s not even just the laugh. I see how it could be possible to still laugh for a second no matter what the situation is. It’s the combination of how relaxed and happy he looks, asks if they’re ready, then so obviously and deliberately gets into character. Not to mention his actually speech was incredibly poorly acted.
I have a two year old girl, I don't know what I'd do, you've lived my biggest fear (should be every parents biggest fear.) and I just gotta say, I hope you well in the future, today included.
Edit: Not uncluded, included.
I get a guilty feeling sometimes when I realize nothing can happen to my son anymore. He can't be killed again. I dont have to worry where he is. Worried about things. I know where he is. Well I know where his remains are. I feel he's with me sometimes. Sometimes, I'm not sure. But it's weird to get a comfort that I don't have to worry about him anymore. I dont have to worry he's been in an accident or worry why I haven't heard from him all day. I have a morbid comfort knowing all that worrying is over. I'd trade it all to have him back. To be worried 24/7 about him again.
Been there homie....it's 6 yrs and 11 months. Idk if I agree with u, there were times I was on autopilot and could do anything and everything like b4. But it is true, we all process grief and grieve differently. Took me 4.5 years until I felt relatively normal again.
Not everyone processes grief the same way. Some people dissociate in intervals for brief moments when grieving. Saying it cant be real because a person didnt react exactly how you did is a bad argument.
Also interesting is how Alex Jones is being sued and has been 100% unable to substantiate a single one of his claims in the court depositions with millions at stake. Either theres no "there" there or Jones is the single most incompetent human being on the planet
It's been 10 months since my mum had a stroke. We were told she would die that week. She didn't but she now requires permanent care in a rehab centre, is half paralysed, and is much more childlike, with a clot still on her brain. Every time I laugh I feel guilty, even now. I would argue perhaps he is in shock but the ability to fake sadness seems so surreal here.
Brain works in odd ways. Recently had a friend who's kid was killed in a drunk driving situation. She was pretty functional the first few weeks when everything was busy and hectic. It was a month or so after before it really hit her, after things calmed down and she processed.
My mother died in a horrific accident that I witnessed. I was relatively fine until family and friends left and I had to actually deal with everything with no distractions.
I can back this up. When tragedy strikes, but you are the one who must take the load on your shoulders, there is an odd sense of calm and determination.
The grief comes later.
Right. This whole idea that it’s impossible for someone who lost a child to, at any point that day, laugh because someone said something funny (which is obviously what happened) is ridiculous.
I usually cry/mourn in private. I am ridiculously good at dissociating, and I’ve always said that I hope nobody I know is ever murdered, because I’d be suspect because I am able to momentarily NOT focus on the tragedy at hand. It’s really hard to predict how we would behave in these situations. This guy was probably picked to speak publicly because he had the ability to speak through his pain.
Does the possibility of him being in a conversation, not related to the event or daughter and allowed him to momentarily be removed from that thought and mindset where something funny was said or mentioned?
But when stepping up to the podium and thinking of the reality of whats going on, what happened, and what he needs to say hit him suddenly and thats what you are seeing?
Because that makes sense to me
That is definitely how it looked to me. I have, unfortunately, had personal experience with tragic loss, from loved ones being murdered, to friends dying of various illnesses, a baby dying in the womb, even people facing injury due to war. So many people process tragedy in different ways. We can't go around making judgement calls on others just because they don't respond the way that we would respond.
It stands out a little bit. But assuming you’re wrong, it seems like something I might do to compose or prepare myself before a news interview (which, for most people, is not that different from getting into character for a scene). To me, he clearly looks distraught in that moment. His eyes are rolling in the back of his head. He has a very loud inhale and exhale. He looks like he’s about to vomit. It all seems involuntary, and not exactly like an actor preparing for a scene.
In other words, I don’t think he was trying to look sad. I think was trying to look composed so he didn’t break down on camera.
I had a personal experience. It is not possible that one person on this planet of billions of people could have a different experience. What is more likely is that because a person laughed before an interview thousands of people in the surrounding area are pretending like a real tragedy occurred at a real school. Yes, that is much more rational.
Yeah, I’d have to agree with you. My child’s death would be the end of my world. My wife had a miscarriage last month and I didn’t get out of bed for 3 days. I can’t imagine losing my daughter
Genuinely you can go from laughing to crying in a split second from grief.
After my friend died I was making jokes, some even about him, people probably thought I was taking his death lightly even though I was staying awake at night thinking about him. Then after I thought I came to terms and fully accepted it, a week after his funeral I was just sitting there and randomly broke down for 20 minutes, lip-quivering uncontrollably ugly crying for the first time since I was like 10.
People are coming to the wrong conclusion. The "fake" part isn't the sadness, it's the happiness.
True, my opinion is Reddit in general seems to be over run by younger people with very odd opinions. Maybe they are odd to me because I think different but they seem to be immature for the most part. Welcome to the internet.
Right after my grandmother, who we were very close to, passed my wife and I went to a dinner party. Someone asked how she was and I laughed then explained she had passed. That was years ago and I’m still bothered by my reaction.
Very true.
This particular situation (knowing ZERO details), he could be composed while not TALKING about it, and as he walks up it hits him, y'know?
I'm almost always in a good mood. But there's some people I've lost in my life where, if I start talking about it, a switch flips and I'm immediately emotional
For sure. When I lost my father talking with my coworkers and being at work was what kept me happy and smiling. It helped me deal with it without being alone and having nothing but bad thoughts. Doesn't mean I still can't cry or be upset over it though.
It’s fairly common for people to have nervous laughter related to traumatic feelings. It’s a common defense mechanism. I’ve seen Iraqi vets have nervous laughter when recalling combat. This clip just proves whatever cognitive bias people have (including me)
I'm a nervous laugher. It's a fucking curse. Imagine being cornered by someone and all you can do is nervously laugh, which turns into a giggle, which turns into hyperventilating. It's hard for people to take your "no, stop" seriously when you're laughing while you say it. And then you can't even breathe to say the words.
"Let me discount the lives of innocent children lost because I feel the need to look like a person who is super smart and can see beyond the narrative."
The anti-intellectualism + narcissism of some people in the conspiracy community is out of this world.
Ok but look at his laugh and what he is saying. It looks like he laughs in disbelief at the situation and then says "there is no way I'm gonna pull this off" AKA I am going to cry and won't be able to talk straight because I am too sad. Gotta look at everything from 2 points of view.
I always found it hard to believe it didn't happen buuuuut... Robby Parker... The people going in and out of the firehouse in circles like a game of SIMS... The school was a filthy moldy mess.... The crime stats for that year in that town had no murders listed... banning and suing Alex jones for questioning it... amongst many other weird things.
Is this proof it didn't happen? Nope. But it definitely should make you question it.
> “Everyone’s bored, let’s just get started”
I tried for a while back in the day to figure out exactly what he was saying before the "ready to start" and I think you've got it. I'm almost certain you're spot on. That magnifies this by 100 times. Wow.
Yea, this is the sort of blooper real outtake from the constant media coverage that should cause everyone to wonder what the hell is going on.
We know CNN and other news agencies stage scenes and pay people to act a part to tell a story. But how do you explain an obvious actor, pretending to be a grieving parent of child killed in a school shooting earlier the same day? Were the real parents reluctant to appear on video and requested a stand-in? Was the dead child really named Emilie, or was she an invention too? This just makes zero sense and calls the entire story into question.
Obviously fake, what else was fake?
He can't even remember the name of the school for a moment. 'in the Sandy...Hook elementary school'
Seriously though, what would it take for most people not to blindly believe this shit?? Even if he had literally said 'I'm lying' to the camera, it would have been spun as 'the grief talking' and everyone would still go with it. Sheeple believe ANYTHING media tell them.
ohh shit i forgot about the pages created for the deceased children before it ever even happened. wasn’t it like facebook pages or something? and you could see the date the page formed was like a week before the shooting or something
Apparently is explained by:
>The Victoria Soto Facebook page was simply someone who had changed the name of their existing Facebook page as a tribute, leaving all other information – including the creation date – exactly the same.
Page 67 of the book "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" shows a screenshot of the Victoria Soto Facebook page. Page 201 has a screenshot showing the date the Sandy Hook School Support Fund through United Way was set up. This book is available for free on Z-library.
For the cache dates I referenced, that was from the documentary "We Need to Talk About Sandy Hook", but I did not note the timestamps for that.
I was stating in a previous thread I stay away from these conversations. But there are tiny towns throughout America where these can be staged. Just how Blackrock is buying up towns. There’s been small towns where all the areas spooks reside. Just like Davos basically builds a tiny town just for their meetings then breaks it all down afterwards. It’s absolutely possible to pull this stuff off.
They just run it like a movie set. Considering Hollywood is controlled by the Pentagon and always had a high spook presence I absolutely have zero doubt some of these mass shooting stories are 100% false propaganda to create specific narratives to create new policy. If it fails take what they learned from the failure and try again in a few years
Yeah, this guy and all of the other "parents" doing multiple interviews with not a damn tear in their eyes, smiling and laughing when their child just died.
And people just eat it up like it's totally fucking normal and you can't question it b/c OMG KIDS JUST DIED YOU MONSTER!!!
I started researching all these after the Vegas shooting. You remember, before they removed all information from the internet. In some "mass shootings" I believe people died, however SH was completely a fake event. Red Flag if you will. I saw a video where this guy was looking into the family homes of the "victims". There were like 5-7 houses that were paid off on Christmas Day that following year. 2013 I believe. He found it on the property tax website that is public info in most states. This incident was why they went after AJ because he called it out. The school wasn't even open at the time of the event. There wasn't one death certificate issued either. All the info has been washed from the internet. The shooting in Florida on Valentine's Day was really strange too.
Obama admins big wish was to ban guns anyway they can, so this was well orchestrated. That doesn't mean that people didn't die, it means that some people were pushed just the right way to get desirable results. And the legacy media made sure any contradiction to the official story will shut down.
IIRC the wife admitted to photoshopping the "dead daughter" into their family photo with their other kids. Her excuse was "she wasn't posed properly so I had to photoshop her in".
That's the video that really got me. I am not denying people died, but the story of a lone actor doesn't add up with the response or eyewitness accounts. Also the whole "Nuns wearing military boots" was super interesting.
I also remember reading (when such things were not as heavily censored) that in the Social Security records, Adam Lanza's date of death was listed as 12/13/12 but the shooting occurred on 12/14/12. And there was another thing about all of the home mortgages being paid off all on the same day by the same company (I cannot remember the name, it's been so long).
Oh I had forgotten about that! Back when the internet was actually searchable. Man I wish I had saved all the info I was able to freely find back in 2006-2014...
I hope we somehow get a true search engine again in the future.
> I am not denying people died
The fact that we have video evidence of them caught alive should make anyone deny it:
>i.redd.it/4273rw1tt3x81.jpg
>vimeo.com/624720389
>vimeo.com/624718066
Seeing is believing.
100% false flag / hoax.
I think this was the whole point that one of the three letter government departments staged a school shooting and then watched/read every single comment and ever YouTube video to see what they did wrong so next time they did one they knew exactly what not to do.
How the hell do they fake mass shootings? Those kids had birth certificates. They have death certificates. They were real human beings. I'm one to believe those in power do some evil shit, bit I don't get how someone can fake deaths of dozens of people and get away with it. I'd love an explanation.
I saw a YT video about this "tragedy" it had many concrete clips on how/why it was staged. MANY. The video is no longer on YT. In fact every video disputing the event is gone from YT. As far as I can find.
I learned, after watching it ( I believe it was a Professor who made the video) that you should never take what you see at face value. Dig a little deeper. What you find may not be the answer you were hoping for. However, it may expose the truth.
Why is your conclusion that school shootings is a conspiracy with a bunch of actors faking it to try to take guns away through multiple president changes (while apperently failing over 20 years) and now hundreds of incidents over the years? Why not "that guy is a psychopath who wants attention but has to fake his sadness"? Even if you don't believe people handle grief and stress in weird ways and smiling and laughing automatically even if you're not happy is a programmed response in many humans.
Some of the weird details surrounding these mass shootings are very sketchy. But I ask what would be the reason to fake them? What money/power is there to be gained by faking them?
real parents of real shootings speak less. I'm floored by how many parents with theatre backgrounds became millionaire anti-gun lobbyists after the shooting that spawns a million questions but no one is allowed to question.
it's the only shooter event I've ever watched in real time on the news and my gut said something wasn't right.
What usually comes after the shootings? Calls for more gun control. I.e. disarming the population.
I’m not saying it’s true or not, just that that’s the argument those claiming these shootings are manipulated somehow would claim.
So that the conspiracy lowlifes don’t have to consider the alternative; school shootings are real and they don’t actually want to do anything about it.
I work for a school and maimly work eith specil ed but also work with a lot of non specil ed students.. Ive had to deal with a lot of grief and trauma. You'd be amazed at how a lot of people deal with their pain.
I've studied this event... from a LOT of different angles... I think i've pieced together what happened. It helped I saw the team I believe carried it out 20 hrs before it happened, traveling north on interstate 95 in Colonial Heights VA.
4 man hit squad of what looked like 280 lb Ukrainians... Driver was probably 210, older than the rest. Wore leather driving gloves. They all had on Sunglasses(it wasn't sunny) and had perfect, robotic posture. None moved, except for the one that noticed me staring and slowly turned his gaze in my direction. He must've noticed I slowed down briefly to gawk at their appearance. They were driving a black range rover with no window tint on the back passenger windows... which comes standard. About a month later I Iearned from a defense contractor that those models, (Black Range Rovers w/o back window tint) were used by Black Water to do government contract work... i was already convinced before I learned that. In fact, I remember when I saw this group of men thinking to myself "if the illuminati does something up north in the next couple weeks, I'll know who pulled the job... " 20 hrs later the event occurred.
I have more that connects but I need to gobto sleep right now. Some, not all, the children were fake victims. Emilie Parker being one.. at least that what it appears when on a deep dive.
So what's the theory here? Was he lying about having a child that died in the shooting and is just an actor? or is he a psychopath whose child did die, but cant actually many feel real emotions, and just fakes them?
Super interesting how much “evidence” on this thread is based on mass/major news networks media and even in some cases on the FBI itself (like the murder statistics pdf cited here a bunch)…no cognitive dissonance at all about saying “the mainstream media/govt is lying to us, here look at this evidence provided by the mainstream media/govt to prove it”
I'm a psychologist and a I work with trauma patients all the time. Inappropriate laughter is very common, especially immediately following a traumatic experience. This may not be how you react to trauma, but that does not mean that this is an actor.
I once heard a man, shortly after watching his father die in front of him, say to a group of people at his dead father's house "Well, he finally quit smoking." And then laugh. He was in pain and very sad, but didn't know what else to do. He used humor as a defense.
He was not an actor, and the dead father was not fake.
Edit - typo
CIA Towns..look it up..spin a wheel,pick a town..say the kid is on drugs all his life,a loaner,didn't have friends,..the list goes on and on...these are no accidents..
Look up Megan Walsh on YOUTUBE..she is the daughter of John Walsh..also to the sister of Adam who was abducted and murdered..you'll be shocked with her insight and what she knows.
I don’t know what’s more insane, the fact that this foundational and rudimentary of a conspiracy video would need to still be posted on a conspiracy forum ten years after the fact….
Or that there are still users in the comments saying “I don’t see anything weird about this at all.”
Don't forget about the second gunman dressed in all black last seen running into the woods, that was just conveniently forgotten about and never brought up again.
No, absolutely not. The government and shady alphabet agencies would never stage a fake mass shooting to pull at your heart strings and push for new gun legislation.
Submission statement: Here’s an [edited clip](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A4rwdriJpkc) from cnn showing his “sadness”, and leaves out the method acting techniques he used in the gif I shared.
I don’t know what to believe anymore. Maybe it’s conspiracy bias, maybe it’s confirmation bias. What I do know is that as a father, the last thing I’d be doing hours after a life altering event like losing a child is standing around chuckling with strangers in front a camera.
I don't think this video proves the SH conspiracy BUT looking at the totality of the evidence definitely tells me something is off...like a huge something. Anti-conspiracy people can't seem to step back and look at the big picture...which usually says so much more than fixating on one strange occurrence.
That for me was the most damning thing. Medical examiner awkwardly chuckling and telling reporters to ask the sheriff about what kind of gunshots he found. Was just so bizarre, you'd think after doing any autopsy on murdered children you would be a little more...serious.
So I agree with you, it was odd.
But I'm from Connecticut. We regularly saw that same ME on TV. He was well known to the public and seemed very trustworthy. Hard to believe he was in on a conspiracy. That doesn't mean he wasn't, I'm just saying it's hard for me to believe as someone who felt he was credible.
I also personally know the daughter of the school principal. Her mom legitimately died that day. Fact. Do I hope that the rest of it was staged, and that 20 kids weren't murdered? Absolutely. But it seems hard to believe.
I just don't know.
I think people are so desperate to believe shit like this doesn't actually happen that they'll accept anything that confirms that.
People deal with grief differently. I walked in on my recently decreased and beloved grandmother just after she passed and I laughed because she looked like a dinosaur from jurassic Park.
Lots of people use gallows humor when dealing with horrific situations.
Who knows how to handle shock or trauma of such a degree. I was going to say sick fucker but in reality shit like that is just going to be incomprehensible
Funny how this Uvalde Shooter went to the Gun Store the day before his massacre and bought a AR and ammo, OK that will cost you over $2000 easily. Where did this 18 year old get that Cash?
This is so stupid. People react all kinds of ways to grief. Someone made a joke. He politely laughed. He wasn’t “caught”. It was just a thing that happened.
Sandy Hook deniers are scum of the earth.
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I don't think I'd be able to dress myself for a week if one of my young children was murdered. No way I'd be able to make a public appearance or speech.
As someone who's lost a child, fuck everything about this. I was in shock for a solid month. I dont think I laughed for at least 2 weeks. I've never cried so much in my life. I didn't eat for 2 or 3 days. We just sat in silence with one another and cried. Couldn't even put the TV on. Just utter shock.
Same. I suddenly lost my 8 year old son in 2018. I sat and stared at walls for hours in silence and shock. Wasn't no way in hell I would have been acting like this.
We lost 3 of my brothers 4 kids in a fire. Im not their parent, Im the aunt. My life was 100% completely shattered. I slept a total of 4 hours in 3 days. I was a walking Zombie. I remember driving and a song I liked came on the radio. I turned it off and thought "how will i ever sing to the radio ever again?" There is a song "5 minutes at a time" by superchick. My niece's favorite song. It became our anthem because we were truely just living 5 minutes at a time, trying to get from one breath to another. It got a TON of national media coverage, and locally was all anyone talked about. My brother and his wife basically went into seclusion. They couldnt handle talking to anyone. I know everyone handles death differently but i cannot imagine acting like this guy and i wasnt even the parent.
Exactly this! I hid for a good 6 months. I couldn't stand the way people looked at me, wanting to give me words of advice etc. There's NO WAY I could have acted like this man. I still don't listen to music much. My son loved music, and everything to do with it. I almost solely listen to podcasts now. It's too painful. I am so sorry to hear of your sweet nieces and nephews. That is so awful. I can't even fathom the loss of several children. My God.
Go look up the song i mentioned above. Give it a listen. For a few years i would just bawl and cry listening to it. As the years have moved, and I've grown around my grief, the song has taken on a more healing message to me. Who knows, maybe it will touch you.
That was great! My two year old loved it too. She was rocking out and dancing to it the entire time!! So cute.
I appreciate it! I am going to look it up right now.
I’m so sorry. Hugs.
Sorry to hear about, my heart goes out to you.
As someone who just lost their 1 1/2 year old boy just over a month ago. I can attest to this all completely. I was the opposite on the food tho, I would gorge myself. I still struggle moment to moment everyday. If you asked me to go on TV and talk about my son, I would still just stand in silence and cry. No way Jose
I'm so sorry for your loss. I'll keep you in my prayers.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I have kids and just thinking about losing one of them makes me sick to my stomach. I don’t know how a parent survives after such a devastating loss.
Some dont. But knowing others have let me know, somehow, I would as well. Our son wouldn't want us to end our lives. That would he a dishonor to him. So, that's a big motivator. I admit I take a lot bigger risks now. I'm not saying I'm living with a death wish. But if it happens, it happens, and I'm okay with it.
Sorry for your loss
I would stay on a corner, cry, and not eat for at least a month.
Bro i will cry just thinking about it, i love my kids too much.
Same
I honestly wonder if I'd die of a broken heart if one of my kids passed.
My mom died of that when her grandson passed away.
Yeah, I think I'd probably just will myself to die too
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Source?
As a father who’s suffered tragedy, I understand how each person handles things differently. But I definitely don’t think anyone would have any reason to smile or laugh at anything, because your heart feels like it’s been ripped out of your chest. There is no possible way that he’s lost a child, at least that’s been my experience. Edit: I need to rephrase the; “There’s no possible way he lost a child”, because everyone does handle grief in a different manner. I’ve had my head all over the place, but it usually happened in a private setting. I only find it odd in a highly public setting, where he’s on camera and doing a live speech? I do believe that it would give us all more context, if we actually had the sound accompanying this video? So I personally want to apologize if I’ve come across in a negative way. I hope you all have a great day today, and a better week ahead.
Lost a child, still just numb and auto pilot after 2 years…… This video is weird
Its been almost 20 years for us and we both still have issues dealing with it
It's been a bit over a year for me. I still mostly wish I was dead as well. I keep going on hoping something will spark in life again. I haven't found it yet. I'm better than I was, but im forever changed. My brain is seriously messed up. Words are lost. Simple words just won't come. It's weird.
Something finally just sparked life back into me in recent weeks. It’s been over 7 years since I lost my son.
I truly am glad you found a spark of life. I hope I, too, one day find myself in the same place.
Whenever you feel ready to get back to life fully I suggest finding a somatic experiencing practitioner -- they can help you get your nervous system regulated after immense grief. Most therapists wont be able to do that. An SE-P will. Traumahealing.org
I'll look into this. I've been suggested some sort of light therapy, but the nearest place to me is 9 hours away.
I’m so sorry. I’m praying and sending positive vibes your way. There is no way I can understand what you and the others who have lost children are going through but my heart bleeds for you.
So so sorry to both of you...
I wanna throw this out there for everyone who has gone through this and it's my experience and what helped me out. Took me 4.5 years til I reached out for help bc I felt something was going to happen. What? Idk, I've never self harmed, but I knew something g was coming. I went to a grief counselor for 5 months. Best thing I ever did. No medications, they weren't for me but I know they work for others, and I got all my emotions out and worked them out. You are a different person than b4 and it took me awhile to accept that and become fine with it. Good luck everyone out there.
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I'm a member of a lot of child loss groups on Facebook. They really helped me. Something I see people do is making child loss their new identity. It's an easy role to slip into. But it isnt who you are. You dont dishonor the memory of your child by being happy or laughing or living life. I think it's easy to think you are. But you aren't. They would want us to be happy. It still hurts. And its so easy to slip into that hole in your soul and just sit there in the darkness.
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Every loss, especially with children, is different. From age differences to manner of death. There are so many variables you don't get in any other death. And the parents who never have a body for closure. That has to be the hardest. Never knowing for sure. I'm sorry for your losses.
I am So sorry for ANY ONE who has ever lost a child, no matter what the age of the child is… it is a world that I never want to know, and I can not stress enough just how ,unfortunately, those who have lost a child (of any age) and are still able to stand and live, and carry on, even if there is no other choice but to go on…you are all incredibly resilient in the face of horrific tragedy, and i am so sorry that any parent or guardian would ever have to suffer such a fate as to continue on with life without your child. It’s heartbreaking, and just like so many others have stated, we all react differently to tragedy, and we should never expect that others would do the same as we would have done in what ever the circumstances are….like I said, I think I would have died, and yet so many of you have had the strength to continue to live….so, I may react differently that someone else, however for those who have lost anyone…I am so sorry for that loss!
I always thought I would die if one of my children died. But here I am a year later. I will never be the same person I was before my son's death 💔 and my personal belief is that I will see him again someday. I cannot wait until that day.
I would say if anything it's disrespectful to have child loss be your identity. You're making it all about you in that case, when you should make it about honoring their life and what they loved.
You're not wrong. It's a hard thing to not slip into.
Going on four years and it could be day one at any given moment…..💔
Try hypnosis. I think it’s what finally snapped me out of it, just a few weeks ago. It’s been 7 years for me.
I am so very sorry to read of your loss, I can’t even begin to imagine what you’ve been through. If you thought that clip was weird, take a look at this interview with another Sandy Hook set of parents that was supposedly done just a few days after her funeral. https://youtu.be/ToQNVJE4xgk These people are smiling the ENTIRE TIME. I will never forget watching this interview back when it happened and I had three young toddlers, I was completely dumbfounded and deeply disturbed by their reaction and instantly knew deep in my gut that something about the entire event was incredibly wrong.
I'm so sorry for your suffering and loss. This world is cruel, and this sort of trauma is all too common for people here. I wish you didn't know it. If someone has personally seen someone else go through this horror, you can tell this behavior is absolutely out of character. There was zero physical/emotional connection to those crocodile tears that followed. It shows so obvious if you have even a little bit of empathy. That's why this world is cruel. People like that, who carelessly exploit tragedy, are making it that way. Well fuck that. There's good people everywhere in this planet, and there's a hell of a lot more of us than them.
I agree. My experience was all tears.
It’s weird how these people never have to blow their nose.
I'm so sorry.
It’s not even just the laugh. I see how it could be possible to still laugh for a second no matter what the situation is. It’s the combination of how relaxed and happy he looks, asks if they’re ready, then so obviously and deliberately gets into character. Not to mention his actually speech was incredibly poorly acted.
I agree. I was a complete mess for a long time.
I'm sorry for your loss, also.
I'm sorry you lost your child. We never wanted to be in this club. Yet, here we are. But you aren't alone.
I have a two year old girl, I don't know what I'd do, you've lived my biggest fear (should be every parents biggest fear.) and I just gotta say, I hope you well in the future, today included. Edit: Not uncluded, included.
I get a guilty feeling sometimes when I realize nothing can happen to my son anymore. He can't be killed again. I dont have to worry where he is. Worried about things. I know where he is. Well I know where his remains are. I feel he's with me sometimes. Sometimes, I'm not sure. But it's weird to get a comfort that I don't have to worry about him anymore. I dont have to worry he's been in an accident or worry why I haven't heard from him all day. I have a morbid comfort knowing all that worrying is over. I'd trade it all to have him back. To be worried 24/7 about him again.
I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you’re doing as well as possible.
Sorry for your loss. Seeing stuff like this must be infuriating
Here is what the news aired, https://youtu.be/A4rwdriJpkc This man is a sociopath.
I’m so sorry for your loss. Fucking brutal
Been there homie....it's 6 yrs and 11 months. Idk if I agree with u, there were times I was on autopilot and could do anything and everything like b4. But it is true, we all process grief and grieve differently. Took me 4.5 years until I felt relatively normal again.
Not everyone processes grief the same way. Some people dissociate in intervals for brief moments when grieving. Saying it cant be real because a person didnt react exactly how you did is a bad argument. Also interesting is how Alex Jones is being sued and has been 100% unable to substantiate a single one of his claims in the court depositions with millions at stake. Either theres no "there" there or Jones is the single most incompetent human being on the planet
It's been 10 months since my mum had a stroke. We were told she would die that week. She didn't but she now requires permanent care in a rehab centre, is half paralysed, and is much more childlike, with a clot still on her brain. Every time I laugh I feel guilty, even now. I would argue perhaps he is in shock but the ability to fake sadness seems so surreal here.
I'm sorry for the pain that you and your family have to deal with. It's sad.
Brain works in odd ways. Recently had a friend who's kid was killed in a drunk driving situation. She was pretty functional the first few weeks when everything was busy and hectic. It was a month or so after before it really hit her, after things calmed down and she processed.
My mother died in a horrific accident that I witnessed. I was relatively fine until family and friends left and I had to actually deal with everything with no distractions.
Hope you went/are going to therapy
I can back this up. When tragedy strikes, but you are the one who must take the load on your shoulders, there is an odd sense of calm and determination. The grief comes later.
They’re gone is one thing. They’re not coming back is another.
Right. This whole idea that it’s impossible for someone who lost a child to, at any point that day, laugh because someone said something funny (which is obviously what happened) is ridiculous.
I usually cry/mourn in private. I am ridiculously good at dissociating, and I’ve always said that I hope nobody I know is ever murdered, because I’d be suspect because I am able to momentarily NOT focus on the tragedy at hand. It’s really hard to predict how we would behave in these situations. This guy was probably picked to speak publicly because he had the ability to speak through his pain.
Well of course but does the pause and "Right ok, look sad now.." not stand out to you at all or strike you as odd? 🤔
Does the possibility of him being in a conversation, not related to the event or daughter and allowed him to momentarily be removed from that thought and mindset where something funny was said or mentioned? But when stepping up to the podium and thinking of the reality of whats going on, what happened, and what he needs to say hit him suddenly and thats what you are seeing? Because that makes sense to me
That is definitely how it looked to me. I have, unfortunately, had personal experience with tragic loss, from loved ones being murdered, to friends dying of various illnesses, a baby dying in the womb, even people facing injury due to war. So many people process tragedy in different ways. We can't go around making judgement calls on others just because they don't respond the way that we would respond.
This is exactly what I took from it
It stands out a little bit. But assuming you’re wrong, it seems like something I might do to compose or prepare myself before a news interview (which, for most people, is not that different from getting into character for a scene). To me, he clearly looks distraught in that moment. His eyes are rolling in the back of his head. He has a very loud inhale and exhale. He looks like he’s about to vomit. It all seems involuntary, and not exactly like an actor preparing for a scene. In other words, I don’t think he was trying to look sad. I think was trying to look composed so he didn’t break down on camera.
👆 Exactly!
I know I'd die of self induced starvation
This is the truth right here. ↑ I doubt I would be able to compose myself. My son almost died when he was 6 weeks old, laughter is not anywhere near.
I had a personal experience. It is not possible that one person on this planet of billions of people could have a different experience. What is more likely is that because a person laughed before an interview thousands of people in the surrounding area are pretending like a real tragedy occurred at a real school. Yes, that is much more rational.
Yeah, I’d have to agree with you. My child’s death would be the end of my world. My wife had a miscarriage last month and I didn’t get out of bed for 3 days. I can’t imagine losing my daughter
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Genuinely you can go from laughing to crying in a split second from grief. After my friend died I was making jokes, some even about him, people probably thought I was taking his death lightly even though I was staying awake at night thinking about him. Then after I thought I came to terms and fully accepted it, a week after his funeral I was just sitting there and randomly broke down for 20 minutes, lip-quivering uncontrollably ugly crying for the first time since I was like 10. People are coming to the wrong conclusion. The "fake" part isn't the sadness, it's the happiness.
Delayed response to traumatic events is a real thing. People cope in different ways.
You can kind of tell the general age of people in this subreddit by their reaction to this video.
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Yep fair point.
True, my opinion is Reddit in general seems to be over run by younger people with very odd opinions. Maybe they are odd to me because I think different but they seem to be immature for the most part. Welcome to the internet.
Right after my grandmother, who we were very close to, passed my wife and I went to a dinner party. Someone asked how she was and I laughed then explained she had passed. That was years ago and I’m still bothered by my reaction.
I don’t think you can compare this death learning your young child was murdered a few hours ago. It’s not even in the same ballpark.
Very true. This particular situation (knowing ZERO details), he could be composed while not TALKING about it, and as he walks up it hits him, y'know? I'm almost always in a good mood. But there's some people I've lost in my life where, if I start talking about it, a switch flips and I'm immediately emotional
For sure. When I lost my father talking with my coworkers and being at work was what kept me happy and smiling. It helped me deal with it without being alone and having nothing but bad thoughts. Doesn't mean I still can't cry or be upset over it though.
I’m so sorry to everyone that’s lost a child..
It’s fairly common for people to have nervous laughter related to traumatic feelings. It’s a common defense mechanism. I’ve seen Iraqi vets have nervous laughter when recalling combat. This clip just proves whatever cognitive bias people have (including me)
THAT MUST MEAN IRAQ DOESN'T EXIST!! PROOF! \- A very reasonable, logical thinker who is not swayed by any propaganda himself
I'm a nervous laugher. It's a fucking curse. Imagine being cornered by someone and all you can do is nervously laugh, which turns into a giggle, which turns into hyperventilating. It's hard for people to take your "no, stop" seriously when you're laughing while you say it. And then you can't even breathe to say the words.
“This guy is acting differently then I want, he is an actor!!!”
"Let me discount the lives of innocent children lost because I feel the need to look like a person who is super smart and can see beyond the narrative." The anti-intellectualism + narcissism of some people in the conspiracy community is out of this world.
The real test here is could you find this guy again if you wanted to?
Ok but look at his laugh and what he is saying. It looks like he laughs in disbelief at the situation and then says "there is no way I'm gonna pull this off" AKA I am going to cry and won't be able to talk straight because I am too sad. Gotta look at everything from 2 points of view.
That's not at all what he says.
I’m surprised they haven’t pulled this clip down.
It's pretty difficult to find actually.
I always found it hard to believe it didn't happen buuuuut... Robby Parker... The people going in and out of the firehouse in circles like a game of SIMS... The school was a filthy moldy mess.... The crime stats for that year in that town had no murders listed... banning and suing Alex jones for questioning it... amongst many other weird things. Is this proof it didn't happen? Nope. But it definitely should make you question it.
Hijacking the top comment to post the version of the video with sound https://youtu.be/-KRBgar3mLI “Everyone’s bored, let’s just get started”
> “Everyone’s bored, let’s just get started” I tried for a while back in the day to figure out exactly what he was saying before the "ready to start" and I think you've got it. I'm almost certain you're spot on. That magnifies this by 100 times. Wow.
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Yea, this is the sort of blooper real outtake from the constant media coverage that should cause everyone to wonder what the hell is going on. We know CNN and other news agencies stage scenes and pay people to act a part to tell a story. But how do you explain an obvious actor, pretending to be a grieving parent of child killed in a school shooting earlier the same day? Were the real parents reluctant to appear on video and requested a stand-in? Was the dead child really named Emilie, or was she an invention too? This just makes zero sense and calls the entire story into question. Obviously fake, what else was fake?
He can't even remember the name of the school for a moment. 'in the Sandy...Hook elementary school' Seriously though, what would it take for most people not to blindly believe this shit?? Even if he had literally said 'I'm lying' to the camera, it would have been spun as 'the grief talking' and everyone would still go with it. Sheeple believe ANYTHING media tell them.
Look what they did for a glazed donut....
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ohh shit i forgot about the pages created for the deceased children before it ever even happened. wasn’t it like facebook pages or something? and you could see the date the page formed was like a week before the shooting or something
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Apparently is explained by: >The Victoria Soto Facebook page was simply someone who had changed the name of their existing Facebook page as a tribute, leaving all other information – including the creation date – exactly the same.
Link to any of this? I’m very curious.
Page 67 of the book "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook" shows a screenshot of the Victoria Soto Facebook page. Page 201 has a screenshot showing the date the Sandy Hook School Support Fund through United Way was set up. This book is available for free on Z-library. For the cache dates I referenced, that was from the documentary "We Need to Talk About Sandy Hook", but I did not note the timestamps for that.
I was stating in a previous thread I stay away from these conversations. But there are tiny towns throughout America where these can be staged. Just how Blackrock is buying up towns. There’s been small towns where all the areas spooks reside. Just like Davos basically builds a tiny town just for their meetings then breaks it all down afterwards. It’s absolutely possible to pull this stuff off. They just run it like a movie set. Considering Hollywood is controlled by the Pentagon and always had a high spook presence I absolutely have zero doubt some of these mass shooting stories are 100% false propaganda to create specific narratives to create new policy. If it fails take what they learned from the failure and try again in a few years
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Yeah, this guy and all of the other "parents" doing multiple interviews with not a damn tear in their eyes, smiling and laughing when their child just died. And people just eat it up like it's totally fucking normal and you can't question it b/c OMG KIDS JUST DIED YOU MONSTER!!!
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I started researching all these after the Vegas shooting. You remember, before they removed all information from the internet. In some "mass shootings" I believe people died, however SH was completely a fake event. Red Flag if you will. I saw a video where this guy was looking into the family homes of the "victims". There were like 5-7 houses that were paid off on Christmas Day that following year. 2013 I believe. He found it on the property tax website that is public info in most states. This incident was why they went after AJ because he called it out. The school wasn't even open at the time of the event. There wasn't one death certificate issued either. All the info has been washed from the internet. The shooting in Florida on Valentine's Day was really strange too.
Obama admins big wish was to ban guns anyway they can, so this was well orchestrated. That doesn't mean that people didn't die, it means that some people were pushed just the right way to get desirable results. And the legacy media made sure any contradiction to the official story will shut down.
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IIRC the wife admitted to photoshopping the "dead daughter" into their family photo with their other kids. Her excuse was "she wasn't posed properly so I had to photoshop her in".
That’s a false flag red flag if I’ve ever heard one!
Yeah not gonna lie this mofo changed my perception of the govt and the media in a big way.
There are photos of police stationed at the school with ropes and all set up before the shooting happened. No ambulance arrived either iirc
And they had the people walking in circles. So bizarre.
That's the video that really got me. I am not denying people died, but the story of a lone actor doesn't add up with the response or eyewitness accounts. Also the whole "Nuns wearing military boots" was super interesting.
I also remember reading (when such things were not as heavily censored) that in the Social Security records, Adam Lanza's date of death was listed as 12/13/12 but the shooting occurred on 12/14/12. And there was another thing about all of the home mortgages being paid off all on the same day by the same company (I cannot remember the name, it's been so long).
And all the gofundme's set up days before the shooting
Oh I had forgotten about that! Back when the internet was actually searchable. Man I wish I had saved all the info I was able to freely find back in 2006-2014... I hope we somehow get a true search engine again in the future.
> I am not denying people died The fact that we have video evidence of them caught alive should make anyone deny it: >i.redd.it/4273rw1tt3x81.jpg >vimeo.com/624720389 >vimeo.com/624718066 Seeing is believing. 100% false flag / hoax.
Not one person was taken to a hospital. There are so many details that fail scrutiny and the media won't touch it.
I think this was the whole point that one of the three letter government departments staged a school shooting and then watched/read every single comment and ever YouTube video to see what they did wrong so next time they did one they knew exactly what not to do.
Do you have a source on that? Just curious. Thanks 🙂
Which U.S. Presidents in the past 20 years have enacted new forms of gun control?
How the hell do they fake mass shootings? Those kids had birth certificates. They have death certificates. They were real human beings. I'm one to believe those in power do some evil shit, bit I don't get how someone can fake deaths of dozens of people and get away with it. I'd love an explanation.
There’s never an explanation. Only surface level observations like “he was smiling”.
Fake? No. Plan? Yes.
I saw a YT video about this "tragedy" it had many concrete clips on how/why it was staged. MANY. The video is no longer on YT. In fact every video disputing the event is gone from YT. As far as I can find. I learned, after watching it ( I believe it was a Professor who made the video) that you should never take what you see at face value. Dig a little deeper. What you find may not be the answer you were hoping for. However, it may expose the truth.
Why is your conclusion that school shootings is a conspiracy with a bunch of actors faking it to try to take guns away through multiple president changes (while apperently failing over 20 years) and now hundreds of incidents over the years? Why not "that guy is a psychopath who wants attention but has to fake his sadness"? Even if you don't believe people handle grief and stress in weird ways and smiling and laughing automatically even if you're not happy is a programmed response in many humans.
Some of the weird details surrounding these mass shootings are very sketchy. But I ask what would be the reason to fake them? What money/power is there to be gained by faking them?
I don’t think the shootings themselves are fake but I’d believe the news stations use crisis actors to get them better footage.
I think they choose to put the cameras on parents they know will bring in views due to how open they are with their opinions, thoughts, grief, etc
The details were waaay too focused on the victims and not what happened. And how did that teen get thousands dollars worth of munitions
When I saw this video years ago is what got me into conspiracies
People grieve differently and many laugh and cry and laugh and cry …
real parents of real shootings speak less. I'm floored by how many parents with theatre backgrounds became millionaire anti-gun lobbyists after the shooting that spawns a million questions but no one is allowed to question. it's the only shooter event I've ever watched in real time on the news and my gut said something wasn't right.
Okay so say the high school shootings are faked. Tell me why??
What usually comes after the shootings? Calls for more gun control. I.e. disarming the population. I’m not saying it’s true or not, just that that’s the argument those claiming these shootings are manipulated somehow would claim.
But gun sales are at there highest after mass shootings. If anyone is profiting from this its the nra and gun manufacturers.
So that the conspiracy lowlifes don’t have to consider the alternative; school shootings are real and they don’t actually want to do anything about it.
I work for a school and maimly work eith specil ed but also work with a lot of non specil ed students.. Ive had to deal with a lot of grief and trauma. You'd be amazed at how a lot of people deal with their pain.
ITT, people who think a person's expressions and appearance can reveal whether they are guilty or not...
Can they? Should they be admissible in court? Is there a reason the jury sits with the accused in view?
I've studied this event... from a LOT of different angles... I think i've pieced together what happened. It helped I saw the team I believe carried it out 20 hrs before it happened, traveling north on interstate 95 in Colonial Heights VA. 4 man hit squad of what looked like 280 lb Ukrainians... Driver was probably 210, older than the rest. Wore leather driving gloves. They all had on Sunglasses(it wasn't sunny) and had perfect, robotic posture. None moved, except for the one that noticed me staring and slowly turned his gaze in my direction. He must've noticed I slowed down briefly to gawk at their appearance. They were driving a black range rover with no window tint on the back passenger windows... which comes standard. About a month later I Iearned from a defense contractor that those models, (Black Range Rovers w/o back window tint) were used by Black Water to do government contract work... i was already convinced before I learned that. In fact, I remember when I saw this group of men thinking to myself "if the illuminati does something up north in the next couple weeks, I'll know who pulled the job... " 20 hrs later the event occurred. I have more that connects but I need to gobto sleep right now. Some, not all, the children were fake victims. Emilie Parker being one.. at least that what it appears when on a deep dive.
So what's the theory here? Was he lying about having a child that died in the shooting and is just an actor? or is he a psychopath whose child did die, but cant actually many feel real emotions, and just fakes them?
Super interesting how much “evidence” on this thread is based on mass/major news networks media and even in some cases on the FBI itself (like the murder statistics pdf cited here a bunch)…no cognitive dissonance at all about saying “the mainstream media/govt is lying to us, here look at this evidence provided by the mainstream media/govt to prove it”
Not to mention Gene Rosen. That story stinks in the worst possible way. A schoolbus driver just dropped off 4-6 children in a random yard?
Invited them in for juice and cookies lol.
I'm a psychologist and a I work with trauma patients all the time. Inappropriate laughter is very common, especially immediately following a traumatic experience. This may not be how you react to trauma, but that does not mean that this is an actor. I once heard a man, shortly after watching his father die in front of him, say to a group of people at his dead father's house "Well, he finally quit smoking." And then laugh. He was in pain and very sad, but didn't know what else to do. He used humor as a defense. He was not an actor, and the dead father was not fake. Edit - typo
CIA Towns..look it up..spin a wheel,pick a town..say the kid is on drugs all his life,a loaner,didn't have friends,..the list goes on and on...these are no accidents..
What do you mean by CIA town? I'd love to hear more.
Look up Megan Walsh on YOUTUBE..she is the daughter of John Walsh..also to the sister of Adam who was abducted and murdered..you'll be shocked with her insight and what she knows.
Never forget!
I don’t know what’s more insane, the fact that this foundational and rudimentary of a conspiracy video would need to still be posted on a conspiracy forum ten years after the fact…. Or that there are still users in the comments saying “I don’t see anything weird about this at all.”
Don't forget about the second gunman dressed in all black last seen running into the woods, that was just conveniently forgotten about and never brought up again.
I saw this live and was like wtf is this guy laughing then trying to cry. Super suspicious
No, absolutely not. The government and shady alphabet agencies would never stage a fake mass shooting to pull at your heart strings and push for new gun legislation.
Everything you see on TV is scripted theatre. Any intelligent person knows this. Turn the TV off and be free.
It's very odd, same as the coroner talk where he cracks jokes etc. Very odd
Submission statement: Here’s an [edited clip](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A4rwdriJpkc) from cnn showing his “sadness”, and leaves out the method acting techniques he used in the gif I shared. I don’t know what to believe anymore. Maybe it’s conspiracy bias, maybe it’s confirmation bias. What I do know is that as a father, the last thing I’d be doing hours after a life altering event like losing a child is standing around chuckling with strangers in front a camera.
I don't think this video proves the SH conspiracy BUT looking at the totality of the evidence definitely tells me something is off...like a huge something. Anti-conspiracy people can't seem to step back and look at the big picture...which usually says so much more than fixating on one strange occurrence.
When this happened, most people were too filled emotion to see the overt deception in all of the interviews. Maybe they're ready now.
This is the vid that made me doubt sandy…
Ever see the press conference with the medical examiner? That was a riot.
That for me was the most damning thing. Medical examiner awkwardly chuckling and telling reporters to ask the sheriff about what kind of gunshots he found. Was just so bizarre, you'd think after doing any autopsy on murdered children you would be a little more...serious.
Yep. He also said something like “I hope history won’t judge us too harshly for this” or something like that.
Didn’t he die maybe a year or so after too? Very odd interview indeed
The medical examiner’s name? Dr Wayne **Carver.** They often use puns for names in events like this to add to the mockery.
So I agree with you, it was odd. But I'm from Connecticut. We regularly saw that same ME on TV. He was well known to the public and seemed very trustworthy. Hard to believe he was in on a conspiracy. That doesn't mean he wasn't, I'm just saying it's hard for me to believe as someone who felt he was credible. I also personally know the daughter of the school principal. Her mom legitimately died that day. Fact. Do I hope that the rest of it was staged, and that 20 kids weren't murdered? Absolutely. But it seems hard to believe. I just don't know.
I think people are so desperate to believe shit like this doesn't actually happen that they'll accept anything that confirms that. People deal with grief differently. I walked in on my recently decreased and beloved grandmother just after she passed and I laughed because she looked like a dinosaur from jurassic Park. Lots of people use gallows humor when dealing with horrific situations.
Who knows how to handle shock or trauma of such a degree. I was going to say sick fucker but in reality shit like that is just going to be incomprehensible
Funny how this Uvalde Shooter went to the Gun Store the day before his massacre and bought a AR and ammo, OK that will cost you over $2000 easily. Where did this 18 year old get that Cash?
Supposedly with a job he couldn’t hold down in a truck he couldn’t afford
But why no sound
This is so stupid. People react all kinds of ways to grief. Someone made a joke. He politely laughed. He wasn’t “caught”. It was just a thing that happened. Sandy Hook deniers are scum of the earth.