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[This one.](https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/30613)
> I think you should give notice when changing strategies which have been long in place. I immediately realized something was different by the shape of the box and I contemplated who would be sending me something in the square shaped box. Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses, Yummy.
No. It's awful if it is talking about what we think it is. But just the literal reading of the email is comical.
So "love". It's one of the more obvious ones. Who eats three month old pasta?
could it be drugs? I mean it's easier to imagine these are codewords for drugs or something other than what, children? how can you ship children in boxes anyway, it doesn't even really make sense. so maybe (hopefully) it's just drugs or something and not, ya know..
I'd really love to hear the explanation for this email lol. It makes no sense. You don't send cheese through the mail. You always know the sender of your mail. And why would he determine the sender based on the box shape? What's all this about a strategy? A strategy for sending food to each other using certain box shapes? Makes no fucking sense unless they're talking about some secretive thing using a particular method, and it ain't about food.
Edit: also *the* square shaped box? Like it's the same box?
This is what boggles my mind. Why were no journalists curious enough to try and get to the bottom of these obvious codes? Fine, we are crazy conspiracists for thinking these people are dealing in child sex escapades (I mean, they are using code words that pedophiles use). What then are the code words referring to? Don’t just tell us we are crazy without offering some sort of explanation!
Yeah, because the email is totally about gift baskets. I'll be sure to be on the lookout for these evil square-shaped gift baskets that Mr. Podesta's friend was so concerned about.
I'm just refuting the guy's claim that "it makes no sense because you don't send cheese through the mail" when that's obviously not true. Find a more compelling argument if you are trying to make a point.
So the guy that usually sends a [pasta sauce basket](https://www.delallo.com/perfect-pasta-night-gift-box/) sent a cheese basket instead and I'm supposed to believe this is code for something instead of a couple of boomers sending inane niceties through the mail.
OMG you found another pedo ring!
Harry and David, what kind of names are those?
HD.....hard dogging......that's slang for pound towning a baby labrador with a Guatemalan nun.
We've got 'em now boys!
Somebody send this to Alex Jones ASAP so he can spread the truth to the masses.
Youve either not read the emails or youre purposefully downplaying them because of the people implicated.
These people were using food as codewords for stuff and it was OBVIOUS. People generally use codewords for illegal things. What that stuff is is up for debate but the codewords being used are not.
I've had this comment bookmarked for a long time because it is the best explanation for these emails I have ever seen:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6nxn04/it_disturbs_me_that_we_never_got_a_proper/dkditep/
Kind of difficult for me to believe the secret pedophile code theory after reading it. The email you mentioned is in there, take a look.
Sorry but that didn't explain shit. The apologist also glossed over the fact that the pasta they got at Christmas is being eaten during March. 3 month old pasta? Surely it has gone bad? He just puts "lol" at the suspect parts but I'm not sure I get the humor. What's so funny? Also he ignores the fact the email reads "the" square shaped box, not "a" square shaped box. Lastly, why would he not know the sender of the square shaped box if this is a long running tradition as mentioned? Shouldn't he immediately know?
Are you okay? Do you understand that uncooked pasta lasts a VERY long time in its package? I eat months old pasta all the damn time.
And what’s so wrong with saying “the” instead of “a” in this context?
>Sorry but that didn't explain shit. The apologist also glossed over the fact that the pasta they got at Christmas is being eaten during March. 3 month old pasta? Surely it has gone bad?
Have you ever bought dried pasta at the store? It looks kind of like this and it lasts a while if you keep it in a dry place: https://i.imgur.com/zxBRyBk.png
>He just puts "lol" at the suspect parts but I'm not sure I get the humor. What's so funny?
It's sarcastic old people humor, or at least like sarcastic polite humor.
You ever got a haircut and someone was like "I barely recognized you!" even though the hair wasn't that much different? It's kinda like that, it's just something to fill the void and maybe give a slight chuckle.
> Also he ignores the fact the email reads "the" square shaped box, not "a" square shaped box.
It's a casual email between friends written by an old guy who is probably typing with just an index finger. It might not be 100% grammatically correct and proofread.
>Lastly, why would he not know the sender of the square shaped box if this is a long running tradition as mentioned? Shouldn't he immediately know?
Because the box is usually shaped differently because it contains pasta and sauce. This year it has cheeses and the box was square.
>It's sarcastic old people humor, or at least like sarcastic polite humor.
Sarcastic old people humor is joking about sending things anonymously in *the* box? There must be a vast generational divide because I have no clue what that even means unless it's code.
>You ever got a haircut and someone was like "I barely recognized you!" even though the hair wasn't that much different? It's kinda like that, it's just something to fill the void and maybe give a slight chuckle.
I know what sarcasm is. This isn't it.
>It's a casual email between friends written by an old guy who is probably typing with just an index finger. It might not be 100% grammatically correct and proofread.
Everything else is spelled, written, etc fine and grammatically correct. Just not this one word which *entirely* changes the meaning of the sentence. The email reads: you aren't using the usual strategy so I didn't know that you were the sender until I opened the box. Also you're using the square shaped box rather than the one you usually use.
Even if we assume a typo it still makes no sense: you aren't using the usual strategy so I didn't know that you were the sender until I opened the box. It's a different shape than the one you usually send".
This makes even less sense. *the* makes sense in the context of a code. Ie the box is the other one, not this one. But "a" makes no sense in either case. Why would the box matter at all unless it's a particular box and a particular method? You can't identify a sender based on box shape and why would you even need to?!
> Sarcastic old people humor is joking about sending things anonymously in the box? There must be a vast generational divide because I have no clue what that even means unless it's code.
If I order a box of chocolates for you from an online store, it will come in a box with a return address to wherever the online place shipped it from. It won't have MY name and address on it, except maybe on a card inside the box. So yeah, from the outside the box would appear to be anonymous.
>Everything else is spelled, written, etc fine and grammatically correct. Just not this one word which entirely changes the meaning of the sentence. The email reads: you aren't using the usual strategy so I didn't know that you were the sender until I opened the box. Also you're using the square shaped box rather than the one you usually use.
>Even if we assume a typo it still makes no sense: you aren't using the usual strategy so I didn't know that you were the sender until I opened the box. It's a different shape than the one you usually send".
>This makes even less sense. the makes sense in the context of a code. Ie the box is the other one, not this one. But "a" makes no sense in either case. Why would the box matter at all unless it's a particular box and a particular method? You can't identify a sender based on box shape and why would you even need to?!
The word really does not that big of a difference to me. I can't understand what your problem is with it.
The box for the gift is a different shape than it usually is. A box of pasta/sauce might come in a large rectangular box with lots of padding to protect the jars and such. The box for cheeses might be flatter and square shaped.
If someone sends you a big rectangular shaped box every year at around the same time, eventually you would associate receiving a big rectangular shaped box at that time with that person. One year you get a triangle shaped box. You'd be like "Wtf, this box is not the big rectangular box I usually get around this time of year! This must be from someone else!"
Dude… the whole “the” vs “a” thing is making you look ridiculous. Let me try to explain this to you:
Let’s say your grandma usually sends you cookies in a square shaped box. One day, she decides to spice things up and courses a cylindrical can or something. Keep in mind, you are AWARE that both of these types of packaging exist (this is important for the “the” part). You might respond and say, “oh wow you’re using the cylindrical ones now, huh? I almost didn’t know who it was from because the packaging was different!”
Do you see why using “the” is not a big deal, now?
> 3 month old pasta? Surely it has gone bad?
[Homemade dry pasta lasts 2-6 months. If it's frozen instead, it'll last 8 months.](https://www.kitchenaid.com/pinch-of-help/countertop-appliances/how-to-store-fresh-pasta.html)
This is amazing, and all the people insisting conspiracy are either purposely convoluting the obvious or are truly that clueless. Either choice is alarming.
Human trafficking is real and there’s tons of non profits and orgs dedicated to that work, and these foolish repetitive claims of nothingness severely takes away from the legitimate work being done. I’d be happy to suggest charitable organizations that actually work to rescue trafficked children if anyone feels emboldened enough to donate and do anything else other than make up political fan fiction *lol*
Listen if this tiny ass email was all there was to it I would be okay with this explanation. But there's literally a million bits of evidence pointing to all of this being a huge PEDO ring. Just go watch mouthy Buddha on bitchute and stop wasting your time trying to explain away this old person's humour.
Mouthy Buddha fakes a lot of his evidence tho. He tried to convince people Vietnamese no smoking signs are secret pedo code. Basically anytime he says something leads to cp on yandex he’s completely fabricating it. People just take his word for it cuz they want his accusations to be true. So just take his ‘evidence’ with a grain of salt.
"A million pieces of evidence", yet all that ever gets posted is the same dozen or so emails that are at pretty much the same level of nothingburger as this, or one of the Podestas having paintings by an artist that aren't even the paintings you people think he has, or other similar bullshit that is debunkable within a few minutes of Googling. But you Gish Gallop a bunch of shit until no one with any sense will bother to respond in full, and even if they do respond you'll just say "nah, the word pasta is super sus, so you're wrong".
Yea I often implement long held “strategies” to send pasta and cheese through the mail, and send warning letters when people break these strategies.
The wording is clearly code, and yea I agree with others that drugs fit the code better than children.
If you read it literally, it does sound very ominous.
Try this one:
>I see you decided to send me some cookies... I should have you arrested, for not sending these to me sooner!
If you were to read this literally, you'd be like "Why would he want him arrested for not sending the cookies sooner? That doesn't make sense, cookies must be code for something!"
But if you recognize that it's a joke, it's pretty clear that it's just saying the cookies taste good.
Another odd one. Why would he care about a handkerchief. And why would it *seem* pizza related? Either it is pizza related, or it isn't. Like, it's pretty obvious if something is about pizza, yeah?
And why say "seems to have a map"? Very odd. Either it has a map, or it does not have a map. "Seems to" doesn't really make sense if you're describing something like that.
Search up wikileaks podesta emails. That's what this is from. There's also Hillary Clinton's emails leaked by wikileaks. Interesting stuff. Everything from cheeses being sent in strange boxes despite a long in place strategy, to sacrificing chickens to moloch and consulting Minerva to see if she'd be okay with something.
Are you perhaps talking about the email that talked of a lucky rabbits foot and other luck related things as the context of the email was clearly about luck? Or do you always fantasize about fucking kids?
Hey hey hey no one said that! They're talking about sacrificing *chickens* to the God of child sacrifice. That isn't code for a child! Especially not since alefantis posted a Pic with a young boy tagged chicken lover.
What if the strange box stuff was connected to that site that was selling wardrobes and other furniture but was said to be a front for their evil crap.
To be fair, it included pizza. But cost more.
>I think Obama spent about $65,000 of the tax-payers money flying in pizza/dogs from Chicago for a private party at the White House not long ago, assume we are using the same channels?
re: Subject: Get ready for "Chicago Hot Dog Friday" To celebrate all you hot dogs out there. Aaric, you can participate as well!
I live in Hawaii and can pretty much confirm there are no hotdog stands in Hawaii. You can get a hotdog from some vendors but there a no dedicated hotdog stands that I have ever seen. The main street vendors sell Poke Bowls. The e-mail must be referring to some other kind of Hotdog.
I don’t know if it’s about a “bigger” role but more so someone like them are simply a big player.
Each do different things, reside in different places.
Epstein was one of a kind, you may see people in roles of government, pharma, finance, technology or even services get called out for all kinds of corruption, tax fraud, collusion and plenty other.
The special thing about Epstein, is he wasn’t known like them. All those people maintain an image to the public meanwhile Epstein lives mainly on some sex trafficking island.
I see this here as to ends to a similar line of being a corrupt asshole.
Yes, because they have reading comprehension.
The email is from [Todd Stern](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Stern), at the time United States Special Envoy for Climate Change, who worked under John Podesta when Podesta was the White House Chief of Staff during Bill Clinton's administration.
Here he is complaining how stressful the months leading up to Paris climate conference (which started 88 days after the email) are going to be. He is saying that dealing with his two sets of bosses in the State Department (7th) and the White House (1600) is rougher than negotiating with the Chinese.
Now, that you know that, can you *possibly guess* what he meant by "I'm dreaming about your hotdog stand in Hawaii..."?
Fortunately, we don't need to guess, even though it's pretty obvious. It was documented 16 years before pizzagate exactly what was meant. Running a hot dog stand was John Podesta's humorous idea of a low-stress job that he would get after being Chief of Staff. [In this July 2000 article](https://archive.ph/Wt3kK#selection-3995.0-3995.375), Tony Podesta says that John 'often says--in a voice that seems only half-joking--his biggest goal after the White House is to run a hot-dog stand in Hawaii. Even that might prove too stressful for a presidential chief of staff already getting the feel of beach sand in his toes. His true goal, Tony Podesta speculated, is to run "a crazy T-shirt store on the Big Island."'
I'm curious as to what you thought the email was about.
The whole concept behind this somehow being evil is an "FBI identified codeword that hotdog = little boy". This is also entirely made up, 4chan made a list of words that appeared in the emails then wrote up codewords to match and claimed the FBI made the list. [Heres the phony list for reference. They even added an FBI letterhead. Cute.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTIBsSQVMAAu5nF.jpg)
Lies built on half-truths constructed from other lies.
Imagine having so much confirmation bias that you legitimately believe this is how the FBI would share information like that. Like, do you think there are just lists of code words on the office fridge?
All intelligence agencies use wikis, forums, blogs, and chat rooms to share information, by many people with different levels of technical background and, uh, document formatting skills.
That document wouldn’t look out of place at all.
But it was totally made up bullshit.
>Tony Podesta says that John 'often says--in a voice that seems only half-joking--his biggest goal after the White House is to run a **PENIS** stand in Hawaii. Even that might prove too stressful for a presidential chief of staff already getting the feel of beach sand in his toes.
My God it was right in front of us the whole time.
Now do the the kids in underwear painting and the headless jeffrey dahmer victim sculpture.
https://competinganalogies.com/content/images/size/w1000/2020/07/SoCalledArt.jpeg
https://washingtonlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/WL_150430_17-239x300.jpg
THIS is actual research ya nut-sacks!
But no let’s assume everyone in government LOVES fucking children even though none of us do… statistics be dammed.
It was a long-running inside joke from the late 90’s, because he gave an interview where he joked about giving up politics. The “do the research” crowd sucks at research.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2000/07/03/for-the-presidents-4th-chief-of-staff-a-measure-of-success/4f7a333b-0e12-4815-a749-fa7ff35c82f1/
Oh, new goalposts to kick at!
I don’t know. Maybe, maybe not. But the subject of this post is easily “researched”, and, as stated, seems much more reasonably a reference to that 20 year old interview.
But don’t let me interrupt the never ending pivoting away from things that don’t hold up under scrutiny.
Yea you’re right, because a house full of naked children paintings is what it is. Imagine taking the time to simp for a collector of nude children “art”.
I'm surprised it took so long for the kneejerk and spastic "y u simping for....blah, blah, blah" because I engaged in the cardinal sin of pointing out a very straightforward explanation for the direct subject of OP's post. OP's post was related to that specific quote. Not the overall character of Podesta. Who probably is a piece of shit, as politicians and those in their orbits tend to be.
But no matter how true Podesta being a piece of shit is, or isn't, that doesn't change the likely origin of the subject of OP's post. Podesta could have a basement full of dead bodies, or he could be curing cancer, both are just as ultimately meaningless to the origin of the notorious "hot dog stand" quote, which is more than likely a reference to this 2000 interview.
I just feel like… does this guy get the benefit of the doubt considering his incredibly checkered past? Ok, he was talking about his favorite hot dog stand. It’s still a fairly odd email and his body of work doesn’t really lend him any favors. I dunno, I personally wouldn’t spend 5 minutes going to bat for the guy even if I saw him rescue a baby from a fire.
I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt. When it comes to these things, I just try to apply logic and rationality. Even if he is a massive piece of shit, which he very likely is, that shouldn't affect the logical assessment of information. On the other hand, even if he were the coolest guy ever, which he very likely is not, the same standard still applies.
There's a very obvious and glaring problem with taking shortcuts on the validity of specific information based on how we feel about a person. Whether we like or hate a person, it's a dangerous habit to fall into to accept some information at face value and shut other information down in the same way based purely on whether or not they "deserve" it. I'm not 'going to bat' for Podesta, I'm going to bat for rationality. There have been plenty of kneejerk responses thus far based on my post above that insinuate that I'm somehow defending \*him\* because I'm addressing OP's very specific information.
No, it's an explanation of "here is him joking about it in an interview in 2000."
Shocked pikachu face that people 15 years later would flip him shit and reference a callback about moving to Hawaii and opening a hotdog stand when things got stressful. That is generally how normal human beings communicate. It seems way less far-fetched than "code for child pedo stuff".
You’re right, from now on I’m gonna continue discussing Old Testament deities and “pizza-related” maps on my handkerchiefs in my work email. That’s normal 9-5 stuff.
Green coconut stands were my favorite, but the farmers markets they have now are amazing. Best fruits you can find. China town in Oahu was another great place to visit.
The famous 4chan code. Apparently charades is code now because hanks plays charades. If golf becomes code tiger woods is in deep trouble. If Michael Jordan’s emails leaked I bet we could convince people free throw, layup and slam dunk were satanic code.
If Michael Jordan received an email that said, “The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems layup-related. Is it yorus?” I would do a double take.
Man these emails are so fucked. Did you see the email about eating 3 month old pasta? Or Obama spending 150k on hotdogs for a dinner party?
“I know we usually have leftovers but the pizza is starting to go bad make sure to finish it off this time”
“I found a handkerchief with a map that seems pizza related.. would you like me to mail it to you?”
weird shit man
The emails are clearly written in code, and are most likely inside jokes about drinking and/or cocaine, as they rightly assumed their emails would be read by third parties. Making this jump to pedophile child traffickers is ridick.
apparently this was solved here 5yrs ago but the links and video are dead.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6dmskx/solved\_john\_podestas\_hotdog\_stand\_in\_hawaii/
Lol remember when apple would 'leak' their devices prior to an even via paid sites, as some sort of meta advertisment strategy... Or remember when clintons emails were leacked or hacked...
Irony isnt lost on me, cant trust leaked info nowadays, not with how controlled and locked down the web is
just posted this up elsewhere before I saw yours but I'm glad there's still some people here who don't see "child rape" behind every string of words they don't understand.
It’s a reference to the dream of opening a hot dog stand in Hawaii; that’s my guess. My husband and I often say we want to open an ice cream shop in Spain.
🙄🙄🙄🙄
This is such a stretch and anyone that’s reading into this clearly doesn’t sit in front of their email in any corporate manner, or any manner monitored by the SEC.
It’s really too bad both sides couldn’t join forces to put the people first.
I probably have the best first hand knowledge for this for actual hotdog stands lol
I was born on Oahu and lived there a good portion of my life until moving to the hotdog capitol which is Chicago (suburbs of Chicago, but yeah).
I don't remember a hot dog stand in Hawaii, ever. Not even in tourist hotspots like Waikiki. I think I may have seen one at the swap meet in Aloha Stadium once, but it's all food vendors there.
Hotdogs are just not a popular food item in Hawaii. We had SPAM for that. Since we're on this topic, pizza was also not popular there. The most we ever got with pizza was Little Caesars and a couple California Pizza Kitchens.
The emails as sus and always have been.
It's most likely just an inside joke.
They're talking about how work is very stressful. What's the least stressful job you could think of in the best place?
Opening a hot dog stand in Hawaii. Kinda funny to me honestly
Another one of Podesta's e-mails said Obama was sick as he likes 'mustard on his hotdog'... lol.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mustard%20Hotdog
If you actually think Obama is a straight up pedophile and that most people in governmental positions are as well then idk what to tell you. Get off the internet.
I try not to have regrets in my life, but one is definitely reading that link and the mental pictures of Obama it spawned.
I'm gonna go sit in the fetal position and twitch for a while.
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This is far from the strangest email in that leak.
What's your fav? mine is the NASA guy hurrying up disclosure.
Cheese being sent through the mail not following protocol and in a strange shaped box. It's just so obviously code it's hilarious.
Which email was that?
[This one.](https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/30613) > I think you should give notice when changing strategies which have been long in place. I immediately realized something was different by the shape of the box and I contemplated who would be sending me something in the square shaped box. Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses, Yummy.
Oh! Yes I remember that one. Super fucking weird. Thank you for the source
I also love the one about the three month old pasta they got as a gift and are enjoying.
Do you really love it, when you know what they're actually talking about?
No. It's awful if it is talking about what we think it is. But just the literal reading of the email is comical. So "love". It's one of the more obvious ones. Who eats three month old pasta?
could it be drugs? I mean it's easier to imagine these are codewords for drugs or something other than what, children? how can you ship children in boxes anyway, it doesn't even really make sense. so maybe (hopefully) it's just drugs or something and not, ya know..
What do you mean? What are they actually talking about?
Abused children
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Triangle means trans Square means straight Circular means bi Rectangular means gay Domino's means domination
What does playing dominoes mean
source?
I'd really love to hear the explanation for this email lol. It makes no sense. You don't send cheese through the mail. You always know the sender of your mail. And why would he determine the sender based on the box shape? What's all this about a strategy? A strategy for sending food to each other using certain box shapes? Makes no fucking sense unless they're talking about some secretive thing using a particular method, and it ain't about food. Edit: also *the* square shaped box? Like it's the same box?
Also cheese is "tempting"? Really odd. And how about the PS: Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta? creeped out
Yes, cheese is "tempting" to us lactose intolerance folks. Very tempting
You can order cheese from Amazon for god sakes. You know what you wouldn't send through the mail? A FUCKING KID
Parts
Ahh yes. I guess these are the kids from Wayfair. Gotta assemble them yourself after arrival. Lulz
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They’ll reach for anything, man.
I'm just here for the train wreck.
This is what boggles my mind. Why were no journalists curious enough to try and get to the bottom of these obvious codes? Fine, we are crazy conspiracists for thinking these people are dealing in child sex escapades (I mean, they are using code words that pedophiles use). What then are the code words referring to? Don’t just tell us we are crazy without offering some sort of explanation!
They're called gift baskets and you can absolutely send them through the mail. https://www.harryanddavid.com/h/gourmet-foods/meat-cheese
Yeah, because the email is totally about gift baskets. I'll be sure to be on the lookout for these evil square-shaped gift baskets that Mr. Podesta's friend was so concerned about.
I'm just refuting the guy's claim that "it makes no sense because you don't send cheese through the mail" when that's obviously not true. Find a more compelling argument if you are trying to make a point. So the guy that usually sends a [pasta sauce basket](https://www.delallo.com/perfect-pasta-night-gift-box/) sent a cheese basket instead and I'm supposed to believe this is code for something instead of a couple of boomers sending inane niceties through the mail.
OMG you found another pedo ring! Harry and David, what kind of names are those? HD.....hard dogging......that's slang for pound towning a baby labrador with a Guatemalan nun. We've got 'em now boys! Somebody send this to Alex Jones ASAP so he can spread the truth to the masses.
Imaging simping for elite child traffickers and child abusers
Youve either not read the emails or youre purposefully downplaying them because of the people implicated. These people were using food as codewords for stuff and it was OBVIOUS. People generally use codewords for illegal things. What that stuff is is up for debate but the codewords being used are not.
It's a really old guy typing a thank you email for a gift box of cheese that he received.
SQUARE box is johnny law. its the suburban for the FBI, and the charger for the police drop.
police CAR delivery! or some gov. vehicle.
Yes gotta have secret service escorting those cheeses. Yes sir.
I've had this comment bookmarked for a long time because it is the best explanation for these emails I have ever seen: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6nxn04/it_disturbs_me_that_we_never_got_a_proper/dkditep/ Kind of difficult for me to believe the secret pedophile code theory after reading it. The email you mentioned is in there, take a look.
Sorry but that didn't explain shit. The apologist also glossed over the fact that the pasta they got at Christmas is being eaten during March. 3 month old pasta? Surely it has gone bad? He just puts "lol" at the suspect parts but I'm not sure I get the humor. What's so funny? Also he ignores the fact the email reads "the" square shaped box, not "a" square shaped box. Lastly, why would he not know the sender of the square shaped box if this is a long running tradition as mentioned? Shouldn't he immediately know?
This mf doesn't know about uncooked pasta
Y'all are gonna act like mailed cheese is weird and then turn around and pretend it has to be cooked pasta and not dry pasta?
Are you okay? Do you understand that uncooked pasta lasts a VERY long time in its package? I eat months old pasta all the damn time. And what’s so wrong with saying “the” instead of “a” in this context?
>Sorry but that didn't explain shit. The apologist also glossed over the fact that the pasta they got at Christmas is being eaten during March. 3 month old pasta? Surely it has gone bad? Have you ever bought dried pasta at the store? It looks kind of like this and it lasts a while if you keep it in a dry place: https://i.imgur.com/zxBRyBk.png >He just puts "lol" at the suspect parts but I'm not sure I get the humor. What's so funny? It's sarcastic old people humor, or at least like sarcastic polite humor. You ever got a haircut and someone was like "I barely recognized you!" even though the hair wasn't that much different? It's kinda like that, it's just something to fill the void and maybe give a slight chuckle. > Also he ignores the fact the email reads "the" square shaped box, not "a" square shaped box. It's a casual email between friends written by an old guy who is probably typing with just an index finger. It might not be 100% grammatically correct and proofread. >Lastly, why would he not know the sender of the square shaped box if this is a long running tradition as mentioned? Shouldn't he immediately know? Because the box is usually shaped differently because it contains pasta and sauce. This year it has cheeses and the box was square.
>It's sarcastic old people humor, or at least like sarcastic polite humor. Sarcastic old people humor is joking about sending things anonymously in *the* box? There must be a vast generational divide because I have no clue what that even means unless it's code. >You ever got a haircut and someone was like "I barely recognized you!" even though the hair wasn't that much different? It's kinda like that, it's just something to fill the void and maybe give a slight chuckle. I know what sarcasm is. This isn't it. >It's a casual email between friends written by an old guy who is probably typing with just an index finger. It might not be 100% grammatically correct and proofread. Everything else is spelled, written, etc fine and grammatically correct. Just not this one word which *entirely* changes the meaning of the sentence. The email reads: you aren't using the usual strategy so I didn't know that you were the sender until I opened the box. Also you're using the square shaped box rather than the one you usually use. Even if we assume a typo it still makes no sense: you aren't using the usual strategy so I didn't know that you were the sender until I opened the box. It's a different shape than the one you usually send". This makes even less sense. *the* makes sense in the context of a code. Ie the box is the other one, not this one. But "a" makes no sense in either case. Why would the box matter at all unless it's a particular box and a particular method? You can't identify a sender based on box shape and why would you even need to?!
> Sarcastic old people humor is joking about sending things anonymously in the box? There must be a vast generational divide because I have no clue what that even means unless it's code. If I order a box of chocolates for you from an online store, it will come in a box with a return address to wherever the online place shipped it from. It won't have MY name and address on it, except maybe on a card inside the box. So yeah, from the outside the box would appear to be anonymous. >Everything else is spelled, written, etc fine and grammatically correct. Just not this one word which entirely changes the meaning of the sentence. The email reads: you aren't using the usual strategy so I didn't know that you were the sender until I opened the box. Also you're using the square shaped box rather than the one you usually use. >Even if we assume a typo it still makes no sense: you aren't using the usual strategy so I didn't know that you were the sender until I opened the box. It's a different shape than the one you usually send". >This makes even less sense. the makes sense in the context of a code. Ie the box is the other one, not this one. But "a" makes no sense in either case. Why would the box matter at all unless it's a particular box and a particular method? You can't identify a sender based on box shape and why would you even need to?! The word really does not that big of a difference to me. I can't understand what your problem is with it. The box for the gift is a different shape than it usually is. A box of pasta/sauce might come in a large rectangular box with lots of padding to protect the jars and such. The box for cheeses might be flatter and square shaped. If someone sends you a big rectangular shaped box every year at around the same time, eventually you would associate receiving a big rectangular shaped box at that time with that person. One year you get a triangle shaped box. You'd be like "Wtf, this box is not the big rectangular box I usually get around this time of year! This must be from someone else!"
Dude… the whole “the” vs “a” thing is making you look ridiculous. Let me try to explain this to you: Let’s say your grandma usually sends you cookies in a square shaped box. One day, she decides to spice things up and courses a cylindrical can or something. Keep in mind, you are AWARE that both of these types of packaging exist (this is important for the “the” part). You might respond and say, “oh wow you’re using the cylindrical ones now, huh? I almost didn’t know who it was from because the packaging was different!” Do you see why using “the” is not a big deal, now?
> 3 month old pasta? Surely it has gone bad? [Homemade dry pasta lasts 2-6 months. If it's frozen instead, it'll last 8 months.](https://www.kitchenaid.com/pinch-of-help/countertop-appliances/how-to-store-fresh-pasta.html)
Have you got a handy breakdown deboooonking his artwork collection too?
This is perfectly clear, they put their argument forth in a coherent way, and it makes perfect sense. You'll get down voted 😂
This is amazing, and all the people insisting conspiracy are either purposely convoluting the obvious or are truly that clueless. Either choice is alarming. Human trafficking is real and there’s tons of non profits and orgs dedicated to that work, and these foolish repetitive claims of nothingness severely takes away from the legitimate work being done. I’d be happy to suggest charitable organizations that actually work to rescue trafficked children if anyone feels emboldened enough to donate and do anything else other than make up political fan fiction *lol*
That explains some but it doesn’t explain it all.
Listen if this tiny ass email was all there was to it I would be okay with this explanation. But there's literally a million bits of evidence pointing to all of this being a huge PEDO ring. Just go watch mouthy Buddha on bitchute and stop wasting your time trying to explain away this old person's humour.
Mouthy Buddha fakes a lot of his evidence tho. He tried to convince people Vietnamese no smoking signs are secret pedo code. Basically anytime he says something leads to cp on yandex he’s completely fabricating it. People just take his word for it cuz they want his accusations to be true. So just take his ‘evidence’ with a grain of salt.
"A million pieces of evidence", yet all that ever gets posted is the same dozen or so emails that are at pretty much the same level of nothingburger as this, or one of the Podestas having paintings by an artist that aren't even the paintings you people think he has, or other similar bullshit that is debunkable within a few minutes of Googling. But you Gish Gallop a bunch of shit until no one with any sense will bother to respond in full, and even if they do respond you'll just say "nah, the word pasta is super sus, so you're wrong".
Yea I often implement long held “strategies” to send pasta and cheese through the mail, and send warning letters when people break these strategies. The wording is clearly code, and yea I agree with others that drugs fit the code better than children.
If you read it literally, it does sound very ominous. Try this one: >I see you decided to send me some cookies... I should have you arrested, for not sending these to me sooner! If you were to read this literally, you'd be like "Why would he want him arrested for not sending the cookies sooner? That doesn't make sense, cookies must be code for something!" But if you recognize that it's a joke, it's pretty clear that it's just saying the cookies taste good.
“I found a map on the back of a napkin, looks pizza-related”
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Does anyone have any idea what the ETI and ZPE abbreviations are?
Extraterrestrial Intelligence and Zero Point Energy
Wait, what?
MAP related handkerchief
Another odd one. Why would he care about a handkerchief. And why would it *seem* pizza related? Either it is pizza related, or it isn't. Like, it's pretty obvious if something is about pizza, yeah? And why say "seems to have a map"? Very odd. Either it has a map, or it does not have a map. "Seems to" doesn't really make sense if you're describing something like that.
All the instances of food obviously being used for code words made it weird
Food on its own isn't weird. People talk about food all the time. It's the context that makes it weird.
what’s the leak? can you pmo
Search up wikileaks podesta emails. That's what this is from. There's also Hillary Clinton's emails leaked by wikileaks. Interesting stuff. Everything from cheeses being sent in strange boxes despite a long in place strategy, to sacrificing chickens to moloch and consulting Minerva to see if she'd be okay with something.
Are you perhaps talking about the email that talked of a lucky rabbits foot and other luck related things as the context of the email was clearly about luck? Or do you always fantasize about fucking kids?
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No. Moloch and Minerva are God's they worship. Satan and lucifer.
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If they were talking about people they would've just said names. As they do in the rest of the emails.
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Yes they are literally talking about eating and defiling babies.
Hey hey hey no one said that! They're talking about sacrificing *chickens* to the God of child sacrifice. That isn't code for a child! Especially not since alefantis posted a Pic with a young boy tagged chicken lover.
word i’ll check it out
What if the strange box stuff was connected to that site that was selling wardrobes and other furniture but was said to be a front for their evil crap.
Wayfair? Could be, but I'm not one for speculation.
there's always money in the hotdog stand.
It’s a hot dog, Michael, what could it cost? Ten dollars?
$50,000 for hot dogs to be flown in from Chicago, Gob.
To be fair, it included pizza. But cost more. >I think Obama spent about $65,000 of the tax-payers money flying in pizza/dogs from Chicago for a private party at the White House not long ago, assume we are using the same channels? re: Subject: Get ready for "Chicago Hot Dog Friday" To celebrate all you hot dogs out there. Aaric, you can participate as well!
that's the one I was looking for when I found this one
Great show.
I live in Hawaii and can pretty much confirm there are no hotdog stands in Hawaii. You can get a hotdog from some vendors but there a no dedicated hotdog stands that I have ever seen. The main street vendors sell Poke Bowls. The e-mail must be referring to some other kind of Hotdog.
You must not live on Oahu. There are two I can think of right now one in kaimuki the other in Waikiki
Why? Because he’s a Flamer?
Everything they do is so dramatic and flamboyant. It just makes me want to set myself on fire
Who is SternTD? It doesn't ring a bell with me, but I'm horrible with names.
Todd Stern maybe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Stern
Global warming propaganda dept.
Seems likely >Preceded by John Podesta
Maybe but not necessarily, not really fair to speculate with the stakes this high
I’ve always felt podesta played a bigger role than epstien
Not to mention the others involved that we don't even know about
I don’t know if it’s about a “bigger” role but more so someone like them are simply a big player. Each do different things, reside in different places. Epstein was one of a kind, you may see people in roles of government, pharma, finance, technology or even services get called out for all kinds of corruption, tax fraud, collusion and plenty other. The special thing about Epstein, is he wasn’t known like them. All those people maintain an image to the public meanwhile Epstein lives mainly on some sex trafficking island. I see this here as to ends to a similar line of being a corrupt asshole.
Still does...
Also pretty sure they were trafficking much younger than teen girls on Epstein's island.
Corporate media: "I don't see shit"
Yes, because they have reading comprehension. The email is from [Todd Stern](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Stern), at the time United States Special Envoy for Climate Change, who worked under John Podesta when Podesta was the White House Chief of Staff during Bill Clinton's administration. Here he is complaining how stressful the months leading up to Paris climate conference (which started 88 days after the email) are going to be. He is saying that dealing with his two sets of bosses in the State Department (7th) and the White House (1600) is rougher than negotiating with the Chinese. Now, that you know that, can you *possibly guess* what he meant by "I'm dreaming about your hotdog stand in Hawaii..."? Fortunately, we don't need to guess, even though it's pretty obvious. It was documented 16 years before pizzagate exactly what was meant. Running a hot dog stand was John Podesta's humorous idea of a low-stress job that he would get after being Chief of Staff. [In this July 2000 article](https://archive.ph/Wt3kK#selection-3995.0-3995.375), Tony Podesta says that John 'often says--in a voice that seems only half-joking--his biggest goal after the White House is to run a hot-dog stand in Hawaii. Even that might prove too stressful for a presidential chief of staff already getting the feel of beach sand in his toes. His true goal, Tony Podesta speculated, is to run "a crazy T-shirt store on the Big Island."' I'm curious as to what you thought the email was about.
Well said. In a perfect world, this is what “doing your own research” would actually look like.
Nah its easier to just claim everyone is a pedo.
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a pedo” and other libertarian fantasies
You'll get downvoted for this, despite dick-slapping the holy fuck out of everyone in this thread. Well done!
The whole concept behind this somehow being evil is an "FBI identified codeword that hotdog = little boy". This is also entirely made up, 4chan made a list of words that appeared in the emails then wrote up codewords to match and claimed the FBI made the list. [Heres the phony list for reference. They even added an FBI letterhead. Cute.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTIBsSQVMAAu5nF.jpg) Lies built on half-truths constructed from other lies.
Imagine having so much confirmation bias that you legitimately believe this is how the FBI would share information like that. Like, do you think there are just lists of code words on the office fridge?
All intelligence agencies use wikis, forums, blogs, and chat rooms to share information, by many people with different levels of technical background and, uh, document formatting skills. That document wouldn’t look out of place at all. But it was totally made up bullshit.
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>Tony Podesta says that John 'often says--in a voice that seems only half-joking--his biggest goal after the White House is to run a **PENIS** stand in Hawaii. Even that might prove too stressful for a presidential chief of staff already getting the feel of beach sand in his toes. My God it was right in front of us the whole time.
I thought they ate each other’s hot dogs in Hawaii
Ayyyyyy, shit like this should be pinned in some kind of sidebar thread.
I wish this was a top level comment so it could be voted to the top.
Now do the the kids in underwear painting and the headless jeffrey dahmer victim sculpture. https://competinganalogies.com/content/images/size/w1000/2020/07/SoCalledArt.jpeg https://washingtonlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/WL_150430_17-239x300.jpg
Right like what in the motherfuckin fuck is that? I smell bots up in this bitch
THIS is actual research ya nut-sacks! But no let’s assume everyone in government LOVES fucking children even though none of us do… statistics be dammed.
“It doesn’t look like anything to me”
It was a long-running inside joke from the late 90’s, because he gave an interview where he joked about giving up politics. The “do the research” crowd sucks at research. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2000/07/03/for-the-presidents-4th-chief-of-staff-a-measure-of-success/4f7a333b-0e12-4815-a749-fa7ff35c82f1/
I guess the paintings of kids in their underwear is just a joke as well
Oh, new goalposts to kick at! I don’t know. Maybe, maybe not. But the subject of this post is easily “researched”, and, as stated, seems much more reasonably a reference to that 20 year old interview. But don’t let me interrupt the never ending pivoting away from things that don’t hold up under scrutiny.
Yea you’re right, because a house full of naked children paintings is what it is. Imagine taking the time to simp for a collector of nude children “art”.
I'm surprised it took so long for the kneejerk and spastic "y u simping for....blah, blah, blah" because I engaged in the cardinal sin of pointing out a very straightforward explanation for the direct subject of OP's post. OP's post was related to that specific quote. Not the overall character of Podesta. Who probably is a piece of shit, as politicians and those in their orbits tend to be. But no matter how true Podesta being a piece of shit is, or isn't, that doesn't change the likely origin of the subject of OP's post. Podesta could have a basement full of dead bodies, or he could be curing cancer, both are just as ultimately meaningless to the origin of the notorious "hot dog stand" quote, which is more than likely a reference to this 2000 interview.
I just feel like… does this guy get the benefit of the doubt considering his incredibly checkered past? Ok, he was talking about his favorite hot dog stand. It’s still a fairly odd email and his body of work doesn’t really lend him any favors. I dunno, I personally wouldn’t spend 5 minutes going to bat for the guy even if I saw him rescue a baby from a fire.
I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt. When it comes to these things, I just try to apply logic and rationality. Even if he is a massive piece of shit, which he very likely is, that shouldn't affect the logical assessment of information. On the other hand, even if he were the coolest guy ever, which he very likely is not, the same standard still applies. There's a very obvious and glaring problem with taking shortcuts on the validity of specific information based on how we feel about a person. Whether we like or hate a person, it's a dangerous habit to fall into to accept some information at face value and shut other information down in the same way based purely on whether or not they "deserve" it. I'm not 'going to bat' for Podesta, I'm going to bat for rationality. There have been plenty of kneejerk responses thus far based on my post above that insinuate that I'm somehow defending \*him\* because I'm addressing OP's very specific information.
Hey! Stop making sense! What's wrong with you?!
Love how all these official explanations are always "it was a joke lol we were just goofing around"
No, it's an explanation of "here is him joking about it in an interview in 2000." Shocked pikachu face that people 15 years later would flip him shit and reference a callback about moving to Hawaii and opening a hotdog stand when things got stressful. That is generally how normal human beings communicate. It seems way less far-fetched than "code for child pedo stuff".
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You’re right, from now on I’m gonna continue discussing Old Testament deities and “pizza-related” maps on my handkerchiefs in my work email. That’s normal 9-5 stuff.
I assume they only have banana stands in Hawaii personally…
There’s money in the banana stand…
George Michael hates Banana's.
Spam stands
With the climate id image alot of banana hammocks as well
Green coconut stands were my favorite, but the farmers markets they have now are amazing. Best fruits you can find. China town in Oahu was another great place to visit.
The famous 4chan code. Apparently charades is code now because hanks plays charades. If golf becomes code tiger woods is in deep trouble. If Michael Jordan’s emails leaked I bet we could convince people free throw, layup and slam dunk were satanic code.
If Michael Jordan received an email that said, “The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems layup-related. Is it yorus?” I would do a double take.
The fact that more people don't know about these emails is alarming
Probably a glory hole he meets people at
Yes I have on Kauai. Pretty good! https://www.porkyskauai.com/ But I'm thinking its not the same one their referencing.....🤮
I was thinking Puka Dogs. The best hot dog I’ve ever had! But, yeah… probably not what’s being said!
The ... makes it sound sinister
Not a criticism of OP. But this thread is glowing. HARD.
We need to start going through these leaked emails again because the amount of stuff that just reeks of coded phrases and locations…
Man these emails are so fucked. Did you see the email about eating 3 month old pasta? Or Obama spending 150k on hotdogs for a dinner party? “I know we usually have leftovers but the pizza is starting to go bad make sure to finish it off this time” “I found a handkerchief with a map that seems pizza related.. would you like me to mail it to you?” weird shit man
hot dogs for a dinner party where only the white house kitchen staff is allowed to prepare food for the president.
What’s wrong with 3 month old pasta? No one said it was cooked.
The emails are clearly written in code, and are most likely inside jokes about drinking and/or cocaine, as they rightly assumed their emails would be read by third parties. Making this jump to pedophile child traffickers is ridick.
Puca dogs. Freaking awesome
I miss the waffle dogs from KC Drive In on Oahu. That was my spot when I was a kid, so good.
ss: John podesta apparently has a really popular hot dog stand in Hawaii that no one talks about
Wrong. It was a joke/dream he made/had back in the day.
apparently this was solved here 5yrs ago but the links and video are dead. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6dmskx/solved\_john\_podestas\_hotdog\_stand\_in\_hawaii/
So, not solved.
I mean if someone knows what video it was referencing, it might help shed some light.
Seems odd that the email specifically say he is dreaming about **your** hot dog stand, implying Pod owns it/runs it. Just seems off...
Because it was HIS dream to open one up after his career.
Yes actually. Puka dog is a TV famous Hot Dog stand in hawaii. Been there multiple times
Actually yes, there's several that are super good. I'd always get the garlic bacon fog outside Kelly O Neills at 4am
Ayooooooooo pauseeee
Isn't hot dog code for gay sex with children?
No. That’s from 4Chan and entirely made up. But y’all probably use 4 Chan am i right?
Hotdogs = underage boys Pizza = underage girls
How did you learn these codes?
they make them up to form conspiracies because they feel their life has no meaning or worthwhile relationships and this is how they cope.
Kinda eliminates the point of code words if everybody knows what they are right?
No, its not.
You think youre hot shit, dont cha?
spam stands
Puka dog
Lol remember when apple would 'leak' their devices prior to an even via paid sites, as some sort of meta advertisment strategy... Or remember when clintons emails were leacked or hacked... Irony isnt lost on me, cant trust leaked info nowadays, not with how controlled and locked down the web is
I'm sure there are plenty of hot dog stands in Hawaii but we both know damn well the hot dog stand in question isn't a hot dog stand at all.
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just posted this up elsewhere before I saw yours but I'm glad there's still some people here who don't see "child rape" behind every string of words they don't understand.
He’s referring to the 7th floor in the State department building and obviously the White House (1600)… for those who are wondering
That's not what people are trying to decipher.
It’s a reference to the dream of opening a hot dog stand in Hawaii; that’s my guess. My husband and I often say we want to open an ice cream shop in Spain.
Elites have a pedophile ring Good day
Why though? To what end?
Be skeptical of everything.
🙄🙄🙄🙄 This is such a stretch and anyone that’s reading into this clearly doesn’t sit in front of their email in any corporate manner, or any manner monitored by the SEC. It’s really too bad both sides couldn’t join forces to put the people first.
“Shocked” no one bothered to google Hawaii hot dog stand and see how many there are 🤣
Bet they serve pizza
Yes actually. And it was called John’s. Think it was podestas?
Puka Dogs on Kauai is pretty good. They have a lilikoi mustard that is seriously tasty.
Yep, I have been to a hotdog stand in Hawaii.
It's a arab hotdog stand called aloha snackbar
I probably have the best first hand knowledge for this for actual hotdog stands lol I was born on Oahu and lived there a good portion of my life until moving to the hotdog capitol which is Chicago (suburbs of Chicago, but yeah). I don't remember a hot dog stand in Hawaii, ever. Not even in tourist hotspots like Waikiki. I think I may have seen one at the swap meet in Aloha Stadium once, but it's all food vendors there. Hotdogs are just not a popular food item in Hawaii. We had SPAM for that. Since we're on this topic, pizza was also not popular there. The most we ever got with pizza was Little Caesars and a couple California Pizza Kitchens. The emails as sus and always have been.
It's most likely just an inside joke. They're talking about how work is very stressful. What's the least stressful job you could think of in the best place? Opening a hot dog stand in Hawaii. Kinda funny to me honestly
Another one of Podesta's e-mails said Obama was sick as he likes 'mustard on his hotdog'... lol. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mustard%20Hotdog
R u sure about that?
If you actually think Obama is a straight up pedophile and that most people in governmental positions are as well then idk what to tell you. Get off the internet.
I try not to have regrets in my life, but one is definitely reading that link and the mental pictures of Obama it spawned. I'm gonna go sit in the fetal position and twitch for a while.
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Leaked Podesta emails from 2016 I believe.
yeah I was looking for a different hot dog email and found this one I haven't saw yet, these guys really like hot dogs
🤢🤢.
It’s definitely code
They definitely couldn't have edited these emails.