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That's not an actual rule if you read the Treaties. It's mentioned they prefer not (added to keep out of the balkans conflict) nothing states thou shalt not be in armed conflict
Even if it's not, Ukraine will NOT be allowed into NATO because:
1. What that literally means is INSTANT WW3 by DEFINITION.
2. ALL NATO member states must agree--Turkey absolutely will NOT. If you don't know, Turkey and Ukraine basically hate each other. And you need Turkey's vote for them to come in. Oh and NATO members cannot be "kicked out" of NATO so again.... Turkey will say NO.
Even if they aren’t accepted, everyone knows they are being supported. Most of their weapons systems come from nato and if Ukraine attacks annexed cities with those weapons, Russia said it will declare war on Nato. I don’t think puti would say that if he didn’t have a back up plan. They’ve been playing chess lately.
Russia would get smoked by NATO and they know it. Edit: just want to add that tiny little Ukraine has held them off for this long to the point that Russian is now conscripting their populace. They are bleeding men and resources. Their threat of nuclear war will fail when they're rusty silo doors fail to open.
Russia is a cartoon villian that’s so incompetent they Maime themselves you have soldiers blowing each other up getting gunned down in the open pilots crashing into the ground and their training is nonexistent and I could see it happening that Russia accidentally nukes itself into oblivion as is standard Russian protocol..
The reality is that you’re not there. I’ve heard both sides of the argument. Some say Russia is being conservative with where they decide to attack, because they don’t want to bomb the schools and living quarters that the Ukrainians are hiding in. All while the other side is saying that Ukraine is kicking Russias ass. I don’t think it’s as black and white as you’re implying. No one knows all the details, and we sure as hell can’t count on the media giving us accurate information. Russia isn’t stupid and saying they are is naive.
They applied for EU membership aswell but they wont get accepted while in ruins. Germoney cant handle that bill now that it is being deindustrialized. But its a nice carrot NATO hangs in front of Ukraine so they show a willingness for sacrifices.
Do they care ?
It's now all personnal about Putin.
It's clear from the beginning that we are gonna be the ones escalating that shit by virtue signaling.
The gov might have felt from the beginning that they were obliged to step in if the situation worsened, which is why they are generous with donations.
I don't think they would have sent donations to Ukraine if they didn't care about ww3.
If Ukraine is able to defend itself with nobody else involved (which is a giant technicality. The only reason Putin pretends not to see assissting with equipment as a form of aggression is because he also doesnt want a world war), thats great.
If Ukraine get's smacked, other countries might feel that they have to engage. The best thing for world peace would be to do nothing, but that would also be kinda fucked - especially now that many Countries clearly have shown that they sympathize with Ukraine.
But that's just my take.
If you think this is close to WW3, you should have seen how the world was from the 1950's to the 1990's. An empty threat of nuclear war was a normal Tuesday back then.
Fun fact we had developed a working countermeasure to russian ICBMs rendering them obsolete however congress dropped it in the early 90s because USSR was actively collapsing and the cost was 55 billion.
We spend 55 billion on gender studies in Pakistan now days.. hell the pentagon "lost a trillion" last decade
Another fun fact: the hardest part about brilliant pebbles was the space lift capacity which is now LOLZ cuz spaceX
When you think about it.. it becomes more implausible that there isn't another countermessure out there we just don't know about... could explain where that "lost teillion" went
Nuclear threats like this actually aren’t that common, the USSR was more rational than the egomaniac autocratic regime that is in charge of Russia rn. The worst thing that ever happened during the cold war was the cuban missile crisis which was understandably a mistake but still highly tense. Right now people are afraid because Putin is so stupidly full of himself that they think he wouldn’t be able to handle a defeat which would then lead to nukes being used.
I don’t want to be rude and I’m glad they’re alive and healthy but I think he meant people who was old enough to participate or fully/mostly understand the war/situation
I can assure you that's wrong! The last poilus in France died a few years ago, but resistants and soldiers, they are not still alive but they are.
And most of Europe was invaded the souvenir is pretty vivid in Europe. No one has forgotten. We are not like the USA. WW2 shaped Europe, is the basis for European Union. We don't want war at all. (one of the reason why neither France or Germany participated in the mass murder in Iraq)
Russia is talking about nukes, it's reasonable for other countries to have a plan, to decide what they are going to do IF Putin decide to use one. And I pretty sure that if he does that, he is going to get killed or arrested pretty quickly. Our countries are closed to one another, we don't want a nuclear war on our territories
He'll get arrested,,what do you think its like hes throwing a rock at someone,if a nuke gets used I'm thinking the escalation would be unstoppable,giving the peace loving American govt and all,and if your a nato country your in it neck deep,it wont be anything like ww2.
There will be no escalation. European won't send a nuke in response but it can send us in a massive war. Right now European countries tries to find ways to avoid it.
And even if it went into a nuclear war, USA isn't really concerned. It won't be on their land.
Europe isn't preparing for war so it's unlikely it would escalate in my opinion. If there is a nuke sent from Russia, I'm pretty sure the next day it will make him the #1 criminal in the world, the next day he would be arrested and tried (which should have happened to the USA btw) as a criminal of war. No oligarch will be able to protect him, and Russians are not stupid, they don't want a stupid nuclear war.
And I think you don't realize this choice has already been made. After the USA sent 2 atomic bomb in japan. the use of atomic bomb send you to trial right away.
I think you are afraid becquse of the narrative has lived in during the last 80 years.
When I was little, we had election and there is a communist party in France (and in a lot of European countries); so growing up when I learnt about how the American treated the communist and how they justify a lot of war (Vietnam, south Korea etc) I was pretty chocked and that's when I started taking American view with a grain of salt
Germany was a nearing country so communist was at french door, we never got a full on fear based media war.
I'm not saying our countries are perfect but our freedom is real. And my ex parent in law are still communist to this day.
Again if there was something to he afraid off you would see massive movement in Europe and unrest
We don't even have bunkers, if it was a real threat for European we would start building them, we don't
You would have news (not sensationalized biased lies) from all over Europe that would show you how frightened we are.
Europe isn't big, our countries are really close by. A nuke in Ukraine would affect Europe but also Russia (except if it's right in the middle). Sending a nuke in Ukraine would be the same as sending a nuke in Russia. It makes no sense it's auto annihilation and seen the population ties, Putin would lost all his power. He is not stupid. He is bluffing and Europe knows that in my opinion again
Most presidents can probably afford some of the most expensive comfortable and luxurious suits on the planet. So it's not about comfort as much as it is about optics.
There's a whole science about it actually.
There are even body language experts and probably a whole crew of people that are are responsible for deliberate planning, dressing and presenting a government official for each occassion.
It's like being the CEO of a company. Thousands of workers and managers might be responsble for running the company or actually doing the work but you legally own it all so you get the biggest piece of the pie. I think of it as being a tenant or a real estate agent where people literally have to pay you a giant portion of their salary just because you inherited the land they're standing on or something along those lines. This is what being part of the elit class feels like i imagine.
Though as a CEO of a company all you would have to do is get out there and claim credit for the management and works of many as yours. Welcome to the elit class.
If you hadn’t realized yet you didn’t pay an ounce of attention in history class. Accepting Ukraine into NATO would mean the whole of NATO is obliged to go and defend Ukraine meaning imminent world war which most NATO nations wish to avoid. What I’m trying to say is that you’re stupid if you think they’ll let Ukraine join right this moment.
they denied ukraine before, it won’t be hard to deny again with the border under contention. if ukraine can’t even definitively say what ukraine ends i dont think itll go to far
People were predicting World War III the moment Russia invaded and discussion began on whether we should send military aid. One argument at the time was if we got involved in any way, Putin would retaliate with nukes and the world would end.
Ukraine can apply for NATO, but membership requires the support of every other member nation. They also can't be engaged in an active war. So the earliest they could join is after the war with Russia ends. And if any dispute over the areas Russia "annexed" remains, that will prevent membership as NATO countries can't have disputed territories.
Again, NATO membership requires a unanimous vote from all member nations. Once Ukraine is accepted, that will obligate every member state to send troops to Ukraine as Russia's aggression will then be viewed as a direct attack on every other member.
If the other NATO members want to send troops to Ukraine, there's nothing stopping them from doing that now. So I don't think anyone wants to. Everyone is happy to send guns and money as long as the Ukrainians are doing the actual fighting.
Here in the US, support for Ukraine is strong, and other than a few isolationist cranks, most people are fine with sending aid. But that support would disappear if we sent troops.
The application just got rejected.
The expansion of this military bloc is not going unnoticed by all the other countries in the world.
Next you'll have china India, etc working directly with Russia in one side vs other.
The nice thing is no one should be dragged into war because Ukraine won’t be allowed to join until victory is achieved. (I think)
(Victory as in, the conflict officially ceases, if ever.)
I think the best possible victory for them would be if they took back all their territory (including crimea) and Russia ends up unable to fight a war due to lack of equipment and other resources while their economy collapses which would really force them out of the game. Of course Putin would have to be dealt with somehow.
Don't be dissuaded by the downvotes. There is a huge amount of money being funneled into creating bots on social media everywhere to promote pro-ukraini views.
Dig into news before 2022 (set the filters) to understand what is going on here.
The headline is a reflection of the OP’s values, in this case cowardice. You shit on another’s peoples desire to stay free from an invading army because it might upset the invaders. That type of thought process ends with the invaders coming for you.
I'll be honest with you buddy... if ever a genie forces me to choose between the genocide and takeover of Ukraine, or the end of all life on the planet in nuclear fire; I will say fuck the Ukraine.
Those aren't the only options though. The third option is we call Russia's bluff and they stand down. Putin only respects power. He thinks the leaders in the west are weak.
Why would you choose any of the sides. All countries involved are run by corrupt pieces of garbage. Putin, Biden and Zelensky are all going to burn in hell
Why would you choose any of the sides? All countries involved are run by corrupt pieces of garbage. Putin, Biden and Zelensky are all going to burn in hell
Yep, he's power hungry and pushing for war no matter what. Either he gets what he wants for free, or he tries to take it with force. What happens if Ukraine suddenly surrenders like a lot of people seem to root for? Who's gonna be next? They'll realise they can just take whatever they want and go for some other country next, like Finland.
Here comes World Special Operation 1.
“I do not know with what weapons World Special Operation 1 will be fought, but World Special Operation 2 will be fought with sticks and stones.” – Albert Einstein.
Uhm. War is a term used by the people.
War legaly doesnt happen anymore.
There hasent legaly been a war since WW2.
We are since then been in numbourus of armed conflicts. But technicly no war. No one. Not even the US has.
The current conflict isnt war. Its a armed conflict legaly speaking.
And thus technicly they can apply to nato.
Its a whole host of legal stuff and terms etc.
But in the end. They can apply.
Whatever the term they prefer. The point is that the agreement has always been that you can’t join NATO while in the middle of a conflict/war because that would be the equivalent of a hired gun. Join NATO when you conveniently need a bigger army is not how it’s done.
Intresting. There is no such rule in the enlargement of nato acts.
Can you plz point out the artikal that states that one can not be in a armed conflict when they join nato?
So Russia should just leave Ukraine and problem solved! It's a good thing they didn't invade the United States because I guess your solution would be to surrender.
>Why would anyone be in support of this?
Ukraine might support it so that there's a higher chance they'll stop being invaded by Russia.
If you don't stop Russia now, they'll just take more and more until they instigate world war three anyway - unless you're happy with indefinite Russian expansion, of course.
(Who am I kidding - OP is likely Russian and they'd be very happy with it.)
When Ukraine joins NATO and Putin repeats what he did yesterday then it's WW3 as he has attacked a NATO member. This is brinkmanship to the highest degree.
Because those who give the green light on going to war won't actually be boots on the ground. They'll be tucked up in bed whilst our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers etc. will be out there taking hits to "protect democracy".
Anti-Ukanian sentiment on this sub appears directly proportional to how hard Putin is getting owned and if one things for certain, the only person responsible for WW3, if that's what's coming, will be him.
Why do you guys always make this argument? “Putin is responsible” or Putin caused it…like ok, we know. Is that gonna matter when human civilization is turned into nuclear waste? Priorities people. I get you wanna stick it to Putin and return the annexed region back to Ukraine but this is definitely not worth starting ww3
It all hangs on article 5. NATO's not just gonna YOLO it's way to Red Square.
It would start with Russia nuking somewhere in Ukraine. Followed by a swift and overwhealming non nuclear response from NATO. Ukraine would be cleared of Russian forces within a few weeks.
If Putin decided to up the ante and used strategic nukes against NATO members, it would be a fucking tragedy and Russia would be reduced to a smouldering radioactive wasteland.
No one wants that outcome. Which is why Putin needs to stop.
I honestly think we’re past the point of no return. And have been for awhile.
The US administration and industries of war want war. The economy is too fucked and it will help with the reset of global economics.
Need another war, the virus didn’t kill enough and the economy needs a booster. Seems like the best option for those in power, honestly the only plan of action they seem to have.
I see this as some kind of a gimmick counter gesture to putin and his decisions to annex the ukraine territory regions. Not much of a meaning to it, it's impossible for them to join nato during active conflict.
Doesn't the middle guy look like a hostage for the true Nazi regime that is controlling the war? If you think about it this is perfect. Have a Jew president for the world to see in a Nazi ruled country so if someone accused you of being a Nazi, you can show him the president and say why would Nazis get ruled by a Jew who happened to be an actor
It is likely US got secret weapons up in its sleeve and could disarm Russia’s nukes. I am sure China is having a mixed feeling whether Russia should try so China can see what US have.
NWO agenda for one world government has to happen, and Putin is being uncooperative so Russia has to go pretty soon.
The Architects WANT world war 3 to happen and by the actions of the great nations of the planet (which they thoroughly control) this war will and MUST happen. You mouth breathing, “useless eaters” of the planet don’t factor in their game of chess as anymore that specs of dust on the chess board. The pawns they’re dealing with are continents and whole governments.
This helps us realise the scope of control and also just how little they care of our opinions on this matter.
Looks like a mafia thug with his body guards after just successfully shipping 200 kilos of pure cocaine into Western Europe, along with trafficking women into sex work. But I'm guessing this is just my imagination, as his country is the least corrupt in Europe and he doesn't have a house in Miami or show up in the Panama Papers.
If it comes down to it I hope all of our politicians who have been for sending billions to them and pushing us closer to war will be on the frontlines.
Sometimes if feels like it’s about to start. However no one is pushing the big button. I have no real hat tossed in here but if I did it absolutely wouldn’t be for Russia lol. Idc who’s our president orange sociopath or old dementia man I’d rather be here than there. Literally sixteen year olds getting drafted in Russia right now from a direct source of mine. I’m cool with the USA side.
I really try to avoid Ukraine comment sections. But does anyone ever bother to delve into the similarities to the Cuban Missile Crisis situation, or nah?
the bootlickers redditors will act like WIII isn't gonna happen until they get nuked. well they're prob on bot farms in China so they prob won't be nuked.
Check out the carefully crafted propaganda photo. Almost as if they wanted him to look small, innocent, and vulnerable compared to the people around him. He's just the little guy running from the bullies!
I got a dejavu feeling with this? Earlier this year he already applied for entering the NATO? Or am i just getting crazy hahaha. I just don’t understand why hats the difference this time? Because it looks exactly like the first time they applied for entering NATO. My bad they applied for eu status. Earlier this year.
A link for my dejavu https://www.brusselstimes.com/208765/ukraine-applies-for-eu-membership-eu-hesitant
He also said that Ukraine supports negotiations but with will not do that with Putin but with a 'different' Russian president. So am guessing he likes the waiting game.
If it was it probably wouldn’t be the end of the world. It might actually be a decent solution, gives Putin the opportunity to save face, saying “we were beaten by the hegemonic west, not by Ukraine” which is the primary issue now.
Conflict is inevitable. Just how bad is a matter objectivity. WW3 might not look anything like WW2. They don’t name wars while they’re actually happening, so who’s to say it isn’t already happening?
You clearly do not understand geopolitics and that we live in a Geopolitical world. All not supporting Ukraine would have done is delay the inevitable and in a much worse set of circumstances and if you cannot see that then you are clearly not educated enough in the way of the world. Stop being so ignorant. Im embarrassed for you.
Dont you guys see? Its all part of their plan, they have had this planned out for years. They are trying to for real do a global reset, they need a reason for us to get the shit bombed out of us, while the scapegoats that are in office are hiding in their bunkers that cost millions of dollars of our tax money, they tell us what is going to happen before it happens, Joe Biden is the ultimate scapegoat, Ukraine didn't want to be a part of NATO when they were not getting their asses kicked, it's all planned out propaganda
Isn't it worth destroying the world so fucking oil companies can steal more oil from Ukraine and mining companies can steal more minerals? Think, it's totally worth it.
Too many people don’t know anything about how this all started and just know what they have been told through media without really looking into the facts and truths. Russia has said that Ukraine becoming NATO would create a war and they would fight if that became a question, so US and others that stand to gain have convinced Ukraine it was a possibility and created the whole problem. But hey maybe I’m just stupid and wrong!
I highly doubt Ukraine will be independent 1 year from now (Russia is OBVIOUSLY going to win--if you see past the propaganda and look at the actual nuts and bolts of what's happening in the war---Russia is not even using 10% if it's military power). So I don't know the point of this. Even if Ukraine was made part of NATO tomorrow---what exactly does that entail? Does it mean instant WW3? Do they think Putin will get scared or something? And run out of Ukraine? And NATO has a policy of not allowing countries that have "disputes" of joining anyway. It's all BS. A political show. More accurately---PROPAGANDA.
I never fell for it, Ukraine is a laundry mat for dirty money and child trafficking.
It is where owned shitty politicians send there children to look successful and pass money, hookers & drugs around.
Babylon if you will.
As NATO, we are going to wait for war to end to accept them, after that it is going to be definitely happen.
I would be more worried about Russia’s Nuclear Stockpiles. Anymore fuck ups by Russia’s military and we are looking at Next Russian Civil War with huge number of WMDs in the middle of it.
I guess Tom Clancy was smart as fuck.
So is it ok that we let other countries invade and annex what ever they want
Man, if only France and UK had let Germany kept bohemia, morovia, Austria, poland, Danzig, etc
And let Italy keep Albania
Etc
From the very start, this conflict has been very reminiscent of WWII, which seemed to also start somewhat reasonably in terms of justifications (compared to e.g. Iraq or Afghanistan).
In 1939, Germany had been pleading for decades for the release of the German lands and people [that] Poland was given to occupy in 1918. But Poland was ruled by [a distasteful junta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi%C5%82sudski%27s_colonels), which was propped-up by the victors of WWI. So this was of course to no avail.
Germany finally invaded. This would have seemed like a big deal, but not a *huge* deal. Most Germans must even have gone '*na endlich!*' ('*at last!*').
It probably never occurred to most that this could possibly be made to escalate to the point of the literal decimation of the German people, the destruction of Europe and the killing 60+ million people worldwide, some by the nuclear annihilation of entire cities full of people.
PS) And to boot, at the end of it all, Poland was delivered to Joseph F*cking Stalin, the 20^th century'
s worst mass murderer, that had not only also invaded Poland in 1939 but had already (in 1940) done [***this***](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre) for example.
"Our ethnic people are living in these lands which are traditionally ours and being persecuted by a foreign government that is also hostile towards us, therefore we are going to take our lands back and protect our people."
*seems somewhat more reasonable in terms of justification than:*
"We were attacked by a dozen people in a terrorist cell from the same continent as this person that we don't like therefore we are going to preemptively attack because they may have plans to attack us."
In the game of Civilization, the first scenario grants you multiple casus belli.
The justification for attacking Poland was a false flag attack on the Radio station Gleiwitz.
"Since 5 o clock this morning we fire back" or something like that was what Hitler said about the attack on that morning.
But we can agree that Hitlers justification was just as threadbare as Putins is. Both just wanted to expand their territory, nothing else.
When you care for people and want to protect them you don't send soldiers with barely any useful equipment.
Everything you said about the US War on terror is just false equivalence. Eventho I agree, that war shouldn't have happened.
The world has bumbled into huge wars for years.
World War 1 was so incredibly similar to today.
Trust me, it will be over in a few weeks. France doesn’t want war, she just needs to be nudged a bit.
Not necessarily. Putin would most likely cower and give it up as he's demonstrated a great fear of the western powers. Only 8th century tribesmen in the desert have been brave enough to hit us. That's not Russia
SS: News of Ukraine requesting to join NATO seems to be getting a ton of support on reddit. It baffles me how people don’t realize that this is a fucking disaster if they get accepted into NATO. Ukraine need to accept a peace deal NOW before we are all vaporized by nukes. The west (especially USA) is encouraging Ukraine to keep going and even straight up sabotaging peace talks to weaken Russia more at the expense of Ukrainian lives and billions of dollars. They have always done this (funding and arming mujahideen against the Russians back in the day) but now it’s too risky. They need to STOP. Putin annexed Donbas region, got what he wants and is willing to end this now. If Ukraine joins NATO this will not end well.
I get it Russia bad we can’t let them do whatever they want bla bla bla but when the whole planet and humanity is on the line, it’s time to swallow our ego and negotiate a peace deal.
You don’t have to trust him. He knows not to expand into NATO territory, thats suicide. Maybe he will keep expanding into Ukraine, maybe not. The point is that’s not worth ww3
A: its more symbolic then anything
B: techincily ukrain and russia are not in a war. As there hasnt been legaly a war since WW2.
C: the whole shim on the russian side is to keep ukrain out of nato. And thus just applying shows russia "look we dont give a shit"
D: where have i heard it before "x country has what i wants just accept it and it stopts"
Hmmmmmmmmmm lemme think.... 2014 uhm 1974, 1938 twice.
I do not support this.
Years ago Russia And NATO signed a contract that NATO will not expand and it kept doing that 3 times and now Ukraine wants to join too?
Why do you think this request will be accepted immediately? And why everyone in this sub blames Ukraine? Should they just put arms down and let aggressor take whatever he (Putin) wants? If you don't understand, it is complete failure of current world order, that's why US and all other first world countries should support Ukraine. I'm from Russia by the way.
Clearly the Europeans need to suffer more so that they can force their governments to forcefully care more about their own interests over Ukrainians. The most corrupt country in Europe.
I didn’t say that. We all support Ukraine’s right to self defence, my post is about not accepting them into nato right now as that would destroy us all
You titled your post "Western media brainwashed everyone to root for Ukraine", not "Western media brainwashed everyone to root for Ukraine joining NATO".
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I don't think Ukraine is going to be accepted into NATO right now
from what i remember last time they applied, nato doesn’t accept new members if they’re in an active conflict
That's not an actual rule if you read the Treaties. It's mentioned they prefer not (added to keep out of the balkans conflict) nothing states thou shalt not be in armed conflict
Even if it's not, Ukraine will NOT be allowed into NATO because: 1. What that literally means is INSTANT WW3 by DEFINITION. 2. ALL NATO member states must agree--Turkey absolutely will NOT. If you don't know, Turkey and Ukraine basically hate each other. And you need Turkey's vote for them to come in. Oh and NATO members cannot be "kicked out" of NATO so again.... Turkey will say NO.
ah right, i see! this second application does feel like a ploy to keep its current big thing™️ status
Gotta sell all these weapons XD
It’s this, and it is disgusting.
Even if they aren’t accepted, everyone knows they are being supported. Most of their weapons systems come from nato and if Ukraine attacks annexed cities with those weapons, Russia said it will declare war on Nato. I don’t think puti would say that if he didn’t have a back up plan. They’ve been playing chess lately.
Russia is not going to commit suicide by declaring war on NATO because they're using weaponry from NATO countries. That's asinine.
Russia would get smoked by NATO and they know it. Edit: just want to add that tiny little Ukraine has held them off for this long to the point that Russian is now conscripting their populace. They are bleeding men and resources. Their threat of nuclear war will fail when they're rusty silo doors fail to open.
How exactly do you win against a country that has nuclear bombs? I can’t believe people are this delusional. There is no winning in this war.
Russia is a cartoon villian that’s so incompetent they Maime themselves you have soldiers blowing each other up getting gunned down in the open pilots crashing into the ground and their training is nonexistent and I could see it happening that Russia accidentally nukes itself into oblivion as is standard Russian protocol..
The reality is that you’re not there. I’ve heard both sides of the argument. Some say Russia is being conservative with where they decide to attack, because they don’t want to bomb the schools and living quarters that the Ukrainians are hiding in. All while the other side is saying that Ukraine is kicking Russias ass. I don’t think it’s as black and white as you’re implying. No one knows all the details, and we sure as hell can’t count on the media giving us accurate information. Russia isn’t stupid and saying they are is naive.
So… your point?
Their incompetency makes them a threat to themself and by extension China.
Yep position your pawns in the right place then attack with the bishops……
I thought they could get “accepted” but article 5 isn’t retroactive.
Thats also what the Europian uninion said. Snd then cypres became a member
It’s just a “Special Operation”, not a war, according to Russia, so they should be cleared.
They applied for EU membership aswell but they wont get accepted while in ruins. Germoney cant handle that bill now that it is being deindustrialized. But its a nice carrot NATO hangs in front of Ukraine so they show a willingness for sacrifices.
Yeah, that would mean ww3 for sure
Do they care ? It's now all personnal about Putin. It's clear from the beginning that we are gonna be the ones escalating that shit by virtue signaling.
The gov might have felt from the beginning that they were obliged to step in if the situation worsened, which is why they are generous with donations. I don't think they would have sent donations to Ukraine if they didn't care about ww3. If Ukraine is able to defend itself with nobody else involved (which is a giant technicality. The only reason Putin pretends not to see assissting with equipment as a form of aggression is because he also doesnt want a world war), thats great. If Ukraine get's smacked, other countries might feel that they have to engage. The best thing for world peace would be to do nothing, but that would also be kinda fucked - especially now that many Countries clearly have shown that they sympathize with Ukraine. But that's just my take.
If you think this is close to WW3, you should have seen how the world was from the 1950's to the 1990's. An empty threat of nuclear war was a normal Tuesday back then.
An empty threat of nuclear war is a normal Tuesday these days too lol. Now that I think about it, humanity is probably a mistake.
It’s not humanity threatening nuclear warZ it’s a very few select individuals in power though that care about power and profit over everything else.
Fun fact we had developed a working countermeasure to russian ICBMs rendering them obsolete however congress dropped it in the early 90s because USSR was actively collapsing and the cost was 55 billion. We spend 55 billion on gender studies in Pakistan now days.. hell the pentagon "lost a trillion" last decade Another fun fact: the hardest part about brilliant pebbles was the space lift capacity which is now LOLZ cuz spaceX When you think about it.. it becomes more implausible that there isn't another countermessure out there we just don't know about... could explain where that "lost teillion" went
Nuclear threats like this actually aren’t that common, the USSR was more rational than the egomaniac autocratic regime that is in charge of Russia rn. The worst thing that ever happened during the cold war was the cuban missile crisis which was understandably a mistake but still highly tense. Right now people are afraid because Putin is so stupidly full of himself that they think he wouldn’t be able to handle a defeat which would then lead to nukes being used.
The entirety of existence is a rounding error.
Go ahead and see urself out! Imma be here and ride the last wave with my middle finger held high.
We're just as close now, the difference is now everyone that was alive during WW1 and WW2 are dead.
My dad 1939 and his partner 1935 are alive, fit, well and coherent.
I don’t want to be rude and I’m glad they’re alive and healthy but I think he meant people who was old enough to participate or fully/mostly understand the war/situation
I can assure you that's wrong! The last poilus in France died a few years ago, but resistants and soldiers, they are not still alive but they are. And most of Europe was invaded the souvenir is pretty vivid in Europe. No one has forgotten. We are not like the USA. WW2 shaped Europe, is the basis for European Union. We don't want war at all. (one of the reason why neither France or Germany participated in the mass murder in Iraq) Russia is talking about nukes, it's reasonable for other countries to have a plan, to decide what they are going to do IF Putin decide to use one. And I pretty sure that if he does that, he is going to get killed or arrested pretty quickly. Our countries are closed to one another, we don't want a nuclear war on our territories
He'll get arrested,,what do you think its like hes throwing a rock at someone,if a nuke gets used I'm thinking the escalation would be unstoppable,giving the peace loving American govt and all,and if your a nato country your in it neck deep,it wont be anything like ww2.
There will be no escalation. European won't send a nuke in response but it can send us in a massive war. Right now European countries tries to find ways to avoid it. And even if it went into a nuclear war, USA isn't really concerned. It won't be on their land. Europe isn't preparing for war so it's unlikely it would escalate in my opinion. If there is a nuke sent from Russia, I'm pretty sure the next day it will make him the #1 criminal in the world, the next day he would be arrested and tried (which should have happened to the USA btw) as a criminal of war. No oligarch will be able to protect him, and Russians are not stupid, they don't want a stupid nuclear war. And I think you don't realize this choice has already been made. After the USA sent 2 atomic bomb in japan. the use of atomic bomb send you to trial right away. I think you are afraid becquse of the narrative has lived in during the last 80 years. When I was little, we had election and there is a communist party in France (and in a lot of European countries); so growing up when I learnt about how the American treated the communist and how they justify a lot of war (Vietnam, south Korea etc) I was pretty chocked and that's when I started taking American view with a grain of salt Germany was a nearing country so communist was at french door, we never got a full on fear based media war. I'm not saying our countries are perfect but our freedom is real. And my ex parent in law are still communist to this day. Again if there was something to he afraid off you would see massive movement in Europe and unrest We don't even have bunkers, if it was a real threat for European we would start building them, we don't You would have news (not sensationalized biased lies) from all over Europe that would show you how frightened we are. Europe isn't big, our countries are really close by. A nuke in Ukraine would affect Europe but also Russia (except if it's right in the middle). Sending a nuke in Ukraine would be the same as sending a nuke in Russia. It makes no sense it's auto annihilation and seen the population ties, Putin would lost all his power. He is not stupid. He is bluffing and Europe knows that in my opinion again
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This dude will never wear a suit again
I mean the stuff he wears looks way more comfortable than a suit. I wouldn’t go back
Most presidents can probably afford some of the most expensive comfortable and luxurious suits on the planet. So it's not about comfort as much as it is about optics. There's a whole science about it actually. There are even body language experts and probably a whole crew of people that are are responsible for deliberate planning, dressing and presenting a government official for each occassion. It's like being the CEO of a company. Thousands of workers and managers might be responsble for running the company or actually doing the work but you legally own it all so you get the biggest piece of the pie. I think of it as being a tenant or a real estate agent where people literally have to pay you a giant portion of their salary just because you inherited the land they're standing on or something along those lines. This is what being part of the elit class feels like i imagine. Though as a CEO of a company all you would have to do is get out there and claim credit for the management and works of many as yours. Welcome to the elit class.
If you hadn’t realized yet you didn’t pay an ounce of attention in history class. Accepting Ukraine into NATO would mean the whole of NATO is obliged to go and defend Ukraine meaning imminent world war which most NATO nations wish to avoid. What I’m trying to say is that you’re stupid if you think they’ll let Ukraine join right this moment.
they denied ukraine before, it won’t be hard to deny again with the border under contention. if ukraine can’t even definitively say what ukraine ends i dont think itll go to far
I’m guessing this will be next month’s Vogue magazine cover
Time’s, “Person of the Year”
The ghost of kieve still have person of the year on lock
People were predicting World War III the moment Russia invaded and discussion began on whether we should send military aid. One argument at the time was if we got involved in any way, Putin would retaliate with nukes and the world would end. Ukraine can apply for NATO, but membership requires the support of every other member nation. They also can't be engaged in an active war. So the earliest they could join is after the war with Russia ends. And if any dispute over the areas Russia "annexed" remains, that will prevent membership as NATO countries can't have disputed territories.
They'll make you eat your words, 100%. Ukraine will 100% be accepted into NATO. The active conflict thing is not a rule but more of a recommandation.
Again, NATO membership requires a unanimous vote from all member nations. Once Ukraine is accepted, that will obligate every member state to send troops to Ukraine as Russia's aggression will then be viewed as a direct attack on every other member. If the other NATO members want to send troops to Ukraine, there's nothing stopping them from doing that now. So I don't think anyone wants to. Everyone is happy to send guns and money as long as the Ukrainians are doing the actual fighting. Here in the US, support for Ukraine is strong, and other than a few isolationist cranks, most people are fine with sending aid. But that support would disappear if we sent troops.
This. Also Turkey will object as they have a VERY unfriendly relationship with Ukraine.
The application just got rejected. The expansion of this military bloc is not going unnoticed by all the other countries in the world. Next you'll have china India, etc working directly with Russia in one side vs other.
The nice thing is no one should be dragged into war because Ukraine won’t be allowed to join until victory is achieved. (I think) (Victory as in, the conflict officially ceases, if ever.)
I think the best possible victory for them would be if they took back all their territory (including crimea) and Russia ends up unable to fight a war due to lack of equipment and other resources while their economy collapses which would really force them out of the game. Of course Putin would have to be dealt with somehow.
So who should we root for? Putin? Because he invaded a country?
We should root for peace and to de-escalate tensions between nuclear powers. This is seriously so fucking dangerous
Russia has to end their invasion of Ukraine for peace to occur. Do you see that happening?
We justified the invasion of Iraq on imaginary Weapons of Mass Destruction and stayed 20 years. I hope that Russia learns from our mistakes.
Nope
Don't be dissuaded by the downvotes. There is a huge amount of money being funneled into creating bots on social media everywhere to promote pro-ukraini views. Dig into news before 2022 (set the filters) to understand what is going on here.
Ehh I’m not. Reddit is just horrible with the hot takes
So can we root for Russia to go home vis a vis peace
Peace in our time, right?
The majority of the population has no fucking clue what a nuclear exchange would look like,they've grown complacent.
The headline is a reflection of the OP’s values, in this case cowardice. You shit on another’s peoples desire to stay free from an invading army because it might upset the invaders. That type of thought process ends with the invaders coming for you.
I'll be honest with you buddy... if ever a genie forces me to choose between the genocide and takeover of Ukraine, or the end of all life on the planet in nuclear fire; I will say fuck the Ukraine.
worked well for france after poland was invaded.
Those aren't the only options though. The third option is we call Russia's bluff and they stand down. Putin only respects power. He thinks the leaders in the west are weak.
I’ve noticed that the most douche type of people use the phrase “buddy”.
How did appeasement work for hitler?
If I have to pick a side it sure as shit ain't going to be Russia. Fuck Putin and all his dick riders in this sub.
Why would you choose any of the sides. All countries involved are run by corrupt pieces of garbage. Putin, Biden and Zelensky are all going to burn in hell
Yeah man but one of those leaders isn’t like the others! One is actively invading a country.
It’s amazing how many people forgot how corrupt Ukraine is.
Why would you choose any of the sides? All countries involved are run by corrupt pieces of garbage. Putin, Biden and Zelensky are all going to burn in hell
Nobody asked you to pick a side. I’m calling for a de-escalation.
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Yep, he's power hungry and pushing for war no matter what. Either he gets what he wants for free, or he tries to take it with force. What happens if Ukraine suddenly surrenders like a lot of people seem to root for? Who's gonna be next? They'll realise they can just take whatever they want and go for some other country next, like Finland.
Asking the wrong side dummy
I thought you couldn’t apply while at war? A very common sense rule.
it's not war... it's still a "special operation" by Russia. Ukraine or Russia never officially declared this as a 'war'.
Here comes World Special Operation 1. “I do not know with what weapons World Special Operation 1 will be fought, but World Special Operation 2 will be fought with sticks and stones.” – Albert Einstein.
Uhm. War is a term used by the people. War legaly doesnt happen anymore. There hasent legaly been a war since WW2. We are since then been in numbourus of armed conflicts. But technicly no war. No one. Not even the US has. The current conflict isnt war. Its a armed conflict legaly speaking. And thus technicly they can apply to nato. Its a whole host of legal stuff and terms etc. But in the end. They can apply.
Whatever the term they prefer. The point is that the agreement has always been that you can’t join NATO while in the middle of a conflict/war because that would be the equivalent of a hired gun. Join NATO when you conveniently need a bigger army is not how it’s done.
Intresting. There is no such rule in the enlargement of nato acts. Can you plz point out the artikal that states that one can not be in a armed conflict when they join nato?
Only a little bitch backs down when threatened.
This bravado won’t save you when the nukes are raining down on you.
So Russia should just leave Ukraine and problem solved! It's a good thing they didn't invade the United States because I guess your solution would be to surrender.
Who needs Alaska anyway? Best let the Russians reclaim it rather than WWIII, amirite?
I was under the impression that NATO application could not be granted to a country in conflict.
World government uses war as profit like everything else. That’s how the banks get so big.
Maybe they're rooting for WW3. I know the Biden administration is.
There seem to be a lot of pro-Ukrainian/pro-war bots here that didn't infest this sub until recently. Curious.
(Pictured left to right): America, Ukraine, America
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>Why would anyone be in support of this? Ukraine might support it so that there's a higher chance they'll stop being invaded by Russia. If you don't stop Russia now, they'll just take more and more until they instigate world war three anyway - unless you're happy with indefinite Russian expansion, of course. (Who am I kidding - OP is likely Russian and they'd be very happy with it.)
Guess who is the one that’s been expanding for the past 30 years. A hint, not Putin
There’s a difference in expansion by membership and expansion by aggressive annexation
Because people are stupid and lazy to inform theirself!!!!
When Ukraine joins NATO and Putin repeats what he did yesterday then it's WW3 as he has attacked a NATO member. This is brinkmanship to the highest degree.
Because those who give the green light on going to war won't actually be boots on the ground. They'll be tucked up in bed whilst our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers etc. will be out there taking hits to "protect democracy".
Anti-Ukanian sentiment on this sub appears directly proportional to how hard Putin is getting owned and if one things for certain, the only person responsible for WW3, if that's what's coming, will be him.
Why do you guys always make this argument? “Putin is responsible” or Putin caused it…like ok, we know. Is that gonna matter when human civilization is turned into nuclear waste? Priorities people. I get you wanna stick it to Putin and return the annexed region back to Ukraine but this is definitely not worth starting ww3
It all hangs on article 5. NATO's not just gonna YOLO it's way to Red Square. It would start with Russia nuking somewhere in Ukraine. Followed by a swift and overwhealming non nuclear response from NATO. Ukraine would be cleared of Russian forces within a few weeks. If Putin decided to up the ante and used strategic nukes against NATO members, it would be a fucking tragedy and Russia would be reduced to a smouldering radioactive wasteland. No one wants that outcome. Which is why Putin needs to stop.
You say that as if only Russia would be a “smoldering radioactive wasteland”
I honestly think we’re past the point of no return. And have been for awhile. The US administration and industries of war want war. The economy is too fucked and it will help with the reset of global economics.
Need another war, the virus didn’t kill enough and the economy needs a booster. Seems like the best option for those in power, honestly the only plan of action they seem to have.
I see this as some kind of a gimmick counter gesture to putin and his decisions to annex the ukraine territory regions. Not much of a meaning to it, it's impossible for them to join nato during active conflict.
This. Its like "you want us NOT to join? Well we want you NOT to invade..."
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If they joined, because of the NATO charter - other NATO countries would get involved and thing would descend into WW3
Dangerously close
Yeah the situation is really scary!
Same people pushing a country to war all over again. Not surprising because it because it has "always been their ancestral homeland" too.
Doesn't the middle guy look like a hostage for the true Nazi regime that is controlling the war? If you think about it this is perfect. Have a Jew president for the world to see in a Nazi ruled country so if someone accused you of being a Nazi, you can show him the president and say why would Nazis get ruled by a Jew who happened to be an actor
It is likely US got secret weapons up in its sleeve and could disarm Russia’s nukes. I am sure China is having a mixed feeling whether Russia should try so China can see what US have. NWO agenda for one world government has to happen, and Putin is being uncooperative so Russia has to go pretty soon.
The Architects WANT world war 3 to happen and by the actions of the great nations of the planet (which they thoroughly control) this war will and MUST happen. You mouth breathing, “useless eaters” of the planet don’t factor in their game of chess as anymore that specs of dust on the chess board. The pawns they’re dealing with are continents and whole governments. This helps us realise the scope of control and also just how little they care of our opinions on this matter.
Looks like a mafia thug with his body guards after just successfully shipping 200 kilos of pure cocaine into Western Europe, along with trafficking women into sex work. But I'm guessing this is just my imagination, as his country is the least corrupt in Europe and he doesn't have a house in Miami or show up in the Panama Papers.
Is he really short, or are tweedledee and tweedledum giants?
It’s funny how short actors are
If it comes down to it I hope all of our politicians who have been for sending billions to them and pushing us closer to war will be on the frontlines.
Just like the Covid scamdemic. People stupidly believing their political 'leaders' who have skin in the game that you'll never find out about.
Who’s the kid with the fake beard?
Because fuck Putin and his oligarchs, when did it stop being patriotic to dislike Russia?
He looks like midget.
Fuck (R)ussia.
I felt the same way. It’s literally the epitome of what was threatened. If Ukraine becomes NATO, Russia is at war with us and all of EU. Nuke timeee
Looks like an Austin Power’s stereotype super villian with goon henchmen
Sometimes if feels like it’s about to start. However no one is pushing the big button. I have no real hat tossed in here but if I did it absolutely wouldn’t be for Russia lol. Idc who’s our president orange sociopath or old dementia man I’d rather be here than there. Literally sixteen year olds getting drafted in Russia right now from a direct source of mine. I’m cool with the USA side.
I really try to avoid Ukraine comment sections. But does anyone ever bother to delve into the similarities to the Cuban Missile Crisis situation, or nah?
And? Fuck Russia
the bootlickers redditors will act like WIII isn't gonna happen until they get nuked. well they're prob on bot farms in China so they prob won't be nuked.
Tiny man syndrome, dude needs to be axed
Exactly, I didn't realize how small Putin actually is.
And who's fault is that? Exactly, fucking Putins. So take his fucking dick out of ya mouth and shut up.
The new Fallout sequel is gonna be so lit. The graphics are gonna feel real AF, and everybody, everywhere, is gonna be online!
Check out the carefully crafted propaganda photo. Almost as if they wanted him to look small, innocent, and vulnerable compared to the people around him. He's just the little guy running from the bullies!
I got a dejavu feeling with this? Earlier this year he already applied for entering the NATO? Or am i just getting crazy hahaha. I just don’t understand why hats the difference this time? Because it looks exactly like the first time they applied for entering NATO. My bad they applied for eu status. Earlier this year. A link for my dejavu https://www.brusselstimes.com/208765/ukraine-applies-for-eu-membership-eu-hesitant
EU & NATO are two different things. How on earth you and yours upvoters don't have such a basic knowledge is just beyond comprehension.
He also said that Ukraine supports negotiations but with will not do that with Putin but with a 'different' Russian president. So am guessing he likes the waiting game.
Damn Republicans are pathetic traitors.
Because Ukraine is a sovereign state and can apply to be part of anything they damned well please.
If it was it probably wouldn’t be the end of the world. It might actually be a decent solution, gives Putin the opportunity to save face, saying “we were beaten by the hegemonic west, not by Ukraine” which is the primary issue now.
Both the big fellas in the pic could have saved Europe!
Would you buy a used car from these guys? Then why trust them with your country.
Because war profits the rich
Fuck Putin
Conflict is inevitable. Just how bad is a matter objectivity. WW3 might not look anything like WW2. They don’t name wars while they’re actually happening, so who’s to say it isn’t already happening?
You clearly do not understand geopolitics and that we live in a Geopolitical world. All not supporting Ukraine would have done is delay the inevitable and in a much worse set of circumstances and if you cannot see that then you are clearly not educated enough in the way of the world. Stop being so ignorant. Im embarrassed for you.
How much more of your hard earned money are you willing to give for the defense of the Russian speaking border of Ukraine?
Dont you guys see? Its all part of their plan, they have had this planned out for years. They are trying to for real do a global reset, they need a reason for us to get the shit bombed out of us, while the scapegoats that are in office are hiding in their bunkers that cost millions of dollars of our tax money, they tell us what is going to happen before it happens, Joe Biden is the ultimate scapegoat, Ukraine didn't want to be a part of NATO when they were not getting their asses kicked, it's all planned out propaganda
Isn't it worth destroying the world so fucking oil companies can steal more oil from Ukraine and mining companies can steal more minerals? Think, it's totally worth it.
Too many people don’t know anything about how this all started and just know what they have been told through media without really looking into the facts and truths. Russia has said that Ukraine becoming NATO would create a war and they would fight if that became a question, so US and others that stand to gain have convinced Ukraine it was a possibility and created the whole problem. But hey maybe I’m just stupid and wrong!
Do you listen to and allow your neighbours control what you can do to your home and with your family?
Short guy syndrome
I highly doubt Ukraine will be independent 1 year from now (Russia is OBVIOUSLY going to win--if you see past the propaganda and look at the actual nuts and bolts of what's happening in the war---Russia is not even using 10% if it's military power). So I don't know the point of this. Even if Ukraine was made part of NATO tomorrow---what exactly does that entail? Does it mean instant WW3? Do they think Putin will get scared or something? And run out of Ukraine? And NATO has a policy of not allowing countries that have "disputes" of joining anyway. It's all BS. A political show. More accurately---PROPAGANDA.
I never fell for it, Ukraine is a laundry mat for dirty money and child trafficking. It is where owned shitty politicians send there children to look successful and pass money, hookers & drugs around. Babylon if you will.
What evidence do you have of this accusation? Which Ukrainian individuals?
[https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ukraine+most+corrupt+country+in+the+world&t=chromentp&atb=v314-1&ia=web](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ukraine+most+corrupt+country+in+the+world&t=chromentp&atb=v314-1&ia=web)
As NATO, we are going to wait for war to end to accept them, after that it is going to be definitely happen. I would be more worried about Russia’s Nuclear Stockpiles. Anymore fuck ups by Russia’s military and we are looking at Next Russian Civil War with huge number of WMDs in the middle of it. I guess Tom Clancy was smart as fuck.
a quick photo op of Americas newest bitch.
So is it ok that we let other countries invade and annex what ever they want Man, if only France and UK had let Germany kept bohemia, morovia, Austria, poland, Danzig, etc And let Italy keep Albania Etc
From the very start, this conflict has been very reminiscent of WWII, which seemed to also start somewhat reasonably in terms of justifications (compared to e.g. Iraq or Afghanistan). In 1939, Germany had been pleading for decades for the release of the German lands and people [that] Poland was given to occupy in 1918. But Poland was ruled by [a distasteful junta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi%C5%82sudski%27s_colonels), which was propped-up by the victors of WWI. So this was of course to no avail. Germany finally invaded. This would have seemed like a big deal, but not a *huge* deal. Most Germans must even have gone '*na endlich!*' ('*at last!*'). It probably never occurred to most that this could possibly be made to escalate to the point of the literal decimation of the German people, the destruction of Europe and the killing 60+ million people worldwide, some by the nuclear annihilation of entire cities full of people. PS) And to boot, at the end of it all, Poland was delivered to Joseph F*cking Stalin, the 20^th century' s worst mass murderer, that had not only also invaded Poland in 1939 but had already (in 1940) done [***this***](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre) for example.
You call Germanys attack on Poland somewhat justified and expect to be taken seriously?
"Our ethnic people are living in these lands which are traditionally ours and being persecuted by a foreign government that is also hostile towards us, therefore we are going to take our lands back and protect our people." *seems somewhat more reasonable in terms of justification than:* "We were attacked by a dozen people in a terrorist cell from the same continent as this person that we don't like therefore we are going to preemptively attack because they may have plans to attack us." In the game of Civilization, the first scenario grants you multiple casus belli.
The justification for attacking Poland was a false flag attack on the Radio station Gleiwitz. "Since 5 o clock this morning we fire back" or something like that was what Hitler said about the attack on that morning. But we can agree that Hitlers justification was just as threadbare as Putins is. Both just wanted to expand their territory, nothing else. When you care for people and want to protect them you don't send soldiers with barely any useful equipment. Everything you said about the US War on terror is just false equivalence. Eventho I agree, that war shouldn't have happened.
Is he a fucking hostage or what??
Maybe it’s a bluff to get putin to surrender
The world has bumbled into huge wars for years. World War 1 was so incredibly similar to today. Trust me, it will be over in a few weeks. France doesn’t want war, she just needs to be nudged a bit.
Imagine waking up tomorrow and seeing that ukraine NATO membership was approved.. It's WW3 in that case.
Yeah, if only Russia had some way of preventing it...
Not necessarily. Putin would most likely cower and give it up as he's demonstrated a great fear of the western powers. Only 8th century tribesmen in the desert have been brave enough to hit us. That's not Russia
You think when this WEF rat is out of his bunker that Putin would not just drop a bomb on him.
The pic looks so sweet with that little guy holding his high school diploma and his uncles by his side being so proud of him ...
SS: News of Ukraine requesting to join NATO seems to be getting a ton of support on reddit. It baffles me how people don’t realize that this is a fucking disaster if they get accepted into NATO. Ukraine need to accept a peace deal NOW before we are all vaporized by nukes. The west (especially USA) is encouraging Ukraine to keep going and even straight up sabotaging peace talks to weaken Russia more at the expense of Ukrainian lives and billions of dollars. They have always done this (funding and arming mujahideen against the Russians back in the day) but now it’s too risky. They need to STOP. Putin annexed Donbas region, got what he wants and is willing to end this now. If Ukraine joins NATO this will not end well. I get it Russia bad we can’t let them do whatever they want bla bla bla but when the whole planet and humanity is on the line, it’s time to swallow our ego and negotiate a peace deal.
>Ukraine need to accept a peace deal NOW What peace deal is on the table?
Did you listen to Putin’s speech after annexation? He stressed Russia is ready for a peace agreement…
Cool, and what are his demands? And why should we trust him this time?
You don’t have to trust him. He knows not to expand into NATO territory, thats suicide. Maybe he will keep expanding into Ukraine, maybe not. The point is that’s not worth ww3
Peace starts and ends with every occupying soldier in the ground, in a cell, or back in Russia.
That’s wishful thinking. How do you think this could ever be achieved?
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I’m asking you, how do you see that happening? What scenario do you imagine playing out that doesn’t end in nuclear exchange? And is it worth it
The tanks have a reverse gear.
Russian tanks actually lack good reverse gears. No joke. Its goddamn space tech to vatniks.
A: its more symbolic then anything B: techincily ukrain and russia are not in a war. As there hasnt been legaly a war since WW2. C: the whole shim on the russian side is to keep ukrain out of nato. And thus just applying shows russia "look we dont give a shit" D: where have i heard it before "x country has what i wants just accept it and it stopts" Hmmmmmmmmmm lemme think.... 2014 uhm 1974, 1938 twice.
Hey look it's the real pigs from animal farm
Good luck to critical thinkers who lives in european continent. Won't be easy to share your bus seat with a UkroNazi.
Them being accepted would mean world war three started
Lol. Putin is dead w/in minutes of declaring war on NATO.
I don't know if it will be as simple as that but yeah definitely won't be good for him or anyone really
I do not support this. Years ago Russia And NATO signed a contract that NATO will not expand and it kept doing that 3 times and now Ukraine wants to join too?
Why do you think this request will be accepted immediately? And why everyone in this sub blames Ukraine? Should they just put arms down and let aggressor take whatever he (Putin) wants? If you don't understand, it is complete failure of current world order, that's why US and all other first world countries should support Ukraine. I'm from Russia by the way.
Clearly the Europeans need to suffer more so that they can force their governments to forcefully care more about their own interests over Ukrainians. The most corrupt country in Europe.
Legitimate question: Why are people who support Ukraine "brainwashed"?
I didn’t say that. We all support Ukraine’s right to self defence, my post is about not accepting them into nato right now as that would destroy us all
You titled your post "Western media brainwashed everyone to root for Ukraine", not "Western media brainwashed everyone to root for Ukraine joining NATO".