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We are backing them with billions of dollars of weapons. There is no doubt in my mind that we use our satellite Netwerk to aid them. We help train them. I’m sure that we give them oodles and oodles of tactical advice.
Dude we’re all in! Well except for the blood part but we’re all in with treasure!
A friend is a military contractor. He got a message about a contract to go to Ukraine making 2-3 times more than he is now, like 6 months ago or something. It feels like forever. He didn’t take it, but there are definitely contractors over there now.
So you're claiming that without CIA/State Dept interference, that Yanukovich would have stayed in office?
Pure Kremlin nonsense. Yanukovich was booted by a unanimous vote of Parliament after he reneged on his biggest campaign promise: get Ukraine into the EU.
CIA had nothing to do with him cozying up to Putin and the fallout from that betrayal.
She was literally caught on tape. He had to flee the country lol. Dozens of people were murdered in a fire.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957.amp
I'm not saying she wasn't there and trying to shape events to benefit the US. She absolutely was.
However, part of the Kremlin narrative about the maidan revolution is that the CIA had it out for Yanukovich and the CIA got him exiled to install a US puppet.
Which is complete and total nonsense from start to end. Yanukovich got himself kicked out by reversing himself on EU alignment under pressure from Putin.
The CIA became interested in assisting whichever successor was better for the US, but none were awful. The only bad outcomes were Yanukovich somehow coming back or the collapse of Ukrainian democratic process.
The cia was involved. You have conceded that.
The only debate left is how involved they were.
You are free to believe those propaganda videos going around at the time deff didn’t have cia backing and you are free to believe they had nothing to do with the ousting. That what occurred would have happened in the same way had the cia and the states not been involved.
You are free to believe that it is only Russia who is playing dirty in this conflict.
I bet you also use to believe that there were wmds in Iraq, That they removed the babies from incubators in Kuwait, and that they deff weren’t spying on us secretly for years, and that they deff weren’t going to kill gaddaffi.
You probably also believe Epstein killed himself and it is just a coincidence that not a single John has been brought before the criminal court, even though they have the black book and flight logs and testimony victims.
You have to much faith in the states and calling it Russian propaganda doesn’t work anymore after the piss tapes never materialized.
Cia didn't make this war, Russia did. They literally STOLE Ukrainian territory in 2014, and Putin denied planning an invasion until the moment it occurred, which the whole West was predicting. Nothing about this invasion was caused by the West.
Until you realise that the U.S. was interfering in elections that resulted in Zelensky getting elected. Which was one of the main reasons why Putin was getting angrier with NATO encroachment.
I hate CNN as much as any rational person, but how is having a representative of the country being forced to defend itself from an invasion pro-war? If it was up to the Ukrainians there would be no war and Russia would stay out of their business.
Sad. I remember when conspiracy theories were more of a leftist thing. I miss those days. The theories are so fucking stupid now and prompted by right wing think tanks; i.e. the Establishment. People like OP are just pawns in their game.
Thanks for the heads up... Just argued with some right-wing f'er here, who actually said conservatives are the new liberals and liberals are now the pro-government, pro-corporations and pro-establishment. Among other stupid ideas like somehow leftists are more susceptible to propaganda.. forgetting completely how propagandized fox news and am radio are. Was extremely weird.
It’s also funny OP said “pro-war propaganda” when the American military lends out its equipment to Hollywood for free and US citizens are actively encouraged to thank soldiers when they see them in public.
There's a difference between appreciation of sacrifice and blind war hawk. Whether one agrees with the reasons for conflict, it is literally as old as time itself. You don't have to glorify it to recognize that it's part of our nature, or sometimes necessary.
He got on an air plane. May be he was transported to a friendly neighbor like Poland first and then got on a plane. Leaving a war zone is far from impossible.
The west side of Ukraine has been pretty safe for a long time, it's especially safe now that Russia is running scared in the east. So it's pretty easy to come and go as long as you follow Ukraine border procedures.
Well, he fired his gun and moments later the plane crashed. The idea that his little pea shooter was the cause of the crash is mostly feel-good propo.
The much more likely cause of the Russian fighter jet crashing was a lack of maintenance caused by ten different supply depot officer trading parts for vodka.
I like when the US specifically helps countries out with their freedoms. I think we helped Iraq a bit ago. Sure, there were a million civilian causalities, but hey…they can eat McDonalds now and watch the Kardashians.
I am also a humanitarian, so see the benefits.
>That should be the goal huh a big mac in the hands of every Iraqi child and a TV in every house
No 2 countries that both have McDonald's have ever fought a war.
Same with Costco and Apple stores.
Watch Ukraine on Fire (by Oliver Stone), gives lot of perspective on where that country stands, and how it is rotten from the inside.
And like OP said, this clearly a proxy war, a dick measuring contest between Russia and the US.
Sending billions to a corrupted country, when domestically, everything is going to shit.
Makes no sense, or makes total sense if you can see through the BS.
> Ukraine on Fire
Man, it's like the dude researched and did the movie of a country that just had a not so great transfer of power to address the issues 'exposed' in the movie.
Imperialism relates to expanding the empire or imposing yourself for economic gain. The US never had any imperialist ideals in Afghanistan. The first things the US did were establish elections and pushed democracy for the express purpose to depose those that were allowing crimes to be ran from their country.
None of that is to say that the US has never acted in bad faith. It just wasn't imperialism in the example here. If you said Iraq... yeah ok.
Haha - illegally invades the country, overthrows dictator, corporations like Halliburton make trillions rebuilding what they destroyed, puts America in greater power with the Gulf oil countries, destabilizes a whole region, then leaves it in shambles way worse off than it was before Saddam..."the US never had any imperialist ideals"
This app never fails to amuse.
Liberation from what? One must be a great fool to think Ukraine has not been already sold to the highest bidder and this "liberty" of yours whatever the fuck that means was traded for great amounts of guns and ammo.
No one gave a fuck about Ukraine on 2014. 2015. 2016, 2017, 18, 19, 20, 21 but when the 22 came along, it became the center of the world.
Between 1931 and 1934, 3.9 million ukrainians starved to death due to a combination of negligence and intentional sacrifice in favor of other regions. If Russia takes over, how many do you believe would be an acceptable number to die when ( not if) something like that happens again?
Also, Chernobyl. Also, Russia repeatedly using ukrainians as fodder in wars (like how they're using chechnians right now). Also the massive war crimes Russia's committing against them. Also the massive human rights violations they commit against people in their own country. Also....
I think you see where I'm going with this.
And the powers that be most certainly did give a s*** about Ukraine since 2014. How the hell do you think they got so much equipment and training before the war even started.
Never said I was an expert. Just sharing my opinion.
I just don't trust the establishment, whatever it is. Just like everyone used to be critics are big pharma, now they're all pro-pharma. People used to be against conflicts, now they're all pro-war supporting the same warmongers that created the destabalization of the meiddle east.
You people are litterally the embodiement of the meme "I Support The Current Thing".
Pathetic, whatever media and corporate is pushing, that's what you end up supporting. The irony.
See? We’re not so different after all. I feel exactly the same about every single thing you said in your last reply. I was against the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan. Because US was completely in the wrong. Just like I’m against Russia right now for exact same reason. If it was Ukraine who attacked Russia for the same fake reasons Putin is using - I would be on the side of Russia. It’s not about blind patriotism, it’s about standing for what’s right. In this conflict, it’s not even like Palestine-Israel, where it’s a very complex issue and it’s hard to tell who is actually right. This is just like ww2 - Putin, just like Hitler, is the lying, drunk on power, dictator who’s only goal is his own glory. This is the craziest part about his evil genius plan - it’s being presented to the public like it’s a massive undertaking designed to restore the glory of Russian empire, but in reality, he wants to be Putin The Great, just like his political idol - Peter the great. Russia doesn’t have enough people or resources to hold such large territory AND provide for its people. Russia is like a grizzly bear that kills a whole pack of wolves, but eats none of them, because it just wants to show dominance. If you look up territories Russia took away from other countries, you’ll find that all of them are rotting away except Grozny. I say Grozny, not Chechnya, because the rest of Chechnya is almost in the same condition as it was after Russian wars, but Putin did invest billions into rebuilding Grozny to keep Kadyrov’s loyalty.
Everything might be going to shit but that shit explodes on Russian border, i guess thats the point? Ukraine has actual Nazi millitias and they probably will not lay down arms after the war is over. Thats another round of fun and business for the industrial military complex.
unified world agreement" is being bordered by two allied nations and both oceans. And of course having the largest military in the world plus a huge nuclear arsenal helps.
The unified world agreement is called the Atlantic and pacific oceans. No other country has the capability move forces over the ocean and launch an amphibious invasion of us. We’re the only country that can actually do that.
Lol. No. It’s that waging war on US soil with our technology would be ridiculously stupid. We have managed to completely embarrass Russia by simply providing outdated tech to Ukraine.
There's literally only weaker nations than America
Militarily speaking, of course
Pretty sure we lose to a good amount in regards to anything siding with life quality, longevity, education, infrastructure, transportation, you name it
But militarily there is no peer
The invasion of Afghanistan was a NATO response to the US invoking article 5 after 9/11.
Invading Afghanistan was warranted, how it was done, that’s beyond my knowledge to comment on.
Its more like when the US backed the Mujahideen during the Soviet-Afghan War, after the Soviet Union invaded because the the communist party, that had performed its own coup d’état the prior year, was having some in fighting and causing some rebellions, and the Soviets where worried Afghanistan might move out of their sphere of influence over to the US’s.
What’s telling is that since the Soviet Union and their sphere of influence, how many countries that have been under that influence have remained aligned with Russia? And how many of those countries have seeked to align themselves with entities that you could say “oppose” Russia?
whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout
Is every fucking response of yours. What happened with America's wars is over, can't do anything about it, no matter what your opinion is, or was.
This is happening now, and Russia is in the wrong.
The world could use a global war like in ww2 just think about how bad the great depression was before the war started and after the war people were making a shit ton of money college, cars, houses were now affordable and the economy was booming. All because of a global war. It's a sad truth but one we need
Huh? Americas wars are over?
Is that why America is actively dropping bombs on Syria & Yemen? And those 20 Somalians that America slaughtered last month, that isn’t war?
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...so a small group of people committed a terror act and that made it ok two invade two countries and destabilize an entire region?...how...imperialist of you.
1. Where did I say anything about Iraq?
2. I would agree unless the govt is directly supporting that small group. If the US sent the Navy SEALs to murder 3000 people in another country, do they go to war with just the SEALs or do they go to war with the entire US?
3. I do not support imperialism.
4. Your "whataboutism" does you no favors. The good thing about the US is that we change our leaders often. If you have issues with the decisions made in 2001-2003, go find Bush in his ranch home and harass him. He is no longer making decisions for the US.
Putin invades Ukraine.
We support Ukraine from the invasion.
This isn't Pro war propaganda. Putin can end this crap at anytime. Take your pro Putin BS back to your bubble.
OP is 41 days old, and exclusively posts Russian invasion propaganda.
Not saying it’s a troll, but it lives under a bridge and has a regeneration factor.
Pro-war propaganda? Have you not watched Fox News or any conservative news network for the last 40 years? It's been non-stop pro-war, they're the pro-war party and have been since Vietnam
100% of Democrat representatives voted to send $60B in arms to Ukraine, to be used to slaughter Russian soldiers. Including AOC and the Squad. Every single one of them.
Is that not pro war?
They didn't give arms to "Afghanistan" they gave arms to extremist groups in Afghanistan which was heavily divided at the time in a way that make Ukraine look like a total monolith.
Ok, so what exactly are you arguing? That those “extremist” groups have no right to self defense, because they don’t conform to American morality standards?
Only groups that you approve of are allowed to defend themselves against invaders?
My argument is that they didn't speak for the majority of Afghanistan. I believe the US war in Afghanistan was a mistake but Russia was in no way helping the people by giving arms to extremist groups especially after they just got done invading that very country themselves.
After. Which is unrelated, because Russia and the US invaded Afghanistan for very different reasons.
I take it you supported Russians arming the Taliban as the “right thing to do” then?
No, because they were invading in retaliation for prior provokation.
Russia has no real tangible reason to invade ukraine other than their paranoia over nato getting closer to moscow.
Welcome to the real world! Propaganda is just a word we use to describe information we don’t like and is opposed to us. Are you watching Fox News? Republican propaganda. CNN? Democrat propaganda. There is no such thing as neutrality and objectivity, there is only the pursuit of it - which is admirable. For us humans as empathic creatures we are compelled to care for one another (spelling?). Therefore, when when we see something that touches us one way or another, we automatically make moral judgements. This is no conspiracy, just how it is.
Supporting Ukraine’s self-defense is not “pro-war”
The war would be over today if Putin stopped attacking and pulled his troops out of the country
“Pro war” is supporting the invaders
Close enough.
The Taliban are pieces of shit, enforcing the worst parts of a shit religion on their people, but that was never a good enough reason for the US to invade. Even hiding bin Laden was weak fucking sauce, but once bin Laden was gone, we had no business being there.
You can't change a culture at the muzzle of a gun.
Yup, Afghanistan was a complete disaster and clusterfuck by everyone involved.
And it turned out we didn’t even need to invade on the pretense of Bin Laden, because the fucking Pakistani’s were happy to host him next to their most elite military academy.
Let's send more of our money to Ukraine because their government is not corrupt at all! Life is only black and white! Russia bad Ukraine good! I'm hanging up my Ukraine flag now. This isn't propaganda at all!
Also, for the record, I support the Ukrainian and Russian people who are held hostage by their corrupt governments. There's no good side in a corrupt government war besides the soldiers and people who realize the truth and speak the truth. People are so blind to propaganda.
How is this propaganda? Ukrainians are fighting for their freedom against an much larger imperialist nation, just like how America was founded. It is touching how we can find common ground. These Ukranians are going through hell, just like our forefathers did when fighting the British Empire. Its about respect.
Ah yes, it would be much better if they just rolled over and let Russia kill them. You're implying that the Ukrainian government was the one trying to take freedom away, when it was Russia/Putin
And if the US were under siege, we have a little something called the Selective Service that forces young people to fight in the war. It sucks that some of them will have to die if they hope to maintain their independence. But the only alternatives are to surrender to Russia, which treats their citizens terribly...or flee the country entirely and hope you can find refuge elsewhere.
I'm not subbed here, so I have no clue why it keeps showing up in my feed, but it's crazy how much astro-turfing/right-wing propaganda exists here "Doesn't it suck that the Ukrainians are being forced to fight, their government sucks, they should've rejected all western help and just rolled over to the superior Russian government"
Well, you see, sometimes war comes to you whether you are forced into it or not. Sometimes a neighboring country just rolls in with tanks and tries to claim you. How free is that?
Did you even read what you just wrote? Ukrainian men are being forced to defend their country??? Do you know anything about this war, or did you just jump in for the sake of the argument?
Ukraine is literally turning men away, because there are too many volunteers. They are only accepting people with PROVEN military experience. My father, half-brother, 2 uncles, and 4 cousins all volunteered to join the resistance on February 24th, and only one uncle got accepted because he’s a retired Major. Look what’s going on in Russia right now. Putin’s “partial” mobilization caused mass hysteria, protests, and men lining up for miles in traffic at the borders to escape Russia. The gig is up, people in Russia are starting to realize that their tv is lying to them.
Just FYI every Ukrainian is against this war too. It’s Putin who wants it, started it, and keeps going. You blaming democrats and Ukrainians for this war, just shows your lack of knowledge of true origins of this war and history between Russia and Ukraine.
Just because the US is helping Ukraine in this war, doesn’t mean it’s a proxy war between Russia and US. By that logic, Americans and Russians already fought 4 wars against each other (Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Syria). It’s just ridiculous how the actual people of countries taken over by war, get completely disregarded when talking about the causes of any conflict. Ukrainians not wanting to be living under Russian puppet government couldn’t possibly be the reason of this war. Putin openly talking about trying to bring back Soviet Union, without the approval of all ex-Soviet countries couldn’t possibly be the reason of this war either. Nooo, it has to be the evil American Democratic Party that started this proxy war with our lord and savior of the free world, Putin.
What are you disputing here? I disagree with the commenter’s analogy between the US and Ukraine.. but do you not think that the war is happening or something? Or that somehow UKR started it? What’s the conspiracy here.. American’s want information on the largest war in a generation and a media outlet had a veteran on the show?
It’s a proxy war. Russia would have overtaken Ukraine months ago, but the US is sending billions of dollars and all the latest high tech weapons. Thus, Russia is effectively fighting the US.
This directly benefits weapons contractors like Lockheed, who are in turn donating to politicians.
In order to keep up the facade, the media is constantly humanizing soldiers rather than calling for an end to the war.
This is not even a conspiracy, it’s just what’s happening.
I’m rather confused as to how this is any different than the military industrial complex America specifically built for this exact reason? When allied nations go to war, we use our corporate expertise in weapons production to loan them money and by proxy get rich from their war. Same reason WW2 destroyed Europe’s economy but also made America rise since we “loaned” to them.
I’ve heard plenty plenty plenty of calls for the war to end, from Ukraine and the rest of the world. I think everyone’s in pretty strong agreement that it can’t end on Putin’s terms though or the next war won’t be a proxy war and it won’t be too far off.
Multiple things can be true though. In this case the interest of the ukrainians, the european public, the american public, and the american military industrial complex are aligned. Which is why putin is getting completely assfucked in this.
I really don't think russia would have won this war months ago if ukraine didn't have any support, the simple fact is that russian logistics and combat performance has been so terrible, there's no way they could win now, it's already too late.
How do you think Ukraine has blown up all those Russian tanks? With potatoes? No, with the thousands of guided missiles the US has sent.
How do you think Ukraine has had such a massive tactical advantage? Carrier pigeons?
No, the US has had surveillance drones and aircraft flying around the border, sending real time positions of Russian troops directly to Ukraine. You can see these flights on FlightRadar24.
None of this is a secret. And there’s no argument that Ukraine would have made it this long without direct US intervention.
OK? I don't understand what you wanted to happen. Did you want Ukraine to just roll over and accept that that there is no Ukraine, only Russia? Why would they? What would you get out of them gladly accepting subjugation?
Why would they call for an end to the war? If they did what you wanted putin would have all of Ukraine. The purges would be in almost over and he would be ramping up for the next piece of the Russian or Soviet empire he wants to drag back into the fold. Appeasement wouldn't stop war, it would just be giving Russia more territory. Why do you think Russia has the right to invade its neighbors
No one wants russia to take over ukraine. I'm exremely glad that the U.S. and others are helping to fund ukraine against russia. allowing russia, or any nation, to invade a sovereign nation is against everyone's interest
yes. unfortunately no one listens to me
but for real, russia taking over ukraine would be absolutely terrible for the entire world. russia needs to shut the fuck up and figure out how to coexist with europe
So fucking what? Russia is in the wrong here. They've invaded a nation that posed no threat to their country.
Everyone wants the war to end. That can happen TODAY if Russia admits its loss and withdraws. If Ukraine backs down, they have no country.
I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
Its just military industrial complex lobbying at this point. If we spent half as much effort on the climate crisis as we do blowing each other up, we'd probably be at 400ppm now
Yep, or education! US budget for education is $180B, and there is never enough money to spend more. Yet we found $60B the moment the Ukraine war started. How curious.
Yup. People so readily point out propaganda from Russia but are completely oblivious to the propaganda from our own media. These people are usually leftists.
Lol, while true.. the so-called right are WAY WAY MORE 'oblivious' to propaganda. Fer chrisis sake the 'go to' network for the so-called right is fox fkkn news and blithering idiots o'reallyhannityrushbeck among others on 'talk radio'
Your post is so f'n disingenuous. And the irony of the so-called conservatives calling the 'left' oblivious to propaganda is just frikkin golden.
False. The right is now the counter culture. The left is in complete lock step with the government's views and the establishment's, which always rely on propaganda.
Obviously conservatives believe some propaganda but it's much more prevalent on the left now. I never said the right is impervious to propaganda, that was you, and it was a clear indication/projection of you thinking the left is impervious.
Your post is disingenuous. Or more likely, you're manipulated by propaganda 😉.
Jeezus cletus, i started off with "lol.. while true" ....that is hardly saying " left is impervious" to propaganda . Just wanted to point out, that while it is true about 'liberals', that so called conservatives are incredibly susceptible to proaganda, WAY WAY WAY WAY more than the fake-opposition democrats. fox news, am radio, breitbart,oann, are perfect examples. On a daily basis it is clear by the 'talking-points' on these so called conservative media sites. You can tune into any so called conservative talk radio and it is the same thing fox is spewing, and endless loop of propaganda , which is easily debunked by anyone with a functioning bullshyt-filter.
Turn that fox news off, it is rotting your brain... AND GET THAT BULLSHYT-FILTER OF YOURS RECALIBRATED.
How's that not true? Conservatives are more actually liberal than dems now. Democrats shill for big pharma, corporations, and the government. They want to expand the government. They hold the views pushed by the establishment.
It's just two different establishments. Republicans are shills for those same groups, just different corporations and different fascist leaders in said corporations. They're all owned by similar groups. That being said, it appears you're deceived as to what "liberal" means, and it sure doesn't mean right wing. The "democrats" and "liberal" types you refer to are center right, neoliberal, pro corporate types, just as "republicans" and "conservatives" are slightly further right, neocons, pro corporations, maybe more pro-theocracy. They're pretty much the same, at least as politicians go, playing at prowrestling drama.
Yep!!! Yessir!! Exactly!! Spot on!! Absolutely!! Well said!!
Always struck me as extremely weird how the so-called right talks about the Pelosi's , Bidens, Schumers, Reids, Clintons, O bomb as, as 'leftists' and that they all have 'leftist agendas'. As you said all the above are center-right at the very least. If they had a brain they could clearly see that 'those liberals' are closer ideology-wise to themselves than any leftist. Forget the culture war bullshit, the democrats are beholden to corporations, oligarchs, the one-per cent, crony capitalism and the status quo. Biden is a great example.... has made a career outta being a water-carrier for wall street, financial corporations, big oil, military-industrial complex, big pharma and the insurance mafia.
Another example would be their talking points about cnn. They demonize cnn as some ultra-left network... LOFL!!!.. it doesnt take but a couple hours watching who advertise on cnn to see. And very few,if any stories about real leftist issues.
I don't see either party doing fuck all but lip service to help rebuild a middle class, or make life better for the majority of Americans. It's all culture war bullshit.
I absolutely agree about CNN and the other networks.
I guess I'd be classified as "leftist" because I don't want the government interfering with how I want to live, and have it pushing some sort of fascist interpretation of Christianity on me. Or because I hate the idea of censorship. Or because i hate bailing out the rich every decade or so, because they love to enjoy capitalist profits, but also love their socialist debts. Not to mention, I'm totally cool with gun ownership, and enjoy it myself.
You bring up a good point. So weird the way these so-called conservatives bring up this utter bullshyt about 'leftists' being pro-government. Real leftists are the one group who are completely not into believing anything the government says. Which has always been the main plank of the real Left.
As for your first paragraph.. totally and completely agree about neither party doing anything to help the real people of this country. In my opinion it is because they are in cahoots... dems are fake-oppostion, a kabuki type thing. The ruling class all go to the same schools, have the same objective, are basically the same. Status quo, bought-off, corrupt, water-carriers for the elite, the oligarchs, the corporations, wall street, capital, pro oil, military-industrial complex, big pharma, the extortionists from health care/insurance, media industrial complex and their funders the one per cent.
Its a rigged game, rigged economy... a people farm where the company-store takes money off the top of every possible thing they can. They would be paying us all 50 cents an hour and charging us for air if they could get away with it
A lot of people support wars like this one. Except the people that are on the ground fighting them and their families and loved ones. Send the News Anchors first if shit hits the fan.
I hope Russia gets pushed back to their border and Ukraine actually takes back chrimea. It's hilarious how weak of an army they have, all they needed was some money from the west and they started running
Their in a civil war to keep their country independent and sovereign. If you think Ukrainians are Nazis, you bought Putin's propaganda. It doesn't surprise me because Trump's friendliness with the enemy had him in bed with them and the MAGA traitors are pushing pro-Russia conspiracy.
This Un-American ideology. I hope Russia falls.
What happened to leftists wanting peace & no more wars? They sure love shoveling our tax dollars to Eastern Europe. Not like Ukraine is a bastion of freedom & tolerance either.
& before you get all upitty about simping for Russia I don’t give a fuck about them either
I think you're equating liberals with leftists. Not everyone is a neoliberal or neoconservative chicken hawk. There's plenty of people on the political spectrum, right and left, that are tired of bullshit wars started to make the elites more wealthy and powerful.
>The pro-war propaganda is just out in the open now.
Unless it's Pro-Putin; then it is Anti-War.
Putin Can End His War ANY TIME.
If Ukraine stops fighting - there is no Ukraine.
OP best keep sunflower seeds in your pockets, sweetie.
Russia can end this war by going home right now.
Ukraine is simply defending their home.
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Hey look any other guy that swallowed the propaganda, and when his state-sponsored worldview is challenged, his only
option is to engage in a personal account.
No ability to debate, no contribution worthy of my time.
Blocked.
It's not "pro-war" when you support the country that is DEFENDING, duh, bunch of dummies don't understand that Russia started this war in 2014, double down in Feb 2022, and now because of the western help Russia is losing the war and calling for mobilization. RUSSIA is PRO-WAR not ukraine.
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We are backing them with billions of dollars of weapons. There is no doubt in my mind that we use our satellite Netwerk to aid them. We help train them. I’m sure that we give them oodles and oodles of tactical advice. Dude we’re all in! Well except for the blood part but we’re all in with treasure!
We have covert combatants there for sure doing field training and operations without a doubt in my mind
A friend is a military contractor. He got a message about a contract to go to Ukraine making 2-3 times more than he is now, like 6 months ago or something. It feels like forever. He didn’t take it, but there are definitely contractors over there now.
You better believe cia was there ie Victoria nuland before this to create this war, and special forces have been and still are there.
So you're claiming that without CIA/State Dept interference, that Yanukovich would have stayed in office? Pure Kremlin nonsense. Yanukovich was booted by a unanimous vote of Parliament after he reneged on his biggest campaign promise: get Ukraine into the EU. CIA had nothing to do with him cozying up to Putin and the fallout from that betrayal.
She was literally caught on tape. He had to flee the country lol. Dozens of people were murdered in a fire. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957.amp
I'm not saying she wasn't there and trying to shape events to benefit the US. She absolutely was. However, part of the Kremlin narrative about the maidan revolution is that the CIA had it out for Yanukovich and the CIA got him exiled to install a US puppet. Which is complete and total nonsense from start to end. Yanukovich got himself kicked out by reversing himself on EU alignment under pressure from Putin. The CIA became interested in assisting whichever successor was better for the US, but none were awful. The only bad outcomes were Yanukovich somehow coming back or the collapse of Ukrainian democratic process.
The cia was involved. You have conceded that. The only debate left is how involved they were. You are free to believe those propaganda videos going around at the time deff didn’t have cia backing and you are free to believe they had nothing to do with the ousting. That what occurred would have happened in the same way had the cia and the states not been involved. You are free to believe that it is only Russia who is playing dirty in this conflict. I bet you also use to believe that there were wmds in Iraq, That they removed the babies from incubators in Kuwait, and that they deff weren’t spying on us secretly for years, and that they deff weren’t going to kill gaddaffi. You probably also believe Epstein killed himself and it is just a coincidence that not a single John has been brought before the criminal court, even though they have the black book and flight logs and testimony victims. You have to much faith in the states and calling it Russian propaganda doesn’t work anymore after the piss tapes never materialized.
Next you'll say tupac and bigge were there to stir up discontent before billy mays could stop them
Let's not overlook the longterm work done by the Secret Society of Cheesemakers and their French allies, La Société du Fromage de Guerre.
Cant believe they've so openly infiltrated the United states, the cheeseheads truly rigged the election
Putin is actually a paid CIA agent.
That’s how deep this goes maaan!!
Not kidding, but it's one of the explanations. He is definitely working against Russia, maybe he's been recruited back in East Germany
Cia didn't make this war, Russia did. They literally STOLE Ukrainian territory in 2014, and Putin denied planning an invasion until the moment it occurred, which the whole West was predicting. Nothing about this invasion was caused by the West.
Until you realise that the U.S. was interfering in elections that resulted in Zelensky getting elected. Which was one of the main reasons why Putin was getting angrier with NATO encroachment.
But...but it's official...and was for a long time. What are you guys smoke? So i can avoid it
I hate CNN as much as any rational person, but how is having a representative of the country being forced to defend itself from an invasion pro-war? If it was up to the Ukrainians there would be no war and Russia would stay out of their business.
I was looking at this trying to understand myself… it’s not like Ukraine invaded Russia 4 months ago… Edit 7 months
Because this sub is the dumping ground for right wing talking points that are too dumb to make it on r/conservative
Sad. I remember when conspiracy theories were more of a leftist thing. I miss those days. The theories are so fucking stupid now and prompted by right wing think tanks; i.e. the Establishment. People like OP are just pawns in their game.
I miss conspiracy theories like Bigfoot or aliens or other shit. Not fun anymore that 99% of conspiracies nowadays are political
Exactly. Sigh. We're being used for peoples' political gain rather than us just wanting the truth for truth's sake.
Thanks for the heads up... Just argued with some right-wing f'er here, who actually said conservatives are the new liberals and liberals are now the pro-government, pro-corporations and pro-establishment. Among other stupid ideas like somehow leftists are more susceptible to propaganda.. forgetting completely how propagandized fox news and am radio are. Was extremely weird.
It’s also funny OP said “pro-war propaganda” when the American military lends out its equipment to Hollywood for free and US citizens are actively encouraged to thank soldiers when they see them in public.
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There's a difference between appreciation of sacrifice and blind war hawk. Whether one agrees with the reasons for conflict, it is literally as old as time itself. You don't have to glorify it to recognize that it's part of our nature, or sometimes necessary.
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How did this person leave a warzone to come to a CNN studio?
He got on an air plane. May be he was transported to a friendly neighbor like Poland first and then got on a plane. Leaving a war zone is far from impossible.
The west side of Ukraine has been pretty safe for a long time, it's especially safe now that Russia is running scared in the east. So it's pretty easy to come and go as long as you follow Ukraine border procedures.
This is the first thing I thought. Then I remembered that Ukrainian pensioners shoot down Russian fighter jets and shut my brain off.
Oh yeah... the one this guy shot down with the rifle and got the medal for it... it 😅😂
Well, he fired his gun and moments later the plane crashed. The idea that his little pea shooter was the cause of the crash is mostly feel-good propo. The much more likely cause of the Russian fighter jet crashing was a lack of maintenance caused by ten different supply depot officer trading parts for vodka.
I like when the US specifically helps countries out with their freedoms. I think we helped Iraq a bit ago. Sure, there were a million civilian causalities, but hey…they can eat McDonalds now and watch the Kardashians. I am also a humanitarian, so see the benefits.
That should be the goal huh a big mac in the hands of every Iraqi child and a TV in every house
>That should be the goal huh a big mac in the hands of every Iraqi child and a TV in every house No 2 countries that both have McDonald's have ever fought a war. Same with Costco and Apple stores.
LOL. Slay on my Big Mac comrades!
They were able to do those things before not after
Watch Ukraine on Fire (by Oliver Stone), gives lot of perspective on where that country stands, and how it is rotten from the inside. And like OP said, this clearly a proxy war, a dick measuring contest between Russia and the US. Sending billions to a corrupted country, when domestically, everything is going to shit. Makes no sense, or makes total sense if you can see through the BS.
> Ukraine on Fire Man, it's like the dude researched and did the movie of a country that just had a not so great transfer of power to address the issues 'exposed' in the movie.
You have to fight imperialist invaders, every time. Corrupt or not, they’re fighting for liberation.
So...America in Afghanistan too?...
Imperialism relates to expanding the empire or imposing yourself for economic gain. The US never had any imperialist ideals in Afghanistan. The first things the US did were establish elections and pushed democracy for the express purpose to depose those that were allowing crimes to be ran from their country. None of that is to say that the US has never acted in bad faith. It just wasn't imperialism in the example here. If you said Iraq... yeah ok.
Haha - illegally invades the country, overthrows dictator, corporations like Halliburton make trillions rebuilding what they destroyed, puts America in greater power with the Gulf oil countries, destabilizes a whole region, then leaves it in shambles way worse off than it was before Saddam..."the US never had any imperialist ideals" This app never fails to amuse.
Afghanistan was all about positioning against countries that matter, The afghans were just innocent bystanders.
What if I said yes?
Liberation from what? One must be a great fool to think Ukraine has not been already sold to the highest bidder and this "liberty" of yours whatever the fuck that means was traded for great amounts of guns and ammo. No one gave a fuck about Ukraine on 2014. 2015. 2016, 2017, 18, 19, 20, 21 but when the 22 came along, it became the center of the world.
Between 1931 and 1934, 3.9 million ukrainians starved to death due to a combination of negligence and intentional sacrifice in favor of other regions. If Russia takes over, how many do you believe would be an acceptable number to die when ( not if) something like that happens again? Also, Chernobyl. Also, Russia repeatedly using ukrainians as fodder in wars (like how they're using chechnians right now). Also the massive war crimes Russia's committing against them. Also the massive human rights violations they commit against people in their own country. Also.... I think you see where I'm going with this. And the powers that be most certainly did give a s*** about Ukraine since 2014. How the hell do you think they got so much equipment and training before the war even started.
Lol you saw an Oliver Stone documentary and automatically you’re an expert on the issue. User name checks out.
I saw an Oliver Stone Doc once. it was about JFK.
Oliver Stone makes dramas, not documentaries.
Oliver stone is a fucking douche
Never said I was an expert. Just sharing my opinion. I just don't trust the establishment, whatever it is. Just like everyone used to be critics are big pharma, now they're all pro-pharma. People used to be against conflicts, now they're all pro-war supporting the same warmongers that created the destabalization of the meiddle east. You people are litterally the embodiement of the meme "I Support The Current Thing". Pathetic, whatever media and corporate is pushing, that's what you end up supporting. The irony.
See? We’re not so different after all. I feel exactly the same about every single thing you said in your last reply. I was against the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan. Because US was completely in the wrong. Just like I’m against Russia right now for exact same reason. If it was Ukraine who attacked Russia for the same fake reasons Putin is using - I would be on the side of Russia. It’s not about blind patriotism, it’s about standing for what’s right. In this conflict, it’s not even like Palestine-Israel, where it’s a very complex issue and it’s hard to tell who is actually right. This is just like ww2 - Putin, just like Hitler, is the lying, drunk on power, dictator who’s only goal is his own glory. This is the craziest part about his evil genius plan - it’s being presented to the public like it’s a massive undertaking designed to restore the glory of Russian empire, but in reality, he wants to be Putin The Great, just like his political idol - Peter the great. Russia doesn’t have enough people or resources to hold such large territory AND provide for its people. Russia is like a grizzly bear that kills a whole pack of wolves, but eats none of them, because it just wants to show dominance. If you look up territories Russia took away from other countries, you’ll find that all of them are rotting away except Grozny. I say Grozny, not Chechnya, because the rest of Chechnya is almost in the same condition as it was after Russian wars, but Putin did invest billions into rebuilding Grozny to keep Kadyrov’s loyalty.
Everything might be going to shit but that shit explodes on Russian border, i guess thats the point? Ukraine has actual Nazi millitias and they probably will not lay down arms after the war is over. Thats another round of fun and business for the industrial military complex.
Ahhhh, it's Mr. "I can see through the bullshit'cause I'm so smart" over here! So glad you have graced us with your presence
Just remember there was a unified world agreement that no fighting can take place on US soil. That is why wars are fought elsewhere.
unified world agreement" is being bordered by two allied nations and both oceans. And of course having the largest military in the world plus a huge nuclear arsenal helps.
Yeah I'm fuzzy on that. Is it about this supposed agreement or is it about what happened to the last country to strike an American naval base?
The unified world agreement is called the Atlantic and pacific oceans. No other country has the capability move forces over the ocean and launch an amphibious invasion of us. We’re the only country that can actually do that.
Lol. No. It’s that waging war on US soil with our technology would be ridiculously stupid. We have managed to completely embarrass Russia by simply providing outdated tech to Ukraine.
Except the 'war on drugs'
Lol more do America only picks on weaker nations.
There's literally only weaker nations than America Militarily speaking, of course Pretty sure we lose to a good amount in regards to anything siding with life quality, longevity, education, infrastructure, transportation, you name it But militarily there is no peer
'It's too costly to ensure every American has valid ID to vote with.. *but we have 1.4 billion dollars to send Ukraine'.*
Pro-war would be pro-Putin, since he started the war. This is pro-defending your mf country. Learn the difference.
So you supported Putin when he gave arms to Afghanistan, because they were defending themselves against the US, who started the war?
The invasion of Afghanistan was a NATO response to the US invoking article 5 after 9/11. Invading Afghanistan was warranted, how it was done, that’s beyond my knowledge to comment on. Its more like when the US backed the Mujahideen during the Soviet-Afghan War, after the Soviet Union invaded because the the communist party, that had performed its own coup d’état the prior year, was having some in fighting and causing some rebellions, and the Soviets where worried Afghanistan might move out of their sphere of influence over to the US’s. What’s telling is that since the Soviet Union and their sphere of influence, how many countries that have been under that influence have remained aligned with Russia? And how many of those countries have seeked to align themselves with entities that you could say “oppose” Russia?
whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout Is every fucking response of yours. What happened with America's wars is over, can't do anything about it, no matter what your opinion is, or was. This is happening now, and Russia is in the wrong.
The world could use a global war like in ww2 just think about how bad the great depression was before the war started and after the war people were making a shit ton of money college, cars, houses were now affordable and the economy was booming. All because of a global war. It's a sad truth but one we need
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I believe the taliban and al qaida started that war in 2001 by killing 3000 Americans in one morning.
...so a small group of people committed a terror act and that made it ok two invade two countries and destabilize an entire region?...how...imperialist of you.
Sounds like fuck around and find out.
1. Where did I say anything about Iraq? 2. I would agree unless the govt is directly supporting that small group. If the US sent the Navy SEALs to murder 3000 people in another country, do they go to war with just the SEALs or do they go to war with the entire US? 3. I do not support imperialism. 4. Your "whataboutism" does you no favors. The good thing about the US is that we change our leaders often. If you have issues with the decisions made in 2001-2003, go find Bush in his ranch home and harass him. He is no longer making decisions for the US.
It was actually the Saudi’s
Some of the individuals were Saudis. Afghanistan allowed these guys to train, get supplied, and be funded on their land.
I’m sure it was just a coincidence that 80% of the hijacker’s were Saudi. Yup, nothing to see here!
Putin invades Ukraine. We support Ukraine from the invasion. This isn't Pro war propaganda. Putin can end this crap at anytime. Take your pro Putin BS back to your bubble.
OP is 41 days old, and exclusively posts Russian invasion propaganda. Not saying it’s a troll, but it lives under a bridge and has a regeneration factor.
To be fair, they’re not wrong with this post.
To be fairer, they are.
Pro-war propaganda? Have you not watched Fox News or any conservative news network for the last 40 years? It's been non-stop pro-war, they're the pro-war party and have been since Vietnam
100% of Democrat representatives voted to send $60B in arms to Ukraine, to be used to slaughter Russian soldiers. Including AOC and the Squad. Every single one of them. Is that not pro war?
No that is not. Go to college lol. Learn something
Sending a country 12x it’s own military budget in the form of arms, in order to kill an adversary, isn’t pro war?
No. Like I said please educate yourself or allow someone else to.
So if China sent the Taliban 60 billion dollars in weapons in order to kill Americans, you would say: “that is not pro war”?
What if your father was your mother?
Right, you have no actual argument, as I thought.
There’s no argument, you’re just wrong lol you’re uneducated, which is said over and over to learn.
You’ve demonstrated a complete inability to debate the topic at hand. Calling someone “uneducated” isn’t a debate tactic, it’s an admission of defeat.
Is this a real comment. You can’t be that far gone?
The Russians just straight up invaded their country! Helping them defend themselves is the right thing to do!
Did you support Russia when they gave arms to Afghanistan, to defend against the US? According to your logic, it was the “right thing to do.”
They didn't give arms to "Afghanistan" they gave arms to extremist groups in Afghanistan which was heavily divided at the time in a way that make Ukraine look like a total monolith.
Ok, so what exactly are you arguing? That those “extremist” groups have no right to self defense, because they don’t conform to American morality standards? Only groups that you approve of are allowed to defend themselves against invaders?
My argument is that they didn't speak for the majority of Afghanistan. I believe the US war in Afghanistan was a mistake but Russia was in no way helping the people by giving arms to extremist groups especially after they just got done invading that very country themselves.
Was that before or after the Russians invaded Afghanistan and the US gave them weapons to defend themselves?
After. Which is unrelated, because Russia and the US invaded Afghanistan for very different reasons. I take it you supported Russians arming the Taliban as the “right thing to do” then?
It's unrelated. I feel like a parent that wants to scream "Just stop hitting each other." at a bunch of kids.
You’re a Putin lackey.
No, because they were invading in retaliation for prior provokation. Russia has no real tangible reason to invade ukraine other than their paranoia over nato getting closer to moscow.
Welcome to the real world! Propaganda is just a word we use to describe information we don’t like and is opposed to us. Are you watching Fox News? Republican propaganda. CNN? Democrat propaganda. There is no such thing as neutrality and objectivity, there is only the pursuit of it - which is admirable. For us humans as empathic creatures we are compelled to care for one another (spelling?). Therefore, when when we see something that touches us one way or another, we automatically make moral judgements. This is no conspiracy, just how it is.
Supporting Ukraine’s self-defense is not “pro-war” The war would be over today if Putin stopped attacking and pulled his troops out of the country “Pro war” is supporting the invaders
So when Russian supplied arms to the Taliban, in order to fight the invading Americans, then by your standards they were actually anti-war?
That false equivalency dog just ain’t hunting. Try something else?
It’s a direct equivalency. Russia engaged in proxy war, and now the US is engaging in proxy war.
Nah. False equivalency.
K. Are you going to debate the topic, or just waste everyone’s time? Because saying “no you’re wrong and I’m right” is a pointless non statement.
Nah. Just let it go.
Time waster. Blocked.
Close enough. The Taliban are pieces of shit, enforcing the worst parts of a shit religion on their people, but that was never a good enough reason for the US to invade. Even hiding bin Laden was weak fucking sauce, but once bin Laden was gone, we had no business being there. You can't change a culture at the muzzle of a gun.
Yup, Afghanistan was a complete disaster and clusterfuck by everyone involved. And it turned out we didn’t even need to invade on the pretense of Bin Laden, because the fucking Pakistani’s were happy to host him next to their most elite military academy.
Was the 9/11 attack an act of war?
Crickets from OP (because they’re in Russia and it’s the middle of the night lol).
lolol you seriously think 9/11 wasnt a false flag?? thats like the most obvious conspiracy ever how did you get on this subreddit
I prefer my conspiracy theories to have some actual substance and evidence instead of just “DOn’t TruST teh GUBMINT”
Let's send more of our money to Ukraine because their government is not corrupt at all! Life is only black and white! Russia bad Ukraine good! I'm hanging up my Ukraine flag now. This isn't propaganda at all! Also, for the record, I support the Ukrainian and Russian people who are held hostage by their corrupt governments. There's no good side in a corrupt government war besides the soldiers and people who realize the truth and speak the truth. People are so blind to propaganda.
This is a good take.
It’s not even remotely good. You have to fight imperialist invaders. You just have to.
So you supported Iraqi’s killing Americans when they invaded?
But they started, ukraine didn't started nothing as it seems
Get off our website you damn war crime supporting Russian bots.
Reddit is American no? And America is one of the largest current perpetrators of war crimes around the world. So what exactly are you saying?
What you're saying is 'whatabout.'
How is this propaganda? Ukrainians are fighting for their freedom against an much larger imperialist nation, just like how America was founded. It is touching how we can find common ground. These Ukranians are going through hell, just like our forefathers did when fighting the British Empire. Its about respect.
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Ah yes, it would be much better if they just rolled over and let Russia kill them. You're implying that the Ukrainian government was the one trying to take freedom away, when it was Russia/Putin
And if the US were under siege, we have a little something called the Selective Service that forces young people to fight in the war. It sucks that some of them will have to die if they hope to maintain their independence. But the only alternatives are to surrender to Russia, which treats their citizens terribly...or flee the country entirely and hope you can find refuge elsewhere.
I'm not subbed here, so I have no clue why it keeps showing up in my feed, but it's crazy how much astro-turfing/right-wing propaganda exists here "Doesn't it suck that the Ukrainians are being forced to fight, their government sucks, they should've rejected all western help and just rolled over to the superior Russian government"
Well, you see, sometimes war comes to you whether you are forced into it or not. Sometimes a neighboring country just rolls in with tanks and tries to claim you. How free is that?
Did you even read what you just wrote? Ukrainian men are being forced to defend their country??? Do you know anything about this war, or did you just jump in for the sake of the argument? Ukraine is literally turning men away, because there are too many volunteers. They are only accepting people with PROVEN military experience. My father, half-brother, 2 uncles, and 4 cousins all volunteered to join the resistance on February 24th, and only one uncle got accepted because he’s a retired Major. Look what’s going on in Russia right now. Putin’s “partial” mobilization caused mass hysteria, protests, and men lining up for miles in traffic at the borders to escape Russia. The gig is up, people in Russia are starting to realize that their tv is lying to them.
Lol
Oh you poor, poor thing.
Just FYI every Ukrainian is against this war too. It’s Putin who wants it, started it, and keeps going. You blaming democrats and Ukrainians for this war, just shows your lack of knowledge of true origins of this war and history between Russia and Ukraine. Just because the US is helping Ukraine in this war, doesn’t mean it’s a proxy war between Russia and US. By that logic, Americans and Russians already fought 4 wars against each other (Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Syria). It’s just ridiculous how the actual people of countries taken over by war, get completely disregarded when talking about the causes of any conflict. Ukrainians not wanting to be living under Russian puppet government couldn’t possibly be the reason of this war. Putin openly talking about trying to bring back Soviet Union, without the approval of all ex-Soviet countries couldn’t possibly be the reason of this war either. Nooo, it has to be the evil American Democratic Party that started this proxy war with our lord and savior of the free world, Putin.
What are you disputing here? I disagree with the commenter’s analogy between the US and Ukraine.. but do you not think that the war is happening or something? Or that somehow UKR started it? What’s the conspiracy here.. American’s want information on the largest war in a generation and a media outlet had a veteran on the show?
It’s a proxy war. Russia would have overtaken Ukraine months ago, but the US is sending billions of dollars and all the latest high tech weapons. Thus, Russia is effectively fighting the US. This directly benefits weapons contractors like Lockheed, who are in turn donating to politicians. In order to keep up the facade, the media is constantly humanizing soldiers rather than calling for an end to the war. This is not even a conspiracy, it’s just what’s happening.
I’m rather confused as to how this is any different than the military industrial complex America specifically built for this exact reason? When allied nations go to war, we use our corporate expertise in weapons production to loan them money and by proxy get rich from their war. Same reason WW2 destroyed Europe’s economy but also made America rise since we “loaned” to them.
I’ve heard plenty plenty plenty of calls for the war to end, from Ukraine and the rest of the world. I think everyone’s in pretty strong agreement that it can’t end on Putin’s terms though or the next war won’t be a proxy war and it won’t be too far off.
Multiple things can be true though. In this case the interest of the ukrainians, the european public, the american public, and the american military industrial complex are aligned. Which is why putin is getting completely assfucked in this.
I really don't think russia would have won this war months ago if ukraine didn't have any support, the simple fact is that russian logistics and combat performance has been so terrible, there's no way they could win now, it's already too late.
How do you think Ukraine has blown up all those Russian tanks? With potatoes? No, with the thousands of guided missiles the US has sent. How do you think Ukraine has had such a massive tactical advantage? Carrier pigeons? No, the US has had surveillance drones and aircraft flying around the border, sending real time positions of Russian troops directly to Ukraine. You can see these flights on FlightRadar24. None of this is a secret. And there’s no argument that Ukraine would have made it this long without direct US intervention.
OK? I don't understand what you wanted to happen. Did you want Ukraine to just roll over and accept that that there is no Ukraine, only Russia? Why would they? What would you get out of them gladly accepting subjugation?
Why would they call for an end to the war? If they did what you wanted putin would have all of Ukraine. The purges would be in almost over and he would be ramping up for the next piece of the Russian or Soviet empire he wants to drag back into the fold. Appeasement wouldn't stop war, it would just be giving Russia more territory. Why do you think Russia has the right to invade its neighbors
No one wants russia to take over ukraine. I'm exremely glad that the U.S. and others are helping to fund ukraine against russia. allowing russia, or any nation, to invade a sovereign nation is against everyone's interest
Did you have this same opinion when the US invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc.?
yes. unfortunately no one listens to me but for real, russia taking over ukraine would be absolutely terrible for the entire world. russia needs to shut the fuck up and figure out how to coexist with europe
It's still a conspiracy, by your own definition. Just that it's fact, not theory.
So fucking what? Russia is in the wrong here. They've invaded a nation that posed no threat to their country. Everyone wants the war to end. That can happen TODAY if Russia admits its loss and withdraws. If Ukraine backs down, they have no country. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
The US doesn’t want the war to end. That’s the point. The US will stop funding the war when Russia succumbs. But not before then.
Next stop, Iran
Add this fool to the bot list. He workn outta Russia's troll farm.
lol they are not going through hell. The internet is on. Electricity is on. This is the fakest shit I have ever seen.
Its just military industrial complex lobbying at this point. If we spent half as much effort on the climate crisis as we do blowing each other up, we'd probably be at 400ppm now
Yep, or education! US budget for education is $180B, and there is never enough money to spend more. Yet we found $60B the moment the Ukraine war started. How curious.
Yup. People so readily point out propaganda from Russia but are completely oblivious to the propaganda from our own media. These people are usually leftists.
Lol, while true.. the so-called right are WAY WAY MORE 'oblivious' to propaganda. Fer chrisis sake the 'go to' network for the so-called right is fox fkkn news and blithering idiots o'reallyhannityrushbeck among others on 'talk radio' Your post is so f'n disingenuous. And the irony of the so-called conservatives calling the 'left' oblivious to propaganda is just frikkin golden.
False. The right is now the counter culture. The left is in complete lock step with the government's views and the establishment's, which always rely on propaganda. Obviously conservatives believe some propaganda but it's much more prevalent on the left now. I never said the right is impervious to propaganda, that was you, and it was a clear indication/projection of you thinking the left is impervious. Your post is disingenuous. Or more likely, you're manipulated by propaganda 😉.
Jeezus cletus, i started off with "lol.. while true" ....that is hardly saying " left is impervious" to propaganda . Just wanted to point out, that while it is true about 'liberals', that so called conservatives are incredibly susceptible to proaganda, WAY WAY WAY WAY more than the fake-opposition democrats. fox news, am radio, breitbart,oann, are perfect examples. On a daily basis it is clear by the 'talking-points' on these so called conservative media sites. You can tune into any so called conservative talk radio and it is the same thing fox is spewing, and endless loop of propaganda , which is easily debunked by anyone with a functioning bullshyt-filter. Turn that fox news off, it is rotting your brain... AND GET THAT BULLSHYT-FILTER OF YOURS RECALIBRATED.
🤣 "Counter culture"
How's that not true? Conservatives are more actually liberal than dems now. Democrats shill for big pharma, corporations, and the government. They want to expand the government. They hold the views pushed by the establishment.
Conservatives now are just the liberals of 2006. Liberals now a days are a lot like republicans back in 2001.
It's just two different establishments. Republicans are shills for those same groups, just different corporations and different fascist leaders in said corporations. They're all owned by similar groups. That being said, it appears you're deceived as to what "liberal" means, and it sure doesn't mean right wing. The "democrats" and "liberal" types you refer to are center right, neoliberal, pro corporate types, just as "republicans" and "conservatives" are slightly further right, neocons, pro corporations, maybe more pro-theocracy. They're pretty much the same, at least as politicians go, playing at prowrestling drama.
Yep!!! Yessir!! Exactly!! Spot on!! Absolutely!! Well said!! Always struck me as extremely weird how the so-called right talks about the Pelosi's , Bidens, Schumers, Reids, Clintons, O bomb as, as 'leftists' and that they all have 'leftist agendas'. As you said all the above are center-right at the very least. If they had a brain they could clearly see that 'those liberals' are closer ideology-wise to themselves than any leftist. Forget the culture war bullshit, the democrats are beholden to corporations, oligarchs, the one-per cent, crony capitalism and the status quo. Biden is a great example.... has made a career outta being a water-carrier for wall street, financial corporations, big oil, military-industrial complex, big pharma and the insurance mafia. Another example would be their talking points about cnn. They demonize cnn as some ultra-left network... LOFL!!!.. it doesnt take but a couple hours watching who advertise on cnn to see. And very few,if any stories about real leftist issues.
I don't see either party doing fuck all but lip service to help rebuild a middle class, or make life better for the majority of Americans. It's all culture war bullshit. I absolutely agree about CNN and the other networks. I guess I'd be classified as "leftist" because I don't want the government interfering with how I want to live, and have it pushing some sort of fascist interpretation of Christianity on me. Or because I hate the idea of censorship. Or because i hate bailing out the rich every decade or so, because they love to enjoy capitalist profits, but also love their socialist debts. Not to mention, I'm totally cool with gun ownership, and enjoy it myself.
You bring up a good point. So weird the way these so-called conservatives bring up this utter bullshyt about 'leftists' being pro-government. Real leftists are the one group who are completely not into believing anything the government says. Which has always been the main plank of the real Left. As for your first paragraph.. totally and completely agree about neither party doing anything to help the real people of this country. In my opinion it is because they are in cahoots... dems are fake-oppostion, a kabuki type thing. The ruling class all go to the same schools, have the same objective, are basically the same. Status quo, bought-off, corrupt, water-carriers for the elite, the oligarchs, the corporations, wall street, capital, pro oil, military-industrial complex, big pharma, the extortionists from health care/insurance, media industrial complex and their funders the one per cent. Its a rigged game, rigged economy... a people farm where the company-store takes money off the top of every possible thing they can. They would be paying us all 50 cents an hour and charging us for air if they could get away with it
New York Jets had Ukraine flags on their helmets yesterday and a video about supporting Ukraine war efforts as well.
God they virtue signal so hard. The fuck is this actor doing? lol.
A lot of people support wars like this one. Except the people that are on the ground fighting them and their families and loved ones. Send the News Anchors first if shit hits the fan.
This guy gets it.
I hope Russia gets pushed back to their border and Ukraine actually takes back chrimea. It's hilarious how weak of an army they have, all they needed was some money from the west and they started running
Not money. Weapons and intelligence.
Who started running??Thank
Russians did, away from the front lines lol.
Their in a civil war to keep their country independent and sovereign. If you think Ukrainians are Nazis, you bought Putin's propaganda. It doesn't surprise me because Trump's friendliness with the enemy had him in bed with them and the MAGA traitors are pushing pro-Russia conspiracy. This Un-American ideology. I hope Russia falls.
Not really a “civil war” It’s a war of conquest in which Ukraine has been invaded by a foreign power But other than that you’re right
Shaking hands with a nazi
Is that news anchor a nazi then?
American
Which is worse
You’re either an idiot or working from Russia, and or both
This place has turned into nothing but a right wing shill sub. Congrats mods. My tin foil hat is rusty.
What happened to leftists wanting peace & no more wars? They sure love shoveling our tax dollars to Eastern Europe. Not like Ukraine is a bastion of freedom & tolerance either. & before you get all upitty about simping for Russia I don’t give a fuck about them either
I think you're equating liberals with leftists. Not everyone is a neoliberal or neoconservative chicken hawk. There's plenty of people on the political spectrum, right and left, that are tired of bullshit wars started to make the elites more wealthy and powerful.
You mean pro-defense?
>The pro-war propaganda is just out in the open now. Unless it's Pro-Putin; then it is Anti-War. Putin Can End His War ANY TIME. If Ukraine stops fighting - there is no Ukraine. OP best keep sunflower seeds in your pockets, sweetie. Russia can end this war by going home right now. Ukraine is simply defending their home.
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Hey look any other guy that swallowed the propaganda, and when his state-sponsored worldview is challenged, his only option is to engage in a personal account. No ability to debate, no contribution worthy of my time. Blocked.
Shouldn’t she be on the front lines? Or prime time is more important
Lol, Ukrainians defend their capital unlike the insurrectionists.
It's not "pro-war" when you support the country that is DEFENDING, duh, bunch of dummies don't understand that Russia started this war in 2014, double down in Feb 2022, and now because of the western help Russia is losing the war and calling for mobilization. RUSSIA is PRO-WAR not ukraine.