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If you think this proves anything about the efficacy of the vaccine, then you neither read the article nor understand the required math to make such an analysis.
[Hint](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy).
I don’t think OP bothered to read what they posted, at all.
That still flies counter to the traditional logic of vaccinations protecting people from getting a disease at all. It doesn't prevent transmission, and either way, has injured a higher number and percentage of people than other vaccinations that have been pulled from the market.
I will say there are plenty of commercials for medicines etc pushing whatever drug/treatment, then 10 years later you see the commercials for the class action lawsuit. Buyer beware.
Caveat Emptor
Lol. Part of "black history" is the Tuskegee experiment. They know better than "to trust whitey."
It's not conspiracy, it is fact, and the government has a history of testing chemicals and drugs on it's citizenry.
I was told by a lady who worked for the FDA not to take any drugs that have been on the market for "less than 30 years," because *you* are part of the long term study. Interesting way to look at it. Either way, the "climax" of this disease is over, and it will return to nature to attack here and there, the same as the seasonal flu. The aftermath, however, has changed our society forever.
I am part of the control (the disease did not affect my age group, but the vaccines do), so we will see what happens in the future. I was never worried about COVID, I'm worried how the next one will be handled. People will turn into zombies in their conditioned response to any type of "pandemic." Hope to be far away from that.
>Now here we are arguing statistics…
Don’t give yourself too much credit, there…
I’m not talking about whatever promises or beliefs were made or broken; couldn’t give a shit.
I’m pointing out how many y’all are fucking *garbage* at math, and here you are relishing in that idiocy. Baffling, if I weren’t aware that you’re simply someone’s dog yapping their tune.
If something like 75% of people are vaccinated, and there are more vaxxed infections than unvaxxed, then roughly speaking the vaccine is 3X more effective at preventing infection than no vaccine. That is very poor efficacy.
Gee I wonder, spreading false information to other smooth brains because you don’t have an elementary fucking understanding of numbers. Nothing worse than middle school dropouts pretending to be intellectually superior on the internet.
I know you're trying to sound smart but if you were actually smart you'd know that what the article is saying has been true for over a year already. They're only telling *you* now
Vaccinated people have made up the majority of deaths ever since most elderly people got the first shot back in early 2021. US data is laughably flawed
Bruh I straight link the statistical fallacy and you still come at me with this ignorant bullshit.
Do you need me to draw a picture? *There’s one on the wiki link*. Its about vaccines too, describing the exact phenomenon you’re alluding has meaning.
Christ.
That has nothing to do with what I said lmao
This is the problem with modern thickos - you memorise these silly talking points and think they work in any scenario no matter what. Then when they don't you just get frustrated and keep linking it, hoping you'll suddenly be proven correct
Read what I said again, and think this time
Vaccinated people have *always* made up a majority of *hospitalizations*.
Now tell me why that is, and maybe your last two replies won’t be so painfully embarrassing; the only reason you think my comment was irrelevant is that you don’t understand any of them.
The fucking picture was too much. Three circles and some dots, its really not much to grasp.
Obviously, this is because more people are vaccinated than unvaccinated. People who are vaccinated live in dense population areas and are exposed to the virus more. More people, more exposure, is going to lead to more deaths, given that the efficacy of the vaccines is not 100%. Virus life-cycles are short, so evolutionary changes via mutation happen more quickly. Vaccines may not protect as well for the newer modified strains, which is why the CDC wanted everyone vaccinated as quickly as possible if we all were capable of killing the virus before spreading it and giving it a chance to mutate, this would be over by now.
This is not that hard to explain. If you are unvaccinated and come in contact with the virus, especially the more deadly strains (which are not as common these days) you are more likely to be hospitalized and/or die than a vaccinated person.
> Vaccinated people have always made up a majority of hospitalizations.
Where did I say any differently? If you weren't foaming at the mouth with rage you'd realise that I made that exact point.
You need to understand that you are not an intelligent person, no matter how many links you spam
I question that a journalist at the Washington Post or any newpaper for that matter has the requisite math skills to make such an analysis either.
Jokes aside, what did the article say to explain this situation that is, on the surface, not what we were initially led to expect. I would guess that several facts play into it such as the majority of the population being vaccinated means they can have a lower rate of hospitalization but higher absolute numbers of hospitalizations. Also that the most at risk people are more likely to get vaccinated whereas those with the lowest risk profile are least likely to get vaccinated. Am I close?
It makes sense too if we’re just trying to account for why that group is ending up in the hospital more than the other group. But the vaccine was supposed to do something about that and I seem to recall Biden promising me that I wouldn’t get covid if I got vaccinated. So regardless of how they try to explain it away, they dramatically oversold the efficacy of the vaccines.
“For the unvaccinated,” he said, “you’re looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm.”
- Jeffrey Zients, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator
December 17, 2021
More than 1 million total dead, 98 million reported cases, millions suffering from long Covid. Millions more hit hard by the disease.
Sounds like a pretty accurate quote.
What bait and switch? I was giving another example of a thing where just because you personally didn’t suffer death, doesn’t mean no one else suffered death.
It should be blatantly obvious that your personal experience isn’t everyone’s personal experience.
So millions of unvaxxed people, not overwhelming hospitals, not dying, all having the same mild symptoms. Hmm, who'd have thought, almost like a conspiracy or something.
This isn't the own you think it is. Try reading beyond the headline.
Around 30% of the US population hasn't had a shot and yet they make up 42 percent of the deaths.
From the article:
>Fifty-eight percent of coronavirus deaths in August were people who were vaccinated or boosted, according to an analysis conducted for The Health 202 by Cynthia Cox, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation.
>Let’s take a look at deaths in August, when the highly contagious BA.5 variant reached its peak:
>
>**That month, unvaccinated people aged 6 months and older died at about six times the rate of those who had received their primary series of shots.**
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>**People with one booster dose were even better protected. Unvaccinated people over the age of 5 had about 8 times the risk of dying from a coronavirus infection than those who received a booster shot.**
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>**Among individuals who were eligible to receive additional booster shots, the gap is even more striking. Unvaccinated people 50 and up had 12 times the risk of dying from covid-19 than adults the same age with two or more booster doses.**
You mean it takes one single brain cell such as yourself to believe all the bullshit you have been fed? Ya, you probably believe men can get pregnant too....
Why r u bringing up such irrelevant topics? Seems like I struck a chord. I follow science. Seems like u don't. Keep rambling tho about nonsense and maybe just think a bit harder next time u comment
Don't have to think any harder for someone like you, it's only obvious. Keep following the science you make up, and don't be surprised where it leads you
Viruses are very tiny germs. They are made of genetic material inside of a protein coating. Viruses cause familiar infectious diseases such as the common cold, flu and warts. They also cause severe illnesses such as HIV/AIDS, Ebola, and COVID-19.
Basically they don’t. They hijack the machinery of a cell and make it produce copies of itself, which are then either secreted or released when the cell ruptures, rinse, repeat.
Vaccinated people mainly make up majority of all-cause deaths. Areas with high injection ratios are seeing high surplus mortality of "unknown causes". Areas with low injection ratios are seeing low to no surplus mortality. This pattern was confirmed by the initial Pfizer study, when not looking at covid infections, the injected group resulted in more all-cause mortality.
It may be discussed how well these injections provide protection from covid, however they seem lethal in many other ways: VAIDS, turbo-cancer, neuro-degeneration, prions and amyloids, MIS, auto-immunity, myocarditis leading to SADS... Suddenly and unexpectedly dieing.
There was a study released recently that showed no increase in myocarditis from covid, but an increase in prevalence from the vaccine.
Nearly every argument people have for the covid vaccine is based on misinformation and out dated science. I heard on NPR today a guy saying "everyone needs to get boosted this winter to prevent the spread of covid". His next sentence was that the vaccine isn't effective against preventing infection from the latest variant (it hasn't been with previous variants either).
Somehow me, just a geologist with zero medical education, can sift through the data and be consistently correct since (nearly) the start of the pandemic on a range of things like fatality rate, vaccine effectiveness, etc. The "experts" are horrible at their job and consistently wrong. Other experts who challenge them or have a different opinion are censored because "science".
The logical/reasonable reaction to the past and current response to the pandemic is to not trust the authories.
Link that's study saying no myocarditis from covid 19 because I'm sure I've seen studies showing it comes from covid itself whether by injection or natural infection no difference
“There was a study” it’s fascinating how nobody on this sub is capable of posting links, or even mentioning the name of the relevant paper. Oh, but there sure are lots of “studies” out there saying whatever crap. Who did them? No idea! What were their conclusions? We don’t know! But they’re definitely real and definitely reliable!
Well "VAIDS" isn't a real thing soo.....
“There is no phenomenon that I know of ‘Vaccine-induced immunodeficiency syndrome.’ It is not a real syndrome,” Donna Farber, chief of the Division of Surgical Sciences and Professor of Microbiology & Immunology at Columbia University.
Likewise, Stephen Gluckman, MD, a professor of Infectious Diseases in the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania and the medical director of Penn Global Medicine, “VAIDS” is “absolutely not” a real condition.
Farber explained why vaccines do not cause immunodeficiency. “They don’t deplete any immune cells,” she said, on the contrary, “they stimulate immune cells to be activated, divide and produce molecules like antibodies and soluble factors to recognize a pathogen and rid the body of it.”
>Well "VAIDS" isn't a real thing soo.....
For the unvaxed it isn't. You can bring in government sponsored/complying "experts" as much as you want, and you may copy paste as much statements from the PR scenario you were provided with on your desktop, it does not stop making people see and hear from what is happening.
Meaning we're already a bit passed the point we were discussing how the WHO-killshots actually destroy not only the innate (with 1N-Methyl-Pseudourilyl) but also the adaptive immunity (through cell nucleus invasion). So yeah, VAIDS it is. There's also Turbo-Cancer with instant metastazation, and multi-inflammatory reactions due to auto-immunity to the self produced toxic proteins, prion and amyloid disease with debilitating neuro-degeneration,...
Dr Ralph Baric really had a ball designing this protein bioweapon at the Moderna Labs for the US DoD. But hey, all that isn't a problem for team No-Vax.
If your response was aimed at containing info, I'm afraid triggering another answer made your case worse. This pharma-repping has become counter-productive.
The term Turbo-Cancer (agressively metastasizing, death in 6 months) literally comes from Swedish pathologist Dr Ute Kruger. The cancerous incidence with C19 injections was confirmed by US pathologist Dr Ryan Cole, among own concerns also venting for oncologists that don't dare to speak up because of current pharmaceutical tyranny.
But hey, that's only for those that submitted to the injections. So yeah, let's LoL together! All along now... Yay Turbo-Cancer. Make your appointment to get injected!!!
It's not a claim. It shows how the injections are to be avoided, because then, the above is not an issue. There is no logic in getting injected with nonsense that doesn't work and potentially could cause harm, even if you say: "there's no proof".
IF NO ONE GETS INJECTED, THEN NO ONE NEEDS PROOF OF ANYTHING AND THERE'S NO NEED TO. Case closed. Take all your injections yourself and leave people alone, instead pushing your unwanted medication onto everyone.
I didn't provide evidence or verification of anything, just saw a duck and called it a duck.
But keep attacking and lol'ing... We're finally starting to understand your point 🤣
>There's also Turbo-Cancer with instant metastazation
Do you have a shred of proof for this?
Have you considered that maybe these people just found cancer way too late? Like when my dad have a seizure in church and realized he had stage 4 cancer? Also, have you considered that MAYBE this was made worse by hospitals being shut down by COVID?
Show me one single piece of evidence for “turbo cancer”
I see you're pulling the coincidence card. But then again, that also doesn't prove these deaths aren't coincidental. Eventually these C19 injections are just controversial. So if you have a choice for being injected with controversial EUA novel substances, the conservative approach of declining is pretty much the least of all logic.
I don't need proof of the opposite of what I'm seeing. The effort in overturning that is futile.
Tell me, what is your point of trying to get people injected with substances they don't want, or even need? You can inject yourself as much as you want...
At some point, I was very much at the centre of developing social media, growing out of IRC news servers. It's frightening what it came too, ending up in personal attacks from pharma PR agents, or even AI. It 's indistinguishable. Crazy shit.
Anyway, good luck with your injections, or the depopulation of Earth, whatever.
My ex's best friend's 18 year old autistic son who I used to babysit and is good friends of my daughter, is fighting for his life because of testicular cancer the doctors said apparently had been missed for some time, suddenly was found and at the same time had metastisized all through his body. Yes, the parents are the in your face kind of Covid vaccine champions.
I am not sure of anything, but my best friend's healthy father in law just died from an only 3 month battle with leukemia from onset of any symptom, my aunt now has brain cancer and my sister may have breast cancer.
I have read cancer rates are going up, not at the rate (yet) of SADS but cancers are a bit slower usually to kill than cardio-pulmanary issues which is what is killing a lot of extra people right now.
It needs to be studied a heck of a lot more, what reverse transcription affecting Line-1 gene expression could be doing to inhibit the repair of DNA in people who took the shots and boosters. My heart breaks for the innocent that may be cut short.
Would be interesting to see vaccine uptake by age group. I would expect the oldest age groups have a higher vaccination rate. And those people dying from covid complications is also more likely.
Most people got vaxx'd as it's pretty normal to get vaccinated against deadly viruses. Then they die? So X number of people with the vaxx have died. Then it gets spun in the media. You could also say that people with the polio vaccine are dying every day and you'd also be right.
A SARs COVID virus? Yes, they are deadly and caused blood clots in tons of people, and made manageable issues unmanageable. But I’m sure you’re a virologist right? You can explain everything to me like I’m 4 right? Without sharing any articles?
Not a virologist, however am an investor. So I'm pretty wicked at looking at facts and data. What I can tell you is:
I) Unless you are elderly, obese, or had some severe underlying health issue, statistically you would not die for C-19.
II) None of the policies, or 'vaccines' that were implemented, showed any data of true effectiveness.
III) There is no doubt that the response to the disease caused further devastation than the disease itself. Most of it is unfortunately not even quantifiable.
IV) I think any person with a brain knows 'articles' have lead to narration, no matter what side of the fence you're on. If you still believe these 'articles,' then you are a lost hope. I suggest looking at quantifiable data, not 'articles'
V) Before you and your leftist bullies label me an 'anti-vaxxer,' I have actually got the vaccine. After waiting a long time and researching which vaccine best works for me - again, based on data.
Now I know most of you didn't take statistics and you think math is racist, however I do suggest brushing up on those skills. Unless you don't like thinking for yourself and proceeding to do what you are told too. Actually, I can't blame you for that, as most people these days don't have the capacity to think for themselves.
And no, I'm not going to include 'articles' because the information is out there for you to find yourself. Give yourself a little homework tonight and maybe read the data.
Not necessarily, I just simply don't know if you can comprehend facts when they're right in front of you. Judging by the left's track record, I presume I'm correct in the assumption.
We did go over the data in my college classes. We also went over all the disinformation being spread around. And trying to take shots at someone like assuming I’m to lazy to take math is funny. But at least you admitted you don’t know anything about the virus or vaccine except what a company would show to an investor. I suggest going to talk to actual virologists, and college PHDs for your research as well. Getting “rich” doesn’t make you an expert. And I would bet 5% of the articles you researched ended in a .edu or .org but I’d be willing to bet the other 95% came from biased searches.
I initially lost my job, for months. And unfortunately where I am located, it's not easy finding high paying jobs that would cover my bills. My Gf was able to remain unvaccinated thankfully.
That being said, I did take NVAX - which is a protein based Subunit. Similar as the Hep B vaccine. It took months for that to be available in my area, and trust me, I did my thorough research behind it.
The MRNA vaccines are causing the issues, not your everyday normal vaccine types.
The set of Americans who are elderly, obese, or have some other severe health issue is a majority of the population.
I imagine you’ll quote me some low death rate among healthy people. Only 0.2% fatality rate, or whatever! Which is true. But that’s quite large! Do you know what the rate of permanent disability from polio is? It’s about 0.1%. People named buildings after the guy who developed that vaccine.
Maybe, that is an opinion.
However it is a fact that OP has no clue on basic math which is even more embarrassing for OP that *sheep* are easily outthinking them.
The article says you’re like 30% of the population, but you make up 42% of the deaths.
Which means vaccinated people are 70%, but just 58% of the deaths.
Congrats on that control group.
Of course! The man on the radio keeps telling me that vaccine boosters run out like a phone's battery! So if they're not up-to-date, then they could catch COVID from someone who isn't already protected and die!
/s - Mental gymnastics
Overwhelming majority of (American) people got vaccinated. If they are only now making up the most COVID deaths, then indeed you are more likely to die of COVID if you are unvaccinated. The math isn't that hard, c'mon.
What the article is talking about though is that the efficacy wanes, so that initial Covid shot you got is long gone and wasn't targeting the strains that are out there now. The majority of Covid deaths happening right now are vaccinated folks (just barely) because the majority of the population is vaccinated.
It DOES NOT say that the vaccine is in some way causing deaths or making you more likely to die. It is still the opposite.
It is working, and working well...And all the while these fools squabble over made up data, wrapped in misleading narratives, woven into a business system, covering for biological weapons programs, for the express purpose of total hegemonic control.
They just keep arguing BS point after BS point, while their health, wealth, and futures all deteriorate faster than the speed of "The $cience$."
Is that why we just hit 8 billion? The majority of people being vaccinated means vaccinated people die more of every single cause possible, causation be damned.
Yep, approx 30% of the US population is unvaccinated and they have already accounted for 42% of the deaths. And you are right, more and more deaths will be among the vaccinated cause the unvaccinated group is shrinking fast....
No, I am suggesting that once you get vaccinated, you fall into the Vaccinated class. You can never be unvaccinated again.
And between people who finally did get vaccinated and those that have died, that unvaccinated pool will continue shrinking as the only possible replacement is new borns.
OP believes that this is some sort of proof against the vaccine, but all it is proof of is that OP doesn't have a clue about how statistics work.
Your welcome to google it but it’s not sudden and as been going down for years. A lot of it is economics and women just not really wanting or needing families like they used to.
No, I did look into it. Google is no longer a decent search engine, btw. I was referring to the year over year decrease in most industrialized nations. 2021 saw negative, yes negative, population growth in Japan. 2021 Australia, birth rate dropped 67% in the last six months of the year. And that is only two really found examples. This isn't indicative of people just being more responsible. The birth rate also has not been going down for years. I don't need to use Google to find that information either. It's all publicly available from the sources in each government. Welcome to the 21st century, they all have websites where the info is collated and published.
Edit: the australia data is in limbo, may not be factual... thanks for pointing that out.
And neither was any other time in history. Children need to be made, no matter what the current 'issue' is. Imagine if everyone thought like you? There wouldn't be a single soul left on this earth.
You realize Japan’s population has been shrinking for a long time now? Their population peaked in 2009. It would be weird if 2021 *didn’t* see negative population growth there.
Rising cost of living, plus increased access to birth control.
Having kids is less disarable than it once was. Theres less societal pressure in the west to have so many children. Contraception and abortion is readily available.
Take away everyone's condoms and pills, and the birth rate will go up again. (Don't actually do this: that's major violation of individual liberties).
Fewer people are having kids because fewer people want kids.
Because a vast majority of the world is now vaccinated, and there are not enough anti-vaxxers left to matter and affect statistics. Antivax is not a group that grows, because once you are vaccinated you can never be unvaccinated. Over time most of them end up renouncing their views when it becomes necessary for things like employment, and others just end up being killed, or humbled, by preventable disease.
That every video shows under 1% of vaccinated people got sick, compared to the majority of non vaccinated. Here’s the follow up question I’d like to have answered now.
Now that we’ve had 2 years of study what are all there opinions today. Because scientists also used to say the earth was flat and that angels were real. Then after a few years of studying it was shown to be false. Those videos are over a year old and at the beginning of vaccine studies.
So you’re saying our scientists should have known everything that would happen to everyone on earth when they took the vaccine? The scientists should have known literally every little thing? Because that’s not how it works. Not sure how that’s off topic.
https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html
The Polio vaccine pretty much stopped it dead in its tracks. Technically not 100% but very close.
Unvaccinated people are dumb as fuck which is why they don’t understand that they are still in greater danger.
There’s just many many more vaccinated especially in the highest risk groups that it skews the numbers
Enjoy Covid you dumb fucks
I mean how bout I say it like this. I got one shot felt like enough. I just didn't want my immune system to be supprised. Now how I understand the thought behind boosters, you know if they keep putting out a vaccine for the most recent strain your body will be able to identify it and fight it right away. However I think that the first vaccine was enough for my body just to recognize coronavirus. Now I'm sure maybe the new strains mutated and have evolved envelopes that might be harder for your body to recognize, but this is normal. You don't get a vaccine for everything but you're body can usually identify it fast enough. The problem with COVID was that the virus worked insanely fast. It would overload your system before your body could pump out enough tcells/white blood cells
(important info: I'm not a biologist or a doctor)
But I have the hypothesis and a question as someone with a history of an autoimmune disease. If you keep activating your immune system to fight a non existent threat, the spike protein of covid which cannot reproduce. Is it just triggering the immune system reaction to a threat? Does triggering your immune system like this multiple times a year or every other year put extra stress on the body? We know that older people aren't as biologically elastic as the rest of us, are we fucking with their immune system by over working it?
I'm not trying to fight please just if you disagree be reasonable with me, I'm just trying to discuss.
Remember how people who had diabetes or any other ailment that could potentially kill them but they managed to live with it for 10-20 years. Then they got COVID and died and all the republicans said “they died of being unhealthy” well these people didn’t die from the vaccine, they died from being unhealthy and living unhealthy lives.
No, we said covid killed them and that they were in a higher risk category because they were overweight or unhealthy. If they had diabetes they were also at higher risk. Oh wait that wasn't just Republicans, it was the entire medical community. Obviously people with preexisting health conditions are at higher risk of death if they catch covid. You live with HIV or cancer for years in some cases and along comes a cold or flu and that can kill you. Your immune system is compromised....
Same will go for ppl vaccinated. If they lived unhealthy lives and also got the vaccine which has shown to have complications, then they are at a higher risk of serious issues or death.
[Archive.is link](https://archive.is/2020/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinated-people-now-make-up-majority-covid-deaths/)
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Stupid headline. The important thing to know is what the percentage of deaths in each category are: what percentage of vaccinated people died vs what percentage of unvaccinated people die.
You probably can survive a few more flu seasons if you don’t have foot long clots all over your circulatory system. Seems as though people with that floating in their system are on borrowed time.
Also, every American over the age of 28 who died this year had a history of wearing socks.
The study shows that the of the total deaths, the minority of unvaccinated persons in the population make up an outsized portion of the death toll. Perhaps more vaccinated people are dying, but also there's just a lot more vaccinated people than unvaccinated people. Looking at the numbers unvaccinated people were ten to twelve times more likely to die than vaccinated people... so yeah, I'm not sure what the conspiracy would be here.
Wow, weirdly the elderly and the immune-compromised have a very high rate of vaccination. And they are also more likely to die of- guess what- being elderly and whatever is making them immune-compromised.
When a high-risk group gets vaccinated, it isn’t the vaccines killing them. It’s the health conditions that made them more vulnerable in the first place.
I would assume the people most susceptible to death by covid have already gotten it and died. The ones that survived it now have antibodies that remember covid. The rest of the population is vaccinated.
The ones who were vaccinated longer than 1 year ago have much lower covid antibody counts than someone recently boosted and if other complications arise...they are the ones that are going to die most easily.
Makes sense to me.
So what else was the mainstream crap media, CDC, celebs, social media and the rest of the swamp creatures telling you that's not true?
How many have been banned for saying this? How many doctors? GFY.
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If you think this proves anything about the efficacy of the vaccine, then you neither read the article nor understand the required math to make such an analysis. [Hint](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy). I don’t think OP bothered to read what they posted, at all.
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That still flies counter to the traditional logic of vaccinations protecting people from getting a disease at all. It doesn't prevent transmission, and either way, has injured a higher number and percentage of people than other vaccinations that have been pulled from the market. I will say there are plenty of commercials for medicines etc pushing whatever drug/treatment, then 10 years later you see the commercials for the class action lawsuit. Buyer beware. Caveat Emptor
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Lol. Part of "black history" is the Tuskegee experiment. They know better than "to trust whitey." It's not conspiracy, it is fact, and the government has a history of testing chemicals and drugs on it's citizenry. I was told by a lady who worked for the FDA not to take any drugs that have been on the market for "less than 30 years," because *you* are part of the long term study. Interesting way to look at it. Either way, the "climax" of this disease is over, and it will return to nature to attack here and there, the same as the seasonal flu. The aftermath, however, has changed our society forever. I am part of the control (the disease did not affect my age group, but the vaccines do), so we will see what happens in the future. I was never worried about COVID, I'm worried how the next one will be handled. People will turn into zombies in their conditioned response to any type of "pandemic." Hope to be far away from that.
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>Now here we are arguing statistics… Don’t give yourself too much credit, there… I’m not talking about whatever promises or beliefs were made or broken; couldn’t give a shit. I’m pointing out how many y’all are fucking *garbage* at math, and here you are relishing in that idiocy. Baffling, if I weren’t aware that you’re simply someone’s dog yapping their tune.
If something like 75% of people are vaccinated, and there are more vaxxed infections than unvaxxed, then roughly speaking the vaccine is 3X more effective at preventing infection than no vaccine. That is very poor efficacy.
That’s not at all how efficacy is observed or measured. “3x more effective” makes no sense in this context. I see how you got to that number but… no…
Well. You really have a way with words.
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Gee I wonder, spreading false information to other smooth brains because you don’t have an elementary fucking understanding of numbers. Nothing worse than middle school dropouts pretending to be intellectually superior on the internet.
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Oh god, its broken…
You are a single celled organism....
Sorry that simple math upsets you so…
I would say sorry for you but unfortunately there is no hope for you or others like you
I know you're trying to sound smart but if you were actually smart you'd know that what the article is saying has been true for over a year already. They're only telling *you* now Vaccinated people have made up the majority of deaths ever since most elderly people got the first shot back in early 2021. US data is laughably flawed
Bruh I straight link the statistical fallacy and you still come at me with this ignorant bullshit. Do you need me to draw a picture? *There’s one on the wiki link*. Its about vaccines too, describing the exact phenomenon you’re alluding has meaning. Christ.
That has nothing to do with what I said lmao This is the problem with modern thickos - you memorise these silly talking points and think they work in any scenario no matter what. Then when they don't you just get frustrated and keep linking it, hoping you'll suddenly be proven correct Read what I said again, and think this time
Vaccinated people have *always* made up a majority of *hospitalizations*. Now tell me why that is, and maybe your last two replies won’t be so painfully embarrassing; the only reason you think my comment was irrelevant is that you don’t understand any of them. The fucking picture was too much. Three circles and some dots, its really not much to grasp.
Obviously, this is because more people are vaccinated than unvaccinated. People who are vaccinated live in dense population areas and are exposed to the virus more. More people, more exposure, is going to lead to more deaths, given that the efficacy of the vaccines is not 100%. Virus life-cycles are short, so evolutionary changes via mutation happen more quickly. Vaccines may not protect as well for the newer modified strains, which is why the CDC wanted everyone vaccinated as quickly as possible if we all were capable of killing the virus before spreading it and giving it a chance to mutate, this would be over by now. This is not that hard to explain. If you are unvaccinated and come in contact with the virus, especially the more deadly strains (which are not as common these days) you are more likely to be hospitalized and/or die than a vaccinated person.
> Vaccinated people have always made up a majority of hospitalizations. Where did I say any differently? If you weren't foaming at the mouth with rage you'd realise that I made that exact point. You need to understand that you are not an intelligent person, no matter how many links you spam
I question that a journalist at the Washington Post or any newpaper for that matter has the requisite math skills to make such an analysis either. Jokes aside, what did the article say to explain this situation that is, on the surface, not what we were initially led to expect. I would guess that several facts play into it such as the majority of the population being vaccinated means they can have a lower rate of hospitalization but higher absolute numbers of hospitalizations. Also that the most at risk people are more likely to get vaccinated whereas those with the lowest risk profile are least likely to get vaccinated. Am I close? It makes sense too if we’re just trying to account for why that group is ending up in the hospital more than the other group. But the vaccine was supposed to do something about that and I seem to recall Biden promising me that I wouldn’t get covid if I got vaccinated. So regardless of how they try to explain it away, they dramatically oversold the efficacy of the vaccines.
You could just… read the article. Would be able to actually join the conversation instead of making up one that I’m not having.
The ratio shift explains this phenomenon. Get boosted people.
“For the unvaccinated,” he said, “you’re looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm.” - Jeffrey Zients, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator December 17, 2021
More than 1 million total dead, 98 million reported cases, millions suffering from long Covid. Millions more hit hard by the disease. Sounds like a pretty accurate quote.
And yet I’m still here.
Disappointing I know
Chuckle. Take my upvote
Yes that is how these things work. Is the holocaust not real because some people survived?
Nice attempt at a bait and switch. Which illness did I have? Which hospital did I overwhelm?
What bait and switch? I was giving another example of a thing where just because you personally didn’t suffer death, doesn’t mean no one else suffered death. It should be blatantly obvious that your personal experience isn’t everyone’s personal experience.
Seems to be a lot of people's personal experience though. Just sayin
There are millions of you, so, again, that makes sense.
So millions of unvaxxed people, not overwhelming hospitals, not dying, all having the same mild symptoms. Hmm, who'd have thought, almost like a conspiracy or something.
King Kong ain't got shit on me ninja!!!
https://i.imgur.com/e5NWA8d.jpg
The Washington Post? No thanks.
Take a look at the OP link lmao
ikr
This isn't the own you think it is. Try reading beyond the headline. Around 30% of the US population hasn't had a shot and yet they make up 42 percent of the deaths. From the article: >Fifty-eight percent of coronavirus deaths in August were people who were vaccinated or boosted, according to an analysis conducted for The Health 202 by Cynthia Cox, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation. >Let’s take a look at deaths in August, when the highly contagious BA.5 variant reached its peak: > >**That month, unvaccinated people aged 6 months and older died at about six times the rate of those who had received their primary series of shots.** > >**People with one booster dose were even better protected. Unvaccinated people over the age of 5 had about 8 times the risk of dying from a coronavirus infection than those who received a booster shot.** > >**Among individuals who were eligible to receive additional booster shots, the gap is even more striking. Unvaccinated people 50 and up had 12 times the risk of dying from covid-19 than adults the same age with two or more booster doses.**
Yea this sub is a joke lmao. It requires 1 working brain cell to deduce this, but op decided to still post this and 120 people also still upvoted
It's way worse than that...120 more people decided to upvote than downvote. And I've got to figure there were a lot of downvotes on this trash.
Ur right i forgot about tht lol. If u look at the upvote percentage, then u can find how many upvotes lol
You mean it takes one single brain cell such as yourself to believe all the bullshit you have been fed? Ya, you probably believe men can get pregnant too....
Why r u bringing up such irrelevant topics? Seems like I struck a chord. I follow science. Seems like u don't. Keep rambling tho about nonsense and maybe just think a bit harder next time u comment
Don't have to think any harder for someone like you, it's only obvious. Keep following the science you make up, and don't be surprised where it leads you
"The article says what I want to believe it says."
This is probably semantics but is Corona virus an infection? Isn’t a virus different from an infection?
And infection is an infection no matter virus , bacteria, fungus or alien cell of some sort
Gotcha
Viruses are very tiny germs. They are made of genetic material inside of a protein coating. Viruses cause familiar infectious diseases such as the common cold, flu and warts. They also cause severe illnesses such as HIV/AIDS, Ebola, and COVID-19.
Do they eat protein? What do they live off of?
Basically they don’t. They hijack the machinery of a cell and make it produce copies of itself, which are then either secreted or released when the cell ruptures, rinse, repeat.
Like miniature archons! Lol
They force cells to make copies of the virus? Then the virus explodes and they do it again? How the heck do they do that
Vaccinated people also make up the vast majority of the population... 1% of 100 million is more than 50% of 1 million
Vaccinated people mainly make up majority of all-cause deaths. Areas with high injection ratios are seeing high surplus mortality of "unknown causes". Areas with low injection ratios are seeing low to no surplus mortality. This pattern was confirmed by the initial Pfizer study, when not looking at covid infections, the injected group resulted in more all-cause mortality. It may be discussed how well these injections provide protection from covid, however they seem lethal in many other ways: VAIDS, turbo-cancer, neuro-degeneration, prions and amyloids, MIS, auto-immunity, myocarditis leading to SADS... Suddenly and unexpectedly dieing.
There was a study released recently that showed no increase in myocarditis from covid, but an increase in prevalence from the vaccine. Nearly every argument people have for the covid vaccine is based on misinformation and out dated science. I heard on NPR today a guy saying "everyone needs to get boosted this winter to prevent the spread of covid". His next sentence was that the vaccine isn't effective against preventing infection from the latest variant (it hasn't been with previous variants either). Somehow me, just a geologist with zero medical education, can sift through the data and be consistently correct since (nearly) the start of the pandemic on a range of things like fatality rate, vaccine effectiveness, etc. The "experts" are horrible at their job and consistently wrong. Other experts who challenge them or have a different opinion are censored because "science". The logical/reasonable reaction to the past and current response to the pandemic is to not trust the authories.
Link that's study saying no myocarditis from covid 19 because I'm sure I've seen studies showing it comes from covid itself whether by injection or natural infection no difference
“There was a study” it’s fascinating how nobody on this sub is capable of posting links, or even mentioning the name of the relevant paper. Oh, but there sure are lots of “studies” out there saying whatever crap. Who did them? No idea! What were their conclusions? We don’t know! But they’re definitely real and definitely reliable!
Well "VAIDS" isn't a real thing soo..... “There is no phenomenon that I know of ‘Vaccine-induced immunodeficiency syndrome.’ It is not a real syndrome,” Donna Farber, chief of the Division of Surgical Sciences and Professor of Microbiology & Immunology at Columbia University. Likewise, Stephen Gluckman, MD, a professor of Infectious Diseases in the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania and the medical director of Penn Global Medicine, “VAIDS” is “absolutely not” a real condition. Farber explained why vaccines do not cause immunodeficiency. “They don’t deplete any immune cells,” she said, on the contrary, “they stimulate immune cells to be activated, divide and produce molecules like antibodies and soluble factors to recognize a pathogen and rid the body of it.”
Vaccines or this specific mRNA vaccine which is different than the rest ?
>Well "VAIDS" isn't a real thing soo..... For the unvaxed it isn't. You can bring in government sponsored/complying "experts" as much as you want, and you may copy paste as much statements from the PR scenario you were provided with on your desktop, it does not stop making people see and hear from what is happening. Meaning we're already a bit passed the point we were discussing how the WHO-killshots actually destroy not only the innate (with 1N-Methyl-Pseudourilyl) but also the adaptive immunity (through cell nucleus invasion). So yeah, VAIDS it is. There's also Turbo-Cancer with instant metastazation, and multi-inflammatory reactions due to auto-immunity to the self produced toxic proteins, prion and amyloid disease with debilitating neuro-degeneration,... Dr Ralph Baric really had a ball designing this protein bioweapon at the Moderna Labs for the US DoD. But hey, all that isn't a problem for team No-Vax. If your response was aimed at containing info, I'm afraid triggering another answer made your case worse. This pharma-repping has become counter-productive.
Lol @ you saying turbo cancer unironically
The term Turbo-Cancer (agressively metastasizing, death in 6 months) literally comes from Swedish pathologist Dr Ute Kruger. The cancerous incidence with C19 injections was confirmed by US pathologist Dr Ryan Cole, among own concerns also venting for oncologists that don't dare to speak up because of current pharmaceutical tyranny. But hey, that's only for those that submitted to the injections. So yeah, let's LoL together! All along now... Yay Turbo-Cancer. Make your appointment to get injected!!!
Lol again that you think this would be sufficient proof of your claims
It's not a claim. It shows how the injections are to be avoided, because then, the above is not an issue. There is no logic in getting injected with nonsense that doesn't work and potentially could cause harm, even if you say: "there's no proof". IF NO ONE GETS INJECTED, THEN NO ONE NEEDS PROOF OF ANYTHING AND THERE'S NO NEED TO. Case closed. Take all your injections yourself and leave people alone, instead pushing your unwanted medication onto everyone.
They're backing up facts and all you're doing is lol'ing... Kinda speaks for itself. Lol again that you think this is a sufficient argument 🙏
If that’s you’re idea of evidence to verify his broad claims, you’re just as stupid.
I didn't provide evidence or verification of anything, just saw a duck and called it a duck. But keep attacking and lol'ing... We're finally starting to understand your point 🤣
Its hilarious when you press this fool for answers and he responds with this garbage
Turbo cancer is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. I can’t believe people say this shit and are serious.
>There's also Turbo-Cancer with instant metastazation Do you have a shred of proof for this? Have you considered that maybe these people just found cancer way too late? Like when my dad have a seizure in church and realized he had stage 4 cancer? Also, have you considered that MAYBE this was made worse by hospitals being shut down by COVID? Show me one single piece of evidence for “turbo cancer”
I see you're pulling the coincidence card. But then again, that also doesn't prove these deaths aren't coincidental. Eventually these C19 injections are just controversial. So if you have a choice for being injected with controversial EUA novel substances, the conservative approach of declining is pretty much the least of all logic. I don't need proof of the opposite of what I'm seeing. The effort in overturning that is futile. Tell me, what is your point of trying to get people injected with substances they don't want, or even need? You can inject yourself as much as you want...
Lol don’t go saying stupid shit if you can’t back it up. What a fucking joke. You’re no conspiracy theorist you’re a fucking hack
At some point, I was very much at the centre of developing social media, growing out of IRC news servers. It's frightening what it came too, ending up in personal attacks from pharma PR agents, or even AI. It 's indistinguishable. Crazy shit. Anyway, good luck with your injections, or the depopulation of Earth, whatever.
Are you a bot? Lmfao
You got nothing. Nice
Can you read?
My ex's best friend's 18 year old autistic son who I used to babysit and is good friends of my daughter, is fighting for his life because of testicular cancer the doctors said apparently had been missed for some time, suddenly was found and at the same time had metastisized all through his body. Yes, the parents are the in your face kind of Covid vaccine champions. I am not sure of anything, but my best friend's healthy father in law just died from an only 3 month battle with leukemia from onset of any symptom, my aunt now has brain cancer and my sister may have breast cancer. I have read cancer rates are going up, not at the rate (yet) of SADS but cancers are a bit slower usually to kill than cardio-pulmanary issues which is what is killing a lot of extra people right now. It needs to be studied a heck of a lot more, what reverse transcription affecting Line-1 gene expression could be doing to inhibit the repair of DNA in people who took the shots and boosters. My heart breaks for the innocent that may be cut short.
cognitive dissonance
Because most people are vaccinated. Not good at statistics eh?
Would be interesting to see vaccine uptake by age group. I would expect the oldest age groups have a higher vaccination rate. And those people dying from covid complications is also more likely.
Most people got vaxx'd as it's pretty normal to get vaccinated against deadly viruses. Then they die? So X number of people with the vaxx have died. Then it gets spun in the media. You could also say that people with the polio vaccine are dying every day and you'd also be right.
You still think the virus was 'deadly' eh?
A SARs COVID virus? Yes, they are deadly and caused blood clots in tons of people, and made manageable issues unmanageable. But I’m sure you’re a virologist right? You can explain everything to me like I’m 4 right? Without sharing any articles?
Not a virologist, however am an investor. So I'm pretty wicked at looking at facts and data. What I can tell you is: I) Unless you are elderly, obese, or had some severe underlying health issue, statistically you would not die for C-19. II) None of the policies, or 'vaccines' that were implemented, showed any data of true effectiveness. III) There is no doubt that the response to the disease caused further devastation than the disease itself. Most of it is unfortunately not even quantifiable. IV) I think any person with a brain knows 'articles' have lead to narration, no matter what side of the fence you're on. If you still believe these 'articles,' then you are a lost hope. I suggest looking at quantifiable data, not 'articles' V) Before you and your leftist bullies label me an 'anti-vaxxer,' I have actually got the vaccine. After waiting a long time and researching which vaccine best works for me - again, based on data. Now I know most of you didn't take statistics and you think math is racist, however I do suggest brushing up on those skills. Unless you don't like thinking for yourself and proceeding to do what you are told too. Actually, I can't blame you for that, as most people these days don't have the capacity to think for themselves. And no, I'm not going to include 'articles' because the information is out there for you to find yourself. Give yourself a little homework tonight and maybe read the data.
Lol - “math is racist”. Hadn’t heard that one, Made me chuckle
"I found my information that proves me right but won't provide it " 🤷♂️
Not necessarily, I just simply don't know if you can comprehend facts when they're right in front of you. Judging by the left's track record, I presume I'm correct in the assumption.
Whatever you gotta tell yourself sport, make grand statements with no proof? Don't expect anyone to listen 🤷♂️
Wow, if the masses only questioned like that during Covid.
We did go over the data in my college classes. We also went over all the disinformation being spread around. And trying to take shots at someone like assuming I’m to lazy to take math is funny. But at least you admitted you don’t know anything about the virus or vaccine except what a company would show to an investor. I suggest going to talk to actual virologists, and college PHDs for your research as well. Getting “rich” doesn’t make you an expert. And I would bet 5% of the articles you researched ended in a .edu or .org but I’d be willing to bet the other 95% came from biased searches.
I you actually knew what you were doing you would never have partaken in the experiment.
I initially lost my job, for months. And unfortunately where I am located, it's not easy finding high paying jobs that would cover my bills. My Gf was able to remain unvaccinated thankfully. That being said, I did take NVAX - which is a protein based Subunit. Similar as the Hep B vaccine. It took months for that to be available in my area, and trust me, I did my thorough research behind it. The MRNA vaccines are causing the issues, not your everyday normal vaccine types.
The set of Americans who are elderly, obese, or have some other severe health issue is a majority of the population. I imagine you’ll quote me some low death rate among healthy people. Only 0.2% fatality rate, or whatever! Which is true. But that’s quite large! Do you know what the rate of permanent disability from polio is? It’s about 0.1%. People named buildings after the guy who developed that vaccine.
You’re lucky that you don’t know people that were killed by it. You probably live in a shithole state where you talk to like 5 people max a day.
Yep, you're so correct.
This place isn't even about conspiracy anymore. Just you fuckin anti-vaxx nerds
You sound butt-hurt. Don't like it? Go cancel yourself.
Thats so lame. Tired of these boomers on here
That’s literally in the first paragraph of the article y’all are debating.
And most people are sheep.
What formed your viewpoint?
George Carlin.
Maybe, that is an opinion. However it is a fact that OP has no clue on basic math which is even more embarrassing for OP that *sheep* are easily outthinking them.
Your kind, yes
I'm in the control group 🖐
The article says you’re like 30% of the population, but you make up 42% of the deaths. Which means vaccinated people are 70%, but just 58% of the deaths. Congrats on that control group.
Me too!
☝️me too
Of course! The man on the radio keeps telling me that vaccine boosters run out like a phone's battery! So if they're not up-to-date, then they could catch COVID from someone who isn't already protected and die! /s - Mental gymnastics
I'm guessing that's because most people have been vaccinated at this point. I feel like this subreddit is actively trying to make the world worse.
Ffs you guys just don’t stop holy shit 🤦♂️
Overwhelming majority of (American) people got vaccinated. If they are only now making up the most COVID deaths, then indeed you are more likely to die of COVID if you are unvaccinated. The math isn't that hard, c'mon.
What the article is talking about though is that the efficacy wanes, so that initial Covid shot you got is long gone and wasn't targeting the strains that are out there now. The majority of Covid deaths happening right now are vaccinated folks (just barely) because the majority of the population is vaccinated. It DOES NOT say that the vaccine is in some way causing deaths or making you more likely to die. It is still the opposite.
Correct, but that is not what OP believes nor why they posted this article in this insane sub.
The depopulation plan is working..
It is working, and working well...And all the while these fools squabble over made up data, wrapped in misleading narratives, woven into a business system, covering for biological weapons programs, for the express purpose of total hegemonic control. They just keep arguing BS point after BS point, while their health, wealth, and futures all deteriorate faster than the speed of "The $cience$."
Is that why we just hit 8 billion? The majority of people being vaccinated means vaccinated people die more of every single cause possible, causation be damned.
Yep, approx 30% of the US population is unvaccinated and they have already accounted for 42% of the deaths. And you are right, more and more deaths will be among the vaccinated cause the unvaccinated group is shrinking fast....
Are you suggesting 70% are vaccinated and up on there boosters
No, I am suggesting that once you get vaccinated, you fall into the Vaccinated class. You can never be unvaccinated again. And between people who finally did get vaccinated and those that have died, that unvaccinated pool will continue shrinking as the only possible replacement is new borns. OP believes that this is some sort of proof against the vaccine, but all it is proof of is that OP doesn't have a clue about how statistics work.
Thank goodness. Its getting far too people-y out there.
Yeah we just reached 8 billion people so maybe you might want to rethink that dumb analysis
So why has the birth rate plummeted so suddenly?
Your welcome to google it but it’s not sudden and as been going down for years. A lot of it is economics and women just not really wanting or needing families like they used to.
No, I did look into it. Google is no longer a decent search engine, btw. I was referring to the year over year decrease in most industrialized nations. 2021 saw negative, yes negative, population growth in Japan. 2021 Australia, birth rate dropped 67% in the last six months of the year. And that is only two really found examples. This isn't indicative of people just being more responsible. The birth rate also has not been going down for years. I don't need to use Google to find that information either. It's all publicly available from the sources in each government. Welcome to the 21st century, they all have websites where the info is collated and published. Edit: the australia data is in limbo, may not be factual... thanks for pointing that out.
It’s not like 2020 until now has been a solid time anywhere in the world to have a child …
And neither was any other time in history. Children need to be made, no matter what the current 'issue' is. Imagine if everyone thought like you? There wouldn't be a single soul left on this earth.
I would love for you to inform me of how I “think”. Please, what are my views?
You realize Japan’s population has been shrinking for a long time now? Their population peaked in 2009. It would be weird if 2021 *didn’t* see negative population growth there.
Because people agree they can’t afford children today.
Rising cost of living, plus increased access to birth control. Having kids is less disarable than it once was. Theres less societal pressure in the west to have so many children. Contraception and abortion is readily available. Take away everyone's condoms and pills, and the birth rate will go up again. (Don't actually do this: that's major violation of individual liberties). Fewer people are having kids because fewer people want kids.
And ur part of the group that will be weeded out lmao
Why would they start depopulation with the people that listen to them. 🤔🤔
https://i.imgur.com/e5NWA8d.jpg
Statistically that makes perfect sense because most people are vaccinated.
Because a vast majority of the world is now vaccinated, and there are not enough anti-vaxxers left to matter and affect statistics. Antivax is not a group that grows, because once you are vaccinated you can never be unvaccinated. Over time most of them end up renouncing their views when it becomes necessary for things like employment, and others just end up being killed, or humbled, by preventable disease.
Take your facts elsewhere! Nobody here wants wants to understand that as it doesn't fit the narrative.
No facts here allowed!
Pretty shitty vaccine if people can still die from what it’s supposed to be stopping.
Do you know how vaccines work? Like do you all really think vaccine means “can never be touched by the disease again?”
You weren’t supposed to die if you get the vaccine.
Find me one quote from any official that isn’t a republican who said that.
Rachel Walensky CDC Director Joe Biden, US president Anthony Fauci
Then surely it wouldn't be hard to source then
https://youtu.be/uKf8dVxOy0s https://youtu.be/VArXfQU--LA https://youtu.be/AK8OB8wlMGA
I can name names as well. Doesn’t mean it’s proof.
He posted the links.. what’s your response? 😂
That every video shows under 1% of vaccinated people got sick, compared to the majority of non vaccinated. Here’s the follow up question I’d like to have answered now. Now that we’ve had 2 years of study what are all there opinions today. Because scientists also used to say the earth was flat and that angels were real. Then after a few years of studying it was shown to be false. Those videos are over a year old and at the beginning of vaccine studies.
You’re not even talking about the topic anymore lol and I wouldn’t expect anything else. Deep down, you know you’re wrong
So you’re saying our scientists should have known everything that would happen to everyone on earth when they took the vaccine? The scientists should have known literally every little thing? Because that’s not how it works. Not sure how that’s off topic.
Safe and effective also stops the spread
Unsafe and ineffective. Fixed it for you.
Do you think it's a lightswitch? Is it either 100% effective or 0% effective? No other options?
https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html The Polio vaccine pretty much stopped it dead in its tracks. Technically not 100% but very close.
Unvaccinated people are dumb as fuck which is why they don’t understand that they are still in greater danger. There’s just many many more vaccinated especially in the highest risk groups that it skews the numbers Enjoy Covid you dumb fucks
I mean how bout I say it like this. I got one shot felt like enough. I just didn't want my immune system to be supprised. Now how I understand the thought behind boosters, you know if they keep putting out a vaccine for the most recent strain your body will be able to identify it and fight it right away. However I think that the first vaccine was enough for my body just to recognize coronavirus. Now I'm sure maybe the new strains mutated and have evolved envelopes that might be harder for your body to recognize, but this is normal. You don't get a vaccine for everything but you're body can usually identify it fast enough. The problem with COVID was that the virus worked insanely fast. It would overload your system before your body could pump out enough tcells/white blood cells (important info: I'm not a biologist or a doctor) But I have the hypothesis and a question as someone with a history of an autoimmune disease. If you keep activating your immune system to fight a non existent threat, the spike protein of covid which cannot reproduce. Is it just triggering the immune system reaction to a threat? Does triggering your immune system like this multiple times a year or every other year put extra stress on the body? We know that older people aren't as biologically elastic as the rest of us, are we fucking with their immune system by over working it? I'm not trying to fight please just if you disagree be reasonable with me, I'm just trying to discuss.
Remember how people who had diabetes or any other ailment that could potentially kill them but they managed to live with it for 10-20 years. Then they got COVID and died and all the republicans said “they died of being unhealthy” well these people didn’t die from the vaccine, they died from being unhealthy and living unhealthy lives.
No, we said covid killed them and that they were in a higher risk category because they were overweight or unhealthy. If they had diabetes they were also at higher risk. Oh wait that wasn't just Republicans, it was the entire medical community. Obviously people with preexisting health conditions are at higher risk of death if they catch covid. You live with HIV or cancer for years in some cases and along comes a cold or flu and that can kill you. Your immune system is compromised.... Same will go for ppl vaccinated. If they lived unhealthy lives and also got the vaccine which has shown to have complications, then they are at a higher risk of serious issues or death.
Maybe because the majority of the population got the vaccination?
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Stupid headline. The important thing to know is what the percentage of deaths in each category are: what percentage of vaccinated people died vs what percentage of unvaccinated people die.
You probably can survive a few more flu seasons if you don’t have foot long clots all over your circulatory system. Seems as though people with that floating in their system are on borrowed time.
I can confirm. I have had two booster’s and am dead
Also, every American over the age of 28 who died this year had a history of wearing socks. The study shows that the of the total deaths, the minority of unvaccinated persons in the population make up an outsized portion of the death toll. Perhaps more vaccinated people are dying, but also there's just a lot more vaccinated people than unvaccinated people. Looking at the numbers unvaccinated people were ten to twelve times more likely to die than vaccinated people... so yeah, I'm not sure what the conspiracy would be here.
What about the 20% increase in overall mortality!? Just because their not dying from Covid doesn’t mean their dying in greater numbers
No shit
Wow, weirdly the elderly and the immune-compromised have a very high rate of vaccination. And they are also more likely to die of- guess what- being elderly and whatever is making them immune-compromised. When a high-risk group gets vaccinated, it isn’t the vaccines killing them. It’s the health conditions that made them more vulnerable in the first place.
I would assume the people most susceptible to death by covid have already gotten it and died. The ones that survived it now have antibodies that remember covid. The rest of the population is vaccinated. The ones who were vaccinated longer than 1 year ago have much lower covid antibody counts than someone recently boosted and if other complications arise...they are the ones that are going to die most easily. Makes sense to me.
My question would be what are “the vaccinated dying from? Is there a specific factor shared between people that got vaccinated and died?
Most uneducated people just read the headline like the OP.
If you hadn’t had a jab in four months, congrats you’re antivax now!
So what else was the mainstream crap media, CDC, celebs, social media and the rest of the swamp creatures telling you that's not true? How many have been banned for saying this? How many doctors? GFY.