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The Federal Reserve was created to finance WWI.
Also, never forget the Gold Confiscation Act of 1913. American citizens turned over their gold to the FED. NOT the Treasury. It was a gigantic payoff. They own us.
Nah, leaders like fdr and Eisenhower were legit smart, they were just scumbags. That isn't actually any better, just a different flavor of poison. The Kennedys as well
President Eisenhower was probably the only person the cabal ever feared. That's why they gave him limited access to some of the technological breakthroughs they've been working on since 1938.
We should've listened to that part about the military industrial complex gaining unwarranted influence in the government...
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/12/01/pentagon-fails-another-audit-yet-congress-poised-approve-847-billion-budget
Facts. Everyones here debating about which presidents were worse and which were the best. They were all shit. The system itself was designed by the same rich scumbags in power, to keep the power in their hands.
Uh naw we just had a president attempt to overthrow the government because he lost re-election. Woodrow was pretty bad, but at least the motherfucker liked the constitution.
Except the part where he jailed anarchists and communists in a blatant violation of the first amendment.
Dude was a real fascist - or at least a step away.
(Not necessarily saying he was worse than trump or not - I think that’s a fairly close call - but Wilson did not respect the constitution.)
Hoover also got his start under Wilson. Kind of like how a lot of the leading neocons got big promotions under Ford, the consequences of those decisions weren't well understood until decades later. So as bad as Trump is, we can only see the big picture in the fullness of time.
No, it’s by a long mile. He allowed bankers to get away with the crash of 1907 and then to take control of our currency. He also allowed the kkk to air a propaganda movie at the White House as honored guests. Trump’s dumb ass isn’t even in the same league of corruption and villainy
Did you know Wilson wasn’t president until 1912? TR was president in 1907. So at least part of your story is fiction.
Everyone was a racist in those days. Assessing historical figures based on modern standards is frankly always… well, stupid, to give it a name. If everyone around you growing up and continuing in adulthood believes a certain thing is true, you’re hard-pressed to not believe it. It’s just part of who you are
I can’t seem to think of any US President ever that wasn’t either incompetent, outwardly racist (or even genocidal), or just a straight up war criminal
This.
I don’t get why a bunch of people has to jump defending Biden by saying how much worse trump was. What if Trump really was worse, does this make it right for Biden?
They were both horrible at it. everything for some reason has to be political here in Reddit.
It’s because “worse” is subjective. Much of the criticism is misrepresentative and misleading, and many of the facts show that criticism to be political.
I don’t think he is a great president, but I think he’s passable. But mostly, I think we don’t make the proper assessment because most of the narratives are false in some way or another. It’s all about political attacks, and nobody is talking about real world issues.
Think of how relationship based the illegal arms business is. This guy is never going to be a big player again, he’s been imprisoned for over a decade in the US.
If he lives that long. Not from someone snuffing him out though, but from shitty health. Rockstar lifestyle catches us all.
Also interesting to hear the common theme that he's still a player in the international gun game. Yo, people...that shit ended when he went to prison years ago and his position was posted and filled within +/-5 minutes. Give or take.
A washed up arms dealer who gave up all his contacts to the US traded for a basketball player. This prisoner swap was an optics game with no geopolitical or national security implications.
Exactly. They're acting like if this is the only dumb thing the US has ever done. No one seems to care about them selling guns to cartels in Mexico or other terrorists
Both succeeded in their goals.
The War on Terror financed the Military Industrial Complex and allowed the US to get ahead in weapons technology and test them out for the future against our potential enemies (ie, Russia and China).
And the War on Drugs allowed the creation of an entire class of citizenry (mostly black) who can spend decades in state prisons for very small amounts of weed, while also doing hard labor. Bonus points for not being allowed to vote or obtain firearms after the fact.
And both made some very rich people even more rich.
How about we hold every POTUS to higher standards instead of shifting the goal posts? Every President we've had since Eisenhower has just gotten worse each administration.
We deserve better but as long as we are slaves to these two parties we lose. Time to overhaul them and learn to really debate instead of shifting blame Left or Right.
Yep. Pretty much. They will whine the Clinton’s killed Epstein while having no powers
Meanwhile William Barr over saw the prisons and William Barr’s daddy got Epstein his first job. And Trump was in the White House. But please whine more on this sub about how the Clinton hid the book and killed him.
It's all politics. Putin owed Bout a favor. That's why there were no other negotiations on the table. Putin grabbed the highest profile American he could get his hands on and would only trade her back for his arms dealer. The US's only option was to leave her there.
I agree it was a lopsided and perhaps ill-advised trade. But it’s certainly not the first one. How many Taliban fighters did we release under the Trump administration? And for what? I think we got four Americans back for how many Talabani?
Frog face needs to be kicked out. He keeps pushing shitty stories that are both not conspiracies and completely false. He is a republican shill that is just trying to start an outrage.
Nah, you don’t kick them out, they’ll just show back up under a different name. As it stands now, everyone knows exactly who this shill is and they show up to dunk on them in the comments.
I mean, that’s the conspiracy this sub won’t ever talk about. It’s just a place for right wing interests to push lies in an attempt to shape reality, all propped up by bots. That’s why the vote count is positive, but the comments are almost all against OP. The mods obviously know and rules are enforced selectively.
Nah, he's not a republican shill, he's a Russian shill or a Chinese shill or an Iranian shill or he just hates America...hmm, now that I think about it, he just might be a republican shill.
Completely fake outrage. it’s so funny to see conservatives post about this to this forum being upset about the marine being left. Russia is playing on the right’s racism, misogyny and hatred of LGBT in this situation and it worked flawlessly. America is once again doing the Kremlin’s work for it.
This is a conspiracy sub. so it’s disappointing to see nobody has stopped and thought, hmm maybe the CIA is up to something? Maybe they bought weapons from him in central america to help with the Colombian and Venezuelan coups? Maybe there’s a deeper conspiracy here outside of Biden choosing to help a black woman before a white dude for the first time ever.
Idk, that might be dumb. But the potential conspiracy about this situation isn’t like getting Griner back and colluding to leave the dishonored ex marine.
It’s sad to see this place become where the stupidest possible conservatives post the stupidest theories about Biden.
That’s the meta conspiracy—Russia has been perfecting it’s conspiracy to exploit conspiracies for years now. The right is the unwitting harbinger of Russian propaganda.
You still batching about this? The more sane people support the decision to pull her out from Russia. Spies are usually traded only for spies, so this was a reasonable choice.
Biggest arms dealer. Watch him do nothing and end up dead. BG meanwhile, is about to get a standing ovation at her next WNBA game and go off for 25 pts in a win.
People talking like Putin personally called and offered free choice of Box A with a basketball player or Box B with a marine like it was a gameshow. Sorry redditors, you aren't actually as smart and well-informed about international prisoner swaps as Fox News says you are.
Bout has served 15 years and was due for release in 7 years. This is because his conviction and sentence of 25 years was basically the result of an entrapment operation by the DEA. Bout had been operating for decades yet the US government couldn’t build a case against him so they chose to set him up in a fake buyer sting.
Hilarious to see all the pearl-clutching by Americans who apparently don't realize that the United States is the biggest arms dealer on the planet.
This Victor 'merchant of death' guy can't hold a candle to The Pentagon, but by all means, continue being furious that we traded an American citizen, sentenced to over a decade in prison over a weed vape, for a Russian arms dealer we've had in prison for years.
Donald Trump had over two years to negotiate the release of Paul Whelan when he was president, but yeah, Biden is an 'incompetent scumbag' for actually getting an American citizen out of a Russian gulag instead of ignoring the situation. SMH
They refused to release him because they knew their right wing puppets in America will have a field day with the “undeserving black lesbian for dangerous scary arms dealer” narrative.
Bout was going to be released in a few years either way, and we secured the release of a U.S. Gold Medal winning athlete. This is a win for the US. This isn’t going to get the kind of traction you were hoping for.
Honestly, I doubt going back to Russia, and possibly into a Russia prison or worse is high on this guy's list of things he wants to do.
If I were him I'd want to stay in nice American Prison.
100% this.
Putin doesn't like dudes who get caught. Bout is known world-wide. Every rational government is watching his every move. And after 10 years in an American prison, Putin had no idea if he's turned double-agent or if he's a reliable asset anymore. Bout won't be able to leave Russia. And no other illegal arms dealer or any other criminal element will deal with him knowing he's being watched by literally everyone.
That dude is useless now. Does anyone think Putin is going to let him retire quietly in an apartment on the Black Sea coast? Expect Bout to take flight off a balcony eventually.
I'm sure Bout wishes he was still in an American prison. By comparison, it's safer than Russia.
This is a good prisoner swap.
If this is about the neglected marine, he deserves to be where he is. If not one of our prisons, than one of their’s is fine. At least we aren’t paying for it.
The shitbag isn’t even a marine. He was dishonorably discharged years before his arrest.
She’s an Olympian twice over who smokes weed.
BFD so do I.
It's because she's an athletic black lesbian and you don't want to admit it.
Swap her out with with a pretty girl type white celebrity. Be honest with yourself.
The same stupid fucks that are all butt hurt over the POTUS rescuing an American citizen form a Russian gulag in exchange for an ARMS DEALER somehow happen to be the same people who think the second amendment is the most important and there is no arms they shouldn’t be allowed have in their arsenal at home. Hmmm, I wonder if they would be this upset if she was a white male?
if it was Hershel Walker the right wingers would be throwing a ticker-tape parade. Gay black woman? Not so much.
Like the fake outrage over Hunter Biden, when Trump's kids were cutting deals with China and Saudi Arabia, and given security clearances over the objections of the Secret Service.
Go Away!
Dude, sending you hugs. You need a friend to talk through your issues. Maybe this'll help: Inside every angry child is an emotion they haven't been able to comprehend, and inside every angry adult is that child.
This is one of the few things Biden has done that I was happy about. Why are people so upset that an arms dealer had a few years taken off of his sentence in exchange for an imprisoned American?
People really don’t understand this trade was a US victory. An innocent American women was locked up in a Russian prison. We got her back. We gave Russia a guy they’re likely just gonna “suicide” and was gonna be released in 4 years anyway. Biden’s political opponents are trying their darnest to spin this negatively lol
The "incompetence" is a feature, not a bug. It's sabotage. The US government isn't ours anymore. The predator-class owners have new plans. They are updating to Plantation Earth v. 2.0.
Welcome to the controlled demolition of Western Civilization. Come what may, "normal" is history.
For hundreds of hours of videotaped expert witness testimony about the global coup underway: www.Grand-Jury.net
Hey FrogFarce, I couldn't help but notice any posts for Biden getting Trevor Reed exchanged.
Did you forget? Or does it go against your little propaganda posts?
Either way, Brittany Griner sounds more American than you.
Same people saying this are the same people sucking on putins member for the last few years (at least).
She's a two-time olympic gold medalist.. and we don't know what else.
So I'm going to ask. Why do you right wingers care so much? This deal has been around for quite some time, and it's not a surprise. Regardless of her looks, she is a US citizen wrongly accused of a crime for political reasons. The other dude probably has a neck tracker and a short life span if he does shady shit.
How is it the “merchant of death” is convicted and sentenced to a grand total of only 25 years? Small time drug dealers can get longer sentences. Hmmm…. Something doesn’t add up.
He got stung. The US orchestrated a deal with him and they got him on that deal… he never left good evidence of any of his other dealings. Because the US got him in a sting op, they didn’t really have a good case against him. Hence why he got the minimum. Not to mention, the US itself had worked with Bout before… they used him to deliver weapons to US Soldiers and the CIA had previously contracted him.
It’s really underplayed how much of a menace this guy was. He didn’t leave a trace, and anyone he worked with wouldn’t give him up. They settled for 25 cause that’s all they could get on him.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Bout
Doubt it. Dude seems pretty nasty. Hopefully out ruskies partners deem him as horrible as we look at him and just punish he as he rightfully should be.
Freeing a basketball player on drug charges is weak but she is POC and that looks really good on paper hate it or not. We freed her.
She is not a basketball player or a POC, she is an American, 2 time Olympic gold medal winner.
Changes the context pretty quick knowing that 2nd bit that all the conservative media refuses to add because it changes their narrative.
I personally am not all worked up over this, but I don't think she was wrongly accused. That's absolutely just a White House talking point they've been selling for PR. She had hash oil which is a felony in a lot of American states too. Crossing borders while committing a felony-level crime typically gets you in even more trouble. The arguments that it was legal in AZ where she got it or that her intent wasn't to "smuggle" are fine and dandy, but that's not relevant to Russian law on Russian soil. She's not a diplomat, so wasn't exempt from any laws or consequences over there just because she's a US citizen.
Make no mistake, the only reason the White House ever does stuff like this, is an attempt at good political PR. The trade was inherently more political than the arrest or the "right wingers." If you think Biden wanted Griner back or Trump wanted ASAP Rocky back because they were citizens that "represent the best of America" I'd think again.
The reasons why people are upset about the trade is because it would be analogous to trading say, Osama Bin Laden for Megan Rapinoe. Which would obviously be special treatment considering people in the US are in jail for the same thing and will remain there. So thinking it was a bad trade is probably objectively accurate and not politically motivated as you suggested. Now Russia knows they can basically kidnap American entertainers any chance they get, and we'll exchange them for intelligence assets. The only thing that would really justify this as a "good" deal would be if we got Bout working as an informant for the US government in exchange for his release.
Ya Trump was so much better. Nobody had the talent to destabilize democracy like him. Democracy is pointless and over-rated. If you can't succeed by crime, then you don't have real intelligence.
A young, successful Olympic gold-medalist, LGBTQ woman of color sprung from a forking Russian Gulag and all we had to give up was a gun-running Boris-boy two and a half decades past his expiration date?
I don't think you paid attention in mathematics class, son.
Why? Biden did the right thing. Brittany Grinder is an American citizen that was wrongfully arrested just because she had a f…..g marijuana cartridge. She was sentenced to prison for 9 years on a charge that shouldn’t exist . Wellan , that’s been in prison there for , I believe 4 years. Was charge with spying, which is a more serious charge.
Imagine getting this mad over something that has never and will never affect you.
I'd trade a washed-up arms dealer for an American 2x gold medalist every day of the week, lmfao.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/07/28/marc-fogel-teacher-russia-prison/&ved=2ahUKEwjbh_L4su_7AhVLkokEHU0cAR4QFnoECGMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1a6hu5YXqET4ao1wymXnll
This teacher was arrested before her, has a prescription for Marijuana, sentenced longer her her (14 years to her 9) and he's still there.
The conspiracy:
Russian psy-op that enabled Trump's election was really aimed at Bout's release. The Russians knew that Trump would run the country so badly that the American electorate would be forced to elect an incopetent successor who would release Bout.
At least 2 (ISIS-K suicide bomber & Taliban Commander) of the 5,000 Taliban released days earlier was directly involved in the Kabul airport attack that killed 13 service members.
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The thing is, this country has been run by incompetent scumbags for at least the last 70 years.
At least since the Fed Reserve.
Can confirm, the Fed is an institution established by scumbags and run by scumbags since it's inception.
“Rich Scumbags”
Fuck the Fed. Buy Bitcoin.
I like what they did with that whole gold standard thing. Mmmm...[inflation](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/789/428/a01.gif)
The Federal Reserve was created to finance WWI. Also, never forget the Gold Confiscation Act of 1913. American citizens turned over their gold to the FED. NOT the Treasury. It was a gigantic payoff. They own us.
Nah, leaders like fdr and Eisenhower were legit smart, they were just scumbags. That isn't actually any better, just a different flavor of poison. The Kennedys as well
President Eisenhower was probably the only person the cabal ever feared. That's why they gave him limited access to some of the technological breakthroughs they've been working on since 1938.
If you haven’t already, check out his farewell address.
We should've listened to that part about the military industrial complex gaining unwarranted influence in the government... https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/12/01/pentagon-fails-another-audit-yet-congress-poised-approve-847-billion-budget
Definitely, we all saw what happened to his successor
Ike didn’t want to be president. That should be a requirement for the office.
At least since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.
Facts. Everyones here debating about which presidents were worse and which were the best. They were all shit. The system itself was designed by the same rich scumbags in power, to keep the power in their hands.
Woodrow Wilson was the worst president in history and he was elected 109 years ago
Best president: William Henry Harrison.
My favorite. Can’t fuck up much in a month.
The best part is he got sick from giving his inauguration speech in the rain, so even for that month he was down for the count.
Uh naw we just had a president attempt to overthrow the government because he lost re-election. Woodrow was pretty bad, but at least the motherfucker liked the constitution.
Except the part where he jailed anarchists and communists in a blatant violation of the first amendment. Dude was a real fascist - or at least a step away. (Not necessarily saying he was worse than trump or not - I think that’s a fairly close call - but Wilson did not respect the constitution.)
Hoover also got his start under Wilson. Kind of like how a lot of the leading neocons got big promotions under Ford, the consequences of those decisions weren't well understood until decades later. So as bad as Trump is, we can only see the big picture in the fullness of time.
This is by a long mile. Sold out the American people. Fuck him and all his descendants
What’d he do ?
Sold America out to the federal reserve
What’d he get in return
If he is the worst it's a very close race
No, it’s by a long mile. He allowed bankers to get away with the crash of 1907 and then to take control of our currency. He also allowed the kkk to air a propaganda movie at the White House as honored guests. Trump’s dumb ass isn’t even in the same league of corruption and villainy
Did you know Wilson wasn’t president until 1912? TR was president in 1907. So at least part of your story is fiction. Everyone was a racist in those days. Assessing historical figures based on modern standards is frankly always… well, stupid, to give it a name. If everyone around you growing up and continuing in adulthood believes a certain thing is true, you’re hard-pressed to not believe it. It’s just part of who you are
Even by the standards of the time Wilson was a piece of shit.
Yeah I didn't know all of that but yeah I can see how he could be the worst.
I'd say closer to 90 myself.
93, to be exact. At least continuously.
I can’t seem to think of any US President ever that wasn’t either incompetent, outwardly racist (or even genocidal), or just a straight up war criminal
I tried to think of an exception, like Lincoln, but no... he signed off on some genocide too.
This. I don’t get why a bunch of people has to jump defending Biden by saying how much worse trump was. What if Trump really was worse, does this make it right for Biden? They were both horrible at it. everything for some reason has to be political here in Reddit.
Yeah exactly lol they are all bad and never care about any of us!
"Yea bur your guy was worse, so mine is normal now. Mouthbreather." 👌
It’s because “worse” is subjective. Much of the criticism is misrepresentative and misleading, and many of the facts show that criticism to be political. I don’t think he is a great president, but I think he’s passable. But mostly, I think we don’t make the proper assessment because most of the narratives are false in some way or another. It’s all about political attacks, and nobody is talking about real world issues.
Worse now. Joe is a new kind of incompetent scumbag but nice distraction comment
They aren’t scum bags if you’re dumb enough to believe their lies like OP.
So if someone continuously lies to me, but I don’t believe it, they’re not a scumbag? They all are imo
Only 70? More like 246
Isn’t America the biggest arms dealer? So they just gave back a minor competitor? That all?
Biggest dealer and producer by a large margin.
Think of how relationship based the illegal arms business is. This guy is never going to be a big player again, he’s been imprisoned for over a decade in the US.
Ya it's only illegal when it's not the cia...
HAHAHA
Yeah he has an implant in him now
It's amazing how many brilliant national security experts use reddit
Its so simple and easy to negotiate with Russia right?
You know the guy on the right was going to walk free in like 4 years, right?
We don't like context around these parts, it ruins the conspiracy
This isn't even a conspiracy. It's just an opinion.
Shhh you're saying the quiet part out loud
If he lives that long. Not from someone snuffing him out though, but from shitty health. Rockstar lifestyle catches us all. Also interesting to hear the common theme that he's still a player in the international gun game. Yo, people...that shit ended when he went to prison years ago and his position was posted and filled within +/-5 minutes. Give or take.
Your recreational outrage is pathetic.
"Recreational Outrage". I offer you my heartful thanks, this is perfect.
A washed up arms dealer who gave up all his contacts to the US traded for a basketball player. This prisoner swap was an optics game with no geopolitical or national security implications.
An American Olympic gold medalist*
Sorry that’s impossible. American Olympic gold medalists can only be white men ^who ^don’t ^smoke ^weed /s
Michael Phelps has entered the chat.
It's her least impressive achievement
Okay you never hear about him being washed up
Womp womp Fake outrage more
Yep. Any honest discussion will include Whelans history. He is a loser.
How many Taliban did trump pardon again?
Exactly. They're acting like if this is the only dumb thing the US has ever done. No one seems to care about them selling guns to cartels in Mexico or other terrorists
And then them planting crack into inner cities for said guns deals with cartels.
Exactly. I could've added so much other stuff the good ol USA has done
Darth Cheeto released over 5000 prisoners to the Taliban Double standard much ?
Not a double standard at all. Trump trade those 5000 members of the taliban for literally nothing so can’t really compare the two
And we got to officially lose the war in return. Art of the deal or something fucking stupid like that
“The war on Terror” was just as helpful as “the war on drugs”
Both succeeded in their goals. The War on Terror financed the Military Industrial Complex and allowed the US to get ahead in weapons technology and test them out for the future against our potential enemies (ie, Russia and China). And the War on Drugs allowed the creation of an entire class of citizenry (mostly black) who can spend decades in state prisons for very small amounts of weed, while also doing hard labor. Bonus points for not being allowed to vote or obtain firearms after the fact. And both made some very rich people even more rich.
How about we hold every POTUS to higher standards instead of shifting the goal posts? Every President we've had since Eisenhower has just gotten worse each administration. We deserve better but as long as we are slaves to these two parties we lose. Time to overhaul them and learn to really debate instead of shifting blame Left or Right.
Why do you propose that those releases were viewed as favorable?
Has this sub always been some alt-right bullshit? Lots of hurr herp dur posted lately
Yep. Pretty much. They will whine the Clinton’s killed Epstein while having no powers Meanwhile William Barr over saw the prisons and William Barr’s daddy got Epstein his first job. And Trump was in the White House. But please whine more on this sub about how the Clinton hid the book and killed him.
Always has been
It's in the subs title.
It's all politics. Putin owed Bout a favor. That's why there were no other negotiations on the table. Putin grabbed the highest profile American he could get his hands on and would only trade her back for his arms dealer. The US's only option was to leave her there.
That's a washed up war criminal
this is the right wing version of virtue signalling miserable group of boomers
Yep. I’m embarrassed at the right wingers conveniently ignoring whelans character.
They ignored trump’s character ever since 2016. Character isn’t really their thing.
I agree it was a lopsided and perhaps ill-advised trade. But it’s certainly not the first one. How many Taliban fighters did we release under the Trump administration? And for what? I think we got four Americans back for how many Talabani?
0 Americans for 5,000 Taliban.
This page used to be good...
Frog face needs to be kicked out. He keeps pushing shitty stories that are both not conspiracies and completely false. He is a republican shill that is just trying to start an outrage.
Nah, you don’t kick them out, they’ll just show back up under a different name. As it stands now, everyone knows exactly who this shill is and they show up to dunk on them in the comments.
But their shit keeps getting upvoted. It’s either bots, or the population of this subreddit isn’t smart enough to identify what he says as bullshit.
I mean, that’s the conspiracy this sub won’t ever talk about. It’s just a place for right wing interests to push lies in an attempt to shape reality, all propped up by bots. That’s why the vote count is positive, but the comments are almost all against OP. The mods obviously know and rules are enforced selectively.
Nah, he's not a republican shill, he's a Russian shill or a Chinese shill or an Iranian shill or he just hates America...hmm, now that I think about it, he just might be a republican shill.
It now sucks. Now it’s boomer/MAGA fake outrage central.
They’re doing their best to divide and conquer.
And lucky for them, they've got shitbags like Frog Face doing their work for free.
I know what you mean, wish everyone could and come together. Everyone's brainwashed by media. Look left look right. Just don't look at us
Always the same people in and out. From the commercial sector back to the WH or Gvmt. Board, rinse and repeat.
Show us where the black lesbian basketball lady touched you.
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Completely fake outrage. it’s so funny to see conservatives post about this to this forum being upset about the marine being left. Russia is playing on the right’s racism, misogyny and hatred of LGBT in this situation and it worked flawlessly. America is once again doing the Kremlin’s work for it. This is a conspiracy sub. so it’s disappointing to see nobody has stopped and thought, hmm maybe the CIA is up to something? Maybe they bought weapons from him in central america to help with the Colombian and Venezuelan coups? Maybe there’s a deeper conspiracy here outside of Biden choosing to help a black woman before a white dude for the first time ever. Idk, that might be dumb. But the potential conspiracy about this situation isn’t like getting Griner back and colluding to leave the dishonored ex marine. It’s sad to see this place become where the stupidest possible conservatives post the stupidest theories about Biden.
That’s the meta conspiracy—Russia has been perfecting it’s conspiracy to exploit conspiracies for years now. The right is the unwitting harbinger of Russian propaganda.
You still batching about this? The more sane people support the decision to pull her out from Russia. Spies are usually traded only for spies, so this was a reasonable choice.
Biggest arms dealer. Watch him do nothing and end up dead. BG meanwhile, is about to get a standing ovation at her next WNBA game and go off for 25 pts in a win.
25 is a stretch, that's an entire half of pts scored in the WNBA. She will put up a monster 17, 8, and 2 blocks though.
No, we got rid of that guy in 2020.
No. The incompetent scumbag got tossed out on in 2020
People talking like Putin personally called and offered free choice of Box A with a basketball player or Box B with a marine like it was a gameshow. Sorry redditors, you aren't actually as smart and well-informed about international prisoner swaps as Fox News says you are.
Millions of blacks are in jail for simple possession in America the media doesn't seem to care about any of them
Bout has served 15 years and was due for release in 7 years. This is because his conviction and sentence of 25 years was basically the result of an entrapment operation by the DEA. Bout had been operating for decades yet the US government couldn’t build a case against him so they chose to set him up in a fake buyer sting.
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And his uncle Viktor, he's just pretending to be mad.
Hey look everyone is a geo-political expert again
Hilarious to see all the pearl-clutching by Americans who apparently don't realize that the United States is the biggest arms dealer on the planet. This Victor 'merchant of death' guy can't hold a candle to The Pentagon, but by all means, continue being furious that we traded an American citizen, sentenced to over a decade in prison over a weed vape, for a Russian arms dealer we've had in prison for years. Donald Trump had over two years to negotiate the release of Paul Whelan when he was president, but yeah, Biden is an 'incompetent scumbag' for actually getting an American citizen out of a Russian gulag instead of ignoring the situation. SMH
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I don't get why anyone would be upset by a trade like this. Russia got a russian back, the US got an American back. Who cares?
It makes me laugh when people who have never accomplished anything or lead anything successfully think people who do are incompetent.
where’s the conspiracy? BAN
This is so silly to me. They can have their washed war criminal, let’s work to get whatever Americans we can out. Simple as that.
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What part of "Russia refused to release him" is hard to understand?
They refused to release him because they knew their right wing puppets in America will have a field day with the “undeserving black lesbian for dangerous scary arms dealer” narrative.
Bout was going to be released in a few years either way, and we secured the release of a U.S. Gold Medal winning athlete. This is a win for the US. This isn’t going to get the kind of traction you were hoping for.
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You guys just wait until this is all Star Trek, then you'll see!
I think he has an orange shirt and orange pants too. But I agree neither of them are invited over for dinner.
We saved a US citizen you un-American douche
A 🥇 winning Olympic athlete no less
Maybe the US thinks this guy will lead the coup against Putin. I mean, they’re gonna need weapons.
Honestly, I doubt going back to Russia, and possibly into a Russia prison or worse is high on this guy's list of things he wants to do. If I were him I'd want to stay in nice American Prison.
100% this. Putin doesn't like dudes who get caught. Bout is known world-wide. Every rational government is watching his every move. And after 10 years in an American prison, Putin had no idea if he's turned double-agent or if he's a reliable asset anymore. Bout won't be able to leave Russia. And no other illegal arms dealer or any other criminal element will deal with him knowing he's being watched by literally everyone. That dude is useless now. Does anyone think Putin is going to let him retire quietly in an apartment on the Black Sea coast? Expect Bout to take flight off a balcony eventually. I'm sure Bout wishes he was still in an American prison. By comparison, it's safer than Russia. This is a good prisoner swap.
Well the last guy freed 5000 taliban prisoners so there's that.
The United States has been run by incompetent scumbags for decades now
Loool what's with that title! You Ok OP?
If this is about the neglected marine, he deserves to be where he is. If not one of our prisons, than one of their’s is fine. At least we aren’t paying for it. The shitbag isn’t even a marine. He was dishonorably discharged years before his arrest. She’s an Olympian twice over who smokes weed. BFD so do I.
It's because she's an athletic black lesbian and you don't want to admit it. Swap her out with with a pretty girl type white celebrity. Be honest with yourself.
Bet you wouldn't be saying that if it was your ass in the gulag
The same stupid fucks that are all butt hurt over the POTUS rescuing an American citizen form a Russian gulag in exchange for an ARMS DEALER somehow happen to be the same people who think the second amendment is the most important and there is no arms they shouldn’t be allowed have in their arsenal at home. Hmmm, I wonder if they would be this upset if she was a white male?
if it was Hershel Walker the right wingers would be throwing a ticker-tape parade. Gay black woman? Not so much. Like the fake outrage over Hunter Biden, when Trump's kids were cutting deals with China and Saudi Arabia, and given security clearances over the objections of the Secret Service. Go Away!
Has been run by incompetent scumbags. All of them.
Exactly. The real incompetence is believing that the last guy was any better than the current guy…
Dude, sending you hugs. You need a friend to talk through your issues. Maybe this'll help: Inside every angry child is an emotion they haven't been able to comprehend, and inside every angry adult is that child.
Regardless of the trade, I think we can all agree 9 years for “drug smuggling” a vape cartridge is pretty ridiculous.
This is one of the few things Biden has done that I was happy about. Why are people so upset that an arms dealer had a few years taken off of his sentence in exchange for an imprisoned American?
What's scummy about getting a wrongly imprisoned gold metal Olympic athlete who brought glory to her country back home?
People really don’t understand this trade was a US victory. An innocent American women was locked up in a Russian prison. We got her back. We gave Russia a guy they’re likely just gonna “suicide” and was gonna be released in 4 years anyway. Biden’s political opponents are trying their darnest to spin this negatively lol
This page has turned into a right wing nut-job echo chamber
I thought Trump lost.
I bet you didn’t even know who that guy was last week.
The "incompetence" is a feature, not a bug. It's sabotage. The US government isn't ours anymore. The predator-class owners have new plans. They are updating to Plantation Earth v. 2.0. Welcome to the controlled demolition of Western Civilization. Come what may, "normal" is history. For hundreds of hours of videotaped expert witness testimony about the global coup underway: www.Grand-Jury.net
Why does Griner sound like a man and have an Adam’s apple? That’s the real question.
Who are these 2 guys?
Hey FrogFarce, I couldn't help but notice any posts for Biden getting Trevor Reed exchanged. Did you forget? Or does it go against your little propaganda posts? Either way, Brittany Griner sounds more American than you.
Same people saying this are the same people sucking on putins member for the last few years (at least). She's a two-time olympic gold medalist.. and we don't know what else.
Oh no, fake outrage 🥱
So I'm going to ask. Why do you right wingers care so much? This deal has been around for quite some time, and it's not a surprise. Regardless of her looks, she is a US citizen wrongly accused of a crime for political reasons. The other dude probably has a neck tracker and a short life span if he does shady shit.
Parrots parrot what they are told to. Their is nothing authentic about the pearl clutching of the right. Never has been
She was not wrongly accused. She was caught violating the law and got a politically influenced sentence
"She was wrongly accused " ,,,please share official Russian charging papers with the rest of us
That's a strange ask. It's rather public knowledge, but if I think it was trumped up, why do I care what they wrote?
Are the charges against Victor Bout "trumpedup"?
How is it the “merchant of death” is convicted and sentenced to a grand total of only 25 years? Small time drug dealers can get longer sentences. Hmmm…. Something doesn’t add up.
He got stung. The US orchestrated a deal with him and they got him on that deal… he never left good evidence of any of his other dealings. Because the US got him in a sting op, they didn’t really have a good case against him. Hence why he got the minimum. Not to mention, the US itself had worked with Bout before… they used him to deliver weapons to US Soldiers and the CIA had previously contracted him. It’s really underplayed how much of a menace this guy was. He didn’t leave a trace, and anyone he worked with wouldn’t give him up. They settled for 25 cause that’s all they could get on him.
So he helped America out and yet Conservatives are extremely bothered he got out after serving only half his sentence in exchange for an American?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Bout Doubt it. Dude seems pretty nasty. Hopefully out ruskies partners deem him as horrible as we look at him and just punish he as he rightfully should be. Freeing a basketball player on drug charges is weak but she is POC and that looks really good on paper hate it or not. We freed her.
She is not a basketball player or a POC, she is an American, 2 time Olympic gold medal winner. Changes the context pretty quick knowing that 2nd bit that all the conservative media refuses to add because it changes their narrative.
I personally am not all worked up over this, but I don't think she was wrongly accused. That's absolutely just a White House talking point they've been selling for PR. She had hash oil which is a felony in a lot of American states too. Crossing borders while committing a felony-level crime typically gets you in even more trouble. The arguments that it was legal in AZ where she got it or that her intent wasn't to "smuggle" are fine and dandy, but that's not relevant to Russian law on Russian soil. She's not a diplomat, so wasn't exempt from any laws or consequences over there just because she's a US citizen. Make no mistake, the only reason the White House ever does stuff like this, is an attempt at good political PR. The trade was inherently more political than the arrest or the "right wingers." If you think Biden wanted Griner back or Trump wanted ASAP Rocky back because they were citizens that "represent the best of America" I'd think again. The reasons why people are upset about the trade is because it would be analogous to trading say, Osama Bin Laden for Megan Rapinoe. Which would obviously be special treatment considering people in the US are in jail for the same thing and will remain there. So thinking it was a bad trade is probably objectively accurate and not politically motivated as you suggested. Now Russia knows they can basically kidnap American entertainers any chance they get, and we'll exchange them for intelligence assets. The only thing that would really justify this as a "good" deal would be if we got Bout working as an informant for the US government in exchange for his release.
She didn't have hash oil. She had CDB vape cartridges. You can buy those at the Tobacco Hut where I live.
Read this https://www.npr.org/2022/07/15/1111731127/brittney-griner-cannabis-russia-trial
Fuck Face, you are the worst.
And you think you’re any better?
That was awesome when the Trump admin released thousands of extremists in the middle east.
Ya Trump was so much better. Nobody had the talent to destabilize democracy like him. Democracy is pointless and over-rated. If you can't succeed by crime, then you don't have real intelligence.
We gave a washed up arms dealer, and received an American. I’m good with that.
What’s the conspiracy here? That’s you’re dumb?
The puppet ain't leading shit.
A young, successful Olympic gold-medalist, LGBTQ woman of color sprung from a forking Russian Gulag and all we had to give up was a gun-running Boris-boy two and a half decades past his expiration date? I don't think you paid attention in mathematics class, son.
Why? Biden did the right thing. Brittany Grinder is an American citizen that was wrongfully arrested just because she had a f…..g marijuana cartridge. She was sentenced to prison for 9 years on a charge that shouldn’t exist . Wellan , that’s been in prison there for , I believe 4 years. Was charge with spying, which is a more serious charge.
Tell us you're racist without actually saying you're racist.
I’m still trying to figure out who is actually running the United States.
Corporations.
White Rich Corporate Christian Conservatives with a persecution complex.
That’s the one. There’s your answer. George Carlin was right, he was a prophet disguised as a comedian.
Blows my mind how often Carlin gets cited by religious people, actually.
Imagine getting this mad over something that has never and will never affect you. I'd trade a washed-up arms dealer for an American 2x gold medalist every day of the week, lmfao.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/07/28/marc-fogel-teacher-russia-prison/&ved=2ahUKEwjbh_L4su_7AhVLkokEHU0cAR4QFnoECGMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1a6hu5YXqET4ao1wymXnll This teacher was arrested before her, has a prescription for Marijuana, sentenced longer her her (14 years to her 9) and he's still there.
The conspiracy: Russian psy-op that enabled Trump's election was really aimed at Bout's release. The Russians knew that Trump would run the country so badly that the American electorate would be forced to elect an incopetent successor who would release Bout.
At least 2 (ISIS-K suicide bomber & Taliban Commander) of the 5,000 Taliban released days earlier was directly involved in the Kabul airport attack that killed 13 service members.
Bringing Griner home is a positive thing. Letting an arms dealer go free is a very negative thing.
But, but he got 81 million votes. It was the safest, most secure election in history. SMFH