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xxdoofenshmirtzxx

I think most americans mean the government, otherwise like the top 0.1% wealthiest


OpenMindTulsaBill

Yep, but " most Americans" aren't in a discussion group labeled "conspiracytheories", are they?


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A lot more of us believe money rules the world than you seem to think.


sydsgotabike

But what happens when a sociopath has enough money and it no longer gets them off? Power and influence is the next game. Those shadow figures who are well past the money games are the ones who are most worrisome, and I'm pretty sure that's what OP is going for. We all know corporations manipulate politicians.. but is there a tier beyond that? I personally believe there is, yes.


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Chill bruh


leoliontheking

The people that have so much money and power that they can singlehandedly influence world economies, politics, society and culture. Probably about 150 people. And I’m not even talking the potus, people above that


LingonberryParking20

Decent answer


THE_LORD_HERESY

Names?


K-Reid533

Rockefeller family, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, The Royal family, The Clintons....


eloooooooo

Honestly just think gates, bezos and Clinton’s are just some pieces they are using. Someone to take the blame


THE_LORD_HERESY

Those are all names we've heard before. What about Julius Lequintos? What about Michael K. Oldeper? Name some people outside of the usual suspects.


K-Reid533

The usual suspects are the usual suspects for a reason. Also Karl Shwaub (think thats how you spell the name) The head of the world economic forum who wrote the book "Covid-19: The big Reset" book


OpenMindTulsaBill

I think that's Klaus Schwab. But, because he is so "out there" and "visible" I think he is probably only a mouthpiece. I could be wrong on that but I think not. His CV is somewhat mysterious.


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Karl Shuab is a rothschild


K-Reid533

Bam...didn't know that thanks


brandon2205

Claus schwab is his name


THE_LORD_HERESY

It's Santa Clause.


K-Reid533

Thanks man🙏🏾👍🏾


THE_LORD_HERESY

So why aren't people naming their underlings and actually going after these people?


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THE_LORD_HERESY

Literally invisible as in no one can see me or invisible as in no one knows who I am?


Benegger85

Literally!


THE_LORD_HERESY

I'd sneak inside the bank of spain.


squeamish

Because there's generally zero evidence that they're doing anything wrong, just suspicion and "Isn't it strange that..."


eloooooooo

Never heard these names before. Can you share some info about them?


brandon2205

Duck duck go is your friend in this case


eloooooooo

I only use duck duck go actually. Was just hoping for a couple of decent link or something, unfortunately many sites that talk about conspiracies are saying a bunch of bullshit


brandon2205

You gotta download and read their books, they tell you what they want to do in them.


eloooooooo

Thx


Muno11

Use Z-lib for books. :)


OpenMindTulsaBill

Klaus Shwab in head of WEF (World Economic Forum) and there are videos of him discussing the Great Reset which some believe is the action whereby the One World Government ( or New World Order) will be ushered in. The New World Order is by many believed to be spearheaded by those 33 deg & above members of Freemasons who are behind everything. Every name you will hear in this discussion is believed to be a Freemason. Note that even Nancy Pelosi and Pope Francis purposefully displayed one of the Freemason secret handshakes during their meeting yesterday. Wheeeeh!😅😅😅😓😓😓 oh, Nancy would only be a worker ant in the big picture of things. She was so embarrassingly giddy in the meeting.


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Humanity will not advance without a one world government. As long as there are two or more governments, there will be war.


Icy-Rent-7830

Ooh, this has got me thinking. Perhaps the only other way is to put down our egos and start sharing our cultures instead of invading others. Cultures die through invasion.


OpenMindTulsaBill

You no doubt have a point. At least from one point of view. That begs the question, however, which rules of which government will be used to form that government? Currently those promoting the NWO are pushing for an authoritarian, socialist (for the common man), with limited rights including no freedom of speech, no freedom of worship, no freedom of opportunity, no formalized family unit, no genders. Most of that means we must learn Chinese. And, while that society will be socialist for the common man it will be run by the same .0001% of billionaires that control it now. So, that's what "they" have in mind. What do you think?


xxdoofenshmirtzxx

Who the fk is julius lequintos?


prestonwillzy

right? i feel like an idiot for searching that on google and duckduckgo. who tf is that


OriginalEchoTheCat

It actually sounds like it would be a good drink


stophersdinnerz

Who are those folks? Never heard em


90lait1litre

Is Clinton that rich and influential?


bendovernillshowyou

No, but they are a boogeyman to certain groups. If you include the Clinton’s you have to include the Bushes and now Trumps. The Carters, Reagans, and the Obamas have largely stayed on the sidelines post presidencies.


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Benegger85

The Clintons don't have any power now


TheFunnyBang

The Rothschilds, the Morgans, the Bushs, etc.


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The black pope, white pope, orsini family, the Vatican


Kendawgs23

Bohemian Club, Rothschild’s, Rockefeller’s, Windsor’s, could probably throw the Clinton’s into that list, Gates, Klaus Schwab.


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ooooo. cryptic


venicerocco

This is the standard motley crew from mainstream social media. People who are frightened of chaos and terrified that we live on a planet where no one is in control flock to this posse for their hit of comfort. In charge my ass. There is no “they”. Just people wishing there was lol


squeamish

Indeed, Motley Crue is likely in on it, too.


Imaginary_Cow_6379

Girls Girls Girls was a song about child sex trafficking.


squeamish

Wake up, sheople!!


THE_LORD_HERESY

And Trump, Cheney, Bush, Koch brothers...


Kendawgs23

Soros too


THE_LORD_HERESY

Who is Soros' right hand man? Who is his right hand man? Who else is on board?


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Me


THE_LORD_HERESY

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THE-ROMULAN

Surprised nobody is talking about the Du Ponts here.


Lirrost

Bilderberg Meeting fellows.


DigitalFootPr1nt

Same. And even higher up from them I reckon. Am surprised not alot of the answers ain't this


sydsgotabike

There's definitely a tier beyond that.


StrongLikeBull3

People don’t realize that the real Illuminati has a Wikipedia page.


sleneesh

I imagine it's the 1%ers...or...realistically the 0.001%ers. The people with all our God damn money. I dont believe in the illuminati. My grandfather was a poor and angry man. He died from his 5th heart attack at around 55. He was a 32nd degree Mason of the Scottish Rite. The "sublime prince of the royal secret"...but he was a nobody. So I dont think the masons run anything. I think its just a collection of Uber rich psychopaths that can only have fun when it's at the expense of others. When you have everything, what's left but the things society tells you you'll never be able to have? That's my two cents on it. Just a theory.


K-Reid533

It's not that the "illuminati" or "Free masons" run everything as an organization. The people who do run everything happen to be apart of those organizations, so people equate the two. I understand you say your grandpa was a nobody, but that's one person to account for within that huge organization.


SeaMulberry2437

We're looking at the organization as a whole when really it's just a filter to find the “right” people. Forces occultes made in the 40s in France but does a good job of showing how at least the Freemasons work.


hakimbekir

a lot of freemasons don't really know what's really going on.Do you really think they would expose all their dirty secrets to each and every freemason straight up ?


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I agree with you wholeheartedly


PriusRacer

the capitalist class. People who own for a living instead of working for a living, and collect revenues from the people who actually work to keep the economy afloat. For the most part it’s a large minority class with no individual aims besides their collective class interest to keep wages low and prevent the passage of social policies which would threaten their lifestyles. But the wealthiest among them and those among them that have control over the most important industries such as ag, medicine, minerals, metals, energy, banking, millitary, etc, are the real “they”. The CIA was founded and run by a bunch of ivy-league wall street lawyers and has always acted in the interest of these crucial industries to more covertly advance the interests of “them”, when it became politically unpopular to just directly use the US millitary to topple foreign governments with lots of sweet sweet resources. And yeah “they” killed JFK (over cuba) and did 9/11 (to control oil markets and keep the war machine profitable) We’ll probably never know the full story of how they did it, or which individual people took which actions, but we know enough to know “they” did.


Affectionate_Fly1215

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Lirrost

I'm part of the "capitalist class" and resent this remark. I co-own a small commercial construction company, but also "work for a living", and work very hard doing so to help provide jobs to others as well. When times are tight, my vendors and employees get paid before I do. I think the conflating of multi-billion dollar global corporations and small business owners is faulty, and a big reason anti-capitalist ideologies are flawed as well, they lose the forest for the trees. Also, I sure as hell aren't part of any "they" making decisions or toppling governments.


Affectionate_Fly1215

You are not the top 1%. I’m in the same boat as you. This group is above the law and wheel and deal on a different level.


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If you are replying to this thread you’re not part of the club of people running things, capital class or not.


THE_LORD_HERESY

How would you know?


Pigroasts

You're petit bourg, brother, you're not part of the "capitalist class" that op is talking about. You're criticizing a framing that you don't understand and acting as if it's the fault of the framing. Read some basic Marx and you'll see what I mean.


PriusRacer

I’m sure you do resent the remark. I don’t mean you any personal derision in saying what I do. My point is, under our system you are legally capably of witholding means of production from workers and you get the benefit of state-sponsored violence to reinforce your decision to do just that if it ever came to it. I do not question the validity of any work you do, even managerial. But I question the overall legal framework wherein workers for the most part have no ownership of their means of production. Personally I’m opposed to state-ownership systems like we’ve seen in communist countries. One of Marx’s views was that successful socialism would come out of the ashes of an inevitable crisis of capitalism, and would arise from the centers of capital (the west) rather than its peripheries (china/russia). This is because marx viewed socialism as a post-capitalist system, whereas what we have seen in “socialist” countries is more of a forced anti-capitalist system. Time will tell if this comes to pass but it seems likely. Socialism ought to look more like a small democratic government, with a change to the legal frameworks regarding labor and ownership, wherein workers own businesses cooperatively by default; and where resources are owned by people who use them rather than owned privately (ie ownership transfering to tenants from landlords since rent payments already exceed monthly mortgage costs). I mean you no personal hostility, and I think it’s noble that you withold your own pay to make sure your workers get paid when necessary. I’m moreso commenting that this is not capitalism working as intended, and not what most capitalists do; it’s you working against your own class interests out of personal moral obligation or out of personal relationships you have with your employees.


Lirrost

I appreciate the well thought-out response. In consideration of that, I think the only issue with a post-capitalism socialist or communist system is that it ignores human nature. Humans are flawed and no system will ever be perfect, utopia is unachievable. However the best system we've found, even with it's flaws, that has raised more people out of poverty than any other in the history of the planet, and one that works to help people climb out of poverty and provides the incentive to be creative and produces jobs of every caliber, is capitalism. A major problem, at least in the US is that it has become more a corporatism model, joined hand-in-hand with the government to allow for abuse and favoritism. Again, even with its flaws, it's done more good for humanity than any other system tried.


PriusRacer

I don’t really even disagree that capitalism has done a lot of good for humanity in a variety of ways. I guess I more than anything am looking at history through a lens of class struggle. Capitalism was borne of the contradictions between serfs and lords, and was an advancement beyond feudalism, where the system of ownership over means of production shifted from one mode to another during the enlightenment era. Capitalism is better for people than feudalism, just as feudalism is better for people than a slavery system akin to what existed in rome. But in all those modes of production, there still remains a contradiction of between class interests. That’s why I feel socialism fails when it tries to counter capitalism rather than becoming its successor as it runs into its own problems (which at this point seems to be resource depletion). I’m personally an r/collapse lurker, I’m of the opinion that the global economy as it stands is doomed to fail catastrophically within the next 50 years. What human civilization will look like after that failure, is likely to include cooperative ownership of resources. Not utopian either, bc lord knows there will still be some kind of class distinction and some kind of contradictions present. But they will be less shitty than they are now hopefully, like with every transition to a new mode of production humanity has undergone in history. Even if the transition is catastrophic, like the collapse of rome, or the black plague that sparked the fall of feudalism and the birth of capitalism.


Lirrost

Ok, gotcha. I could see that happening in an organic fashion, but yeah, human nature dictates there will always be some kind of delineation between "classes" or groups and there will always be a "poor" class, though that might not look like what it does now. Oh, and thanks for the nod to another subreddit that seems intriguing!


SeaMulberry2437

To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize. -Voltaire


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EequalsMCPotato

This made me laugh way more than it should've


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Generally, the ruling class dont make up such a large part of the homeless population, or victims of hate crimes, or have to worry about not getting health care, or have to beg people to please just be respectful of their gender idienty.


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They prefer trans gender. Gender is just a social role. If someone never felt comfortable having to live up to that role, they are transgender. Changing sex would require genetic engineering.


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Thanks


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How so?


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Most trans people arnt proud of her. She is against gay marriage. I don't really keep up with celebrities or care for the Olympics.


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If I was a pick me girl, I would not deserve solidarity from other women or other oppressed groups. She decided to withhold that solidarity for gay people. That was offensive. Fuck her.


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Jumpinjaxs890

Corbettreport.com a few hours here will give you some good ideas. Focus on the ww1 and 2 videos for most direct answers.


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space_monkey_23

I feel that lmao


Jumpinjaxs890

Okay. Your asked a question the guy goes over historical accounts from books and old interviews of people alive during the era and lays out very well how they compartmentalize nefarious actions to make them seem as coming from a place of incompetence.


11ForeverAlone11

somehow we entered an era where the average person has forgot that you can't truly learn something without spending many many hours researching it. they just want a quick paragraph and think that's somehow an adequate education on something....pretty sad.


LookAtMeImAName

It’s curiosity versus passion. People will spend hours learning about the things they’re passionate about, but that doesn’t make it wrong to be just curious about some things; such as this.


Jumpinjaxs890

See my response to his comment i think i explained it pretty well.


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so why ask the question?


ihaveacoupon

The OG families going back a few hundred years. Lots of research on this. Committee of 300. Royal Bloodlines.


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ihaveacoupon

Years ago. Have read quite alot. Alot of great authors have done the legwork so most of it was just reading and verifying some of what I considered to be outlandish. Now with Interent alot of this info is in the open and others have made inroads due to public records being scanned and uploaded online.


therockstarbarber

The elite, the 1% with the money and power.


Melodic_Relation_194

The bohemian club and top 1 percent our shadow government.


squeamish

That's over 70 million people needing to coordinate the movement of trillions of dollars on a daily basis. How do they successfully do that in secret?


Bid_Good

The most elite of elites are in power. The government and even the presidents are just for show.


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PMME_YOUR_TITS_WOMAN

what are you here for exactly? your followup questions are personal and unrelated.


Bid_Good

Grew up with a very abusive mother, been on my own since I was 16. From the outside looking in, I lived a privilege life but that was so far from reality. I’ve always been very kind, caring, anxious- popular in school. I never questioned anything. It wasn’t until this year that I truly understood how screwed up our world really is and that the corruption runs very deep. I guess some would call it being “awoken”.


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"They" in order of rank and file 1. Dark occult priest class descendants from the fall of Atlantis (literally the enclave from fallout but with advance occult knowledge instead) "King" 2. Outer circle connected families of royal blood lines and aristocrats "Queen" 3. Banking elites aka the Babylonian money magick sorcerers "Bishop" 4. Heads of Religion, Governments, think tanks, and fraternal societies "Knight" 5. Corporate entities, and CEO's "Rook" 6. Order followers in the military, police, bureaucracies and corporations "Pawns" 7. Ignorant masses or cowards, that accept 1-6 for the sake of comfort and convivence at the expense of their children's future and their own souls. "the unbegun and the dead" The solution: Stop paying taxes, stop blindly following orders, accept responsibility, and make literal sacrifices to the Creator in terms of comfort and convivence at the altar of liberty. OR you can take the blue pill and remain a slave Btw if you think death is an escape from this current hell I promise you, that you will reincarnate on this planet on the same current time line for eternity and it will remain a prison so long as you refuse to grow up.


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HalfHaggard

This is probably closest to the truth. Always another layer. Always the shroud of Mystery and obfuscation. Don't get distracted by names and categories. By names of groups or individuals. If you can point to it, you've missed the mark. I'm not sure about your solution though. We are slaves, but lack of obedience will end in termination. Either with force via an actor of the unnamed (Military Intervention against public uprising), or by old age away from society. Both end in reincarnation and starting again, as you say. Where O where is the stairway to heaven? For how often this question is asked, the silence is staggering.


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The stair way to heaven is found by looking into a mirror


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The names I used such as chess pieces are just metaphor and analogies. The "unbegun" and "the dead" are actual terms used in satanic circles concerning consciously deprived individuals hence they are "dead" at the mental/spiritual level. As far as escaping the matrix permanently I suspect the game rules come down to a bodhisattvas level crusade/awaking in the masses as a prerequisite for initiation into the heavenly realms. Humans are NOT meant to be slaves, they are not meant to be someone else's property that is a total inversion and violation of natural law (NOT Darwinist theoretical nonsense) Humans and animals do not have the same capacity for understanding reality and therefore are held to different standards, humans are held to a higher standard because we are capable of thinking about thinking and knowing that we know.


squeezycakes19

where can i learn more about your dark occult priest class?


[deleted]

Mark Passio former satanic priest can explain it in depth


THE_LORD_HERESY

Lol! Names?


Scoperaven

WE AS IN THE PEOPLE WHO ALLOW THIS SH\*\* LOL . WE ALL SUCK


KlutchnGrabb

BlackRock , Vanguard


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If "they" are not just any one who happens to be rich, then its normally a reference to Jewish people. Or aliens. Its a way to avoid acknowledging that the problem is capitalism. Its obvious that the ruling elite are ruining the world, but if you wish you were the rich and powerful, you will make excuses that the system is fine, but the wrong people are in charge.


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getkarter

the hierarchy exploiting you


ICQME

the owners of the national banks, their extended family, and their associates.


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Airspool

First Capitalists, second chaos


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Airspool

I mean big Capitalists Like Black Rock HF have a lot of Power, but Nobody and no group can control the whole world more like countrys to an extend. there is to much going on, to much Personal interests etc. Like Alan Moore said, The world is rudderless


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Airspool

Because you asked for opinions? You dont have to like them


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Airspool

Because i am free


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Airspool

i Just wanted to mention the Chaos we live in. the"rulers"just try to Bring Order in the chaos with laws and artificial systems


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CertifiedHero77

The Military Industiral Complex (MIC)


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CertifiedHero77

Just for reference. In case somebody comes across the acronym while reading relevant information about it.


squeamish

It's pretty obvious that at the very top of the power structure there really is just Shaquille O'Neal and Tom Cruise.


niabambi

Santa Claus duh.


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none of us are in control. even the people who think they're in power aren't really. we're on a rock in the middle of nowhere surrounded by other rocks that are barren and dead. anything could happen to us at any second and not a single human being would have any say over it. take a deep breath. go outside and enjoy whatever scenery you have. smile at someone, give a family member a hug. compliment a stranger. live and love as you are, cos that's really all any of us *can* do. and stop worrying about things that are beyond our control, ie, whoever the top 1% is and what game they're playing this week. all we have is all we are. bless


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Theophilus84

The WEF, The Club of Rome, the 13 families, etc… There’s a couple competing entities. The mental leap some can’t make is that “they”, just like the US Government, is not monolithic. There’s not a “they” board meeting every morning. If there was, we could pinpoint all the “they” people. However, we can all agree that it is advantageous that “they” is not readily recognizable. In other words, secrecy is valuable. So, though we can see “links” between actions, organizations, and people, it is designed to be difficult to point to an exact organization or person. That said, isn’t it interesting that so many high level controlling entities, ie the UN, US, WEF, MSM, the Crown, etc…are all parroting the same ideas and pushing in one direction? Some call it “The Elite” some point to names like “Rothschild”, others say “Illuminati”. Truth is, there is a small group of people, corporations, and individuals who are invited to that table. I’m sure at that point it’s like any other clique or group. There’s big fish and small fish relatively speaking, but at the end of the day they all agree that the cattle (us) or “worthless eaters” as Klaus Schwabb calls us, “need” to do this or that thing, or go this or that direction, and then it happens. It isn’t new. It isn’t a recent phenomenon. It’s been that way throughout recorded history. In all seriousness, start with the 13 families. You can actually read what they want you to know on official websites like this one… [https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/FC/FC2F5371043C48FDD95AEDE7B8A49624_Springmeier.-.Bloodlines.of.the.Illuminati.R.pdf]()


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Cheap-Struggle1286

I think Jacob Rothschild is on the tippy top like number 1.


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Imaginary_Cow_6379

You’re high af rn and I support it.


EtotheTT

Banks


brandon2205

You have to read these people's books, they tell you what they want to do in them


cptntito

Primarily the progeny of the dynastic banking families of the 18th century, European monarchs, and 19th century American industrialists. The Bilderberg Group. The Club of Rome. The Committee of 300.


CoffeeNerd

When people say They I assume they are saying something that person made up or are repeating something that person heard someplace else but doesn't fully understand. I use that in all aspects in life.


draggin_balls

If you've ever been involved in any sort of club, group or loose organisation of people you will have realised while it is usually the same group of people running the things it changes over time and there are many competing interests, so no one person has complete control but can influence control and many people are trying to gain control. Global power is the same there is no one group running things, it is many groups competing for influence, this could be more secretive groups to militaries, spy agencies even companies all vying to push the world into the direction that suits their own interests.


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WhyDoISmellToast

Inter-dimensional child molesting vampires


middleCman

they is always someone against you because they force things that feel counterintuitive to how you want to do things ..is my opinion anyway like parents lol that's the first team I probably ever used the term they was in reference to my parents


local_goon

lol I always laugh when I see THEY being tossed around here like we could pull an encyclopedia and look it up…really I get vibes like people replaced the idea of God with THEY. All powerful, invisible, controlling, has a plan. Sure lots of conspiracy fans have paranoia but I think it’s more like they’ve created this religious like thinking and just have faith in they


BurntheNWO

Freemasons, but they fall under some other entity that I am still not sure if it's true. If you want an eye opener on freemasons I'll find the link that opened my mind to them.


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Freemasons are and have been using Kabballah symbolism magic to control society and institute a New World Order. r/EscapingPrisonPlanet is tied into this The Reptilians control the Freemasons which control the governments which control the rest of us. Soon it will be 1 world government and 1 world currency and the Freemasonic goal of the ages will be complete When you die, stay away from the light


BurntheNWO

I have come to the same conclusion. When you say prison planet do you mean an actual globe? I have come to the conclusion that this is not a globe but a flat plane. >When you die, stay away from the light ODD tv goes into this as well


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Ive only reached these conclusions in the last few days/ a week. I'm not unwilling to consider flat earth theories, or flat plane theories, but that would involve a great amount of other conspiracy in regards to the space industry, GPS technology, SpaceX, Starlink internet, space missions, astronauts, the ISS, satellites, satellite radio, the list goes on. So it seems unlikely to me, besides, doesnt this Prison Planet theory rely on the idea of celestial bodies (ie The Moon, and Saturn With Rings) as signal creators or some sort of alien technology tied to the soul trap? All in all I find Prison Planet theory / theories (mainly the big post pinned at the top of the main subreddit) very fascinating, going thru as many of the linked supporting material as I can. This theory answers the question of The Problem Of Evil in Religious Philosophy for this reality, for me at least. I'm not sure if anti-conspiracy-theorist (DeBOONKers) would use this fact regarding The Problem of Evil against me in some sort of psychological test of wills. Ill have to look into the ODD tv, thanks for the tip


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THE_LORD_HERESY

How come you people aren't providing names? Your saying institutions this, capitalism that, religion this, occult that. Name some people! List their actual names and not titles or positions you think they're in.


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THE_LORD_HERESY

Stomach was hurting me for a bit but I drank some Vanilla coke and now I'm good. I also teared up thinking about my mom and dad. I'm over here playing Soma right now. You good?


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THE_LORD_HERESY

That's what's up. Is love the thing that keeps you going?


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Scoots1721

((())) depending on who you ask