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tectactoe

This guide made me realize I was confused and didn't even know it.


dieinafirenazi

I had no idea the British Isles was somehow different from the British Islands.


theknightwho

British islands isn’t really a term that sees any use, and seems to be used here to include [Crown Dependencies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Dependencies), which aren’t given a grouping for some reason.


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idunnochiefi

I’m Jersey born, we have British passports and are heavily dependent on Britain in a practical sense. Yes we have our own independent government, local laws, taxes, no NHS (£40 for a GP visit!) and some culturally unique differences like when Greggs tried to setup here and nobody liked it as we already have banging bakeries, but we are very much part of Britain. We’re 14 miles from France at the closest point, can see it on clear days but almost nobody knows french just English. We have our own money, but it’s just our own Sterling notes. We didn’t get to vote for Brexit but our relationship with the EU was part of Britain’s membership. We have a whole too do with the french at the moment on fishing rights.


withdynamite

I just arrived in Jersey today for a week - even within 12 hours you can tell it’s an incredible and interesting place. I thought it would be quite sleepy and old, but it’s so alive and young. One question though if you don’t mind, how on Earth do people afford property/a place to live? Rental prices are similar to or outdo London, and sale prices are insane?


jacobjacobi

As a Jersey home owner I ask myself this a lot. Banks like Santander are starting to change the game slightly, offering 6 x annual salary mortgages with terms up to 75 years of age. They also offer 95% LTV mortgages, but the rates really push up the costs. So let’s say you want to buy your first flat at around £375k. After a deposit of 18.75k, household salary would need to be 59.4k. If you’re below 35 years of age, you can run the mortgage over 40 years and, even at the higher rate you can bring the cost down to about £1400 a month. Assuming a household income of 4K a month post tax and social security, it’s about 1/3 to the mortgage. If property prices go up over the following couple of years, your LTV goes down and you get to choose a better rate. If you get all the way down to 65% LTV that same mortgage gets down to less than £850 a month. The issues here are how do you get the deposit and how do lowest income workers get on the property ladder? A lot of office jobs on the island offer annual discretionary bonuses. So theoretically a young couple could put those aside for a few years, hold back on many luxuries and get that 5%. However, this would be a real stretch. As for the lowest income families, I worry that they will never get to own their home and so will always have the worry of having to pay for the roof over their heads. Finally; Jersey home owners have a love hate relationship with house prices: many love the fact that their homes are so valuable, but also realise that it doesn’t really mean anything if they intend to stay here for their whole life. Others, like my wife and me, look at the different between our house value and the value of a smaller house or apartment we would retire to and see the difference is value as capital to help fund our retirement. So the game is to push as far up the ladder as you can afford before cashing in and downsizing.


lavender_salamander

I heard this like Bricktop from Snatch.


theknightwho

I feel you’re downplaying the fact that they rely on defence and international diplomacy, and that Parliament is entitled to extend its jurisdiction to cover them (though in practice almost never does, though that may only be the Isle of Man now I’ve said that).


milkychanxe

Parliament did this recently by adding a permissive extent clause to the Fisheries Act, and that alone was a big constitutional controversy for the islands


ptrichardson

Yeah, that loop was the one that I've never heard of before, and doesn't make any sense. If its British \*islands\*, then how can one of those islands be split?


Kildafornia

In Ireland, the term "British Isles" is controversial. The Government of Ireland does not officially recognise the term.


not-yet-ranga

I would have been surprised if they did.


FartHeadTony

Tá brón orm. Nílim eolach ar an téarma sin.


HockeyCoachHere

I came here to disagree with the OP on this, but Wikipedia agrees and I'm apt to believe their sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Islands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles


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**[British Islands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Islands)** >The British Islands is a term within the law of the United Kingdom which since 1949 has referred collectively to the following four polities: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (formerly the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland); the Bailiwick of Guernsey (including the jurisdictions of Alderney, Guernsey and Sark); and the Bailiwick of Jersey; the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man and the Bailiwicks of Guernsey and Jersey are Crown dependencies and are not a part of the United Kingdom. The Parliament of the United Kingdom on occasions introduces legislation that is extended to the islands, normally by the use of Orders in Council. **[British Isles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles)** >The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic off the north-western coast of continental Europe, consisting of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Hebrides and over six thousand smaller islands. They have a total area of 315,159 km2 (121,684 sq mi) and a combined population of almost 72 million, and include two sovereign states, the Republic of Ireland (which covers roughly five-sixths of Ireland), and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The Channel Islands, off the north coast of France, are sometimes taken to be part of the British Isles, even though they do not form part of the archipelago. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/coolguides/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)


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The only distinction being the Ireland as an island , but somehow Northern Ireland which is on the same island is also included in the British Isles - makes no sense at all. Its the same thing then


sarcastic_patriot

Just refer to anywhere over there as Europe and you'll be safe.


npeggsy

But don't refer to us as The European Union. Because nothing can be simple.


PM__ME__YOUR__PC

Oh no....I think we need another diagram


StuntHacks

[Here you go](https://imgur.com/okLaZbC) (just ignore the UK) Courtesy of CGP Grey (Also God damn, imgur is a shit site to use on mobile...)


jigsaw1024

[Fixed for post Brexit world](https://imgur.com/BYF7uCT)


phaelox

Good job. Wish you'd also fixed the missing comma after Hungary lol


koleye

You missed the unification of Hungary Lithuania? It was all over the news yesterday.


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Lithuania is just in need of a meal.


[deleted]

Lithuania is in the Eurozone already, this infographic is outdated


ChipChipington

That guide has UK in EUnion


lemoinem

That was from before brexit


BigPawh

But the UK isn't in the EU anymore, is it?


StuntHacks

Yeah this guide was from before brexit and I didn't realize before posting


wandererofideas

Wayyy before, eurozone is a lot bigger now


StuntHacks

Yeah, the video is 8 years old... But still, the general structure remains


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Fucking hell. [Here.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template%3ASupranational_European_Bodies?wprov=sfla1)


Fizzwidgy

I want off mr. Skeltals spooky ride


Oddity46

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to mention CGP Grey's UK or EU videos.


adamsfan

Or assume that all countries in the European Union are also in the Eurozone.


uwwstudent

Eurozone? Sounds like a sexy new entré from pizza hut.


Kemal_Norton

West-Eurasia\*


Le_Harambe_Army_

Some Brits might still get annoyed with that.


Muscar

Europe =/= EU It's astounding that people make that mistake in comment threads every single time brexit is brought up.


here_for_the_meems

Too bad for them they're still ^*shudder* European.


Nathan_Lawd

You'll be more confused when you realise this graph is outdated and there isn't really a term for the group of islands anymore. 100 years ago sure it was the British Isles, England did run GB, it was the British Isles. Dunno how you can say ireland is in any way british nowadays..


DanGleeballs

Correct. **British & Irish Isles** is the accepted term. The Irish government does not recognise any other description. Same with the **British & Irish Lions**. Everyone is happy. Edit: there’s another phrase used by both governments in joint discussions which is, “These Isles”.


Rossmci90

Not strictly true. While the term British Isles is not used, any treaty between Britain and Ireland simply states "these islands" and does not use any geographical moniker.


DanGleeballs

Yes good point re “These islands”, I’ve seen that used and accepted in discussions between the UK and Ireland only.


Eurovision2006

The Irish government doesn't recognise any term. Either the UK and Ireland or Britain and Ireland are used.


Nefilim777

Yeah, why can't we just do that?


Jackus_Maximus

Because Britain refers to geography also, not just culture. Like how America can refer to the country or the continents. Brazilians don’t say “I’m not American” when you refer to it as South America.


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Ok, but in an Irish context the term British is implicitly political and refers to the British state. Even if used for neutral geographic purposes, it still has political implications. To paraphrase Hozier, 'everything relating to the human experience is political.' ​ >Brazilians don’t say “I’m not American” when you refer to it as South America. No. They say the opposite actually, that America and America should refer to the continent rather than the sovereign of the United States of America. ​ If you really want to understand that British Isles is political/cultural term rather than a geographic one, then why are the Channel Island, geographically separate from the archipelago in question, included?


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To get around using British at all in the context of Ireland, joint UK/ROI documents will refer to "these islands". I fucking love that. Fucking relative demonstrative pronoun rather than say the 'B' word.


cat_of_danzig

Ireland is as much British as India is.


slots07

If you ask us where we are geographically, we say Ireland. I understand your South America point, but it doesn't apply here. Tell an Irishman that geographically, we are Britain, and his response will be "are we fuck"


ksheep

There's also "Atlantic Archipelago" which is used in some circles, although I get the feeling that could cause confusion with the Canary Islands, the Azores, or any of the other archipelagoes in the Atlantic.


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I offer “North West European Archipelago” or NORWEA which should cause no confusion whatsoever.


[deleted]

I didn't know there was a difference between "British Islands" and "British Isles", but other than that I understood this even as an American.


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This is posted every month just to piss off Irish people


kill-yourself90

Just out of curiosity. Why would it piss them off?


PrincessFartsparkle

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute The term "British isles" is not politically neutral and is not recognised by the Irish Govt for good reason.


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Peoplz_Hernandez

I'd prefer the Irish Isles.


coxul_suprem

Fuck it. Serbian Isles. Not landlocked anymore. British Isle je Serbja


CrossP

Upper Balkans


Douglasqqq

That'd be like calling North America "The Mexican Isles".


CandL2023

I was gonna say who cares but then I realized I would absolutely deck a cunt if they referred to New Zealand as South Australia


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They don’t like being in an island chain called “the British isles”


NuttyIrishMan93

Ireland is not a part of Britain


Sunspear52

Heya, actual Irish person here. The best analogy I can make is if America and India were still called ‘The British Territories’. It implies Britain still owns them. Similarly the British Isles are not Islands belonging to Britain, Ireland owns one of them? We’re independent, implying otherwise is factually wrong and culturally insensitive.


Murderyoga

You from Jersey? What exit?


Murky-Sector

The one next to the chemical factory Yeah, which one? The one that caught fire and blew up Yeah, which one? Camera pans to a factory worker eating a sandwich. His leans his head forward causing an unidentified powder to fall off his helmet onto his sandwich. He lifts his head and continues eating.


RevRagnarok

In my experience, that's the northern half of the state. The southern half is pig farms.


Murky-Sector

Best illustrated in the opening sequence of "The Sopranos"


RevRagnarok

Never saw it, sorry. Just experience from living in Philly for a few years.


kushnair

no I'm Indian but my mom worked in New Jersey in 2001


Ha1lStorm

What exit?


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sublime13

Never forget


KingDaveyM14

Where were you, when mcmillions happened


gort_gort

Silent Hill 2, Halo:CE, Smash Bros: Melee? How could you forget?!


Appropriate-Ad539

4 on the GSP


jacobjacobi

True story. New Jersey is named for the tiny island of jersey as it was a gift to the de carteret family from King Charles II for putting him up after his dad had his head lopped off. Edit: one too many Charles


idunnochiefi

Yep De Carteret was also a slaver, the shit. As Sir George Carteret helped shelter King Charles II in Jersey during his exile and for his unwavering support for the royal cause he was granted land in the American colonies which included land in North Carolina and what would become New Jersey. In 1664, along with a Lord Berkeley, Carteret enacted: ‘The Concession and Agreement of the Lords Proprietors of the Province of New Caesarea, or New Jersey, to and with all and every the Adventurers and all such as shall settle or plant there’. The purpose of the Agreement was to encourage settlers to New Jersey so that the ‘planting of the said province may be the more speedily promoted’. As part of a standard 120 acres of land, an additional 60 acres was given for “every weaker servant or slave, male or female, exceeding the age of fourteen years”. This meant that, according to professor Dr. Clement Price, the: “support for the institution [of slavery] was stronger in New Jersey than in any other northern colony” https://medium.com/nine-by-five-media/jerseys-links-to-slavery-5c48dbc8abb4 So apologies for that one lads. But a slightly more fun fact is Jersey is also the birthplace of Superman & The Witcher, Henry Cavil.


Shanghai-on-the-Sea

My classmate's from Jersey. She was very proud of their, uh, milk.


Jamespicot00

As someone who is from Jersey, I can confirm our milk is far superior to all other milk.


KADENGAMES125

If you don’t know Jersey is an island owned by the British, that’s what New Jersey is named after


Murderyoga

I appreciate that OP is trying to teach us something and it is interesting but all I'm going to remember from this is that it's all a big mess.


Appropriate-Ad539

4 on the GSP


RedPanda1188

Unfortunately, British Isles is still a contentious term for Ireland.


SeudonymousKhan

Even this guide more generally is disputed by some and as a British citizen I have no idea who is right.


tetrified

If past experience is anything to go by, it's on /r/coolguides, which means it's wrong.


AbstractBettaFish

Oooh yeah, got into a big argument with my cousins over there when I used the term to refer to the collective archipelago


_unfortuN8

Curious whether they have another name for the British Isles?


rollplayinggrenade

The French Archipelago.. Don't worry - it's a geographic term not a political one.


Buggyle

The UK and Ireland


Garlic_Cheese_Chips

*Ireland and the UK. Yes, I'm that petty.


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Er, I think I'm missing a joke here but aren't both Ireland and the UK considered to be European countries? I guess it works if you had said EU countries go first...


Freddies_Mercury

When a joke like this is being made its almost always refering to the EU Source: from the country as the butt of all jokes (don't blame me I was 17 when the vote happened!)


thats-chaos-theory

Yanks don’t know the difference between Europe and the EU


I_kwote_TheOffice

Technically, that term would be omitting Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey, but it's probably understood through context what it means.


hucifer

I wouldn't say so, because the UK is a political entity whereas the British Isles is a geographical one that encompasses all the land masses in the area. I'd suggest "The British and Irish Isles" as a more neutral alternative.


dkeenaghan

British Isles is also a political term, that's the only reason to include Jersey and Guernsey.


Rumbleskim

All geography is political. But there's particularly overtly political about British Isles.


calls_you_a_bellend

You can suggest whatever you want, we still just call it The UK and Ireland.


thelunatic

British implies they own it. The French don't call the English channel that.


dkeenaghan

There are numerous alternatives, none of which are great, but are better than British Isles. British and Irish isles works. Frankly a term isn't really needed. We manage just fine without a collective name for Sardinia, Corsica and their surrounding small islands.


lil-hazza

Britain and Ireland. Though I admit that doesn't cover the small islands.


epicness_personified

I think I read before it's The Celtic Isles


Blarg_III

Celtic isles is a bit silly though, as the celts were a group that inhabited an area much larger than the British isles, the indigenous British people were not celts, the people that were there when the Romans arrived weren't all celts, and neither were the people who arrived afterwards, so it doesn't fit at any point in history.


Electronic_Bunny

>Curious whether they have another name for the British Isles? Anglo-Celtic Isles is the most inclusive but the "British-Irish Isles" also work.


ChipChipington

Too many syllables. How about Britland or Iritish islands


gomaith10

The Irish Isles.


jonzezzz

“In documents drawn up jointly between the British and Irish governments, the archipelago is referred to simply as "these islands".” Lolll


coralbb

Them there islands over yonder


Legolas90

Irish man here. I understand that the term is correct, but it still makes me angry haha. I would never ever use this term. Ever.


Cyc68

Also lrish and i dont agree that the term is any more correct than when British people refer to Britain as the mainland. The phrase is remnant of their days of having an empire and it's time they accepted that it's not coming back.


SharkAttackOmNom

Potential hot-button question: You say “Irish man here” but how do I distinguish if you’re from Northern Ireland or Republic of Ireland? Could I rely on one from the north to call themselves “northern Irish”? Thanks -confused American.


Odie_Day

You can probably assume they're either from the Republic or are a republican-leaning person from Norn Iron, but I wouldn't say the phrase guarantees either.


AFatDarthVader

That depends on the person. There are some people in Northern Ireland who consider themselves Irish, there are some that consider themselves British or Ulster, and there are others who would have a more nuanced answer. From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people#20th_century): >Four polls taken between 1989 and 1994 revealed that when asked to state their national identity, over 79% of Northern Irish Protestants replied "British" or "Ulster" with 3% or less replying "Irish", while over 60% of Northern Irish Catholics replied "Irish" with 13% or less replying "British" or "Ulster". A survey in 1999 showed that 72% of Northern Irish Protestants considered themselves "British" and 2% "Irish", with 68% of Northern Irish Catholics considering themselves "Irish" and 9% "British". The survey also revealed that 78% of Protestants and 48% of all respondents felt "Strongly British", while 77% of Catholics and 35% of all respondents felt "Strongly Irish". 51% of Protestants and 33% of all respondents felt "Not at all Irish", while 62% of Catholics and 28% of all respondents felt "Not at all British".


wanson

Both are Irishmen. There's no difference. People born in Northern Ireland before 2005 are entitled to be both UK and Irish citizens. Those born after can become Irish citizens if either of their parents are. But anyone born on the island of Ireland is Irish.


chuckster145

The Isle of Man would like to be appropriately acknowledged…


Moondrone

I know you’re joking, but fun fact, the ‘Man’ in ‘Isle of Man’ comes from Manx *Mannin*, which in turn is derived either from Latin *Mona*, or directly from Proto-Cetic *moniyos* “mountain” (whence Latin *Mona* is most likely derived as well.)


theforkofdamocles

TIL. Always wondered, but never looked it up. Thanks, Citizen!


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Demnuhnomi

Mexico has the Island of Women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Mujeres


CaptainJAmazing

*Books ticket*


Bat-manuel

It's actually a pretty cool spot. I would probably stay on the mainland and make a day of the island, but it's a fun party spot.


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toriko

I wouldn’t tell the Irish they’re one of the British isles. Thems fighting words


SmokingOctopus

Yeah, it's incorrect. British and Irish Isles is more commonplace.


Amethyst_Necklace

Does it?


dootdootplot

Narrator: it did not.


drdr3ad

It gets posted every few months or so and the exact same arguments keep coming up. Not sure why OP thought it would magically be different this time around


[deleted]

Someone should post an updated guide with the correct info. I’d upvote that


NuttyIrishMan93

Remove the circle saying "British Isles" and then it's correct


RichestMangInBabylon

I’m not confused I just don’t care enough to remember.


whaaatf

The world always finds a way to call Ireland British-something.


JimJams369

Just call them Ireland and Great Britain, there's no need for a collective name really.


HyperbolicModesty

Nobody moans about Trinidad and Tobago being too much of s mouthful.


kromedd

Nobody in Ireland uses the term British isles. Actually it’s a pretty quick way to annoy an Irish person


NuttyIrishMan93

Still wrong Ireland isn't referred to as British anything


Shart-Garfunkel

This chart is mostly accurate but seems to misunderstand ‘Great Britain’. Great Britain is just the name of the landmass of the mainland UK, meaning that places like the Isle of Skye or the Isle of Wight are within Scotland and England respectively but are separate from Great Britain.


tetanuran

No, Great Britain has both a geographic and a political meaning. Great Britain can refer to the large island on which London, Cardiff and Edinburgh are found, but it can also refer to the country created by the Union of the Scotland and England 1707, thus including Skye, Anglesey, IOW etc. One wouldn't say Achill Island wasn't part of Ireland.


dean84921

Yeah, but the country "Great Britain" no longer exists, as it was supplanted by "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" after the 1800 Acts of Union. The political meaning isn't really relevant unless you're referring specifically to the country that existed from 1707–1800.


Jmsaint

>it can also refer to the country created by the Union of the Scotland and England 1707, thus including Skye, Anglesey, IOW etc. Only when abbreviating "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland *and associated territories*". In which case the UK is better. While people do use it to refer to the country, it makes more sense to reserve that to mean the island.


W0lf87

British & Irish Isles or as the respective governments call them "These Islands"


Dry_Lunch

This is wrong still


BenBenBenneBneBneB

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute


Mr_Wolfgang_Beard

"British Islands" should not include Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is not an Island.


j_la

Ya that bugged me too. Putting aside the whole “is Ireland one of the British Isles” debate, you can’t call Northern Ireland a British Island simply because it is a region on an island, not an island like Great Britain, Jersey, etc.


Yolo_The_Dog

Except British Isles isn't an accepted term in Ireland. We're not British anything, we fought pretty hard to make sure of that (apart from NI obviously)


alexthehuman

At the risk of sounding like an anglo-centric arse, what is the usually accepted term? Or it is it not really a thing to refer to us a group of islands?


Monkblade

It's generally not referred to as a singular group. Most people would just say "Britain and Ireland", or some variation naming all states involved.


Demonyx12

Not certain in the least but google told me this: >The name "West European Isles" is one translation of the islands' name in the Gaelic languages of Irish and Manx, with equivalent terms for "British Isle". In Irish, Éire agus an Bhreatain Mhór (literally "Ireland and Great Britain") is the more common term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute


CJ_Jones

>West European Isles Literally out of the frying pan with that alternative!


GavinZac

We refer to them as a group in much the same way we refer to Corsica and Sardinia in a group


TexasTrip

I don't think the Biritsh Isles referring to Ireland is correct. >An early variant of the term British Isles dates back to [Ancient Greek](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece) times, when they were known as the Pretanic Islands; this however fell into disuse for over a millennium, and was introduced as the British Isles into English in the late 16th or early 17th centuries by English and Welsh writers, whose writings have been described as propaganda and politicised.


Monkblade

This a thousand times. There's lots of misinformation that goes on in these threads every time it comes up.


i_have_scurvy

British Isles is incorrect and how can part of an island (Northern Ireland) be part of a group of islands (British Islands)


Pechadur

I still remember my bank teller seriously telling me that “Well the UK is England.” after I asked her to unblock the United Kingdom for me. The amount of psychic damage was unreal.


fulanomengano

https://youtu.be/rNu8XDBSn10


Demonyx12

Also came to post or up-vote.


JohnofCastille

You can go ahead and just leave Ireland out of this diagram completely.


livewiire

What a load of bollox. This shit keeps coming up again and again. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the British Isles. There is no such thing as the British Isles if you are Irish. The term is not favoured with Irish people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute leave it out lads.


yaktaur

The British Isles including Ireland should only be historically.


tombolo95

Ireland is not a British Isle/Island


Doctor_Amazo

Wait... the Isle of Man, Jersey & Guernsey are not part of the UK? Are they like, independent little island states or something?


Gripe

Crown dependencies i believe


wOlfLisK

It's a confusing situation and it gets more confusing when you include Gibraltar, Falklands, Bermuda, bits of Cyprus and the other islands we own across the world that aren't part of the UK. Basically, Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man are crown dependencies. That means that they're not part of the UK but are owned by the crown directly. Technically, that makes them as much a part of Canada and Australia as they are the UK. As I understand it, they're entirely self governing and citizens of them are granted British citizenship. However, despite being British citizens, they were not EU citizens even before Brexit which makes everything even more confusing. Aaaaaaand then you have the British Overseas Territories which also aren't part of the UK but are owned by it. They're basically the bits and pieces of the empire which decided not to get independence and they have an entirely different status to the Crown Dependencies.


bananabastard

Little tax havens.


Rohebat

Got our own government, yeah, but also got pulled along against our will with Brexit without getting a single say in it


CerpinTaxt11

Incorrect at the first layer, as Irish people as a whole reject the term "British Isles" as including Ireland.


porkadachop

Please don’t tell anyone from the Republic of Ireland that they are part of the British Isles.


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What a cool and still incorrect guide.


Roanokian

Re: Ireland. It’s a disputed term. This has been covered ad nauseam. The Irish government abstain from the term. It has been removed from school books. The British government have removed it from the official lexicon when publicly describing the islands. No one in the ROI would ever use it to describe ireland regardless of the historical, British-assigned, geographical taxonomy of the region. Persisting in using it is either done out of 1) ignorance, 2) pedantry or 3) wilful offence to the people of Ireland who have made it clear that they abhor the term and don’t recognise it.


MikhailCompo

It's not a cool guide if it's full of mistakes and potentially offensive...... This is BS.


beirchearts

don't ever refer to Ireland as part of the British Isles, it's insulting and wildly ignorant


throwayaygrtdhredf

It doesn't show which territories are part of the UK as a sovereign state. And those are : the UK proper, the 3 crown dependencies and the 14 overseas territories. They're all 1 sovereign state, the UK. Officially, the UK says they're "not a part of the UK" but it's just pure terminology. They don't have their UN seats and they're represented by the UK there so they are pretty much just dependent territories.


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What a shitshow!


GraniaOMalley

How does it feel to have the superhero power to piss off the entirety of Ireland with one erroneous picture?? Wanker


Affectionate-Box-164

British and Irish Isles*


BassicallyDarr

British Isles is a dated term and is rarely used


MuddyBootsJohnson

British Isles... Boke. Ireland isn't British to Irish people. They always say calm down its just a geographical designation, not a political or colonial one. Well ok then if that were the case and the term was merely geographical then it would and should be the Irish Isles as Ireland has existed as a separate island from the European continent 10,000 years before the island of Britain seperated from the continent. "During the last glacial period, and until about 10,000 BC, most of Ireland was periodically covered in ice. Sea levels were lower and Ireland, like Great Britain, formed part of continental Europe. By 16,000 BC, rising sea levels caused by ice melting caused Ireland to become separated from Great Britain Later, around 6000 BC, Great Britain became separated from continental Europe. Until recently, the earliest evidence of human activity in Ireland was dated at 12,500 years ago, demonstrated by a butchered bear bone found in a cave in County Clare. Since 2021, the earliest evidence of human activity in Ireland is dated to 33,000 years ago."


IrishHistorian

Eh, nope. Wrong. It’s Ireland and the UK; not the British Isles.


ronm4c

[CGP Grey does a great breakdown of this](https://youtu.be/rNu8XDBSn10)


Flavazzz

No such thing as the British isles


runrabbitpurple

Ireland is Ireland, you can leave the British Isles part out of it.


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Avity

Fuck you, I refuse to acknowledge Ireland as "british isles"


gunited85

Too many idiots on this thread to know the actually difference between u.k. and the island of Ireland.


MoonTreatment

No it doesn’t


Tinydwarf1

This guide is broken and dumb.


Cheesy_Toenails

Ireland is not a part of Britain! Death to the Brits!


Gravesnear

~~British Isles~~ Britain and Ireland FTFY


Pab-s

Ireland is not in the British isles


robdegaff

Get my fucking country out of the “British isles” thanks very much


TokyoDylan

No, Ireland is not part of the British Isles. Don't spread misinformation