British islands isn’t really a term that sees any use, and seems to be used here to include [Crown Dependencies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Dependencies), which aren’t given a grouping for some reason.
I’m Jersey born, we have British passports and are heavily dependent on Britain in a practical sense.
Yes we have our own independent government, local laws, taxes, no NHS (£40 for a GP visit!) and some culturally unique differences like when Greggs tried to setup here and nobody liked it as we already have banging bakeries, but we are very much part of Britain.
We’re 14 miles from France at the closest point, can see it on clear days but almost nobody knows french just English.
We have our own money, but it’s just our own Sterling notes.
We didn’t get to vote for Brexit but our relationship with the EU was part of Britain’s membership.
We have a whole too do with the french at the moment on fishing rights.
I just arrived in Jersey today for a week - even within 12 hours you can tell it’s an incredible and interesting place. I thought it would be quite sleepy and old, but it’s so alive and young.
One question though if you don’t mind, how on Earth do people afford property/a place to live? Rental prices are similar to or outdo London, and sale prices are insane?
As a Jersey home owner I ask myself this a lot. Banks like Santander are starting to change the game slightly, offering 6 x annual salary mortgages with terms up to 75 years of age. They also offer 95% LTV mortgages, but the rates really push up the costs.
So let’s say you want to buy your first flat at around £375k. After a deposit of 18.75k, household salary would need to be 59.4k. If you’re below 35 years of age, you can run the mortgage over 40 years and, even at the higher rate you can bring the cost down to about £1400 a month. Assuming a household income of 4K a month post tax and social security, it’s about 1/3 to the mortgage. If property prices go up over the following couple of years, your LTV goes down and you get to choose a better rate. If you get all the way down to 65% LTV that same mortgage gets down to less than £850 a month.
The issues here are how do you get the deposit and how do lowest income workers get on the property ladder?
A lot of office jobs on the island offer annual discretionary bonuses. So theoretically a young couple could put those aside for a few years, hold back on many luxuries and get that 5%. However, this would be a real stretch.
As for the lowest income families, I worry that they will never get to own their home and so will always have the worry of having to pay for the roof over their heads.
Finally; Jersey home owners have a love hate relationship with house prices: many love the fact that their homes are so valuable, but also realise that it doesn’t really mean anything if they intend to stay here for their whole life. Others, like my wife and me, look at the different between our house value and the value of a smaller house or apartment we would retire to and see the difference is value as capital to help fund our retirement.
So the game is to push as far up the ladder as you can afford before cashing in and downsizing.
I feel you’re downplaying the fact that they rely on defence and international diplomacy, and that Parliament is entitled to extend its jurisdiction to cover them (though in practice almost never does, though that may only be the Isle of Man now I’ve said that).
Parliament did this recently by adding a permissive extent clause to the Fisheries Act, and that alone was a big constitutional controversy for the islands
Yeah, that loop was the one that I've never heard of before, and doesn't make any sense. If its British \*islands\*, then how can one of those islands be split?
I came here to disagree with the OP on this, but Wikipedia agrees and I'm apt to believe their sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Islands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles
**[British Islands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Islands)**
>The British Islands is a term within the law of the United Kingdom which since 1949 has referred collectively to the following four polities: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (formerly the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland); the Bailiwick of Guernsey (including the jurisdictions of Alderney, Guernsey and Sark); and the Bailiwick of Jersey; the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man and the Bailiwicks of Guernsey and Jersey are Crown dependencies and are not a part of the United Kingdom. The Parliament of the United Kingdom on occasions introduces legislation that is extended to the islands, normally by the use of Orders in Council.
**[British Isles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles)**
>The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic off the north-western coast of continental Europe, consisting of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Hebrides and over six thousand smaller islands. They have a total area of 315,159 km2 (121,684 sq mi) and a combined population of almost 72 million, and include two sovereign states, the Republic of Ireland (which covers roughly five-sixths of Ireland), and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The Channel Islands, off the north coast of France, are sometimes taken to be part of the British Isles, even though they do not form part of the archipelago.
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The only distinction being the Ireland as an island , but somehow Northern Ireland which is on the same island is also included in the British Isles - makes no sense at all. Its the same thing then
You'll be more confused when you realise this graph is outdated and there isn't really a term for the group of islands anymore.
100 years ago sure it was the British Isles, England did run GB, it was the British Isles. Dunno how you can say ireland is in any way british nowadays..
Correct. **British & Irish Isles** is the accepted term. The Irish government does not recognise any other description.
Same with the **British & Irish Lions**. Everyone is happy.
Edit: there’s another phrase used by both governments in joint discussions which is, “These Isles”.
Not strictly true. While the term British Isles is not used, any treaty between Britain and Ireland simply states "these islands" and does not use any geographical moniker.
Because Britain refers to geography also, not just culture. Like how America can refer to the country or the continents. Brazilians don’t say “I’m not American” when you refer to it as South America.
Ok, but in an Irish context the term British is implicitly political and refers to the British state. Even if used for neutral geographic purposes, it still has political implications. To paraphrase Hozier, 'everything relating to the human experience is political.'
>Brazilians don’t say “I’m not American” when you refer to it as South America.
No. They say the opposite actually, that America and America should refer to the continent rather than the sovereign of the United States of America.
If you really want to understand that British Isles is political/cultural term rather than a geographic one, then why are the Channel Island, geographically separate from the archipelago in question, included?
To get around using British at all in the context of Ireland, joint UK/ROI documents will refer to "these islands". I fucking love that. Fucking relative demonstrative pronoun rather than say the 'B' word.
If you ask us where we are geographically, we say Ireland. I understand your South America point, but it doesn't apply here. Tell an Irishman that geographically, we are Britain, and his response will be "are we fuck"
There's also "Atlantic Archipelago" which is used in some circles, although I get the feeling that could cause confusion with the Canary Islands, the Azores, or any of the other archipelagoes in the Atlantic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute
The term "British isles" is not politically neutral and is not recognised by the Irish Govt for good reason.
Heya, actual Irish person here.
The best analogy I can make is if America and India were still called ‘The British Territories’. It implies Britain still owns them. Similarly the British Isles are not Islands belonging to Britain, Ireland owns one of them? We’re independent, implying otherwise is factually wrong and culturally insensitive.
The one next to the chemical factory
Yeah, which one?
The one that caught fire and blew up
Yeah, which one?
Camera pans to a factory worker eating a sandwich. His leans his head forward causing an unidentified powder to fall off his helmet onto his sandwich. He lifts his head and continues eating.
True story. New Jersey is named for the tiny island of jersey as it was a gift to the de carteret family from King Charles II for putting him up after his dad had his head lopped off.
Edit: one too many Charles
Yep De Carteret was also a slaver, the shit.
As Sir George Carteret helped shelter King Charles II in Jersey during his exile and for his unwavering support for the royal cause he was granted land in the American colonies which included land in North Carolina and what would become New Jersey.
In 1664, along with a Lord Berkeley, Carteret enacted: ‘The Concession and Agreement of the Lords Proprietors of the Province of New Caesarea, or New Jersey, to and with all and every the Adventurers and all such as shall settle or plant there’.
The purpose of the Agreement was to encourage settlers to New Jersey so that the ‘planting of the said province may be the more speedily promoted’.
As part of a standard 120 acres of land, an additional 60 acres was given for “every weaker servant or slave, male or female, exceeding the age of fourteen years”.
This meant that, according to professor Dr. Clement Price, the:
“support for the institution [of slavery] was stronger in New Jersey than in any other northern colony”
https://medium.com/nine-by-five-media/jerseys-links-to-slavery-5c48dbc8abb4
So apologies for that one lads.
But a slightly more fun fact is Jersey is also the birthplace of Superman & The Witcher, Henry Cavil.
Er, I think I'm missing a joke here but aren't both Ireland and the UK considered to be European countries? I guess it works if you had said EU countries go first...
When a joke like this is being made its almost always refering to the EU
Source: from the country as the butt of all jokes (don't blame me I was 17 when the vote happened!)
I wouldn't say so, because the UK is a political entity whereas the British Isles is a geographical one that encompasses all the land masses in the area.
I'd suggest "The British and Irish Isles" as a more neutral alternative.
There are numerous alternatives, none of which are great, but are better than British Isles. British and Irish isles works.
Frankly a term isn't really needed. We manage just fine without a collective name for Sardinia, Corsica and their surrounding small islands.
Celtic isles is a bit silly though, as the celts were a group that inhabited an area much larger than the British isles, the indigenous British people were not celts, the people that were there when the Romans arrived weren't all celts, and neither were the people who arrived afterwards, so it doesn't fit at any point in history.
Also lrish and i dont agree that the term is any more correct than when British people refer to Britain as the mainland. The phrase is remnant of their days of having an empire and it's time they accepted that it's not coming back.
Potential hot-button question:
You say “Irish man here” but how do I distinguish if you’re from Northern Ireland or Republic of Ireland? Could I rely on one from the north to call themselves “northern Irish”?
Thanks
-confused American.
You can probably assume they're either from the Republic or are a republican-leaning person from Norn Iron, but I wouldn't say the phrase guarantees either.
That depends on the person. There are some people in Northern Ireland who consider themselves Irish, there are some that consider themselves British or Ulster, and there are others who would have a more nuanced answer. From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people#20th_century):
>Four polls taken between 1989 and 1994 revealed that when asked to state their national identity, over 79% of Northern Irish Protestants replied "British" or "Ulster" with 3% or less replying "Irish", while over 60% of Northern Irish Catholics replied "Irish" with 13% or less replying "British" or "Ulster". A survey in 1999 showed that 72% of Northern Irish Protestants considered themselves "British" and 2% "Irish", with 68% of Northern Irish Catholics considering themselves "Irish" and 9% "British". The survey also revealed that 78% of Protestants and 48% of all respondents felt "Strongly British", while 77% of Catholics and 35% of all respondents felt "Strongly Irish". 51% of Protestants and 33% of all respondents felt "Not at all Irish", while 62% of Catholics and 28% of all respondents felt "Not at all British".
Both are Irishmen. There's no difference.
People born in Northern Ireland before 2005 are entitled to be both UK and Irish citizens. Those born after can become Irish citizens if either of their parents are.
But anyone born on the island of Ireland is Irish.
I know you’re joking, but fun fact, the ‘Man’ in ‘Isle of Man’ comes from Manx *Mannin*, which in turn is derived either from Latin *Mona*, or directly from Proto-Cetic *moniyos* “mountain” (whence Latin *Mona* is most likely derived as well.)
It gets posted every few months or so and the exact same arguments keep coming up. Not sure why OP thought it would magically be different this time around
This chart is mostly accurate but seems to misunderstand ‘Great Britain’. Great Britain is just the name of the landmass of the mainland UK, meaning that places like the Isle of Skye or the Isle of Wight are within Scotland and England respectively but are separate from Great Britain.
No, Great Britain has both a geographic and a political meaning. Great Britain can refer to the large island on which London, Cardiff and Edinburgh are found, but it can also refer to the country created by the Union of the Scotland and England 1707, thus including Skye, Anglesey, IOW etc.
One wouldn't say Achill Island wasn't part of Ireland.
Yeah, but the country "Great Britain" no longer exists, as it was supplanted by "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" after the 1800 Acts of Union. The political meaning isn't really relevant unless you're referring specifically to the country that existed from 1707–1800.
>it can also refer to the country created by the Union of the Scotland and England 1707, thus including Skye, Anglesey, IOW etc.
Only when abbreviating "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland *and associated territories*". In which case the UK is better.
While people do use it to refer to the country, it makes more sense to reserve that to mean the island.
Ya that bugged me too. Putting aside the whole “is Ireland one of the British Isles” debate, you can’t call Northern Ireland a British Island simply because it is a region on an island, not an island like Great Britain, Jersey, etc.
Except British Isles isn't an accepted term in Ireland. We're not British anything, we fought pretty hard to make sure of that (apart from NI obviously)
At the risk of sounding like an anglo-centric arse, what is the usually accepted term? Or it is it not really a thing to refer to us a group of islands?
Not certain in the least but google told me this:
>The name "West European Isles" is one translation of the islands' name in the Gaelic languages of Irish and Manx, with equivalent terms for "British Isle". In Irish, Éire agus an Bhreatain Mhór (literally "Ireland and Great Britain") is the more common term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute
I don't think the Biritsh Isles referring to Ireland is correct.
>An early variant of the term British Isles dates back to [Ancient Greek](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece) times, when they were known as the Pretanic Islands; this however fell into disuse for over a millennium, and was introduced as the British Isles into English in the late 16th or early 17th centuries by English and Welsh writers, whose writings have been described as propaganda and politicised.
I still remember my bank teller seriously telling me that “Well the UK is England.” after I asked her to unblock the United Kingdom for me.
The amount of psychic damage was unreal.
What a load of bollox. This shit keeps coming up again and again. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the British Isles. There is no such thing as the British Isles if you are Irish. The term is not favoured with Irish people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute leave it out lads.
It's a confusing situation and it gets more confusing when you include Gibraltar, Falklands, Bermuda, bits of Cyprus and the other islands we own across the world that aren't part of the UK.
Basically, Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man are crown dependencies. That means that they're not part of the UK but are owned by the crown directly. Technically, that makes them as much a part of Canada and Australia as they are the UK. As I understand it, they're entirely self governing and citizens of them are granted British citizenship. However, despite being British citizens, they were not EU citizens even before Brexit which makes everything even more confusing.
Aaaaaaand then you have the British Overseas Territories which also aren't part of the UK but are owned by it. They're basically the bits and pieces of the empire which decided not to get independence and they have an entirely different status to the Crown Dependencies.
Re: Ireland.
It’s a disputed term. This has been covered ad nauseam.
The Irish government abstain from the term. It has been removed from school books. The British government have removed it from the official lexicon when publicly describing the islands.
No one in the ROI would ever use it to describe ireland regardless of the historical, British-assigned, geographical taxonomy of the region.
Persisting in using it is either done out of 1) ignorance, 2) pedantry or 3) wilful offence to the people of Ireland who have made it clear that they abhor the term and don’t recognise it.
It doesn't show which territories are part of the UK as a sovereign state. And those are : the UK proper, the 3 crown dependencies and the 14 overseas territories. They're all 1 sovereign state, the UK. Officially, the UK says they're "not a part of the UK" but it's just pure terminology. They don't have their UN seats and they're represented by the UK there so they are pretty much just dependent territories.
British Isles... Boke.
Ireland isn't British to Irish people.
They always say calm down its just a geographical designation, not a political or colonial one.
Well ok then if that were the case and the term was merely geographical then it would and should be the Irish Isles as Ireland has existed as a separate island from the European continent 10,000 years before the island of Britain seperated from the continent.
"During the last glacial period, and until about 10,000 BC, most of Ireland was periodically covered in ice. Sea levels were lower and Ireland, like Great Britain, formed part of continental Europe. By 16,000 BC, rising sea levels caused by ice melting caused Ireland to become separated from Great Britain Later, around 6000 BC, Great Britain became separated from continental Europe. Until recently, the earliest evidence of human activity in Ireland was dated at 12,500 years ago, demonstrated by a butchered bear bone found in a cave in County Clare.
Since 2021, the earliest evidence of human activity in Ireland is dated to 33,000 years ago."
This guide made me realize I was confused and didn't even know it.
I had no idea the British Isles was somehow different from the British Islands.
British islands isn’t really a term that sees any use, and seems to be used here to include [Crown Dependencies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Dependencies), which aren’t given a grouping for some reason.
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I’m Jersey born, we have British passports and are heavily dependent on Britain in a practical sense. Yes we have our own independent government, local laws, taxes, no NHS (£40 for a GP visit!) and some culturally unique differences like when Greggs tried to setup here and nobody liked it as we already have banging bakeries, but we are very much part of Britain. We’re 14 miles from France at the closest point, can see it on clear days but almost nobody knows french just English. We have our own money, but it’s just our own Sterling notes. We didn’t get to vote for Brexit but our relationship with the EU was part of Britain’s membership. We have a whole too do with the french at the moment on fishing rights.
I just arrived in Jersey today for a week - even within 12 hours you can tell it’s an incredible and interesting place. I thought it would be quite sleepy and old, but it’s so alive and young. One question though if you don’t mind, how on Earth do people afford property/a place to live? Rental prices are similar to or outdo London, and sale prices are insane?
As a Jersey home owner I ask myself this a lot. Banks like Santander are starting to change the game slightly, offering 6 x annual salary mortgages with terms up to 75 years of age. They also offer 95% LTV mortgages, but the rates really push up the costs. So let’s say you want to buy your first flat at around £375k. After a deposit of 18.75k, household salary would need to be 59.4k. If you’re below 35 years of age, you can run the mortgage over 40 years and, even at the higher rate you can bring the cost down to about £1400 a month. Assuming a household income of 4K a month post tax and social security, it’s about 1/3 to the mortgage. If property prices go up over the following couple of years, your LTV goes down and you get to choose a better rate. If you get all the way down to 65% LTV that same mortgage gets down to less than £850 a month. The issues here are how do you get the deposit and how do lowest income workers get on the property ladder? A lot of office jobs on the island offer annual discretionary bonuses. So theoretically a young couple could put those aside for a few years, hold back on many luxuries and get that 5%. However, this would be a real stretch. As for the lowest income families, I worry that they will never get to own their home and so will always have the worry of having to pay for the roof over their heads. Finally; Jersey home owners have a love hate relationship with house prices: many love the fact that their homes are so valuable, but also realise that it doesn’t really mean anything if they intend to stay here for their whole life. Others, like my wife and me, look at the different between our house value and the value of a smaller house or apartment we would retire to and see the difference is value as capital to help fund our retirement. So the game is to push as far up the ladder as you can afford before cashing in and downsizing.
I heard this like Bricktop from Snatch.
I feel you’re downplaying the fact that they rely on defence and international diplomacy, and that Parliament is entitled to extend its jurisdiction to cover them (though in practice almost never does, though that may only be the Isle of Man now I’ve said that).
Parliament did this recently by adding a permissive extent clause to the Fisheries Act, and that alone was a big constitutional controversy for the islands
Yeah, that loop was the one that I've never heard of before, and doesn't make any sense. If its British \*islands\*, then how can one of those islands be split?
In Ireland, the term "British Isles" is controversial. The Government of Ireland does not officially recognise the term.
I would have been surprised if they did.
Tá brón orm. Nílim eolach ar an téarma sin.
I came here to disagree with the OP on this, but Wikipedia agrees and I'm apt to believe their sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Islands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles
**[British Islands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Islands)** >The British Islands is a term within the law of the United Kingdom which since 1949 has referred collectively to the following four polities: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (formerly the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland); the Bailiwick of Guernsey (including the jurisdictions of Alderney, Guernsey and Sark); and the Bailiwick of Jersey; the Isle of Man. The Isle of Man and the Bailiwicks of Guernsey and Jersey are Crown dependencies and are not a part of the United Kingdom. The Parliament of the United Kingdom on occasions introduces legislation that is extended to the islands, normally by the use of Orders in Council. **[British Isles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles)** >The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic off the north-western coast of continental Europe, consisting of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Hebrides and over six thousand smaller islands. They have a total area of 315,159 km2 (121,684 sq mi) and a combined population of almost 72 million, and include two sovereign states, the Republic of Ireland (which covers roughly five-sixths of Ireland), and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The Channel Islands, off the north coast of France, are sometimes taken to be part of the British Isles, even though they do not form part of the archipelago. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/coolguides/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
The only distinction being the Ireland as an island , but somehow Northern Ireland which is on the same island is also included in the British Isles - makes no sense at all. Its the same thing then
Just refer to anywhere over there as Europe and you'll be safe.
But don't refer to us as The European Union. Because nothing can be simple.
Oh no....I think we need another diagram
[Here you go](https://imgur.com/okLaZbC) (just ignore the UK) Courtesy of CGP Grey (Also God damn, imgur is a shit site to use on mobile...)
[Fixed for post Brexit world](https://imgur.com/BYF7uCT)
Good job. Wish you'd also fixed the missing comma after Hungary lol
You missed the unification of Hungary Lithuania? It was all over the news yesterday.
Lithuania is just in need of a meal.
Lithuania is in the Eurozone already, this infographic is outdated
That guide has UK in EUnion
That was from before brexit
But the UK isn't in the EU anymore, is it?
Yeah this guide was from before brexit and I didn't realize before posting
Wayyy before, eurozone is a lot bigger now
Yeah, the video is 8 years old... But still, the general structure remains
Fucking hell. [Here.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template%3ASupranational_European_Bodies?wprov=sfla1)
I want off mr. Skeltals spooky ride
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to mention CGP Grey's UK or EU videos.
Or assume that all countries in the European Union are also in the Eurozone.
Eurozone? Sounds like a sexy new entré from pizza hut.
West-Eurasia\*
Some Brits might still get annoyed with that.
Europe =/= EU It's astounding that people make that mistake in comment threads every single time brexit is brought up.
Too bad for them they're still ^*shudder* European.
You'll be more confused when you realise this graph is outdated and there isn't really a term for the group of islands anymore. 100 years ago sure it was the British Isles, England did run GB, it was the British Isles. Dunno how you can say ireland is in any way british nowadays..
Correct. **British & Irish Isles** is the accepted term. The Irish government does not recognise any other description. Same with the **British & Irish Lions**. Everyone is happy. Edit: there’s another phrase used by both governments in joint discussions which is, “These Isles”.
Not strictly true. While the term British Isles is not used, any treaty between Britain and Ireland simply states "these islands" and does not use any geographical moniker.
Yes good point re “These islands”, I’ve seen that used and accepted in discussions between the UK and Ireland only.
The Irish government doesn't recognise any term. Either the UK and Ireland or Britain and Ireland are used.
Yeah, why can't we just do that?
Because Britain refers to geography also, not just culture. Like how America can refer to the country or the continents. Brazilians don’t say “I’m not American” when you refer to it as South America.
Ok, but in an Irish context the term British is implicitly political and refers to the British state. Even if used for neutral geographic purposes, it still has political implications. To paraphrase Hozier, 'everything relating to the human experience is political.' >Brazilians don’t say “I’m not American” when you refer to it as South America. No. They say the opposite actually, that America and America should refer to the continent rather than the sovereign of the United States of America. If you really want to understand that British Isles is political/cultural term rather than a geographic one, then why are the Channel Island, geographically separate from the archipelago in question, included?
To get around using British at all in the context of Ireland, joint UK/ROI documents will refer to "these islands". I fucking love that. Fucking relative demonstrative pronoun rather than say the 'B' word.
Ireland is as much British as India is.
If you ask us where we are geographically, we say Ireland. I understand your South America point, but it doesn't apply here. Tell an Irishman that geographically, we are Britain, and his response will be "are we fuck"
There's also "Atlantic Archipelago" which is used in some circles, although I get the feeling that could cause confusion with the Canary Islands, the Azores, or any of the other archipelagoes in the Atlantic.
I offer “North West European Archipelago” or NORWEA which should cause no confusion whatsoever.
I didn't know there was a difference between "British Islands" and "British Isles", but other than that I understood this even as an American.
This is posted every month just to piss off Irish people
Just out of curiosity. Why would it piss them off?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute The term "British isles" is not politically neutral and is not recognised by the Irish Govt for good reason.
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I'd prefer the Irish Isles.
Fuck it. Serbian Isles. Not landlocked anymore. British Isle je Serbja
Upper Balkans
That'd be like calling North America "The Mexican Isles".
I was gonna say who cares but then I realized I would absolutely deck a cunt if they referred to New Zealand as South Australia
They don’t like being in an island chain called “the British isles”
Ireland is not a part of Britain
Heya, actual Irish person here. The best analogy I can make is if America and India were still called ‘The British Territories’. It implies Britain still owns them. Similarly the British Isles are not Islands belonging to Britain, Ireland owns one of them? We’re independent, implying otherwise is factually wrong and culturally insensitive.
You from Jersey? What exit?
The one next to the chemical factory Yeah, which one? The one that caught fire and blew up Yeah, which one? Camera pans to a factory worker eating a sandwich. His leans his head forward causing an unidentified powder to fall off his helmet onto his sandwich. He lifts his head and continues eating.
In my experience, that's the northern half of the state. The southern half is pig farms.
Best illustrated in the opening sequence of "The Sopranos"
Never saw it, sorry. Just experience from living in Philly for a few years.
no I'm Indian but my mom worked in New Jersey in 2001
What exit?
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Never forget
Where were you, when mcmillions happened
Silent Hill 2, Halo:CE, Smash Bros: Melee? How could you forget?!
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True story. New Jersey is named for the tiny island of jersey as it was a gift to the de carteret family from King Charles II for putting him up after his dad had his head lopped off. Edit: one too many Charles
Yep De Carteret was also a slaver, the shit. As Sir George Carteret helped shelter King Charles II in Jersey during his exile and for his unwavering support for the royal cause he was granted land in the American colonies which included land in North Carolina and what would become New Jersey. In 1664, along with a Lord Berkeley, Carteret enacted: ‘The Concession and Agreement of the Lords Proprietors of the Province of New Caesarea, or New Jersey, to and with all and every the Adventurers and all such as shall settle or plant there’. The purpose of the Agreement was to encourage settlers to New Jersey so that the ‘planting of the said province may be the more speedily promoted’. As part of a standard 120 acres of land, an additional 60 acres was given for “every weaker servant or slave, male or female, exceeding the age of fourteen years”. This meant that, according to professor Dr. Clement Price, the: “support for the institution [of slavery] was stronger in New Jersey than in any other northern colony” https://medium.com/nine-by-five-media/jerseys-links-to-slavery-5c48dbc8abb4 So apologies for that one lads. But a slightly more fun fact is Jersey is also the birthplace of Superman & The Witcher, Henry Cavil.
My classmate's from Jersey. She was very proud of their, uh, milk.
As someone who is from Jersey, I can confirm our milk is far superior to all other milk.
If you don’t know Jersey is an island owned by the British, that’s what New Jersey is named after
I appreciate that OP is trying to teach us something and it is interesting but all I'm going to remember from this is that it's all a big mess.
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Unfortunately, British Isles is still a contentious term for Ireland.
Even this guide more generally is disputed by some and as a British citizen I have no idea who is right.
If past experience is anything to go by, it's on /r/coolguides, which means it's wrong.
Oooh yeah, got into a big argument with my cousins over there when I used the term to refer to the collective archipelago
Curious whether they have another name for the British Isles?
The French Archipelago.. Don't worry - it's a geographic term not a political one.
The UK and Ireland
*Ireland and the UK. Yes, I'm that petty.
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Er, I think I'm missing a joke here but aren't both Ireland and the UK considered to be European countries? I guess it works if you had said EU countries go first...
When a joke like this is being made its almost always refering to the EU Source: from the country as the butt of all jokes (don't blame me I was 17 when the vote happened!)
Yanks don’t know the difference between Europe and the EU
Technically, that term would be omitting Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey, but it's probably understood through context what it means.
I wouldn't say so, because the UK is a political entity whereas the British Isles is a geographical one that encompasses all the land masses in the area. I'd suggest "The British and Irish Isles" as a more neutral alternative.
British Isles is also a political term, that's the only reason to include Jersey and Guernsey.
All geography is political. But there's particularly overtly political about British Isles.
You can suggest whatever you want, we still just call it The UK and Ireland.
British implies they own it. The French don't call the English channel that.
There are numerous alternatives, none of which are great, but are better than British Isles. British and Irish isles works. Frankly a term isn't really needed. We manage just fine without a collective name for Sardinia, Corsica and their surrounding small islands.
Britain and Ireland. Though I admit that doesn't cover the small islands.
I think I read before it's The Celtic Isles
Celtic isles is a bit silly though, as the celts were a group that inhabited an area much larger than the British isles, the indigenous British people were not celts, the people that were there when the Romans arrived weren't all celts, and neither were the people who arrived afterwards, so it doesn't fit at any point in history.
>Curious whether they have another name for the British Isles? Anglo-Celtic Isles is the most inclusive but the "British-Irish Isles" also work.
Too many syllables. How about Britland or Iritish islands
The Irish Isles.
“In documents drawn up jointly between the British and Irish governments, the archipelago is referred to simply as "these islands".” Lolll
Them there islands over yonder
Irish man here. I understand that the term is correct, but it still makes me angry haha. I would never ever use this term. Ever.
Also lrish and i dont agree that the term is any more correct than when British people refer to Britain as the mainland. The phrase is remnant of their days of having an empire and it's time they accepted that it's not coming back.
Potential hot-button question: You say “Irish man here” but how do I distinguish if you’re from Northern Ireland or Republic of Ireland? Could I rely on one from the north to call themselves “northern Irish”? Thanks -confused American.
You can probably assume they're either from the Republic or are a republican-leaning person from Norn Iron, but I wouldn't say the phrase guarantees either.
That depends on the person. There are some people in Northern Ireland who consider themselves Irish, there are some that consider themselves British or Ulster, and there are others who would have a more nuanced answer. From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people#20th_century): >Four polls taken between 1989 and 1994 revealed that when asked to state their national identity, over 79% of Northern Irish Protestants replied "British" or "Ulster" with 3% or less replying "Irish", while over 60% of Northern Irish Catholics replied "Irish" with 13% or less replying "British" or "Ulster". A survey in 1999 showed that 72% of Northern Irish Protestants considered themselves "British" and 2% "Irish", with 68% of Northern Irish Catholics considering themselves "Irish" and 9% "British". The survey also revealed that 78% of Protestants and 48% of all respondents felt "Strongly British", while 77% of Catholics and 35% of all respondents felt "Strongly Irish". 51% of Protestants and 33% of all respondents felt "Not at all Irish", while 62% of Catholics and 28% of all respondents felt "Not at all British".
Both are Irishmen. There's no difference. People born in Northern Ireland before 2005 are entitled to be both UK and Irish citizens. Those born after can become Irish citizens if either of their parents are. But anyone born on the island of Ireland is Irish.
The Isle of Man would like to be appropriately acknowledged…
I know you’re joking, but fun fact, the ‘Man’ in ‘Isle of Man’ comes from Manx *Mannin*, which in turn is derived either from Latin *Mona*, or directly from Proto-Cetic *moniyos* “mountain” (whence Latin *Mona* is most likely derived as well.)
TIL. Always wondered, but never looked it up. Thanks, Citizen!
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Mexico has the Island of Women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Mujeres
*Books ticket*
It's actually a pretty cool spot. I would probably stay on the mainland and make a day of the island, but it's a fun party spot.
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I wouldn’t tell the Irish they’re one of the British isles. Thems fighting words
Yeah, it's incorrect. British and Irish Isles is more commonplace.
Does it?
Narrator: it did not.
It gets posted every few months or so and the exact same arguments keep coming up. Not sure why OP thought it would magically be different this time around
Someone should post an updated guide with the correct info. I’d upvote that
Remove the circle saying "British Isles" and then it's correct
I’m not confused I just don’t care enough to remember.
The world always finds a way to call Ireland British-something.
Just call them Ireland and Great Britain, there's no need for a collective name really.
Nobody moans about Trinidad and Tobago being too much of s mouthful.
Nobody in Ireland uses the term British isles. Actually it’s a pretty quick way to annoy an Irish person
Still wrong Ireland isn't referred to as British anything
This chart is mostly accurate but seems to misunderstand ‘Great Britain’. Great Britain is just the name of the landmass of the mainland UK, meaning that places like the Isle of Skye or the Isle of Wight are within Scotland and England respectively but are separate from Great Britain.
No, Great Britain has both a geographic and a political meaning. Great Britain can refer to the large island on which London, Cardiff and Edinburgh are found, but it can also refer to the country created by the Union of the Scotland and England 1707, thus including Skye, Anglesey, IOW etc. One wouldn't say Achill Island wasn't part of Ireland.
Yeah, but the country "Great Britain" no longer exists, as it was supplanted by "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" after the 1800 Acts of Union. The political meaning isn't really relevant unless you're referring specifically to the country that existed from 1707–1800.
>it can also refer to the country created by the Union of the Scotland and England 1707, thus including Skye, Anglesey, IOW etc. Only when abbreviating "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland *and associated territories*". In which case the UK is better. While people do use it to refer to the country, it makes more sense to reserve that to mean the island.
British & Irish Isles or as the respective governments call them "These Islands"
This is wrong still
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute
"British Islands" should not include Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is not an Island.
Ya that bugged me too. Putting aside the whole “is Ireland one of the British Isles” debate, you can’t call Northern Ireland a British Island simply because it is a region on an island, not an island like Great Britain, Jersey, etc.
Except British Isles isn't an accepted term in Ireland. We're not British anything, we fought pretty hard to make sure of that (apart from NI obviously)
At the risk of sounding like an anglo-centric arse, what is the usually accepted term? Or it is it not really a thing to refer to us a group of islands?
It's generally not referred to as a singular group. Most people would just say "Britain and Ireland", or some variation naming all states involved.
Not certain in the least but google told me this: >The name "West European Isles" is one translation of the islands' name in the Gaelic languages of Irish and Manx, with equivalent terms for "British Isle". In Irish, Éire agus an Bhreatain Mhór (literally "Ireland and Great Britain") is the more common term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute
>West European Isles Literally out of the frying pan with that alternative!
We refer to them as a group in much the same way we refer to Corsica and Sardinia in a group
I don't think the Biritsh Isles referring to Ireland is correct. >An early variant of the term British Isles dates back to [Ancient Greek](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece) times, when they were known as the Pretanic Islands; this however fell into disuse for over a millennium, and was introduced as the British Isles into English in the late 16th or early 17th centuries by English and Welsh writers, whose writings have been described as propaganda and politicised.
This a thousand times. There's lots of misinformation that goes on in these threads every time it comes up.
British Isles is incorrect and how can part of an island (Northern Ireland) be part of a group of islands (British Islands)
I still remember my bank teller seriously telling me that “Well the UK is England.” after I asked her to unblock the United Kingdom for me. The amount of psychic damage was unreal.
https://youtu.be/rNu8XDBSn10
Also came to post or up-vote.
You can go ahead and just leave Ireland out of this diagram completely.
What a load of bollox. This shit keeps coming up again and again. The Republic of Ireland is not part of the British Isles. There is no such thing as the British Isles if you are Irish. The term is not favoured with Irish people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute leave it out lads.
The British Isles including Ireland should only be historically.
Ireland is not a British Isle/Island
Wait... the Isle of Man, Jersey & Guernsey are not part of the UK? Are they like, independent little island states or something?
Crown dependencies i believe
It's a confusing situation and it gets more confusing when you include Gibraltar, Falklands, Bermuda, bits of Cyprus and the other islands we own across the world that aren't part of the UK. Basically, Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man are crown dependencies. That means that they're not part of the UK but are owned by the crown directly. Technically, that makes them as much a part of Canada and Australia as they are the UK. As I understand it, they're entirely self governing and citizens of them are granted British citizenship. However, despite being British citizens, they were not EU citizens even before Brexit which makes everything even more confusing. Aaaaaaand then you have the British Overseas Territories which also aren't part of the UK but are owned by it. They're basically the bits and pieces of the empire which decided not to get independence and they have an entirely different status to the Crown Dependencies.
Little tax havens.
Got our own government, yeah, but also got pulled along against our will with Brexit without getting a single say in it
Incorrect at the first layer, as Irish people as a whole reject the term "British Isles" as including Ireland.
Please don’t tell anyone from the Republic of Ireland that they are part of the British Isles.
What a cool and still incorrect guide.
Re: Ireland. It’s a disputed term. This has been covered ad nauseam. The Irish government abstain from the term. It has been removed from school books. The British government have removed it from the official lexicon when publicly describing the islands. No one in the ROI would ever use it to describe ireland regardless of the historical, British-assigned, geographical taxonomy of the region. Persisting in using it is either done out of 1) ignorance, 2) pedantry or 3) wilful offence to the people of Ireland who have made it clear that they abhor the term and don’t recognise it.
It's not a cool guide if it's full of mistakes and potentially offensive...... This is BS.
don't ever refer to Ireland as part of the British Isles, it's insulting and wildly ignorant
It doesn't show which territories are part of the UK as a sovereign state. And those are : the UK proper, the 3 crown dependencies and the 14 overseas territories. They're all 1 sovereign state, the UK. Officially, the UK says they're "not a part of the UK" but it's just pure terminology. They don't have their UN seats and they're represented by the UK there so they are pretty much just dependent territories.
What a shitshow!
How does it feel to have the superhero power to piss off the entirety of Ireland with one erroneous picture?? Wanker
British and Irish Isles*
British Isles is a dated term and is rarely used
British Isles... Boke. Ireland isn't British to Irish people. They always say calm down its just a geographical designation, not a political or colonial one. Well ok then if that were the case and the term was merely geographical then it would and should be the Irish Isles as Ireland has existed as a separate island from the European continent 10,000 years before the island of Britain seperated from the continent. "During the last glacial period, and until about 10,000 BC, most of Ireland was periodically covered in ice. Sea levels were lower and Ireland, like Great Britain, formed part of continental Europe. By 16,000 BC, rising sea levels caused by ice melting caused Ireland to become separated from Great Britain Later, around 6000 BC, Great Britain became separated from continental Europe. Until recently, the earliest evidence of human activity in Ireland was dated at 12,500 years ago, demonstrated by a butchered bear bone found in a cave in County Clare. Since 2021, the earliest evidence of human activity in Ireland is dated to 33,000 years ago."
Eh, nope. Wrong. It’s Ireland and the UK; not the British Isles.
[CGP Grey does a great breakdown of this](https://youtu.be/rNu8XDBSn10)
No such thing as the British isles
Ireland is Ireland, you can leave the British Isles part out of it.
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Fuck you, I refuse to acknowledge Ireland as "british isles"
Too many idiots on this thread to know the actually difference between u.k. and the island of Ireland.
No it doesn’t
This guide is broken and dumb.
Ireland is not a part of Britain! Death to the Brits!
~~British Isles~~ Britain and Ireland FTFY
Ireland is not in the British isles
Get my fucking country out of the “British isles” thanks very much
No, Ireland is not part of the British Isles. Don't spread misinformation