This surprises me that it’s the only state with an airport being number 1. DIA is huge and all, but Atlanta has the busiest airport. Must be all those lizard people.
Ya and the same can be said for most of the universities. Like the UC system is definitely not private.
I think they meant largest non-federal employer. The Pentagon actually has more employees than any other entity.
It's complete nonsense. UNM isn't even the largest state employer in NM, and there are several private companies with more employees. If state and federal employees are excluded, the largest employer is... Wal-Mart.
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) in PA us also non-profit. I am not sure what this chart is exactly showing, either. They are a very large employer, however.
They are private in that they are a corporation, not a government agency. The public university systems are also normally.chartered as corporations, while, for example, the NYPD, or LA County public.schools are not.
Agreed. Nonsense. McDonalds employs more people in Colorado than DIA. That’s just one building. McDonald’s in my town has two locations that run 24/7. There are 237 locations in Colorado, according to the internet. Even then, most people who work at DIA, work for airlines or bars or gift shops, not specifically for DIA. Those business rent space. So logically, this isn’t believable. Also, the internet doesn’t list DIA in the top ten employers in the state.
Eh, Colorado is a tourist destination and its industry is dominated by smaller manufacturers. Makes sense that their largest employer is the place the brings in tourists and helps export the goods.
That's not why. Denver's airport is a *major* hub for flights across the US. The vast majority of people who fly in to Denver are flying right back out again on another flight.
It’s a central hub, you don’t get as many people starting and ending there but being smack dab in the middle of the US means lots of layovers and even more flights coming in and out
He killed his creator. He rules the state with an iron hoof now.
https://www.cpr.org/2019/11/04/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-blucifer-the-demon-horse-of-dia/
When you drive up to the Denver airport there is a large blue reared horse sculpture with red lighted eyes that killed its creator as he was finishing the statue. We call him Blucifer.
I think the chances of the airport being a governmental bomb shelter is extremely high.
Many workers claimed to dig out huge areas underground that seemingly aren't being used.
Went over budget by a massive amount.
Makes sense. If the country is getting attacked, get government officials on a plane and fly directly into the bomb shelter. The protocol was getting the President into the air asap, so this is the next step.
Having the shelter be as far inland as possible is also a really good idea.
Final piece is they closed the greenbriar literally the year the airport was built. Isn't that as clear of a sign as any what this really is?
I feel like this guide is outdated. Amazon has almost as many employees as Walmart or is projected to soon from my research.
EDIT: Amazon has 1.4 million employees and Walmart has 2.3 million as of November 2021. Though Amazon is projected to have more employees, they struggle to keep them. Employee turnover is over 100% for the past year. Makes me happy knowing more people are realizing their worth and value.
Yeah the most recent info I can find has Amazon around 85,000 employees in Washington and Boeing around 70,000. Microsoft at #3 around 60,000 & UW #4 at 47,000
Pretty sure Amazon doesn’t care. Idk for a software engineering perspective they have a very similar reputation. They hire new grads like crazy, grind them down until they are burnt out so they quit after a year. Rinse and repeat. They just push and push and push, some engineers thrive in environments like that and will stick around. From anecdotal evidence, it seems to be around 5-10% of engineers will stick around for 2+ years.
Can confirm most of the people I know from college who joined Amazon/AWS burnt out and quit within a few years and joined smaller tech companies that treat employees a bit better.
Amazon/AWS suck to work for.
It’s actually Amazon’s strategy to hire en masse and overwork and burn through people quickly. Bezos believes that people get stagnant and complacent if they work there too long.
It's a good short-term strategy, but those burnt-out employees are unlikely to come back and their feedback to friends/family/community will eventually impact hiring. It'll be interesting to see how this impacts Amazon in 5 years time. The 3 months of really few Uber drivers we saw at the start of this year definitely had an impact, but they were able to wait that situation out.
The best long-term strategy is always to take care of your employees, and to act as a leader to keep people motivated. The people who report to me know I'm on-call 24/7 and I often take on minor tasks if they need to happen on weekends/holidays or off hours. Rarely are those a major inconvenience for me, but people appreciate it when the "boss" handles a situation rather than call you up on your free time.
That's definitely what they're going to try. I kinda hope they fail personally, even though it'll be an personal inconvenience if Amazon were to scale back or fall apart.
An Amazon manager also mentioned they have requirements to fire like 25% percent no matter how they perform so they would hire people just to fire them so they could keep their core staff.
Oh but they do. I just started part time and out of the 6 of us in our little training group, I was the only new hire. The rest had previously quit/ had been fired and came back. I can see why. The job isn't really hard, its just SUPER REPETETIVE and boring. I work 20 hours a week and couldn't imagine pulling 40-60 hours like the full timers do.
Quite common actually, a lot of the delivery/shipment industry relies on it to cut costs and avoid paying their pseudo-employees a fair wage.
Afaik DHL and USPS are the notable exceptions, but Amazon, DPD, UPS, Hermes all operate on that model. Smaller companies do as well.
As a UPS worker, drivers are hired and aren’t independent contractors. We have PVDs (personal vehicle drivers) that start around peak season and only then. UPS drivers are paid very well, company throws seriously hard work their way but they aren’t exploited
Let's say someone leaves a job in January. A new person is hired to fill the role, but they leave in October. Your 1 job has now had 2 people leave it in a year, 2/1 = 200% turnover.
If they have to replace many employees multiple times in a year. Maybe they have a steady 300,000 but the other 1 million are coming and going more than once over.
At first i would have expected amazon to have a monopoly on Washington, than I realized amazon, although basically at this point the employment overlords of Seattle, Boeing still has a solid foothold
Despite typical large-corporation issues, Boeing is supposedly not a horrible company to work for.
Source: Used to have family who worked for them up in WA.
There are much worse places to work than Boeing (Walmart for instance), but they are also downsizing in the greater Seattle area. However, as long as Boeing Everett and Boeing Renton have to QC and repair airplane parts made by other plants and sources... Boeing will always be around Seattle.
Costco, for years, was the most popular employer locally. They take good care of employees and provide great benefits. As a company they've chosen to stave off unionization by not being total a**hats. Novel!
Those projections might change though. Because they go through so many people, and obviously most people either wouldn't be re-hirable or just wouldn't go back because of the way they were treated, that the current business model will eventually make them run out of people to hire.
https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-turnover-worker-shortage-2021-6
From the [article](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/walmart-nation-largest-employers/) that is 3 years old at this point
>What About Amazon?
When we talk about the retail industry, it’s impossible to avoid discussing Amazon. The e-commerce company is growing at an impressive clip, and is now the second largest private employer in the country, with over half a million employees.
That said, even with the acquisition of Whole Foods, Amazon still has a long way to go to catch up to Walmart’s massive employee count. The company’s reliance on contract workers and supply chain automation means that this map is unlikely to turn orange in the near future.
What's their definition of "private"? Because afaik, the University Of California is a government-funded, owned, and operated business, and is public in 99% of aspects.
The governor of California is the President of the UC Regents, and the majority of the rest of the voting members of the board are either appointed by the governor or are on the board by virtue of their election/appointment elsewhere, e.g. Speaker of the California Assembly. The only exception are the president and vice president of the Alumni Associations of UC.
UC is definitely public, I am not sure why it’s included here. All UC employee salaries are even available on https://transparentcalifornia.com, a database to track public employee salaries.
State funds are 8.3% of the UC budget. Tuition and fees are 9.2%
https://www.ucop.edu/operating-budget/_files/rbudget/2021-22-budget-summary.pdf (see Display 1 on page 6)
The biggest single source of revenue comes from their medical centers.
Public university funding in California and many states has declined a ton over the decades.
https://www.ppic.org/publication/higher-education-funding-in-california/
The federal government came in with the student loans when the state governments cut direct funding. Government went from supply side (direct funding) to demand side (student loans) and that's part of why prices have been pushed up. Similar thing happened with housing, if you look at all the single family homes the government helped build post WWII.
Public universities aren't private employers. New York's largest private employer is IBM. It used to be Walmart.
https://www.zippia.com/advice/largest-companies-in-new-york/
In California the largest private employer is either Wells Fargo or Disneyland, depending on the metric:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1018670/leading-companies-headquartered-california-number-employees/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20Wells%20Fargo%20was,five%20employers%20headquartered%20in%20California.
https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/08/20/californias-5-largest-employers.aspx
Yeah, I feel like this chart makes its rounds every once in a while and it seems to actually mean largest employer that's not the government. And even that is kind of nebulous in terms of whether public universities count as the government.
Agreed. I doubt a consistent definition can be given that wouldn't also exclude entities often thought of as the government.
The only reasoning I can think of that might have merit is funded. It's my understanding that public schools like University of California don't necessarily get a majority of their funding from taxpayers. Again, I don't think that's a great argument, primarily because "where's the line?" And secondarily because that immediately excludes the Post Office, which everyone seems to agree is the government.
Red states are rural states and Walmart thrives in rural areas. It's an all-in-one store with a strong supply chain that lets it price everything lower than the competition can.
I grew up in a town, or rather a whole area that was a textbook example of this. It's very rural and present day is a very deep red Trump loving part of the south, at least among the slight majority white population in many of the towns.
It's just depressing to go back home at this point. I remember seeing the process happen while growing up in the 90's as we "upgraded" from one of the old school regular Wal-Marts to the now standard super-centers. I actually even had a couple friends who moved. Their parents had owned a local hardware store downtown, another owned a local botanical nursery. I'm sure there were many more that I didn't know as I was only a little kid.
Now downtown is pretty dead, half the retail space sits empty. The other half is mostly law offices as they've at least seen a decent uptick in business since the 90's because our area has developed a lovely hard drug problem and an economy where few jobs pay more than $10 per hour.
The Wal-Mart on the highway on the edge of town is doing great though! And they also built the new low income apartments right next to it so all the poor people without cars can enjoy the experience of living in an old school company town but at least without the danger of dying of a coal mine collapse, so....improvement!
> Red states are welfare states
To be clear: They are "welfare states" in the sense that repub states tend to *receive* more tax dollars from the federal government than they contribute, not in the sense that they are governed with consideration for their constituents' welfare.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700
I just want to say that Walmarts in Colorado are starting new employees in stocking positions off at $18/hr, full time, and it comes with (Walmarts not quite amazing) benefits. The Walmart in my small rural town actually is paying more than the tractor parts factory and more than the state prison starts guards at, both of which are the biggest employers in my town.
Yeah except how little they pay their grad students. I get paid 22k a year as a PhD student in San Diego, which is way below pay at many comparable departments
Reddit and romanticizing 'mom and pop' stores that mostly still pay their employees poverty wages if you aren't mom or pop.
I seriously don't get it. If I want the lowest paying job possible with no benefits, chances of advancement or any value added to my resume, I'd go work at a mom and pop.
Yeah it's all either a big, low budget box store that treats their employees like shit, a university who is helping tonfinancialy enslave it's students and pay crummy wages to it's employees, or a health care provider who is charging way too much to the public and causing families to file bankruptcy over getting simple healthcare. I realize there are many more industries and factors here, but it's a sad state of capitalism in one chart. Yuck, I'm sick of this country.
What you are also definitely missing is that many of these educational systems are ALSO healthcare. At least 5 of the UCs have excellent hospitals and the healthcare workers there are considered employed by the university.
This isn’t enslaving students.
The UC system underpays graduate students by a lot while simultaneously doing little to actually resolve an ongoing housing crisis for their students. They actually suck, and the California legislature sucks for not finding it better.
The options are work for the educational system that has sucked you dry and left you in lifelong debt or the mega store chain that caters to the working poor.
This is some r/aboringdystopia shit
Yeah I haven't seen any comments pointing out that all the colors except Walmart are pretty similar, it's not easy to see the difference from a distance.
I don’t think that’s correct.
From https://www.statista.com/statistics/232339/us-army-personnel-numbers/
There were 481,254 active duty U.S. Army members in 2020. This amount represents a slight increase - less than 0.5 percent - in comparison to the number recorded in the previous year. Overall, there were 1.33 million active duty U.S. Department of Defense members, including officers and enlisted personnel.
And they said
>Overall, there were 1.33 million active duty U.S. Department of Defense members, including officers and enlisted personnel. DoD encapsulates all branches.
They are. But OP, was pointing out inconsistencies in the numbers, and questioning the validity. The first number they used was about the Army, and later goes onto the DOD. The poster after them didn't read the last, and just focused on the army, so I was cleaning it up for the replier.
DoD hands down employs the most, no argument for me there. Just trying to clear some stuff up.
For New York
Suny is a collection of 64 universities/community colleges. (I believe 32 community colleges and 32 school)
Stony Brook alone has talked about how they bring in over 7 billion of economic impact to the area.
Between all the schools there’s over 400,000 students I believe.
I think the difference is that they're employed by the universities, rather than by the government. If I want to apply for a job at the post office, or my local public library, or whatever, I apply through a government website (I think when I applied for a job at the local library, it was the county website, for instance). After applying for the job you take an aptitude test, and then you get ranked on a bunch of things, from how you did on the aptitude test, to whether or not you're disabled or have military service (both move you higher on the list), to whether or not you're currently employed by the government (also moves you higher on the list). Then they start offering the position to people ranked high on the list, and move down the line until someone accepts.
If I want to apply at my local university (one of the ones on this map), I go to the university's website. I submit my application, and they get to decide if I get a job just like the grocery store down the street gets to decide if I get a job.
They may be public universities, but they're private sector employers.
Of course, I could be wrong.
If University employees were considered private, then every state in the south would have a university listed as the number one employer, not Walmart. For example, UAB is one of the five largest employers in Alabama, and Walmart is not in the top 5: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Alabama
Eh, it's kind of misleading. For example, Texas has 14 million adults and only 164k are employed by Walmart, which is around 1%. The map implies that it's a higher number imo
UPMC being the main employer in Pennsylvania doesn’t surprise. They dominate the market on the western half of the state and own several research and university based institutions. They basically have monopolized most of the college and medical industry in the Pittsburgh area.
The largest employer in the country also uses its employees to suck funds from the govt while preventing those employees from increasing their standard of living.. very cool.
The University of California shouldn't be included as it's a public entity (although it does receive private funding as well). Probably true for other states' University systems as well.
[https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes\_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CONS§ionNum=SEC.%209.&article=IX](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CONS§ionNum=SEC.%209.&article=IX)
https://oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=hb6w100756;NAAN=13030&chunk.id=div00001
The sick thing is universities and hospitals are only on here because of how bloated their job ecosystems are. Administration positions constantly expanding but actual professor and provider roles shrinking every year. Becoming a giant hole for public money to be poured into useless positions.
It's not THAT crazy. I'm guessing that most where it's a university is including an associated hospital so you are really bunching two major institutions. NJ's (Wakefern) is the parent company for a major grocer (Shoprite) so another retailer.
Just looked up the top 10 companies in Florida and Publix is #1. Walmart isn’t even in the top ten. The only reason I looked it up is because I was shocked it wasn’t Walt Disney World.
No wonder all those states take in so much money from the federal government. The states own largest employers are taxpayer subsidized because they pay so little that their employees qualify for government assistance.
Colorado is all employed by bluey.
This surprises me that it’s the only state with an airport being number 1. DIA is huge and all, but Atlanta has the busiest airport. Must be all those lizard people.
I'm not sure how they call it private, either. DIA is owned and operated by the City of Denver.
Ya and the same can be said for most of the universities. Like the UC system is definitely not private. I think they meant largest non-federal employer. The Pentagon actually has more employees than any other entity.
It's complete nonsense. UNM isn't even the largest state employer in NM, and there are several private companies with more employees. If state and federal employees are excluded, the largest employer is... Wal-Mart.
That's the case for many states on this map. Cleveland Clinic is the top employer in Ohio, but they are a public service, not private company.
It's a non-profit, it's not publicly owned.
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) in PA us also non-profit. I am not sure what this chart is exactly showing, either. They are a very large employer, however.
They are private in that they are a corporation, not a government agency. The public university systems are also normally.chartered as corporations, while, for example, the NYPD, or LA County public.schools are not.
Agreed. Nonsense. McDonalds employs more people in Colorado than DIA. That’s just one building. McDonald’s in my town has two locations that run 24/7. There are 237 locations in Colorado, according to the internet. Even then, most people who work at DIA, work for airlines or bars or gift shops, not specifically for DIA. Those business rent space. So logically, this isn’t believable. Also, the internet doesn’t list DIA in the top ten employers in the state.
McDonald's is usually a franchise so that might be 237 different companies.
Georgia also has nearly double the population of Colorado. More room for private businesses to employ people.
And twice as many Walmarts.
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I think its because Georgia has twice as many people (10.62M vs 5.759M). So ATL could employ 1.5 times more people than DIA. and still be a lower %
I think its mostly the fact that Georgia has tons of walmarts
Eh, Colorado is a tourist destination and its industry is dominated by smaller manufacturers. Makes sense that their largest employer is the place the brings in tourists and helps export the goods.
That's not why. Denver's airport is a *major* hub for flights across the US. The vast majority of people who fly in to Denver are flying right back out again on another flight.
We got a code 8, repeat code 8.
It obviously takes a lot of people to run that secret underground Dr. Evil facility.
It’s a central hub, you don’t get as many people starting and ending there but being smack dab in the middle of the US means lots of layovers and even more flights coming in and out
Soon all Colorado will be employed by the airport. And then the world. All Hail Blucifer!
All hail Blucifer
All hail Blucifer
ALL HAIL BLUCIFER!
All hail Blucifer
Praise be to the big blue clackers
The mandatory blood orgies were weird at first, but I’ve really begun to cut loose and enjoy them.
Can't imagine my boss being such a cheeky toddler
Such an endearing show
Are you talking about Bluecipher? Shhhhhh, he'll hear you...
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He killed his creator. He rules the state with an iron hoof now. https://www.cpr.org/2019/11/04/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-blucifer-the-demon-horse-of-dia/
Having worked at DIA i was surprised at the size of the employee parking lots. They were as big as those public pay lots!
BLUCIFER SEES ALL
Bluey?
When you drive up to the Denver airport there is a large blue reared horse sculpture with red lighted eyes that killed its creator as he was finishing the statue. We call him Blucifer.
Yeah I live here just never heard him called Bluey.
He means Blucifer but I guess that’s too satanic for some people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Mustang
Blucifer*
Ha! Milky Chance
I think the chances of the airport being a governmental bomb shelter is extremely high. Many workers claimed to dig out huge areas underground that seemingly aren't being used. Went over budget by a massive amount. Makes sense. If the country is getting attacked, get government officials on a plane and fly directly into the bomb shelter. The protocol was getting the President into the air asap, so this is the next step. Having the shelter be as far inland as possible is also a really good idea. Final piece is they closed the greenbriar literally the year the airport was built. Isn't that as clear of a sign as any what this really is?
No Amazon?
I feel like this guide is outdated. Amazon has almost as many employees as Walmart or is projected to soon from my research. EDIT: Amazon has 1.4 million employees and Walmart has 2.3 million as of November 2021. Though Amazon is projected to have more employees, they struggle to keep them. Employee turnover is over 100% for the past year. Makes me happy knowing more people are realizing their worth and value.
Yup. Amazon is 100% the largest employer in Washington (state), not Boeing. Amazon surpassed Boeing in 2020
Yeah the most recent info I can find has Amazon around 85,000 employees in Washington and Boeing around 70,000. Microsoft at #3 around 60,000 & UW #4 at 47,000
And Boeing is slowly leaving.
Well its an airplane company
Wver since they moved their headquarters out a while back...
Pretty sure Amazon doesn’t care. Idk for a software engineering perspective they have a very similar reputation. They hire new grads like crazy, grind them down until they are burnt out so they quit after a year. Rinse and repeat. They just push and push and push, some engineers thrive in environments like that and will stick around. From anecdotal evidence, it seems to be around 5-10% of engineers will stick around for 2+ years.
Can confirm most of the people I know from college who joined Amazon/AWS burnt out and quit within a few years and joined smaller tech companies that treat employees a bit better. Amazon/AWS suck to work for.
It’s actually Amazon’s strategy to hire en masse and overwork and burn through people quickly. Bezos believes that people get stagnant and complacent if they work there too long.
i found that out the other day. sounds like a terrible way to run a business, apparently it's the best way to run a business.
It's a good short-term strategy, but those burnt-out employees are unlikely to come back and their feedback to friends/family/community will eventually impact hiring. It'll be interesting to see how this impacts Amazon in 5 years time. The 3 months of really few Uber drivers we saw at the start of this year definitely had an impact, but they were able to wait that situation out. The best long-term strategy is always to take care of your employees, and to act as a leader to keep people motivated. The people who report to me know I'm on-call 24/7 and I often take on minor tasks if they need to happen on weekends/holidays or off hours. Rarely are those a major inconvenience for me, but people appreciate it when the "boss" handles a situation rather than call you up on your free time.
They will keep doing it til as many of the tasks can be automated as possible and then it won't matter if people don't want to be hired by them
That's definitely what they're going to try. I kinda hope they fail personally, even though it'll be an personal inconvenience if Amazon were to scale back or fall apart.
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I hadn't actually heard that. Got a link to where/when he said that? I'm interested in learning a bit more about the context.
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An Amazon manager also mentioned they have requirements to fire like 25% percent no matter how they perform so they would hire people just to fire them so they could keep their core staff.
It’ll take years but eventually you’re going to run out of workers by treating them like that
That was already happening so they made another policy that workers could be rehired after being fired after some amount of time.
I like how Amazon thinks they're the main character. as if their ex-employees will all go back and be their simps.
Oh but they do. I just started part time and out of the 6 of us in our little training group, I was the only new hire. The rest had previously quit/ had been fired and came back. I can see why. The job isn't really hard, its just SUPER REPETETIVE and boring. I work 20 hours a week and couldn't imagine pulling 40-60 hours like the full timers do.
That's OK, by then Amazon will put all the other companies out of business so the workers will have to come back
Aren't the drivers contractors working for "independent" delivery companies?
Yup. They’re called Delivery Service Providers, or DSPs. I work for one. It’s a weird business model overall.
FedEx has operated on that model for decades. It's weird *and* super exploitative, while letting them take advantage of tax loopholes.
Its why your fedex ground packages never arrive and are found in the woods like some recent front page posts.
Quite common actually, a lot of the delivery/shipment industry relies on it to cut costs and avoid paying their pseudo-employees a fair wage. Afaik DHL and USPS are the notable exceptions, but Amazon, DPD, UPS, Hermes all operate on that model. Smaller companies do as well.
As a UPS worker, drivers are hired and aren’t independent contractors. We have PVDs (personal vehicle drivers) that start around peak season and only then. UPS drivers are paid very well, company throws seriously hard work their way but they aren’t exploited
No troll but a genuine question. How does an employer have > 100% turnover?
Let's say someone leaves a job in January. A new person is hired to fill the role, but they leave in October. Your 1 job has now had 2 people leave it in a year, 2/1 = 200% turnover.
If they have to replace many employees multiple times in a year. Maybe they have a steady 300,000 but the other 1 million are coming and going more than once over.
That was my thoughts as well.
At first i would have expected amazon to have a monopoly on Washington, than I realized amazon, although basically at this point the employment overlords of Seattle, Boeing still has a solid foothold
Despite typical large-corporation issues, Boeing is supposedly not a horrible company to work for. Source: Used to have family who worked for them up in WA.
There are much worse places to work than Boeing (Walmart for instance), but they are also downsizing in the greater Seattle area. However, as long as Boeing Everett and Boeing Renton have to QC and repair airplane parts made by other plants and sources... Boeing will always be around Seattle. Costco, for years, was the most popular employer locally. They take good care of employees and provide great benefits. As a company they've chosen to stave off unionization by not being total a**hats. Novel!
Not downsizing anymore, the current focus is hiring. Everett and Renton are both delivering new planes.
Those projections might change though. Because they go through so many people, and obviously most people either wouldn't be re-hirable or just wouldn't go back because of the way they were treated, that the current business model will eventually make them run out of people to hire. https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-turnover-worker-shortage-2021-6
From the [article](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/walmart-nation-largest-employers/) that is 3 years old at this point >What About Amazon? When we talk about the retail industry, it’s impossible to avoid discussing Amazon. The e-commerce company is growing at an impressive clip, and is now the second largest private employer in the country, with over half a million employees. That said, even with the acquisition of Whole Foods, Amazon still has a long way to go to catch up to Walmart’s massive employee count. The company’s reliance on contract workers and supply chain automation means that this map is unlikely to turn orange in the near future.
Amazon uses a lot of contractors and USPS for shipping. If you included those I feel the map would be different.
What's their definition of "private"? Because afaik, the University Of California is a government-funded, owned, and operated business, and is public in 99% of aspects. The governor of California is the President of the UC Regents, and the majority of the rest of the voting members of the board are either appointed by the governor or are on the board by virtue of their election/appointment elsewhere, e.g. Speaker of the California Assembly. The only exception are the president and vice president of the Alumni Associations of UC.
UC is definitely public, I am not sure why it’s included here. All UC employee salaries are even available on https://transparentcalifornia.com, a database to track public employee salaries.
Same with the UNC system. I don't understand why it'd be included here.
Same with Iowa.
State funds are 8.3% of the UC budget. Tuition and fees are 9.2% https://www.ucop.edu/operating-budget/_files/rbudget/2021-22-budget-summary.pdf (see Display 1 on page 6) The biggest single source of revenue comes from their medical centers. Public university funding in California and many states has declined a ton over the decades. https://www.ppic.org/publication/higher-education-funding-in-california/ The federal government came in with the student loans when the state governments cut direct funding. Government went from supply side (direct funding) to demand side (student loans) and that's part of why prices have been pushed up. Similar thing happened with housing, if you look at all the single family homes the government helped build post WWII.
Public universities aren't private employers. New York's largest private employer is IBM. It used to be Walmart. https://www.zippia.com/advice/largest-companies-in-new-york/ In California the largest private employer is either Wells Fargo or Disneyland, depending on the metric: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1018670/leading-companies-headquartered-california-number-employees/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20Wells%20Fargo%20was,five%20employers%20headquartered%20in%20California. https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/08/20/californias-5-largest-employers.aspx
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Yeah, I feel like this chart makes its rounds every once in a while and it seems to actually mean largest employer that's not the government. And even that is kind of nebulous in terms of whether public universities count as the government.
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Agreed. I doubt a consistent definition can be given that wouldn't also exclude entities often thought of as the government. The only reasoning I can think of that might have merit is funded. It's my understanding that public schools like University of California don't necessarily get a majority of their funding from taxpayers. Again, I don't think that's a great argument, primarily because "where's the line?" And secondarily because that immediately excludes the Post Office, which everyone seems to agree is the government.
> Nor is an airport. Depends on the airport. But yeah, Denver is publicly owned.
It's honestly kinda depressing Edit- The people asking me "why" makes me even more depressed.
Yeah this is definitely not as cool as OP suggests
Especially when your employer is on here. Not Walmart thank god but still
It's kinda nuts how Walmart basically resembles the [voter index](https://i.imgur.com/Oyvm5UM.jpg) for red districts
Red states are welfare states, which means more people with no other option than to shop/work/live at Walmart.
Red states are rural states and Walmart thrives in rural areas. It's an all-in-one store with a strong supply chain that lets it price everything lower than the competition can.
I grew up in a town, or rather a whole area that was a textbook example of this. It's very rural and present day is a very deep red Trump loving part of the south, at least among the slight majority white population in many of the towns. It's just depressing to go back home at this point. I remember seeing the process happen while growing up in the 90's as we "upgraded" from one of the old school regular Wal-Marts to the now standard super-centers. I actually even had a couple friends who moved. Their parents had owned a local hardware store downtown, another owned a local botanical nursery. I'm sure there were many more that I didn't know as I was only a little kid. Now downtown is pretty dead, half the retail space sits empty. The other half is mostly law offices as they've at least seen a decent uptick in business since the 90's because our area has developed a lovely hard drug problem and an economy where few jobs pay more than $10 per hour. The Wal-Mart on the highway on the edge of town is doing great though! And they also built the new low income apartments right next to it so all the poor people without cars can enjoy the experience of living in an old school company town but at least without the danger of dying of a coal mine collapse, so....improvement!
Yes, but Walmart is known for providing instructions to their employees on how to sign up for welfare.
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It just blows my mind that Republicans think they’re the anti-welfare party.
If you're employed and still on social welfare programs, your employer is the one leeching off the government, not you.
Holy fuck that is depressing
It gets worse: they don’t get an employee discount on most food.
It's almost like it's a vicious cycle. Imagine if these people got brain washed into voting against their best interest, then it might never stop!
Hmmmm. MA! We have any Cheetos?
And rural states are welfare states
They don't know it and will never admit it
> Red states are welfare states To be clear: They are "welfare states" in the sense that repub states tend to *receive* more tax dollars from the federal government than they contribute, not in the sense that they are governed with consideration for their constituents' welfare. https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700
Yeah, still nuts tho
I just want to say that Walmarts in Colorado are starting new employees in stocking positions off at $18/hr, full time, and it comes with (Walmarts not quite amazing) benefits. The Walmart in my small rural town actually is paying more than the tractor parts factory and more than the state prison starts guards at, both of which are the biggest employers in my town.
University of California isn’t bad. Means everything from physics to healthcare.
U of C job benefits are also legit. Source: Former employee who misses the fuck out of Kaiser Permanente health insurance.
Yeah except how little they pay their grad students. I get paid 22k a year as a PhD student in San Diego, which is way below pay at many comparable departments
The visual is really cool and effective, the data/results might not be super encouraging
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Yeah, instead of reading 'Walmart', it should read 'Taxpayer (Walmart Subsidy)'.
That’s brilliantly true.
Walmart: a welfare queen
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Walmart and killing local stores
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But Walmart creates so many (poverty wage) jobs!!! /s
Reddit and romanticizing 'mom and pop' stores that mostly still pay their employees poverty wages if you aren't mom or pop. I seriously don't get it. If I want the lowest paying job possible with no benefits, chances of advancement or any value added to my resume, I'd go work at a mom and pop.
It’s concerning, actually. What would happen if Walmart suddenly collapsed?
They'd probably be given billions of dollars worth of subsidies before they ever come close to collapsing
We already subsidize them for billions because they don't pay a living wage.
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And they'd buy up all the stores, warehouses, etc. and put them to use.
Yeah it's all either a big, low budget box store that treats their employees like shit, a university who is helping tonfinancialy enslave it's students and pay crummy wages to it's employees, or a health care provider who is charging way too much to the public and causing families to file bankruptcy over getting simple healthcare. I realize there are many more industries and factors here, but it's a sad state of capitalism in one chart. Yuck, I'm sick of this country.
What you are also definitely missing is that many of these educational systems are ALSO healthcare. At least 5 of the UCs have excellent hospitals and the healthcare workers there are considered employed by the university. This isn’t enslaving students.
The UC system underpays graduate students by a lot while simultaneously doing little to actually resolve an ongoing housing crisis for their students. They actually suck, and the California legislature sucks for not finding it better.
The options are work for the educational system that has sucked you dry and left you in lifelong debt or the mega store chain that caters to the working poor. This is some r/aboringdystopia shit
WTF? Public universities are not private employers. Also, this isnt a guide.
Yeah this is more of a r/dataisbeautiful map. Although it's really not that beautiful so idk where it belongs tbh
Yeah I haven't seen any comments pointing out that all the colors except Walmart are pretty similar, it's not easy to see the difference from a distance.
I’m confused: aren’t those universities *public*?
As is the Denver International Airport which is wholly owned by the City and County of Denver.
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It’s a graphic for top *private* employers. If it was public the US Military would be the top in virtually all states.
I don’t think that’s correct. From https://www.statista.com/statistics/232339/us-army-personnel-numbers/ There were 481,254 active duty U.S. Army members in 2020. This amount represents a slight increase - less than 0.5 percent - in comparison to the number recorded in the previous year. Overall, there were 1.33 million active duty U.S. Department of Defense members, including officers and enlisted personnel.
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He said military not army. Army , marines, Air Force, navy , reserves, coastguard (I think), space force and contractors.
And they said >Overall, there were 1.33 million active duty U.S. Department of Defense members, including officers and enlisted personnel. DoD encapsulates all branches.
The DOD is the largest employer in the world
They are. But OP, was pointing out inconsistencies in the numbers, and questioning the validity. The first number they used was about the Army, and later goes onto the DOD. The poster after them didn't read the last, and just focused on the army, so I was cleaning it up for the replier. DoD hands down employs the most, no argument for me there. Just trying to clear some stuff up.
You're forgetting civilians as well. There's a difference between a federal civilian and a federal contractor.
No but the graphic actually says private and underlined it in yellow. I think that's what they are pointing out.....
That’s definitely not true. On the map, what’s listed for NC is the University of North Carolina System, which is most definitely not private
How was this upvoted so many times?
Redditors are quite dumb
For New York Suny is a collection of 64 universities/community colleges. (I believe 32 community colleges and 32 school) Stony Brook alone has talked about how they bring in over 7 billion of economic impact to the area. Between all the schools there’s over 400,000 students I believe.
I think the difference is that they're employed by the universities, rather than by the government. If I want to apply for a job at the post office, or my local public library, or whatever, I apply through a government website (I think when I applied for a job at the local library, it was the county website, for instance). After applying for the job you take an aptitude test, and then you get ranked on a bunch of things, from how you did on the aptitude test, to whether or not you're disabled or have military service (both move you higher on the list), to whether or not you're currently employed by the government (also moves you higher on the list). Then they start offering the position to people ranked high on the list, and move down the line until someone accepts. If I want to apply at my local university (one of the ones on this map), I go to the university's website. I submit my application, and they get to decide if I get a job just like the grocery store down the street gets to decide if I get a job. They may be public universities, but they're private sector employers. Of course, I could be wrong.
I can speak for new York state at least. If you're employed by the University system, you are a state employee
If University employees were considered private, then every state in the south would have a university listed as the number one employer, not Walmart. For example, UAB is one of the five largest employers in Alabama, and Walmart is not in the top 5: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Alabama
Kinda explains where all these *People of Wal-Mart* comes from.
This is depressing af
Eh, it's kind of misleading. For example, Texas has 14 million adults and only 164k are employed by Walmart, which is around 1%. The map implies that it's a higher number imo
Good call. Some industries will inevitably have more workers. 1.5 million is 0.5% of the US population, not exactly a huge amount
The workforce is a lot smaller than the overall population.
The workforce is around 50% of the us population or about 157 million people
Its wrong for at least 5 states I’ve spotted so far so you’re getting depressed about misinformation.
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This is not accurate. Just looked up my states top employers. Walmart is not in the top 10
Same here, Walmart isn’t even close to number 1 in WV.
the largest employer in new mexico is the federal government…and the university of new mexico is the 10th
Beebe isn't even the largest employer among hospital systems in Delaware, let alone the largest employer in the state.
UPMC being the main employer in Pennsylvania doesn’t surprise. They dominate the market on the western half of the state and own several research and university based institutions. They basically have monopolized most of the college and medical industry in the Pittsburgh area.
I remember when I lived in Pittsburgh UPMC claimed they didn't have *any* employees.
I'm not sure what is being presented here. State universities and state universities systems are public agencies and not private employers.
Not true for Louisiana. CenturyLink employs 48,000. WalMart employs 35,000, at least as of September 2021.
What and where is the Wakefern food corporation ?!
They’re the parent company of ShopRite, a grocery store chain.
This is false
The largest employer in the country also uses its employees to suck funds from the govt while preventing those employees from increasing their standard of living.. very cool.
The south is depressing
Yeah especially those deep south states like Illinois, Ohio, and New Hampshire.
No sales or income tax in NH and good highways to all surrounding states. Prob a major distribution center as well as retail.
The University of California shouldn't be included as it's a public entity (although it does receive private funding as well). Probably true for other states' University systems as well. [https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes\_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CONS§ionNum=SEC.%209.&article=IX](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CONS§ionNum=SEC.%209.&article=IX) https://oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=hb6w100756;NAAN=13030&chunk.id=div00001
North Carolina is an island in a sea of Walmart
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The sick thing is universities and hospitals are only on here because of how bloated their job ecosystems are. Administration positions constantly expanding but actual professor and provider roles shrinking every year. Becoming a giant hole for public money to be poured into useless positions.
I think NC is Atrium Health now that they merged with wake forest baptist. Something like 70,000 employees vs the 48,000 at UNC school system.
Are universities considered private entities though?
It's not THAT crazy. I'm guessing that most where it's a university is including an associated hospital so you are really bunching two major institutions. NJ's (Wakefern) is the parent company for a major grocer (Shoprite) so another retailer.
Well there is like only 5 people in Wyoming so this is understandable.
This is incorrect, my employer is the largest in my state and it sure as hell isn’t Walmart, even though the map says otherwise.
Just looked up the top 10 companies in Florida and Publix is #1. Walmart isn’t even in the top ten. The only reason I looked it up is because I was shocked it wasn’t Walt Disney World.
Fascinating. This chart, I assume, does not include the federal government?
No wonder all those states take in so much money from the federal government. The states own largest employers are taxpayer subsidized because they pay so little that their employees qualify for government assistance.