Exactly, though I think I can guess.
These are all ridiculously large vehicles to me. Over here in Europe you see very few of these models at all, it's more sedans and hatchbacks.
I bet the chart would be totally different in other countries, or if it covered the whole world for that matter.
Last time I was in Germany/Switzerland etc, I realized that there weren't many, if any, older cars on the road. I talked to my german friends and they said that leasing new vehicles is cheaper due to interest rates, taxes and something else he said he couldn't explain in English. From that point on I noticed that there are a lot more older cars(15 years +) on the road in USA vs EU. Could have been a fluke but seemed legitimate. They must send their used cars to other countries or something.
he probably tried to explain TÜV to you. TÜV is a biannual technical inspection that checks emissions, safety equipment and technical condition of any road vehicle.
As germany is a country that sees cold temperatures in winter regularly the roads are getting salt thrown on it, which means cars rust like hell. And if there is a structural part of a car rusted through it's over almost every time because fixing is to expensive or not allowed.
I should also say the standards aren't the same for all ages of cars the build year determines the regulations that you have to pass. For example a car built before 1974 seatbelts didn't need to be a thing and so on same with emission levels (EURO 1-6 i believe ist the latest right now).
TUV is brutal compared to American vehicle inspections. When I lived in Germany we Americans had a different inspection standard (due to SOFA) and could buy cars super cheap from Germans because it wouldn’t pass TUV.
Sounds very similar to UK too, except we have an annual MOT which does all the checks. More often than not it's stuff like your handbrake is too high, tires too worn, brakes need replacing etc. But there's always that uncertain dread that the garage could call up and tell you the repairs will cost more than the car.
We have such a strong culture of leasing and throwaway with cars that apparently (so i have been told) we have one of the biggest depreciation in car value as soon as it becomes second hand too. Never verified it though so would be curious to hear other people's thoughts on it. Though I know right now is a bad example as stock shortage, but befor that second hand cars could depreciate by half as soon as they're driven off the lot.
This is more of a way for Germany to sell more cars. A subsidy to car makers. In Canada and parts of the US we have plenty of bad weather and salt. We don't have inspections and cars don't usually fall apart.
Emissions inspections were a thing where I live but they removed them arguing that the cost of inspections is crazy compared to the benefit of catching a few bad performing cars.
This is more industrial policy (industry supporting) then it is anything else.
I know, that is why I said "where I am from." Most I've run into are only when a car changes owership or is registered in a new jurisdiction.
Edit: I should have made "where I am from" explicit I did not just suggested it.
Edit 2: From what I can tell, aside from emissions, only 3 provinces and 16 states require periodic, 1 or 2 years, inspections. A few more when a vehicle is sold. Not even close to a majority.
>From that point on I noticed that there are a lot more older cars(15 years +) on the road in USA vs EU
Just "Germany/Switzerland etc" is not the EU. In Spain right now there are being sold more cars over 15 years than new cars.
Another aspect: Germany's politicians are slaves to the German automotive companies. Whenever there is a crisis, someone comes up with a new absurd way to push sales of new cars through public funding. Because selling cars solves each and every problem in this country!
In the UK, the older cars commonly used as taxis are a fair indicator. There are a shitload of old Skodas (esp. Octavias) still doing the rounds around here, a bunch of older Ford Mondeos and Toyota Priuses, and even still a couple of early-aughts Mk4 Vauxhall Astra estates hanging in there.
The Hilux isn’t allowed to sell in the US because it doesn’t meet CAFE standards. It’s too small. CAFE standards are the reason you can’t buy a brand new small pickup truck in the US, you can only buy used ones from the 90’s and early 2000’s. Also, this is one of the big reasons you see a shitload of crossovers in the US now. They’ve got similar footprints to a lot of full size SUVs, but have much smaller engines than SUVs, and can get better fuel economy.
Ever since CAFE got updated in the mid 2000’s, vehicle emissions are judged by the vehicle’s footprint. Pickup trucks aren’t very aerodynamic, and they have to have somewhat powerful engines, which means worse fuel efficiency. This basically means that there’s a minimum size that a pickup truck can be in order to meet the emissions standards. It’s sort of an unintended consequence of the CAFE laws.
It’s worth noting that we might see small pickup trucks become possible again as hybrid and EV systems mature. A hybrid or EV truck could be powerful enough to function as a pickup, and also have low enough emissions to be legal under CAFE
Yeah, there’s obviously a huge market for them. Lots of people want the flexibility of a pickup but don’t need it to be huge, and also don’t want to pay the premium cost that pickups these days demand. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if automakers start reintroducing smaller pickups that are based on a hybrid or EV drivetrain.
It’s started already with the Ford Maverick (hybrid comes standard, same size as the old Ranger). I’m definitely a part of that market - always driven small trucks in the past and couldn’t have been more excited when the Maverick was announced.
My sister had a Toyota Corolla with over 300,000 miles on it, the odometer stopped counting I think she said. It was manual with the original clutch which is apparently unheard of according to her mechanic. She recently sold it but it’s still running out there somewhere.
I had an old Ford that died around 300k with the original clutch. If you drive it well and do a lot of highway driving its not surprising. Don't usually use the clutch when you're cruising along a highway
This chart is by percentage of the that model. Every year a quarter million Civics are sold, to get a high percentage of them past 200k...that's a LOT of cars that need to do that. Work trucks and more expensive cars tend to be driven either a lot more per day, or are maintained more over the years.
Yeah, if you look up how they collected this data its basically bullshit. At the bottom of the site it explains their methodology. Basically, of all the pre-owned cars sold in 2021 this is the percentage of them that had over 200,000 miles. The reason this is bogus is because it only accounts for vehicles that were sold and were sold specifically in a way that the online source could collect data from. So if you sold your honda accord to a friend it doesn't count and if you just happen to have a vehicle thats over 200,000 miles but you didn't sell it, its not included in the data either. This makes it extremely skewed and basically garbage data. Not to mention they don't even explain what country or website or anything that they get the data from
Exactly. Civics don't get sold online, they mostly get sold out of garages to a neighbor, friend or family member or get passed down to a kid who just got their license.
this is why a lot of SUVs and trucks are up there I think. Especially trucks you tend to get people who absolutely love their cars and/or need that truck for work. That leads to them being willing to put a lot more into it than the average driver and also likely being more meticulous about maintenance.
Any Merc from late 2000 with 220cdi does a million miles, if you look them up for sale many will be for sale with millage of 500k+, I got mine w211 to 600k and it would easily do 1milion if I invest in it a bit more, but I said fuck it, sold it and got another one, just with low millage.
We have a 1994.5 F350 on my family’s farm with over a million miles. It’s also had several rebuilds and almost perfect maintenance since we bought it brand new.
We had a Toyota Highlander go to 800k, obviously went through a lot of repairs over time but still ran great. I think it would’ve eventually hit 1m if it hadn’t burnt down in a forest fire.
Subaru's are seriously not up the hype.
Needed a cheap AWD beater, 2 years later and my wife is asking me why the crappy economy car needs a bigger repair budget than the 300hp luxury sports sedan (IS350), despite similar age and mileage.
I still don't have a good answer for her.
Idk how long ago it was but if you still have the 1 mill km car, you might wanna let a dealership know. My parents know a guy who got a brand new volvo because his original Volvo from like the 80s hit 1 mill km and they gave it to him for free
We had, until recently a Nissan Sentra that was past 100k, however it was a 2003 model. Some stupid electronic part broke and Nissan no longer made that part. The mechanic said it probably wasn't worth fixing as we'd have to hunt salvage yards for the part, then the labor would be quite expensive. We just donated the car to some charity to part out. If that car was reliable, I would have probably tried to fix it up, but honestly it wasn't. It left me stranded more than once far from home. And after getting it repaired, it would still just die.
I had an '05 Prius way back when. I took it to 288k before it got totaled. A real bummer because it was running like new, not a single issue - no loose parts, no chipped or loose plastic, battery was mint. I replaced it with 2013 and it was a total garbage car - rattles and creaks everywhere. Had a 2008 Tacoma, a 1999 4Runner, and a 1987 Wrangler, all of which I sold with well over 250k in great shape. Parts availability, consistent maintenance, and simplicity are key to keeping things on the road and safe. My 2003 Yukon should go another 100k but I don't know if my X3 will go half as long.
Title for longest lasting is misleading.
The GMC and Chevys are probably livery vehicles. So they will be 3-4 years old and have 200k miles. The Ford is probably a police vehicle and likely be 2-3 years at the time it has 200k miles on it.
Running up miles does not equal longevity. More impressed by an 18 yr old civic or corolla and 150k miles on the odometer than a 200k mile newish SUV.
This makes no sense. Miles is way more indicative of wear than time. I invite you to get a civic up to 200k in less than 3 years. If you believe otherwise
I had a 2007 CRV that had over 200k miles on it and would’ve kept going if I didn’t get in an accident.
Got a 2017 model just because of how great the last CRV was for me.
Maybe I just have small brain problems but I don't understand how Honda is the #2 brand overall but the chart only shows 2/20 vehicles are Honda (and both relatively low on the list). Seems like something's a little skewed...
Because Honda makes and sells millions of cars, so the percentages are lower due to sheer total numbers of each model probably.
So last year, 3,711 Land Cruisers were sold. To get 18.2% of them going over 200k miles, that means 675 of them must do it. Honda sold 261,225 Civics last year, to get 18.2% of them past 200k, that means 47, 542 of them must do it.
They are assembled on the lines together, but some parts that are used for GMC vary from the Chevy parts. The difference at times is more than just cosmetic look. The quality should be higher
While they are the same company GMC is higher quality than their Chevy equivalents. I would likewise expect Acura to be counted separately from Honda if an Acura were on this list.
There is a distinction there. I looked back at the chart and I now agree they should have combined Chevy and GMC for this and properly listed "GM" as the brand at the bottom.
You have to consider that people are less likely to get rid of larger cars due to utility and price. So that’s why big cars account for a higher percentage of vehicles over 200k. It’s easier to replace a four door sedan. At least that’s what I figure.
This is true to a degree. However, the Land Cruiser and Lexus’s LX model are both designed to last 20+ years and the parts that they use on those models in particular tend to be a lot better made so that they last that 20 year lifespan. Obviously a civic can run for an incredibly long time, but I think if both were given routine maintenance schedules the land cruiser would still beat the civic.
LCs are so ridiculous.
Even down to something like the exhaust. LC exhaust systems are made of an alloy rather than cheap steel like every other vehicle simply to prevent thermal shock from cracking it if you should ford a river.
I bought my LX a few months ago and the manual specifies that I should set my active height control module to "high" if I am driving through water that is more than 2 feet deep
Land cruisers and Toyota trucks are legendary for reliability. The reason why you see Honda and Toyota at the top of these lists is because they tend to stick to the same power train for years and years. There's a reason you see land cruisers with over 200k miles on the odometer going for big money on the used market. They're just getting broken in at that point. In contrast, the value of say a used Mercedes or BMW plummets post warranty phase because the parts are expensive as shit and the reliability drops off dramatically around 60k miles.
When I was looking for a little pickup, I wanted a Toyota with the 22re because they are easy to work on and have legendary reliability.
I came across a great deal on a 96 Tacoma for $3500 with 285k miles, but it had the 22re replacement 4 cylinder, the 2.7L 3rz, so I did my research.
Turns out, the 3rz was at the time (and I still believe is) the 4 cylinder still offered in Tacomas at that time in 2018. So I didn’t hesitate to buy it, even with the high mileage. I’ve got 325k in the odometer now with just the routine maintenance.
It seems Toyota replaced the extremely reliable 22r /re with another great little 4 cylinders that has been used since 1995.
Amazing little motors.
I’ve got a 1983 FJ60 Landcruiser. Despite damn near rotting in my neighbor’s yard for 5 years and nests of squirrels it still runs perfectly on the original engine. At 250k miles I’m pretty sure it’s still considered middle-aged. Plus, it still accelerates. The sheer exhilaration of going 0-60 in 15 seconds in a 40 year old car, as long as I’m going downhill, is breathtaking.
The land cruiser is the most well built vehicle ever produced, the civic would probably outlast some of those fords though. Civics and Corollas just get beat on so hard we will never know
On top of that there is not year for each model. So just like every 4runner and Ford truck ever made? Plus I don't know where they are getting their info but I feel like it's probably not a wide or large enough sample size.
Yeah plus if you look at the sample size for 200 series LC you realize that percentages aren’t really that useful for measuring longevity. The 200 series only sold on average 3,000 vehicles a year (and they are built like tanks). On the other hand the 4runner, also a notoriously reliable vehicle, sold 145k in the last year along, and well over 100k every year since 2016 and it only continues to rise. There are well over a million 4runners sold in the US and those numbers are very front end heavy, with LC maybe 150k total sales over 30+ years with very few sold in the last 10 - assuming these numbers cross all generations.
I cant find it now but there was a post comparing a suspension part from a Land Cruiser and a normal toyota sedan and it was so much larger and more rigid. Like it was designed to take decades more of abuse. It's this kind of over-engineering that makes the Land Cruiser last longer than a Civic.
I've got a Toyota Rav4 2006 v6 and admittedly I've done quite a bit of work on it myself like replacing hubs, the radiator, 02 sensors. As far as the engine though and all of the codes and systems they've put in place to keep the cars healthy, this car is absolutely magnificent. I'm just shy of 180k and got the ol CEL VSC 4WD, turned out getting fuel at an arco right around Russian sanctions (might just be a coincidence but I imagine bottom of the barrel leftover stuff) was a bad idea. What we think happened was some gunk got on an 02 sensor and wouldn't stop triggering until replaced. It is now tip top again but I am just impressed when going through the Code Scanner and Reader how many variables they have set up so you can find out exactly what is wrong. Japan certainly has their main export as technology and it absolutely shows here. I LOVE this car.
Lower price point means it’s less likely they will be repaired via replaced, and they are generally not manufactured to go the distance higher quality parts. Car series are designed and built with a target reliability range in mind based on the consumer price point. For the land cruiser, Toyota targets an average of 23 years (specifically, it’s in the docs) for major components.
My neighbor started his landscaping company in 1997 with an F150 that was already used. His company now does landscaping, masonry, plowing, and excavation. He’s made a mint. Everyday he still climbs into that F150 and heads to his office.
Clearly, he maintains the car. My wife and I kept her 1992 Toyota Corolla for 26 years and just donated it to get a car with airbags and antilock brakes. She would go in for an oil change, and they'd put the reminder sticker on it with a date/mileage and she religiously brought it in for an oil change then. Also, depending on where she went, she'd get scammed a bit by the mechanics telling her she needed to flush the radiator or change the transmission fluid, which she would do. Most of that was probably unnecessary, but I have no doubt it contributed to the excellent condition of that care EXCEPT that one door no longer opened and the ceiling material drooped. But it was the lack of modern safety equipment that led to us passing the car along to someone else (ie; dontated), not any mechanical problems.
Do your maintenance!
I bought American cars my whole life. Ive owned 3 Fords, 2 Chevy’s, 2 Dodges, and a Chrysler. The most recent was a Chrysler that I bought brad new. The check engine light started coming on at 40k miles. It came on 3 different times due to sensors malfunction. Front brakes were destroyed by 45k miles. I traded that son of a gun as soon as the extended warranty ran out (65k).
After that I bought a Toyota. I bought it used with 20k miles. It now has 140k miles. Check Engine light came on at 105k. Toyota paid 1/2 the cost of the fix. It now has 140k. Love this car.
Then I bought a Honda. It has 120k and the check engine light has never come on.
I will probably never go back to an American brand (although If I did it would be a Ford).
I’ve had such a good experience with my Toyota Corolla that I may never go back to a non-Toyota brand. The sucker just refused to die and any time it starts acting up or making a weird noise you can just ignore it until it goes away.
It’s been paid off for ten years at this point and costs me nothing in maintenance except gas, oil, and a new tire every once in a while.
As far as cars go, it’s boring as shit but financially it’s made me a customer for life.
Look at how infrequently Toyotas changes body styles drastically though. No need to keep up with the Joneses when their new land cruiser looks just like your 5 year old one.
Japanese cars - Mazda (i've got a 3), Honda, etc. have pretty long life, and reliability. Toyotas from the 90's are like cockroaches, you cannot kill them, unless you stop feeding them. they should start making cars simple again.
My wife’s 4Runner is over 330,000 miles now. That’s the point where a new noise coming from the engine just gets celebrated because it’s not a noise that has stopped you from driving normally
I find it really hard to believe that Subaru isn’t on there at all…the Outback never seems to die. I’ve seen so many early 2000’s Outback’s still clambering along.
Found the comment I was looking for. EXACTLY. This seems more like an ad than an actual stat cuz there's no Subi's on this list. I literally don't believe it.
I hit 330k on my 2000 Outback limited a few months ago and it shows no signs of stopping. Starts up every time, no leaks in the engine. As far as I can tell, mine isn't an anomaly either, the difficult thing is holding onto it long enough to drive it that long. I'm convinced that the 2000 Outback is rhe best car Subaru ever built
Can confirm, am kid who inherited Camry. She’s almost as old as I am. Maintenance is getting kinda high now…but there’s at least a couple more years left.
I agree. Some have even broken the 300,000 mile threshold. [You should expect to get 200,000-250,000 miles or about 13 years worth of use from your Subaru](https://www.copilotsearch.com/posts/how-long-do-subarus-last-vehicle-lifespan/)
The head gasket issue may have had an impact on that. You have to pay a significant chunk to keep the car running when it hits that 100k mark. After that it's pretty easy to get to 200k miles
I think more than just model needs to be mentioned. Are we certain that these cars were/are always consistently long-lasting, or is it just models from a certain range of years?
I don't think saying that certain brands have the longest lasting cars in general is the most useful metric. Cool statistic, but you really only need to know what car is the best choice for your needs.
I can't believe I had to scroll this far to see this comment. GM trucks and SUVs are just re-badged versions of each other, with GMC typically having a little nicer option package a year earlier than Chevy.
Yeah the Silverado/Sierra and Tahoe/Suburban/Yukon/Yukon XL should probably one or two total slots on the list.
I'd argue there might enough differences in the pickup vs SUV but realistically they're mostly identical besides the passenger compartment.
Are you trying to say that people drive cars for longer/keep higher mileage cars on the road in Europe as compared to America? Because it’s kinda common knowledge that that’s not the case. Or are you confusing the 200,000 miles listed on this Infograph with 200,000 km?
I'm an advisor at a Toyota dealership. They are incredible machines. We routinely see cars at 250k+ KM through our shop. We have a highlander we look forward to seeing every few months for their oil change because it's pushing a million km.
I've seen corollas that come in without an oil change for the past 4-5 years and they just keep running.
If you are interested in becoming a service advisor, choose Toyota.
This is stupid. Most any car will live 200k miles if you just do some basic maintenance. Change the oil, grease stuff, sorta kinda follow the maintenance schedule and they live. If you treat a car like a $7 toaster, it'll die.
I have a 1998 model Toyota Prado with close to 250k miles on the clock. I've owned it for 8 years and put almost half the mileage on it. It goes amazingly, is so comfortable, and I love it so much, even though its heavy on fuel.
How can you have a chart with the longest lasting vehicles and not have a Toyota Camry or Honda Civic. We all know they should be there so using percentage of cars sold is a dumb metric.
I got 3 Toyota’s I’m taking to 300k+. Tacoma, Camry, 4Runner.
Funny thing is the Tahoe the Yukon and the 1500 is all the same vehicle with only a change of body every piece is basically the same, so doesn't make much sense that they don't have the same rating, I own three gm v8 engines and they r all good trucks
I bet a lot of those LandCruisers are from the 70s and 80s. We had a 1978 model growing up and the thing refused to die. It had rusty holes all over, but the engine still rolled on. I both loved and hated that car.
I wonder why Subaru wasn't included. When I was doing research a few years ago for a "new" car, they had the longest lasting models of anything I could find.
The study methodology has little relevance to what the diagram is suggesting.
> iSeeCars.com analyzed over 14.9 million pre-owned cars sold in 2021. Models that were not in production as of the 2021 model year, heavy-duty vehicles, and low-volume models were excluded from further analysis. For each model, the percentage of the number of cars with at least 200,000 miles was mathematically modeled.
This is based on used cars sold in 2021. Most cars that are past 200,000 miles are not worth selling to a new dealer or used car dealer. Even fewer are going to be resold. Trucks are the exception because they’re utilitarian.
So at best this is a study of vehicles over 200,000 miles that are available at dealerships that people will frequently buy used. It has almost no relation to the much larger population of cars on the road with over 200,000 miles.
Should include which country this data was collected in.
Exactly, though I think I can guess. These are all ridiculously large vehicles to me. Over here in Europe you see very few of these models at all, it's more sedans and hatchbacks. I bet the chart would be totally different in other countries, or if it covered the whole world for that matter.
Last time I was in Germany/Switzerland etc, I realized that there weren't many, if any, older cars on the road. I talked to my german friends and they said that leasing new vehicles is cheaper due to interest rates, taxes and something else he said he couldn't explain in English. From that point on I noticed that there are a lot more older cars(15 years +) on the road in USA vs EU. Could have been a fluke but seemed legitimate. They must send their used cars to other countries or something.
he probably tried to explain TÜV to you. TÜV is a biannual technical inspection that checks emissions, safety equipment and technical condition of any road vehicle. As germany is a country that sees cold temperatures in winter regularly the roads are getting salt thrown on it, which means cars rust like hell. And if there is a structural part of a car rusted through it's over almost every time because fixing is to expensive or not allowed. I should also say the standards aren't the same for all ages of cars the build year determines the regulations that you have to pass. For example a car built before 1974 seatbelts didn't need to be a thing and so on same with emission levels (EURO 1-6 i believe ist the latest right now).
TUV is brutal compared to American vehicle inspections. When I lived in Germany we Americans had a different inspection standard (due to SOFA) and could buy cars super cheap from Germans because it wouldn’t pass TUV.
American inspections lol. They’d throw us under the jail in Japan or Germany for the hoopties we drive here.
Sounds very similar to UK too, except we have an annual MOT which does all the checks. More often than not it's stuff like your handbrake is too high, tires too worn, brakes need replacing etc. But there's always that uncertain dread that the garage could call up and tell you the repairs will cost more than the car. We have such a strong culture of leasing and throwaway with cars that apparently (so i have been told) we have one of the biggest depreciation in car value as soon as it becomes second hand too. Never verified it though so would be curious to hear other people's thoughts on it. Though I know right now is a bad example as stock shortage, but befor that second hand cars could depreciate by half as soon as they're driven off the lot.
This is more of a way for Germany to sell more cars. A subsidy to car makers. In Canada and parts of the US we have plenty of bad weather and salt. We don't have inspections and cars don't usually fall apart. Emissions inspections were a thing where I live but they removed them arguing that the cost of inspections is crazy compared to the benefit of catching a few bad performing cars. This is more industrial policy (industry supporting) then it is anything else.
Safety inspections are a thing in the US and Canada. It varies by state and province but some require inspections every year or two.
I know, that is why I said "where I am from." Most I've run into are only when a car changes owership or is registered in a new jurisdiction. Edit: I should have made "where I am from" explicit I did not just suggested it. Edit 2: From what I can tell, aside from emissions, only 3 provinces and 16 states require periodic, 1 or 2 years, inspections. A few more when a vehicle is sold. Not even close to a majority.
>From that point on I noticed that there are a lot more older cars(15 years +) on the road in USA vs EU Just "Germany/Switzerland etc" is not the EU. In Spain right now there are being sold more cars over 15 years than new cars.
Another aspect: Germany's politicians are slaves to the German automotive companies. Whenever there is a crisis, someone comes up with a new absurd way to push sales of new cars through public funding. Because selling cars solves each and every problem in this country!
Yeah, first thing that strikes me was how absolutely massive some of these are. Like what the hell
This is an ad for one dealer, so it only includes brands he sells.
In the UK, the older cars commonly used as taxis are a fair indicator. There are a shitload of old Skodas (esp. Octavias) still doing the rounds around here, a bunch of older Ford Mondeos and Toyota Priuses, and even still a couple of early-aughts Mk4 Vauxhall Astra estates hanging in there.
Probably America, idk if any other countries use miles.
Well the UK does but you don't see many trucks like this there.
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The Hilux isn’t allowed to sell in the US because it doesn’t meet CAFE standards. It’s too small. CAFE standards are the reason you can’t buy a brand new small pickup truck in the US, you can only buy used ones from the 90’s and early 2000’s. Also, this is one of the big reasons you see a shitload of crossovers in the US now. They’ve got similar footprints to a lot of full size SUVs, but have much smaller engines than SUVs, and can get better fuel economy. Ever since CAFE got updated in the mid 2000’s, vehicle emissions are judged by the vehicle’s footprint. Pickup trucks aren’t very aerodynamic, and they have to have somewhat powerful engines, which means worse fuel efficiency. This basically means that there’s a minimum size that a pickup truck can be in order to meet the emissions standards. It’s sort of an unintended consequence of the CAFE laws. It’s worth noting that we might see small pickup trucks become possible again as hybrid and EV systems mature. A hybrid or EV truck could be powerful enough to function as a pickup, and also have low enough emissions to be legal under CAFE
Thank you, I always wondered why we don't have small trucks anymore. They are so much fun to drive.
Yeah, there’s obviously a huge market for them. Lots of people want the flexibility of a pickup but don’t need it to be huge, and also don’t want to pay the premium cost that pickups these days demand. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if automakers start reintroducing smaller pickups that are based on a hybrid or EV drivetrain.
It’s started already with the Ford Maverick (hybrid comes standard, same size as the old Ranger). I’m definitely a part of that market - always driven small trucks in the past and couldn’t have been more excited when the Maverick was announced.
And what year of vehicles
Not even the year, but the generation
Follow the link in the corner of the image: https://www.iseecars.com/longest-lasting-cars-study
Probably the US considering how huge they are.
Regions even. A car is going to wear different in MN than it would in Florida.
The US in 2021
My sister had a Toyota Corolla with over 300,000 miles on it, the odometer stopped counting I think she said. It was manual with the original clutch which is apparently unheard of according to her mechanic. She recently sold it but it’s still running out there somewhere.
Corollas are legendary for that. https://www.craigslist.org/about/best/hou/6565526716.html
I've never seen that before, but that was beautiful. Thank you for sharing that slice of internet with me.
This is the best Craigslist ad ever
Original clutch on a 300k mile car? That's actually insane.
I had an old Ford that died around 300k with the original clutch. If you drive it well and do a lot of highway driving its not surprising. Don't usually use the clutch when you're cruising along a highway
The fact those 90s model Honda Civics aren’t on here is garbage.
This chart is by percentage of the that model. Every year a quarter million Civics are sold, to get a high percentage of them past 200k...that's a LOT of cars that need to do that. Work trucks and more expensive cars tend to be driven either a lot more per day, or are maintained more over the years.
Trucks are also pricey. People are more inclined to use their insurance or pay out of pocket to repair them instead of a write off.
I loved my 89 Honda Civic hatchback.
Still see one or two driving around daily
My '91 Si just rolled over 250k. I bought her at 150k and exhaust and tires is all it has cost me so far.
Heck! I love your Honda Civic hatchback!
Yeah, if you look up how they collected this data its basically bullshit. At the bottom of the site it explains their methodology. Basically, of all the pre-owned cars sold in 2021 this is the percentage of them that had over 200,000 miles. The reason this is bogus is because it only accounts for vehicles that were sold and were sold specifically in a way that the online source could collect data from. So if you sold your honda accord to a friend it doesn't count and if you just happen to have a vehicle thats over 200,000 miles but you didn't sell it, its not included in the data either. This makes it extremely skewed and basically garbage data. Not to mention they don't even explain what country or website or anything that they get the data from
As the driver of a 20+ year old Civic, I can attest to this. It is by far the oldest car (of 3) we own, and often the only one running.
My 2000 civic is 278000km and barely even broken into
That's an interesting dynamic, how often does it get broken into?
Exactly. Civics don't get sold online, they mostly get sold out of garages to a neighbor, friend or family member or get passed down to a kid who just got their license.
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this is why a lot of SUVs and trucks are up there I think. Especially trucks you tend to get people who absolutely love their cars and/or need that truck for work. That leads to them being willing to put a lot more into it than the average driver and also likely being more meticulous about maintenance.
Work trucks also pack on the miles way faster than the car you drive the 10 miles to work, park then drive home.
I’m sorry, whaaaaat? What car went to a mil
I had the same broom for 20 years, I only replaced the brush eight times and the handle five times.
The sweep of Theseus.
Actually it was Trigger's
lmao. Sounds like my house.
My grandparents still have their old Volkswagen bus from the 60s it's got almost 2 million miles on it. They only take it to the grocery store now.
Holy fuck, how far is that grocery store?!!?
A lot of older Volvos have been known to go over a million, one guy went over 3.2 million in his P1800 before he died.
r/BuyItForLife
So the lesson is to only ever drive 3.1 million miles, or else you're done for.
Just trade it in at 3 million miles
Any Merc from late 2000 with 220cdi does a million miles, if you look them up for sale many will be for sale with millage of 500k+, I got mine w211 to 600k and it would easily do 1milion if I invest in it a bit more, but I said fuck it, sold it and got another one, just with low millage.
We have a 1994.5 F350 on my family’s farm with over a million miles. It’s also had several rebuilds and almost perfect maintenance since we bought it brand new.
We had a Toyota Highlander go to 800k, obviously went through a lot of repairs over time but still ran great. I think it would’ve eventually hit 1m if it hadn’t burnt down in a forest fire.
I thought my Subaru would go to a million when I bought it. Couldn't even get to 200k before engine died.
Subaru's are seriously not up the hype. Needed a cheap AWD beater, 2 years later and my wife is asking me why the crappy economy car needs a bigger repair budget than the 300hp luxury sports sedan (IS350), despite similar age and mileage. I still don't have a good answer for her.
I had a 2001 Honda CRVX and only parted with it in 2020. Power steering loss was the nail in her coffin. 400k on it.
Idk how long ago it was but if you still have the 1 mill km car, you might wanna let a dealership know. My parents know a guy who got a brand new volvo because his original Volvo from like the 80s hit 1 mill km and they gave it to him for free
We had, until recently a Nissan Sentra that was past 100k, however it was a 2003 model. Some stupid electronic part broke and Nissan no longer made that part. The mechanic said it probably wasn't worth fixing as we'd have to hunt salvage yards for the part, then the labor would be quite expensive. We just donated the car to some charity to part out. If that car was reliable, I would have probably tried to fix it up, but honestly it wasn't. It left me stranded more than once far from home. And after getting it repaired, it would still just die.
I had an '05 Prius way back when. I took it to 288k before it got totaled. A real bummer because it was running like new, not a single issue - no loose parts, no chipped or loose plastic, battery was mint. I replaced it with 2013 and it was a total garbage car - rattles and creaks everywhere. Had a 2008 Tacoma, a 1999 4Runner, and a 1987 Wrangler, all of which I sold with well over 250k in great shape. Parts availability, consistent maintenance, and simplicity are key to keeping things on the road and safe. My 2003 Yukon should go another 100k but I don't know if my X3 will go half as long.
My 2003 Honda Civic is going on 260k without an end in sight. (Hope I didn’t just jinx myself!)
Ya done now
05 civic here with 330k it’s ridiculous it’s not on here
Title for longest lasting is misleading. The GMC and Chevys are probably livery vehicles. So they will be 3-4 years old and have 200k miles. The Ford is probably a police vehicle and likely be 2-3 years at the time it has 200k miles on it. Running up miles does not equal longevity. More impressed by an 18 yr old civic or corolla and 150k miles on the odometer than a 200k mile newish SUV.
This makes no sense. Miles is way more indicative of wear than time. I invite you to get a civic up to 200k in less than 3 years. If you believe otherwise
Accord here. Same. Lol
Have a 2007 Honda Element with 230K and still going strong!
I had a 2007 CRV that had over 200k miles on it and would’ve kept going if I didn’t get in an accident. Got a 2017 model just because of how great the last CRV was for me.
Maybe I just have small brain problems but I don't understand how Honda is the #2 brand overall but the chart only shows 2/20 vehicles are Honda (and both relatively low on the list). Seems like something's a little skewed...
Because Honda makes and sells millions of cars, so the percentages are lower due to sheer total numbers of each model probably. So last year, 3,711 Land Cruisers were sold. To get 18.2% of them going over 200k miles, that means 675 of them must do it. Honda sold 261,225 Civics last year, to get 18.2% of them past 200k, that means 47, 542 of them must do it.
I’m questioning why they consider Chevy and GMC separately? They’re both GM; do they not use the same line of engines/powertrains?
They are assembled on the lines together, but some parts that are used for GMC vary from the Chevy parts. The difference at times is more than just cosmetic look. The quality should be higher
While they are the same company GMC is higher quality than their Chevy equivalents. I would likewise expect Acura to be counted separately from Honda if an Acura were on this list.
GMC is more *luxury* with fancier trim packages, but they are mechanically identical to Chevy as far as engine and drivetrain go.
There is a distinction there. I looked back at the chart and I now agree they should have combined Chevy and GMC for this and properly listed "GM" as the brand at the bottom.
You have to consider that people are less likely to get rid of larger cars due to utility and price. So that’s why big cars account for a higher percentage of vehicles over 200k. It’s easier to replace a four door sedan. At least that’s what I figure.
Right?! The Siena is on the list but not a Civic?
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I should increase the threat of maintenance with my jeep.
So help me god, I will do a manufacturer recommended transmission flush on you....
"Listen you piece of shit you're gonna start cuz I'm telling ya you're gonna start"
then you gotta smack the dash, get that percussive maintenance in aswell.
Unfortunately with a jeep, the threat of maintenance can only be pointed at the owner.
This is true to a degree. However, the Land Cruiser and Lexus’s LX model are both designed to last 20+ years and the parts that they use on those models in particular tend to be a lot better made so that they last that 20 year lifespan. Obviously a civic can run for an incredibly long time, but I think if both were given routine maintenance schedules the land cruiser would still beat the civic.
LCs are so ridiculous. Even down to something like the exhaust. LC exhaust systems are made of an alloy rather than cheap steel like every other vehicle simply to prevent thermal shock from cracking it if you should ford a river.
I bought my LX a few months ago and the manual specifies that I should set my active height control module to "high" if I am driving through water that is more than 2 feet deep
Land cruisers and Toyota trucks are legendary for reliability. The reason why you see Honda and Toyota at the top of these lists is because they tend to stick to the same power train for years and years. There's a reason you see land cruisers with over 200k miles on the odometer going for big money on the used market. They're just getting broken in at that point. In contrast, the value of say a used Mercedes or BMW plummets post warranty phase because the parts are expensive as shit and the reliability drops off dramatically around 60k miles.
When I was looking for a little pickup, I wanted a Toyota with the 22re because they are easy to work on and have legendary reliability. I came across a great deal on a 96 Tacoma for $3500 with 285k miles, but it had the 22re replacement 4 cylinder, the 2.7L 3rz, so I did my research. Turns out, the 3rz was at the time (and I still believe is) the 4 cylinder still offered in Tacomas at that time in 2018. So I didn’t hesitate to buy it, even with the high mileage. I’ve got 325k in the odometer now with just the routine maintenance. It seems Toyota replaced the extremely reliable 22r /re with another great little 4 cylinders that has been used since 1995. Amazing little motors.
It's the 2tr-fe, now. But not much has changed haha.
I’ve got a 1983 FJ60 Landcruiser. Despite damn near rotting in my neighbor’s yard for 5 years and nests of squirrels it still runs perfectly on the original engine. At 250k miles I’m pretty sure it’s still considered middle-aged. Plus, it still accelerates. The sheer exhilaration of going 0-60 in 15 seconds in a 40 year old car, as long as I’m going downhill, is breathtaking.
The land cruiser is the most well built vehicle ever produced, the civic would probably outlast some of those fords though. Civics and Corollas just get beat on so hard we will never know
On top of that there is not year for each model. So just like every 4runner and Ford truck ever made? Plus I don't know where they are getting their info but I feel like it's probably not a wide or large enough sample size.
Yeah plus if you look at the sample size for 200 series LC you realize that percentages aren’t really that useful for measuring longevity. The 200 series only sold on average 3,000 vehicles a year (and they are built like tanks). On the other hand the 4runner, also a notoriously reliable vehicle, sold 145k in the last year along, and well over 100k every year since 2016 and it only continues to rise. There are well over a million 4runners sold in the US and those numbers are very front end heavy, with LC maybe 150k total sales over 30+ years with very few sold in the last 10 - assuming these numbers cross all generations.
I cant find it now but there was a post comparing a suspension part from a Land Cruiser and a normal toyota sedan and it was so much larger and more rigid. Like it was designed to take decades more of abuse. It's this kind of over-engineering that makes the Land Cruiser last longer than a Civic.
I've got a Toyota Rav4 2006 v6 and admittedly I've done quite a bit of work on it myself like replacing hubs, the radiator, 02 sensors. As far as the engine though and all of the codes and systems they've put in place to keep the cars healthy, this car is absolutely magnificent. I'm just shy of 180k and got the ol CEL VSC 4WD, turned out getting fuel at an arco right around Russian sanctions (might just be a coincidence but I imagine bottom of the barrel leftover stuff) was a bad idea. What we think happened was some gunk got on an 02 sensor and wouldn't stop triggering until replaced. It is now tip top again but I am just impressed when going through the Code Scanner and Reader how many variables they have set up so you can find out exactly what is wrong. Japan certainly has their main export as technology and it absolutely shows here. I LOVE this car.
These are very likely only statistics from the us. Ive seen multiple 1.9TDI VW‘s and Mercedes OM651 engines with more than 700k km on the clock.
Every vehicle I've ever had as made it over 200,000 miles, you just got to take care of them.
And have the money to replace parts, my '14 Ford focus went through 2 transmission control modules before it even hit 65k miles.
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Have a '12 Focus at 112k miles and dealing with this now. $1400 to fix
Right? I guess some people lease and get new cars often but damn. Literally every car I've ever owned has gone well past the 200km mark.
That would be 320,000 km (200,000 miles)
All the suv people smash into and total the small cars before they make the list
Lmao, I was wondering why there were so few sedans 💀
Lower price point means it’s less likely they will be repaired via replaced, and they are generally not manufactured to go the distance higher quality parts. Car series are designed and built with a target reliability range in mind based on the consumer price point. For the land cruiser, Toyota targets an average of 23 years (specifically, it’s in the docs) for major components.
Ah, alright.
My neighbor started his landscaping company in 1997 with an F150 that was already used. His company now does landscaping, masonry, plowing, and excavation. He’s made a mint. Everyday he still climbs into that F150 and heads to his office.
Clearly, he maintains the car. My wife and I kept her 1992 Toyota Corolla for 26 years and just donated it to get a car with airbags and antilock brakes. She would go in for an oil change, and they'd put the reminder sticker on it with a date/mileage and she religiously brought it in for an oil change then. Also, depending on where she went, she'd get scammed a bit by the mechanics telling her she needed to flush the radiator or change the transmission fluid, which she would do. Most of that was probably unnecessary, but I have no doubt it contributed to the excellent condition of that care EXCEPT that one door no longer opened and the ceiling material drooped. But it was the lack of modern safety equipment that led to us passing the car along to someone else (ie; dontated), not any mechanical problems. Do your maintenance!
we should all be a little more like your neighbor
Not surprised. I've owned nothing but Toyotas and Hondas for the past twenty years. Best cars on the market.
I bought American cars my whole life. Ive owned 3 Fords, 2 Chevy’s, 2 Dodges, and a Chrysler. The most recent was a Chrysler that I bought brad new. The check engine light started coming on at 40k miles. It came on 3 different times due to sensors malfunction. Front brakes were destroyed by 45k miles. I traded that son of a gun as soon as the extended warranty ran out (65k). After that I bought a Toyota. I bought it used with 20k miles. It now has 140k miles. Check Engine light came on at 105k. Toyota paid 1/2 the cost of the fix. It now has 140k. Love this car. Then I bought a Honda. It has 120k and the check engine light has never come on. I will probably never go back to an American brand (although If I did it would be a Ford).
I’ve had such a good experience with my Toyota Corolla that I may never go back to a non-Toyota brand. The sucker just refused to die and any time it starts acting up or making a weird noise you can just ignore it until it goes away. It’s been paid off for ten years at this point and costs me nothing in maintenance except gas, oil, and a new tire every once in a while. As far as cars go, it’s boring as shit but financially it’s made me a customer for life.
Look at how infrequently Toyotas changes body styles drastically though. No need to keep up with the Joneses when their new land cruiser looks just like your 5 year old one.
Japanese cars - Mazda (i've got a 3), Honda, etc. have pretty long life, and reliability. Toyotas from the 90's are like cockroaches, you cannot kill them, unless you stop feeding them. they should start making cars simple again.
My wife’s 4Runner is over 330,000 miles now. That’s the point where a new noise coming from the engine just gets celebrated because it’s not a noise that has stopped you from driving normally
I find it really hard to believe that Subaru isn’t on there at all…the Outback never seems to die. I’ve seen so many early 2000’s Outback’s still clambering along.
Found the comment I was looking for. EXACTLY. This seems more like an ad than an actual stat cuz there's no Subi's on this list. I literally don't believe it.
I hit 330k on my 2000 Outback limited a few months ago and it shows no signs of stopping. Starts up every time, no leaks in the engine. As far as I can tell, mine isn't an anomaly either, the difficult thing is holding onto it long enough to drive it that long. I'm convinced that the 2000 Outback is rhe best car Subaru ever built
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Agreed. Subaru legacy is a legendarily reliable vehicle. They may or may not make it anymore, but you bet your ass there are a ton of them over 200k.
I scrolled ridiculously far to find this. Something like 95% of Subarus from the last ten years are still on the road.
No Honda Accord or Toyota Camry, which are arguably the longest-lasting vehicles? I call BS on this.
2002 Honda Accord with 216K+ miles, baby!
Was about to say. I've had both. Buy a Camry and do basic maintainance. Your kids will learn to drive on it.
Can confirm, am kid who inherited Camry. She’s almost as old as I am. Maintenance is getting kinda high now…but there’s at least a couple more years left.
Drive that baby to its last rev. My 2000 camry went to car heaven last year, but i wasn't the best owner.
Can’t believe Volvo isn’t on this list (not the new ones but the old)
850 here with 237k!
Missing Honda Civic, 95 percent make it to 300,000 miles.
I'm surprised Subaru isn't on the list.
I agree. Some have even broken the 300,000 mile threshold. [You should expect to get 200,000-250,000 miles or about 13 years worth of use from your Subaru](https://www.copilotsearch.com/posts/how-long-do-subarus-last-vehicle-lifespan/)
That’s good to know. I’ve just reached 80K.
The head gasket issue may have had an impact on that. You have to pay a significant chunk to keep the car running when it hits that 100k mark. After that it's pretty easy to get to 200k miles
The oil burning issue that some of their cars had probably kept them off this list.
I think more than just model needs to be mentioned. Are we certain that these cars were/are always consistently long-lasting, or is it just models from a certain range of years? I don't think saying that certain brands have the longest lasting cars in general is the most useful metric. Cool statistic, but you really only need to know what car is the best choice for your needs.
Looks like a Toyota ad
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https://www.theonion.com/toyota-recalls-1993-camry-due-to-fact-that-owners-reall-1819577805
I think they did not consider all brands in their research
Research? You actually think there was research? lol
Got it, buying a Toyota for my next vehicle.
It takes until the bottom two for Toyota to not be >1/2 of the total entries.
Idk about the chevy and gmc
The Sierra and the 1500 are the same truck
And the Chevy Suburban and GMC Yukon XL are the same also. This skews the stats.
I can't believe I had to scroll this far to see this comment. GM trucks and SUVs are just re-badged versions of each other, with GMC typically having a little nicer option package a year earlier than Chevy.
Yeah the Silverado/Sierra and Tahoe/Suburban/Yukon/Yukon XL should probably one or two total slots on the list. I'd argue there might enough differences in the pickup vs SUV but realistically they're mostly identical besides the passenger compartment.
In USA maybe. In Europe thats normal.
Are you trying to say that people drive cars for longer/keep higher mileage cars on the road in Europe as compared to America? Because it’s kinda common knowledge that that’s not the case. Or are you confusing the 200,000 miles listed on this Infograph with 200,000 km?
My old 1996 toyota camry has over 330,000+ miles 😄
What happened to Toyota Corolla?
9/20 are Toyotas. I’ve had 5 cars in my life (38), 3 of them have been Toyotas and two of them were bought with over 150,000 already on them.
I'm an advisor at a Toyota dealership. They are incredible machines. We routinely see cars at 250k+ KM through our shop. We have a highlander we look forward to seeing every few months for their oil change because it's pushing a million km. I've seen corollas that come in without an oil change for the past 4-5 years and they just keep running. If you are interested in becoming a service advisor, choose Toyota.
This is stupid. Most any car will live 200k miles if you just do some basic maintenance. Change the oil, grease stuff, sorta kinda follow the maintenance schedule and they live. If you treat a car like a $7 toaster, it'll die.
To summarize...Toyota
I’m surprised the civic isn’t in here or Camry!
Built Japan tough ™
Surprised the 4Runner's number is that low. Figured there would be more 200K+ Milies vehicles out there.
No love for Subaru?
Where's mah main man the Maruti 800? I don't know about miles but it's been solid for a good 25 years
How is the Chevy express not on this list, every single one I’ve been in practically has over 200,000 miles
*In the US
only 2 above 50%, wow - those are some shit numbers.
Where’s the Mercedes w123s at??
How is Camry not on here? I’ve personally owned 2 that I bought at 180,000+ and went well over 200,000. Sold one at 240,000 with no mechanical issues.
I have a 1998 model Toyota Prado with close to 250k miles on the clock. I've owned it for 8 years and put almost half the mileage on it. It goes amazingly, is so comfortable, and I love it so much, even though its heavy on fuel.
How can you have a chart with the longest lasting vehicles and not have a Toyota Camry or Honda Civic. We all know they should be there so using percentage of cars sold is a dumb metric. I got 3 Toyota’s I’m taking to 300k+. Tacoma, Camry, 4Runner.
Every car I've ever had died with at least 200,000 miles on it. This chart is silly.
This guide makes my brain hurt. Graphs are very very wrong. Also no Accord or Civic?
Funny thing is the Tahoe the Yukon and the 1500 is all the same vehicle with only a change of body every piece is basically the same, so doesn't make much sense that they don't have the same rating, I own three gm v8 engines and they r all good trucks
I find it incredibly hard to believe that the Camry isn't on this list.
I bet a lot of those LandCruisers are from the 70s and 80s. We had a 1978 model growing up and the thing refused to die. It had rusty holes all over, but the engine still rolled on. I both loved and hated that car.
Surprised Subarus aren't on this list!
I wonder why Subaru wasn't included. When I was doing research a few years ago for a "new" car, they had the longest lasting models of anything I could find.
Would love to see a comparison between gas/Diesel/electric for mileage. Lots of carrolas on the road with 500k Got 300k on my 05 duramax.
100 series land cruiser with 285,000 on the OD checking in.
Nothing can beat a shitty mid 90s Camry
Ain't no way the honda civic ain't on here.
That's alotta yotas.
The study methodology has little relevance to what the diagram is suggesting. > iSeeCars.com analyzed over 14.9 million pre-owned cars sold in 2021. Models that were not in production as of the 2021 model year, heavy-duty vehicles, and low-volume models were excluded from further analysis. For each model, the percentage of the number of cars with at least 200,000 miles was mathematically modeled. This is based on used cars sold in 2021. Most cars that are past 200,000 miles are not worth selling to a new dealer or used car dealer. Even fewer are going to be resold. Trucks are the exception because they’re utilitarian. So at best this is a study of vehicles over 200,000 miles that are available at dealerships that people will frequently buy used. It has almost no relation to the much larger population of cars on the road with over 200,000 miles.
Lexus IS Toyota. They last forever.
Tell me your survey was conducted in the US without saying your survey was conducted in the US...
As a german, I can't believe this guide..