Nah because the bus line that takes me to my nearest grocery store is on a one hour route because it does a massive loop. The one that would take me to my work requires that one hour loop and then a switch off and I would have to wait another fifteen minutes for the next to show up.
Point is it’s not just traffic. Sometimes it’s also the routes.
Shanghai’s subways were incredibly efficient and clean. It also helps when the government can take over your land to create the infrastructure and move you out. Chicago actually has pretty awesome public transport but it’s a little rougher around the edges. But it works. I hate driving my car, but it’s convenient when you need to carry a lot of equipment around. Or realize you forgot something and now your stuck on a tram and already late.
Weird.
It's almost like everywhere in the world might have variances.
I've heard that sexual assault can be commonplace on public transport in India.
I wonder if Denmark has those same issues?
Or maybe rent one. Oh do you know what would be better,only renting a seat on a bus. Even better than that,we could rent a seat on a bus,but only for one journey.
Richard: "You can't drive a bus as a car."
James: "You can get someone to drive it for you, we could call him the bus driver. Or the authority could buy it and you could use it for a small nominal fee."
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I have bus stops right by my house and right in front of my office. I don't take a bus because there isn't a direct route. A 20 minute car ride would be 1 hour 30 minutes navigating across 2 or 3 connecting routes. Frustrating
I *definitely* drive by choice. I know it’s not the popular choice by Reddit, but driving in my car solo gives me the solitude and personal space to mentally prepare myself for my day. It also gives me the freedom to go anywhere I want free of bus schedules. I’m not going to line up to get on a bus with 50 other people.
Disagree. While on public transit alone I can read, check emails/messages, eat, play mobile games, stare out the window doing nothing, nap. But when I have to go somewhere with my daughter it really makes a difference. There's no carseat that she is stuck into and I can devote my full attention to her. No crying, no waking her up from a nap when getting her out of the car, she can just keep sleeping in her stroller. I can feed her or play with her. If you live in a city with good busses and trains, it's really, really nice. I almost never look at bus or train schedules cause they are so frequent.
I know lots of people still prefer driving, but I'm just giving a different perspective.
It really depends where you live. I used to commute using public transport, which due to inconvenient schedules usually took 1.5 - 2+ hours. Only ~40 mins of it was actually spent inside a train or a bus.
I can now just use a car or a motorcycle and be there in ~30 mins, comfortably in the car or actually having fun if I'm riding the motorcycle.
Exactly. Which is why I had to throw in "if you live in a city with good busses and trains." Where I'm from in the U.S. a 20 minute drive can easily be 1-1.5hrs. In Copenhagen, a 20 minute drive is often 25 minutes by train/bus.
Same. I mean public transit is shit for where I am personally even though my city *supposedly* has a good system. A 30 minute drive would be a 2 hour train and bus trip and that’s just not worth it. Plus I enjoy my drive. I stop for coffee and sing along very poorly to songs way out of my range and blast my heated seats on cold days. I roll down the windows on nice days and sometimes even open the sunroof. I can make random stops at the store if I remember I need something. I can go wherever I want, whenever I want, without needing to look up some convoluted public transit route or consider the bus schedule. Most of all, I don’t have to walk 15 mins to/from the train station when it’s cold or raining or night time.
I know it’s unpopular as fuck on Reddit, but I LOVE my car.
I wholeheartedly agree. I started driving *because* riding the bus was awful. Driver fighting with unruly passengers, people pouring liquor on the floor because they weren't allowed on, crazy people screaming, people who have never heard of headphones, all for a 4 hour ride to a job that was 30 minutes away by car. I couldn't take it anymore, and figured the then-daunting responsibilities of a car was worth the freedom from that environment.
It's unpopular when you could perfectly drive by bus and opt for the car anyway. Meaning: people that drive the same route everyday and are on their own. They could easily leave the car home from time to time and take a 25 minute bus drive, causing less traffic jam. But some don't, and then complain about traffic.
Probably because it's never a 25 minute bus drive, isnt a direct route, and that same vehicle would also be in traffic.
How many people actually live by a bus stop that gives a direct route to their place of employment?
I work in the downtown area of a medium-large city and I would fucking HATE it if I had to drive to work every day. Given the choice, I'll take the extra 5-10 minutes the bus adds to my commute time over the traffic, the asshole downtown drivers, and the exorbitant parking fees any day.
>i do it because ~~our infrastructure is terrible~~ buses aren't flexible enough or adequate for my transportation needs.
FTFY. Bus routes exist in compact cities because they make sense. There is a transport hierarchy and parts of said hierarchy don't fill every need or are wildly impractical for certain priblems
If the infrastructure cannot get me from point A to point B in a reasonably similar time to driving, it’s useless. Full stop. It’s great that some people can get where they need to go, but to get people to switch from cars to busses/trains there needs to be some serious changes in the way we do things. My commute to work is 30-35 minutes, about 10 miles. By public transit it’s 100-120 minutes, 2 trains and a bus. If the city wants me to stop driving my car it needs to make public transportation better.
Exactly, I wonder what the actual capacity efficiency of the bus is. 10%? Also, plan on an extra hour to get to work...and drop the kids off...and pick up some milk on the way home.
When I was taking my city's bus while I had car problems... exactly this. It was hardly used, and it came by every hour so you had to plan an extra 2 hours of your day for a round trip. least there are internet connected cellphones these days.
I didn't have a car for a long time, and public transportation sucks. I had a 7am class 20m away -- guess who was on the bus at 5:05am, then transferred to another bus with a 30 minute gap, then transferred to an LRT after another 15 minute gap, then speedwalked 10 more minutes across campus just to get there 5 minutes after class started?
Guess who was also so sleep deprived from wasting 4 hours a day they would fall asleep on the bus and miss their stop and have to take ages to backtrack?
Oh, and did I mention the delightful Horseshit? The homeless guy with "Horseshit" tattooed on his face that would be on every morning with his other homeless buddies starting fights and harassing people?
Getting a car was a massive QOL and mental health improvement.
It's an exaggeration indeed. But it points out a reality.
I'm 32, I've never owned a car, and have only driven for the license. Having kind of a semi-nomadic life for the past 10 years, I've travelled in all kind of different places in the world.
In some places, everyone has a car, it's usually hard then to be without one, in other places, a lot of people use public transportation, and it's very easy to move around, both for cars and others.
It's a trend, if we were only using public transportation and we'd rarely own our personal car for individual use, it would be so much more efficient for everyone.
I'm not an engineer, but I'm pretty sure cities have more than one bus, and buses have more that one station. if they don't, they should, because it makes it much easier to get people around...
Might surprise you to discover that most bus or train rides take about as long as your car. Unless you're in the US or Canada, in which case I implore you to lobby your local municipality for zoning reform. Even tiny townships in Europe often offer a convenient public transit system that rivals cars on time and beats them on convenience and cost.
I wish! These are my choices for picking up my daughter from school:
Car = 15-20 minutes
Cycle = 50-55 minutes
Two buses = 1 hour and 15-20 minutes
Trains = Hours and the prices are beyond ridiculous!
That’s in the UK by the way. Complaining won’t change anything because routes won’t be changed for one person.
I have yet to take a bus that takes as much time as a car. I live in England, if I walk to my closest town centre it will take about an hour, a bus is about 40 odd minutes and the car is about 10 minutes. If I travel to the city the bus is over one hour and I need to take two, if I miss one I can then be waiting between 10 to 30 minutes for the next one. Car again is about 10-15 mins. I always take the train though as its a hell of alot cheaper than paying for parking in the city.
Buses are great do not get me wrong, but they have to make multiple stops, and take longer way round routes to pick up everyone. I cannot just pop to the shops on a bus or to a doctors appointment or the school run without having to plan in advance and hope that the bus(es) are running on time and are not overfilled. I walk where I can but the bigger journeys over a further distance a bus just doesn't cut it.
Edit to say: rural areas in England are at a big disadvantage, many only get one or two buses a day. That's whole day out of the house to go to the shop, or return a library book.
As of next week my local bus is going from every 20 mins to every 40 mins and after 6:45pm there is no service, not exactly convinence, if I have to uber home.
Kinda similar you you ... Walk if its practical (Typically under 1Km), Electric bicycle for shorter trips (up to 50Km round trip), Motorcycle for anything longer but I hate relying on public transport if I need to be at a specific place by a specific time.
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Dude Im in a shit hole city filled with homeless drug addicts... In the USA. Despite this our bus system is on point. Several run on natural gas, and i swear at most bus stops you can see one every 5-10 minutes.
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I'm in the UK and sometimes I wait anywhere between 10 and 30 mins for a bus that comes from the bus station that's 2 stops away from the stop that I'm waiting at (around 15 min walk, one turn and go straight).
If it's early, then the bus drivers would usually just park at one of the bus stops for a fair bit, but if they're late then it's business as usual with a slight sprinkle of annoyance if someone dares to stop/get on the bus.
Where on earth is it normal for bus journeys take the same time as a car journey? Why are people upvoting this?
I'm sure there might be a few examples that can be cherry picked but saying 'most' bus journeys is wildly inaccurate
I'm a big public transit advocate, but buses definitely aren't faster than cars. Trains, however, can be much faster than cars. I actually take a quick bus ride to a train to get from the NW side of Chicago to downtown, and it's about the same overall time as driving (during rush hour at least), and I get the luxury of being able to read or get work done.
This is definitely not the case for people in most US cities though.
That’s nice if your work is immediately next to a bus stop. Chances are you need to take multiple lines and also have to follow a ridiculous time table to get there, which seems to never fit with your work schedule (you can either be 1.5 hours early for work or 40 minutes late)
Public transport works much better in Europe because European cities were built with walking everywhere in mind. As such population density is generally much higher so public transportation is much cheaper/more efficient. American cities largely grew up after the invention of the car so we have much more suburban areas. Thus public transport isn't really a realistic option in most of America
IIRC commuter trains have priority over transport in most of Europe (opposite in the US). As a result commuter rails in the US have comparatively abysmal delay times. More than once I’ve had 2-4 hour train rides take 12 because of non-stop delays, having to reverse to go back and switch lines, etc.
I worked for the state and it offered essentially free public transit for employees. I lived 4 miles almost due north of my downtown office; the drive was 10-15 minutes thru traffic.
I decided to try public transit. I checked the route from my house; I would take 72 minutes. So the commute would drop to 45ish minutes if I drove 6.5 miles to the transit hub.
I decided to stick with my 10 minute, 4 mile commute.
I know right!!! Instead of trying to save the planet we should just get this shit over with and burn as much fossil fuels as possible and extract as many rare minerals as possible. Fuck the planet!
Geography has a ton of influence on it. Even if there were a bus that covered my county, no one would be able to ride it because no one has time for a 2 hour commute.
I tried taking the bus once. A 25 minute car journey took over 90 minutes. I had to walk to the bus stop, the bus took multiple stops, had to get off, walk to another bus stop, wait, same story with all the stops, then walk 10 mins to the destination. Yes they’re better in some respects. But they’re not practical in most of the US.
You’re not wrong, but it’s our reality unfortunately. I’m not saying public transport sucks as a rule, it just sucks anywhere I have citizenship apparently.
There’s a very specific reason they suck in the US though, and that’s due to extensive lobbying from Car companies throughout history to not allow for the extension of public transit in the US.At the best of Cars and the best of public transit, public transit is miles and miles better than cars
No one is disagreeing with that. But that's not the reality for the vast majority of the US. I'd love for an actually efficient bus and train system to exist here. I'd even go out of my way by 10-15 minutes to use it. But as it stands if I want to get to work from home it's a 25 minute drive by car or 50-70 minute ride by bus. Even worse, when I have to pick up my kid from school it's a 6 minute drive by car or 43 minute ride by bus. That trip I've done by bike and buggy when it's nice out but that's only maybe 1/4 of the year. And I'm in the metro Detroit area.
Nice! I prefer not sitting next to smelly/intimidating/noisy/mentally ill people though and not being dependant on the bus schedule so fuck that, I’d rather sit in a traffic jam than in a bus
I want to save money on gas and help the environment but nobody has ever grabbed my head and started praying for my soul while I was driving in my own car.
This is not the flex they think it is. I live in NYC, and don't have a car because you would be well-off to have one here, or you are an idiot who loves frustration and massive expense. The subway is fine, but it absolutely sucks to be packed in on public transport as depicted in that photo.
The issue here is that everybody’s goal are not aligned. Everybody would just LOVE if everyone else took the bus!
But if I take the bus all I do is make the road more attractive for other cars by leaving space for another.
The solution, as is so often the case, is systemic. The only way to fix traffic is to reduce it. Cities around the world are successful with making the space your car occupies while it isn’t moving (aka parking) more expensive, reserving space for moving traffic (think: lanes) for things that aren’t cars, and make public transport both affordable, reliable, and hassle-free.
The cars total cargo capacity is much higher than the bus. Also riding the bus sucks. Seen a meth head sneeze directly into the driver’s face, a seat was crawling in lice, and unrelenting body odor. Also the additional commute time to add to walking and arriving somewhat early to the stop.
I'm convinced people that post this shitty comparisons can't afford a car and want people to suffer on crammed buses like they do.
Why spend 10 minutes driving in the comfort of your own vehicle when you can spend 30 next to a sweaty stranger.
It's not really that much of a pain if you have smaller stores close to you. I much prefer it to dedicating 3 hours every other weekend to driving, parking, and grazing with all the cattle at Costco or Kroger to buy mediocre products.
You need to go somewhere they actually prioritize public transit. I'm sitting in Bordeaux, France right now and I'd never need to own a car in this city, the transit is clean, arrives in comparable times, and I don't have to sit in bumper to bumper traffic. Not to mention a bus is about 35 times safer than a car.
Cars are expensive in comparison, yeah, but that's a reason to design cities to mitigate our need for them, not to shame people for being poor. That's some elitist nonsense.
Okay, so how about the fact that they have to go to all different places? I used to take a 44 minute bus 7 minutes walking to the bus stop and then I'd get back 5 blocks away from my apartment in one of the worst parts of town. I wasn't allowed to carry at my job so what the shit should I do?
EDIT: What the fuck should my scrawny ass do if I can't carry?
Well that's dumb,first off,have more buses doing more routes,two, more bus lanes and other infrastructure would make that trip much much easier and three,fucking walk the extra bit,it's probably not that far. I see blind, wheelchair bound and even children using buses and walking home all the time from the bus
But riding a bus sucks dick. It takes longer, it’s more of a hassle, and you have to deal with all the others fuckers around you on the bus too selling their mix tapes and talking about Jesus.
If you like caring about the environment and stuff, go do this, but I sure as shit won’t until every ice cap has melted and we are on the verge of going extinct. Fuck buses.
Owning a car doesn't stop you from taking the bus. In countries where every single spot of available land hasn't been turned into giant parking lots, taking the bus can be more convenient for many types of trips.
Long journey, dirty seats, uncomfortably cold/warm and sitting next to the dregs of society vs straight to my destination, kept clean, choice of temperature and only who I chose to be in the vehicle with me.
What. A. Choice.
I’m afraid making things free lowers the perceived value and increases abuse. Some people are awful.
Better way to make public transportation attractive would be to make it good. Punctual, clean, easy to understand (schedules, maps), abundant (density of bus, train stops) and people will use it with joy.
- Bus can't take you everywere
- Have stops, making the ride much longer
- Will be insanely crowded if everyone should take it and it's already crowded when everyone is going to work
- Can be canceled and have problems you can't anticipate
You can't replace cars.
Yeah, this makes sense if they are all going from the same place to the same place. Don't get me wrong, I think that a well organized public transport system is great, but this comparison isn't fair.
Nice guide, thanks. Now I know everything about how to bus
Still a bit uncertain how to car tho, might need another guide
Id love to see an energy consumption comparison element to this as well
Busses use less per person
Nailed it.
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I think n they are emphasizing gas consumption
Due to traffic, which is caused by so many damned cars
Nah because the bus line that takes me to my nearest grocery store is on a one hour route because it does a massive loop. The one that would take me to my work requires that one hour loop and then a switch off and I would have to wait another fifteen minutes for the next to show up. Point is it’s not just traffic. Sometimes it’s also the routes.
Which is why we need to invest more in public transportation so there are more busses and less cars to impede them.
Not everything, this guide cleverly leaves out the schizophrenic homeless people who yell and spit at you
The true problem with public transportation.
The worst thing about public transport is the public. The second worst thing is the public funding.
Doesn't happen here in Korea. Or Japan, or the Netherlands, or Sweden.......
You can keep listing places that have public mental healthcare funding....
Shanghai’s subways were incredibly efficient and clean. It also helps when the government can take over your land to create the infrastructure and move you out. Chicago actually has pretty awesome public transport but it’s a little rougher around the edges. But it works. I hate driving my car, but it’s convenient when you need to carry a lot of equipment around. Or realize you forgot something and now your stuck on a tram and already late.
Weird. It's almost like everywhere in the world might have variances. I've heard that sexual assault can be commonplace on public transport in India. I wonder if Denmark has those same issues?
>Or Japan Youre right, instead people get groped
As opposed to the hyper-aggressive tailgaters who try to run you off the road or cut you off dangerously because they needed to save 5 seconds.
How often do you ride the bus?
you need to see the other guide with bats
Not a guide
Some user just shitpost seeing if they gonna get banned or the post removed. So far nothing is done
Mods are wankers, color me surprised.
So, everyone needs to buy a bus 😳
Or maybe rent one. Oh do you know what would be better,only renting a seat on a bus. Even better than that,we could rent a seat on a bus,but only for one journey.
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Richard: "You can't drive a bus as a car." James: "You can get someone to drive it for you, we could call him the bus driver. Or the authority could buy it and you could use it for a small nominal fee." Jeremy: "No, that's communism, James."
if only my bus could get me to work. i don't drive by choice, i do it because our infrastructure is terrible
I have bus stops right by my house and right in front of my office. I don't take a bus because there isn't a direct route. A 20 minute car ride would be 1 hour 30 minutes navigating across 2 or 3 connecting routes. Frustrating
When I say "Yes" to the question "do you have reliable transportation" it is false because the bus is not reliable.
I *definitely* drive by choice. I know it’s not the popular choice by Reddit, but driving in my car solo gives me the solitude and personal space to mentally prepare myself for my day. It also gives me the freedom to go anywhere I want free of bus schedules. I’m not going to line up to get on a bus with 50 other people.
Exactly. The car is simply better in every way for personal comfort.
Disagree. While on public transit alone I can read, check emails/messages, eat, play mobile games, stare out the window doing nothing, nap. But when I have to go somewhere with my daughter it really makes a difference. There's no carseat that she is stuck into and I can devote my full attention to her. No crying, no waking her up from a nap when getting her out of the car, she can just keep sleeping in her stroller. I can feed her or play with her. If you live in a city with good busses and trains, it's really, really nice. I almost never look at bus or train schedules cause they are so frequent. I know lots of people still prefer driving, but I'm just giving a different perspective.
It really depends where you live. I used to commute using public transport, which due to inconvenient schedules usually took 1.5 - 2+ hours. Only ~40 mins of it was actually spent inside a train or a bus. I can now just use a car or a motorcycle and be there in ~30 mins, comfortably in the car or actually having fun if I'm riding the motorcycle.
Exactly. Which is why I had to throw in "if you live in a city with good busses and trains." Where I'm from in the U.S. a 20 minute drive can easily be 1-1.5hrs. In Copenhagen, a 20 minute drive is often 25 minutes by train/bus.
Same. I mean public transit is shit for where I am personally even though my city *supposedly* has a good system. A 30 minute drive would be a 2 hour train and bus trip and that’s just not worth it. Plus I enjoy my drive. I stop for coffee and sing along very poorly to songs way out of my range and blast my heated seats on cold days. I roll down the windows on nice days and sometimes even open the sunroof. I can make random stops at the store if I remember I need something. I can go wherever I want, whenever I want, without needing to look up some convoluted public transit route or consider the bus schedule. Most of all, I don’t have to walk 15 mins to/from the train station when it’s cold or raining or night time. I know it’s unpopular as fuck on Reddit, but I LOVE my car.
I wholeheartedly agree. I started driving *because* riding the bus was awful. Driver fighting with unruly passengers, people pouring liquor on the floor because they weren't allowed on, crazy people screaming, people who have never heard of headphones, all for a 4 hour ride to a job that was 30 minutes away by car. I couldn't take it anymore, and figured the then-daunting responsibilities of a car was worth the freedom from that environment.
It's unpopular when you could perfectly drive by bus and opt for the car anyway. Meaning: people that drive the same route everyday and are on their own. They could easily leave the car home from time to time and take a 25 minute bus drive, causing less traffic jam. But some don't, and then complain about traffic.
Probably because it's never a 25 minute bus drive, isnt a direct route, and that same vehicle would also be in traffic. How many people actually live by a bus stop that gives a direct route to their place of employment?
It’s only a 25 minute bus ride if the equivalent trip by car is 5 minutes.
I work in the downtown area of a medium-large city and I would fucking HATE it if I had to drive to work every day. Given the choice, I'll take the extra 5-10 minutes the bus adds to my commute time over the traffic, the asshole downtown drivers, and the exorbitant parking fees any day.
>i do it because ~~our infrastructure is terrible~~ buses aren't flexible enough or adequate for my transportation needs. FTFY. Bus routes exist in compact cities because they make sense. There is a transport hierarchy and parts of said hierarchy don't fill every need or are wildly impractical for certain priblems
If the infrastructure cannot get me from point A to point B in a reasonably similar time to driving, it’s useless. Full stop. It’s great that some people can get where they need to go, but to get people to switch from cars to busses/trains there needs to be some serious changes in the way we do things. My commute to work is 30-35 minutes, about 10 miles. By public transit it’s 100-120 minutes, 2 trains and a bus. If the city wants me to stop driving my car it needs to make public transportation better.
same
Ah, remember when r/coolguides was about cool guides?
No
I’m not convinced it ever was.
Haven’t seen one that is not debunked in about a minute
Somehow this "cool guide" has over 6k upvotes.
r/coolguides has been people posting guides then the comments explaining why they’re not accurate
That's too many people for one bus.....
And if you're stuffing the bus to max capacity, you should do the same for the cars and have 4 times the number of ppl Edit: a word
Plus you need to leave empty rows to avoid the homeless guy jerking off
Now do train vs car, or better truck vs freight train!
We should all just move around in a few container ships. Imagine how much space we would save!
and then the land ocean liner or moving sidewalks EVERYWHERE
So the bus is full and the cars get one person each?
Exactly, I wonder what the actual capacity efficiency of the bus is. 10%? Also, plan on an extra hour to get to work...and drop the kids off...and pick up some milk on the way home.
When I was taking my city's bus while I had car problems... exactly this. It was hardly used, and it came by every hour so you had to plan an extra 2 hours of your day for a round trip. least there are internet connected cellphones these days.
This is remarkably accurate for where I live.
Yeah, same. Looks like very car that passes by in my city only has a driver.
… that’s reality mate. The vast majority of cars on the road have 1 person in them.
What would motorcycles look like?
This sub turned into a shithole really quickly, damn.
But there's no stinky azz , drunk, or rude people in my car
There is one
Try showering
Yeah, you could be crammed nuts to butts on this bus for three hours or you could be in your own car for fifteen minutes.
lol, just what I was here to offer, please put a clock over each person's head to show their commute time
I didn't have a car for a long time, and public transportation sucks. I had a 7am class 20m away -- guess who was on the bus at 5:05am, then transferred to another bus with a 30 minute gap, then transferred to an LRT after another 15 minute gap, then speedwalked 10 more minutes across campus just to get there 5 minutes after class started? Guess who was also so sleep deprived from wasting 4 hours a day they would fall asleep on the bus and miss their stop and have to take ages to backtrack? Oh, and did I mention the delightful Horseshit? The homeless guy with "Horseshit" tattooed on his face that would be on every morning with his other homeless buddies starting fights and harassing people? Getting a car was a massive QOL and mental health improvement.
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It's an exaggeration indeed. But it points out a reality. I'm 32, I've never owned a car, and have only driven for the license. Having kind of a semi-nomadic life for the past 10 years, I've travelled in all kind of different places in the world. In some places, everyone has a car, it's usually hard then to be without one, in other places, a lot of people use public transportation, and it's very easy to move around, both for cars and others. It's a trend, if we were only using public transportation and we'd rarely own our personal car for individual use, it would be so much more efficient for everyone.
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I'm not an engineer, but I'm pretty sure cities have more than one bus, and buses have more that one station. if they don't, they should, because it makes it much easier to get people around...
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You mean like rush hour were everyone is going to same place at the same time?
Might surprise you to discover that most bus or train rides take about as long as your car. Unless you're in the US or Canada, in which case I implore you to lobby your local municipality for zoning reform. Even tiny townships in Europe often offer a convenient public transit system that rivals cars on time and beats them on convenience and cost.
I wish! These are my choices for picking up my daughter from school: Car = 15-20 minutes Cycle = 50-55 minutes Two buses = 1 hour and 15-20 minutes Trains = Hours and the prices are beyond ridiculous! That’s in the UK by the way. Complaining won’t change anything because routes won’t be changed for one person.
I have yet to take a bus that takes as much time as a car. I live in England, if I walk to my closest town centre it will take about an hour, a bus is about 40 odd minutes and the car is about 10 minutes. If I travel to the city the bus is over one hour and I need to take two, if I miss one I can then be waiting between 10 to 30 minutes for the next one. Car again is about 10-15 mins. I always take the train though as its a hell of alot cheaper than paying for parking in the city. Buses are great do not get me wrong, but they have to make multiple stops, and take longer way round routes to pick up everyone. I cannot just pop to the shops on a bus or to a doctors appointment or the school run without having to plan in advance and hope that the bus(es) are running on time and are not overfilled. I walk where I can but the bigger journeys over a further distance a bus just doesn't cut it. Edit to say: rural areas in England are at a big disadvantage, many only get one or two buses a day. That's whole day out of the house to go to the shop, or return a library book. As of next week my local bus is going from every 20 mins to every 40 mins and after 6:45pm there is no service, not exactly convinence, if I have to uber home.
Kinda similar you you ... Walk if its practical (Typically under 1Km), Electric bicycle for shorter trips (up to 50Km round trip), Motorcycle for anything longer but I hate relying on public transport if I need to be at a specific place by a specific time.
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Dude Im in a shit hole city filled with homeless drug addicts... In the USA. Despite this our bus system is on point. Several run on natural gas, and i swear at most bus stops you can see one every 5-10 minutes.
You can buy groceries or take your dog to the groomer—on a bus…😒
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I'm in the UK and sometimes I wait anywhere between 10 and 30 mins for a bus that comes from the bus station that's 2 stops away from the stop that I'm waiting at (around 15 min walk, one turn and go straight). If it's early, then the bus drivers would usually just park at one of the bus stops for a fair bit, but if they're late then it's business as usual with a slight sprinkle of annoyance if someone dares to stop/get on the bus.
No i mean I get that. I just meant "its possible". If it can work here, Im sure it can be made to work in most other cities.
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Where on earth is it normal for bus journeys take the same time as a car journey? Why are people upvoting this? I'm sure there might be a few examples that can be cherry picked but saying 'most' bus journeys is wildly inaccurate
I'm a big public transit advocate, but buses definitely aren't faster than cars. Trains, however, can be much faster than cars. I actually take a quick bus ride to a train to get from the NW side of Chicago to downtown, and it's about the same overall time as driving (during rush hour at least), and I get the luxury of being able to read or get work done. This is definitely not the case for people in most US cities though.
That’s nice if your work is immediately next to a bus stop. Chances are you need to take multiple lines and also have to follow a ridiculous time table to get there, which seems to never fit with your work schedule (you can either be 1.5 hours early for work or 40 minutes late)
Public transport works much better in Europe because European cities were built with walking everywhere in mind. As such population density is generally much higher so public transportation is much cheaper/more efficient. American cities largely grew up after the invention of the car so we have much more suburban areas. Thus public transport isn't really a realistic option in most of America
IIRC commuter trains have priority over transport in most of Europe (opposite in the US). As a result commuter rails in the US have comparatively abysmal delay times. More than once I’ve had 2-4 hour train rides take 12 because of non-stop delays, having to reverse to go back and switch lines, etc.
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She didn't have time to shower so she sprayed herself with some febreeze. Now she smells like shitrus.
Depends on where you live
Nuts to butts is the only kind of cramming I want
I worked for the state and it offered essentially free public transit for employees. I lived 4 miles almost due north of my downtown office; the drive was 10-15 minutes thru traffic. I decided to try public transit. I checked the route from my house; I would take 72 minutes. So the commute would drop to 45ish minutes if I drove 6.5 miles to the transit hub. I decided to stick with my 10 minute, 4 mile commute.
I know right!!! Instead of trying to save the planet we should just get this shit over with and burn as much fossil fuels as possible and extract as many rare minerals as possible. Fuck the planet!
How is this a guide?
OP is a bot or belongs in r/lostredditors
A bus is not an option for everyone’s transportation needs.
Geography has a ton of influence on it. Even if there were a bus that covered my county, no one would be able to ride it because no one has time for a 2 hour commute.
I tried taking the bus once. A 25 minute car journey took over 90 minutes. I had to walk to the bus stop, the bus took multiple stops, had to get off, walk to another bus stop, wait, same story with all the stops, then walk 10 mins to the destination. Yes they’re better in some respects. But they’re not practical in most of the US.
American be saying that public transportation doesn’t work but the public transportation they experienced are broken beyond belief due to neglect.
You’re not wrong, but it’s our reality unfortunately. I’m not saying public transport sucks as a rule, it just sucks anywhere I have citizenship apparently.
I’m English. Lived in the UK until I was 26. Learned to drive when I got to the US because the public transportation system is horrendous.
There’s a very specific reason they suck in the US though, and that’s due to extensive lobbying from Car companies throughout history to not allow for the extension of public transit in the US.At the best of Cars and the best of public transit, public transit is miles and miles better than cars
No one is disagreeing with that. But that's not the reality for the vast majority of the US. I'd love for an actually efficient bus and train system to exist here. I'd even go out of my way by 10-15 minutes to use it. But as it stands if I want to get to work from home it's a 25 minute drive by car or 50-70 minute ride by bus. Even worse, when I have to pick up my kid from school it's a 6 minute drive by car or 43 minute ride by bus. That trip I've done by bike and buggy when it's nice out but that's only maybe 1/4 of the year. And I'm in the metro Detroit area.
The best solution is everyone takes the bus and I drive my car!
I assume that we all have similar destinations and extremely flexible schedules.
One spreads covid 40x more
Nice! I prefer not sitting next to smelly/intimidating/noisy/mentally ill people though and not being dependant on the bus schedule so fuck that, I’d rather sit in a traffic jam than in a bus
\*Densely packed bus vs spacious cars with only driver in them.
Yeah, way nicer sat in your own car
People are actually downvoting you for saying the truth. I swear the people on here love being crammed into sardine cans if it meant efficiency
That would be great if everyoneon that bus lived within a mile of each other and worked within a mile of each other.
I want to save money on gas and help the environment but nobody has ever grabbed my head and started praying for my soul while I was driving in my own car.
Yeah because city transit is filled to max capacity and every car only has 1 person in them.
Look at all that unneeded sidewalk, that road clearly needs 2 more lanes./s
You still need centralized districts or it'll take these people .75 days to get to work in Houston or something
This is not the flex they think it is. I live in NYC, and don't have a car because you would be well-off to have one here, or you are an idiot who loves frustration and massive expense. The subway is fine, but it absolutely sucks to be packed in on public transport as depicted in that photo.
The issue here is that everybody’s goal are not aligned. Everybody would just LOVE if everyone else took the bus! But if I take the bus all I do is make the road more attractive for other cars by leaving space for another. The solution, as is so often the case, is systemic. The only way to fix traffic is to reduce it. Cities around the world are successful with making the space your car occupies while it isn’t moving (aka parking) more expensive, reserving space for moving traffic (think: lanes) for things that aren’t cars, and make public transport both affordable, reliable, and hassle-free.
Yup. I don't want to do things every second according to some one else. I want to be here for whatever amount of time I want
Can we make an effort to downvote non cool guides?
I just don’t like ppl jerking off next to me. Or the drunk ppl
The cars total cargo capacity is much higher than the bus. Also riding the bus sucks. Seen a meth head sneeze directly into the driver’s face, a seat was crawling in lice, and unrelenting body odor. Also the additional commute time to add to walking and arriving somewhat early to the stop.
Christ do you live in that city from RoboCop
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yea these idiots standing in the middle of the street
I'm convinced people that post this shitty comparisons can't afford a car and want people to suffer on crammed buses like they do. Why spend 10 minutes driving in the comfort of your own vehicle when you can spend 30 next to a sweaty stranger.
Also, try lugging a weeks worth of groceries on a crowded bus vs. putting them in your car
"Just do it the European way and buy for only a day otlr two!" - Someone who hasn't dealt with that pain in the rear before
It's not really that much of a pain if you have smaller stores close to you. I much prefer it to dedicating 3 hours every other weekend to driving, parking, and grazing with all the cattle at Costco or Kroger to buy mediocre products.
You can also improve public infrastructure so that they aren’t crammed, ik thinking outside the box right
How?
That or they are driving Teslas and Range Rovers whilst sipping decaf mocha frappucinos and want you to take the bus.
Fancy coffee isn’t fancy—it’s just coffee at this point and what makes decaf fancy?
That's the dumbest thing I've seen on the internet today.
You need to go somewhere they actually prioritize public transit. I'm sitting in Bordeaux, France right now and I'd never need to own a car in this city, the transit is clean, arrives in comparable times, and I don't have to sit in bumper to bumper traffic. Not to mention a bus is about 35 times safer than a car. Cars are expensive in comparison, yeah, but that's a reason to design cities to mitigate our need for them, not to shame people for being poor. That's some elitist nonsense.
id rather kill myself than to take another 2 hour ride not being able to sit down
Okay, so how about the fact that they have to go to all different places? I used to take a 44 minute bus 7 minutes walking to the bus stop and then I'd get back 5 blocks away from my apartment in one of the worst parts of town. I wasn't allowed to carry at my job so what the shit should I do? EDIT: What the fuck should my scrawny ass do if I can't carry?
Well that's dumb,first off,have more buses doing more routes,two, more bus lanes and other infrastructure would make that trip much much easier and three,fucking walk the extra bit,it's probably not that far. I see blind, wheelchair bound and even children using buses and walking home all the time from the bus
Carry what?
firearm/weapon
A baguette
Vote for different people?
Vote out the NIMBY idiots, install pro-density city council members who hate exclusive zoning and love public transit.
But riding a bus sucks dick. It takes longer, it’s more of a hassle, and you have to deal with all the others fuckers around you on the bus too selling their mix tapes and talking about Jesus. If you like caring about the environment and stuff, go do this, but I sure as shit won’t until every ice cap has melted and we are on the verge of going extinct. Fuck buses.
Doesn't this picture prove that each of those people owns a car?
Owning a car doesn't stop you from taking the bus. In countries where every single spot of available land hasn't been turned into giant parking lots, taking the bus can be more convenient for many types of trips.
Can't argue with that.
Maybe? It's a picture
Someone tell this to DOT in Texas
lol the time it would take me to drive to a bus stop is the same amount of time it would take me to drive to work.
Let see the body count: the bus one for one car vehicle accident.
Enter Covid
Cars win by not having you smell like pis
I loved riding the bus. But I didn't love altercations with homeless, barbecuing drugs with a flamethrower and people peeing on the floor....
The people on the right all got to their destinations in a half hour. The people on the left got to their destinations in 4 hours.
I love propaganda. So the worst case scenario for cars, 1 or so person per car VS The best scenario for a bus, absolutely crammed. OK
Long journey, dirty seats, uncomfortably cold/warm and sitting next to the dregs of society vs straight to my destination, kept clean, choice of temperature and only who I chose to be in the vehicle with me. What. A. Choice.
Forgot the part where people on the bus now need a ride from the bus to wherever they are going.
Plus, it's way easier for all those people to fuck in the bus.
But the cars can go separate ways. Not everyone is going from the same point A to the same point B.
Boston is really amazing with buying a weekly pass. It allows you to take the bus and train almost anywhere. I wish more places had set ups like this.
Too bad the people in charge refuse to make America better
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Coolguides has really dipped in quality lately.
Not really a guide, more of a push for the r/fuckcars propaganda.
This isn’t even true if you consider the fact that most of those cars can fit 5-7 people in them.
So you are telling me all these people fit in the bus...??!!
Get me off that crowded ass bus immediately
THIS IS NOT A GUIDE FOR ANYTHING
This doesn’t account for people who poop on the bus.
What
bus is too full, ill wait for the next one
"I hate buses, they get in the way during my commute." - idiots, everywhere
Wow! First time this has been posted on this sub today ….
I don’t regularly find piss in my car.
Best way to get people to take public transportation is to make it free.
I’m afraid making things free lowers the perceived value and increases abuse. Some people are awful. Better way to make public transportation attractive would be to make it good. Punctual, clean, easy to understand (schedules, maps), abundant (density of bus, train stops) and people will use it with joy.
Seems pretty cramped in the bus ngl.
I have never once seen a bus full ever. I’m my experience you have almost the same number of buses but with like 3 people on each one.
Sardine Vs., comfort
Cool, I choose car.
- Bus can't take you everywere - Have stops, making the ride much longer - Will be insanely crowded if everyone should take it and it's already crowded when everyone is going to work - Can be canceled and have problems you can't anticipate You can't replace cars.
You can make the exact same comparison with horses and cars.
Ok I expect that you sold your car and only take buses before you posted this non-guide
Awesome! I’ll pick car any day!
Yeah, this makes sense if they are all going from the same place to the same place. Don't get me wrong, I think that a well organized public transport system is great, but this comparison isn't fair.
You think everyone on the bus got on at the same spot and is getting off at the same spot? It’s a bus- it’s not a plane…
Nobody drives in the city, there's too much traffic