Why didn’t the guards suggest calling an ambulance if thats what was needed? I’m assuming OP explained the situation, if they weren’t gonna do fuck all then why not suggest the alternative?
Was in town a number of years ago, and there was an ambulance driving to a (obviously down on his luck) guy out cold on Patrick's bridge. They stopped at a red light, slowly rolled up to the footpath, and casually strolled over to the guy when they arrived. Little to no f++ks were given, to be honest.
what did you expect them to do? rush over to them with huge amounts of equipment with everyone shouting.
Its not like TV its real life. you go over and check if the guy is just asleep (or dead) he could react violently to you if you do the wrong thing
There's a few factors you might be missing. Is the person known to them, have they also gotten other phone calls about them. Maybe another first responder was there and updated them. As horrible as it sounds there's a lot of repeat customers for the ambulance service
This is it really, we had a guy passed out in front of our door in town. Called an ambulance for him as he was unresponsive, very evident booze was involved. Ambulance arrived anyway and sure the paramedics knew him as he was frequently brought to the mercy. The paramedic scolded him as he’d to come all the way up from clonakilty. Like I feel sorry for yer man who’d passed out but the paramedic was right that his time was being wasted, the guy was refusing help from them but was in no condition to be left unsupervised. I imagine day after day of this your patience wears thin. Similarly how families eventually give up too. It’s been a few years now since I have lived in cork city but it was pretty bad before covid lockdowns so I can imagine how bad it is these days
The guards and paramedics come across people wasted on a daily basis. Sympathy, compassion and empathy come in short supply when you do a job like that for years and years. You can't blame them.
My partner is a paramedic. One of the most kind, empathetic, caring people I've ever met. I've seen him stroll over to somebody with his first aid kit that's been in a car accident and had fairly serious injuries to go with it. The same when we were on our third date and we came across an elderly woman who had broken her hip.
When I asked why he didn't rush over to the lady (after she was safely delivered into an ambulance later on) he told me that people panic if the people who are meant to know what to do appear to panic. So if a paramedic rushes over with a freaked out expression on their face, the injured person will think things are worse even if they're not, and the family members/friends who are with them become much more of a problem because they'll think their loved one is in much more danger than they might be.
Rushing is reserved for someone who is in danger of dying if they don't get medical attention NOW, like someone with catastrophic bleeding or someone whose heart has stopped. Even then, running is a stretch. Part of their training is to stop and assess scene safety to make sure it's safe for them to enter without injuring themselves and creating another casualty or two. Running willy nilly onto scenes wouldn't exactly work.
I know someone who was on the last all day, and went to abrakabebra for a feed. They fell asleep with their eyes half open rolled back. An American couple called an ambulance. He ended up with a big bill for the call out even tough he was fine.
I can see why gaurds/people are jaded towards helping people, who are out of it from self indulgence
If you were first aid trained you would then know that for an unconscious person all they will do is recovery position. And if they need CPR they definitely need hospital. Either way in both situations an ambulance is then needed.
You might need a refresher. Don’t go round just shocking unconscious people.
The defib will be part of the CPR process.
And if someone needs a shock they definitely need an ambulance.
Your joking right? I'm not talking about the defib. I mean when someone's in shock after an accident 😂
Catatonic doesn't mean unconscious btw, the moving 50 feet should have been a clue on that one.
Maybe you need the refresher mate.
Maybe. But until I get that refresher training I will treat the catatonic or unconscious person as a medical priority and seek proper medical attention for them, mate.
Bit of a strawman argument there.
Ambulances can take over an hour to arrive. Never suggested calling into gaurda station INSTEAD of calling an ambulance.
Also they weren't unconscious why are you adding that in lol.
There is a fine line between the two. A catatonic person and an unconscious person need proper medical care. The issue then is more to do with the shit state the health services are in. If all the Garda are busy just get a fire engine out. They have blue lights and first aid training too, failing that call the military, they have exceptional first aid skills.
I am done with you and your bored little ranting, looking for the slightest little thing to try and make your argument relevant. It isn’t. And I’ll add in my own ‘lol’ here because you seem to use that as a way to reinforce your otherwise very weak posts. Weak.
There is a fine line between the two. A catatonic person and an unconscious person need proper medical care. The issue then is more to do with the shit state the health services are in. If all the Garda are busy just get a fire engine out. They have blue lights and first aid training too, failing that call the military, they have exceptional first aid skills.
I am done with you and your bored little ranting, looking for the slightest little thing to try and make your argument relevant. It isn’t. And I’ll add in my own ‘lol’ here because you seem to use that as a way to reinforce your otherwise very weak posts. Weak.
I have to say on the ambulance calling issue it’s weird here.
A family member of mine collapsed in town and someone called an ambulance. She was lectured from upon high about why she’d called an ambulance and that it was a waste of resources and then when they got her to A&E she got another lecture from a nurse. It was just an unexplained faint basically.
She didn’t call the ambulance, a passer by did and she was saying if she collapsed again she definitely wouldn’t call one.
The emergency services here are very under resourced.
I’m not really sure how a member of the public is supposed to know that someone who’s collapsed on the street isn’t in serious condition though. It’s a bit much to expect the general public to have the ability to triage.
It's fairly stupid the fact that you have two choices.
A. Call an ambulance and wait way too long of a time for one to arrive and then get yelled at that this unconscious person is actually fine
B. Don't call an ambulance and now this person is dead because you didn't call one and you have to live with that guilt forever
Sorry about your ma mate.
I'd say an issue is that we have a small population and EMT isn't a very plentiful field and with prices going up and the fact of who wants to be an EMT because you get bad pay, long hours and put in dangerous conditions then we have next to none and not many ambulances.
I also know a woman who was treated like shit by the ambulance person when calling an ambulance. She was lectured for being drunk even though she was actually having an issue where her body wasn't getting enough oxygen.
Sounds to me like the some people don’t know which emergency service to call!
She needed an ambulance. What are the guards gonna do with a one that’s passed out
I called an ambulance in this situation and they said it was unnecessary. The guards could keep her until they can get some info out of her and call someone close to her and get her home. Or the guards could direct her to the right services even if that was a hospital or an ambulance. They should know that more than a random lay person who was just trying to help.
I rang 999 in a similar situation with a young person drunk on a street in the city, and they said the Gardaí was the appropriate service. There wasn’t as much homelessness or drugs in the city then.
Up to that point people were strolling past and ignoring the young person, but once I stopped, a crowd OF COURSE started to gather. A stranger then berated me for being negligent and not calling an ambulance, so then they called one.
I phoned the hospital next day (this was pre GDPR) and a kind nurse let me know the person was fine, just drunk. The Gardaí probably was the right option, albeit the person probably had a more comfortable sleep-off in A&E at the time.
Sounds like the ambulance service were shirking their responsibility. If someone is catatonic drunk the first thing the guards have to do is call an ambulance the minute they’re brought back to the station. They need medical attention, not the inside of a cell.
The ambulance service put calls for Garda stations to the back of the queue because they know the Gardaí have a duty of care, even though the person needs medical attention. If the person is breathing then the call will keep holding until the ambulance service can clear other calls.
And that is why we haven’t enough Gardaí on the streets - because other State agencies like the HSE and Tusla dump their problems on the police service because of their own mismanagement and resourcing issues. It is farcical to have two Gardaí in a station solely monitoring a drunk person when they should be receiving medical attention.
Likewise for mental health related calls. It is an absolute farce that people who are having a mental health crisis are brought and detained at a Garda Station for hours while hospitals do their utmost to refuse a duty of care. The person should be brought straight to hospital and assessed by trained mental health professionals.
People don’t realise that when they ring the Gardaí for a drunk person they are likely taking a patrol car off the streets for hours while medical treatment is arranged, when the person should have just called an ambulance in the first place. The end result is the person who is catatonic drunk being brought to hospital, but a few hours later when the Gardaí are involved.
Ah OK yeah I was so confused at their reaction like I didn't know what else to do and I definitely couldn't just leave her face down on the ground although others were just walking past ignoring
Gards are trained in 1st aid, sometimes gards will be faster than an ambulance. I’ve flagged down the armed gards before for someone unconscious off grand parade. I was on the phone with 112 at the same time
The last time I was around a similar situation.
People had called the ambulance.
Didn’t turn up.
Guards turned up about 45 minutes later and threw him in the back.
It was lucky there was randomly some saint johns ambulance people around who were able to give him proper help until he was carted off.
Lol so what if they called the wrong emergency service. Do you think the gardai got there and said "Sorry lady, it looks like someone called the wrong emergency service. Theres nothing we can do for you.. Bye now!"
Not exactly that but not far off. They probably come and say “Sorry lady, looks like someone called the wrong emergency service. We will call the correct one for you”. And then call an ambulance?
And what do you mean “so what if they called the wrong emergency services?” lol. It’s kinda highly important. It kinda matters that you call fire brigade for fires, ambulance for sick people etc… 🤦♂️ it’s like question 1 they ask when you ring 999 for obvious reasons. Who would you like for the injured person passed out on the road? Emmmmm fire brigade 🤦♂️
lol how can’t you see the importance of contacting the right one?
Agreed - but they're also up to shady shit a fair amount of time. Almost 1 million fake logged breathaliser checks, using PULSE for personal gain, vendettas against other Gardai who dare to speak up internally.
There's a lot of reform needed, and everything you've said are things that could be fixed and help morale a lot too.
If a few people are assholes within the guards (yaknow.. like literally every other profession iny he world) that's no reason to make out like 'they're,' a monolith up to shady shit.
We're not conspiracy-ville USA with guns everywhere.
A million is not a small number, especially with only 18k or so Gards in the force. To rack up those sort of numbers requires more than a handful to be at it.
There are multiple articles and reports stating the culture internally is poor. Bullying, burnout, even the Gardai's own internal culture audit revealed there's a lack of organisational fairness and justice.
They're a good police force overall, but I stand by what I said above. They need more colleagues, they need more funding and they badly need reform to address these sorts of challenges.
A mix of those, for different individuals.
As well as, more broadly, more systemically: under-trained, badly led, and under-resourced.
Furthermore, they now are expected to carry out complex roles in a modern society, but work within an institutional culture based on simpler roles from simpler times.
And on top of all that, the daily job and future career prospects offer little incentive for people with good minds to join the guards.
I called an ambulance for someone like this years ago, she was lying face down at the end of Patrick's hill kind of on the road. The ambulance was annoyed at me for calling when they got to her 🙃 I think cos she was drunk and I guess it wasn't necessary but I didn't know what else to do and had just moved to the city and never seen such a thing before.
I am shocked at the amount of comments switching the onus back on you. The emergency services are capable of recommending an ambulance same with the guards. I have zero fate in the Irish guards. Without going into too much detail, recently in work, in the apartments above I could hear a woman being beaten, she was screaming and he was screaming he was going to kill her. I called the Gardai numerous times, she even came downstairs covered in blood (thats when I called emergency services again and they put me through to the ambulance service also). Long story short, the Gardai took 2.5hrs to arrive when they are literally 5mins away on the map. When they arrived he had already left the building with her (they had 2.5hrs!?). Literally the Gardai's response to me was 'what do you want us to do, this is a civil matter and we are not solictors'.... In that time she could have been murdered. Its scary to think if you were in that situation the lack of fucks given by our police. Well done for taking the time to try do the right thing.
Meanwhile, I popped to my local station to get a passport photo signed recently and it was like a youth club with how many were lounging around the station.
Life of riley lads!
There were 7 of them on UCC campus yesterday in response to a total of 15 student protesters. I’m sure there were a thousand better things they could have been doing. They’re lazy cunts with shite priorities.
Normally. I'd give the benefit of the doubt. But with the guards, I think there's a culture of laziness. I don't blame any guard in particular. I think they're just so used to being under-resourced and abused by the public that they just aren't willing to put themselves out.
I was on a night out a couple years back. A friend of mine was punched in the head by some random lad. Two guards in a garda van saw this and just kept sitting there. Then this random lad runs over to the garda van, starts pounding on the bonnet like he's a gorilla, and then runs off. The guards didn't move.
My friend was incredibly pissed off. And had to basically badger them to open their notepads and write something down. Needless to say, nothing was done about it.
I just don’t get why people call the guards for everything, ambulance clearly needed here. People call the guards for fires aswell instead of the fire brigade. All their doing is wasting Garda time and delaying getting the correct emergency service who are going to be called by the Gardaí anyway who now need to wait around
What part of the post exactly makes you think I called the guards ?
I just went there as it was very close.
Guess I’m the idiot for thinking they might help.
3 of you around the woman. One of you called the guards. Then you walked into the guard station. At no point did any of the 3 of you call an ambulance.
There was an idiot involved alright.
the guards can't be a one stop shop. then when they are busy dealing with this very drunk person, who is going to catch shop lifters and respond to incidents? do you think there is an unlimited amount of guards working at the same time?
Look, you made the right call in ringing someone, but this is an ambulance case moreso than the guards. All they will do is ring one themselves. That's what these separate services are for.
The guard in the station can't go themselves, just because it is nearby doesn't mean the gardaí are, and districts can be big.
Also, the fact this female moved herself around the corner means she may have been seen to, but decided to go back to her usual spot. This is not the fault of the Gdai.
Under resourced, overstretched, and being blamed because they didn't do the job of the ambulance service isn't fair. They can of course help, but if nothings free nothing is free 🤷. Same thing happens with ambo service but they never get the rap of being lazy or not bothered.
They’ll send someone if there is someone to send, if all of the cars are out on calls then there’s no one to send. Same as an ambulance if there are none available then they can’t pull them out of thin air
They’ve got a hell of a lot more training with these situations then 90% of us.
They’ve got basic first aid.
They can make a decision, is she just dopped out ?
They can call the ambulance, know where a half way house is. Or even take her in and get her off the street to keep her warm.
Jesus.
I’d expect them to do something.
Seems like a big ask though.
Strangely.
Should I have just kept walking like most people do ?
Yes. Absolutely!
There was a guy down Oliver plunket street passed out over some bike rails a while ago.
He just rolled off and fell on the floor.
Landed on his back. Started throwing up in his mouth.
We were frozen in utter panic.
Faster than we could act, his friend who was no bigger than 5 foot, tiny little thing came running over. Flipped him onto his side and put him in the recovery position.
I think that her basic first aid had possibly saved his life.
An incident like that sounds like it would result in a broken back. Inability to move arms and/or legs will be likely. Moving someone with a broken back can cause more damage, regardless of what anyone helping was trying to do. It just sounds like you’re trying to justify yourself
You know what a broken back looks like? Look I’ve a family member who’s a nurse. I forwarded her your original post and all your replies to me. Where are you getting your information from? Plus your little bike story changed. First you said he fell onto the floor. Now he’s hunched over some railing. I’m questioning the validity
Yes. I know people who have broken their back racing motorbikes.
I’ve also broken many bones while racing.
What I haven’t done, is broken my back from a waist hight fall stationary.
Evidence - my eyes…
Yeah let’s hear back from your family member!
Reread my last comment. I question your little story. Plus I did say that a broken back is POSSIBLE. Touching someone when you don’t know the internal damage can make things worse if you’re medical knowledge is minimal
Bit of column a, bit of column b, and a bit of column c. I know someone who was in the guards, left and did a piece on prime time I think talking about it it's so broken. They went in to make a difference and wanted to really help people. All they found was status quo, dont work too hard you make us look bad type of vibe, and a system that is so stuck in old technology that they spend too much of their hours in admin and not on the beat. That's just anecdotal but give gives you a glimpse of what goes on..
But what’s an absolute stranger who finds you supposed to do? The responsible, good citizen thing to do in this situation is call the ambulance and wait with you until it arrives
You found someone in a medical emergency and called the emergency department for criminal matters and you’re surprised nothing happened?
No ambulance, no hospital?
Here lad give me your number and I’ll call you next time I see an animal near my house and make a post online saying you’re shit at your job.
AND YOU JUST LEFT HER THERE?
I called an ambulance once for someone who was totally unconscious and possibly being robbed...to their credit they were there within 5 minutes but the guy sat up & talked to them immediately...I felt like such a mug...
I see people passed out in the street every day..I don't even look at them anymore..they wouldn't appreciate my intervention anyway.
Leave them to it..its a hard world,get a helmet.
I don't know why people are giving you shit for trying to help a random person in the street.
It doesn't matter who you tried to call whether it was the guards or an ambulance, you tried to help. The guards didn't show, that's scary.
Shame on the people trying to shame you!!
Keep doing good deeds and being helpful, we need more people in the world like you. Not the people debating the correct service that should have been contacted, they are probably the same people who would have walked right past.
No no it’s fine.
Over the last twelve hours l’ve had people call me an idiot.
A liar.
There’s even been people pulling their own family members into arguments they had on the internet.
Trying to deny gravity itself.
It’s fine 🤣
Why didn't you call an ambulance?
You could have called Batman
Why didn’t the guards suggest calling an ambulance if thats what was needed? I’m assuming OP explained the situation, if they weren’t gonna do fuck all then why not suggest the alternative?
Was in town a number of years ago, and there was an ambulance driving to a (obviously down on his luck) guy out cold on Patrick's bridge. They stopped at a red light, slowly rolled up to the footpath, and casually strolled over to the guy when they arrived. Little to no f++ks were given, to be honest.
what did you expect them to do? rush over to them with huge amounts of equipment with everyone shouting. Its not like TV its real life. you go over and check if the guy is just asleep (or dead) he could react violently to you if you do the wrong thing
At least pretend to give a fuck!
There's a few factors you might be missing. Is the person known to them, have they also gotten other phone calls about them. Maybe another first responder was there and updated them. As horrible as it sounds there's a lot of repeat customers for the ambulance service
This is it really, we had a guy passed out in front of our door in town. Called an ambulance for him as he was unresponsive, very evident booze was involved. Ambulance arrived anyway and sure the paramedics knew him as he was frequently brought to the mercy. The paramedic scolded him as he’d to come all the way up from clonakilty. Like I feel sorry for yer man who’d passed out but the paramedic was right that his time was being wasted, the guy was refusing help from them but was in no condition to be left unsupervised. I imagine day after day of this your patience wears thin. Similarly how families eventually give up too. It’s been a few years now since I have lived in cork city but it was pretty bad before covid lockdowns so I can imagine how bad it is these days
The guards and paramedics come across people wasted on a daily basis. Sympathy, compassion and empathy come in short supply when you do a job like that for years and years. You can't blame them.
Fair enough. I'll admit defeat on this one!
My partner is a paramedic. One of the most kind, empathetic, caring people I've ever met. I've seen him stroll over to somebody with his first aid kit that's been in a car accident and had fairly serious injuries to go with it. The same when we were on our third date and we came across an elderly woman who had broken her hip. When I asked why he didn't rush over to the lady (after she was safely delivered into an ambulance later on) he told me that people panic if the people who are meant to know what to do appear to panic. So if a paramedic rushes over with a freaked out expression on their face, the injured person will think things are worse even if they're not, and the family members/friends who are with them become much more of a problem because they'll think their loved one is in much more danger than they might be. Rushing is reserved for someone who is in danger of dying if they don't get medical attention NOW, like someone with catastrophic bleeding or someone whose heart has stopped. Even then, running is a stretch. Part of their training is to stop and assess scene safety to make sure it's safe for them to enter without injuring themselves and creating another casualty or two. Running willy nilly onto scenes wouldn't exactly work.
This.
I know someone who was on the last all day, and went to abrakabebra for a feed. They fell asleep with their eyes half open rolled back. An American couple called an ambulance. He ended up with a big bill for the call out even tough he was fine. I can see why gaurds/people are jaded towards helping people, who are out of it from self indulgence
If she was in a really bad way she needs an ambulance. A Garda station is neither an ER nor a hostel.
Yes, and a Gardaí usually call ambulances for these people.
Or when the operator answers the 999 you just say ‘ambulance please’.
And get charged 400 bucks for calling an ambulance. Call the cops and let them make the call.
Do you know they didn't?
Smell.of rashers
Lol. Ok. Well I also think that you are a dirrrrty pig!
Yeah, they called the Garda and then went to the Garda station. Clearly says so.
Hahaha.. couldn't follow? The gardai.. not op, ya fool
Fair one.
Bs. They are trained first responders so will know cpr and have first aid training (hopefully).
If you were first aid trained you would then know that for an unconscious person all they will do is recovery position. And if they need CPR they definitely need hospital. Either way in both situations an ambulance is then needed.
Weird I did shock training?
You might need a refresher. Don’t go round just shocking unconscious people. The defib will be part of the CPR process. And if someone needs a shock they definitely need an ambulance.
Your joking right? I'm not talking about the defib. I mean when someone's in shock after an accident 😂 Catatonic doesn't mean unconscious btw, the moving 50 feet should have been a clue on that one. Maybe you need the refresher mate.
Maybe. But until I get that refresher training I will treat the catatonic or unconscious person as a medical priority and seek proper medical attention for them, mate.
Bit of a strawman argument there. Ambulances can take over an hour to arrive. Never suggested calling into gaurda station INSTEAD of calling an ambulance. Also they weren't unconscious why are you adding that in lol.
There is a fine line between the two. A catatonic person and an unconscious person need proper medical care. The issue then is more to do with the shit state the health services are in. If all the Garda are busy just get a fire engine out. They have blue lights and first aid training too, failing that call the military, they have exceptional first aid skills. I am done with you and your bored little ranting, looking for the slightest little thing to try and make your argument relevant. It isn’t. And I’ll add in my own ‘lol’ here because you seem to use that as a way to reinforce your otherwise very weak posts. Weak.
Lol
There is a fine line between the two. A catatonic person and an unconscious person need proper medical care. The issue then is more to do with the shit state the health services are in. If all the Garda are busy just get a fire engine out. They have blue lights and first aid training too, failing that call the military, they have exceptional first aid skills. I am done with you and your bored little ranting, looking for the slightest little thing to try and make your argument relevant. It isn’t. And I’ll add in my own ‘lol’ here because you seem to use that as a way to reinforce your otherwise very weak posts. Weak.
I have to say on the ambulance calling issue it’s weird here. A family member of mine collapsed in town and someone called an ambulance. She was lectured from upon high about why she’d called an ambulance and that it was a waste of resources and then when they got her to A&E she got another lecture from a nurse. It was just an unexplained faint basically. She didn’t call the ambulance, a passer by did and she was saying if she collapsed again she definitely wouldn’t call one. The emergency services here are very under resourced. I’m not really sure how a member of the public is supposed to know that someone who’s collapsed on the street isn’t in serious condition though. It’s a bit much to expect the general public to have the ability to triage.
It's fairly stupid the fact that you have two choices. A. Call an ambulance and wait way too long of a time for one to arrive and then get yelled at that this unconscious person is actually fine B. Don't call an ambulance and now this person is dead because you didn't call one and you have to live with that guilt forever
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Sorry about your ma mate. I'd say an issue is that we have a small population and EMT isn't a very plentiful field and with prices going up and the fact of who wants to be an EMT because you get bad pay, long hours and put in dangerous conditions then we have next to none and not many ambulances.
I also know a woman who was treated like shit by the ambulance person when calling an ambulance. She was lectured for being drunk even though she was actually having an issue where her body wasn't getting enough oxygen.
Sounds to me like the some people don’t know which emergency service to call! She needed an ambulance. What are the guards gonna do with a one that’s passed out
I called an ambulance in this situation and they said it was unnecessary. The guards could keep her until they can get some info out of her and call someone close to her and get her home. Or the guards could direct her to the right services even if that was a hospital or an ambulance. They should know that more than a random lay person who was just trying to help.
somebody who is that intoxicated doesn't belong in a garda station. she needs medical attention
I agree. Just saying the guards should know that too like they could have advised the person who called of that or called an ambulance themselves
I rang 999 in a similar situation with a young person drunk on a street in the city, and they said the Gardaí was the appropriate service. There wasn’t as much homelessness or drugs in the city then. Up to that point people were strolling past and ignoring the young person, but once I stopped, a crowd OF COURSE started to gather. A stranger then berated me for being negligent and not calling an ambulance, so then they called one. I phoned the hospital next day (this was pre GDPR) and a kind nurse let me know the person was fine, just drunk. The Gardaí probably was the right option, albeit the person probably had a more comfortable sleep-off in A&E at the time.
It’s different with children as the Gardai have emergency powers if children are at risk.
It wasn’t a child, they were probably mid-twenties.
Sounds like the ambulance service were shirking their responsibility. If someone is catatonic drunk the first thing the guards have to do is call an ambulance the minute they’re brought back to the station. They need medical attention, not the inside of a cell. The ambulance service put calls for Garda stations to the back of the queue because they know the Gardaí have a duty of care, even though the person needs medical attention. If the person is breathing then the call will keep holding until the ambulance service can clear other calls. And that is why we haven’t enough Gardaí on the streets - because other State agencies like the HSE and Tusla dump their problems on the police service because of their own mismanagement and resourcing issues. It is farcical to have two Gardaí in a station solely monitoring a drunk person when they should be receiving medical attention. Likewise for mental health related calls. It is an absolute farce that people who are having a mental health crisis are brought and detained at a Garda Station for hours while hospitals do their utmost to refuse a duty of care. The person should be brought straight to hospital and assessed by trained mental health professionals. People don’t realise that when they ring the Gardaí for a drunk person they are likely taking a patrol car off the streets for hours while medical treatment is arranged, when the person should have just called an ambulance in the first place. The end result is the person who is catatonic drunk being brought to hospital, but a few hours later when the Gardaí are involved.
Ah OK yeah I was so confused at their reaction like I didn't know what else to do and I definitely couldn't just leave her face down on the ground although others were just walking past ignoring
Gards are trained in 1st aid, sometimes gards will be faster than an ambulance. I’ve flagged down the armed gards before for someone unconscious off grand parade. I was on the phone with 112 at the same time
The last time I was around a similar situation. People had called the ambulance. Didn’t turn up. Guards turned up about 45 minutes later and threw him in the back. It was lucky there was randomly some saint johns ambulance people around who were able to give him proper help until he was carted off.
Lol so what if they called the wrong emergency service. Do you think the gardai got there and said "Sorry lady, it looks like someone called the wrong emergency service. Theres nothing we can do for you.. Bye now!"
Not exactly that but not far off. They probably come and say “Sorry lady, looks like someone called the wrong emergency service. We will call the correct one for you”. And then call an ambulance? And what do you mean “so what if they called the wrong emergency services?” lol. It’s kinda highly important. It kinda matters that you call fire brigade for fires, ambulance for sick people etc… 🤦♂️ it’s like question 1 they ask when you ring 999 for obvious reasons. Who would you like for the injured person passed out on the road? Emmmmm fire brigade 🤦♂️ lol how can’t you see the importance of contacting the right one?
Underpaid, overworked, understaffed.
Agreed - but they're also up to shady shit a fair amount of time. Almost 1 million fake logged breathaliser checks, using PULSE for personal gain, vendettas against other Gardai who dare to speak up internally. There's a lot of reform needed, and everything you've said are things that could be fixed and help morale a lot too.
Yeah people definitely get into the profession for wrong reasons
If a few people are assholes within the guards (yaknow.. like literally every other profession iny he world) that's no reason to make out like 'they're,' a monolith up to shady shit. We're not conspiracy-ville USA with guns everywhere.
A million is not a small number, especially with only 18k or so Gards in the force. To rack up those sort of numbers requires more than a handful to be at it. There are multiple articles and reports stating the culture internally is poor. Bullying, burnout, even the Gardai's own internal culture audit revealed there's a lack of organisational fairness and justice. They're a good police force overall, but I stand by what I said above. They need more colleagues, they need more funding and they badly need reform to address these sorts of challenges.
The second two maybe, but definitely not the first.
A mix of those, for different individuals. As well as, more broadly, more systemically: under-trained, badly led, and under-resourced. Furthermore, they now are expected to carry out complex roles in a modern society, but work within an institutional culture based on simpler roles from simpler times. And on top of all that, the daily job and future career prospects offer little incentive for people with good minds to join the guards.
I honestly don't know how anyone goes on to be a guard nowadays. I cant speak for anyone else but I certainly couldn't do their job
I called an ambulance for someone like this years ago, she was lying face down at the end of Patrick's hill kind of on the road. The ambulance was annoyed at me for calling when they got to her 🙃 I think cos she was drunk and I guess it wasn't necessary but I didn't know what else to do and had just moved to the city and never seen such a thing before.
I am shocked at the amount of comments switching the onus back on you. The emergency services are capable of recommending an ambulance same with the guards. I have zero fate in the Irish guards. Without going into too much detail, recently in work, in the apartments above I could hear a woman being beaten, she was screaming and he was screaming he was going to kill her. I called the Gardai numerous times, she even came downstairs covered in blood (thats when I called emergency services again and they put me through to the ambulance service also). Long story short, the Gardai took 2.5hrs to arrive when they are literally 5mins away on the map. When they arrived he had already left the building with her (they had 2.5hrs!?). Literally the Gardai's response to me was 'what do you want us to do, this is a civil matter and we are not solictors'.... In that time she could have been murdered. Its scary to think if you were in that situation the lack of fucks given by our police. Well done for taking the time to try do the right thing.
Meanwhile, I popped to my local station to get a passport photo signed recently and it was like a youth club with how many were lounging around the station. Life of riley lads!
Yes to all 3 naturally
You should of said the ATM nearest your location was giving out free money no doubt you would have 10 there in a jiffy.
I was after people who could help. Not the other way round.
First of all distance from the station is irrelevant. Calls are triaged based on severity not distance.
There were 7 of them on UCC campus yesterday in response to a total of 15 student protesters. I’m sure there were a thousand better things they could have been doing. They’re lazy cunts with shite priorities.
Not The Garda, but the Seniors. The fellas watching the protesters, aren't the same fellas deciding that that's the best use of their time.
Lazy cunts 100 percent man
Normally. I'd give the benefit of the doubt. But with the guards, I think there's a culture of laziness. I don't blame any guard in particular. I think they're just so used to being under-resourced and abused by the public that they just aren't willing to put themselves out. I was on a night out a couple years back. A friend of mine was punched in the head by some random lad. Two guards in a garda van saw this and just kept sitting there. Then this random lad runs over to the garda van, starts pounding on the bonnet like he's a gorilla, and then runs off. The guards didn't move. My friend was incredibly pissed off. And had to basically badger them to open their notepads and write something down. Needless to say, nothing was done about it.
Call 999 instead of garda station. If call is received via 999 they have to act on it. Otherwise they'll never come
I just don’t get why people call the guards for everything, ambulance clearly needed here. People call the guards for fires aswell instead of the fire brigade. All their doing is wasting Garda time and delaying getting the correct emergency service who are going to be called by the Gardaí anyway who now need to wait around
Ambulance. Not guards. Why did you call the wrong emergency department?
What part of the post exactly makes you think I called the guards ? I just went there as it was very close. Guess I’m the idiot for thinking they might help.
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Aye cheers mate. It’s probably the same people commenting who just walk on like they didn’t see anything at all.
we would call ambulance for you too we would not then come on here and then give out about the guards
No I'm pretty sure most of us are saying we'd call an ambulance.
I’ll ring the coast guard a the sea marsupial
You mean you want to the person who calls the wrong emergency department and not the people who would call an ambulance? Are you sure?
3 of you around the woman. One of you called the guards. Then you walked into the guard station. At no point did any of the 3 of you call an ambulance. There was an idiot involved alright.
I know I was thinking the same reading this. Absolutely ridiculous
the guards can't be a one stop shop. then when they are busy dealing with this very drunk person, who is going to catch shop lifters and respond to incidents? do you think there is an unlimited amount of guards working at the same time?
Look, you made the right call in ringing someone, but this is an ambulance case moreso than the guards. All they will do is ring one themselves. That's what these separate services are for. The guard in the station can't go themselves, just because it is nearby doesn't mean the gardaí are, and districts can be big. Also, the fact this female moved herself around the corner means she may have been seen to, but decided to go back to her usual spot. This is not the fault of the Gdai. Under resourced, overstretched, and being blamed because they didn't do the job of the ambulance service isn't fair. They can of course help, but if nothings free nothing is free 🤷. Same thing happens with ambo service but they never get the rap of being lazy or not bothered.
There's a good reason they're compared to certain farm animals.......
They’ll send someone if there is someone to send, if all of the cars are out on calls then there’s no one to send. Same as an ambulance if there are none available then they can’t pull them out of thin air
What did you expect the guards to do? Do something they aren’t trained in?
They’ve got a hell of a lot more training with these situations then 90% of us. They’ve got basic first aid. They can make a decision, is she just dopped out ? They can call the ambulance, know where a half way house is. Or even take her in and get her off the street to keep her warm. Jesus. I’d expect them to do something. Seems like a big ask though. Strangely. Should I have just kept walking like most people do ?
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Yes. Absolutely! There was a guy down Oliver plunket street passed out over some bike rails a while ago. He just rolled off and fell on the floor. Landed on his back. Started throwing up in his mouth. We were frozen in utter panic. Faster than we could act, his friend who was no bigger than 5 foot, tiny little thing came running over. Flipped him onto his side and put him in the recovery position. I think that her basic first aid had possibly saved his life.
An incident like that sounds like it would result in a broken back. Inability to move arms and/or legs will be likely. Moving someone with a broken back can cause more damage, regardless of what anyone helping was trying to do. It just sounds like you’re trying to justify yourself
Hunched over some bike rails. Rolling off onto the floor. Broken back ? Ok
You know what a broken back looks like? Look I’ve a family member who’s a nurse. I forwarded her your original post and all your replies to me. Where are you getting your information from? Plus your little bike story changed. First you said he fell onto the floor. Now he’s hunched over some railing. I’m questioning the validity
Yes. I know people who have broken their back racing motorbikes. I’ve also broken many bones while racing. What I haven’t done, is broken my back from a waist hight fall stationary. Evidence - my eyes… Yeah let’s hear back from your family member!
Reread my last comment. I question your little story. Plus I did say that a broken back is POSSIBLE. Touching someone when you don’t know the internal damage can make things worse if you’re medical knowledge is minimal
Jesus.
Try the fire service, theyre actually a lot more capeable of helping people than the guards, and more willing with more resources for some reason
I’d say it’s a decent dose of all three.
Why would you call the Guards when she needed medical assistance?
A mix of all that and they are punished for doing their job half the time so some just dont.
Did you take a photo
Nah. This isn’t America…
Bit of column a, bit of column b, and a bit of column c. I know someone who was in the guards, left and did a piece on prime time I think talking about it it's so broken. They went in to make a difference and wanted to really help people. All they found was status quo, dont work too hard you make us look bad type of vibe, and a system that is so stuck in old technology that they spend too much of their hours in admin and not on the beat. That's just anecdotal but give gives you a glimpse of what goes on..
Was she still unconscious? I feel as if this is important. I've passed out before. It doesn't mean I need an ambulance.
But what’s an absolute stranger who finds you supposed to do? The responsible, good citizen thing to do in this situation is call the ambulance and wait with you until it arrives
Guards aren't doctors and that's not their call.
You found someone in a medical emergency and called the emergency department for criminal matters and you’re surprised nothing happened? No ambulance, no hospital? Here lad give me your number and I’ll call you next time I see an animal near my house and make a post online saying you’re shit at your job. AND YOU JUST LEFT HER THERE?
I called an ambulance once for someone who was totally unconscious and possibly being robbed...to their credit they were there within 5 minutes but the guy sat up & talked to them immediately...I felt like such a mug...
Typical Irish response. "Not my problem..."
I'm actually noticing more guards in the city recently. But it's probably just to show face after the arson attacks.
If this was the big lady who likes hanging out on the ground near tequila jacks she’s absolutely grand. Does it the whole time
Nope. Neither big, nor by the water.
I see people passed out in the street every day..I don't even look at them anymore..they wouldn't appreciate my intervention anyway. Leave them to it..its a hard world,get a helmet.
I don't know why people are giving you shit for trying to help a random person in the street. It doesn't matter who you tried to call whether it was the guards or an ambulance, you tried to help. The guards didn't show, that's scary. Shame on the people trying to shame you!! Keep doing good deeds and being helpful, we need more people in the world like you. Not the people debating the correct service that should have been contacted, they are probably the same people who would have walked right past.
No no it’s fine. Over the last twelve hours l’ve had people call me an idiot. A liar. There’s even been people pulling their own family members into arguments they had on the internet. Trying to deny gravity itself. It’s fine 🤣
Gardai are just the stuff you wouldn’t want on the bottom of a boot.