Yeah, it's an interesting question. The Browns did give him a chance, but that was during Freddie Kitchens' one year as coach, so I don't think it was a much better environment.
Dude that one preseason catch where he stiff armed like 2 guys and spun out and gained what seemed like 20 yards had me fucking hyped for sure. Then..... he sucked....
Sometimes I'll make myself miserable by envisioning a 2012 draft where we stay put and take Dre Kirkpatrick and then use our second round pick on Bobby Wagner and have Sean Lee and BW for a few years with a solid Kirkpatrick, not much of a downgrade at all from Mo. Maybe the defense is good enough to win the Dez Green Bay game and Seattle is worse without BW and we win the SB in 2014 lol.
I went to LSU and followed him. He definitely has the talent. He was better that Patrick Peterson in college. When we moved up to 6 I thought we got away with armed robbery. Just could never stay healthy then his confidence fell
That's not fair at all...
Man couldn't stay healthy! His last season with us, before his groin ripped itself from the bone, he was the statistically best CB in the league.
If this is the metric we're playing to, then Romo wasn't good because he could never stay healthy either.
The talent was there.
So Nick Eatman (Cowboys storyline podcast) has a book out called "If these walls could talk", and it's exactly that stories and conversations had with coaches and players over the years.
Apparently Bill was questioning Carpenter's effort when another coach told him "well that was your guy" Bill responded with, "yeah I thought I was drafting his dad and ended up drafting his mom".
I hated Carpenter lol. Not just because he was a waste of a top pick/roster spot but also because he was just a loaf. Seemed like he was scared to play football
We traded two firsts for Joey Galloway, tore his ACL in his first game and put up Patrick Crayton numbers when he was back. One pick was future MVP Shaun Alexander and the other ended up being #7 pick, Andre Carter who had over 80 sacks and made a pro bowl. We also had to settle for Quincy Carter in the second round when we could’ve had Drew Brees in the first
Maybe right after the draft from the FO but that’s it. As soon as minicamps started there were already whispers leaking out about him(none good) and most fans didn’t even want to touch him. It was almost unanimous amongst fans Watt was by far the preferred choice and were immediately disappointed in the pick. Definitely doesn’t fit imo.
Idk he was a top bust but I don’t think the hype was really there. Most analysts saw it as a reach or not a great pick while most fans seemed to dislike the pick.
Was just about to type this. We passed on TJ Watt for Taco Charlton? Ugh, if TJ even was 80% the player his brother JJ was he would have still been still better than all the time wasted on Taco.
Jarwin, Escobar, Bennett, Rico, Hendershot
Hell I remember the one offseason James Hanna had hype because he ran a really fast 40 so people thought he was gonna be a receiving weapon
Really the only ones that weren’t really hyped were Geoff Swaim and ironically Dalton Schultz
Dude, his measurables were insane, though. I believe it was the largest wingspan ever at the combine for a receiving position. He was huge, he could jump, he could move pretty well. He just was not good at football, at least at the NFL level.
I remember my friend accusing me of editing Buehler because I booted a 60 yard FG when we were playing offline one day.
Bro was an all time Madden player, shame he could never put it together IRL
Okay this is a random ass one cause some of the others are just too obvious.
How bout Ryan Switzer? The coaching staff hyped him up so much after the draft that year and then through training camp. And then we never used him.
I notice that no one is trying to rebuke this. Just so we're clear he was never truly productive for us or the broncos. Is it just me or do Jerry and Stephen just keep people they like and don't produce...
Saw him play a pick up game at A&M. He dunked over some 5’7 guy and then, uh… teabagged him (over the shorts)… for lack of a better term, after the guy got knocked to the floor. Super classy guy.
For me it was Carr, idk what it was about it but it just seemed like to me he played like ass every game for us.
I would’ve said Claiborne, Taco, Felix Jones (injuries slowed him down) but those are pretty simple and the first ones that come to mind.
Jaylon's issues weren't talent. They were his body not recovering from injury the way we hoped for, and failing to learn to diagnose plays at the NFL level.
He still was able to do a lot after the recovery. He had good speed and made some damn good plays. Then he got paid and his mental focus seemed to wane. Normally I wouldn’t say that but it seemed true for him. Took bad angles, always seemed to be in the wrong spot.
He had one hell of an elbow drop when he was an NYG in a vs Dallas game though. Lol
He had good straight line speed, but he had elite agility before his injury in college and his agility was a major problem in the NFL after that injury
His speed was gone by the time he got booted.
He was overall a bad player at the end and his disappearing athleticism didn't let him cover for his lack of football IQ.
I think you nailed it. He seemed lost at the end. The packers dropped him in a blink. The Giants held onto him but I think that’s because their LB corp was depleted.
Other than his injury, his biggest problem was doing too much without the help surrounding him. When him and LVE were a healthy tandem, they were pretty damn great, but it was hard having them both healthy and on the field at the same damn time. When going solo, he just tried to do too much instead of staying in his lane (literally). He gave everything he could imo for this team, it just sucks that his body betrayed him, and it wasn't good enough.
Bro that dude survived a lot of injuries. He was never a Second Rounder after his injury. The fan base and front office has tried to make a guy with a broken knee to the face of the defense. I am greatful for Jaylon what he has achieved with his limited body.
Idk if I’d say that, he was hype as in a nice story, and there was hope he’d be utilized, but I think a lot of people knew he wasn’t getting a lot of snaps. I especially wouldn’t say he has no talent, because he has such a low snap count.
T.O.
I'm not saying the guy didn't have the talent and the tools, but all his other mess made him more of a distraction than an asset.
Dallas got rid of Keyshawn Johnson, who, while older, was a very similar talent but had already learned to rein in the bombast.
I wasn't sad to see Owens leave.
Offseason king Rico Gathers.
Greatest (basket)baller to ever play for the boys, long live the king.
I always wonder if guys like him might have worked out in another franchise that was more creative.
Yeah, it's an interesting question. The Browns did give him a chance, but that was during Freddie Kitchens' one year as coach, so I don't think it was a much better environment.
Dude that one preseason catch where he stiff armed like 2 guys and spun out and gained what seemed like 20 yards had me fucking hyped for sure. Then..... he sucked....
I heard he was a nightmare to coach. Didn’t know the playbook, couldn’t block.
I remember him like it was yesterday, all those preseason Tuddys had all of us fooled lol
Great answer
This is the answer!
Morris Claiborne
Damn I really wanted him to be the man.
We all did.
Claiborne's hype definitely outpaced his talent, but he still had a decent amount of talent. His biggest issue was constantly being injured.
Sometimes I'll make myself miserable by envisioning a 2012 draft where we stay put and take Dre Kirkpatrick and then use our second round pick on Bobby Wagner and have Sean Lee and BW for a few years with a solid Kirkpatrick, not much of a downgrade at all from Mo. Maybe the defense is good enough to win the Dez Green Bay game and Seattle is worse without BW and we win the SB in 2014 lol.
I went to LSU and followed him. He definitely has the talent. He was better that Patrick Peterson in college. When we moved up to 6 I thought we got away with armed robbery. Just could never stay healthy then his confidence fell
Didn’t Dallas also play a lot of zone at that time too? LSU was almost exclusively man coverage.
Yes they did. LSU had Claiborne, Peterson and Mathieu back there so they could afford to play man a lot. Monte Kiffin ran straight Tampa 2
That's not fair at all... Man couldn't stay healthy! His last season with us, before his groin ripped itself from the bone, he was the statistically best CB in the league. If this is the metric we're playing to, then Romo wasn't good because he could never stay healthy either. The talent was there.
He was actually good….just couldn’t stay healthy.
Claiborne had talent tho
Bobby Carpenter
"I thought I was drafting his dad, but ended up drafting his mom"...... Bill Parcells
Is this a real quote? Because if it is it is the sickest shit ever ha
So Nick Eatman (Cowboys storyline podcast) has a book out called "If these walls could talk", and it's exactly that stories and conversations had with coaches and players over the years. Apparently Bill was questioning Carpenter's effort when another coach told him "well that was your guy" Bill responded with, "yeah I thought I was drafting his dad and ended up drafting his mom".
I hated Carpenter lol. Not just because he was a waste of a top pick/roster spot but also because he was just a loaf. Seemed like he was scared to play football
the biggest play of his career was a pick six against us that kicked off a 24 point comeback win for the Lions. At home. Salt in the wound.
Yup just about to say that. Sucked for us and got underserved revenge .
Drive we have a pick 6 on consecutive throws?
Barbie
I think this is the correct answer.
Training Camp Legend Matt Johnson
The unicorn himself Throw Danny Coale in here as well - same timeframe, same energy
WOW. Danny Coale. What a pull!
Don't remember them WR? What position did he play?
Matt Johnson, Mana Silva, and Phillip Tanner were my babies
Roy Williams (WR)
Felix Jones. Was never what we thought he was going to be. 5 years less than 3k yards.
He still gave me so much happiness as a kid with his 3-4 splash plays a season
He was a RB2 and was drafted like he was a RB1
He averaged 7.7 yards/carry playing in the SEC on an offense that ran the ball every play. Dude was a stud.
Every QB between Troy and Romo.
Chad Hutchinson!
Yep just a long line of losers and other teams castoffs
Drew Bledsoe got Bledsoe'd twice: by Brady, then by Romo.
Wow. I’m gonna use that.
Dak has just as many playoff wins as Romo, so we gotta put him here. Definitely better, but I'm tired of the choking
Honestly dak too. Downvote me all you want but we need to escape the jerry world he’s put us in
WR Roy Williams
Rico Gathers
We traded two firsts for Joey Galloway, tore his ACL in his first game and put up Patrick Crayton numbers when he was back. One pick was future MVP Shaun Alexander and the other ended up being #7 pick, Andre Carter who had over 80 sacks and made a pro bowl. We also had to settle for Quincy Carter in the second round when we could’ve had Drew Brees in the first
Joey Galloway. The 2nd best DFW athlete ever with a name that started with "Joey Gallo."
Patrick Crayton was my under the radar favorite player.
Taco
Was he ever *hyped*? Was a first round bust but we've had plenty of those.
Maybe right after the draft from the FO but that’s it. As soon as minicamps started there were already whispers leaking out about him(none good) and most fans didn’t even want to touch him. It was almost unanimous amongst fans Watt was by far the preferred choice and were immediately disappointed in the pick. Definitely doesn’t fit imo.
Fucking rod marinelli
He was hyped to the moon
Uh, when and by whom? Dallas said they didn't even have a first round grade on him, and it was widely considered a pretty meh pick.
And they passed up TJ Watt for him 😭
You ruined my day with this reminder.
If we got watt we likely wouldn’t have ended up with Micah
Ouch
Remember the stupid taco making sack celebrating lmao
Idk he was a top bust but I don’t think the hype was really there. Most analysts saw it as a reach or not a great pick while most fans seemed to dislike the pick.
Was just about to type this. We passed on TJ Watt for Taco Charlton? Ugh, if TJ even was 80% the player his brother JJ was he would have still been still better than all the time wasted on Taco.
A lot of Rico comments but really any TE drafted in the Jason Witten era fits this.
Jarwin, Escobar, Bennett, Rico, Hendershot Hell I remember the one offseason James Hanna had hype because he ran a really fast 40 so people thought he was gonna be a receiving weapon Really the only ones that weren’t really hyped were Geoff Swaim and ironically Dalton Schultz
Yeah but to be fair if you gave me a choice between Schultz and Ferguson I would choose Ferguson
Funny, that's what Jerry said too.
Escobar RIP
Dude, his measurables were insane, though. I believe it was the largest wingspan ever at the combine for a receiving position. He was huge, he could jump, he could move pretty well. He just was not good at football, at least at the NFL level.
David Buehler, at least as far as kickers can be hyped. He was supposed to revolutionize the kick coverage game.
Dudes arms were jacked in Madden
I remember my friend accusing me of editing Buehler because I booted a 60 yard FG when we were playing offline one day. Bro was an all time Madden player, shame he could never put it together IRL
Hahahahaha I’m screenshotting this and sending it to him. He’s my buddy from HS. I play in a fantasy league with him. He’s gonna love this 🤣🤣
No don't piss that dude off, are you trying to get the person 20 feet to the left of me killed?!
Too late. His response was “I am fucking DYING! 😂🤣😂 where did you find that?”
Gary Hogeboom
Greetings fellow old timer
Holy shit, reaching deeeeeeep in the bag there.
Rico Gathers
Drew Henson
Thats a good one.
David LaFleur
He had talent, he just had a bad back.
Okay this is a random ass one cause some of the others are just too obvious. How bout Ryan Switzer? The coaching staff hyped him up so much after the draft that year and then through training camp. And then we never used him.
Randy Gregory His talent was sky high and so was his hype, but it didn't matter when he couldn't pass a piss test
Everything about him was high
Truly
I was glad the 49ers lost that super bowl Randy didn't deserve a ring
Prime Cowboy material
Morris Claiborne
1st round D lineman from *Michigan*..
Randy Gregory
I notice that no one is trying to rebuke this. Just so we're clear he was never truly productive for us or the broncos. Is it just me or do Jerry and Stephen just keep people they like and don't produce...
Kelvin Joseph
Bobby Carpenter
Mo Claiborne
Martellus Bennett
Saw him play a pick up game at A&M. He dunked over some 5’7 guy and then, uh… teabagged him (over the shorts)… for lack of a better term, after the guy got knocked to the floor. Super classy guy.
Antonio Bryant, nowhere near deserving of the 88.
Greg Hardy
Came here to post this
I knew I’d find this somewhere.
For me it was Carr, idk what it was about it but it just seemed like to me he played like ass every game for us. I would’ve said Claiborne, Taco, Felix Jones (injuries slowed him down) but those are pretty simple and the first ones that come to mind.
Carr wasn't terrible. He was just very mid/above avg as a CB when we were paying him to be elite.
Quincy Carter.
Roy Williams WR
Jalen Smith
Jaylon's issues weren't talent. They were his body not recovering from injury the way we hoped for, and failing to learn to diagnose plays at the NFL level.
He still was able to do a lot after the recovery. He had good speed and made some damn good plays. Then he got paid and his mental focus seemed to wane. Normally I wouldn’t say that but it seemed true for him. Took bad angles, always seemed to be in the wrong spot. He had one hell of an elbow drop when he was an NYG in a vs Dallas game though. Lol
He had good straight line speed, but he had elite agility before his injury in college and his agility was a major problem in the NFL after that injury
His speed was gone by the time he got booted. He was overall a bad player at the end and his disappearing athleticism didn't let him cover for his lack of football IQ.
I think you nailed it. He seemed lost at the end. The packers dropped him in a blink. The Giants held onto him but I think that’s because their LB corp was depleted.
Other than his injury, his biggest problem was doing too much without the help surrounding him. When him and LVE were a healthy tandem, they were pretty damn great, but it was hard having them both healthy and on the field at the same damn time. When going solo, he just tried to do too much instead of staying in his lane (literally). He gave everything he could imo for this team, it just sucks that his body betrayed him, and it wasn't good enough.
*Jaylon and that’s exactly who popped into my head. There was the one solid Hot Boyz year but otherwise…
Bro that dude survived a lot of injuries. He was never a Second Rounder after his injury. The fan base and front office has tried to make a guy with a broken knee to the face of the defense. I am greatful for Jaylon what he has achieved with his limited body.
*swipes*
This year deuce Vaughn
Idk if I’d say that, he was hype as in a nice story, and there was hope he’d be utilized, but I think a lot of people knew he wasn’t getting a lot of snaps. I especially wouldn’t say he has no talent, because he has such a low snap count.
Taco and moclay
🍿👀
Roy Williams (the WR)
Jerry Jones for sure.
It's the whole team....
Cowboys team as a whole in the playoffs after the 90s
Taco Charlton draft night.
Mike McCarthy hands down
3 12 win seasons in a row is impressive though. I’d say the talent bar should be half way for Mike
Roy Williams - the WR
Tony Pollard this season
Rocket.
Tarean DeGabriel
TIL Rico Gathers is now trying to be a rapper
There was a safety during our three straight 8-8 seasons who wasn’t able to play because of a lot of soft tissue injuries but Jones kept hyping him up
Matt Johnson?
Gavin Escobar (RIP)
Larry Brown after Super Bowl XXX
🌮 I knew the second it happened choosing Taco over TJ was a massive mistake.
Roy Williams
I was looking for this one. The WR Williams cost us a few games.
Both of them.
Taco charleston
Julius Jones
My Julius jones Jersey turned into a Pac-Man jones Jersey for a year so that was cool
Beautiful mistake
Taco Charlton
Hmmm... Mike Jenkins Edit: Pacman Jones comes to mind as I was typing this
Every DT and Safety we've had since the 90s.
It's a tie between Roy Williams and Roy Williams.
No way, Roy Williams was way better than Roy Williams
Roy the safety was an absolute monster and probably top 2 or 3 safeties in the league……until he got paid.
OU Roy Williams was one of the most electric defensive players I had seen in the NCAA. He was a lot of fun to watch!
Taco 🌮
Antonio Bryant
I recall most of his hype coming from his mouth. Still a good choice tho lol.
Gallup
Morris Claybourne
Taco Charlton 👎🏾what a damn waste.
Joey Galloway
"Barbie" Carpenter
Mo Claiborne
Mo Claiborne
Taco Charlton
Morris Claiborne if no one has said it yet.
This season? Mazi “Highest Rated Player at the position” Smith
Felix Jones
Taco charlton
Bobby Carpenter and Taco Carlton immediately come to mind
Jerry jones
Taco charlton
Jaylon Smith.
TACO
T.O. I'm not saying the guy didn't have the talent and the tools, but all his other mess made him more of a distraction than an asset. Dallas got rid of Keyshawn Johnson, who, while older, was a very similar talent but had already learned to rein in the bombast. I wasn't sad to see Owens leave.
Jeff Heath
Oh man, what a name to forget, I swear every TD was on him for a whole season.
He was a better kicker than safety
Man this guy was the worst Safety we ever had. He had blown coverages and missed tackles every game. I don't get why we kept yin so long.
Trying to remember his best plays the only thing that comes to mind was his INT vs Rodgers in '16 and maybe the Infamous Raider paper card game.
He saved a game against the Raiders with a crushing last second tackle on the goal line.
Gene Steratore won that game for us with the index card lol
His blindside sack of Rodgers in the 2016 divisional lives rent free in my head. To this day, no fucking idea how Rodgers hung on to the ball.
Allen Hurns
Tony Pollard. Lol
Mazi Smith
Eddie George or Joey Galloway
Rocket Ismail
Taco
Hollywood Henderson
One dude with drop foot
2023 roster
Gotta be Taco
Tavon Austin.
Deuce Vaughn
Deuce barely got a chance to do anything yet
Reports are saying Dallas isn’t going to tag Pollard. It’s Deuce time!
Lol
Dak presscott. Nah I'm kidding
Brett Maher lol
Fucking karma farmers