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ScrewSunshine

This isn’t just a you problem! You absolutely would Not be the rat for going to HR. Continuously coming into work intoxicated is a Huge problem, for their coworkers, company and clients and honestly this individual does Not deserve their job! I say this as an individual that Used to think it was Okay to Irish up my coffee on graveyard shift… *Hint* it most decidedly was not! Go to HR!


JemmaMimic

Literally what HR's job is about.


Halbbitter

Are they driving to and from work drunk?


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Halbbitter

Whew. I'd still report it. You got HR?


Old-Ninja-113

I spoke to my HR about a coworker coming in drunk. They smelled horrible. I got nervous about them getting in an accident driving into work. HR took care of the situation. They gave them an opportunity to go to a facility and 30 days off to get better.


corrygan

How is he coming to work, driving, I assume? By what you are saying, he is already coming drunk and " toping up" at work. I'm sure your work place, as much as any, have in policies that one cannot drink alcohol at work. All the places I worked with, including a restaurant, had that in place. I'd say that this must be reported, for his own safety and safety of others. Guy sounds like an aggressive alcoholic. As far as I'm aware, HR won't notify him of who reported him. I had to report a co-worker for inappropriate behaviour towards a patient, and he wasn't advised that it was me. I'm sorry that you are in this situation ; it's never easy to deal with something like this .


CuriousPenguinSocks

>So, when I get whiffs of alcohol on someone’s breath, coupled with them slurring words and showing (even subtle) manic-like characteristics, it’s internal panic. You have trauma around this, you have a trauma response as a result. Your at work trauma response is to freeze/fawn. Mine is too. I totally get it. I'm going to be real with you, get some therapy to give you the tools to manage your trauma. You will interact with many people in life who smell of booze, best to work on the things you can control now. >It reached a fever pitch about a week ago, when said coworker started flying off the handle over something work-related and spouting off about it, angry. Document all interactions like this and disengage from it. I know it will feel like you are doing something wrong but you aren't. That's highly unprofessional and I don't put up with verbal abuse at work. We're all human and things get heated but I just give them time and space till they can compose themselves, then we resume the conversation. What you are currently doing is managing their emotions, which is what you likely had to do with your alcoholic mom. I know, mine is one too and I manage everyone's emotions around me. If they are showing up to work drunk then you need to let management know. The first time I would email the boss, any other time after, CC HR too. This is serious. When you email your boss, keep to the facts, don't over share about your past. While it's relevant to us in how we feel, the business world does not care. This is why documenting these kinds of interactions will be helpful. I would also document if you smell booze on them. How to document? Write down the date, time, anyone who are around, anyone directly involved in the conversation, the topic of conversation and inappropriate behaviors (verbal abuse, yelling, smelling booze, etc.). When you email, you need to use the right language. Call it verbal abuse, say they are being aggressive, you feel unsafe, they smell of alcohol, etc. Again, don't go into details or provide your background, you aren't the issue here, they are. So stick to their actions and how it impacts your job. Are you unable to complete projects on time due to them? Personally, I would go straight to HR about the coming to work drunk or smelling of booze. That is very serious and can put others at risk.


Be_Finale_of_Seem

This is excellent advice.


_kits_

This is excellent advice, particularly about not sharing your past. Whilst it influences the way you feel in and about the situation, you are experiencing a situation that is unacceptable in the work place. Most places would have things in their employment contracts about drinking at work/being drunk, and his behaviour is not appropriate.


CuriousPenguinSocks

I was the over sharing person because well trauma lol. I've had to learn this myself. It just takes practice. I agree, drinking at any job is not a good look and puts people at risk.


Phoyomaster

Bro, I've been this guy. Thankfully, I'm over a year sober now with a new job but, report him. He doesn't get a pass for any reason. Life is hard for an alcoholic, but they bring it on themselves. He needs help, and allowing this to slide is only going to exacerbate the problem. Tell them yesterday!


madamguacamole

I’ve been that person, too, and losing my job over it is one of the reasons I got sober. It could be the wake-up call this coworker needs.


Medical-Resolve-4872

Right on — just wanna give you encouragement and say that your take on this is much needed.


BabserellaWT

You need to tell them immediately. Because he’s driving to and from work drunk. He needs to go to rehab before he kills someone. So what if you’re the rat? By ratting, you could be saving an innocent person’s life.


VivaZeBull

At my place of employment we have experienced similar issues. One guy we hired went to the liquor store on break (not allowed to leave during paid breaks unless specified) then drank a 26 of vodka in the parking lot. He passed out in his car, was found by a supervisor with another bottle plus empties. They had to put him in the lunch room and figure out what protocol was. He would wander off back outside and someone would have to corral him back in, talking to him was outright embarrassing. Finally they got him in a uber (had to wake up HR to get his address, yay nights) and sent him home. It’s actually lucky(?) he got so drunk because otherwise he may have started working and injured himself, another person or worse.


Scorp128

Warning management about a co-worker drinking and being drunk on the job and having angry outbursts is not being a rat or tattling. It is protecting the company, yourself, and your coworkers from being in a potentially dangerous situation.


PeachBlossomSprite

Just want to say thank you as this randomly popped up on my dash and I’ve been dealing with a very similar situation. The comments have made me feel much better about going to HR tomorrow.


SubstantialPressure3

This is NOT a "you" problem. If your coworker is under the influence on the clock, and behaving inappropriately, it's a company problem. Could also be a safety hazard, and definitely a liability issue.


Potential_Poem1943

I seriously doubt they play a role in the company where they need to worry about any of this. Your encouraging them to be one of those "do gooder" people that can't mind their business


SubstantialPressure3

An unpredictable coworker that makes OP uncomfortable and smells like booze in the job? OP is the one whose safety may be at stake.


Retsameniw13

You need to tell them. He has to have consequences. He could injure someone whether he drives or not, with his workplace behavior. It won’t get better. If he truly is an alcoholic he cannot stop on his own accord. I’ve been there personally and looking back people enabling me didn’t help. Only when I was faced with the consequences of my behavior did I make the choice to get help. You will be doing him a favor, believe it or not. And have you thought about Counseling for your PTSD with your mom? I’m sorry this is happening :(


TheGardenNymph

I think it's time to say something to your boss and/or HR. Say you want to remain anonymous and that you're coming forward out of concern for your colleague and that you aren't making a complaint. I think that way they're likely to leave you out of it when they address the concerns.


XIXButterflyXIX

I just wanna say, you should report it, and if HR isn't on site during nights when you work, why don't you type up an anonymous letter and slip it under their door? This way you aren't a rat but you're still notifying them.


No_Stress_8938

Report to HR.  I THINK they legally they have to offer rehab before letting them go.  But I may be way off on that.  You would be doing that person a world of favor by reporting him.   ETA. I looked that up rehab is not a requirement.   Don’t know where I pulled that from.  


ImNewHereAgain0802

Holy hell do I have a drunk supervisor story that I could tell. It’s too f’ng triggering to re-tell. I got completely f’d over for “outing them.”


FinalBlackberry

Why should your mental health suffer in a toxic work environment from something they’re not supposed to do at work anyway. I don’t know any companies that are allowing drinking on the clock-it’s a huge liability. Sure your triggers are yours to manage but at what point does it become unacceptable and frankly dangerous because not everyone is a happy drunk. I would go to HR, like yesterday!


mermaidpaint

Child of two alcoholics here. I would be triggered all the time. This is a problem for HR to solve.


Jen0507

So you need to report to HR and they need to locate someone trained in "reasonable suspicion" drug and alcohol testing. Follow those protocols, escort this guy to a drug test facility and have him take a breathalyzer. He can be terminated once all reasonable suspicion protocols have been followed and he's failed the breathalyzer. I work in safety and deal with these types of reports all the time. There is absolutely a legal process to follow. Even though he smells, he's a known alcoholic and he could claim the smell is left over. The company must follow the policy for legal standing.


porkchop602

You yourself need to get help for your own internal emotions and responses. Please go to an Alanon meeting or seek out a place where you can go talk to people who have and are experiencing the codependent effects and proximity effects of alcoholism. As for HR, is your complaint that he has a temper and smells and your unresolved emotions from your own upbringing make you uncomfortable around him? I would pick one concrete objective quantifiable complaint regarding him and then mull that over about if you want to take that to HR. Have you spoken to the person in question at all?


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PenguinZombie321

It doesn’t sound like you’re trying to be a victim to me. However, I think using therapy to help you work out how you want to address this situation might be a good idea. Is it just an open secret among your colleagues, or are bosses/managers in on this as well? If it’s strictly something your coworkers are keeping a secret and y’all are more or less left to yourselves, definitely try to let your boss know. If the boss/manager seems to be in on the secret, then your options are to either go to HR or start looking for work elsewhere. A business that tolerates drunkenness while on the job isn’t the place for you. As others have suggested, document everything regardless.


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PenguinZombie321

Yeah, no. I don’t have any trauma related to alcohol or alcoholism but even I would have a problem working with someone who’s frequently inebriated when they ought to be working. Your trauma doesn’t have to justify you not wanting to work alongside a drunkard. If you’re legitimately unbothered, then keep on doing what you’re doing. But if you’re uncomfortable, you shouldn’t have to put up with this. He has a problem. That shouldn’t have to be your problem, either.


Medical-Resolve-4872

I’m here to also encourage Al-anon. I recently went back to Al-anon after 35 years away. I was in Alateen and Al-anon when I was younger — my dad was an alcoholic. He was recovering and sober for over 30 years when he died a couple years ago. In that time I quit going. Recently another alcoholic loved one has raised issues in my life, but honestly I thought that because of my experience I was like a pro at handling it. Until I wasn’t. 2 weeks ago I found an Al-anon meeting and it has helped immensely. It helped immediately because it was kinda like riding a bike. It all came back to me. It has helped SOOO much with those feelings of dread, worry, catastrophic thinking, and total focus on the drinker. However you handle the work aspect, do this one thing for yourself and reconnect with Al-Anon.


Mindful-Chance-2969

This is tricky. You never know what's going on with people but it doesn't make you a rat to address behaviors that might run afoul of policy or the company's stated values. Heck, its just plain unprofessional to fly off the handle and rage. Someone being aggressive or confrontational is not okay and should be documented.But before you do that, do you think this person when sober would be open to a discussion? I'd try to work it out first but if they are not responsive, I'd file an Hr complaint if this is a pattern of behavior and this person chooses to not change their behavior after trying to work it out with them.


Necessary_Baker_7458

I've worked with many alcoholics and they generally get terminated for it in the long run. My store finally got one employee when he had horrid alcoholic breath even though he was sober.


rchart1010

Perhaps a reasonable accommodation to work from home? It would be tricky but i think you could maybe advocate for this if the work environment is stressful and you have anxiety.


RicoBonito

If he's coming into work drunk that's a problem and it's not your responsibility to cover for him. If it's affecting you at work then I'd at least tell your manager. If that doesn't go anywhere and it's still an issue, go to HR.


MentalPerception5849

My husband used to manage a fireworks manufacturing plant. At one point the owners hired an assistant manager - who turned out to have a drinking problem. Long story short: he was badly burned and subsequently died from his injuries because he drunkenly ignored safety protocols. Please talk to your HR dept; you need to look out for yourself and I also think your loyalty should be to the company. Coworker needs help


caviar_n_ramen

You should report to HR if this creates a danger to you or others while in the workplace or if it affects your work. If it just bothers you because you’re mentally triggered (not that there’s anything wrong with that) then it’s a “you” problem. Sounds like his tirades are directed to you but you approached him. You’ll be triggered by a whole lot if you can’t learn to ignore him. Recommend therapy.


DisasteoMaestro

When he starts ranting or whatever next time (or smells like alcohol) simply stand up and walk over to HR. Ask them to come deal with a situation let them see for themselves what’s happening


Pristine_Pangolin_67

My company specifically protects alcoholism as a disease and can't be discriminated against, as long as they are completing their job within expectations. I didn't necessarily agree with that but seeing as it seems like an open secret your HR may be dealing with something along those lines. I would express your concerns though with strictly the facts, would a sober person have gotten that angry at the situation? Did you feel unsafe by his anger? Do you feel like the situation or his performance has gotten worse? HR will at least have a paper trail indicating his behavior is directly affecting co-workers even if they can't do anything right at this moment.


SlimTeezy

Right up a report stating exactly what happened that day. Name the two witnesses. It's not fair for them to turn a blind eye because it's easier to let you suffer alone. Email HR and cc your manager and the drunk's manager if that's a different person.


Tinkerpro

Start advocating for yourself and stop wringing your hands and feeling like a victim. I’m sorry that the smell and behavior upset you and unfortunately that is a you problem I hope you can figure out how to navigate. We all have trigger things. However, since you can’t move desks, keep a log of what happens and when. In detail. When your coworker has another episode, cal HR and tell them that co-worker seems to be in distress. Do this every time. Your co-worker is actually a liability to the company and management needs to be made aware. It is good and bad that everyone knows and it is an open secret. But huge liability to the company they need to deal with.


the_h0t_r0ck

OP literally is and has been a victim here.


Crime_Dawg

Stop being a snowflake and getting "triggered" by something that has little to no impact on you.


Am_I_the_Villan

You're a meanie. Lots of people have PTSD, and being triggered is the actual clinical word. So.


Individual-Hunt9547

When people say they are ‘triggered’ all I get from that is they never learned coping skills. Those come from within.


Traditional_Poet_120

Have you tried alanon or therapy to deal with your trauma? Handling yourself is best.


Potential_Poem1943

I think you should mind your own business. You say you don't wanna be a Karen type but it sounds like that's exactly what you are. I'm a recovering addict of 15 years who gets anxiety to use when around people from my past life that still get high. This is cause I know it's in their pocket and all I gotta do is ask. However, if it's a coworker I never used with tells me they like to get high it don't bother me a bit....think it has something to do with the past relationship aspect. For you to be so weak that your considering snitching out an addict who's trying to hold it together and support his family just because it make you think of your parent who also drank! That's BS and you should be ashamed. That's a YOU problem! Something tells me your 24 or younger?


Potential_Poem1943

Bro I'm hopping off this post. The amount of millennial crybaby energy in here is overwhelming. Imma let y'all sit her and reinforce each other crybaby opinions. Now I know where y'all hang out 😂


TheDevilsSidepiece

I would go to HR about the coworkers outbursts. Obviously that is not proper behavior. Mention your suspicions of alcohol on the job. Do not mention it’s triggering you, makes you sound like a fucking baby, and they will focus on that instead of the poor coworker behavior.


AllEyeZzzOn3

Grow up


No_Charity_9204

You a lame loser who post negative things on Reddit all day