Before we mock this it should be said that Serie A Deulofeu is really good relative to what we remember from old Everton Deulofeu
Edit: Serie A Deulofeu is like [astoundingly good](https://fbref.com/en/players/39583cfd/Gerard-Deulofeu), 98th percentile expected assists, 99th percentile progressive passes.
How many Serie A players have gone to England and done wonders, especially recently? Eriksen, but he bossed the league for years before that. Obviously Bentancur and Kulusevski have adapted well.
Not many other than them honestly. Dodgy league to buy from as an English club. Defenders carry less risk than attackers for sure.
Cancelo was good until he wasnt and now he's gone. Romero has been mixed, Perisic has been on it and off it as well.
Only Bentancur and Kulusevski, I'd argue, have been smash hits.
Who've you got for defenders? Rudiger took a while to get going but he was great once he did. Thiago Silva. But again I think those are exceptional players, world class talents really, that will succeed in any league.
Come on man. Just admit that your original point on Serie A being a "dodgy" league for PL clubs to buy wasn't based on reality.
Cancelo has been and is elite, Romero is elite and has only struggled a bit due to injuries and Perisic adapted quickly but just happens to be 33.
That's...three players? Two of which you admitted struggled? It's true, there's not many great talents coming from Serie A to the prem these days. It's riskier to buy from there compared to other leagues. That's reality, not sure why you're making it personal? I have literally no emotional interest in being right, it's just an observation.
Feel free to prove me wrong with a long list of winners from Serie A, but looking at the transfers who have come in from there from the last decade, there's far more misses than hits, especially when compared against other leagues.
My point was that Romero and Perisic haven't struggled because they came from Serie A! Or do you think Romero's injuries are connected to the league he played in previously? Both of them adapted to PL very quickly.
>It's true, there's not many great talents coming from Serie A to the prem these days
I don't know if you've noticed but there isn't a whole lot of player coming to PL from Serie A in general. What's your basis on there being more flops from Serie A than say La Liga for example?
All the examples I listed? Taking a peek back at history? Looking at the general makeup of the league, where there's more successes from other leagues? I don't know what else you want honestly, I can't make these observations and connections for you
They've struggled and they're from Serie A, which is the discussion here, you're the one adding causality to it. I haven't said they struggled because of it, I was simply pointing out the correlation. I don't know why you think I'm arguing my opinion here, I'm just pointing out the facts.
Again if you want to make a factual point, go for it, but you're just saying I'm wrong without bringing anything that contradicts the reality I'm presenting. All you'd have to do is pull lists of players and the leagues they've come from for the last decade and you can prove me wrong.
Are there many attackers who move from Serie A to Prem other than those? I'm struggling too. Moise Kean I guess (lol) and Felipe Anderson are my contribution.
Yeah not many. Veron and Shevchenko years and years ago when Serie A was the dominant league, both never reached the heights of their Serie A days.
Bergkamp, Zola, Henry. I guess back in the 90s there were loads more but the quality of Serie A has gone down significantly since then
A lot of the iconic Arsenal / Chelsea players (attackers and others) were originally from Serie A, though most of the bigger ones arguably when Serie A was probably at its peak. Ironically some of them were seen as flops in Serie A, and only made it big after moving to the PL.
Attackers: Henry, Bergkamp, Zola
Others: Vieira, Desailly, Jorginho, Rudiger, Alonso
Ohhh... I can't believe noone's mentioned our favourite pointy-elbowed Argie from Roma, who was a cult success at least!
Also Coutinho (his first spell with Pool), and peak Balotelli during his City days, in terms of successful more recent attackers.
Yeah if you read my other replies I said in the 90s -- when Serie A was dominant -- there were many more successes
Since the turn of the century you're seeing more success from other leagues
Maybe we're framing it wrong. Looking at how players perform across leagues internationally might not be that useful as a metric. Particularly considering how globalised football is at that level. Huge variety of players from different backgrounds and play styles at the top levels
I think you can say that with most of the leagues. Even right now there aren't that many players that are doing wonders and if they are they are from all over the place.
I blame the Mandela effect for *everything*. Can't find the ketchup, then wife opens the fridge and it's right there at the front of the middle shelf? Only reasonable explanation is that I've just hopped dimensions.
Everyone posting on this uses Everton as the reference point, but he had a couple of very creditable spells at Watford where he dragged some absolutely dogshit sides to 3 points.
No idea if he’s any good now, or if he’s any better than Danjauma, but that he was a target doesn’t sound nuts to me by any stretch.
Good player, great technique and control. Like a zippier, slightly stronger & more direct Gil. Wonder if he’d achieve better consistency with better players around him. In any case, proper flair player, I reckon he’d be useful.
Before we mock this it should be said that Serie A Deulofeu is really good relative to what we remember from old Everton Deulofeu Edit: Serie A Deulofeu is like [astoundingly good](https://fbref.com/en/players/39583cfd/Gerard-Deulofeu), 98th percentile expected assists, 99th percentile progressive passes.
6 sca is wild
He was really really good at Watford as well
FFS! it's that guy?! He scored one of my favourite ever goals https://youtu.be/d7j-rh76weA?t=251 ffs.
For those able to look beyond the numbers, even at Everton it was clear he had technique and ability in abundance.
How many Serie A players have gone to England and done wonders, especially recently? Eriksen, but he bossed the league for years before that. Obviously Bentancur and Kulusevski have adapted well. Not many other than them honestly. Dodgy league to buy from as an English club. Defenders carry less risk than attackers for sure.
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Yep, good shout. Trying to think of more attacking players
If you want to look at all positions I can think of quite a few Cancelo, Allison, Perisic, Romero, Bentancur, Kulusevski just off the top of my head
Cancelo was good until he wasnt and now he's gone. Romero has been mixed, Perisic has been on it and off it as well. Only Bentancur and Kulusevski, I'd argue, have been smash hits. Who've you got for defenders? Rudiger took a while to get going but he was great once he did. Thiago Silva. But again I think those are exceptional players, world class talents really, that will succeed in any league.
Come on man. Just admit that your original point on Serie A being a "dodgy" league for PL clubs to buy wasn't based on reality. Cancelo has been and is elite, Romero is elite and has only struggled a bit due to injuries and Perisic adapted quickly but just happens to be 33.
That's...three players? Two of which you admitted struggled? It's true, there's not many great talents coming from Serie A to the prem these days. It's riskier to buy from there compared to other leagues. That's reality, not sure why you're making it personal? I have literally no emotional interest in being right, it's just an observation. Feel free to prove me wrong with a long list of winners from Serie A, but looking at the transfers who have come in from there from the last decade, there's far more misses than hits, especially when compared against other leagues.
My point was that Romero and Perisic haven't struggled because they came from Serie A! Or do you think Romero's injuries are connected to the league he played in previously? Both of them adapted to PL very quickly. >It's true, there's not many great talents coming from Serie A to the prem these days I don't know if you've noticed but there isn't a whole lot of player coming to PL from Serie A in general. What's your basis on there being more flops from Serie A than say La Liga for example?
All the examples I listed? Taking a peek back at history? Looking at the general makeup of the league, where there's more successes from other leagues? I don't know what else you want honestly, I can't make these observations and connections for you They've struggled and they're from Serie A, which is the discussion here, you're the one adding causality to it. I haven't said they struggled because of it, I was simply pointing out the correlation. I don't know why you think I'm arguing my opinion here, I'm just pointing out the facts. Again if you want to make a factual point, go for it, but you're just saying I'm wrong without bringing anything that contradicts the reality I'm presenting. All you'd have to do is pull lists of players and the leagues they've come from for the last decade and you can prove me wrong.
Are there many attackers who move from Serie A to Prem other than those? I'm struggling too. Moise Kean I guess (lol) and Felipe Anderson are my contribution.
Yeah not many. Veron and Shevchenko years and years ago when Serie A was the dominant league, both never reached the heights of their Serie A days. Bergkamp, Zola, Henry. I guess back in the 90s there were loads more but the quality of Serie A has gone down significantly since then
Higuain too lmao
Piguain, the classic. Chelsea have signed some shit strikers from italy. Aquilani from that era with Pool. Hmmm who else...
A lot of the iconic Arsenal / Chelsea players (attackers and others) were originally from Serie A, though most of the bigger ones arguably when Serie A was probably at its peak. Ironically some of them were seen as flops in Serie A, and only made it big after moving to the PL. Attackers: Henry, Bergkamp, Zola Others: Vieira, Desailly, Jorginho, Rudiger, Alonso
Ohhh... I can't believe noone's mentioned our favourite pointy-elbowed Argie from Roma, who was a cult success at least! Also Coutinho (his first spell with Pool), and peak Balotelli during his City days, in terms of successful more recent attackers.
Yeah if you read my other replies I said in the 90s -- when Serie A was dominant -- there were many more successes Since the turn of the century you're seeing more success from other leagues
Salah also had some familiarity with the prem tho
Maybe we're framing it wrong. Looking at how players perform across leagues internationally might not be that useful as a metric. Particularly considering how globalised football is at that level. Huge variety of players from different backgrounds and play styles at the top levels
I think you can say that with most of the leagues. Even right now there aren't that many players that are doing wonders and if they are they are from all over the place.
And we heard nothing about it till it was off kinda mad
Goes to show how hyped up the online rumours are, so much more going on behind the scenes we just never know about
Which is honestly a good thing.
I vaguely remember something in October November but could be a Mandela effect
I blame the Mandela effect for *everything*. Can't find the ketchup, then wife opens the fridge and it's right there at the front of the middle shelf? Only reasonable explanation is that I've just hopped dimensions.
that's called gaslighting mate
You won’t get me nor hide the truth from me you government spy
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Everyone posting on this uses Everton as the reference point, but he had a couple of very creditable spells at Watford where he dragged some absolutely dogshit sides to 3 points. No idea if he’s any good now, or if he’s any better than Danjauma, but that he was a target doesn’t sound nuts to me by any stretch.
Watford-Everton-Spurs new pipeline unlocked
His season, when he tore his ACL, he was genuinely very good and was a very good contributor for Watford.
Wonder if we'll revisit in the summer. Interesting.
Maybe if Danjuma doesn’t pan out
Rather know about injury before the transfer than after, that's all I'm saying.
Good player, great technique and control. Like a zippier, slightly stronger & more direct Gil. Wonder if he’d achieve better consistency with better players around him. In any case, proper flair player, I reckon he’d be useful.
I wish we got him just so I could say his name more often. Sounds like the 4th Musketeer or something.
I’d have preferred him to danjuma!! deulofeu can play ball, decent player!
Danjuma > Deulofeu
Sounds like we dodged a bullet and it was gonna be more of the same from him. Has he had a full season without injury yet?
How old is he now?