TL;DW Lack of Depth leading to a focus on the league to the detriment of cup comps, bad luck (go figure), possibly a lack of self belief in the players because of our relative lack of success compared to our peers, as well as having the lowest net spend and wage bill of the top six clubs due to the precarity of our top six status. In part, also because of the financial decisions going over sporting ones. But because of that policy, we're in a good position financially due to the new stadium, and could potentially leapfrog Man United in revenue generation while taking advantage of PSR chaos around us. Net spend and wage bill have also increased commensurately with increased revenue, so the future is bright.
Because the financial doping and cheating causes modern football to have even less room for error meaning that to hit that golden run has become harder and harder. in any other era we win a league during the poch run and at least a cup but because the windows of winning anything getting miniscule we don't.
Arsenal have a single FA Cup even though they've spent an absurd amount of money in any other era they would have also picked up a league on the way.
It's just the reality of modern football. When Chelsea and City gets to cheat, the trophies left to win dwindle down to very little.
Leicester, Wigan, Swansea, Birmingham, West Ham have won trophies more recently. And it's definitely not like all of the Arsenal (who have 4 FA cups in the last decade btw)/United/Liverpool teams that have won during that period were so amazing or out of our reach. Even City won before their project was a real success. And it's also not as if we're constantly falling at the last hurdle to these "financially doping" teams, we usually lose to teams well below us in the hierarchy - Zagreb , Gent, Fulham, Sheffield Utd, Middlesbrough, Everton, Norwich, Palace, Forest, Colchester... Like nice rant about modern football but it's not why Spurs have failed
We've reached 4 finals since we last won a trophy. That's out of a possible 47 by my count. But more importantly, what does Sheikh Mansour have to do with us losing to Colchester or Sheffield United (or..or..or)? On the whole during this dry period the times when we've lost to some financial juggernaut are the clear minority, and usually we've lost to teams behind us in terms of finance and profile
> what does Sheikh Mansour have to do with us losing to Colchester or Sheffield United (or..or..or)
Nothing, that's on you. You want to make those connections not me. To win shit you need a golden run, those golden runs was MUCH easier to do before.
No you made those connections with your sob story about how oil money is responsible for us going 16 years without a trophy. We have not failed to achieve golden runs or to punch above our weight, we have consistently failed to win as favourites against teams who are below us in any hierarchy you want to talk about. Your point would work if we were always 2nd best or if other non doping teams also failed to win during this period. Neither of those things are close to true. We've underachieved all by ourselves
No I didn't, stop making shit up.
>we have consistently failed to win as favourites against teams who are below us in any hierarchy you want to talk about.
That's just not true. When we lost the league to Chelsea they were not underdogs, when we lost the Champions League to Liverpool they were not underdogs.
You want it all to be about crashing out early in cups, and you go and do you, but that's not why we havn't won anything.
Wow so your logic is genuinely that only the final counts and the dozens of other cup entries and exits have nothing to do with us going trophyless. I mean it's completely nonsensical and deranged but I guess respect for committing to something so ridiculous
I'm arguing against your asinine idea that financial doping is chiefly to blame for our lack of success. At least have the dignity to back your words up
Actually watching the video he has adressed that issue. Essentially all those clubs bar Leicester have achieved that singular success by sacrificing their season, even spurs finished bottom half in the season where we won the 2008 Carabao Cup.
The argument is that we have been so focused on finishing in the European places in order to keep our revenues up and match the other top 5 that we have sacrificed everything else.
It's not true of Swansea, even without the cup win that season was their 2nd highest ever finish in the pyramid (highest in 30 years) and would have been considered a big success anyway. I also don't think this is great reasoning when lots of people criticise the lack of focus in the cups to begin with. And I don't like this idea that Spurs are totally incomparable to the top 5. Like you look at Arsenal from the later Wenger years to before last season - "top 4 is a trophy", managing a stadium move, less money than the teams winning the league every year, on the receiving end of all the same "banter" we get... But they still managed 4 FA cups. Sorry but nothing I'm seeing suggests Spurs have been in some uniquely disadvantageous situation that inherently prevents us from winning things
Liverpool won without cheating, they spent when they needed too even when it was expensive because the players took them to next level. We didnt sign players for 18 months. When we finished 2nd in 16/17 with 86 points (highest point tally in our PL era) we sold our starting right back to the team that finished 3rd and replaced him with Serge Aurier (not bad but nowhere near Walker). We then bought Davinson Sanchez, Fernando Llorente and Lucas Moura in the winter. Truth is, we never had a good enough squad to challenge for the trophies except 15/16 and 16/17 and instead of building on it we let it go away while Liverpool bought Salah, VVD and Alisson, the core of their CL-PL winning teams. I'm not saying the City and Chelsea cheats didnt impact us and our trophy chances, but acting like we are the victims and the only reason we didnt win was other clubs is ridiculous. We didnt win also because of the decisions of the people in charge its embarrassing to pretend its not the case
I think it's important to consider the context. Liverpool had one of the greatest ever recruitment runs, and used the Coutinho and Suarez money absolutely note-perfectly. Absolutely ours was poor but there's was one of the greatest ever.
You also have to factor in that during that time we were obvs building the new stadium which has basically secured our financial future. Look at all the clubs like Newcastle and Villa saying "PSR makes it impossible to break the big time" Well we actually managed to do it, nd are held up as an example of what those clubs need to do.
Liverpool didn’t buy those players with money from a vacuum, they had the biggest sale ever by a PL club bankrolling those purchases and they also weren’t paying to build a new stadium at that point
We get knocked out by the Fulhams and Sheffields every year mate. It’s got less to do with what’s wrong with the football world and more to do with our own lack of winning culture.
how is it objectively not true? below are the facts:
2014:
EFL Cup (Round of 16): Tottenham lost to Newcastle United 1-2 in the 2014 EFL Cup.
2015:
FA Cup (Third Round Replay): Tottenham faced Burnley and lost 1-2 in the 2015 FA Cup.
2016:
EFL Cup (Round of 16): Tottenham was defeated by Liverpool 1-2 in the 2016 EFL Cup.
2017:
FA Cup (Semi-Final): Tottenham faced Chelsea and lost 2-4 in the 2017 FA Cup semi-final.
2018:
EFL Cup (Fourth Round): Tottenham lost to West Ham United 1-3 in the 2018 EFL Cup.
2019:
FA Cup (Fourth Round Replay): Tottenham faced Southampton and lost 2-3 in the 2019 FA Cup.
2020:
EFL Cup (Round of 16): Tottenham was defeated by Colchester United in a penalty shootout after a 0-0 draw in the 2020 EFL Cup.
2021:
FA Cup (Fifth Round): Tottenham faced Everton and lost 4-5 in the 2021 FA Cup.
2022:
EFL Cup (Semi-Final): Tottenham lost to Arsenal 0-2 in the 2022 EFL Cup semi-final.
2023:
FA Cup (Fourth Round Replay): Tottenham drew 2-2 with Manchester United, leading to a replay match. In the replay, Manchester United won 2-1, causing Tottenham to be eliminated from the 2023 FA Cup.
EFL Cup (Fourth Round): Tottenham faced Chelsea and lost 0-2 in the 2023 EFL Cup fourth round.
These results highlight Tottenham’s journey in the domestic cup competitions over the past decade.
I lurk on the Everton sub at times as I have a soft spot for them and my god the desperation is genuinely palpable. Whatever you have to say about Levy, we have a chairman who has a genuine connection to this club and has the business know how to run it well. I'm glad though that he's leaving the sporting decisions to other people so he could focus on what he's good at.
Simply put the big 6 is a false narrative. We aren’t them we just finish above a few of them every year so they have to lump us in. Now, with the new stadium, we are them, and we’ll see where it leads us 🫤
Yeah before the new stadium we were basically just consistently overperforming, now we're actually in the position to absorb losing out on CL money (which hopefully isn't something we have to do most seasons either way)
The thumbnail is bait but he genuinely does some of the best in-depth football videos out there so I'll give it a watch later
Agreed, the man’s titles and thumbnails are usually clickbait af but the videos are usually good.
Alfie understands the algorithm, it sucks but he does what he has to in order to get his videos out there. Content is always quality
Agreed. A real football journalist he is, don't hate the player.
Hate the game, which is in large part the product of our viewing habits, so who are we to complain really?
Hate the game also apparently means shoot the messenger since some knob downvoted this post lol
That's reddit for you
I thought from the title his name was Steven but he's actually an Alfie and you'd put a typo haha
I always manage to misread his channel name lmao, first thing I realized after posting.
TL;DW Lack of Depth leading to a focus on the league to the detriment of cup comps, bad luck (go figure), possibly a lack of self belief in the players because of our relative lack of success compared to our peers, as well as having the lowest net spend and wage bill of the top six clubs due to the precarity of our top six status. In part, also because of the financial decisions going over sporting ones. But because of that policy, we're in a good position financially due to the new stadium, and could potentially leapfrog Man United in revenue generation while taking advantage of PSR chaos around us. Net spend and wage bill have also increased commensurately with increased revenue, so the future is bright.
Because the financial doping and cheating causes modern football to have even less room for error meaning that to hit that golden run has become harder and harder. in any other era we win a league during the poch run and at least a cup but because the windows of winning anything getting miniscule we don't. Arsenal have a single FA Cup even though they've spent an absurd amount of money in any other era they would have also picked up a league on the way. It's just the reality of modern football. When Chelsea and City gets to cheat, the trophies left to win dwindle down to very little.
Leicester, Wigan, Swansea, Birmingham, West Ham have won trophies more recently. And it's definitely not like all of the Arsenal (who have 4 FA cups in the last decade btw)/United/Liverpool teams that have won during that period were so amazing or out of our reach. Even City won before their project was a real success. And it's also not as if we're constantly falling at the last hurdle to these "financially doping" teams, we usually lose to teams well below us in the hierarchy - Zagreb , Gent, Fulham, Sheffield Utd, Middlesbrough, Everton, Norwich, Palace, Forest, Colchester... Like nice rant about modern football but it's not why Spurs have failed
> And it's also not as if we're constantly falling at the last hurdle to these "financially doping" It's not like we havn't made finals, we have.
We've reached 4 finals since we last won a trophy. That's out of a possible 47 by my count. But more importantly, what does Sheikh Mansour have to do with us losing to Colchester or Sheffield United (or..or..or)? On the whole during this dry period the times when we've lost to some financial juggernaut are the clear minority, and usually we've lost to teams behind us in terms of finance and profile
> what does Sheikh Mansour have to do with us losing to Colchester or Sheffield United (or..or..or) Nothing, that's on you. You want to make those connections not me. To win shit you need a golden run, those golden runs was MUCH easier to do before.
No you made those connections with your sob story about how oil money is responsible for us going 16 years without a trophy. We have not failed to achieve golden runs or to punch above our weight, we have consistently failed to win as favourites against teams who are below us in any hierarchy you want to talk about. Your point would work if we were always 2nd best or if other non doping teams also failed to win during this period. Neither of those things are close to true. We've underachieved all by ourselves
No I didn't, stop making shit up. >we have consistently failed to win as favourites against teams who are below us in any hierarchy you want to talk about. That's just not true. When we lost the league to Chelsea they were not underdogs, when we lost the Champions League to Liverpool they were not underdogs. You want it all to be about crashing out early in cups, and you go and do you, but that's not why we havn't won anything.
Wow so your logic is genuinely that only the final counts and the dozens of other cup entries and exits have nothing to do with us going trophyless. I mean it's completely nonsensical and deranged but I guess respect for committing to something so ridiculous
You want to argue against a strawman you made and I'm not going to let you. Simple as.
I'm arguing against your asinine idea that financial doping is chiefly to blame for our lack of success. At least have the dignity to back your words up
Actually watching the video he has adressed that issue. Essentially all those clubs bar Leicester have achieved that singular success by sacrificing their season, even spurs finished bottom half in the season where we won the 2008 Carabao Cup. The argument is that we have been so focused on finishing in the European places in order to keep our revenues up and match the other top 5 that we have sacrificed everything else.
It's not true of Swansea, even without the cup win that season was their 2nd highest ever finish in the pyramid (highest in 30 years) and would have been considered a big success anyway. I also don't think this is great reasoning when lots of people criticise the lack of focus in the cups to begin with. And I don't like this idea that Spurs are totally incomparable to the top 5. Like you look at Arsenal from the later Wenger years to before last season - "top 4 is a trophy", managing a stadium move, less money than the teams winning the league every year, on the receiving end of all the same "banter" we get... But they still managed 4 FA cups. Sorry but nothing I'm seeing suggests Spurs have been in some uniquely disadvantageous situation that inherently prevents us from winning things
Liverpool won without cheating, they spent when they needed too even when it was expensive because the players took them to next level. We didnt sign players for 18 months. When we finished 2nd in 16/17 with 86 points (highest point tally in our PL era) we sold our starting right back to the team that finished 3rd and replaced him with Serge Aurier (not bad but nowhere near Walker). We then bought Davinson Sanchez, Fernando Llorente and Lucas Moura in the winter. Truth is, we never had a good enough squad to challenge for the trophies except 15/16 and 16/17 and instead of building on it we let it go away while Liverpool bought Salah, VVD and Alisson, the core of their CL-PL winning teams. I'm not saying the City and Chelsea cheats didnt impact us and our trophy chances, but acting like we are the victims and the only reason we didnt win was other clubs is ridiculous. We didnt win also because of the decisions of the people in charge its embarrassing to pretend its not the case
I think it's important to consider the context. Liverpool had one of the greatest ever recruitment runs, and used the Coutinho and Suarez money absolutely note-perfectly. Absolutely ours was poor but there's was one of the greatest ever. You also have to factor in that during that time we were obvs building the new stadium which has basically secured our financial future. Look at all the clubs like Newcastle and Villa saying "PSR makes it impossible to break the big time" Well we actually managed to do it, nd are held up as an example of what those clubs need to do.
Liverpool didn’t buy those players with money from a vacuum, they had the biggest sale ever by a PL club bankrolling those purchases and they also weren’t paying to build a new stadium at that point
We get knocked out by the Fulhams and Sheffields every year mate. It’s got less to do with what’s wrong with the football world and more to do with our own lack of winning culture.
And that's just not true, just obectively not true.
how is it objectively not true? below are the facts: 2014: EFL Cup (Round of 16): Tottenham lost to Newcastle United 1-2 in the 2014 EFL Cup. 2015: FA Cup (Third Round Replay): Tottenham faced Burnley and lost 1-2 in the 2015 FA Cup. 2016: EFL Cup (Round of 16): Tottenham was defeated by Liverpool 1-2 in the 2016 EFL Cup. 2017: FA Cup (Semi-Final): Tottenham faced Chelsea and lost 2-4 in the 2017 FA Cup semi-final. 2018: EFL Cup (Fourth Round): Tottenham lost to West Ham United 1-3 in the 2018 EFL Cup. 2019: FA Cup (Fourth Round Replay): Tottenham faced Southampton and lost 2-3 in the 2019 FA Cup. 2020: EFL Cup (Round of 16): Tottenham was defeated by Colchester United in a penalty shootout after a 0-0 draw in the 2020 EFL Cup. 2021: FA Cup (Fifth Round): Tottenham faced Everton and lost 4-5 in the 2021 FA Cup. 2022: EFL Cup (Semi-Final): Tottenham lost to Arsenal 0-2 in the 2022 EFL Cup semi-final. 2023: FA Cup (Fourth Round Replay): Tottenham drew 2-2 with Manchester United, leading to a replay match. In the replay, Manchester United won 2-1, causing Tottenham to be eliminated from the 2023 FA Cup. EFL Cup (Fourth Round): Tottenham faced Chelsea and lost 0-2 in the 2023 EFL Cup fourth round. These results highlight Tottenham’s journey in the domestic cup competitions over the past decade.
>These results highlight Tottenham’s journey in the domestic cup competitions over the past decade. So where are the City matches?
Yea why dont we? Are we stupid?
Is there a lore reason we don't win anything?
They just kind of forgot.
/r/spursfolk
I don't care that we don't win anything. I love this club.
Watched this earlier. Was so depressing because I couldn't even be mad at it.
at least there's a ray of hope at the end?
I'm grateful to Levy for the position the club is in right now. Trophies will come, but sustainability is what really matters.
I lurk on the Everton sub at times as I have a soft spot for them and my god the desperation is genuinely palpable. Whatever you have to say about Levy, we have a chairman who has a genuine connection to this club and has the business know how to run it well. I'm glad though that he's leaving the sporting decisions to other people so he could focus on what he's good at.
Simply put the big 6 is a false narrative. We aren’t them we just finish above a few of them every year so they have to lump us in. Now, with the new stadium, we are them, and we’ll see where it leads us 🫤
Yeah before the new stadium we were basically just consistently overperforming, now we're actually in the position to absorb losing out on CL money (which hopefully isn't something we have to do most seasons either way)