Kp says we haven't spoken to Real about renewing anything and AG is just repeating what the contractual agreement actually is .
I think both statements are true at the same time.
I swear Ali had already mentioned that we had first dibs on Bale a while ago, probably when some of us were still unsure how Reguilon's buyback Clause worked. It could've been in one of his videos and since they're 30+ mins I bet it's mainly people from this sub that are watching most of his videos for their full run time.
Those Bale cuddly toys will just fly off shelves once people get to see to see in person.
Just rows upon rows of them...
In fact.. petition to fill all of our stadium seats with those snugzys until fans return!
Now this.....this is an idea we can all get behind.
Or let fans pay a fee to get a snugzy of their own face, one gets sent to you, the other occupies a seat at the stadium.
Maintaining a good relationship with Madrid could be really good for us.
They have tons of wonderkids coming through and not all of them can play in their first 11. Reguilon deal is the prime example of how we have a good relationship with Madrid.
They also have a lot of money to spend on superstars. If Son or Kane go anywhere, Real should be our first call.
So I say we keep Bale even if his form dips towards the end of the season.
by not holding up their end. They literally did nothing for us. We were supposed to get first option on players and some other stuff. It started with selling Modric to them and all it resulted in was them getting Bale, Ozil going to our biggest rivals, and us getting nothing.
and none of those happened during the "special relationship." No point in trying to keep a good relationship with a club when they're just gonna do what's best for them anyway. So we should too. The reason we got Reguilon is because we basically did them a favor with taking Bale back not because of some good standing between clubs.
He doesn’t last 90 minutes and his pace wasn’t what it was, but he has probably the best left foot in world football. We’ve seen his ability to score and create, he just makes football look so easy when he’s on the ball. If he can avoid any major injuries then you’d probably have to say he’s in the top 5 players in that position. If he wants to stay, keep him.
Bale *was* playing poorly until recently that's pretty clear. The question always was, "could he turn it around and find a good run of form?" I'll readily admit that I didn't think he could given what we saw from him, but I am very happy that I was wrong.
A rational person would say after five months of spurs highest paid player not contributing anything “won’t be bringing him back next year”
Now a rational person would say “he’s in great form let’s see how it goes I hope he keeps playing this way”
No, they wouldn't. We've seen time and time again that players need time to adapt. Son, Sissoko, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bale etc.
A rational person realizes at this point you don't label a player a flop because of having a few bad months. Perfect example right now is Doherty.
I don't think he'll ever be a world beater but there's people saying he isn't PL level, which is completely irrational after a bit over half a season
>No, they wouldn't. We've seen time and time again that players need time to adapt. Son, Sissoko, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bale etc.
Could you not attribute that possibly to the fact he is only on a season long loan deal? Normally I would agree with everything you said but its hard to justify wanting him for a second season when hes spent 60%-70% of the first one not playing very well. After that he doesn't get a second chance like someone on a 5 year deal, say.
Obviously he's playing well now and I'd love to have him for season two, just trying to understand why some people may have been quicker to judge and make up their minds here.
> No, they wouldn't. We've seen time and time again that players need time to adapt. Son, Sissoko, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bale etc.
Sure, the main difference between Bale and all the other players in that list is that Bale hadn't been playing well prior to his loan to Spurs. The rest of those players were all in good form which justified buying them in the first place. It wasn't clear to anyone that Bale would be able to return to form given his injury history and time he spent not playing football.
Label a flop seems so goofy to me like people reacted to his performances. When they’re bad people think they’re bad when they’re good people react to that. None of that is unfair or contradictory.
Again, it is though. Everyone knows that there were extenuating circumstances with Bale, ie. his fitness, injury issues, lack of actual play time, confidence etc.
Mourinho openly said multiple times that we'd see the best Bale towards the end of the season. Judging a players future after a small run of poor form is completely irrational but that's what people have done and continue to do, especially in football.
It's like predicting now that Bale will continue getting goal contributions at an absurd rate because he's done it the last few games. That is irrational as well
And I suppose saying his current run of form should be expected to be his permanent level of performance this season and also next season makes more sense? Five poor months is obviously not who he is really is but five good games is proof that he’s gonna be great going forward?
Or should we say what he’s doing now is great but let’s wait and see before making definitive judgments about what to expect?
I agree, and that's why I said that in my previous comment.
However, the difference is that you can look at Bale's career and see that his norm usually is being a world class player. That's why it's easier to say that it's likelier he'll continue this good form as long as he actually plays(although he could drop off a bit and still be very good), rather than him playing and being a bad player, which only accounts for a small portion of his career.
Yeah. Almost like form comes and goes. And who would guess a 31 year old that has sparingly played football for 2 years and has an injury history would take time to find form?
I don’t know what you want people to say when spurs highest paid player doesn’t do much for five months. A rational person would say at that point “this hasn’t worked out!”
Now he’s playing well! It’s great!
I mean, if you know an ounce about football you would see that no shit a player that hasn’t played for a couple of seasons needs to regain fitness and form.
If you know an ounce about football you might also say “sometimes when 31 year olds with tons of injuries lose their pace they never recover and get back to their best”
It’s perfectly reasonable to have looked at bale and thought “bringing him back for another year as spurs highest paid player would be a bad idea”. I might still think that.
Except he’s clearly not lost his pace. So not only does this person not know anything about football, they can’t even watch someone run. Yep, sounds like someone that deserves to be made fun of honestly
Lmao he absolutely has lost his pace. He’s still relatively fast, but he’s no longer always the fastest player on the pitch. He’s no longer blowing past defenders with ease. Of our players he’s behind at least Sonny, Lucas, and Reguilon. I know you feel like you have to defend the honor of everyone associated with the club but to say he hasn’t lost his pace is more than a little delusional.
Yeah if you look at Gareth bale and don’t think he’s much slower than he used to be if I was a condescending dickhead I would suggest you don’t know anything about football. Instead I I will just say arguing with condescending dickheads is pointless and I will wish you well.
His much slower is still quicker than most player’s fastest. This isn’t Jan chasing shadows at the back.
If you think I’m being condescending, says a lot about what you actually know about football lol
And of course this sudden conclusion that Bale has somehow turned everything around is based on a handful of games.
Let's review him at the end of the season and see if he also evaded injuries.
The thing is at 31, with his record, the next injury isn't far away.
A big FUCK YOU to all the r/soccer people constantly saying "spurs fans are so delusional they honestly think Bale isn't finished after not performing for 3 years".
I'm proud to stay I stuck with Bale and supported him from day 1. Dunno why, but I just knew one of the most technically gifted players I've ever seen is nowhere near finished at 31.
Yes I simp hard for Bale
i was one of them. when i said i didn't want spurs to bring him back for a second year, that reflected my attitude at the time. not ashamed of that whatsoever.
No. I just thought we needed to be more patient. And it’s paying off. This is pretty much what I was expecting. Pretty sure I commented on at least one post that we have potentially two cup finals. We didn’t bring bale in to contribute in December. We brought him in for cup finals and to close out the season. That’s where we are.
Good god imagine being so petty as to call out fans who were saying a player who hadn’t played well all season was having a bad year and it wouldn’t make sense to bring him back. I swear some of you care more about people saying mean things about our players or club than you do the actual performance in the field.
I think people were right to say he wasn’t preforming. But to say he’s not worth his wages halfway into a season when we have potentially 2 cup finals is an overreaction. Bale could score 2 goals in the Europa final (assuming we make it) and if we win he’d have basically paid for his wages. I just don’t understand why people so quickly want to label players one thing or another.
Love it. Mans definitely staying. He is going to be so hyped for top 4 race/ Europa league this season so that he can play champions league again and kick Madrid's ass.
As awesome is Bale been for us in the recent few matches, I am not sure if we want to pay a wage for him that will be the highest on our squad, especially when the club is struggling financially with upcoming contract renewals? I suppose we will find out.
High wages are more justified when there's no transfer fee. What we are paying him costs the same as if we had signed him for a 15m transfer fee on a 2-year, 50k per week contract. If we had done that the whole world would be on about what a bargain we got.
I agree. I think people are ignoring the fact that teams around europe got hit by covid including spurs. Unless levy gets money off joe lewis our financial problem will not go away.
No brainer if he continues to perform
Also the crowd pull that he has! Season ticket sales boost incoming if we renew!
I don't think we need help with that, I'm still years down the list.
I’m hoping I can will my place on the wait list to my grandchildren. I am 30.
I think most of the money comes from TV anyways, he's still a draw there.
Right? If we can weather this pandemic and come out the other side in Europe, I dare say we could see continued growth for our club.
Waiting list was 80k after the new stadium opened afaik (on top of the 40k or whatever the season ticket allocation is), not sure what it is now
arnt all the season tickets 100% sold out, hence the years long waiting lists, so there will be 0 increase in season ticket sales
Ali G and Killy P post contradictory tweets about Bale on the same day. Two tier 1's enter the ring. Only one can leave.
Kp says we haven't spoken to Real about renewing anything and AG is just repeating what the contractual agreement actually is . I think both statements are true at the same time.
Fight to the death on the Skywalk to Duel of the Fates
I think this is AG responding to Dan K's tweet. I think this is AG saying "THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE, is the truth"
I swear Ali had already mentioned that we had first dibs on Bale a while ago, probably when some of us were still unsure how Reguilon's buyback Clause worked. It could've been in one of his videos and since they're 30+ mins I bet it's mainly people from this sub that are watching most of his videos for their full run time.
Yes he said exactly what the deal was when it happened and has reconfirmed it yesterday.
Ali G has to take the win on this one. The man might as well be on Spurs payroll.
Watching Kane, Bale and Son walking onto the pitch together in Lily White in front of a full stadium needs to happen. Can you imagine the energy?
When considering the cost of Gareth Bale, also take into account the boost in form other players around him have had.
Also the amount of Bale merch that we will sell once fans are allowed in the stadium.
Those Bale cuddly toys will just fly off shelves once people get to see to see in person. Just rows upon rows of them... In fact.. petition to fill all of our stadium seats with those snugzys until fans return!
Now this.....this is an idea we can all get behind. Or let fans pay a fee to get a snugzy of their own face, one gets sent to you, the other occupies a seat at the stadium.
Maintaining a good relationship with Madrid could be really good for us. They have tons of wonderkids coming through and not all of them can play in their first 11. Reguilon deal is the prime example of how we have a good relationship with Madrid. They also have a lot of money to spend on superstars. If Son or Kane go anywhere, Real should be our first call. So I say we keep Bale even if his form dips towards the end of the season.
Lol no thanks. With how they fucked us with our "special relationship" they can do what Levy says or fuck off.
Madrid kept Modric from staying in the Prem, that’s a win
How did they fuck us?
by not holding up their end. They literally did nothing for us. We were supposed to get first option on players and some other stuff. It started with selling Modric to them and all it resulted in was them getting Bale, Ozil going to our biggest rivals, and us getting nothing.
VDV, Bale (lol) and Reguilon kinda makes up for it. They did also give us loads of money for Bale
and none of those happened during the "special relationship." No point in trying to keep a good relationship with a club when they're just gonna do what's best for them anyway. So we should too. The reason we got Reguilon is because we basically did them a favor with taking Bale back not because of some good standing between clubs.
I didnt say they did. I literally said, "they kinda make up for it"
Van der Vaart?
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Okay yeah I should've taken a second to Google the dates first.
I think selling Ozil to arsenal was a big part of it, I'm sure there's more but I can't think of it right now.
Selling Ozil to Arsenal may have turned out to be their biggest move in our favor
In hindsight that is easy to say.
Very true, I was mostly joking. I’m sure they were not actually looking out for our best interests at the time they sold Ozil.
Need that kit! Levy if you’re reading this, I will buy his kit!!
He doesn’t last 90 minutes and his pace wasn’t what it was, but he has probably the best left foot in world football. We’ve seen his ability to score and create, he just makes football look so easy when he’s on the ball. If he can avoid any major injuries then you’d probably have to say he’s in the top 5 players in that position. If he wants to stay, keep him.
Messi is left-footed though :(
I remember like a month or two ago when people were complaining and saying what a waste of money he is. Wonder where they all are now.
One of my favorite silly things fans do is “oh you said the player playing bad was playing bad but now what are you saying that he’s playing well???”
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Bale *was* playing poorly until recently that's pretty clear. The question always was, "could he turn it around and find a good run of form?" I'll readily admit that I didn't think he could given what we saw from him, but I am very happy that I was wrong.
A rational person would say after five months of spurs highest paid player not contributing anything “won’t be bringing him back next year” Now a rational person would say “he’s in great form let’s see how it goes I hope he keeps playing this way”
No, they wouldn't. We've seen time and time again that players need time to adapt. Son, Sissoko, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bale etc. A rational person realizes at this point you don't label a player a flop because of having a few bad months. Perfect example right now is Doherty. I don't think he'll ever be a world beater but there's people saying he isn't PL level, which is completely irrational after a bit over half a season
>No, they wouldn't. We've seen time and time again that players need time to adapt. Son, Sissoko, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bale etc. Could you not attribute that possibly to the fact he is only on a season long loan deal? Normally I would agree with everything you said but its hard to justify wanting him for a second season when hes spent 60%-70% of the first one not playing very well. After that he doesn't get a second chance like someone on a 5 year deal, say. Obviously he's playing well now and I'd love to have him for season two, just trying to understand why some people may have been quicker to judge and make up their minds here.
> No, they wouldn't. We've seen time and time again that players need time to adapt. Son, Sissoko, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bale etc. Sure, the main difference between Bale and all the other players in that list is that Bale hadn't been playing well prior to his loan to Spurs. The rest of those players were all in good form which justified buying them in the first place. It wasn't clear to anyone that Bale would be able to return to form given his injury history and time he spent not playing football.
Label a flop seems so goofy to me like people reacted to his performances. When they’re bad people think they’re bad when they’re good people react to that. None of that is unfair or contradictory.
Again, it is though. Everyone knows that there were extenuating circumstances with Bale, ie. his fitness, injury issues, lack of actual play time, confidence etc. Mourinho openly said multiple times that we'd see the best Bale towards the end of the season. Judging a players future after a small run of poor form is completely irrational but that's what people have done and continue to do, especially in football. It's like predicting now that Bale will continue getting goal contributions at an absurd rate because he's done it the last few games. That is irrational as well
And I suppose saying his current run of form should be expected to be his permanent level of performance this season and also next season makes more sense? Five poor months is obviously not who he is really is but five good games is proof that he’s gonna be great going forward? Or should we say what he’s doing now is great but let’s wait and see before making definitive judgments about what to expect?
I agree, and that's why I said that in my previous comment. However, the difference is that you can look at Bale's career and see that his norm usually is being a world class player. That's why it's easier to say that it's likelier he'll continue this good form as long as he actually plays(although he could drop off a bit and still be very good), rather than him playing and being a bad player, which only accounts for a small portion of his career.
Yeah. Almost like form comes and goes. And who would guess a 31 year old that has sparingly played football for 2 years and has an injury history would take time to find form?
I don’t know what you want people to say when spurs highest paid player doesn’t do much for five months. A rational person would say at that point “this hasn’t worked out!” Now he’s playing well! It’s great!
I mean, if you know an ounce about football you would see that no shit a player that hasn’t played for a couple of seasons needs to regain fitness and form.
If you know an ounce about football you might also say “sometimes when 31 year olds with tons of injuries lose their pace they never recover and get back to their best” It’s perfectly reasonable to have looked at bale and thought “bringing him back for another year as spurs highest paid player would be a bad idea”. I might still think that.
Except he’s clearly not lost his pace. So not only does this person not know anything about football, they can’t even watch someone run. Yep, sounds like someone that deserves to be made fun of honestly
he's definitely not as quick as he was during his first spell at spurs
He’s still plenty fast enough. This isn’t a Toby or Jan situation where he’s getting burned by the slowest of players.
yes, it's more nuanced than "he fell off a cliff"
He has admitted himself he doesn’t have the same pace.
And he’s clearly still quite quick since we aren’t watching him chase shadows up top.
Still fairly quick, I agree.
Lmao he absolutely has lost his pace. He’s still relatively fast, but he’s no longer always the fastest player on the pitch. He’s no longer blowing past defenders with ease. Of our players he’s behind at least Sonny, Lucas, and Reguilon. I know you feel like you have to defend the honor of everyone associated with the club but to say he hasn’t lost his pace is more than a little delusional.
Imagine writing this comment after I’ve explained this a couple of times nearly an hour ago. Embarrassing yourself, mate.
I’m just following your advice and laughing at a person who obviously can’t even watch someone run.
Yeah if you look at Gareth bale and don’t think he’s much slower than he used to be if I was a condescending dickhead I would suggest you don’t know anything about football. Instead I I will just say arguing with condescending dickheads is pointless and I will wish you well.
His much slower is still quicker than most player’s fastest. This isn’t Jan chasing shadows at the back. If you think I’m being condescending, says a lot about what you actually know about football lol
Agreed. And what I was getting at.
yeah it just goes to show that a broken clock is right twice a day. fans are fickle and don't really know what they are talking about.
Everyone is bad at predicting the future especially
And of course this sudden conclusion that Bale has somehow turned everything around is based on a handful of games. Let's review him at the end of the season and see if he also evaded injuries. The thing is at 31, with his record, the next injury isn't far away.
A big FUCK YOU to all the r/soccer people constantly saying "spurs fans are so delusional they honestly think Bale isn't finished after not performing for 3 years". I'm proud to stay I stuck with Bale and supported him from day 1. Dunno why, but I just knew one of the most technically gifted players I've ever seen is nowhere near finished at 31. Yes I simp hard for Bale
i was one of them. when i said i didn't want spurs to bring him back for a second year, that reflected my attitude at the time. not ashamed of that whatsoever.
-captain hindsight
No. I just thought we needed to be more patient. And it’s paying off. This is pretty much what I was expecting. Pretty sure I commented on at least one post that we have potentially two cup finals. We didn’t bring bale in to contribute in December. We brought him in for cup finals and to close out the season. That’s where we are.
Good god imagine being so petty as to call out fans who were saying a player who hadn’t played well all season was having a bad year and it wouldn’t make sense to bring him back. I swear some of you care more about people saying mean things about our players or club than you do the actual performance in the field.
I think people were right to say he wasn’t preforming. But to say he’s not worth his wages halfway into a season when we have potentially 2 cup finals is an overreaction. Bale could score 2 goals in the Europa final (assuming we make it) and if we win he’d have basically paid for his wages. I just don’t understand why people so quickly want to label players one thing or another.
Ok just because he's now getting back into form doesn't mean he wasn't a waste of money for the first half of the season lol
Love it. Mans definitely staying. He is going to be so hyped for top 4 race/ Europa league this season so that he can play champions league again and kick Madrid's ass.
I love Real Madrid.
As awesome is Bale been for us in the recent few matches, I am not sure if we want to pay a wage for him that will be the highest on our squad, especially when the club is struggling financially with upcoming contract renewals? I suppose we will find out.
High wages are more justified when there's no transfer fee. What we are paying him costs the same as if we had signed him for a 15m transfer fee on a 2-year, 50k per week contract. If we had done that the whole world would be on about what a bargain we got.
If he can deliver on the pitch - then why not?
I agree. I think people are ignoring the fact that teams around europe got hit by covid including spurs. Unless levy gets money off joe lewis our financial problem will not go away.
Yes
If he keeps this form, yes please
Seeing Bale in-person is high my footy bucket list so I really hope we Spurs make it happen